Hero or Dick

Welcome to Hero or Dick — the podcast where Kate and KJ dig into the strange, funny, and unforgettable corners of history, pop culture, and everything in between. Each episode, we take on famous (and infamous) figures, events, and ideas, breaking them down with humor, insight, and just enough irreverence to ask the question that matters: hero…or dick?

From legendary icons to the odd stories behind movies, music, and everyday life, we pull the threads that make people and moments extraordinary. Along the way, you’ll get Kate’s infamous Fast Five lists (and KJ forgetting his), personal anecdotes, and plenty of chances to weigh in with your own takes.

Ever wondered if a celebrated artist was secretly a scoundrel? Or if a movie villain actually had a point? We live in those gray areas — the messy, funny, human places where the line between hero and dick isn’t so clear.

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Hero or Dick - S3., Ep. 5 - Val Kilmer

April 17, 2025 • Kate & KJ • Season 3 • Episode 5

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Welcome, dear Listeners! It's another episode of Hero or Dick! This time around we take a scenic detour through Val Kilmer’s wild ride in Hollywood.

Between updates on Kate’s latest travels and plenty of banter, we dig into Kilmer’s incredible dedication to his craft — from filling his bed with ice to capture Doc Holliday’s suffering to disappearing so deep into Jim Morrison that it took a toll on his real life.

We keep it light while exploring the highs, lows, and unexpected twists of Kilmer’s story, proving that sometimes the real life is even bigger than the movies.

Thanks for tuning in!

~ Kate & KJ

Welcome and Birthday Wishes

Speaker 1 0:01

All right, hello. Hello, welcome to.

Speaker 2 0:04

Hero or Dick.

Speaker 1 0:05

Season 3, episode 5. Yes, it's sometime in April and somewhere in Michigan.

Speaker 2 0:12

It is April 17th. It is Jenna's birthday 32nd birthday. Well, I wasn't going to say that, but yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 0:21

I'm saying it. Happy birthday, jenna, getting so old, just kidding.

Speaker 2 0:26

Oh, happy birthday. You can say young, 32.

Speaker 1 0:28

Yeah, I believe it Well look at you You're young, 40.

Speaker 2 0:31

Well, it's amazing that I have a 32-year-old daughter. Yeah, you started so young, younger and younger.

Speaker 1 0:38

So we're all alive.

Speaker 2 0:39

Here in Alpina, we didn't have a terrible we had a big ice storm kate, of course wasn't here she was traveling as usual, yeah but it was pretty nasty it was like a hundred year storm yeah, we're talking I I heard that the the utility workers who came up from various places in not just alpina gaylord got hit. All across northern michigan gaylord got nasty too, and they said we have worked after hurricanes and this looks like a hurricane hit it, wow yeah.

Speaker 1 1:10

Yeah, sad stuff, but.

Speaker 2 1:14

I don't think there were any deaths.

Speaker 1 1:16

No.

Speaker 2 1:17

That I know of.

Speaker 1 1:18

Well, one guy burned up in his house. That was unfortunate.

Speaker 2 1:21

Was that because of the storm? I don't know. Maybe we don't know.

Speaker 1 1:24

I don't know, maybe we don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 1:25

I was just wondering if that's something to do with it.

Speaker 1 1:26

Yeah, it's terrible.

Northern Michigan Ice Storm Aftermath

Speaker 2 1:28

And a lot of people were inconvenienced, beyond inconvenienced. Really. They're out of power for days, some people weeks. Some people are still out of power in northern Michigan.

Speaker 1 1:40

And it's bad because it's cold.

Speaker 2 1:43

I mean weak, mean it's only 40 something out right now but uh, happier news.

Speaker 1 1:49

Kate was um touring promoting hero or dick throughout the southeastern united states I missed the whole storm.

