Hero or Dick - S2., Ep. 14 - Serial Killers

What truly defines a serial killer? Join us for an eye-opening discuss of the most infamous figures like Samuel Little, Harold Shipman, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy. We try to break down the chilling world of serial killers and shed light on their gruesome methods and the immense toll of their crimes. We also explore lesser-known but equally disturbing cases, including a sinister doctor from "The Burbs" 😉 and the elusive Jack the Ripper. 

Thanks for listening!

- Kate & KJ (and Jovi)

Chapters

• 0:00 Conversations on Serial Killers
• 10:55 Psychology of Serial Killers
• 18:57 Conversations on Movies and TV Shows

Transcript

Conversations on Serial Killers

Speaker 1 0:00

Oh my god, I cried Alright, welcome to Hero, or Dick. I just started, it Just start whenever you want.

Speaker 2 0:06

Kate and Jovi are busy talking about politics and gymnastics. We have a guest today. Say hi, hi, it's Jovi.

Speaker 1 0:13

It's Jovi, just Jovi. Just Jovi, how do you spell your name Jovi?

Speaker 2 0:19

Is that what people always ask you?

Speaker 3 0:20

J-O-Y-V-E double I.

Speaker 1 0:22

Is it Jody? Is it Josie?

Speaker 2 0:25

Is it Joby?

Speaker 3 0:26

Is it?

Speaker 1 0:27

Joby.

Speaker 3 0:27

Joby.

Speaker 1 0:28

Is it Jony? Yes, my parents named me Joby. We have Jony with us today.

Speaker 3 0:32

My friends call me Joby, though.

Speaker 1 0:35

Joby's 14 years old my daughter.

Speaker 3 0:37

Oh, my God, I'm not 14.

Speaker 1 0:39

She's 15 years old.

Speaker 3 0:40

Just had a birthday recently. What's your middle name?

Speaker 1 0:43

Bree. I didn't see her for her birthday because of the custody battle, but she turned 15 without me even knowing and she thinks she's 30. And she lives like a hoarder.

Speaker 3 0:55

No, I don't.

Speaker 1 0:56

Anyhow, we love her and we're glad that she's here, because she knows a lot about our topic today which is what Kate.

Speaker 3 1:02

Well, I was going to let Jovi say it Ser Our topic today which is what Kate Well, I was going to let Jovi say it Serial killers.

Speaker 2 1:07

Ah, that's it.

Speaker 1 1:09

Yeah, we're done. Thanks everybody. All right, kate, you are very familiar with murders, killers. Dateline NBC.

Speaker 2 1:16

I know, oh, I am Forensic files. Well, tell me this, jovi what is the one thing that we should know about serial killers? Everybody should know about serial killers. Everybody should know about serial killers. Well, that that's true. How many people do you have to kill to be a serial killer? I? Don't know that actually well, it depends on who you ask. I think too.

Speaker 3 1:37

I think it depends on also, like how you kill them isn't it three?

Speaker 1 1:40

I think it was two or three it's like a self-defense. You're not a serial killer no, no, no, no, no. Serial killers like a that's your job.

Speaker 2 1:48

You just don't get paid for it. That's what you do.

Speaker 1 1:50

Yeah, yeah, you get pleasure out of it apparently.

Speaker 2 1:52

You do in a way.

Speaker 1 1:54

Gross. Well, you must.

Speaker 2 1:55

Bad.

Speaker 3 1:56

I know the main ones, Like you say.

Speaker 1 2:05

Does that sound like a cheer.

Speaker 2 2:07

When I say serial killer. You say who do you think of?

Speaker 3 2:11

Samuel Little. Is that the same? He's the most prolific serial killer. I actually just listened to a podcast about him.

Speaker 1 2:17

He's my number one.

Speaker 2 2:18

He is number one. How many people did he kill?

Speaker 3 2:21

Didn't he kill like nine In the 90s, or was it in the 93. It?

Speaker 2 2:26

was Samuel Little. He confessed to 93. Women.

Speaker 1 2:31

So there's got to be more, or he did three and said he did 93.

Speaker 2 2:35

Well, maybe, maybe he's just a breaker, but I guess to confess, you have to have bodies right.

Speaker 3 2:39

Well, not necessarily.

Speaker 2 2:40

We shouldn't be on the road.

Speaker 3 2:41

I mean, if there's that many people missing, then I connect the dots.

Speaker 2 2:44

And he killed between 1970 and the 2000s.

Speaker 1 2:49

That's like he did it until he had to retire it was yeah 93. How many years is that? 35 years?

Speaker 2 2:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:57

That's three a year.

Speaker 2 3:00

That's one every quarter. Well, he had to meet a quota.

Speaker 1 3:04

What's that background noise?

Speaker 2 3:06

I think it's outside.

Speaker 1 3:07

Where's Scotty? Scotty, our intern. So yeah, he was the biggie, but you know who?

Speaker 2 3:14

killed more than him and they classified him as the serial killer. That doctor, harold Shipman, oh yeah, yeah. He's in the UK 200, right 250. Confirmed 250.

