Hero or Dick - S2., Ep. 12 - Bookstores

Ever wondered why bookstores feel like a magical retreat? Join us for an episode near and dear to our hearts--BOOKSTORES! 

We share our thoughts and insights about bookstores--big ones, small ones--and we even discuss Mr. Amazon's humble beginnings' rooted in a garage. 

Grab a cup of coffee and join us for a heartwarming episode that celebrates the magic of bookstores and the joy of reading.

Thanks!

~ Kate & KJ

Transcript

Bookstore Appreciation and Reading Habits

Speaker 1 0:01

Hello .

Speaker 2 0:03

I can hear you .

Speaker 1 0:03

Okay , here we are . Hi , we're so professional .

Speaker 2 0:06

Hello .

Speaker 1 0:07

Welcome to Season 2 , Episode 12 of Hero or Dick . This is KG .

Speaker 2 0:13

And Kate .

Speaker 1 0:14

And we're at it again . I'm not prepared . As usual . As normal , sorry , I actually did no research . I'm sorry .

Speaker 2 0:21

I think though , for our topic you would know , I mean , you could not even write some notes .

Speaker 1 0:29

I'm always good at making stuff up too . Yeah Well fact , check us people Fact check us Both my mom and my wife got me on Sunday , went over there to visit and they were both talking about I'm a BSer , I've always made up stories . I do , but not Is there a shred of truth to them .

Speaker 1 0:48

Yeah , I mean , when I was little I was Well , you know , I was a little liar Bullshit . I remember telling kids at school that I had a motorbike or whatever A dirt bike , a dirt bike . And the lunch lady busted me out in front of all the other kids .

Speaker 2 1:00

Oh , what a lunch , lady , oh .

Speaker 1 1:01

Oh yeah , she didn't like me anyway .

Speaker 2 1:05

So our topic this week .

Speaker 1 1:08

Is motorbikes . No , it's bookstores .

Speaker 2 1:11

Bookstores .

Speaker 1 1:12

Yeah , and it came . I'm going to give myself credit for it . Yes , you can , because we were somewhere , my wife and I and oh , it was just my wife and I . Oh , we took Julian to his Midland for his college orientation and we skipped out on Parrot Park . I've been there , we went to the bar . I would have done that in a day . The brewery , actually , we went to the Midland Mall and stopped at Barnes Noble .

Speaker 1 1:38

Barnes , noble A place that everybody hated when it first came out because they said they were going to destroy all the small bookstores . And now people are hoping .

Speaker 2 1:45

Please stay in business .

Speaker 1 1:46

Yeah , please stay in business because Jeff Bezos' garage business has taken over the world .

Speaker 2 1:52

Well , I think I have . Barnes Noble has 600 retail stores in the US , which is a lot less than A lot less , but that's still pretty good . What do ?

Speaker 1 2:03

you like about that place .

Speaker 2 2:05

Well , the one that we frequent is huge and they have an upstairs and a downstairs . Also , they have a really good magazine selection . I appreciate that because I like magazines . I know it's cool to read them online , not have a print copy .

Speaker 1 2:24

It's tough , though , isn't it ? Yeah , sometimes I like having a print copy . It's tough , though , isn't it ? Yeah , sometimes I like having a print copy .

Speaker 2 2:27

Yeah , I can breeze them on my Kindle , but I like having a print copy .

Speaker 1 2:33

The magazine selection is still pretty darn good . It was really good .

Speaker 2 2:36

I was at a Barnes Noble this past weekend and I bought magazines .

Speaker 1 2:41

What's left besides Barnes Noble ? No more Walden Books .

Speaker 2 2:45

No , I don't think Walden Books is around anymore . I'm not sure , let's see . I looked up corporate versus independent and of course Barnes Noble was the only one that came up In the US . In the UK you have Waterstones .

Speaker 1 3:04

Okay .

Speaker 2 3:05

Excuse me , which in London , in Piccadilly , there is a huge , huge waterstones Like you could be in there for days .

Speaker 1 3:14

That's yeah .

Speaker 2 3:15

Days . It's , I don't know , six or seven floors . It's got a cafeteria .

Speaker 1 3:20

That's amazing .

Speaker 2 3:21

It's you could , I could live there .

Speaker 1 3:23

Easy , easy . Bookstores are great . I don't even have to , I could just sit in a bookstore .

Speaker 2 3:29

Well , I don't have to read , I could , just it's just something , it's an atmosphere , having the books around well , when I asked jenna about bookstores , she said her pro tip is to read the book while in the store .