Speaker 2 1:57

Yeah, we were scheduled to come back but we kind of stalled yeah, yeah, I don't blame you when we came back, we went to the biltmore I know, oh, I saw the photo what a great place. The architecture, the gardens.

Speaker 1 2:14

I'm not even a garden person so you, you could go there. It'd be cool to stay there. You stay there we did stay there.

Speaker 2 2:21

Yeah, we got there on a tuesday night and in the evening and we were there. It's 800 and some acres I mean, it's me, it might even be more than that and we were there tuesday night, all day wednesday, most of the day thursday, and we never left the property. There's a. There's a couple restaurants. We did eat at the same one a couple times but it was great Shopping and all that stuff. They had some shopping. They had wine tasting, which I don't really drink wine, but I bought some wine.

Speaker 1 2:56

Why wouldn't you? Because I tasted it. I was kind of drunk, yeah give me a case of wine.

Speaker 2 3:01

Awesome. They have different tours that you can do and, yeah, I highly suggest it Now that place is haunted, you can go there just for the day too.

Speaker 1 3:12

Did you go to the haunted part?

Speaker 2 3:14

Well, I didn't see anything.

Speaker 1 3:16

Because like they've done shows, like ghost hunters have done shows there.

Speaker 2 3:21

I would do that, just to stay there.

Speaker 1 3:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:23

Because you don't stay nobody stays in the actual house that was built. But the house is just so amazing. Yes, it's huge, that's amazing. But they built it at a time, I believe in the early in the 20s and into the 30s, but it was built at a time when there was a lot of fires, built at a time when there was a lot of uh fires and so when you had a fire, like in chicago or wherever, that wiped out everything that was stick built. So, uh, george biltmore said I don't want that to happen. So this house is mainly uh, cement or a variation of it, um, a limestone marble. I mean, yeah, it has wood finishes, wood furniture, but I think you could put a match to it and it would just go out very cool uh, I believe it's over 1700 square feet we'll be more than that probably no seven, oh 17 000.

Speaker 2 4:20

Yeah, yeah, 1700. No, oh, $17,000. Yeah $1,700. That's like the bathroom.

Speaker 1 4:25

Yeah, yeah.

Kate's Southern Travel Adventures

Speaker 2 4:28

And it was beautiful and impressive. Yeah, I suggest it.

Speaker 1 4:34

You're writing a book now about your travels, right? Well, no, I think you should Kate's travel blog. Or maybe just suggested places to go.

Speaker 2 4:44

I do keep a travel diary because I like to remember where I've been, that's a good plan. And you know, a year from now, I'm not going to remember, but we left and went to Cleveland. We did not go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame though which I really wanted to go to.

Speaker 1 4:57

The one place I've been that I told you to go to and you didn't go.

Speaker 2 5:01

We were staying at a relatives and so we visited relatives is what we did Then. From there, we went to a really cool place in West Virginia called Pipestem and it's a national park and it was very mountainous and beautiful.

Speaker 1 5:19

Nice Cool name too.

Speaker 2 5:20

Pipestem.

Speaker 1 5:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2 5:21

It was scary driving there. They don't believe in guardrails, no, and they just have too many mountains. You know you can't.

Speaker 1 5:29

Can you have too many mountains.

Speaker 2 5:30

Well, to put guardrails up Gotcha. And so then, from Pipestem, we went to Charleston. I like Charleston too and went to. You know, every time we've been to Charleston, which is three times, we've gone to Hall's Chop House which is a splash out splurge, but it's like the best meal you'll ever have.

Speaker 2 5:54

It was so good. And then my friend Beth was staying in Charleston with her husband and cousins, so we surprised them. That was fun. Husband and cousins, so we surprised them. That was fun. And then the next day we went to St Simon's Island checked into our rental. We stayed there for three weeks. We did everything. We did something every day, every single day. You know there's lighthouse tours. We rented a pontoon boat one day. That was really an experience from being from the Great Lakes and you're out in these sounds where all the rivers meet.

