The Seven Forging Moments All Men Experience Part 1 | Episode 154

In this episode, Cartwright and Bo explore the concept of forging environments in men's lives, emphasizing how challenges, adversity, and hard work shape character and purpose. They share personal insights, biblical examples, and practical ways to embrace life's difficulties as opportunities for growth. 

Key  topics

7 Forging environments in men's lives
Biblical examples of adversity and growth
The role of hard work and obscurity
The significance of wilderness seasons
Endurance and character development

Sound bites

"Many are called but few are chosen."
"Without struggle, there's no progress."
"King David was hunted despite his loyalty."

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Life's Chaos
03:02 Forging Moments in Life
05:42 7 Forging Pillars
09:11 The Wilderness Experience
17:51 Hard Work and Obscurity
25:17 Adversity
35:49 Romans 5 - Endure

Resources

Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
Bible - Examples of Wilderness Seasons - https://www.biblegateway.com/
Romans 5:3-4 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+5%3A3-4&version=NIV

Transcript

Anyway.

Lord help us. So I'm sure a lot of y'all out there just dealing with the chaos of life sometimes and it's like, all right, how do I ground myself in something? So today we're going to talk a little bit about that. Talk about some forging. You know, there's several ways to say it's forging environments, events, or even just, mean, sometimes just calling the forging pillars in life. I there's seven of them.

Cartwright Morris (02:01.678)
I don't know if we want to go one by one or just dump them all out. Well, I mean, I just kind of like, I guess we didn't really have this planned, but I was sitting here. You've got it on your desk, and I was looking at it. And I love it. It's a,

I mean we were talking about it before and we'll go into more detail but it's like common areas in men's lives it looks like where it's like you know you deal with failure or brotherhood or you know anything on this lesson I know you'll get to but you have somebody in Scripture that dealt with it too. yeah. And then

you know you can think back to your past and say okay I've kind of dealt with this before anyway that's what I really like about it and so this kind of came about because I was asking Cartwright these questions before we hit record and we were like well maybe this would be a good episode so yeah can you tell us more about this I really want to learn yeah well I think

And whole premise of this show, is the man you want to become is through the challenges you embrace. I think a lot of us as men, one, think we've it, I've said it two ways before, it's like there's the challenges to come that we want to prepare men for so that they can fully embrace it and not try to avoid it or look around because it's going to happen.

reflective nature of this podcast where I want men to look back and go, you've already been through a lot, forging moments in your life, things that have humbled you, broke you down, built you up, that have really forged you in the man you are today. You just really haven't looked back, taken the time to reflect and gone, okay, God brought me through that. God took me through this adversity, the loss of this parent or, you know,

Cartwright Morris (04:07.941)
You know, I really, it was a hard season, three years in my job where I was working 10, 12 hour days and I just needed to, or, you know, for me, like, you know, it was, I didn't meet my wife until I was 36, you know, dealing with being single for that long and every one your friends is starting to have kids and build careers and, you know, like there's just so much in our life and there's, you know, and there's seven of them, seven ways we can look at it. But it's always, I think I try to really

reiterate it's like you're not going through any of that for nothing. Something is being forged in you. Are you willing to embrace that? Are you willing to just wrap your arms around it little bit and really that...

And I think some of the language I'm really kind of put to it, I think I had this note of life challenges allow us to bridge our faith to our purpose. There's like, we go to Bible study, we go to church, we hear all the scriptures and we learn more and it's like, man, it's really good and sometimes it's really encouraging and sometimes it's needed, sometimes it just feels like, you know, in one ear at the other, but it's like all of that is really shaping, is like, is God really honing in, okay.

One, defining who He is for us and we understand more about the nature of God and the power and the beauty and love of God. One, two, and then it's like out of that, like who am I in Him? But ultimately, no, I shouldn't say ultimately because I think our purpose has to step out of our identity.

Cartwright Morris (05:47.597)
But like ultimately it's like, all right, then now why am I here? So I think that it, you know, by understanding that, and if you won't get, you won't really be grounded in those three things, who God is, who I am, why am I here on this earth until you really been through something? Yeah. Do you really get punched in the face? You know? it's just like the, that old, mean, think I, the other day I listened to that, short that, you know, from one of our earlier episodes of just like, can somebody truly

be a high person of character or even a purpose, you know, if they let, you know, had an easy life. The answer's probably no. I was gonna say probably, it is like, yeah, you get, know, so yeah, it could be just a way to tee up. Yeah. It's, it's, it's almost like the verse, I think it's in second Corinthians, two Corinthians.