Speaker 1 3:42

Yeah .

Speaker 2 3:42

Because when she was in about second grade we were in Canada on vacation and we went into their version of Walden's or whatever .

Speaker 1 3:53

Was it called Books eh ?

Speaker 2 3:55

No , I wish it was . It was called Chapters , chapters , and I believe that they're still around , and so she picked out a Junie B Jones book .

Speaker 1 4:04

Oh , that's the devil's book .

Speaker 2 4:06

Come on , junie B Jones , they're banning those things . Why .

Speaker 1 4:09

I don't know . We just heard about it . A couple weeks ago my wife told me .

Speaker 2 4:12

Junie B Jones is a sweet little kid .

Speaker 1 4:14

I don't think so she's kind of brainy . Yeah , that's why they don't like her . You don't want smart , powerful young women .

Speaker 2 4:20

So I let her pick out a book . And then I browsed around and we were killing time . We were not in any great hurry and I was looking at a book . She slammed that shut . Well , I'm done . I said okay , you can pick out another one if you want . So that's her pro tip .

Speaker 1 4:39

Read it in the store . I like going and Brooke and I were doing this just pick random books off the shelf and open it and just see if it gets your attention or not . That first paragraph it should , or wherever it is in the book .

Speaker 2 4:51

Yeah .

Speaker 1 4:52

I know that's a harsh way to judge writers , but I think if it's good , that section should be pretty good .

Speaker 2 4:57

I don't think that's a harsh way and I know this is more a library thing than a bookstore , although it applies to any book . My mom always said take a book , open it randomly and just start reading , and if it like you said , if it keeps your attention then it's probably a book that you want .

Speaker 1 5:18

Was she like a romance reader ? My mom , no . What did she read ?

Speaker 2 5:20

She read everything but her and my dad really liked westerns like Louis L'Oreal and who's the other guy ? Zane Grey .

Speaker 1 5:29

Oh , okay .

Speaker 2 5:31

And she liked stuff that you had to use your brain for . I like that . No romance .

Speaker 1 5:38

Like literary fiction , maybe once in a while .

Speaker 2 5:40

She did say this before too , and I think this is true . She said every now and then you got to cleanse your brain with a smutty romance .

Speaker 1 5:49

Was that a book or just in life ?

Speaker 2 5:52

Well , I think it was a book but you know , I didn't ask her . So I do think it's true . There's no shame . Read whatever you want .

Speaker 1 5:59

Oh yeah , yeah , who cares ? You're reading .

Speaker 2 6:01

If you were reading , you're reading .

Speaker 1 6:02

If you're reading , you're creating it in your brain .

Speaker 2 6:04

I do know some very smart women who work like , as I can't even think of the title of their job . One is physical therapist and one is like a teacher at Cleveland University , is that ?

Speaker 1 6:19

a place . Yeah , sure Sounds like it .

Speaker 2 6:29

And anyway , when they go on vacation they read the rom-coms because they're around stuff all week long , that is not romance , I get it . So that kind of washes your brain a bit .

Speaker 1 6:36

Yeah , I think that's the and this isn't related , but it kind of is . It has nothing to do with books , but the same aspect for , like , when you just want to numb out and watch something on TV .

Speaker 2 6:46

I believe that's true . Yeah , something that you don't have to think about .

Speaker 1 6:50

But still it's pretty cool because books writing it's magical because you are creating in your head . That writer can say it's a red dress , but you picture a red dress and what I see might not be what you see Absolutely . You create in the character .

Speaker 2 7:12

You can describe a character , but there's a really famous um uh sequence of books that started with outlander and they turned it into a series and I what I loved the books . I highly recommend them . I can't think of the author's name . It starts with a , g , gil globin , and I can't think of her . But just look up Outlander . Very thick book . She's got so much detail in them and I read the first one and I loved it and the series came out .

Speaker 1 7:33

On TV .

Speaker 2 7:33

On TV , hated it .

Speaker 1 7:36

Hated it .

Speaker 2 7:36

Those aren't the people in my brain .

Speaker 1 7:38

Right , no , yeah , that happens with music for me too , like If you see the lyrics first . No , like you hear the song and you see your own video in your head and then you see the video and you're like ah crap .

Speaker 2 7:51

Yeah .

Speaker 1 7:52

Then every time you hear the damn song . You see that video instead of the one you had in your head , Instead of the one you had in your head .