Speaker 2 6:27

If you go too far. You're in the ocean I don't want to take a pontoon boat into the ocean.

Speaker 2 6:32

No no no, and we went to Okefenokee Swamp, which is a really cool place too, saw lots of alligators and birds and animals and a the very cool place. We took a boat tour there and then, um, we also like to go to this other place where you can view alligators, called harris neck, and it's just a nature preserve. It's a big not even big by michigan standards, but by georgia standards it's a big lake. It's got lots of birds and nature going on and it's where the alligators like to go and hang out. And so there was one right on the you walk on this berm and there was one sunning himself and I just chose not to go by him. But some of our people we were with did what, got some great pictures.

Speaker 2 7:24

They didn't get too close, but but, you know they can move If they get pissed. They can run like 30 miles an hour. I can't run that fast.

Speaker 1 7:33

No, they got pretty quick with the jaws there. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 7:36

So yeah, and then we saw some small ones and some big ones and that was at Harris Neck, a very cool place. Where else did we go? We went to savannah for a few days. So we I was in savannah on my birthday we ate at the best restaurant called alligator soul. It was so good. We had, um, there was five of us and we all had something different. We had shrimp and grits, I had fish. Um, there was two people in our party had buffalo, one had the shank, one had like a sirloin nothing like some buffalo shank buffalo, it's pretty good and they said it was the best, better than any steak.

Speaker 2 8:13

So that was surprising. So that was fun and savannah is always a cool town, um beautiful, with all their um squares, you and fountains. It's just a really nice job. Yeah, we went to lighthouses. What else did we do? We did a dolphin tour, just to do it.

Speaker 2 8:34

To do it. We actually did it before we went out on the, because we rented the pontoon boat. We wanted to kind of know where we were going, and so we took the dolphin tour so we could kind of check out the lay of the lake or the sound. We did see dolphins yeah also.

Speaker 1 8:54

So it's not like you were uh took made the most of it, that's for sure we did.

Speaker 2 8:58

We got a lot of stuff. A lot of you know museums. I love a museum we went to on saint Simon's Island. There's an old fort and that was really cool. We went there a couple times. Yeah, damn, yep. And then on the way back we went to the Biltmore and, like I said, we kind of stalled on our way back, cheers.

Speaker 2 9:18

We went to the other really cool place we went was called Maggie Valley in North Carolina. We just cool place we went was called Maggie Valley in North Carolina. There we just were going through there and we saw this sign for a motorcycle museum. So we're like, oh you know, we got time so we went in there. We spent three hours in there really, and I can't think of the exact name of it, but it's a guy named Dale something who has since passed away, but he started collecting motorcycles. I bet there was 3,000 to 4,000 motorcycles in this building.

Speaker 2 9:52

It's huge, and not only are there motorcycles to look at, but they'll start some of them up A couple times when we were in there, yeah, so that was really fun and the people who run the place are really cool, so we ended up spending the night there. It was beautiful.

Speaker 1 10:10

Where In Maggie Valley, not at the motorcycle place.

Speaker 2 10:13

I would have stayed, got along with them so well. Yeah, I would have stayed there. That's cool. So, yeah, it was a great trip. We didn't miss all the bad weather, but we missed a lot of it, so that was good.

Speaker 1 10:25

Well, I see it Timed out pretty good.

Speaker 2 10:28

We got home and there was power.

Speaker 1 10:31

Magic, yeah, Everything, just you kind of. Just everything rolls your way and you don't realize. Well, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 10:37

You don't realize how important electricity is until you don't have it.

Speaker 1 10:41

Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, I think man like yeah, we complained about not having it, no Wi-Fi, no power, no cable, whoop-de-doo. But I thought man, what about people that like have oxygen machines or what the?

Speaker 2 10:54

They need electricity to live.

Speaker 1 10:56

I guess those people probably have generators.

