Hero or Dick - S3., Ep. 4 - Joaquin Phoenix

Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick! From a childhood spent in a controversial cult to becoming one of Hollywood’s most celebrated actors, Joaquin Phoenix’s story is anything but typical. In this episode, we explore his unconventional upbringing, the impact of his brother River, and how his past shaped his career and activism. We break down his method acting, his long-running fight for animal rights, and his relationship with Rooney Mara—all while debating whether he’s a misunderstood genius or just difficult. Join us for a deep dive into one of the most fascinating figures in Hollywood today!

Thanks, as always, for listening! 

~ Kate & KJ

Transcript

Introduction and Technical Challenges

Speaker 1 0:01

We're live hey. Hello everyone, it's Kate.

Speaker 2 0:07

And KJ. Nothing in that order.

Speaker 1 0:10

We're going back in time and we're recording directly on an iPhone.

Speaker 2 0:14

We don't have our headphones on.

Speaker 1 0:16

I don't know, it feels kind of. Things are falling apart because yesterday I came into the studio to check things out and we had a water leakage. We had a flood, the flood. The flood, the spring flood. And so we were supposed to tape. Do they say tape? We were supposed to tape yesterday, record yesterday, oh, look it. Glad those are straight hairs.

Speaker 2 0:43

Saw some hairs on the table.

Speaker 1 0:46

Anyhow, that must have been from the cleanup crew. Oh, wait, that was me anyway, we got it cleaned up and we're back and, uh, I got a new phone and so it doesn't work with our recording equipment. I mean it would well if I had the right adapter.

Speaker 2 1:00

You just need a new adapter.

Speaker 1 1:01

But it's still season three, episode four right and you want to know how, why I had to get a phone.

Speaker 2 1:06

Why did you get a phone?

Speaker 1 1:07

Because I'm nice, because I had an upgrade, my phone was paid off. My daughter you've met her, I have she's delightful. She got out of the car, dropped the phone in slush. Oh, and that was that.

Speaker 2 1:23

You can't try that out. We tried, we even took it over to old Wolfpack Technologies.

Speaker 1 1:28

By the way, shout out, those guys are great over there, very helpful.

Speaker 2 1:32

Where are they?

Speaker 1 1:34

Over in the Thunder Is it called the Thunder Bay Shopping Center? Which one's over there?

Speaker 2 1:36

I think it is called the Thunder Bay Shopping Center.

Speaker 1 1:40

Yeah, I would say, if you need a computer repaired, a phone repaired, anything techie stuff like that.

Speaker 2 1:45

Wow, good to know what's their name again.

Speaker 1 1:47

Wolfpack Technologies. Wolfpack Wolfpack.

Speaker 2 1:51

Oh.

Speaker 1 1:52

Oh, so anyway, but Jovi is paying me $300 and some bucks for my phone, so that worked out okay.

Speaker 2 2:00

Oh, she has many jobs, so she can pay you.

Speaker 1 2:05

She's a charlatan. So anyway, we're back.

Speaker 2 2:07

This is called hero or dick yeah, it is, and this week's episode is about jacqueline panics isn't it a beautiful name, joaquin joaquin phoenix?

Speaker 1 2:20

but his name wasn't that?

Speaker 2 2:21

no, it wasn't. What was it? What was it originally? It was originally joaquin, but then he changed it to leaf or his family did for his acting purposes because he his brother. He's the middle of five kids and his older brother, river phoenix, very famous, very cute in his day, very dead very dead uh.

Speaker 2 2:42

And then he has a sister, rain, and then joaquin, middle of five. So that says a lot about someone right there. But then he has two younger sisters named liberty and summer. It's like how did you get a normal name like joaquin?

Speaker 1 2:57

somewhat normal and guess where he was born I know where he's born san juan, puerto rico. Yes, in october 28, 1974 was I there then yeah, nowhere is born. San Juan, puerto Rico. Yes, in October 28, 1974. Was I there then? Yeah, you were. No, you left in 73.