Speaker 2 7:56

Well , I quit watching that Outlander because of that . Like no , that's not that was a huge series jamie , and I can't think of the girl's name , jamie , whatever they are but , yeah , and I'm sure you know people love the outlander series too , uh , on tv , but not for me .

Speaker 2 8:16

They'll stick to the books yep , okay , so back to bookstores now I want to mention this place . That's heaven on earth and I I'm going to go there one day . It's called Hay-on-Way , I think it's pronounced way , h-a-y-o-n-w-y-e , and it is a market town in Wales and , depending on the source , one said they have over 20 bookstores , one said they have over 40 bookstores .

Speaker 2 8:46

And that's their claim to fame and so they have all these bookstores . They do like a festival once a year , but they pull the tourists in to come and look at the bookstores and I would totally go there . Yeah , I think that would be great .

Speaker 1 9:00

I do too , and you know what I just thought of for one of our ideas , a business idea . You ready for this ? I am . We buy the rest of these little barbershops in town and each one is its own little bookstore . One's a poetry bookstore . I love it . One's fiction Isn't that a good idea ?

Speaker 2 9:17

Okay . Stay tuned for that one , that is , this would be a really cute bookstore .

Speaker 1 9:23

I know .

Speaker 2 9:24

And it would be doable , because you wouldn't have to . It's not like a huge space that you have to fill . No , you know what I mean .

Speaker 1 9:30

Just put some shelves up .

Speaker 2 9:31

Yeah , okay , we're on .

Speaker 1 9:32

You hear that , brooke , we'll let you know when that opens Mm-hmm .

Speaker 2 9:36

Did you know Amazon started as a bookstore ?

Speaker 1 9:39

Yeah , some people forgot that I think In Jeff Bezos' garage In his garage

Bookstore Comparison and Preferences

Speaker 1 9:43

. That's nuts .

Speaker 2 9:43

He had a good banking job too , and he quit it . He's like I'm going to do this .

Speaker 1 9:49

I hear he did well for it . He doesn't even look the same anymore . No , he doesn't . The funny thing money will do . He's like all buff and stuff .

Speaker 2 9:57

Well , he can pay for it now . Maybe he's an AI and he's just like the avatar . Oh yeah , it could be Anyway .

Speaker 1 10:06

Part of the conspiracy . I know people slam him , but he's a smart guy , he's doing something right . They slam him because he's successful . I think so , the more successful you are , the less people like you .

Speaker 2 10:15

Some people , and he had a great idea and he executed it . I think he had a wife too . That really helped him out .

Speaker 1 10:22

Probably got rid of her when he got successful .

Speaker 2 10:25

No , I think just recently they got divorced , like within the past five years . He probably got a trophy .

Speaker 1 10:30

She's helping some other guy now . She's going to make another guy successful ?

Speaker 2 10:34

I hope she's just relaxing with her gazillion dollars . She got in the divorce . Yeah , they started that in 1995 . And look at where it is now . I mean , look crazy . Cassidy wanted to give a shout out , or ballyhoo , to a bookstore's cousin online called Thrift Books . Did you ever go on Thrift Books ?

Speaker 1 10:58

Thrift Books . Thrift Books , thrift Books . It's online .

Speaker 2 11:01

Yeah , it's an online store and you can buy used books .

Speaker 1 11:04

I like used books .

Speaker 2 11:05

They are fabulous .

Speaker 1 11:06

I think that Barnes Noble should have a used book section .

Speaker 2 11:10

Well , how about John King ? Did you ever go to that ? That's the biggest .

Speaker 1 11:13

In Detroit .

Speaker 2 11:14

Yes , the largest used bookstore in Michigan , maybe . I don't know about the world , but Michigan for sure . It's an old warehouse in Detroit . Oh yeah , and four or five floors of used books . It's amazing . It is amazing . And don't go there in August . So , people , it is like 150 degrees inside . It's not air conditioned , it's an old warehouse .

Speaker 1 11:43

Sure .

Speaker 2 11:44

They had fans going everywhere . But , oh my God , I remember it was super hot .

Speaker 1 11:48

There's one like that in St Paul , I think , when I lived there , but I drank a lot during that time so I don't remember completely . So it was a little fuzzy , but I do remember going there . Um , on saturdays we would hit up barnes and noble , go drink for a little bit , and then we'd go to this other place . It was this big , huge old house , but I mean huge , huge could have almost mansion size , and it was a bookstore . There was three stories oh , that would be fun .