Speaker 1 3:30

You went worldwide, didn't you? With your?

Speaker 2 3:31

murderers. Well, I actually. After I looked at a lot of the data, I thought they're all from the US, so I tried to find one out of the US.

Speaker 1 3:43

Oh, there's other ones, yeah, yeah and I'm sure there's yeah. I bet you, japan doesn't have any.

Speaker 2 3:48

Well, they don't have guns, they have that suicide forest, so they just send them there.

Speaker 3 3:56

What.

Speaker 1 3:57

Suicide forest.

Speaker 2 3:59

We'll do a show on it.

Speaker 1 4:01

She said suicide forest.

Speaker 2 4:02

In Japan. You know of it right? Of course I'm not making it up, no they talk about suicide in school, okay.

Speaker 3 4:09

Anyway, when I hear doctor serial killer, I think of the doctor from the burbs who tried to kill the doctor that just moved in.

Speaker 2 4:19

Yeah, oh yeah, the dude, the burbs, he had skulls in his basement.

Speaker 1 4:24

And it turns out he was a murderer.

Speaker 3 4:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2 4:28

He was? Wasn't Dan Eckroyd in?

Speaker 1 4:30

there, oh my god Tom.

Speaker 2 4:32

Hanks, tom Hanks.

Speaker 1 4:34

And Corey Feldman.

Speaker 2 4:36

One of the Corys.

Speaker 1 4:37

Yeah.

Speaker 2 4:39

Alright, so who are some other serial killers? Gary Ridgway.

Speaker 3 4:43

Ted Bundy, jeffrey Dahmer, john Wayne Gacy those are the most common. They are.

Speaker 2 4:50

They're the most popular who? How about Jack the Ripper?

Speaker 1 4:54

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 4:55

Never caught.

Speaker 3 4:56

What is that one with?

Speaker 2 4:56

the night stalker.

Speaker 1 4:57

Wasn't he a doctor? Well, they think he was, but he was never caught.

Speaker 3 5:02

Who's the night stalker?

Speaker 1 5:04

Oh, that Richard Ramirez, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 5:08

Yes, I think that was who it was. They have a documentary about that on Netflix. That dude is creepy.

Speaker 1 5:13

Wasn't it Richard Ramirez.

Speaker 3 5:15

I think, so I can't remember I Googled him.

Speaker 1 5:19

Huh, richard Ramirez, isn't he on my list?

Speaker 2 5:23

I started with Jack the Ripper. Okay, richard. Ramirez isn't he on my list? I started with Jack the Ripper, okay. Never caught is his thing. Also, serial killers, I just want to say someone who murders two or more with a cooling off period in between. They kill characteristically, so kind of the same way every time, so they have a predictable pattern.

Speaker 2 5:50

Typically, I mean, they can go rogue, I suppose, because they are serial killers. So Jack the Ripper, john Wayne Gacy, performed as a clown. So that, right there is why a lot of people are afraid of clowns.

Speaker 1 6:05

Was he the basement guy too?

Speaker 2 6:07

Yes, the one that was Was he the basement or was Jeffrey Dahmer?

Speaker 1 6:10

No, that was Dahmer, was the fridge right.

Speaker 2 6:11

Yeah, he was the fridge, he was a freezer.

Speaker 3 6:13

John Langhese had so many bodies underneath his house the only way the reason he got caught was it was so hot outside. They all melted together and it started to stink.

Speaker 2 6:23

And they were buried, though, right.

Speaker 1 6:24

Yeah, in Cleveland right.

Speaker 2 6:26

There were so many bodies that they actually like melted. I'm not sure where. Oh, right here, yeah, the killer clown 33 teenage boys buried most of them in the crawl space of his home, and he died by execution.

Speaker 3 6:41

Was it John? I don't think so. There was a dude similar to John Wayne Gacy who would kill people, and he also owned like a burger shack.

Speaker 2 6:48

So was he a copycat, serial killer Kind of? There's that too it was just this.

Speaker 3 6:54

I just remember because it was like a fat dude who he would kill people and he had a burger shack and he would make them into the burgers and feed them to people.

Speaker 1 7:04

I've never heard of that one.

Speaker 2 7:05

Isn't that the movie Fried Green Tomatoes? No what, you should watch it, because I think I know where he got his idea. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 7:13

Well, there was Dean Corll was another one, he was called the Candyman. Oh and he murdered 28 young men and boys in Houston, houston. How did he die?

Speaker 2 7:21

I don't know. Young men and boys in Houston, houston, how did he die? I don't know. Do we know? So, jeffrey Dahmer, 17 men in Milwaukee. He liked to dismember them.

Speaker 3 7:35

And then, do stuff to them.

Speaker 2 7:36

Yeah, he was, I also watched the. He was beaten to death in jail. Karma, not enough karma, but whatever.

Speaker 1 7:46

Yeah, serial killers are cowards, obviously, obviously. Yeah, you're not going to stand up to some hardened drug cartel guy in prison.