You know, many are called but few are chosen.

And I've heard some might put it like this way and I think it's a great way to say it. And I've never really understood it versus somebody that's like, many, it's almost like walking into a classroom and walking in a room and someone, you know, says, all right, who's coming? It's not going to be easy, but hey, I it's going to be worth it. So everybody in the room is called, but few are chosen. The ones who raise their hand say I'll do it. And I think that's the, think that's what we're trying to say when men are forged. It's like, Hey, you know, are you willing to be chosen in this? Put your hand up and go, all right, I'm willing to

go through that. To come out the other side wiser, of value to others, stronger, more purposeful, more intentional. But yeah, we just got to... It's like that this so this is already happened. So I just want to encourage that there are listeners is like this is already happening to you right now. Are you willing to embrace it or are you feeling that discomfort, that tension and just...

Cartwright Morris (07:49.961)
doing about it or you're trying to blame somebody else or are you actually listening to...

the Holy Spirit and what he's saying and what he's trying to teach you. Yeah, that's what I like about it. I like about it that it's not... this is not a... I guess we could call it a course, right? I mean, it's kind of like the... Yeah. These... It's becoming one. Yeah, it's becoming a course. Like the seven forging environments is what this thing is called. It's not... the purpose is not to teach you how to work around these things. It's to teach you, this is what you're actually going through. Yeah.

is how you get through it and learn through it. Yeah. Instead of like... yourself for it. I feel like a lot of stuff these days like you're it's always teaching you like how to avoid the... Yeah what's the easy button? What's the easy button? Yeah. You know? And you know I don't want to you know dismiss some of that right? I think you know a lot of...

great technology and things have come out of people going, hey, we could do this much simpler or much easier. But you still got to do it. It's like, you know, even like, you know, something you've done is building a website. It's like that's gotten much easier these days in the last 10 years. For sure. Much easier to do. But you still got, you know, you still got work to do and put things in place and, know, anyone.

Yeah, well maybe so what I'd like to do I'd like to kind of ask you maybe we'll get through one two three of these maybe and then yeah, yeah But I want to ask you about At least the first two maybe three the first one being the wilderness. man. So this is I really can't write notes But God often forms men away from comfort and crowds

Cartwright Morris (09:46.663)
is really good because it's similar to Joseph Campbell, Hero's Journey, you know what that one is? Story brand by Donald Miller, he bases his whole branding system off of that. We need a hero, a guide, a story, you know all that. That's how we help, we sell others as we become the guide in their story. Anyway.

but that, you know, anybody who Joseph Campbell, the hero's journey, there's the call and then there is the, oh man, I'm blanking on the next phase, but it's like stepping away from the normal, stepping away from comfort, you know, and I can even say this, could, and it's not always, as,

Simple as leaving your yes, like one of it is called leaving your hometown like you see in Joseph Campbell based his whole theory off of Literature fiction novels and even the Bible like you saw Joseph. I mean Moses. I think Moses in here. He had to leave you know, he was the prince in the palace and then You know, then he had to step away in the wilderness for 40 years Yeah as a shepherd, right you left the comfort of palace and went in the wilderness you see this throughout scripture

You see this throughout, you know, stories and history. You know, I've mentioned Lord of the Rings, know, this like Frodo leaving the Shire. Nerd. You know? Do we get really nerdy?

Luke Skywalker is another one. Anyway, you can see this, because it's a human thing. I think God, when He calls us, He pulls us out of our normal so that we gain perspective, understanding, clarity. And for me, I left Birmingham and moved to California. I 26, in the middle of the wilderness.

Cartwright Morris (11:48.527)
I ran a lot of Southerners, anybody who's been to J. Tranche, but I was 26 with a bunch of 19, 20 year olds. I a maintenance guy and no one knew me from Adam. They didn't know my last name, they didn't know who my parents were. They didn't care what fraternity I was in, all that. I had to leave some of those normals to really start discovering who I am. Like I have in my notes sometimes. some of it's like a...

