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Hero or Dick - S2, Ep. 19 - The Simpsons

November 19, 2024 • Kate & KJ • Season 2 • Episode 19

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Curious about how a yellow family from Springfield transformed the landscape of animated comedy forever? Join us for a nostalgic trip through The Simpsons' storied history, exploring its remarkable transition from The Tracy Ullman Show to becoming one of the most influential series in television history.

Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick!

~ Kate & KJ

Discussion on the Simpsons Legacy

Speaker 1 0:00

Hello.

Speaker 2 0:01

Hi, greetings and salutations. Welcome to another episode, season two, episode 19 on.

Speaker 1 0:08

November 19th, 2024.

Speaker 2 0:12

And we're broadcasting from 119 West Washington.

Speaker 1 0:17

Avenue.

Speaker 2 0:17

Horse Feather Studio.

Speaker 1 0:19

Here we're a dick. This is KJ 19 is not a dick. Today, apparently, it's a girl. Everything's 19, whether you want it to be or not.

Speaker 2 0:29

Oh, we should have started at 119, but we're at 117 pm.

Speaker 1 0:32

Let's pretend we did.

Speaker 2 0:34

On my lunch break. Here we go.

Speaker 1 0:36

Okay, all right, and our topic today is Donuts. Simpsons.

Speaker 2 0:44

Homer likes donuts.

Speaker 1 0:45

Who doesn't like donuts? Remember the one where Homer this is going to happen a lot. Remember the one where Homer's head was a donut.

Speaker 2 0:54

No.

Speaker 1 0:55

He couldn't stop eating himself.

Speaker 2 0:57

Homer's just like.

Speaker 1 0:58

Homer, stop eating yourself. And he's like but Marge, I'm so sweet and tasty, you know you're not going to like this.

Speaker 2 1:08

I really haven't watched much Simpsons. You know who has. I should have had her on the show, brooke.

Speaker 1 1:14

Oh, Brooke, where are you? I need you?

Speaker 2 1:16

Yeah, she's working, and every year she gets a Simpsons calendar.

Speaker 1 1:19

Oh does she? Yeah, I have to say at first I kind of balked at the Simpsons when they came out. They were actually up against the Cosby Show, which was hugely popular then, and it was before we knew that Bill Cosby was a rapist.

Speaker 2 1:37

Oh, he was.

Speaker 1 1:38

Yeah, I didn't know that. I mean, I think he was at that time. We just didn't know.

Speaker 2 1:42

I thought he just liked giving drinks to women.

Speaker 1 1:44

Well, yeah, laced with breakfast, oh yeah. So anyway, he was still, you know, he was still just a comedian who was funny and had this cute family on NBC. And then the Simpsons came up against him and I remember there was a big debate which family do you choose? I was like, I don't know, I kind of like the Cosby kids, the sweaters. Yeah, the sweaters alone, they're great.

Speaker 2 2:12

Malcolm Jamal Warner. Yes, felicia Rashad. Now we're getting on the Cosbys and stuff.

Speaker 1 2:19

Lisa Bonet Yep, who always has a hot husband.

Speaker 2 2:24

And then what about?

Speaker 1 2:26

Raven.

Speaker 2 2:26

Tempest Bledsoe.

Speaker 1 2:28

Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 2:29

Yeah, that was the girl, the girl, and then Rudy was.

Speaker 1 2:34

Raven, I don't know Raven, simone, one of them is Raven. Yeah, you're right? Well, look at that, yeah, so apparently you know a lot about the Cosby show. You were watching the Cosby show when everybody else was watching the Simpsons. That's how it went for me, and at first I was like I don't know about the Simpsons. But once you start watching them you know they have something for everybody and they are not afraid to make fun of everything, and themselves too.

Speaker 2 3:02

Kind of like a South Park, but not as raunchy yeah, South Park is. Disturbing.

Speaker 1 3:12

They have their own qualities and I know people really love them too. They're good, but they probably wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the Simpsons Right, I agree. Oh yeah, totally that's what I mean. A lot of cartoons actually probably wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the Simpsons.