Speaker 2 10:58

Well, I hope so. Yeah, I hope so. So, anything you want to add on the ice storm, we actually have a topic for today too, don't we?

Speaker 1 11:06

Yeah, it's ice storms.

Speaker 2 11:07

That's best.

Speaker 1 11:08

five it is. It's going to be, it is yeah, okay, no, I have nothing, kate.

Speaker 2 11:15

I don't live the life that you do.

Speaker 1 11:18

I did finish my book.

Speaker 2 11:19

Yes, you did.

Speaker 1 11:20

It gave me a copy.

Speaker 2 11:21

I'm so excited to read it, Advanced I mean happy.

Speaker 1 11:22

I'm so excited to read it.

Speaker 2 11:23

Advanced reader copy it's called Devotion.

Speaker 1 11:25

Devotion. You know, kate, there's a play on words there, because a small text that may sometimes have some spiritual meaning can be called a devotional.

Speaker 2 11:34

Okay, and then the theme figure. I thought you were going to Devo, devo.

Speaker 1 11:37

I like Devo Just whip it.

Speaker 2 11:39

Whip it good, whip it good. The cover is beautiful. I wish everybody could see it. It's really nice.

Speaker 1 11:44

Thanks, but there will be more on that. I have an interview coming up with the good old Alpena News next week and there's a couple places reviewing it.

Speaker 2 11:54

I'll review it. I'm going to take it home and read it and review it and shred it. Shred it.

Speaker 1 12:00

I've got thick skin, but anyhow, all right. The topic today is val kilmer he's dead.

Speaker 2 12:08

He died recently he died yeah just on april 1st sad shit, he was born. He was a new year's eve baby, so he um, oh. I want to say one more thing about traveling. Okay, I wrote traveling observations. People are mostly wonderful. You know, when I went into this fabulous department store that's only in the south, it's called Belks, you know it, cassidy, you love it, and the staff in there was like so welcoming and I know they get paid, yeah, but thank you for not being assholes.

Speaker 1 12:49

Yeah, it's helpful?

Speaker 2 12:50

Yeah, they were helpful, they were nice, they were wonderful.

Speaker 1 12:53

They weren't over the top though nice, were they? No, no.

Speaker 2 12:57

And it seemed sincere. And if it wasn't good for them, they need to get acting jobs, you know. So there's lots of Southern hospitality and kindness and I appreciate that. Now the other side of that is people are horrible too, because when we were on Jekyll Island at the Driftwood Beach, where they have filmed some movies and I'm told Walking Dead has filmed there- oh OK.

Speaker 2 13:29

So there's tons of people. We've been there before, but there was a lot of people there this time. So we're just kind of walking around and there's a guy. You know it's not a national park but a state park and there's a huge sign here. Please don't do this.

Speaker 1 13:47

this and this.

Speaker 2 13:49

And obvious things. Don't litter, you know? Please don't take anything, Sure. I mean, it seems stupid that they even have to write that, but okay.

Speaker 1 14:04

Well, people are stupid.

Speaker 2 14:05

So there's a guy jumping on a branch of driftwood. It's a guy maybe in his 40s and he's got two young girls with him, like eight and ten, and he's jumping up and down on it because it's not breaking off Right. It's fucking driftwood.

Speaker 1 14:21

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 14:23

So he's jumping up and down and I say hey, hey, hey. And then my friend said hey, that is not cool, dude, yeah, and he gets so defensive, why don't you mind your own business? I believe he called us Karens too we're not Karens. Here we're just telling you, that's not what you do right if you, well, my daughters want to take something home, well, if you take something home, there won't be any. Everybody will take something home, there won't be anything left go to the gift shop or your daughters when they're older or your grandkids.

Speaker 2 14:57

Well, he mumbled some stuff to us and, but he did walk away mumbling the whole time.

Speaker 1 15:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2 15:04

So I just hope his kids realized first of all your dad's a dick for doing that. What a horrible example.