You can say isolation, it's not necessarily isolation, but adventure or wilderness or stepping out from the normal forces a man to confront who he is, what he believes and what he fears. So when we remove those distractions, those unknowns, we can really kind of start breaking things down. When I'm not constantly in my normal comforts, I don't have the constant pull to like...

pull me out like away from those thought processes of what really matters to me. You know, and I don't think it's necessarily a physical thing we have to leave your normal, but I think you do have to like, you know, so you think there's a way to do that without.

like guys in their 20s and 30s that are listening to this that, you know, maybe married, maybe even had kids. What would be a way they could do that? I think for some people it could be just, Hey, I need to leave my nine to five job. And that, that comfort, that could be it. Not saying that's what everybody needs to do. It needs to be, it could be, Hey, I need to probably, um, stop buying alcohol. mean, I remember I had lunch with a guy.

It was a while back, but he was like, yeah, I just sort of realized that I was, know, before dinner, drink, make me a glass of whiskey and pound that and then have one or two in the middle of dinner and then.

Cartwright Morris (13:45.187)
You then have one before bed. And I was like, you know, I, you know, just that comfort of like, it's like, Hey, I don't think I was an alcoholic, but that's what I was doing. I was, I was acting like one. And it's just, and then it was like, had to completely just get alcohol out of my house. comfort, right? That kind of stuff. Like, Hey, you know, I was, it was, I was disconnecting from family. I wasn't sleeping as well. Right. You get kind of, you detached from that stuff sometimes and it can bring clarity. It doesn't always have to look

like leaving your own town, right? Cause you're, you know, there's a lot of the guys married kids and you can't really do that. but yeah, I think it's all looks different, all within our relationship with God. I sometimes I really love this kind of stuff because it's bring clarity and,

reflection, hopefully, to some of y'all. But it's not a one-size-fits-all. There's no formula that I'm trying to give here. But I think you got to do it within your relationship with God, but I hope this gives a saying quit your job. No. No, I'm not saying that. Some of y'all, maybe it is. Maybe it really is. I mean, granted, if you got wife and kids, wait until you got something else. Yeah, yeah. I think there is something in, yeah, it looks different from all of us. And I hope this gives a framework.

But that's what I needed to do.

Yeah, I think probably like with this course, mean, I think that like I'm already having ideas of what that could mean for me. I mean, I feel like when you hear this, you know, you know what it means, like what I can isolate myself from, not necessarily isolate myself from my family or my kid or anything. I'm not going to say, Hey, I need to take a trip for a month. but it's, you know, Hey, maybe at night, read a book instead of being glued to whatever it is on TV or, just kind of get out of your,

Cartwright Morris (15:34.433)
Get out of your normal routines in a way that require you to focus more on God or what you need to

Maybe shed in your life. Is that somewhat? Yeah, I think just chat challenging your Everyday thought processes and allowing yourself to really what it is it grounds you and digs deeper into really what you believe about Who you are who God is? And kind of dress some of the bigger stuff of like I keep going these comforts come I'm afraid of something. Yeah, I think that's sometimes it's like hey, we're not willing to confront our fears

It's a really good escape sometimes. Yes. Yeah. It's a really good escape sometimes. Yeah. I'll have something that I'm need to probably deal with. Yeah. And I'll be like, I'll just watch random videos on YouTube. Yeah. You know what I mean for? I'll numb myself out a little bit. Numb yourself out. Yeah. Yeah. I totally, I totally get that. Another example too, I was thinking of...

We've got Moses on here. Obviously David, he spent years hiding in the desert while he was getting chased around by Saul. John the Baptist was in the wilderness. Also, and Jesus spent 40 days in the wilderness fasting right after he got baptized, right? Right before his ministry started. That's what's interesting. He talked about the call.

And then the wilderness phase is like that's what I mean. Well, we see it all throughout scripture and literature. And it's like Jesus had this big moment. You know, this is my son who I'm well pleased. Like this is they say, you know, lot of scholars say this is the beginning of his ministry. This is when it started. And immediately he goes in the wilderness and fast for 40 days. It's like, oh, wow. And didn't Paul kind of do the same thing? Paul, Paul spent a lot of time. Well, three years, they say, after he had his road to Damascus moment, he was off.

