Hero or Dick - Season 2, Ep 4 - Caves

Hero or Dick, Season 2, Episode 4 - Caves

This episode of Hero or Dick plunges into the shadowy depths of the world's caves, shining a light on tales of courage, tragedy, and discovery.

Join Kate and KJ as they don their metaphorical headlamps, guiding you through the serpentine passageways and immense caverns below the earth's surface. From historical expeditions to personal adventures, and even a delve into the whimsical, they explore how caves have been portrayed in films and literature, unveiling our intricate fascination with these ancient natural marvels.

But the journey doesn’t stop with the echo of distant drips. Kate and KJ also dish on life's varied palette, from debating the merits of kale to the calming pleasure of puzzles, and they even tip their hats to the sweet Polish tradition of pączki.

Got thoughts or stories for future episodes? Drop us a line at HeroOrDick2023@gmail.com.

Thanks for tuning in!

~ Kate and KJ

Chapters

• 0:02 Exploring Caves and Interesting Traditions
• 10:17 Danger and Discovery in Caves
• 20:36 Exploring the Significance of Caves
• 30:56 Random Conversations With Various Range

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:02

Greetings and salutations Hello. Right, I don't think we're working. Is it working?

Speaker 2 0:07

I.

Speaker 1 0:07

Hello, can you hear us?

Speaker 2 0:09

Okay, so let's just say I guess that works Yay, hey, hey everyone.

Speaker 1 0:14

One. Let me move my stuff around on the desktop, which you're not supposed to do when you're recording. Oh no, You're not supposed to no, we don't, I don't.

Speaker 2 0:23

Because we're so professional. Welcome to Hero Wear Dick.

Speaker 1 0:27

Yeah, episode three, season two, Episode three Kate and I were just talking about what were we?

Speaker 2 0:33

talking about? I don't know, oh, my cup, oh, it says awesome, like my daughter.

Speaker 1 0:42

It's the right cup too, From my daughter, but Kate made a joke and said it was from my son. It would have said a shithead like my daughter if it always came from Julian, and then we were talking about Julian and the signing day and stuff like that, Because he signed with Northwood University. A Good for you.

Speaker 2 0:58

Julian Congratulations.

Speaker 1 1:01

It was funny, though, because, like I was saying, he didn't let us know, and I knew it was coming up, and so I got a hold of the athletic director. I'm like, dude, it's tomorrow. What's going on? He's like I told Julian all about it. He was supposed to invite friends, family, whatever, so it turned out it was just me, brooke Jovi, some balloons. They did set up a nice little area in the media center.

Speaker 2 1:20

There was a picture in the paper.

Speaker 1 1:22

Yeah, but they didn't show the one of Jovi because that day was also a spirit day at school spirit week and it was country versus country club and Jovi was country and she had a cowboy get up on with the hat and everything and she didn't want to take away from Julian's serious signing she had a mustache painted on too, and so there is one picture of her between us with her mustache. But no, that was fun. By the way, that kid turned 18 yesterday.

Speaker 2 1:49

Julian Wow 18. What does it feel like to have an 18 year old son?

Speaker 1 1:55

It was like the same way it did.

Speaker 2 1:57

I mean with 17.

Speaker 1 1:59

But no, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 2:01

He's an adult now.

Speaker 1 2:03

Kind of 18. Do you know you got to be 21 to buy smokes now.

Speaker 2 2:08

Oh really.

Speaker 1 2:09

He looked it up. Not that he smokes, but we're joking with him.

Speaker 2 2:12

You can't buy liquor, you can't buy cigarettes, you can't rent a room, you can't rent a car until you're 25.

Speaker 1 2:19

What.

Speaker 2 2:20

But you can be in the military and go get killed.

Speaker 1 2:24

Serve the country? I mean serve the country whatever. Yep Interesting isn't it.

Speaker 2 2:30

It is that wears the cut off.

Speaker 1 2:35

Who makes these rules up? Not 18 year olds? No, and how come? Not that I want women to go into the service, but how come it's just dudes that have to sign up? Do what Selective service, selective service.

Speaker 2 2:48

you know, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I'm guessing the ruling behind it is traditional, but I guess I never thought of it.

Speaker 1 3:00

And then, with the whole, and I'm not saying this in a negative way, but I'm just curious, with the whole transgender thing and non-binary people, how they're going to do that.

Speaker 2 3:08

Like, if you're like you're 17,.

Speaker 1 3:09

you're like I don't want to be a dude anymore and you changed to a woman. Do you still Whatever your paperwork says? Can you get that changed? Like when you go change your name to Xylophone? You know what I mean. I like that name. I do too.

Speaker 2 3:24

I'm going to name my next kid Xy, I can call it Xy.

Speaker 1 3:28

All right. What's today about Kate?