Speaker 1 12:12

That's pretty cool it's a good way to spend the saturday yeah maybe not Well that's a good way , but I just don't do it anymore .

Speaker 2 12:22

So the most famous in the US , the most famous bookstore , according to the internet , is 45th Parallel .

Speaker 1 12:32

Is it the one downtown ? It's not , oh .

Speaker 2 12:33

It's not Shout out to them though .

Speaker 1 12:36

Thank you for reviving that store . Yeah , it's nice to have a bookstore . It is we won't take you out of business when we open our barbershop . Books .

Speaker 2 12:44

No , we'll be in congruent .

Speaker 1 12:46

And we'll have just used books .

Speaker 2 12:48

Oh are we .

Speaker 1 12:50

Oh , you want new books . I don't know . I don't want used paperback books though .

Speaker 2 12:54

What I love a paperback .

Speaker 1 12:57

A used one Paperback . Yeah , I think it's dirty . I guess I still love it . Look , this isn't going to work . You know what ?

Speaker 2 13:04

Maybe because then I don't feel bad taking it to the beach or if a page rips out or whatever .

Speaker 1 13:09

I don't care .

Speaker 2 13:10

That's okay , it's just a paperback . I prefer paperback over hardcover .

Speaker 1 13:14

Do you think we could sell baked goods too ?

Speaker 2 13:17

Are you a baker now ?

Speaker 1 13:18

No , you bake . No , somebody's got to bake . I don't bake , I like cookies . I eat . Yeah , me too .

Speaker 2 13:27

So the most famous bookstore in the US is the Strand in New York City .

Speaker 1 13:31

I like that name .

Speaker 2 13:32

Their claim to fame is they have 18 miles of books 18 miles . Hmm , that's a lot of books , 18 miles .

Speaker 1 13:39

Hmm , that's a lot of books .

Speaker 2 13:40

That's a lot of books . I'm assuming they're going by .

Speaker 1 13:44

Sure , it's a strand , row by row , a really long strand .

Speaker 2 13:46

It's a really long strand Another big one .

Speaker 1 13:48

Is it in New York City ? New York City , yeah .

Speaker 2 13:51

I've never been to that one .

Speaker 1 13:52

Oh , there you go , there's another really large one in portland oregon . Uh , it's called powell's . No , I've heard of powell's , have you they're online too .

Speaker 2 14:04

Now , oh , are they right ? Yeah , okay , city of books is what they call them , and they're what they're city of books that's what their nickname is okay and they take them a whole black city , black in powells or in portland , in Portland . So how about independent versus corporate ? Independent , of course , is usually smaller , not necessarily , but usually Sure . So that's a pro and a con , same with corporation . They're bigger , pro and a con .

Speaker 1 14:36

They're all smaller than Amazon .

Speaker 2 14:38

Yeah , well , everything is smaller than amazon so what do you prefer ?

Speaker 1 14:43

independent ?

Speaker 2 14:43

well , of course , independent

Independent Bookstores and Bookstore Preferences

Speaker 2 14:45

. I want to support people who want to make a living at it , and I think the selection at independence can be a bit broader , because they aren't serving , you know , the big authors that you're going to hear about anyway yeah , you can get some indie .

Speaker 1 14:59

What's the deal with that ? That was one thing .

Speaker 2 15:07

Brooke , my lovely wife I bring up every podcast because , unlike Jason Bateman , she pays attention to us . We're on to Conan O'Brien now .

Speaker 1 15:12

Oh , yeah , that's right , but anyway , it really is . Everybody in New York Times bestseller . I swear every book New York Times bestseller . I swear every book New York Times bestseller . New York , come on . That tells me the New York Times has given up too many awards Given up too many .

Speaker 2 15:26

Well , and everybody has heard of Stephen King and . John Grisham , I don't want to take anything away from them . I love them both , but we've heard of you .

Speaker 1 15:40

So if we go to an indie bookstore , you're more apt to find indie authors .

Speaker 2 15:41

The great regional local writers yes , local .

Speaker 1 15:42

Or people that you've never heard of .

Speaker 2 15:44

Right , right , mm-hmm . So again , pro and con for both of them , and the new versus used . You know the new yeah , you get a fresh book . Sometimes you got to have a fresh book .

Speaker 1 15:58

Mm-hmm .

Speaker 2 15:59

But sometimes I like to get those thrift book paperbacks and that I don't feel bad if they get trashed .

Speaker 1 16:09

Yeah , I like garage sale finds .

Speaker 2 16:11

Yeah , oh .