Cartwright Morris (17:32.745)
By himself or not by himself, but just away, you know, so it's kind of the rule not really Well, Paul's it Paul's an interesting one because you know he had 30 plus years heading down a path of the complete opposite right? Yeah, let me kill everybody that I think disagrees with me. Yeah, he was that guy so no, especially people that I think are Christians and

You know, and I'm doing it in the name of Lord. So he had to really go, okay, I got to rewire all of this. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, that's really, gosh, it's everywhere in scripture. You know, it's really, I think did Ezekiel do the same thing? Ezekiel was isolated for a while. A lot of the prophets were. I mean, you know, there's a great story in Second Kings of Elijah.

going away and yeah, to tell them to put them down and them to take a nap. Yeah, right. Yeah, get a meal, take a nap. Take a second. I could use some of that in my life. Yeah. Cool. All right. The second one, hard work and obscurity. Before public leadership, many...

biblical figures were formed in ordinary work where no one really noticed. Talk about that.

Yeah, there's something to, mean, know, Zechariah 410, do not despise these small beginnings for Lord rejoices to see the work begin. Yeah, there's something to when I'm doing things in secret out of excellence just for me, you know, there's a, or I'm doing it just purely because I believe God's called me to it. There's something about, hey, I'm just putting my hand in the plow.

Cartwright Morris (19:35.225)
There's been many moments, just you learn so much. I think as young men, You know, those guys in your twenties is like, you know, it's working that muscle, learning to just like, I mean, some of us, that's all we know how to do. And maybe that's a, but there is something too about hard work that you really forms you and shapes you and.

Sometimes it's maybe for me, it found out hard doing it hard work all on my own doesn't amount to much. It's so I just like, need to ask for help. need God's guidance. I need to think about it from a place that where I'm yeah, anyway, it's just a, think there's something about work.

Cartwright Morris (20:29.006)
Yeah, it's almost like God loves to use a moving vessel. I mean, I'm a firm believer in that, that when we're actually going, okay, this is what I know what's in front of me and I'm just going to grinding, God then starts directing that person. And I think that's when we really get shaped and formed. hard work, know, a lot of times when you just go out and work hard, you realize sometimes what not to do. That's why sometimes it could be a forging, I think it's a great forging pillar,

is you just kind of, if you're just sitting on your hands, you don't know. And you kind of, I think in my life, a lot of it is just, I figured out what I wanna do and what I don't wanna do. I think when I went and started my own coaching business and hired these people to help me kind of create a business model and.

use different platforms and present it a certain way and do different things. it's like you kind of by trying a lot of stuff, you realize, that's not what I want my business to look like. I don't want my ministry to look like that. I think it starts shaping. But if I just sat there and waited for the perfect one to come, it wouldn't have happened. So I think that's the...

Yeah, I don't know. There's something about hard work that's just really interesting. mean, we have the story here that David, you know, when Samuel came to anoint, know, David wasn't there. He was working. He was, you know, the youngest. There's still the youngest. He is tending the sheep. You know, a guy sent his prophet to come find him knowing that he was working.

You know, so anyway. What about Joseph? got that example in there too. Yeah. Yeah. Old Testament Joseph. Yeah. Well, the thing about Joseph is he is very, wherever he was, he made it better.

Cartwright Morris (22:35.726)
There's something about that, like, hey, I look at my circumstances, I can easily wallow, complain. He's like, no, I'm just gonna get to work and make the place, wherever I am, I'm gonna make it better. And there's something about that where it's like, all right, that, and then God prepares you then to be number two in Egypt, at the time, the most powerful nation in the world. It's like, okay. So he was using that, putting you in those difficult circumstances to see how you stewarded it.

That's a great example. And then the other great example is Jesus spent the first 30 years of his life being a carpenter. my gosh. Humble carpenter. Yeah, mean, yeah, that's what's wild. Every time I think about that, I think of Luke 2.52 and his mother treasured these times in her heart. There's something about the humble

present nature of Jesus that he's like, yeah, I'm the king of kings, the creator of the universe, but this is what I'm doing. I'm being prepared for that time, and my time is not here. My time, God put me in the charge of these two people, and I'm gonna take up the craft of my earthly father.

Joseph and I'm gonna just do that. Yeah, and I'm gonna be great about it. love to I love the I don't know if we studied this in Bible study or or maybe you and I talked about it, but When when Jesus says his first miracle turning water into wine Mary's the one that comes and tells him to do it

which implies that she had this foreknowledge of him being able to do stuff like that. And so you just thinking that first 30 years of his life, I just would love to know what he did at home. You know, what miracles are like, you know what I mean? I mean, clearly she knew he had this, I don't know if you call it ability or I don't know what the theology is, but like, you he had this ability to do these type things. And, um, cause she just told the server, she was like, just do it every single

Cartwright Morris (24:46.576)
Right, you know and so there must have been stuff happen at home and stuff like that, you know and just the wherewithal of God in man form Going okay, I have the easy button but

Is that really the best model I need? At this moment, my first 30 years, I need to give people. need to give, you you should probably just show them hard work, what it looks like to be excellent at what you do. Probably model rest in that too, When to say no to somebody, when to say, take a project, do something out of kindness instead of just, you but then add value if services are worth it, right? Anyway.