Speaker 2 3:11

No, I was just gone. Sorry, Joaquin, wasn't there for your birthday.

Speaker 1 3:14

You left in 73, right? Yeah, look at me.

Speaker 2 3:17

Yeah, it was 10. We're building a personal history here, so I wasn't quite there anymore.

Speaker 1 3:26

Who were his parents?

Speaker 2 3:29

I can't tell you their names Arlen, I might have them somewhere John Lee, and his actual last name is Bottom B-O-T-T-O-M.

Speaker 1 3:40

And they came through that whole thing about the rising phoenix, yeah.

Speaker 2 3:44

Because they belonged to a cult.

Speaker 1 3:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:47

When the kids were young.

Speaker 1 3:48

Children of God.

Speaker 2 3:50

And is that what it was called Children of God? And yeah, there was some weird stuff going on.

Speaker 1 3:57

They were good with it until like 1977, when the cult started exploiting women and children. They actually used a technique called flirty fishing.

Speaker 2 4:05

I wrote that down too, because I thought that was awesome. I mean, no, I don't think they should do that no, no, flirty fishing, flirty fishing. So what is flirty fishing?

Speaker 1 4:13

Well, they go out there with their womanly parts and they seduce people into being in the cult.

Speaker 2 4:19

So it has nothing to do with fishing.

Speaker 1 4:22

Well, they're fishing.

Speaker 2 4:23

Well, they're fishing Well they're fishing for people. Okay, the female fisherwomen would apply their sex appeal on the fish. The men from outside the cult, this is weird. Yeah, they left the group in 77 disillusioned with the rules many rules, as many cults have a lot of rules, yeah, especially the practice of flirty fishing. Flirty fishing, but I kind of like that term. I do too, it sounds enticing.

Speaker 1 4:51

Where are you going tonight, honey? I'm going flirty fishing.

Speaker 2 4:53

I'm going flirty fishing. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 4:55

Down by the river. They were homeschooled, those kids.

Speaker 2 4:59

Oh God.

Speaker 1 5:06

If you're in a cult. This kind of goes in the transient lifestyle. So, which is impressive, that you know you're in a cult. Your parents are free thinkers, I guess you'd call it. They're out there and flirty fishing, but he still ends up and river.

Speaker 2 5:17

They end up being fucking famous, like that's no easy feat, it's well yeah, but their family helped them too. They liked acting and I'll have to look through my notes. But Joaquin even says I like acting, I like doing it and it's fun for me, even though I get anxiety before it. But who doesn't? Who wouldn't get that before they?

Speaker 1 5:42

you know, well, you got some anxiety when you were in that, right before they you know well, you got some anxiety when you were in that film this summer, or didn't you? Okay?

Speaker 2 5:49

well, you were. What was it called? Again, I wasn't in a film yeah, the island thing oh that was, that was a year ago last summer I did not like being, uh, a actor. No, why? Okay, whatever they say, don't look at the camera.

Speaker 1 6:07

It's like did he say, look right directly at the camera because, I'm looking at the camera I love watching movies or tv shows like seinfeld, like if they're in the restaurant to see which background people are looking at the camera and then they're like fake talking, fake talking, fake talking, yeah um but joaquin likes it.

Speaker 2 6:24

Before we get too far away from, he was born not with a cleft lip, but a microform cleft, which I don't really know the difference. I think it's just not as severe and he had surgery on it and that's a scar right there, got it okay, so it really defines him. I think he started working with river and his name then was leaf yep, they were in some commercials space camp space camp in 86.

Speaker 2 6:51

89 was parenthood, 95 to die for breakthrough role right there to die for yep, I don't remember that movie, what they call?

Speaker 1 7:00

kidman, the woman that doesn't age. Oh, she does not.

Speaker 2 7:04

Isn't it?

Speaker 1 7:05

fascinating.