Speaker 2 3:23

Right, I agree, oh yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 3:25

That's what I mean. A lot of cartoons actually probably wouldn't be around, like I think that South Park probably learned Bob's Burgers yeah, it's not the same, anything like that it's not the same. Yeah, I think the Simpsons were the beginning of it. When was their first show? It was aired on oh my God, no, that's not right their first episode of 1119, but that's not right. It aired in February of 92. Okay, but they were first on the Tracy Allman show before that.

Speaker 2 3:58

In 87.

Speaker 1 3:59

They were short and they're very crudely drawn, but that's what they evolved into. So they've been around since 92. That's 30-plus years. Yeah, that's a long time. It is a long time.

Speaker 2 4:10

It's still going right. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 4:13

The longest-running primetime animated comedy, which that's pretty damn specific. I think they're one of the longest-running comedy shows.

Speaker 2 4:26

It's good to do that, because the actors don't age or die.

Speaker 1 4:29

They don't. They don't. So you don't have to worry about that. Conan O'Brien was a writer on that show he was, there was a whole bunch of writers who? Well, let's see Conan Matt Groening. So he's the creator and the billionaire.

Speaker 2 4:49

Homer's what. I think in his hair the M and the G show up somewhere and he must be just a billionaire, just some merchandise alone yeah true, and they're big everywhere.

Speaker 1 5:03

They're not just big here. When we were in the UK, there's Simpsons stuff everywhere, everywhere.

Speaker 2 5:10

Bigger than Mickey Mouse. Maybe, maybe, but probably not Do they have a theme park, a Simpsons theme park.

Speaker 1 5:21

I don't know, google it.

Speaker 2 5:23

I can't use my phone right now.

Speaker 1 5:25

Here's some other writers Dan Castaneda he also plays Homer. He was a writer, greg Daniels, who wrote them for the Office Parks and Rec. King of the Hill. Conan O'Brien. Bill Odenkirk, brother of Bob Odenkirk, also known for Futurama.

Speaker 2 5:47

Futurama.

Speaker 1 5:48

I like Futurama, but again, that wouldn't be around without the Simpsons. So, and we all know the opening when they come out, do, do, do, do, do do, do do, do, do do. And go through everything and go through everything, even that, every time what Bart is writing on the chalkboard, that's always different. Lisa's little ditty that she's playing on the sax always different. The couch scene always different.

Speaker 2 6:20

Is it really?

Speaker 1 6:21

So it's not like they're resting on their laurels, I mean they're keeping it fresh they're keeping it fresh and they do a lot of timely things, like the Game of Thrones, and then they had, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 6:34

They've even talked about Star Wars, bitcoin and crypto. Have they the Fink coin?

Speaker 1 6:39

Is that what they called it, the Fink?

Speaker 2 6:40

coin Yep, and they actually had the guy from Big Bang Theory on there as a character and he did a short description about cryptocurrency and blockchain.

Speaker 1 6:52

Oh See, they're very informative too. What was I supposed to Google?

Speaker 2 7:00

Well, when they started, no.

Speaker 1 7:02

No, what was it? You told me to do it and I said no, I know.

Speaker 2 7:05

Oh, if they're bigger than Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 1 7:07

Oh no, Forget it Okay.

Speaker 2 7:12

But is it true that they've predicted things?

Speaker 1 7:15

It is true, something's not good. What, what? The obvious, yeah, and then they did it.

Speaker 2 7:26

That's right. I haven't talked to you since then. We won't do it.

Speaker 1 7:30

We won't do it. No, we won't give anybody airtime. So let's see, we got the Homer. Marge, bart, Lisa, maggie are the main characters.

Speaker 2 7:41

Who are the dogs? What's her dog's name?

Speaker 1 7:43

I don't know Santa's little helper don't know.

Speaker 2 7:46

Santa's Little Helper.

Speaker 1 7:47

Oh, shit, yeah. So that's what I think the first Christmas episode is how they get Santa's Little Helper. He's a dog track reject. His odds are 99 to 1. And what's her cat's name?

Speaker 2 8:01

I don't know.

Speaker 1 8:02

You know nothing about the Santa's. I wasn't lying. You know nothing about the Simpsons.

Speaker 2 8:04

I wasn't lying.

Speaker 1 8:06

Well, you kind of picked up any?

Speaker 2 8:08

Oh wait, you know, I'll see if I can get my notes.