Speaker 1 16:12

Yeah .

Speaker 2 16:13

Depends on how much they're charging .

Speaker 1 16:14

Sometimes they charge too much , but yeah , what's it going right at a garage sale ?

Speaker 2 16:18

Oh a bag of books A bag of books , like when you go to the library and they have their book sale . Hmm , at the last day you can get a bag of books for like $2 or something .

Speaker 1 16:27

Probably crappy books by then . Well , it's whatever's left . What about the Apex one ? Isn't there a big one ?

Speaker 2 16:34

I've never gone to that one man . I like books . I do like books a little too much . I have a lot and I agree with the T-shirt that says it's not hoarding if it's books .

Speaker 1 16:47

Right , it's not . I would never wear it , but I agree with that . I wish there was books in every room of our house lining the walls .

Speaker 2 16:55

I might have that already . Yeah , that's awesome Corporate One thing I do like is they get awesome coffee shops and stuff like that they usually do have a coffee shop and you can get a cookie and yeah .

Speaker 1 17:08

But it's expensive .

Speaker 2 17:09

It is shop and you can get a cookie and yeah , but it's expensive it is , but well for us anyway who don't have access to it every day , it's a , it's a real treat I think every bookstore should have coffee , even if you just got a pot out for people for free agreed and booksellers are usually friendly , happy people .

Speaker 2 17:25

And I have to tell you I was in a bookstore this weekend in holland . It wasn't the martin the noble , it was the indie . I don't even know the name of it because I didn't buy anything . And I have to tell you , I was in a bookstore this weekend in Holland . It wasn't the Martin Noble , it was Indy . I don't even know the name of it because I didn't buy anything there , because the lady was kind of bitchy .

Speaker 1 17:38

What was her problem ?

Speaker 2 17:40

You know it was hot and they were all eh . And then this torqued me too when some customers walked out of the door , they were bad-mouthing them . I'm like what are they going to say when ?

Speaker 1 17:50

I leave .

Speaker 2 17:51

I'm not buying anything from you . Is what ?

Speaker 1 17:52

they're going to say they were bad-mouthing the customer .

Speaker 2 17:54

Yeah , they weren't like saying she's a fat ugly bitch or anything , but they were like , could they pick a more inconvenient time to ask us all these questions ? And it's like you're a freaking bookstore .

Speaker 1 18:05

It's your job . You're a freaking bookstore . You want to sell a book . Answer the questions .

Speaker 2 18:08

Well , they didn't sell any to me .

Speaker 1 18:10

That's it . We're banning that store .

Speaker 2 18:13

I don't even know the name of it . I'm just banning that lady .

Speaker 1 18:20

Maybe her , I don't know . I like it when you go into those bookstores and sometimes the person they're not rude , but they don't even acknowledge you exist like the owner . I you exist like the owner .

Speaker 2 18:32

I would rather have that , yeah they're just like sitting there , dust all over them , but I , I , you know . Hey , they could at least say hey , how's it going ? If you have anything , let me know . That's the kind of salesperson I like . I don't want someone following me around , oh I'd like someone , but I don't want someone bitching when I leave the store , too , to be .

Speaker 1 18:47

To be like I got the collectible stuff over here . I want to see the good stuff . You know , some of these stores must have good stuff .

Speaker 2 18:56

They must . Where is it , I don't know ? Keep it out .

Speaker 1 18:59

I want to buy a first edition of something .

Speaker 2 19:03

Well , I think those are more specialty stores , you're not going to go into Barnes Noble and find that ? No , yeah , but I think you can find that . I don't know where , but you can .

Speaker 1 19:14

We'll figure it out .

Speaker 2 19:15

All right .

Speaker 1 19:16

Maybe one of our stores should have high-end books .

Speaker 2 19:21

Okay .

Speaker 1 19:23

But we have to get security . I don't want anybody breaking in and stealing my books . Stealing books .

Speaker 2 19:29

I'd beat them up . Want any buddy breaking in and stealing my books . Stealing books ? I beat them up . My favorite bookstore that I haven't been to is called Betty's Pages in Lowell Michigan .

Speaker 1 19:38

Now wait a minute your favorite bookstore you've never been to .

Speaker 2 19:41

Yes .

Speaker 1 19:42

Okay , I guess you can make it a favorite without being there .

Speaker 2 19:44

Yes , I bought some stuff online . I think I raved about them before ?

Speaker 1 19:47

Wait , you have talked about it . Yes , yes , yes , online . I think I've talked about them before . Wait , you have talked about it .