Speaker 2 7:06

It's weird, she is like a Stepford wife.

Speaker 2 7:08

She was in that movie. Yeah, that was a good one too. She's a the first movie I saw her in. Getting totally off track is one. I can't think of the name of it, but they were on a boat. Her and her husband were on a boat and some guy's like, oh hey, I need some help, they're all in the middle of nowhere in the ocean. And he ended up being a bad guy like a pirate guy, oh boy. And she had to chase him down, like with a harpoon, what she did.

Speaker 1 7:33

Yeah, it was a good movie and I will look up that she went flirty fishing.

Speaker 2 7:37

She whacked that guy with a harpoon um quills was one yep, and then I did not.

Speaker 1 7:45

That's supposed to be really good quills. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 7:47

That's what they told me online well, I do like his choices of movies. Um, I think his breakout role was in gladiator yeah, you're right he was nominated for an academy award for his portrayal of comandos and oh, and he was so evil.

Speaker 1 8:06

I mean, you wanted to kill him, and that's what I think he was going for he got in trouble in that movie by the director because he took the part so far that he thought that, if I'm remembering correctly that Commodus getting stressed out and anxious and wanted to bone his mom in that movie, whatever was going on.

Speaker 2 8:24

Okay, I thought it was his sister. Whatever, whoever's available in the family family reunion.

Speaker 1 8:30

He wanted to show the anxiety and the loss by losing weight. He lost like 20 pounds while they were taping and they're like no, you can't eat something. But he's what would you call it? Is that a method acting?

Speaker 2 8:43

I don't know if that's called.

Speaker 1 8:44

Yeah, I think it is when you're like, you're the.

Speaker 2 8:46

You become him.

Speaker 1 8:47

That's it.

Speaker 2 8:47

Because he did that for Walk the Line too, Johnny.

Speaker 1 8:51

Cash.

Speaker 2 8:52

That's a great movie. That's a great movie. My personal favorite that he's in is the Village.

Speaker 1 8:59

Yes, I love the Village M.

Speaker 2 9:01

Sh. I love the village M Shabalama Night and.

Speaker 1 9:02

Signs by M Shabalala Night.

Speaker 2 9:04

Yeah yeah, signs is good too, but the village I did not know the premise of the village going in and I'm not going to say what it is, because people should go and watch it. At the end I remember I went to the theater and my nephew and my daughter was us. We were like the only people in the theater, so we had fun with that, but at the end it was like boom.

Speaker 1 9:28

Yeah, our minds were blown.

Speaker 2 9:28

It was really good. It was very good hotel rwanda. He was in also. That was very good. And then walked the line and won a grammy golden globe. Nominated for an academy award. Yeah, he did great as JC.

Speaker 1 9:42

Yep and Joker.

Speaker 2 9:44

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 9:45

Yeah, Won an Academy Award for Best Actor. He was acclaimed for his acting in. Excuse me, I shouldn't have ate that hot dog on lunch. Her, oh, yeah. And then the Master I guess it was, I didn't see it, but it was inspired by the Scientology there that guy, the founder, and Napoleon was in 2023.

Speaker 2 10:10

Napoleon was a great movie too. He did a good job. I did find this quote he loves acting and brings him quote instantaneous joy. That's good, I know Everybody should be doing something that quote instantaneous joy.

Speaker 1 10:24

That's good. Everybody should be doing something that brings them instantaneous joy. Yes, Unless you're hurting other people, Kate. Well, okay, whatever.

Joaquin Phoenix’s Early Life and Family Background

Speaker 2 10:32

He and River are the first brothers to be nominated for Academy Awards, and he won for the Joker and River actually won for Running on Empty, which is another great movie, river actually one for. Running on Empty which is another great movie. He does admit to anxiety. Perhaps he should hold hands with Pedro Pascal, who also admits to anxiety, but feels better if he holds hands with someone. Pedro, if you're out there. I will hold hands with you anytime.