Speaker 1 8:11

I don't know if I can do this though the cat's name is Snowball, and then there's a second one called Snowball 2.

Speaker 2 8:19

Snowball 2?.

Speaker 1 8:20

Snowball 2. Who are their neighbors?

Speaker 2 8:24

I don't know the Jetsons.

Speaker 1 8:25

Nah, they were before them. You know the Flanders.

Speaker 2 8:30

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's a Maude? And?

Speaker 1 8:32

Ned.

Speaker 2 8:33

Ned and Maude.

Speaker 1 8:33

Ned and Maude. Maude died she died. Maude and Todd. Oh, my favorite, one of my favorite episodes is when Bart and Lisa actually Marge and Homer are deemed unfit parents so they have to go live at the Flanders and they're having nachos Flanders style, and they're cucumbers with tomatoes on them.

Speaker 2 8:58

You love that. I do have my notes.

Speaker 1 9:02

Oh, okay. What would you like to add at this point?

Speaker 2 9:04

I don't know what are we talking about? The neighbors?

Speaker 1 9:06

The neighbors.

Speaker 2 9:08

I don't have anything about that.

Speaker 1 9:09

And then how about the other? Well, I was just looking at the outline characters. You got your main ones, of course, and then Marge's family. She had a mom, and then she's got her smoking sisters, patty and Selma. They like to smoke.

Speaker 2 9:26

It sounds like they're smokers?

Speaker 1 9:27

They are smokers. And who's the owner of the nuclear plant? I don't know.

Speaker 2 9:35

Hold on. I don't know.

Speaker 1 9:37

Montgomery Burns.

Speaker 2 9:39

Yes, Mr Burns.

Speaker 1 9:40

He owns Springfield pretty much, and who is his bootlick? Is that a? I think it's a suit Okay.

Speaker 2 9:48

Anyway. So I thought there was a mouse shirt on the desk Is he.

Speaker 1 9:53

What now? Who is Montgomery Burns' bootlick? I don't know what's a bootlick. What's?

Speaker 2 9:56

a bootlick. I don't know what's a bootlick?

Speaker 1 9:58

What's a bootlick? You've never had anyone lick in your boots.

Speaker 2 10:02

That's like an ass kisser Only nicer terms.

Speaker 1 10:07

Montgomery Burns is his bootlick. I mean Waylon Smithers.

Speaker 2 10:13

Oh yeah, they got the glasses and the mustache.

Speaker 1 10:16

Yeah, I don't think he has a mustache.

Speaker 2 10:22

Oh really yeah he's just the smithers. He's white, white guy.

Speaker 1 10:24

Well, they're all yellow oh does that have any ethnicity on that show? Yeah, they got a poo a what a poo is running the store, okay, and then, um, he, carl, I think is his black friend who he works with at the plant. Carl, and I can't think of the other guy's name.

Speaker 2 10:44

Now, how has that changed over the years? Did it always? You know what I mean? Did they add any customers characters that were.

Speaker 1 10:54

You know, they kind of come and go, don't they? I mean they have you know, grandpa's always there. Yeah, he's never going to die. No, although Maude died so.

Speaker 2 11:04

I wonder why they got rid of Maude. She's a bitch, might be in my notes.

Speaker 1 11:10

And how about Krusty and Sideshow Bob?

Speaker 2 11:13

How about them?

Speaker 1 11:14

They're scary.

Speaker 2 11:15

Yeah.

Speaker 1 11:15

Mm-hmm and funny. And did you know?

Speaker 2 11:19

I didn't, obviously, you could ask me.

Speaker 1 11:21

And you're going to say no.

Speaker 2 11:23

Go ahead.

Speaker 1 11:24

That Krusty was supposed to be Homer's secret identity. So when you look at them, side by side they look almost exactly the same and that's why.

Speaker 1 11:35

And then they kind of gave that up. How about my other favorite uh characters, cletus the slack jog yokel, whose wife brandine says to him you're the best husband slash son I ever had. I like that it's. Uh, probably shouldn't thank him, but it's funny. And of course their Christmas episodes are always fun. But their main thing you have to watch is the Halloween Treehouse of Horrors episode. They're all wonderful.

Speaker 2 12:12

I think I need to start watching the show.

Speaker 1 12:14

Yeah, did you ever hear of it? It's called Simpsons.