Speaker 2 7:57

No, no, it's like a policeman going to prison. Yeah, good night, irene, you're going to die.

Speaker 1 8:03

Who's the one that appeared? He didn't appear in real life, but they talked about him in a Seinfeld episode, do you remember? And Seinfeld was afraid to go out of the house and he's kept that relationship with the woman because he didn't want to get killed by her.

Speaker 2 8:16

I don't recall that Joel Rifkin.

Speaker 1 8:19

He was a serial killer in New York, mostly women, and he killed 17 of them.

Speaker 2 8:26

That's a lot. Yeah, I mean not when you compare it to 250, but still 17 people. One is a lot 17 families and Ted Bundy in the 70s 30 women he executed what? Or 30 women he killed At least 30.

Speaker 1 8:42

Ted Bundy did.

Speaker 2 8:43

Ted Bundy yeah, he was executed.

Speaker 3 8:45

The only serial killers I don't see a problem with are Butter's parents in South Park.

Speaker 1 8:50

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 8:50

They kill a lot of people.

Speaker 1 8:52

That's cool.

Speaker 3 8:52

All for their son too.

Speaker 1 8:54

We'll get to that too, like entertainment.

Speaker 2 8:57

The entertainment part of it, because those are fun yeah.

Speaker 1 8:59

Who else you got on your list?

Speaker 2 9:00

I got lots.

Speaker 1 9:01

I shouldn't even have this money.

Speaker 2 9:02

I had to narrow my list down. I know that is sad, isn't it? I can't write all these people down.

Speaker 1 9:07

I had to narrow it down to the US and I was trying to find trends. I was like, excuse me. You were trying to psych them out, find trends and you know what I was using AI. Okay, trying to analyze the data. And AI gets a little sketchy. They don't want to tell you things because they think you're a serial killer perhaps.

Speaker 2 9:25

Yeah, you're in a copycat.

Speaker 1 9:26

It was like. You know don't try to make connections here because it could be just coincidence. I want to know what month we're most important, you know.

Speaker 2 9:35

Well, I did see some information.

Speaker 1 9:38

Oh, was it Pretty much May.

Speaker 2 9:40

May. So if you have a May birthday, stay away. Yeah, please.

Speaker 1 9:43

May. So if you have a May birthday, stay away. I do not, we're just kidding. I did see where somebody did a study about them left-handed?

Speaker 2 9:53

Are they left-handed? That was Bond.

Speaker 3 9:56

No, 20% of them were, but not enough to say, if you're left-handed, what I was going to say was it Samuel Little who would drive girls out in his car and he'd choke them and then, like, rape them and kill them?

Speaker 1 10:11

Probably, probably. Yeah, I think it was him. Sounds like a fun Saturday night there.

Speaker 2 10:16

Samuel, don't go out with a Samuel.

Speaker 1 10:18

No, born in May.

Speaker 2 10:19

Born in May. Who's left-handed? I think Sam. How about women? I was surprised there was, so I watched the movie Monster.

Speaker 1 10:28

About the woman.

Speaker 2 10:29

About the woman. Her name was Eileen Carol Wernos, something like that.

Speaker 1 10:39

She was born in Rochester.

Psychology of Serial Killers

Speaker 2 10:40

Michigan. But she was a prostitute. But she was a prostitute. They called her a highway prostitute. She just roamed the highways. I bet you, there's different classes, I think what happened was her first one, at least, towards the movie.

Speaker 3 10:55

How did she not get killed? She's a highway prostitute. She killed someone first.

Speaker 2 11:00

Yeah, I think the first time she killed someone it wasn't self-defense. And then she was like well, I can make some money on this. You know, she didn't have any money, she was destitute. She had a girlfriend she was trying to support. So then I think she just started killing people, luring them and kind of doing it as a revenge. Yeah, yeah. So she started in self-defense Goal power. Yay, there was more than one woman too, which surprised me, but it's predominantly men. No surprise there. And why? Why did they do it?

Speaker 1 11:41

They're sickos.

Speaker 2 11:42

Well, yeah, but why are they sickos?

Speaker 1 11:43

They say it's because the common threads are trauma, childhood trauma. But, you know what? There's a lot of people that have the same childhood trauma and they're not serial killers, Right.

Speaker 2 11:54

Why are they, and why are they not? That's true, but that can be a trigger.

Speaker 1 11:58

Sure sure. Revenge, you know if you're the kid who gets bullied all the time or abused all the time yes, that's the ultimate, I guess one thing I learned from murder mystery, the adam sandler movie.

Speaker 3 12:12

The three main motives are love, money and revenge.

Speaker 2 12:14

True very true I think that even with uh, that counts for any murder, not just just a Another thing that.

Speaker 1 12:27

IQ. Typically, folks think that they're so smart. They're not. They come from low IQ to high IQ. It's all in the middle, I think that.

Speaker 2 12:37

Well, here's what I wrote down, the warning signs. First of all, they start. It's not uncommon for them to start out as arsonists.

Speaker 3 12:46

Or they start off killing small things like animals.