Speaker 1 15:12

There's a lot of horrible examples.

Speaker 2 15:14

But he was one of a lot of people.

Speaker 1 15:18

Sure, but they stick out.

Speaker 2 15:20

Yeah, he did stick out, but he didn't take any driftwood home with him. Well, not while I was looking. He probably did. He did stick out, but he didn't take any driftwood home with him. No, well, not while I was looking. Yeah, he probably did, probably as soon as he saw those two Karens walking away and Beth's like we're not Karens.

Speaker 1 15:34

No, good for you, Because more people need to say shit to people you know.

Speaker 2 15:39

Yeah, yeah. So all right, I just wanted to get that out of my system. Sorry about that. Now I'm kind of riled up.

Speaker 1 15:45

I know I can tell Ugh, Huh, god, that guy's a dick, he's going to get what's coming to him.

Speaker 2 15:51

I hope karma gets him.

Speaker 1 15:53

Mm-hmm, something will get him. Mm-hmm, that's how it works out I don't know If it doesn't here it'll be favorite.

Speaker 2 16:01

T-shirt says karma takes too long. Let me punch in the face right now.

Speaker 1 16:07

That's kind of how I felt about him okay, that reminds me okay, but oh, I was talking to a co-worker yesterday and she was talking about some of the same stuff, whatever. But she was saying how she has these shirts. And, uh, talking about people are dicks and assholes. But it's a bloodstained shirt, right, and it just says problem solved on it. It's not terrible, but we were talking about dateline episodes and whatever. But I thought that's so funny. Maybe not to everybody, so sorry if I offended you yeah, okay, that's another topic.

Speaker 2 16:39

What murdering people? No offending everybody everybody's offended oh everything. Yeah, well, and that's probably what that guy thought, why are those people so offended? I just want to take a piece of and it's like what, really? What are you going to do with that birch?

Speaker 1 16:52

well and driftwood why are you doing it right out in front of everybody?

Speaker 2 16:56

yeah, oh god, there was tons of people there. I was surprised we were the only one saying anything and I don't know. I don't know if anybody else was watching. But, um, yeah, what are you going to do with that piece of driftwood? And that comes a good point. That we learned from going to many museums was if you take that home and put it in your garage, it's lost forever. If you take a piece of shipwreck home, what happens to it? You know it doesn't land in a museum. Oh, the other place we stepped at on the way back was the michigan what's it called the central michigan train station. That's not the right name, but it's this old, the old train station that was in disarray and the fort family redid it. Oh, my god, it is gorgeous pretty cool and then one of the rooms there.

Speaker 2 17:47

They have things that they they put it out to people and said hey, if you have anything when they were doing the restoration, if you have anything that's from this place, bring it back. No questions asked, no penalty, no, nothing. You know, just bring it back and we'll include it in our restoration or we'll put it in our. It's not really a museum, but we'll put it in the train station. And there was a bunch of stuff, you know, some stuff wasn't, you know, relevant and could have stayed in the garage, but it was still interesting to see. But like there was a lantern, you know, someone probably took home whatever and it was sitting in the garage and Grandpa brought it home and they— that's cool that people brought stuff back, that they brought stuff back, yeah.

Speaker 2 18:34

So moral to that story is if you take it, you take it away from everybody.

Speaker 1 18:39

Yeah, people can't enjoy it. Yeah, but you know a lot of people are like fuck everybody.

Speaker 2 18:44

Yeah, I get that too, yeah, yeah. But you know, a lot of people are like fuck everybody. Yeah, I get that too, yeah, yeah, okay. But Val Kilmer, Val Kilmer.

Speaker 1 18:48

He probably didn't do that. No, he's still dead.

Speaker 2 18:50

He's still dead.

Speaker 1 18:52

He was born, like you said, new Year's Eve. Baby, yeah, near Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 18:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1 18:57

His parents divorced when he was young. He seemed like they were pretty well off. I mean, they seemed okay.