Speaker 2 3:29

Okay, today.

Speaker 1 3:30

I'm relying on you.

Speaker 2 3:32

It's interesting because it's something you would not really thinking about. I don't know how it came to fruition that we're doing it, but the topic today is caves.

Speaker 1 3:42

C-A-B-E-S. Yeah, caves.

Speaker 2 3:45

Like the underground things.

Speaker 1 3:47

Yep.

Speaker 2 3:48

They can be dry or wet. Sorry, C-A-B-E-S.

Speaker 1 3:51

Dry or wet, not moist. But not moist I imagine actually they're pretty moist, you've never been in a moist cave before. They're moist, they got you know I haven't been in any caves, have you? Oh yeah, you're a spelunker.

Speaker 2 4:05

I'm not a spelunker. I thought it was. Oh, if you live in a cave, you're a caveman. Well, that too, troy Glodite what.

Speaker 1 4:16

The full network.

Speaker 2 4:18

T-R-O-G-O-D-Y-T-E-S.

Speaker 1 4:22

No kidding, troy Glodite, I like that.

Speaker 2 4:25

I don't like it because I can't say it. Yeah, who's the most famous caveman? Captain?

Speaker 1 4:29

Caveman.

Speaker 2 4:30

Well, besides him, captain Caveman is pretty famous. Captain Caveman I was going to go with Jesus.

Speaker 1 4:37

Oh yeah, Because he was in a cave for a while he did the tomb thing.

Speaker 2 4:40

Yeah, and he's like this is not for me.

Speaker 1 4:43

Wait, I'm sorry, the tomb was after yeah he wasn't entombed.

Speaker 2 4:46

Anyway, I don't know a lot about religion, but I don't.

Speaker 1 4:51

They said he was in a tomb. He rose from the tomb.

Speaker 2 4:54

Well, he moved the rock. They pushed the rock in front of it, didn't they?

Speaker 1 4:58

So it was a cave. It was a cave, but he was in there before he was dead.

Speaker 2 5:01

Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, they threw him in the cave, that's not nice. Okay, and he goes back in the cave, and then he's like Well, that's interesting because there's the whole play-doh with the allegory of the cave.

Speaker 1 5:13

Like all the prisoners are in there and they're facing the wall right and they're chained together and they can only face the wall. Okay, and behind them is a fire, okay, and then there's like a wall and these puppeteers Act out things behind them and so they only can see the shadows on the wall and they think that's reality. They don't realize, they don't know what's really going on, and so there's a whole allegory about that's been around forever, obviously, but as long as caves have mm-hmm and caves have been around for a long time.

Speaker 2 5:40

They have haven't they, yeah, people had living them, they were hiding in them, they were.

Speaker 1 5:46

Worship spaces yeah, places to hide like that man's cave.

Speaker 2 5:51

Oh.

Speaker 1 5:52

That's five already. Damn it oh.

Speaker 2 5:55

I'm gonna say Batman's cave is a hero the Batcave, the Batcave yeah. Yeah, definitely. You know, during the during World War two in Italy, jewish people hid in caves for like over a year, I would do yours.

Speaker 1 6:13

Yeah, well, they survived because they lived in caves, Hmm.

Speaker 2 6:17

but yeah, that's a bad year of their life they probably don't want to relive that sucks the Mayans. They thought that the caves were Entrances for the underworld the kind of war in their world. Yeah not just under world yet, cuz yeah, duh, when you go into a cave, you're under the world Usually how'd that work out for them? Oh, the Mayans.

Speaker 1 6:40

Did they come back out?

Speaker 2 6:41

I haven't heard from them lately.

Speaker 1 6:42

Yeah, they've made that calendar though.

Speaker 2 6:45

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 6:47

I like who? To the Mayans? Sons of bitches. Just kidding, take the Mayans.

Speaker 2 6:53

So that I like the Mayans. I got nothing.

Speaker 1 6:55

I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 6:56

I like their gang that they have on TV I don't know if it's a real thing the Mayans. They were on sons of a anarchy and then their rival gang was the Mayans really yeah, there's sons of our dudes. What is that?

Speaker 1 7:08

So to be in our game? Is it a mobster show?

Speaker 2 7:10

No, it was a biker show.

Speaker 1 7:12

Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't watch it.

Speaker 2 7:14

Oh, miss it, it was great violet. Yeah, yeah, a lot of people died was it in fact at the end. I don't think I'm giving anything up. Almost everyone dies in the end except for the Sun.

Speaker 1 7:26

Don't tell me nope.

Speaker 2 7:28

Gotta watch it all eight seasons of it eight seasons. I don't know you. Probably there was a lot of cities.

Speaker 1 7:33

Two days I.