Speaker 2 19:49

Yes , yes , I can't wait for their holiday . It's not really Advent , but it's kind of a holiday package . Yeah , and you get that package and they wrap the books right there . So you get a prize . Every time I'm going to read this book , I'm going to open it up , that's nice .

Speaker 1 20:06

Are they going to send us free stuff for plugging them ? Probably not Okay .

Speaker 2 20:10

They're independent Is it Betty . Betty's Pages . No , her name is Nicole , I believe .

Speaker 1 20:15

Who's Betty ?

Speaker 2 20:17

Betty Page . You don't know who Betty Page is .

Speaker 1 20:21

Yeah , I do . No , you're not even faking it . Who's Betty Page ?

Bookstores, Coffee, Hot Dogs, and Parades

Speaker 2 20:25

She is like a person from the 40s who was kind of provocative for her time .

Speaker 1 20:30

Ooh , I like it already Cool .

Speaker 2 20:33

There's a couple movies about her and , guess what , there's some books about her .

Speaker 1 20:37

Good books or bad books .

Speaker 2 20:39

Probably some books people didn't like her . Probably they didn't like her . She was too provocative . She was too provocative , jeannie B Jones . Jeannie B Jones . She's probably reading those . She's probably reading those ?

Speaker 1 20:47

Yeah , stay away from that .

Speaker 2 20:48

Jenna also did say she's still chasing the high of going to Walden Books at Christmas Like oh , that's sweet .

Speaker 1 20:57

Next to Camelot Music . Yeah , genie Sweet Shop .

Speaker 2 21:00

Oh my God , Right there , kb Toys . Oh , come on , son of a bitch . What happened to them all ? What ?

Speaker 1 21:04

happened to us Amazon .

Speaker 2 21:06

Probably Mm Amazon Probably .

Speaker 1 21:08

Now my theory on that is if you're maybe I'm wrong , but I like to think that if you're really good at something and you're passionate about it , even if there's competition , you'll survive .

Speaker 2 21:19

I believe that's true and competition is good , but I also think you know when Walmart comes into a town .

Speaker 1 21:29

Walmart . It does , it's Walmart , it's Walmart , it does , it's Walmart , it's Walmart . It just wipe out the . It can wipe out the locals Like the shoe store .

Speaker 2 21:40

We don't have a shoe store now .

Speaker 1 21:42

Yeah , but why not ?

Speaker 2 21:43

We don't have a bookstore .

Speaker 1 21:45

I would go into the shoe store . That is no more , masters , and I liked it , you would . It had high end .

Speaker 2 21:50

Well , some people would , I guess I . I bought lots of stuff there , but not everybody does and maybe not everybody can afford to either .

Speaker 1 21:59

Well , you know I get .

Speaker 2 22:00

I get that . I understand it . But you know it does take away selection that type of competition and in bookstores too . We had while we had Walden's in the mall . There used to be a big bookstore downtown years ago before there were Walmart-type stores .

Speaker 1 22:25

Here .

Speaker 2 22:26

Yeah , downtown .

Speaker 1 22:27

Yeah , it was in the same spot , right .

Speaker 2 22:31

Well , it was right by the state theater . I think there's a tattoo thing there now Did you ever get a tattoo there . I did not .

Speaker 1 22:40

No .

Speaker 2 22:42

Did you ? Yeah , oh , did you , is it ?

Speaker 1 22:44

of a book .

Speaker 2 22:45

No .

Speaker 1 22:46

Oh no , I got it , oh this , I got that , oh this I get that oh okay , well , that's a nice .

Speaker 2 22:56

For people who can't see , it's a big pen .

Speaker 1 23:00

It's an old pen , an old-fashioned pen with the ink , and you can see the inside of the pen .

Speaker 2 23:04

Yeah , and it says commit , create , endure .

Speaker 1 23:06

It's my little reminder , Not just for writing , but everything .

Speaker 2 23:09

That works .

Speaker 1 23:09

Commit Anyway .

Speaker 2 23:12

That's very nice . What was my thing oh ?

Speaker 1 23:13

the tattoo . Yeah , he's a pretty intense guy over there .

Speaker 2 23:16

Well , I like the tattoo . It looks good .

Speaker 1 23:18

He had heavy metal playing at full volume the whole time .

Speaker 2 23:24

Well , everybody works under different conditions . Sure , Like you wouldn't find that in a bookstore , heavy metal playing all the time .

Speaker 1 23:32

Depends on the bookstore .