Yeah, God often tests, God often tests, sorry, Raiden good, God often tests whether a man will work with excellence before recognition and drives. Sometimes we work for recognition and it's like, no, we don't need to work hard work, not for recognition, but just hard work, just for hard work sake. about that?

Yeah, I like that a lot. right. The third one is what you hear football coaches always say in their interviews. Face some real adversity tonight, boys. Yeah, we got hit with some adversity in the first half. But anyway, number three is adversity and injustice.

Sorry, I feel like the adversity word is ruined for me now. Really? Just because they always say it. Like it's just always the thing you say in college football, adversity. It really, I just started thinking about that. You made me do Sorry, I ruined it for my own. Same way in the context of like in high school, I thought adversity was that. And now I'm like, that's not adversity. I'm playing a dang game. That's what's so funny about it. Yeah. Like throwing an interception in the first quarter was really adversity. We gotta overcome this.

Cartwright Morris (26:53.424)
But I mean I mean it's just what you say in college football is what you say Anyway, but it's what we say here too. Yeah, because it's number three. Yeah Adversity and justice and I to your point. I totally agree There they've ruined the word because it's not the adversity face

in real life in your 20s and 30s or wherever trying to figure this thing out is a lot different than you your running back fumbling on the first possession of the game so yeah talk about that a little bit yeah yeah well i'll really love this quote from thomas pain i don't think i have in your notes but uh the harder the conflict the more glorious the triumph

What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly. It is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble and that can gather strength from distress and grow." And then here's a Fred LaDouglas quote, if there's no struggle, there's no progress. It's like, yeah, there's something too when we're willing to...

Or how about Mike Tyson? Everybody's got a plan and they get hit, right? It's like, you it's like, you really find out the quality of man you are when you're willing to take a punch and just kinda, when life hits you and you just kinda lean into it a little bit more.

Cartwright Morris (28:31.178)
I yeah. It's just a... I mean, Joseph... man. Being, you know... Yeah. That's a great example of bitter or better, right? Yeah, I mean he... Yeah. I he had every excuse to hone it in, didn't he? Yeah. After being sold by his brothers and... Being betrayed by Potter's wife and...

Yeah, or like the other example you have is King David being hunted down by Saul even though he was so loyal. the opportunity to kill him. Didn't do it. I think when Saul died, think David wept. Despite all the... Saul was trying to kill him. Right?

Yeah, and then Yeah, the other example you have that I love too is Daniel being exiled and threatened for his faith You know coming in offering so much wisdom helping people helping the king Yeah interpreting dreams doing all these things and then When he won't worship what you want him to worship, you're just willing to kill him. Yeah, obviously he survives and then he

doesn't turn away from what he was doing before at all. does it again, and he's still helpful, still doing these things, offering all this wisdom. And then ultimately, you know, what happened to Dana was he, was, he was elevated throughout the kingdom. Honestly. Yeah. You may have died of old age or I don't know. Anyway, he hung in there. He hung in there, man. He took that adversity. He took that fumble in the first half. Hey, and we turned it into points.

Be like Daniel tonight, boys. When he was faced with that line. It was like that D line right there. I remember, this is so off topic, but I remember, you remember obviously Hoover High School two days? Oh my gosh. I remember there was a clip where they went to a church before a game.

Cartwright Morris (30:33.558)
and the preacher was giving them like a talk about like tonight you need to be like the warriors in the Old Testament, know, stuff like that. You know, it's like, Anyway, that's not what we're talking about here. Yeah. Right. Or is it, right? Is that the inspiration for this? Yeah. But mean, adversity has different, yeah, it's got different, you know, shapes to it. I think it's just always, hey, can we in the midst of it?

wrap our mind around, all right, God is refining this. He's refining us through this. As much as it sucks, it's as painful as it is. I mean, like, mean, there's just so, I mean, the list is really long. I mean, you could, from losing a job to...

dealing with bills and income to, mean, you know, hearing stories about people who lose children. like, you're like, like the pain, like that adversity, it's like in the midst of it. It's like, how do I, I mean, take the full weight of that? Well, I would say, you know, one is to, shouldn't say full weight of that is, cause we have, you know, we have Psalm 23, though I walked through the,

valley of the shadow of death, the shadow, not the actual valley of death, but the shadow. Because of Jesus, we only experience the shadow. We never actually experience. Right? And so, but when we experience the shadow of the valley of death, how do we choose to continue to walk? Lo, you are with me. You know?

your rod and your staff, comfort me. know, that, that like in that moment, okay, this just allow that pain to just kind of hit. And then.