Speaker 2 7:37

Loved it for a long time. I still like it, but caves, caves. They didn't live in caves, they but some famous caves let's go with that. Mammoth caves in Kentucky Okay, a huge. I Didn't write down how many miles of caves, but we did go there when I was a kid. Um, on a road trip we went to the mammoth caves and I specifically Remember at walk and through the cave, walk and through the cave, you have a guide and then there this is what I remember they're like all right, we're gonna turn the lights out so you can see how dark it is, and that's the darkest I've ever seen. Anything pretty scary.

Speaker 1 8:18

How scary how many people were with you on this thing.

Speaker 2 8:20

Well, we looked out when we did the tour. We had the two tour guides and just my mom and dad and brother. I was young, maybe like that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 8:29

Yeah, it was great. Good thing they were nice people.

Speaker 2 8:32

Yeah, they didn't ditch us in the cave. No to be fed to the Mayans. No no no mammoth caves.

Speaker 1 8:40

What now? Come back. Sorry, mammoth caves is something to do with the woolly mammoths. I don't know why they find like mammoth bones in there.

Speaker 2 8:47

Maybe it's mammoth because it's so huge.

Speaker 1 8:50

You're so smart? Well, I was just hoping, because the one of the great things about caves unless you're a murderer is that they preserve remains, and so that's why they've made so many great discoveries, like the cave paintings, which Picasso, by the way, was inspired by Episode. What was that?

Speaker 2 9:10

Just a couple times ago.

Speaker 1 9:12

Just don't forget. We have another Bunch of episodes you folks could listen to. Picasso wasn't long ago and, by the way, if you'd like to email us for suggestions. Since something horrible. At this point we don't even get any. Yeah belly, who the Cassidy again Fan, besides my wife. And no, what's our address?

Speaker 2 9:37

Hero or dick to zero, two, three. Mm-hmm at gmailcom.

Speaker 1 9:41

There we go.

Speaker 2 9:42

Mm-hmm. Yes, accepting emails anytime, night or day.

Speaker 1 9:46

So back we're past the mammoth caves. Oh wait, yeah, don't hide if you're gonna kill somebody, which I don't recommend, no, but sometimes things happen, you know things go down an alley. You don't know what's gonna happen. You're trying to get rid of the evidence. Don't stick the body in a cave. I highly somebody'll find it eventually. Yeah, I would stick the sinkholes, probably for the bodies.

Speaker 2 10:06

Yeah, they, they go away.

Speaker 1 10:08

Yeah, what happens?

Danger and Discovery in Caves

Speaker 2 10:09

I think they get a sinkhole, Kind of like a cave watered yeah and there are watery caves. I mean, you look at those. There's another famous cave, made famous by those. 13 soccer players Went on a cave. Yeah with their coach, I think, and they. There's a movie in a book about it. It's called the boys in the cave. The soccer team was exploring the cave and then it Reigned and they got stuck in the cave.

Speaker 1 10:44

They got rescued. Though they did get rescued. I believe it's scary, but this was like yeah and they were in there for quite a lot long time 70 years ago. Yeah, it wasn't too long though Did they make the game?

Speaker 2 10:56

They were Field trip Okay.

Speaker 1 11:00

I said nobody wants to repeat no, no, not a good no.

Speaker 2 11:06

So caves can be dangerous. As we know, eagles nest sinkhole in Florida is a 310 foot deep cave. That's a big one and it has claimed the lives of ten expert divers since 1981 but not as expert as some of the other. Oh, they weren't as expert as they thought they were, because they got drifted and they're died.

Speaker 1 11:30

You can't mess with mother nature, man.

Speaker 2 11:32

Oh no, and she put caves there just to test you. Mm-hmm you know. And then there's the guy I don't know if I have his name. He got stuck in a cave. Oh, let's see where's his name John Jones, he was a caveur, that's what his title was like. On his income tax. Did he go to school for that?

Speaker 1 11:57

Caveur. I mean, that seems like something you learn on the job.

Speaker 2 12:00

Well, he didn't learn. Probably a geologist he got stuck in a cave in 2009. He was only 26 in Utah. I like the name of it too. Sorry, dead guy Nutty Putty. Nutty Putty Cave I'm just going into the Nutty Putty Cave. It'll be fine, but he got stuck and they couldn't get him out.

Speaker 1 12:25

What happened to your dad? Well, he went into the Nutty Putty.

Speaker 2 12:27

And then you know what they did they sealed it.

Speaker 1 12:30

They sealed Nutty Putty.

Speaker 2 12:31

They sealed Nutty Putty.

Speaker 1 12:33

And Mr Jones is in there.

Speaker 2 12:34

Mr Jones is in there. Yeah, so belly food. What's that noise in there? I don't know, it's a cave.

Speaker 1 12:41

Somebody knocked him. It's John.

Speaker 2 12:42

Jones.