Speaker 2 12:19

I have. I do have a few things.

Speaker 1 12:22

I contribute. Okay, first let me say this uh, first I got a shout out, not shut out, but a ballyhoo to cassidy because she did not did call me out on, uh, the halloween episode for not mentioning the Simpsons Treehouse of Horrors. Oh, shoot, and she is absolutely correct, sorry. And also the Exorcist, but I debate that one. We're terrible, but one of Cletus's kids he has 44 of them is named Crystal, math, ah, and also one is named Cassidy oh, look at that. There's also Cody, okay, what do you know?

Speaker 2 13:03

Well, you know, bart, I do, he does those prank calls, he does and he calls it's Most Tavern.

Speaker 1 13:10

Most Tavern.

Speaker 2 13:11

You know, those are inspired by a real life group, the two Bart tapes. So basically Bart is referencing real life, prank calls that were done by this group.

Speaker 1 13:23

You used to be able to do them because there was a caller ID. So, you could call somebody and say is your refrigerator running?

Speaker 2 13:31

If so, no, yes, it is.

Speaker 1 13:33

And then you say sorry, I don't know why don't you go chase it or something I can't even remember.

Speaker 2 13:40

Matt Groening. He actually appeared as a guest in the Simpsons movie. He played himself during a Springfield mob scene.

Speaker 1 13:46

Oh, I like the Simpsons movie. Yeah, I thought it was fun.

Speaker 2 13:50

And that talks about the predictions. Again, I thought that was pretty cool. They predicted some presidencies, one of them Disney acquiring Fox smartwatches and even the COVID pandemic.

Speaker 1 14:01

Oh, they did have a COVID pandemic. So I say Sad. Real life doppelgangers. Of the Simpsons.

Speaker 2 14:13

Yeah, fans have spotted real life people that actually look like the groundskeeper, willie and even Homer.

Speaker 1 14:20

Big deal that's sad for those people. I like Groundskeeper Willie though.

Speaker 2 14:25

Frank Coin, not Fink Coin, frank Frank.

Speaker 1 14:28

Frank Frank.

Speaker 2 14:30

F-R-I-N-K. Frank Coin. That's what it was called, not Fink Coin, sorry. Well, there's jokes.

Speaker 1 14:37

Apparently in the background there's gags, yeah if you look in the background, there's always something going on and, depending on who the writers were, which, they were all really good, because if you watch an episode, you have, like, the main laughs, sure, but then there's so many one-liners and side laughs that you almost have to watch it numerous times.

Speaker 2 14:58

I like having to watch stuff multiple times.

Speaker 1 15:00

Oh, put it on repeat. It's on Hulu.

Speaker 2 15:03

On Hulu. Do you have Hulu? I do. Do you have Apple TV?

Speaker 1 15:07

No.

Speaker 2 15:07

Do you have Netflix? No, you should see Kate today. Everybody. We have a little heating thing going on here.

Speaker 1 15:13

I am a kind of bumblebee. She has four sweatshirts?

Speaker 2 15:17

No, I don't know. She's wearing a coat, a scarf and moon boots.

Speaker 1 15:21

I don't have moon boots on, but I wish I did. Those are nice boots, these are nice, they're spears.

Speaker 2 15:26

They're seal.

Speaker 1 15:27

Speary oh no, they're not seal.

Speaker 2 15:31

She's got boots made out of baby seals.

Speaker 1 15:32

Baby seals.

Speaker 2 15:34

Controversial moments. What you can answer these probably. What about the principal and the pauper that episode? The principal was an imposter named Armin Tasmaren.

Speaker 1 15:46

Okay, I remember that episode, principal Skinner.

Speaker 2 15:49

People didn't like that. Oh, they didn't. Did you like it? I don't remember. And then that guy you're talking about, Apu.

Speaker 1 15:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 15:56

Some controversy there. They say that you know stereotypes.

Speaker 1 16:00

They do kind of stereotype.

Speaker 2 16:03

He was actually sidelined for a little bit. Oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 16:07

Michael Jackson. He was on the show a couple times they pulled that episode. Why? Because of his.