Speaker 2 23:34

Do they have a heavy metal bookstore ? I bet they do Like a Hot Topic kind of bookstore .

Speaker 1 23:39

There's no books in Hot . Topic no , anyway , okay .

Speaker 2 23:45

So I think it's clear that overall , we think that bookstores are heroes . Sure , I think so . And independent ones , if you can are more heroic .

Speaker 1 23:56

Yeah , yeah , okay , because they don't have the money . The big corporate backing .

Speaker 2 24:03

They don't , but because of that they can do whatever the fuck they want , so I hope they do , so serve some coffee . Give us coffee , you know I've cut down . Have you . Oh , is that why you keep talking about it ?

Speaker 1 24:15

I really cut down . I only do , are you ?

Speaker 2 24:18

jittery .

Speaker 1 24:19

No , I only do one to three cups now . God , how many were you doing Eight , ten , whatever , all with ?

Speaker 2 24:26

caffeine yeah .

Speaker 1 24:28

Do you ever ?

Speaker 2 24:30

Eight , ten , whatever , all with caffeine . Yeah , huh , you ever drink decaf ?

Speaker 1 24:32

Yeah , I did . I got to start that again .

Speaker 2 24:34

Mm-hmm , you know what ?

Speaker 1 24:37

no-transcript . How do I really know it's half .

Speaker 2 24:40

I don't know , but it says so in the pod .

Speaker 1 24:42

It does .

Speaker 2 24:43

But we don't really know for sure .

Speaker 1 24:45

You like coffee ?

Speaker 2 24:46

I do . Yeah , not eight cups a day , no , I do two cups . And then , if it's a really fancy meal and I'm having dessert at a restaurant , I get a cup of coffee .

Speaker 1 24:57

At night .

Speaker 2 24:58

Yeah , ooh , I know that's like a splurge out Wow .

Speaker 1 25:02

That's when I knew I had a problem when I started drinking coffee at 730 at night .

Speaker 2 25:06

And it doesn't bother you , I couldn't tell . I don't know , I don't sleep well anyway , oh .

Speaker 1 25:11

But no , but if I drink too much coffee I know I'm off man . I get pretty fucking agitated at night . I feel bad , like I'm just Well don't do it . That's why I'm cutting back . Okay , alright , but don't cut back on bookstores no , bookstores are awesome Because they're heroes .

Speaker 2 25:30

Who would ever call a bookstore a dick ? I don't know .

Speaker 1 25:35

Depends on the books .

Speaker 2 25:38

Oh , people are so picky about what they think I should read . Mm-hmm , do you think ?

Speaker 1 25:45

Yeah , it's like yeah , I just need . They don't want , they want to make sure , I don't want anyone to read this book , no , they want to make sure that the dress you're imagining in your head has long sleeves and is full length and isn't some little mini skirt view with a dipping . What is this ? A cleavage , a cleavage hole , no , cleavage , a cleavage hole no cleavage holes , please yeah , and now you have a totally related Fast Five , don't you Unrelated ?

Speaker 2 26:10

Unrelated . Let's say unrelated , so let's just start with it and see if people can guess what it is . Okay , the first one fireworks . I say dick , they're beautiful , yes , but they're expensive . They leave a mess , people get injured . You got to wait forever for them to go off at night .

Speaker 1 26:32

What about ?

Speaker 2 26:32

your own personal fireworks . No , even more of a dick . Oh my God , Kate , I know .

Speaker 1 26:37

I go dick . Oh man , I don't know , I don't like going to the fireworks .

Speaker 2 26:42

No .

Speaker 1 26:43

But I do like sitting at the lake and watching the fireworks from afar .

Speaker 2 26:47

Yes , yeah , like I said , they're beautiful , but and they're quieter . Yeah , you don't have to clean the mess up .

Speaker 1 26:55

They're messes in the lake , though , excuse me , it is , I'll take it .

Speaker 2 27:01

How about hot dogs ?

Speaker 1 27:03

That's so terrible Hero .

Speaker 2 27:07

I like a hot dog every now and then . Hot dog , here's how I eat them . Hot dog in a bun . Onions , barbecue sauce .

Speaker 1 27:17

Huh , sure , hey , do you ever go to Bob's ?

Speaker 2 27:21

over there . I have been there . I got the nacho Shout out to .

Speaker 1 27:23

Bob's Bullpen .

Speaker 2 27:24

True .

Speaker 1 27:25

Great hot dogs over there .