Speaker 1 12:44

Yeah, Well, you know and then you think they're going to find that dude.

Speaker 2 12:48

Because some caves you go in are huge, huge, Like I was in a cave. We were traveling in Barbados, so we went in this cave and there was actually a little tram that you got on and it was all paved and done over and you were like riding through. I mean it's huge, but then this guy got stuck because sometimes the way through you really have to squeeze through there, which terrifies me.

Speaker 1 13:20

Oh my gosh, even if you're not claustrophobic, that's the work.

Speaker 2 13:24

Do you really want to squeeze? Let me see if I can squeeze through here and see what's on the other side. Maybe there's nothing on the other side and that's how he got stuck. So you know. Did he deserve it? I don't know. I don't know. Nuddy putty, nuddy putty cave Not a good one. They can't go in it anymore, so don't even try.

Speaker 1 13:45

I won't.

Speaker 2 13:46

So there's caves all over the world, of course.

Speaker 1 13:48

Do you find anything about the rising star caves?

Speaker 2 13:51

I don't know about those. What are those?

Speaker 1 13:53

That was the subject of a Netflix documentary which I seem to get all my information from there in these days. But it's in Africa, and back in 2013, they found a new species that predated the Homo sapiens.

Speaker 2 14:10

A new species of humans.

Speaker 1 14:12

Well, they don't want to say that because they say their brain was so small. But these people, were so smart.

Speaker 2 14:17

I know I like humans with small brains, yeah.

Speaker 1 14:19

I do too. Too many of them Driving those big trucks. Anyhow they.

Speaker 2 14:27

What was I talking about? The caves of Africa?

Speaker 1 14:30

Oh, rising star caves. I don't know why they called that. I didn't get that far in the documentary.

Speaker 2 14:33

That seems like an odd name for a cave.

Speaker 1 14:35

It does, because the people, creatures were 300,000 years ago, which is like 150,000 years before we thought humans evolved from whatever, and these folks lived in these caves or around these caves. And it's pretty fascinating because you got your entrance and then there was this big shoot. They walked to a shoot and throw their dead down the shoot, like we're talking I don't know, 50 or 100 feet down, and then they'd crawl in there and then they'd do like a ceremony and bury them, so they'd carry the bodies all the way into the caves, into the shoot, as far as they could go, and then they'd shove them down.

Speaker 2 15:16

It's like a 100-shoot. Yeah except for bodies. No, they put the bodies on the shoot, then they went in after the bodies.

Speaker 1 15:22

Yes, and they did like a ceremony.

Speaker 2 15:25

How'd they get back out?

Speaker 1 15:27

The bodies, the dead people didn't.

Speaker 2 15:28

Well, no, apparently they crawled out.

Speaker 1 15:30

I don't know Again, I might not be getting all the details. Well, the shoot was wide enough to crawl out because they sent people down there in this documentary and they found an area where I didn't get very far in the documentary but they buried all these people. Like they find hundreds and hundreds of bones, like they're like amazed because it's a cemetery.

Speaker 1 15:49

But supposedly these creatures their brain, they think, was so small that they shouldn't be able to think like that or have that emotional intelligence, or whatever it was, to create rituals and do these things, what?

Speaker 2 16:04

the fuck. How do they know? No, they know they did it.

Speaker 1 16:07

And my wife had a good point. She's like why are they talking about ants? Get rid of their dead and have like a little ritual. Did you ever see?

Speaker 2 16:12

ants crawl or take the dead away. Yeah, like if they're.

Speaker 1 16:17

When I'm yeah, dead ants.

Speaker 2 16:19

Yeah, they carry them.

Speaker 1 16:22

They're like marines.

Speaker 2 16:23

No marine left behind.

Speaker 1 16:25

Speaking of caves, ants, they just call them ant holes, but those are caverns, those aren't caverns yes. I like ants.

Speaker 2 16:34

I'm going to say I'm a little terrified of them, but they're heroes overall.

Speaker 1 16:39

I do, I think so.

Speaker 2 16:39

But I feel like one day they might carry us all away.

Speaker 1 16:43

I think they're working on it.

Speaker 2 16:44

If they gang up? You know, I've seen the ants just in my yard. They could carry me away. Yeah, and I'm not like wait. You got to respect them and I don't even know that they'd kill me first.

Speaker 1 16:56

They'd no, probably not.

Speaker 2 16:57

They'd kill you later. No, I don't think so, hortria.

Speaker 1 17:00

Put you in nutty putty and eat you up. They God damn nutty putty that sounds like a treat.

Speaker 2 17:06

It sounds like a fun place to go. I'm sure that's what I was thinking. I was doing this nutty, putty cave. Everything will be fine.