Speaker 2 16:17

It said season three episode Stark Raving Dad. Why? Because it said season 3 episode stark raving dad featuring. Michael Jackson was removed after allegations that the singer resurfaced in. Oh, because, you know, because he had some stuff, some allegations against him. Yeah but anyway there's a lot of different ones.

Speaker 1 16:35

Both the voice actor pay disputes and I think if you have that many episodes, it's kind of like you know the Beatles having that many songs, can every one of them be great and uncontroversial? No, you have 500 songs. One of them's going to suck. So Simpsons episodes same thing You've got on 30 years. Not all of them are going to be glory.

Speaker 2 16:56

Right? Did you know that the number 64 recurs in various episodes? Why, I don't know. They say that it's just to give a nod to Matt Groening's fascination with numbers and puzzles. And then God and Jesus Only have five.

Speaker 1 17:09

They have five fingers. Everybody else has four.

Speaker 2 17:12

So how do you like that? Well, I guess I'll let you know when I see God. If I see God, maybe you'll see the other guy.

Speaker 1 17:20

Or Jesus. Did you know that in Arabic the Simpsons have a version and Homer is Omer and instead of duff beer he drinks soda? Oh, so they adapted. Yeah, matt is also the voice behind Maggie's sucking sound.

Speaker 2 17:41

I hate that.

Speaker 1 17:43

Does that bug you? I don't like to see a kid with a pacifier. I know they work. Sometimes I like to see them with a pacifier but sometimes Maggie is the only one who gets away with it.

Speaker 1 17:55

She's still young enough. She can do it. She's not like 10. The other record that the Simpsons hold is the Guinness World Book of Records for most guest stars on a TV series, because they've had everybody and we'll get to those in a minute and lots of writers. How about not that you've watched them, but do you have a favorite episode?

Speaker 2 18:21

No, I don't.

Speaker 1 18:25

Thanks for your honesty.

Speaker 2 18:25

I can't think of one.

Speaker 1 18:29

I will give you one and it will be, I think it's Snow White. E-i-e-i-doe Damn it.

Speaker 2 18:36

And in this one.

Speaker 1 18:38

They make a tomato, they hybrid a tomato that has tobacco in it, oh, and so everybody wants to keep eating it, sure, and so that's their claim to fame. E-i-e-i-dough that's another thing. Dough was just made up. It wasn't written down like that, that's just the noise that whoever does Homer can't remember. Homer is by, oh my gosh, dan, castellia, castellia, something like that. My favorite favorite episode is Lisa's a Vegetarian oh with Paul McCartney. Oh, see, you have seen it.

Speaker 2 19:29

Parts of stuff I've seen.

Speaker 1 19:31

Yes, and so, paul. They asked Paul McCartney and Linda was alive then and would you do the show? And they said yes, as long as you make Lisa not only a vegetarian, but she has to stay a vegetarian. Through the rest of the series, through the rest of the show.

Speaker 2 19:49

Wow.

Speaker 1 19:49

So that's why Lisa's still a vegetarian.

Speaker 2 19:52

That's a big ask.

Speaker 1 19:53

Well, it's Paul McCartney asking. You can tell him no, I would have said listen, paul I think he had five fingers.

Speaker 2 20:00

Maybe the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 20:05

No, they said sure, mccartney, whatever you're saying. So lisa's a vegetarian and, um, if you remember that one, it has so many one-liners in there. Lisa's trying to get the neighborhood to eat and um, she brings us. She brings out borscht, which old stupid Barney the Drunkard yells go back to Russia. And then she brings out salad and they start a conga line and they're singing. You can't make friends with salad. You can't make friends with salad. I think this is the most I've sung on the show ever.

Speaker 2 20:38

You're really belting it out today. You should be on the Voice.

Speaker 1 20:41

But then Lisa meets up with Paul and Linda and they let her know she's doing okay, you can be a vegetarian and in the meantime Homer's trying to cook a turkey, I believe on the grill and he's putting lighter fluid on it and he does what everybody does with lighter fluid Put a little bit. Is that enough?

Speaker 1 21:00

No, put a little bit more, I better put a little bit more, I better put a little bit more. And he uses the whole can up and then when he lights it, you see like a nuclear blast, somehow the turkey goes flying too, and he is yelling. It's still good, it's still good. So if you're going to watch any Simpsons, watch that one. That one, and it's early on. It's like season four, simpsons. Watch that one and it's early on. It's like season four or six, does it?