Speaker 1 11:00

Here we go.

Speaker 2 11:01

Anytime Flirty fishing.

Speaker 1 11:03

Totally flirty fishing. He married his wife there. He met on while filming her right.

Speaker 2 11:09

While filming the movie. Her, yeah, okay, oh, whoops, oh it's so funny, he was filming her.

Speaker 1 11:14

He was like hey, how are you? How come you're not?

Speaker 2 11:25

He did say every movie feels like my first, for good or bad, I suppose. You know you get nervous and anxiety, but you know you're not like phoning it in bill murray ghostbusters lately, the last ghostbusters, yeah, um, oh. He was in a bad car crash in 2006. He was, he was oh, that's right, he was in a very bad car accident and while he was flipped upside down I don't know if he was upside down, but he was in his crushed up car and he heard somebody saying relax.

Speaker 1 11:56

Go to.

Speaker 2 11:57

No, they weren't singing that. I'm sorry, that's Frankie.

Speaker 1 12:00

I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 12:01

Saying just relax, and he's like I am relaxed. Like he didn't know who was talking to him Maybe I'm sorry. And he found him and told him to relax and he took the lighter out of his hand. He was trying to light a cigarette. There was gas all around him, so he probably saved his life, but that was very traumatic. That's a real thing.

Speaker 1 12:32

That's a real thing, it's not just a movie thing, if you light, a lighter by gas, no, no, what you're telling me right now?

Speaker 2 12:39

It really happened.

Speaker 1 12:40

That doesn't sound real, but that doesn't sound real, but it did. I believe you.

Speaker 2 12:43

I mean, that's amazing and he got in a crash somewhere in Hollywood, so of course somebody Hollywood-ish is going to find you.

Speaker 1 12:49

I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 2 12:55

He's lucky. It was Werner and not you know, tara.

Speaker 1 12:56

Reid, she would light that cigarette she would have had that cigarette.

Speaker 2 12:59

They'd both be dead.

Speaker 1 13:00

No, she wouldn't. She'd live through anything we should deal with something on her.

Speaker 2 13:07

Oh, so he did live through that. Um, what else can we say about joaquin? His wife, oh, his wife. He met her while filming her um.

Speaker 1 13:20

They started dating, uh in 2016. What's her name? Runa Mara Rooney Mara.

Speaker 2 13:27

Oh, Rooney Mara, oh I didn't Remember her.

Speaker 1 13:30

She was at your party.

Speaker 2 13:31

No she was no, but she was at a party, wasn't she in? Is she an actress?

Speaker 1 13:38

Yeah, she was in Mary Magdalene.

Speaker 2 13:40

Okay, what's the one with Lisa Kudrow and they're at the reunion?

Speaker 1 13:53

You're okay. What's the one with lisa kudrow and they're at the reunion huh you're making? Isn't that her what? I'll look her up. I don't know. Well, she was in the girl with the girl with the dragon tattoo in 2011, and then a movie called carol in 2015. She's got multiple oscar nominations. Wow, I'm talking like I'm introducing her and she's gonna walk in the door in 2015. She's got multiple Oscar nominations. I'm talking like I'm introducing her and she's going to walk in the door.

Speaker 2 14:08

What's her name? Rooney? Yep, rooney Mara. I'm thinking of a different girl. Yeah, she's cute.

Speaker 1 14:16

Well, I wouldn't imagine he'd be going out with Honey Boo Boo, but you never know. Well, he is a vegan too, so I don't think Honey Boo Boo is just chucking down salads.

Speaker 2 14:28

Isn't she? Maybe she is now. Oh, she was in that movie recently. 2021-ish.

Speaker 1 14:33

Honey Boo Boo.

Speaker 2 14:34

No, Rooney Mara. Oh yeah, nightmare Alley, which was a great movie, was it? Yeah, it was real noir-ish.