Speaker 1 17:13

The ants, though, in their whole cave system. What I appreciate about them is I don't do it. People step on the ant hills or flood them. You know what they do. They just keep walking going. Yeah, that's just not them.

Speaker 2 17:26

It does not stop them.

Speaker 1 17:28

No, I love that. Yeah, they're our persistence hero or dick on the ants.

Speaker 2 17:34

I I said hero hero. Yeah, even though, like I said, I'm terrified. Oh yeah, mm-hmm, I don't want them to gang up on me. There's so many different kinds. I think they're smarter than we give.

Speaker 1 17:44

Oh yeah, I like how they move there.

Speaker 2 17:46

So they and they have a very small brain.

Speaker 1 17:50

Do they?

Speaker 2 17:51

it's all relative it is relative, they're a small thing.

Speaker 1 17:54

I think we get too much credit for our brain.

Speaker 2 17:57

Yeah, yeah anyway, okay, caves there we go. All right. So they're Iceland, they're in Chile, they're in Italy. Blue grotto in Italy has glowing blue waters.

Speaker 1 18:11

Yeah, I heard about that one. That sounds beautiful.

Speaker 2 18:14

I have not witnessed it. The Glow worm cave in New Zealand, where the ceilings are covered with a. Nile, luminescent glow worms. They give off blue light love it. Yeah, my brother was coming back Thursday from New Zealand and he did go there. What I'll ask him about the caves?

Speaker 1 18:33

Damn you and your family so cultured. I gotta do something. You're getting to the health risks of.

Speaker 2 18:43

Oh, you know, they can be Saviors, but they can be killers.

Speaker 1 18:51

The bats and other cave dwelling animals can have little nasties, but they can have nasties here too. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, who's writing this stuff? Do they want us to hate caves? I don't know. Not everything bad comes out of a cave. No, you know no caves but rabies, fungal, fungal infections, oh, but that's only a cave, cave dweller, and you go into a cave, you know bats aren't getting out.

Speaker 2 19:14

They're thriving in caves. Sure yeah, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 19:17

so what are they doing in there with a pretty smart Dropping some birds too? There's it been in and out of caves. Oh yeah, they are yeah maybe stay away from those birds. Hypothermia did you know that Temperature in many caves remain constant? It can be quite cold.

Speaker 2 19:34

Yeah, it's cold.

Speaker 1 19:35

So maybe some of these people know those professionals know that.

Speaker 2 19:38

I know, last time we were in Arizona we went to a cave Complex I don't have the name of it and you walked in. What I did like about it was you walked in and they misted you down, so you don't bring in the outdoor germs. Yeah, you got a little mist and you walked in and it was cold. I mean, we're in Arizona, it's hot and you get misted down, which kind of felt good actually. Yeah and then you walk in and your germ not germ-free, but keep in your dust dust up in your, you know yeah germs out Hmm.

Speaker 1 20:15

Yeah, we were to North Carolina. That's all I wanted to do really was go Even just on a tour with a bunch of people, because I've never been Caving or spelunking or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 2 20:26

Slunking, isn't it spelunking? I don't know. I think you made that word I might have, but I like it.

Speaker 1 20:32

I like it. We didn't go.

Exploring the Significance of Caves

Speaker 2 20:35

You didn't go. You should always go in the cave.

Speaker 1 20:37

Yep.

Speaker 2 20:38

Well. No unless it's nutty buddy.

Speaker 1 20:41

Yeah, it's cold, it's full of bats. Yeah, the ants are waiting outside the doorway. Rub it in with little hands together.

Speaker 2 20:51

Come on in Deepest cave in the USA, west Montana is known. It's a limestone cave and it's two over two thousand feet deep.

Speaker 1 21:04

It's too deep.

Speaker 2 21:05

That's too deep. Yeah that's getting into. You know you're almost to the middle core by them. No but close enough, but oh. I don't like that I don't like that either.

Speaker 1 21:21

Maybe I won't like caving anyway.

Speaker 2 21:23

I. It can be very claustrophobic, so I'm always look pretty leery of it. But you know, if it's a, if it's a known cave and they're doing tours, I think yeah, we're getting out alive. But I would never go into nutty putty by myself or with you know, john Jones. Hey, come on, let's go caving.

Speaker 1 21:42

That's another thing. You gotta be careful who you're caving with.

Speaker 2 21:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1 21:45

You kind of want to know that person pretty well yeah.

Speaker 2 21:48

If I let her go with a tour, plenty of tours, because almost every state has cave systems, which is kind of weird too. Yeah, in caves, our homes to a lot of people. A lot of people have lived in caves over the years, thousands of years. At least 30 million people in China still live in cave homes called yow dunks.

Speaker 1 22:12

What are the Wi-Fi's like in there? I Not so good.

Speaker 2 22:17

Probably not so good, but they're. They live there because it's warm in the winter and cool in the summer makes sense to me. And you don't have to build a house.