Speaker 2 12:49

Yes, torturing animals, he would kill his rats, that's the next one Poor family life, childhood abuse we talked about that Substance abuse, voyeurism and intelligence. They usually are intelligent in an IQ way, not in a real world way?

Speaker 1 13:08

Sure, Obviously. Well, yeah, some of these dudes are charming Like ladies love.

Speaker 2 13:11

Ted Bundy, ted Bundy. There are people who say that they escaped from Ted Bundy because they didn't fall for his charms. Mm-hmm, and I looked at him and he's not that.

Speaker 3 13:22

Maybe for the 70s he was charming, but I think also it's kind of like a turn off when you find out he's a serial killer.

Speaker 1 13:30

No, some ladies like that.

Speaker 2 13:32

Look at the people who wanted to marry while in jail. That's sick.

Speaker 1 13:39

That's really strange.

Speaker 2 13:39

It's weird.

Speaker 1 13:40

I don't think that's normal how about Charles Manson.

Speaker 2 13:42

Is he a serial killer? He was on some of the lists.

Speaker 3 13:45

I'm like I don't think so Well, he had people do it, though, yeah.

Speaker 1 13:47

He didn't do it. He didn't do it. He did it, but he didn't do it. Yeah, he was the puppet master, he is. He's out of his mind. See a Charlie. What about, well? Go ahead, jovi, jovi, joni.

Speaker 2 14:05

Josie Jovi Okay.

Speaker 3 14:12

Jeffrey Dahmer. He was a homosexual or bi or something, I don't know, but he was charming to men Like he would be like oh, let's go back to my apartment, you know.

Speaker 1 14:21

and then take pictures of them and then, like, chop their heads off and do things to it. It's not good, wayne Williams was the child murderer in Atlanta. Oh yeah, he killed at least 23 of the 30 Atlanta child murder cases he was connected to, but he was only convicted on two counts. Only Was it enough to set him up the river forever Yep, what about the BTK killer? There's been a lot of stuff about that guy, dennis Rader.

Speaker 2 14:54

What about him?

Speaker 1 14:55

He murdered 10 people.

Speaker 2 14:56

How did he get the initials?

Speaker 1 14:58

Bind torture kill.

Speaker 2 15:00

Oh, because as a serial killer, you can't say those words.

Speaker 1 15:04

He started supposedly.

Speaker 2 15:07

I'm going to make up what's it called an acronym. Is it an acronym?

Speaker 1 15:12

He started in 74 and he didn't get caught until 91.

Speaker 2 15:15

Damn. So he probably killed a lot of people.

Speaker 1 15:18

Yeah, well, 10 is what it says there are probably more.

Speaker 3 15:20

Yeah, no matter what it says, there's probably more. Oh true.

Speaker 1 15:25

That's true. Child rapist and cannibal, oh, albert Fish, from 1924 to 1932. Wow, and then the guy Richard Chase, they called him the Vampire of Sacramento. He was only one year that they could find he murdered six people and he did nasty things to the corpses and ate them and drank the blood, things of that nature. Well, that they could find he murdered six people and he did nasty things to the corpses and ate them and drank the blood, things of that nature.

Speaker 3 15:48

Well, that's always comforting.

Speaker 2 15:49

Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 1 15:51

I mean there's a lot of them and I guess I probably shouldn't give you guys any and everybody has.

Speaker 2 15:55

You know, it sounds, I don't know, bad maybe, but all the serial killers seem to have a gimmick. Everybody's got a gimmick A. All the serial killers seem to have a gimmick. Everybody's got a gimmick A shtick. Yeah, you got a shtick.

Speaker 1 16:06

You got initials, you got a vampire, you got the Zodiac Killer.

Speaker 2 16:08

You got the Zodiac Killer. I tried to watch that movie but I couldn't.

Speaker 1 16:12

Is that the one with Jake Gyllenhaal?

Speaker 2 16:14

Yes, he is yeah.

Speaker 1 16:16

Ladies seem to like Jake Gyllenhaal.

Speaker 3 16:19

Is he ugly?

Speaker 1 16:20

What Donnie Darko?

Speaker 3 16:22

Oh no, he's hot.

Speaker 2 16:24

See the ladies love him.

Speaker 3 16:26

I didn't know that was his name.

Speaker 1 16:27

Wait, what's the other one, october Sky. He's been in a lot of movies.

Speaker 2 16:34

Yeah, he's in a lot of movies. He's not a serial killer, just to clarify. He plays one in the movie.

Speaker 1 16:38

He plays it pretty well. He did a great job. He's like the.

Speaker 3 16:40

Joker, who played his role for so long, he actually went insane.

Speaker 1 16:44

Heath Ledger.

Speaker 2 16:47

I think he had some stuff going on he had some drugs going on. Too bad too. He was great. I don't know if he ever played a serial killer, but no, what else you got there? I have fast fives for us, but I don't know how we're doing on time, because you have your paper over your phone.

Speaker 1 17:03

Oh no, Did I even start recording? I did. We have 13 minutes left.