Speaker 1 14:46

I don't even know you today pulling these things on the left, I'm pulling it out of google, so I'm not just pulling it out of my head, um, but you know, um, he became a vegan when he was a kid, three years old, because, uh, he had a traumatic, traumatic experience with me watching a fish being killed oh, a fish, a fish but that's good, at least I guess yeah, yeah, good for him.

Speaker 2 15:07

Like we've talked about vegans and and um, not just in vegetarians.

Speaker 1 15:14

Good for you, like I can't help that aren't you supposed to eat meat, or was that me?

Speaker 2 15:20

that was you, I, you, I'm not quick.

Speaker 1 15:22

No, you're out.

Speaker 2 15:24

I'm too in, I'm too far in.

Speaker 1 15:26

You're too far in Speaking of tipping cows. He would not like that, because he does work with PETA and he's narrated documentaries like Earthlings and Dominion.

Speaker 2 15:38

And there's no reason we need to be mean to animals.

Speaker 1 15:41

No, I like animals.

Speaker 2 15:41

But animals eat animals too, so I don't know that's how I justify it. Some animals don't. I watched a show about whales, and they're eating a lot of fish.

Speaker 1 15:52

They would eat a person too right, If it was in the way.

Speaker 2 15:55

If it was in the way, they might spit it out too. Have you seen a whale up close? No, Well, yes, but in SeaWorld, so it doesn't count. Not SeaWorld, but Marineland. That's Canadian version.

Speaker 1 16:08

Everyone loves MarineWorld except Cassidy and some of the current administration.

Speaker 2 16:15

They don't like anything. They don't like anything.

Speaker 1 16:18

Well, at least eggs are cheap. That's not their fault. I'm just dicking around everybody, Don't get offended.

Speaker 2 16:24

Get offended Get mad and have an egg.

Speaker 1 16:27

Yeah, okay he got arrested in 2020 what'd he do? Well, he was with that fucking rebel jane fonda, she is a rebel.

Speaker 2 16:38

I love her and, uh, she just had a speech she gave at, I think, the golden, golden globes, and if there's any time in the world to get mad and angry and be an activist, it is now Right. Right now, yeah, right now, and she's another one. She looks great. I know she's had stuff done, because she's said she's had stuff done.

Speaker 1 17:00

She's like 90.

Speaker 2 17:00

But she is like well, 80 something, something anyway, and she looks fab, yeah, so I'm glad he's hanging with her um, he's a big supporter of all kinds of charities, so he's I think he's a good dude.

Speaker 1 17:13

Jane fond is 87 get the fuck out of here?

Speaker 2 17:16

oh not yet, but yeah, she looks great um, wait, now let's go.

Speaker 1 17:22

You got more stuff there, and then I talk about something.

Speaker 2 17:26

I think we covered all that I have on. Okay ready, Ready go.

Speaker 1 17:30

Remember, and I didn't remember this until I was doing my due diligence, so I don't disappoint you, like I usually do every time we sit down.

Speaker 2 17:37

Thank you, I was counting on that.

Speaker 1 17:42

You know, he went a little weird there when he was saying, he was turning into a rapper is this the david letterman appearance?

Speaker 2 17:48

what?

Speaker 1 17:48

was the whole thing where he said he was quitting acting to become a rapper and like it looked strangely convincing and I don't know why he did that. Um, I guess it was part of that I'm still here thing he was doing. It was a mockumentary um what year is this? 2010, and that's when he went on letterman and it was just totally bizarre.

Speaker 2 18:08

It was a bizarre.

Speaker 1 18:10

I can remember watching that and I don't know if it was one of those hollywood things that was planned and letterman was in on it, maybe, or if it was real because it looked real it looked real and if you haven't seen that. Get on YouTuber there, yeah, and look for he's very bearded and he has shades on and a hat. He's acting like he's on, like Something.

Speaker 2 18:32

And maybe he was.

Speaker 1 18:33

Yeah, we don't know, and Letterman gets pretty upset with him.