Speaker 1 22:24

Just look up for those batspores.

Speaker 2 22:27

Yeah, then you touched upon this, the dangerous part of living in a cave ventilation? Well yeah, exposure to harmful elements and rockfalls or caverns. Yeah which is named after cave.

Speaker 1 22:41

So nobody wants to experience a cave in no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 22:49

So what else you got about caves?

Speaker 1 22:52

Well, talked about the preservation of history. I guess we already got that. It's pretty cool that you know if they find caves they can do some digging in exploring and find clues as to who lived there, where we came from. You know my next thing was earliest artworks cave paintings because they're preserved first artistic expressions.

Speaker 2 23:16

Mm-hmm, they're pretty good too.

Speaker 1 23:17

Centers of culture and religion. They were sacred spaces which we kind of talked about, those people throwing bodies down the chute and the rising star caves, adventure and exploration, and then throughout literature and movies and film.

Speaker 2 23:34

That was my next point. Thank you for reading my mind A lot of symbolism.

Speaker 1 23:38

They can be thought of as like a refuge, or like duality, you know, the cave of the mind, or you know things of that nature. But yeah, I got into that when I started thinking about my Fast Five. But I got a little deep in those, you know. I started thinking about the movies and the symbolism they had and how yeah, a lot of it was the caves could be like a bonding place where two people or a group of people who did?

Speaker 1 24:08

I know, they have to or they never got along before and they had to come together and work together to get out of the cave.

Speaker 2 24:14

Tom Sawyer and Becky neighbor. What's her name?

Speaker 1 24:17

Becky Hansen. Becky, oh wait, no, becky, I'm giving you a shout out.

Speaker 2 24:23

I don't know what Becky's last name is, but she was cute, she had freckles, right. I'm thinking of her.

Speaker 1 24:28

I'm thinking of her. I don't know Was there a back end, a little house on a prairie.

Speaker 2 24:34

Could be. Becky, there's lots of so the literature I know of that involves caves is not probably as deep as what you just talked about because there's like the Hardy Boys, yeah, Secret of the Caves. There is two really good Michigan books that involve caves and one is called Ursula under it's by Ingrid Hill and it is. I looked it up. I keep a book journal because I'm a nerd and in 2004, five I read it and I said it was the best book I read all year. It had history and suspense and mystery in the UP cave systems.

Speaker 1 25:18

What's it called again?

Speaker 2 25:19

Ursula under Comma yeah, ursula under.

Speaker 1 25:24

Ursula under yeah, okay, that's very cool.

Speaker 2 25:28

The other really good book about the cave systems in the UP is by John Smollens. He's written quite a few books but it's called Cold C-O-L-D and it's about the UP cave systems. I'm trying to think if they were just ice caves. It's been a long time since I read that book.

Speaker 1 25:49

Yeah, it's a big thing up there ice caves, yeah.

Speaker 2 25:52

It was a good kind of a murder mystery and it was very suspenseful and Michigan love a Michigan book, you know.

Speaker 1 26:01

Close to home.

Speaker 2 26:02

Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 26:05

It is home, it kind of is. It feels more and more like it every day, right.

Speaker 2 26:09

Yes, and any other caves in literature that you came up with yeah, there's probably plenty. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 26:20

I mean, I remember reading some books when I was kid though the Hardy Boys, and then you know you had like the Scooby-Doo Mysteries and that's some of those weird books that you would pick up the shelf in the library about monsters and creatures. There was always caves in that, aladdin.

Speaker 2 26:33

Oh yeah, shit, I forgot about that. One Totally racked a cave, yeah.

Speaker 1 26:37

Hey, Shrek, wasn't he in a cave?

Speaker 2 26:39

Shrek looked like I think he had a home. No, he had a home. Remember they're going to make waffles, yeah. But I'm sure there's yeah, donkey is gonna make a waffles, don't.

Speaker 1 26:50

I gotta rewatch that you need to read us that. No, our gang. I think I brought this up before in one of our episodes many moons ago with the Lorascals. It was called Our gang. It was like in the 1920s or 40s. I'm not that old but I did watch it Black and White Virgin on TV as a kid and there was one I'll never forget.

Speaker 1 27:10

It's embedded in my mind because the kids went on a little adventure. It's called Mama's Little Pirate and they go into a cave and they you know it's all this treacherous, dangerous stuff. They're exploring and they get into this cave and I don't know, they get back into it and all of a sudden it's just full of treasures like gold, doubloons and necklaces, and the kids are putting them on and trying to fill their pockets like crazy with all these treasures and gold and all of a sudden it's a giant's cave and there's a huge giant. I just remember I was like you know, I'm like scared, you know, and I was like I can't believe they're stealing this guy's money, and. But I was little, so that was one of my first memories of a cave.