Cartwright Morris (32:34.018)
Continue to allow that pain to go. Okay, God you're you're you're making me a better father a better husband a better man a better leader a better whatever, you know, yeah Through all this but yeah, I think that's kind of the core. That's what I like about this I think that and a lot of this is what you've done with me over the past couple years, but like I think what registers the most with me with this is it's

It allows you to kind of see yourself from almost an outside perspective in a way. it allowed, or not maybe not yourself, but like what you're going through in context to like what has always been going on for every man for centuries. Not that your situation is not unique. I'm not saying that, but it is like, okay, this is what this is. Maybe we've talked about this before, even on this podcast.

Maybe it's not about the hardness of this situation. Maybe it's about what God is refining and teaching me right now, which allows you to see losing that job or a health issue. It doesn't make it easier, but it does give it context. I don't know if that's the right word, but it kind of gives you like...

bigger picture and even an opportunity to like Okay, well my only option here isn't to wallow and and be a victim, you know, I have another option and it's to view it in the way that your course is defining what this may be and Be able to grow from it. Yeah, and you know, you know, that's a great point though And this is where I you have to start doing this now in some of the smaller adversity

and moments because there's a big one coming for all of us there's a there's a massive pain and

Cartwright Morris (34:35.182)
you know, if you're in that moment and I come up and tell you, oh, this is God forging you and shaping you in that moment, you're not going to hear it. No one wants to hear in midst of it. But what happens when we choose to go, OK, God, these little hard moments, these little things, these little frustrations and adversities, it's like when I choose you, God, when I choose to say, all right, this is you.

building stronger mindsets, making me a better man, helping me become a husband, whatever it is for you. When you have those little moments and you allow those little moments, when you get to the big one, because it's coming, we live in a fallen world, right? You're able to hear that voice that really stands out and you can...

withstand it better you can take it on better and you Like because it's just like you can't have somebody tell you in that moment It's just like some of us we just we live we live in first world 21st century we live in such a Insulated world of how do I insulate myself from pain and disappointment frustration all the time to then all of a sudden? It had something happens. Yeah

And it just does. It just really does. And it just like there's just so many examples out there that you just gut punches. In my own life, I know people and it's just like, man. Anyway.

So there is just like, you can only prepare yourself for it. And if you're just kind of going through drifting through life and just kind of going, it won't ever happen to me or, you know, why I have to think that way. It's like, you know, it's just going to happen. You know, anyway, that was a thought I just had. had to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. And I think.

Cartwright Morris (36:34.894)
I want to hit the other, how many other? There's four more. I want to the other four kind of in its own. I feel like that kind of puts a bow around. I don't know, I feel like that's a good, that's a good kind of wrap on this one because it's so, it's just resonated a lot with me. That point. mean, it's just, you know, that is, man, talk about like,

It's not a cheat code, but it's like, just if you can just view some of this stuff differently.

And the way you do that is to learn about it and to put yourself in an environment where you are talking about it and, you know, learning from somebody like you or, or, or, you know, it's like, yeah, you just need that. You really need that in your life. Yeah. I would say maybe the first three different from the next four, maybe in a sense, maybe that's not true, but is there's a level to them is just a level of endurance.

you know, how do we endure? Because endurance, as it says in Romans 5, endurance produces character. When we have these things, these things that hit us in the face, these adversities, this hard work, wilderness season, you need a level of endurance, this producing of endurance. Because endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not disappoint.

Yeah, that's Romans 5. So how do we just learn to endure? Because there's a lot of us out there, we don't know how to endure. And I'll say that many areas of my life, I didn't know how to endure. It's like learning how to endure to continue to go, to continue to get up in the morning and say, God, I choose the life that you have for me. I choose to be the man that you've called me to be and not the one that I feel like is easier. Yeah.

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