Speaker 2 18:36

He does, but is that the shtick? I don't know. Did he work it out with Dave? I love that shit, though Dave would be in on that. He would David Letterman, dave, he looks so cool. Now Does he? Oh, with the?

Speaker 1 18:50

big beard and stuff With the big beard Kind of skinny.

Speaker 2 18:52

I think he went vegan too. Oh, he lives in Montana. Why would you go vegan there?

Speaker 1 18:58

Challenge, I guess, all that game, wild game walking around, I was going to say, oh, there was a film in 2024 that he actually dropped out of by Todd Haynes.

Speaker 2 19:15

What film was that?

Speaker 1 19:17

I didn't get the name, but it was something to do with. There was explicit scenes and he didn't want to be involved in that. So whatever that means, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 19:24

Explicit it's sexual.

Speaker 1 19:28

Could be or who knows, it could have been like killing an animal killing an animal.

Speaker 2 19:32

Maybe you didn't want to kill an animal.

Speaker 1 19:33

You know what. Now that I'm looking at my facts, I think I was wrong about the 20 pounds for gladiator, though I'm sure I saw that for gladiator too, but for joker he lost 52 pounds. Jeez, how does he do that?

Speaker 2 19:48

how? How does he'm going to drop 50 pounds for this movie? What I would do that I mean not 50, but how can I do that? Do I just need to say I'm in a movie and then?

Speaker 1 20:01

I don't know. He isolated himself and he stayed in character so he just kind of went loopy and didn't eat. That's scary. That Joker guy was scary. That's like what's his face there? He, that's scary. That Joker guy was scary, that's like what's his face there. He used to date him, matthew.

Speaker 2 20:12

McConaughey, matthew McConaughey. He is such a cool guy, though, and I think I've said this on this podcast Listen to his book. He reads it himself.

Speaker 1 20:21

Well, everybody loves his voice. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 20:24

It was so hilarious. It was enlightening and hilarious, and he had some sad moments in there too, but he's a cool guy.

Speaker 1 20:33

Well, he lost like a billion pounds for Dallas Buyers Club or something. Yeah, something like that. He had AIDS in there.

Speaker 2 20:39

That was a good fucking movie, that was a great movie. But listen to his book or read it. But listen to it, you can get it out of the library.

Speaker 1 20:50

Library. What's that? Do you think we'll? Have those in the future I don't know, we might not have them anymore. Maybe they're gone, I don't know. I haven't tried it this week. Get rid of libraries it's just a waste. They are books, books reading about stuff. They better not be funded by federal funds either I don't know all right, I'm being a dick again.

Speaker 1 21:10

Um, he's had public feuds, awkward interviews obviously we talk about one, but he does have a history of walking out of interviews when he's uncomfortable. Oh, um, and he is thankfully known for dismissing the superficial hollywood culture.

Speaker 2 21:26

I wonder where they live. Does it? It say?

Speaker 1 21:28

He probably lives in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 21:29

Probably.

Speaker 1 21:31

I don't know, but he's worth 80 million bucks, jeez, joaquin. And his wife is worth 20 million, so they're doing okay. Yeah, they're not up to our level, but you know they're getting there, joaquin Joaquin.

Speaker 2 21:44

Joaquin Joaquin. I think of that, I love that name. I think of that, I love that name.

Speaker 1 21:48

Well, keep it in mind, see where he lives.

Speaker 2 21:53

If you get a dog or something, Joaquin Joaquin.

Speaker 1 21:55

You don't have any pets, do you? No, not right now, just that teddy bear, that possessed teddy bear Just traveling, traveling, traveling. You still have the possessed teddy bear.

Speaker 2 22:00

I have a. It's a rabbit actually. A possessed rabbit. A possessed rabbit, I love it. I leave it in the guest room. Sometimes people are like can you take that out of my room?

Speaker 1 22:15

and then, like a day or two later, people are suffering from severe migraines, t and visions well, I don't know where he lives.