Speaker 2 27:48

Okay, you almost just described the plot to Goonies.

Speaker 1 27:51

That's my next Goonies, yep.

Speaker 2 27:53

That's a famous cave.

Speaker 1 27:54

Very famous.

Speaker 2 27:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1 27:56

And that one was cool because it had a lot of booby traps. Yes, a lot of booby traps and what's the name of that? The Fatalities or something? That family of Wackos that were after the kids?

Speaker 2 28:06

Remember that? Oh, I do remember the family.

Speaker 1 28:07

It was a thorough normal from the train lady.

Speaker 2 28:08

Yeah, but I don't remember their names. What?

Speaker 1 28:11

was that guy's name. That's a great one. Who was that? Guy Chunk, no Chunk is the kid, chunk is the kid.

Speaker 2 28:18

I don't know what the guy's name is. Email is Casterday. Yeah, there you go, okay.

Speaker 1 28:25

And then another of my favorites and I think it was cool, because the students in the movie Dead Poets Society use the cave as their refuge away from, like the conservative expectations of life and they went away to the cave keating, you know, robbing whims knew about it. So the boys went there to celebrate their youth and being rebels. So that was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 28:47

So a cave as a getaway.

Speaker 1 28:49

Yep, yep and refuge, a quest for discovery, self discovery, things of that nature. I love that shit, yeah. And then I already talked about Batman's.

Speaker 2 28:59

Batcave oh.

Speaker 1 28:59

Batcave.

Speaker 2 29:00

Oh.

Speaker 1 29:02

And then one of my favorite movies of all time. It's not that great. We talked about this one before the Great Outdoors with John.

Speaker 2 29:09

Candy and Dan Aykroyd. Where's the cave in that one?

Speaker 1 29:12

When the girls it's kind of like a mineshaft oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And the girls take off in there and then. Roman and Chet have to work together, even though they're hating on each other. They just get in that big blow up fight. They got to work together to get the kids out of there, so I thought that was pretty cool too.

Speaker 2 29:27

I love John Candy. Oh man, Any movie he's in is good movie, even if it's not a good movie.

Speaker 1 29:32

So that was my Fast Five too.

Speaker 2 29:33

Oh, wasn't it, you just went through them.

Speaker 1 29:35

I'm giving them all heroes, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 29:39

Well, Goonies is definitely a hero because it endures.

Speaker 1 29:43

And it had both the quarries in it. Was it Feldman and Quarihim? I think there was just one quarry, yeah.

Speaker 2 29:50

The one that's still alive.

Speaker 1 29:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2 29:51

Yeah, so overall, what do you say? Caves Hero or deck for caves?

Speaker 1 29:59

Hero.

Speaker 2 30:00

Overall, I would say caves are heroes because you can move right in if you need to or you can take refuge in them. Keep that in mind. But, man, they are dicks if you don't respect them. Yeah so that's where we are with that.

Speaker 1 30:13

That's mother nature in general right.

Speaker 2 30:14

Yeah, Got to respect like around here.

Speaker 1 30:16

You got to respect the water. People don't. I don't get it. You see these jacknogs when you go up to the beach here, like here on in, the big waves are rolling in and these fucking dummies are running out there into the huge waves and I'm like there's undertook that that's dangerous, yeah it is, but especially this time of year.

Speaker 2 30:32

Or the river, or the river.

Speaker 1 30:34

Jumping off the thing, the bridge in the river, and I'm like, oh my God, that current is. That's death down there man.

Speaker 2 30:40

I haven't seen anyone jump off the bridge in a long time. What?

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Speaker 1 30:44

Last summer I saw kids jumping off the bridge and then they were jumping off over by the Lady Michigan boat area. I'm sticking, but I'm old and afraid of things and leery so I probably won't go caving.

Speaker 2 30:56

All right, here's some fast vibes. Tell me here where they're. These are random. We're done with caves. Write us what you think about caves. So here's some rando fast vibes. Number one kale.

Speaker 1 31:09

What.

Speaker 2 31:10

Kale.

Speaker 1 31:11

Kale.

Speaker 2 31:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:12

Hero. I especially like it when you make it into kale chips. Oh Brooks, genius at that.

Speaker 2 31:18

It can be good, and you know why you have to do that because they're dicks.

Speaker 1 31:22

You don't like kale otherwise.

Speaker 2 31:24

It's too chewy.

Speaker 1 31:25

What about kale and soup? No, I'm not going to convince you.

Speaker 2 31:30

No, it's spinach. How about jogging?

Speaker 1 31:34

Jogging.

Speaker 2 31:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:36

I fucking dream about jogging and I used to jog. Oh that's what you're dreaming about. It now yeah.

Speaker 2 31:42

I think it's kind of rough on the body.