Speaker 2 17:07

Oh, we got lots of time All right.

Speaker 1 17:09

Do we have any Ballyhoos? Shout outs.

Speaker 2 17:12

I do not Anything you want to say. Thanks, world.

Speaker 1 17:15

Thanks, world Jovi, you want to do a shout out to anybody?

Speaker 2 17:19

No, no, no, I guess that face is saying no.

Speaker 3 17:22

Shout out to all the serial killers that are listening to this yeah, we'll get you.

Speaker 2 17:28

We will catch you right now. Call in, yeah, call in, just.

Speaker 1 17:32

Scotty, get on the phone.

Speaker 2 17:33

You can email us at heroordick2023 at gmail and confess and we'll take care of you.

Speaker 1 17:41

Yep.

Speaker 2 17:41

Don't think we won't. We'll have you as a guest, oh speaking of and we'll take care of you. Yep, yeah, don't think we won't. We'll have you as a guest.

Speaker 1 17:45

We'll have you as a guest. Yeah, oh, speaking of she thought horribly that Brooke, my lovely bride that I mentioned once in a while on an episode.

Speaker 2 17:53

Every episode.

Speaker 1 17:54

She thought but warranted. Asked if we were murderers yesterday. Oh, yesterday, okay.

Speaker 3 18:01

Well, here's out on a trail that led to a water.

Speaker 1 18:04

The nature preserve over there, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 18:07

And I was tying my shoes, putting my shoes back on over at a rock, and all I heard Dad say was, yeah, and finding bodies. And I was like, if you guys are serial killers, murderers.

Speaker 1 18:15

just tell me, just tell me. I don't think that's what I said. I said I think I have to go potty.

Speaker 3 18:19

No, you didn't. You said finding bodies.

Speaker 1 18:22

And that was ketchup on my shirt, and we always take a shovel wherever we go.

Speaker 3 18:29

I guess it's normal for my dad to carry heavy tarps around his shoulder.

Speaker 2 18:33

Don't say stuff like that Rugs, in case you're going to roll up a body. Good lord Lie.

Speaker 1 18:42

No, we shouldn't joke about this, we're not joking yeah. I'm joking. We do everything at tongue in cheek, but it's terrible.

Speaker 2 18:49

It's horrible. Don't be a serial killer.

Speaker 1 18:51

No, stop it. If you're a serial killer right now, just stop it, stop it.

Speaker 2 18:57

Can we actually inspire someone to be a serial killer?

Speaker 1 18:59

No, we're not going to inspire anybody? They're already going to do it. No, we're not going to inspire anybody. They're already going to do it. No, we really don't. Speaking of inspirational things, though, what about some movies based on serial?

Speaker 2 19:07

killers. Well, I have fast five for you.

Speaker 1 19:09

Well, let's do it and get it going.

Speaker 2 19:11

Okay, so there are movies and TV shows about serial killers, which there's a shit ton of them, shit ton. How about? I don't know this one, but I'm hoping you guys do. It's on TV, mindhunter.

Speaker 1 19:25

Say it one more time Mindhunter.

Speaker 2 19:28

Why can't?

Speaker 1 19:29

I say that, no, I liked it. I liked it. I don't watch it.

Speaker 2 19:32

I can't say it. Mindhunter.

Speaker 1 19:36

What's that? Simulants.

Speaker 2 19:37

Simulants.

Speaker 1 19:39

That too, syphilis.

Speaker 2 19:40

Syphilis. Don't say that that wasn't a story.

Speaker 1 19:44

I'm reading Syphilis.

Speaker 2 19:45

That wasn't a story I'm reading.

Speaker 1 19:46

Syphilis.

Speaker 2 19:46

Yeah, what are you reading? No we don't know this one. I don't know it, but it's supposed to be great.

Speaker 1 19:55

Mind Hunter.

Speaker 2 19:58

Yes, it's all one word.

Speaker 1 20:00

Is it?

Speaker 2 20:01

on CBS? I don't know.

Speaker 1 20:03

Let's talk like that the rest of the episode. What do you say, Dan?

Speaker 2 20:06

I think it might be a British show, though, is it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 20:10

Oh, I don't like those, you love the Brits. I do. I don't dislike the Brits but I can't understand what they're saying.

Speaker 2 20:16

I like their shows.

Speaker 1 20:17

Wait, I watch everything with captions now. Well, the thing is.

Speaker 2 20:20

So do I.

Speaker 3 20:20

It's a love-hate relationship for me, because some of them are fine, but also, why can't you afford dental care?

Speaker 1 20:26

Oh my god, you can't say that. Well, they have.

Speaker 2 20:29

Universal now.

Speaker 1 20:30

Are you an anti-dentite?

Speaker 2 20:31

It's not as bad as the, as the Movies yeah, it's not like Austin Powers.

Speaker 1 20:39

That's not real. I do too.

Speaker 2 20:42

But his teeth aren't real.

Speaker 1 20:43

Okay, go back, mindhunter. How about Never heard of it?