Speaker 2 19:03

They were okay, they were suburbia, yeah.

Speaker 1 19:05

I mean he wasn't dirt poor or anything like that. No, no, he always had an affinity for acting, always had a camera out and filming people, family, whatever. Go ahead, I know you got.

Speaker 2 19:18

What was I going to say about him? He had three. There were three kids in the family, yeah, yeah, and had three. There were three kids in the family yep yeah, and one of them, one of them died he had a seizure.

Speaker 1 19:29

An epileptic fit in the jacuzzi at his dad's house, yeah and his dad always kind of blamed himself because it was at his house.

Speaker 1 19:37

Yeah, that's terrible well, how do you know you're gonna you know your kid's gonna have an epileptic then Well, I guess his dad didn't always make him take the medicine. Oh, okay, that came right from Val Kilmer. Okay, because I watched his movie, val. Oh, I did not. I had to prepare for this. Oh, good job, because I usually don't prepare. But that was man. If you get a chance to watch that.

Speaker 1 20:01

Was it good, it's good, was good, it's good, but it's fucking sad and he is falling apart at the end and it ends in 2021. He's still alive, but he's got that big hole in his throat and he's trying to go around to promote like tombstone, because people still have these big parties for old movies and he travel around. They show tombstone on the big screen and he's there signing autographs and there's one scene oh my god. And he's always trying to stay so positive. Despite all this, I can barely breathe and talk sometimes because he had throat cancer in 2015 yeah, from severe smoking like here, it's bad for you.

Speaker 1 20:37

Yeah, that's what I did too. Yeah, he actually. Um didn't feel good on the set of a movie and um started coughing, coughed up blood and they found out he had cancer, just like on tombstone and yes, it was similar to that and then he uh, it just got worse, but anyway.

Speaker 1 20:53

So there's a scene he's um, signing autographs for people at this tombstone thing and he's like, all of a sudden he's sitting there and he's not feeling well and he says to the people around him he's like my stomach, you know, like I don't feel good. So he just moves off a couple feet onto this chair or something. He's laying on his side and all of a sudden he's motioning to the people because they're recording everything to this big trash can he's throwing up. And then he takes a little bit of rest and he gets right back up a little while later and he comes back and he's signing, trying to be positive again, and I'm like fuck man call, call the ambulance.

Speaker 1 21:23

And then later on they show him and he's standing there off to the side and he looks really sad.

Speaker 2 21:28

He looks bad at the end.

Speaker 1 21:29

And he's like. You know how sad and depressed he gets sometimes because he thinks that everyone's just. He's a washed up actor promoting his old movies. Oh fuck, it was terrible.

Speaker 2 21:39

Are you going to cry?

Speaker 1 21:40

No, and then he was so far in debt. At the end he had to sell the 6,000 acres that he had and he wanted to give to his son, jack, and his daughter Mercedes, as like their whatever Inheritance, yeah, and they ended up having to sell that to pay off his debt so that he could do his Mark Twain thing. At the end, he did what's called Cinema Twain. I want to see that yet.

Speaker 2 22:03

And did you see that no?

Speaker 1 22:06

Holy fucking shit. He looks exactly like Mark Twain. He did a one-man show on Broadway, I think. Phenomenal. I mean the parts that I saw. He is Mark Twain. Wow, I did not know that. He got so deep into it.

Speaker 2 22:18

I should have watched the movie instead of reading.

Speaker 1 22:21

He got so deep into that character. It was very similar to when he played Jim Morrison, like his wife actually had to leave.

Speaker 2 22:28

Because he was acting like Jim Morrison All the time. Yeah, Listening to the music all the time, singing all the time, like he was Jim Morrison. Well, I do know that the three remaining doors, which then there were three Ray Manzarek's sons passed away. But they said when we heard him singing, because he did all his singing on the movie way. But they said when we heard him singing because he did all his singing on the movie, yep, they're like there were times that we couldn't decide if it was you know, jim or him, yeah it was that was.