Speaker 2 22:23

Yeah, you'll find out. Makani, he'll tell ya so here is what I say about him. Um, I think he's done some weird shit, but not really dick shit no, no, dick shit no dick shit. And I think that he makes some cool movies and he seems to enjoy doing it, and he's had enough trauma in his life that he should have some fun and joy. So I say hero hero.

Speaker 1 22:50

For all those reasons and more okay, I really think he's just great at what he does he's phenomenal if he's in a movie I'll watch it. Yep, we should have a marathon a joaquin phoenix what a wide variety of movies too you know, man, now I watch the village got napoleon and gladadiator and then her.

Speaker 2 23:11

Yeah, you know, they're very different movies.

Speaker 1 23:14

Do you have?

Speaker 2 23:15

a fast five, I do.

Speaker 1 23:16

I knew it.

Speaker 2 23:19

And these fast fives are all child stars because he and River Joaquin and River were child stars, so the first child star is actually a twofer Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen twins.

Speaker 1 23:34

Heroes.

Speaker 2 23:35

I like them. I think they're heroes. They live their life how they want to, so boom.

Speaker 1 23:40

What was that?

Speaker 2 23:41

show what Full House.

Speaker 1 23:43

That's what it was, thank you.

Speaker 2 23:46

You got it, dude, I believe, was their catchphrase.

Speaker 1 23:48

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you got it, dude, I believe was their catchphrase.

Speaker 2 23:50

Yeah that's right, yeah, you got it, dude. Number two is Neil Patrick Harris.

Speaker 1 23:54

I was just thinking about him prior to coming here.

Speaker 2 23:57

Were you, I really was.

Speaker 1 23:58

Why were you thinking? I saw a picture?

Speaker 2 24:00

of somebody else. Yeah, I love that guy and I was like man that looks like Neil Patrick Harris.

Speaker 1 24:04

That was who, what was it.

Speaker 2 24:05

He was Doogie Howser.

Speaker 1 24:07

Hockey. Doogie Howser that's what it was, mm-hmm, and he was in that show on CBS about marrying a mother or something.

Speaker 2 24:17

Oh, I Met your Mother. Yeah, he was in that. He's a big Broadway person too, yeah.

Speaker 1 24:24

Funny, he's a funny dude. I say hero.

Speaker 2 24:32

He also lives his life how he wants to, and he can be a little annoying sometimes, kind of bringing it back. But that's okay, right, you know. Okay, here's one you maybe didn't know was a child star lawrence fishburne what was he in as a kid? He was in uh 11 years old. He was on the soap opera one life to live no kidding, I didn't watch that one I used to watch Guiding Light.

Speaker 2 24:52

And you know what else he was on. He wasn't a child anymore, but he was on Pee-wee's Playhouse. Yes, cowboy Curtis, goddamn right which, speaking of Pee-wee's Playhouse, shout out to, or ballyhoo to, miss Yvonne passed away this week.

Speaker 1 25:14

She's away this week. She's the most beautiful woman in pup island missy vaughn moment we'll miss you um, yeah, lawrence fishburne, the matrix, oh yeah, and blackish, oh yeah, it's blackish.

Speaker 2 25:23

Yeah, I was just watching him on, uh, mysteries of something that I don't know about mysteries of something. Yeah, it was on the history channel. It's some history mysteries of some kind and he's the host. Okay, how about? So I'm saying hero because he's in peewee's playhouse. It's cowboy curtis, and I can't mention that without saying the sleepover episode that peewee had at his playhouse. Cowboy Curtis was very angst about staying over because he sleeps in the nude.

Speaker 1 25:57

Yep.

Speaker 2 25:58

That's what I let my child watch on Saturday mornings. It's a bit of an adult theme there.

Speaker 1 26:02

But at least he had the wherewithal to say I need to remove myself from the situation.