Speaker 2 20:47

I have not watched it, I'm going to? Okay, yeah, we're going to watch it and report back. How about the movie Seven?

Speaker 1 20:54

Holy shit.

Speaker 2 20:56

It's a good one.

Speaker 1 20:57

Yeah, it's really good, mr Bradley.

Speaker 2 20:58

Pitt yeah, he's an attractive man. He is an attractive man. He plays one of his best roles in that, I think.

Speaker 1 21:06

Yeah, it's insane, and isn't Edward Norton? No, I'm thinking of Fight Club.

Speaker 2 21:10

No, you're thinking of Fight Club, but no.

Speaker 1 21:13

Morgan Morgan Freeman.

Speaker 2 21:15

What else is in there? I don't have to look, I can't remember.

Speaker 1 21:18

It doesn't matter, it was a good movie, I just saw Brad Pitt, that's all, and it was a Kevin Spacey. What's going on right now?

Speaker 2 21:27

Let's just name a bunch of people.

Speaker 1 21:28

Was Bill Cosby in that movie, just kidding.

Speaker 2 21:32

But it is a great movie and you have to watch it more than once.

Speaker 3 21:35

Yes, Because it's a little complicated.

Speaker 2 21:38

Okay, here's one. You guys know Dexter.

Speaker 1 21:41

Oh, man, of course Don't even.

Speaker 2 21:44

Probably the classic TV show about a serial killer, because you know, it's serial killer, and then he's got the big twist. And then every show there's a nice other little twist in there.

Speaker 1 21:56

Yeah, that's one of my all-time favorite shows. It was so creative. The reboot started out okay, but then that son thing I was done with it, then you know they jumped the shark. Yeah, yeah, fonzie, yeah, took that motorcycle out and jumped the shark.

Speaker 2 22:13

No, no, he was on water skis.

Speaker 1 22:15

That too.

Speaker 2 22:15

He jumped the shark, and that's where the show ended.

Speaker 1 22:17

He jumped stuff with that motorcycle, that's where the show ended. Speaking of Henry Winkler. Yeah, I love him, I'm going off topic because I do that he was on one of the latest episodes of Smartless. The one that shall not be named is one of the hosts.

Speaker 2 22:31

He is great.

Speaker 1 22:32

He is oddly positive, caring. I mean, if you could be like him for one day. I don't know if somebody could do it. It seems like he's like that all the time, Just a genuine dude, Like nice guy.

Speaker 2 22:45

I love him. We should all love him.

Speaker 1 22:48

Shout out to Henry Winkler hey. Henry, you're welcome on the show.

Speaker 2 22:51

Henry, good job. We should all be like you. You think he'd do the show, probably because he's a nice guy. Do you have his number? Yeah, or his email or something. I got it All right, get a hold of them. All right, we will do a whole show on Henry Winkler.

Speaker 1 23:08

Jovi, what'd you have to say?

Speaker 3 23:09

A good show is the Watcher, the Watcher.

Speaker 1 23:12

Is that a murder show?

Speaker 3 23:15

It's the one you and mom watched about the letters to the house.

Speaker 1 23:17

Oh, that is a good show. I don't know if it's still on Netflix.

Speaker 3 23:21

It's a Netflix original.

Speaker 1 23:22

It's really bizarre.

Speaker 3 23:23

Okay, it's very bizarre. The Watcher it seems so predictable, but the next thing.

Speaker 2 23:28

You know it's a twist. I love that. How about this movie? I don't know if you guys have seen American Psycho. Oh, shut up. That's a big yes. Oh, disgusting.

Speaker 1 23:40

Disgusting movie.

Speaker 3 23:42

I watched that with oh my gosh. You shouldn't be watching this stuff. I watched all this again, though.

Speaker 1 23:46

Yeah, see the custody. You shouldn't be watching this stuff. I watched all this in Kendall. That seemed a custody battle. This is what happens. Oh my God. One parent gets them and lets them do everything and I'm trying to run a tight ship.

Speaker 2 23:52

You can watch whatever you want.

Speaker 1 23:55

Yeah, that was a disturbing show. It was very disturbing, my son was watching it the other night.

Speaker 2 23:59

Really yeah, wait a minute, he's left-handed and was born in May.

Speaker 3 24:02

I know it's for the show, it's because Julian came out of the shower and he had his hair slipped back and I told him he looked like Patrick Bateman.

Speaker 1 24:12

He should have never done that.

Speaker 3 24:14

He was like what's that? And I was like it's from American Psycho. He's like, okay, I'm going to go watch it.

Speaker 1 24:18

And he did.

Speaker 2 24:19

Where is he right now?

Speaker 1 24:21

We don't know yeah, we don't know. Buying drill.

Speaker 3 24:24

He's watching Better Call Saul in his boat dockhouse.

Speaker 1 24:28

Oh yeah, don't, don't, can't give up the secrets.

Speaker 2 24:33

So, and we can't forget the classic movie and TV show of Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal.

Speaker 1 24:40

Disgusting as well. Good one, though, silence of the Lambs movie was a great movie.