Speaker 2 21:24

matter where you pick up.

Speaker 1 21:25

You think no, but some things are timely. Some things are like Star Wars or Game of Thrones or whatever is popular or else is popular in the world and on TV and I guess if there's themes running throughout the show, from the very beginning.

Speaker 2 21:45

If you start in the middle, you might not get all those things.

Speaker 1 21:49

Maybe, but I think you can pick up on it.

Speaker 2 21:51

Why do you think it's not? You probably got more there.

Speaker 1 21:54

I just have our past five ready. Oh wait, I'm not done, okay.

Speaker 2 21:57

I want to talk about that a little bit, because the Simpsons it's not like it's. I mean, it's intelligent, it's written by some smart people.

Speaker 1 22:03

Yeah, it is, yep.

Speaker 2 22:05

But do you think that's the appeal?

Speaker 1 22:08

I think, because a lot of people can relate to it, whether you know, yes, they are the extreme, homer is the extreme, but people can still relate to that, you know.

Speaker 2 22:20

Why do you think Marge sticks with him?

Speaker 1 22:22

I don't know Love. She must love him.

Speaker 2 22:26

I don't know, oh, yeah, I remember that one.

Speaker 1 22:28

There's more than one. Where she leaves him, she goes back. Oh homie.

Speaker 2 22:36

I don't know, I don't know Bart Skateboarding around.

Speaker 1 22:42

He's got all the catchphrases Butterfingers. What are his catchphrases? I carumba.

Speaker 2 22:49

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 22:49

Eat my shorts, that one Don't have a cow. Yes, man, thank you for filling in that blank. Why do you say Butterfinger?

Speaker 2 22:59

Because Isn't he a Butterfinger guy, spokesman for Butterfinger, butterfinger?

Speaker 1 23:03

I't he a Butterfinger guy Spokesman for Butterfinger.

Speaker 2 23:04

I don't know Where's Nathan he's supposed to lick this stuff up. Oh Bart. We gotta grow our staff.

Speaker 1 23:11

And then Maggie I love her too.

Speaker 2 23:13

Yeah, she's like the voice of reason, is she not?

Speaker 1 23:17

Without having a voice. Yeah, she is. Anybody else you want to mention?

Speaker 2 23:26

I'm just thinking. I want to watch the Christmas episodes now.

Speaker 1 23:29

I like the Christmas episodes.

Speaker 2 23:30

Because you know that's coming up.

Speaker 1 23:33

I don't know. They probably have Thanksgiving one. You should watch the Treehouse of Horror one. Those are the best. A lot of times they take off on classics and then they have their own version of everything. They're funny, they're very clever, very clever. I bet you could just run those. Do you have Hulu? No, well, you better get it. I don't know where else it runs. I mean it's probably on regular TV.

Speaker 2 24:02

YouTube TV. We've got too much. I've got to get rid of something. Yeah, commercials. I don't know where else it runs.

Speaker 1 24:04

I mean it's probably on regular TV, youtube TV. We've got too much, I've got to get rid of something.

Speaker 2 24:07

Yeah, commercials, I don't like those anymore. What?

Speaker 1 24:08

YouTube TV. No commercials.

Speaker 2 24:10

Oh, there's, commercials on there.

Speaker 1 24:11

So here is a sampling that we're going to do. These are guest stars. Of course you know Paul McCartney. We're not counting him. He, of course you know Paul McCartney, we're not counting him. He was probably their biggest guest star, but how about you can tell me if you think this guest star is a hero or a dick? Oh boy, leonard Nimoy.

Speaker 2 24:32

Hero.

Speaker 1 24:32

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 24:34

Why not?

Speaker 1 24:34

He played in 1993, so early on.

Speaker 2 24:38

He's kind of a neat dude.

Speaker 1 24:39

Marge versus the monorail. Yeah, I think he's dead now. How about Glenn Close? I don't want to like her Dick, some kind of actress or something, I don't know.

Speaker 2 24:53

She's very talented.

Speaker 1 24:55

Is she?

Speaker 2 24:56

She's got to be no.

Speaker 1 24:58

Because her name is Glenn.

Speaker 2 25:00

What is she in? Was she in that?