Speaker 2 27:26

I got the nacho dog . It was delicious .

Speaker 1 27:29

Do you like your wiener skin , with the skin or skinless ? I like the snappy little kogel .

Speaker 2 27:35

I like that . Yeah , and there are particular brands . Only that I'll eat . I'm not eating like a you know , I'm not eating a turkey bars or a turkey one or a chicken one . It has to be all beef and it has to be yeah , there's some at Purchase . I think that sells the winter brand maybe or something like that . I got them at Nowiki's and they're hot dogs , not brats . That's a whole different show .

Speaker 1 28:06

But back to the wieners . I don't mind like the combo dog where everything's in it .

Speaker 2 28:11

Yeah , depending on the brand I like relish on it too relish is good I like um uh .

Speaker 1 28:16

Nathan's makes a good hot yeah , they do kogels oscar meyer's overrated , I think I don't think .

Speaker 2 28:22

Yeah , I don't like theirs .

Speaker 1 28:23

So hero , but not but sparingly dang .

Speaker 2 28:27

Now I could eat a hot dog . How about parades ?

Speaker 1 28:31

no , I'm not a fan of parades sick and tired of kids running out trying to get candy .

Speaker 2 28:35

I know how do they not all get run over ?

Speaker 1 28:38

yeah , and these parents ? When did we start ?

Speaker 2 28:40

this I don't remember doing that ?

Speaker 1 28:41

who eats candy at a parade ?

Speaker 2 28:42

now the parents probably throw it away or eat it themselves if it's . And these parents when did we start this ? I don't remember doing that . Who needs candy at a parade ?

Speaker 1 28:45

And then the parents probably throw it away or eat it themselves if it's good or yell at their kids Don't eat all that candy , but you're the dumbass that let them go out in the street and grab it all . I do like the Christmas parade a little , because the lights and it's dark . Well , it's in the evening and it's dark . Fourth of July .

Speaker 2 28:59

Sometimes if it's snowing oh it's too hot .

Speaker 1 29:01

It's always so hot .

Speaker 2 29:02

Too hot .

Speaker 1 29:03

And it's I don't want to cap on them too bad .

Speaker 2 29:06

Yeah , yeah , I'm sure people work really hard .

Speaker 1 29:10

I like the perform , like the cheerleader people . The people are doing stuff .

Speaker 2 29:14

But the people who are waving from the back of a truck no , for what why ? Yeah , throwing candy . Okay , how about Family Picnic ?

Speaker 1 29:22

Hero . Not enough of those happen .

Speaker 2 29:27

Yeah , which is why they can be a dick when they do happen . And to wrap it up , July 4th or 4th of July .

Speaker 1 29:36

Hero .

Speaker 2 29:38

Well , hero , overall , we don't need the two in the morning . Fireworks no , we don't . Gunshots no . Yeehaw drunk assholes .

Speaker 1 29:48

We don't need that , but getting together with the fam . Right , right Are you going water skiing again this year .

Speaker 2 29:55

You know , I never was a water skier . I tried , though I did try , it didn't happen .

Speaker 1 30:01

for me it's too dangerous .

Speaker 2 30:03

No , no , I will not be water skiing . Usually we just have a picnic and some food and maybe some people over Hot dogs . We do have a hot dog .

Speaker 1 30:13

Maybe take a book .

Speaker 2 30:15

I would love to sit .

Speaker 1 30:16

Read a little book .

Speaker 2 30:17

Just sit and read a book .

Speaker 1 30:19

During the family . What's Kay doing ? She's over in the corner . Let's read a book .

Family Functions and Reading Books

Speaker 2 30:24

Yeah , it's acceptable at our family functions that if you bring a book that you could just sit and , you know , read it .

Speaker 1 30:32

I think it should be just acceptable . If you go to a family function and you put in your time 15 minutes talking to people , then you could just sit by yourself and do whatever , but that's not typically acceptable .

Speaker 2 30:44

Well , hopefully it's more interesting that you don't need the book . But you know , if it's nice out and you're sitting out by the lake and you want to put your chair away from everybody and read for a little while , I got no problem with that Neither .

Speaker 1 30:58

The world would be a better place if people sat alone and reflected and read books .

Speaker 2 31:03

Oh my God , that's so deep . But I think it's true too . People don't spend enough alone time , no , so people get your alone time in . Go to the bookstore , Right on .

Speaker 1 31:14

Okay , thanks for tuning in .

Speaker 2 31:15

All right , see you next time . Bye-bye , bye .