Speaker 2 24:44

Well, somebody wrecked it. Who wrecked it? Somebody keeps mentioning it. Who wrecked it? Somebody keeps mentioning it.

Speaker 1 24:50

Oh, and then the TV show is.

Speaker 2 24:53

Hannibal.

Speaker 1 24:54

Which I've never watched. A TV show, I haven't either.

Speaker 2 24:57

The movie was disturbingly.

Speaker 1 25:00

Jodie Foster.

Speaker 2 25:01

What's that guy's name?

Speaker 1 25:02

Anthony Hopkins.

Speaker 2 25:03

Sir oh.

Speaker 1 25:08

We got the buzz back.

Speaker 2 25:10

You got too excited over Anthony Hopkins.

Speaker 1 25:12

I got so excited about Sir Anthony Hopkins that I jacked my mic, and now it's buzzing. There we go, now we're back.

Speaker 2 25:20

Okay.

Speaker 1 25:21

Oh, the buzzing's there. I'm sorry everybody, you might not be able to hear it.

Speaker 2 25:26

Okay, that's the five movies and TV shows I have. Was there any others that? You wanted to add to that. Did we talk about.

Speaker 1 25:33

Zodiac.

Speaker 2 25:35

Well, you're just making it worse.

Speaker 1 25:36

I'm sorry, zodiac, did you watch that one?

Speaker 2 25:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1 25:40

A long time ago. Oh, you talked about it Jake Gyllenhaal and then Monster.

Speaker 2 25:44

Yep, well, I started watching it.

Speaker 1 25:48

Seven.

Speaker 2 25:49

Seven Love it.

Speaker 1 25:50

And I couldn't find a whole lot of books. I wanted to find more about Chicks that Kill, and I couldn't find it.

Speaker 2 25:56

About chicks. What are you laughing at? There's a couple other ones.

Speaker 1 25:59

What Chicks that Kill?

Speaker 2 26:00

No, no no, no, that sounds like a good movie though.

Speaker 3 26:03

Is that?

Speaker 2 26:03

a movie I would watch that.

Speaker 3 26:05

But anyway, a good TV show that my parents can't stand because they have a weak stomach is Santa Clarita Diet on Netflix, the one I watched.

Speaker 2 26:13

The what you ever watch, that I have not, but. I think the last time you were here, we were talking about it.

Speaker 1 26:19

I think I also said one of the funniest scenes ever I've ever seen in a show is when that guy is looking at a bookcase. They're going over to someone's house a Nazi to murder him, and they don't know he's a Nazi, right. And he's looking at this bookcase and all along the bookcase are these Nazi memorabilia, swastikas, terrible things. He's like look at this. What the Wow? Isn't this woodwork beautiful? He's looking at them and pretty soon, all of a sudden, he goes what the fuck is that? But wow, that one scene.

Speaker 3 26:48

It's so funny. It's so funny, but then all of a sudden, like you see blood everywhere. It's really good, so go look at it.

Speaker 1 26:56

What's that one called?

Speaker 3 26:57

Santa Clarita Diet.

Speaker 2 26:59

Okay, because there's another one where Al Pacino's in it and it was on Netflix I can't think of the name of it and they had a group of people that they got together I can't think of the name of it and they had a group of people that they got together and it was like in the 70s and they'd find Nazis were hiding out and they'd kill them.

Speaker 1 27:15

Oh no, this is funny actually.

Speaker 2 27:18

It's serious. What that didn't sound funny to you.

Speaker 1 27:22

I'm sorry it kind of does. Oh Christ, all right, we have a few minutes left so we can talk about whatever. Oh Christ, all right, we have a few minutes left so we can talk about whatever. Oh, what do we say? Hero or dick on serial killers.

Speaker 2 27:32

Oh, my God Hero.

Speaker 1 27:35

Don't say that.

Speaker 2 27:36

I'm kidding. Well, of course they're dicks.

Speaker 1 27:39

Dick.

Speaker 2 27:40

But they do give us some good movies and TV shows, they're still dicks.

Speaker 1 27:45

And it's fascinating. Unfortunately, I know, just like Dateline mbc or forensic files sucked into those what is it?

Speaker 2 27:54

uh, what's the channel I e, or? I id yeah yeah, it's like well, I'll just watch this one, and then three days later you're like oh my god, we're all gonna die because my neighbors are all murderers how many many are around.

Speaker 1 28:07

They say that any time there can be dozens walking around, right, you know what it wasn't serial killers, but this scary statistic said.

Speaker 2 28:17

it has been said that the average person can unknowingly walk past 36 murderers in their lifetime. That's too many, not serial killers but murderers still. That makes it so Not serial killers, but murderers still.

Speaker 3 28:29

That makes it so much better.

Speaker 2 28:30

I know.

Speaker 1 28:32

That's messed up.

Speaker 2 28:33

Then it wasn't as scary when it's just, oh just, murderers. You only killed one person.