Speaker 1 25:01

Out of Africa thing. Is that her?

Speaker 2 25:06

Was she in that?

Speaker 1 25:08

That don't matter, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 25:09

Maybe we should do an episode about her.

Speaker 1 25:12

Maybe, but I say no Okay.

Speaker 2 25:14

Vetoed.

Speaker 1 25:16

She plays Homer's mom anyway. How about Dustin Hoffman?

Speaker 2 25:21

I like that guy. I like him too, he's probably a real peckerhead, but I think he's a hero.

Speaker 1 25:24

I don't think he's a peckerhead. I think he's an okay dude, isn't?

Speaker 2 25:27

that Rain man.

Speaker 1 25:28

Yeah, it's Rain man.

Speaker 2 25:29

And Mr McGoriam's Wonder Emporium.

Speaker 1 25:32

Oh, that's a good one. And not a well-known one my favorite movie in the whole world he is in, and it is what's it called? The.

Speaker 2 25:44

Gratuate.

Speaker 1 25:45

No, no, the Western. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 25:49

What Western?

Speaker 1 25:51

What is it?

Speaker 2 25:52

Not Blazing Saddles, no but that was funny.

Speaker 1 25:54

We watched that the other night.

Speaker 2 25:55

You did. Yeah, oh my gosh, that's hilarious you can't even make that movie right now. No, I don't think you were supposed to talk about that movie. They did bleep out a couple words here's the movie brain man graduate tootsie.

Speaker 1 26:16

That's a good little big man, of course, little big man, oh, and he's in the fokkers yeah, he is in the Fockers. Yeah, he is. Yeah, the second one, I think. So he played Lisa's substitute teacher and because he was under contract but with someone else, he was credited as Sam Etic. S-a-m. First name, last name, e-t-i-c. Semitic.

Speaker 2 26:43

Clever, clever.

Speaker 1 26:45

Clever Dustin Hoffman.

Speaker 2 26:46

He's a big hero.

Speaker 1 26:48

How about Stephen Hawking Hero? I mean, you're going to call him a dick? That would mean you're a dick. Yeah, he was actually on a couple times, so good for him, he has a sense of humor.

Speaker 1 27:00

Brilliant dude, eh he was on like four times, yeah, couple times. So good for him. He has a sense of you, brilliant dude. He was on like four times, um, yeah, and the best one I think is number five. Uh, it was space coyote, was the episode. I think it was in 97 is what I wrote down. It was when homer eats that chili. Did you ever watch that one? You should watch that one. It's super funny and Johnny Cash is like his the dream sequence guy Like he sees him. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 2 27:35

Johnny Cash.

Speaker 1 27:36

And Johnny Cash. He's a hero.

Speaker 2 27:40

He's a hero. You know, we're going to find some stuff about that dude though.

Speaker 1 27:45

Oh, he's not an angel.

Speaker 2 27:48

No.

Speaker 1 27:49

But he's a hero.

Speaker 2 27:51

But he's walking the line. He walks the line.

Speaker 1 27:54

He walks the line.

Speaker 2 27:55

Have you seen that movie?

Speaker 1 27:57

I have.

Speaker 2 27:58

Is it good?

Speaker 1 27:58

Yes, joaquin Phoenix, I like Joaquin, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 28:04

Did you see the new movie the Joker with him?

Speaker 1 28:06

No, you should.

Speaker 2 28:07

Is it good? I don't know, I didn't see it. But then I can ask you about it and we can have a podcast episode and you can talk about the whole thing and I can pretend like I didn't see it.

Speaker 1 28:15

And next week everybody I won't study and Kim will study.

Speaker 2 28:23

What are we doing?

Speaker 1 28:24

I don't know yet.

Speaker 2 28:25

Okay, I'm going to pick something really hard like neuroscience or something. No, I should have. I swear, I got my notes here.

Speaker 1 28:33

I know that's all right. You just need to watch the Simpsons more.

Speaker 2 28:37

I do.

Speaker 1 28:39

So if you have any comments about the Simpsons or about KJ's lack of education of the Simpsons, please email us at herordick2023 at gmailcom, and we will see you next time.

Speaker 2 28:55

Thanks everybody.

Speaker 1 28:56

Okay, bye.