Speaker 1 31:44

It's a hero.

Speaker 2 31:45

But okay, you look at you again.

Speaker 1 31:50

No, I'm seeing a theme here. No jogging, no kale. What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 31:53

A very unhealthy person. I'm kidding. How about jigsaw puzzles?

Speaker 1 31:59

Hero can keep my family occupied for hours.

Speaker 2 32:03

I agree, you throw it, even if you don't like them which I'm not nuts about them, but you put one down and it's like all right, I guess you got to do this now too.

Speaker 1 32:11

Yeah, when you start a puzzle, are you like I'm going to finish it in the next few days, or you're like, whenever I get to it, I get to it.

Speaker 2 32:18

Like walk by it and stop the video. Yeah, walk by, and have a couple in. How about windmills Dead silence?

Speaker 1 32:30

Yeah, thinking about them, the new ones or the old ones.

Speaker 2 32:36

Either or Don. Quixote when I say windmills which comes to mind?

Speaker 1 32:40

The first one was the old fashioned ones, but now I think of the big sons of witches. Yeah, they're heroes. They really fuck up the skyline, though.

Speaker 2 32:48

Do they More than electrical?

Speaker 1 32:52

Well, it's just weird when, yeah, I don't like electrical lines. I can't believe we haven't figured that out yet.

Speaker 2 32:57

Put them underground.

Speaker 1 32:58

We have figured that out, but like you drive through Iowa and all of a sudden it's just miles of solar power. You know the big old.

Speaker 2 33:06

We took a motorcycle trip around Lake Huron.

Speaker 1 33:09

You and sons of the sons of the sons of the.

Speaker 2 33:11

Anarchy and we were out on a killing spree. Throwing them in caves or something Throw in Ontario and all, yeah, you can see them coming, and then they're just everywhere and they were kind of mesmerizing I thought.

Speaker 1 33:24

Yeah, they are.

Speaker 2 33:25

Yeah, it's almost like you're in a different planet when you see them, and they're huge when you're under, right near them.

Speaker 1 33:32

They're having some issues with, believe it or not, recycling those like the blades and things like that because they're so big. I mean, there's stockpiles of these things, they're trying to figure out how to do that.

Speaker 2 33:44

Can you use them on another windmill?

Speaker 1 33:46

No, I guess some of them Disposable.

Speaker 2 33:51

Do you pay a refund?

Speaker 1 33:52

You kind of like recycle them. But there's people come up with neat things to do with them, making different things out of them.

Speaker 2 33:59

Yeah, I bet we can figure out something to do with them. I mean, can't make another windmill, yeah. But, anyway, last last, last five is because of the season Polish. Polish punch keys.

Speaker 1 34:12

Well, I want to say hero, but I've just been having bad one after bad one.

Speaker 2 34:17

Oh, you got to get the right one, I guess. Yes, yeah, I'm going to say hero if they're hot out of the fryer and done well, but otherwise imitation ones. No, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 34:32

Do you like them when they're?

Speaker 2 34:34

filled with stuff. Um, depends on what they're filled with. Don't fill them with dates. No, yeah, put some raisins, put some raisins.

Speaker 1 34:41

When did they start filling them? Have they always filled them?

Speaker 2 34:43

I don't know. I don't know, we'd have to ask.

Speaker 1 34:46

Because the ones I get, like you, go into wherever my or one of our sponsors I have to mention.

Speaker 2 34:50

Actually, I don't. I don't always agree with them.

Speaker 1 34:54

My grandma used to make the small like kind of dense sugary. Yes, and it tastes really delicious.

Speaker 2 35:00

It's fried dough then, yeah, yeah, and these are donuts with sugar on top. Yeah.

Speaker 1 35:06

Agreed. I'm really curious about oops, oops Kate's pounding on the table telling me it's time to quit. I like punchkis. No, like her list, I like this. How did you come up with that?

Speaker 2 35:17

I don't know, looked around the room.

Speaker 1 35:18

Okay.

Speaker 2 35:19

I don't know.

Speaker 1 35:19

I like it.

Speaker 2 35:20

It's random Punchkis Hero. Okay, all right, look at us at 35 minutes. Yeah, fly's by Mm-hmm, all right. Well, please email us with any ideas or comments at heroardic2023.com, no, at gmailcom. Yeah.

Speaker 1 35:40

And I mean if somebody can get to us in the next week with an idea for the next podcast we can we can change it out.

Speaker 2 35:47

Yeah, cause I'm actually gone and to usually go every other.

Speaker 1 35:51

I guess you're going to have more time.

Speaker 2 35:53

Yeah, so you have a little bit of time. Give us any ideas, yeah. All right, I'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 1 36:00

Thanks everybody.

Speaker 2 36:00

All right, thank you. See you next time.