Speaker 1 28:37

So then you add in molesters, murderers and all the other nasties, oh my God, everybody's horrible. Except that person on the motorcycle. Yeah, he's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 28:46

He's a murderer, especially since he was riding without a helmet. He seems so awesome.

Speaker 2 28:50

He's going to kill himself.

Speaker 1 28:52

Organ donor.

Speaker 2 28:54

All right. So what do you say, Jovi?

Speaker 3 28:56

Oh dick obviously.

Speaker 1 28:57

Yeah, well, we got one minute left. So do you want to reflect on anything? Do we want to talk about our journey in life? Have you been doing some more welding?

Speaker 2 29:09

I have not welded lately. Probably in the fall I'll get back into it.

Speaker 1 29:12

Let's give that guy a Ballyhoo or a shout out.

Speaker 2 29:14

Oh, yeah, hey, Tom Moran Tom.

Speaker 1 29:16

Moran.

Speaker 2 29:16

Thank you for teaching me welding. I love it. It's going to be my lifelong hobby there you go. And I made some beautiful things.

Speaker 1 29:25

Yeah, you did.

Speaker 2 29:26

I did.

Speaker 1 29:27

I saw some of them. Oh, I showed Jovi some pictures too. But yeah, this dude's multi-talented, he educates people. He's got a nice business going up there in Onaway.

Speaker 2 29:37

He made a beautiful sculpture for the Onaway 4th of July parade and it will permanently be located on the corner of 23 and Johnson. Probably by September, I think, they'll have it set so you can see it there.

Speaker 1 29:53

And I actually went to Northwood University for my son's orientation and I sent Kate a picture. I was walking around in their little courtyard and there was a nice sculpture he had done and donated there.

Speaker 2 30:03

So that was really cool. Yeah, we're all over.

Speaker 1 30:06

And one more thing, because I want to try to talk about people in the community in a positive way.

Speaker 2 30:12

Yes, not in a serial killer kind of way.

Speaker 1 30:15

But this guy. I needed some concrete work done and I contacted at least six places. One of them emailed me back because they found it in their junk mail. Nobody called me back, even when I called and asked them to call me back. But this guy I got from word of mouth. His name is Mike Mullaney and he has his own Mullaney excavating in concrete or masonry. I'm sorry and I'll tell you what top notch Showed up when he said he was going to show up, got the work done when he said he was going to get it done and he followed up afterwards, which was really cool.

Speaker 2 30:45

And what's his name?

Speaker 1 30:46

again Mike Mullaney.

Speaker 2 30:47

Thank you, Mike Mullaney. I saw the truck saw parked in front of your house, I remember like.

Speaker 1 30:53

He was burying the bodies for me, putting the concrete over it.

Speaker 2 30:57

So he dug up the bodies, got rid of them.

Speaker 3 31:00

Even like you had just told me that we were going to get it done finally. And I look out the window and they had already started on it and they finished it in a couple days.

Speaker 1 31:10

So if you're looking for, work of that nature. There's just a few dudes doing it Three guys, because it's hard to find good service these days.

Speaker 2 31:19

It's true and it matters. I want to give Chris a shout out.

Speaker 1 31:23

Oh boy, we're really giving everybody a shout out, chris down at Alpena Auto Care, car Care sorry, over around the corner of Washington and Ripley.

Speaker 3 31:31

Oh, okay, what was that? I'm getting my brakes done.

Speaker 1 31:34

Brakes and a wheel bearing.

Speaker 3 31:35

Yeah, and we were going to take my car down to Sheboygan and actually get it done. At what, cornelius the Toyota?

Speaker 1 31:41

Yeah, oh, don't knock them, I'm not dealership, they know that they're.

Speaker 3 31:45

They didn't order my stuff on time so they canceled our appointment and we told Chris and he ordered the stuff from my Like the parts from my car, like a week in advance before the appointment.

Speaker 1 31:55

Well, and I do want to clarify For Nelia, it's been good to us. I bought several cars, but what happened was their mechanic, apparently the only one that could work on that car. His wife had a baby, so everything that we've got pushed out, but still you should have other people to do the work.

Speaker 2 32:10

It would be nice but, as you just said, good help is hard to find.

Speaker 1 32:13

Exactly so. I don't want to knock them and I've been trying to buy a GR Supra from them for about four years and they can't hook me up.

Speaker 2 32:20

Okay, well, congratulations on the baby.

Speaker 1 32:22

Yeah, congratulations on the baby, but good job to Chris down there.

Speaker 2 32:25

Thank you.

Speaker 3 32:25

Chris.

Speaker 1 32:26

And we don't have any sponsors. Thank you.

Speaker 3 32:28

Cornelius Mechanic, I mean not. Thank you, congratulations.

Speaker 2 32:32

Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 32:33

Congratulations, yes.

Speaker 2 32:34

Having a baby Anyway well, we should probably wrap it up before we get sued. All right, Thanks everybody.

Speaker 1 32:42

Thank you.

Speaker 2 32:42

Talk to you next time.

Speaker 1 32:43

You want to say goodbye, Josie.

Speaker 2 32:45

Jody.