Speaker 2 26:07

Well no, I think he actually wore pajamas that night. That's what it was. Yeah, how about Todd Bridges of Different Strokes? The situation? Well no, I think he actually wore pajamas that night, that's what it was. Yeah, how about todd bridges of different strokes? What todd bridges different stroke?

Speaker 1 26:19

dick, see a dick, I don't really know much about him, isn't he? I think so never mind, he's just misunderstood oh, I don't know, there was some drugs.

Speaker 2 26:27

I think there was a murder too. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 1 26:28

I don't know if he did it, but I'm just gonna call him a hero because I don't want. There were some drugs. I think there was a murder too. Yeah, that's right. I'm going to say I don't know if he did it, but he was there. I'm just going to call him a hero because I don't want him to come after me.

Speaker 2 26:34

Okay, and the last.

Speaker 1 26:36

Hey, is the other guy still around?

Speaker 2 26:38

No, I think he died too, that little guy, the little guy.

Speaker 1 26:41

Who was that? Oh, what you talking about willis yeah, is he? No, I think oh he's dead.

Speaker 2 26:54

Yeah, yeah, wait. Now another question is is webster alive? I don't know, dang, I just figured everybody from the 70s was dead was webster a kid ever, or was he an adult playing a kid?

Speaker 1 27:04

I'm dead serious I don't know.

Speaker 2 27:07

We'll have to find out websterster.

Speaker 1 27:10

Oh, you know what Todd Bridges? I don't want him to get mad at me either.

Speaker 2 27:13

Yeah.

Speaker 1 27:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:15

See, we love you. Todd, yep, todd, todd, I really like that name. Oh, what is it about? Sorry, every Todd in the world.

Speaker 1 27:24

No, there's a few nice Todds.

Speaker 2 27:25

Oh God, yeah, but they're going to change your names.

Speaker 1 27:29

To River Phoenix. No, joaquin Phoenix, joaquin yeah, joaquin or Leaf, how about? Okay? The last one is Jason Bateman. I thought we were supposed to talk about him, but we always do. He's a hero, goddammit.

Speaker 2 27:46

I do like everything he says.

Speaker 1 27:46

He's annoying me more and more, though, on those. Those smartless guys are starting to annoy me, are they? They're just making too much money. Well, they just, and they don't let their guests talk.

Speaker 2 27:55

That is kind of annoying.

Speaker 1 27:56

And they actually call themselves on it. Yeah, yeah, they make fun of it.

Speaker 2 27:59

They know they do that they know they do it, but stop doing it.

Speaker 1 28:08

But Bateman think of that he was on. Little House on the Prairie.

Speaker 2 28:11

Little House on the Prairie.

Speaker 1 28:12

As a young child Lots of commercials.

Speaker 2 28:15

Lots of commercials, and then he was in a family movie with the Seavers. Who were those? Was that him? And he had a the Seavers. Maybe I'm thinking of Michael J Fox. No, he was in some movie and and he was the kid, the smart-ass kid.

Speaker 1 28:33

Oh yeah, oh he was, he was.

Speaker 2 28:36

It wasn't.

Speaker 1 28:36

Richie.

Speaker 2 28:37

No, it was something.

Speaker 1 28:39

Sorry, he was Teen Wolf 2. Not one, not so good, no, but he jokes about that too.

Speaker 2 28:47

He paid his dues. I do believe and he uh was a child star who came out of it pretty well adjusted yeah, I mean he had his moments for sure he talks about the stuff that he doesn't even remember.

Speaker 1 29:00

Yeah like he lived a kind of a rough, like a risky life.

Speaker 2 29:04

Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 29:05

And now he's, and now he's a dad who just doesn't like to go out places, very often stays at home. His wife and him drive separate, apparently, so that he can just leave whenever he wants. Oh, I'm down with that. Yeah, I like that too. I like leaving places and nobody even know I left.

Speaker 2 29:20

That's the Irish goodbye, is it? Should we do that right now?

Speaker 1 29:23

Yep.