Speaker 1 22:53

That's a good movie, that's one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 2 22:55

Wow, that's good and not. It came out at a time that I was really into the doors and I think a lot of people were had a big resurgence, but, um, I just think it's a great movie. Oh, it's. Yeah, he is jim morrison.

Speaker 1 23:09

He really became jim morrison yeah, and he um something too about his dad. His dad had this big plan to buy up all this property. He bought like um a piece near the valley over there by wherever in California, I don't know, I don't know my California geography, but anyway. So he decides he's not going to buy his house, but he's going to buy all the houses and all the property around it so he can choose his neighbors and sell the property to them. So his dad starts getting into that.

Speaker 2 23:40

Choose your neighbors.

Speaker 1 23:42

I like that. Val starts getting a little successful with his acting, but his dad's business is going downhill and his dad starts setting up shell companies and things like that and signing things up. It got kind of shady and so Val Kilmer had to take all his money and pay off his dad's debt.

Speaker 1 24:01

It was either sue his dad because his dad made him power of attorney or something like that, or pay off all his dad's debt. So he paid it all off and just started from zero again and started working again. He's like I just put my head down, started working, like holy shit man wow, wow.

Speaker 2 24:17

I did not know that about him, but you did. You want to know what val and I share.

Speaker 1 24:22

I do.

Memorable Val Kilmer Performances

Speaker 2 24:23

Val and I share bursitis in the elbow. When I was in Puerto Rico in January I fell on my elbow and I've gotten it x-rayed. Nothing's broken, but it still like pops out like a cartoon, like a bad guy or something every now and then, oh God. And I was looking at. He broke his arm while filming the doors and in that you can clearly see it in the pictures of uh, I think it's the movie heat. There's like this big check it out. He's got a cartoon elbow.

Speaker 2 24:57

Yeah, I'm with you, val no mine isn't as as prominent as his, but and you met him, didn't? You. Uh, I wish I did. I wish I had met him in the 80s. Oh shit, we would have shared more than an hour, okay, um yeah, so what's it? So is the doors your favorite movie oh, I don't know. I like tombstone too I love the doors, I mean they're just different, and then I actually liked Real Genius.

Speaker 2 25:27

Oh my God, I just watched that not too long ago, not I mean like maybe within a year. It was on some channel and I watched it, it was weird.

Speaker 1 25:35

It is weird, way weird, but I thought it was just a neat, that was from the 80s Top Gun. Have you heard that one?

Speaker 2 25:42

I've heard of that one.

Speaker 1 25:43

The Iceman.

Speaker 2 25:45

Doesn't he chomp?

Speaker 1 25:46

at them.

Speaker 2 25:48

I never really liked that movie.

Speaker 1 25:51

I mean, okay, it wasn't you know, people who like it love it and I was like I watched it in the 80s Tombstone was phenomenal and he said that in that last scene with Kurt Russell, when he's laying in the bed and they're the best friends, saying goodbye to each other, and he's trying to tell him to leave, he actually made the art department fill that whole bed, underneath him and around him with ice, because he wanted to. Underneath him and around him with ice because he wanted to, and he laid there before the scene so he could get in the feel, the pain, wow, and then like, get into the character I was like that's sweet.

Speaker 2 26:26

This is what I think, because he's uh pretty, he's, he's a good looking guy he's kind of bratty too and he yeah, he's mischievous, you know, and so people didn't. I think he thought too that people didn't think take him seriously as an actor, for sure, but I think they should have, because you know, tombstone um, I like the movie thunderheart too. Did you ever watch that?

Speaker 1 26:48

one I did it's like on an indian reservation you know, he was adopted by two um indian tribes like, just like unofficially, but yeah, and he's one. He's part cherokee or something like that. He's actually raised on a indian reservation. His dad had him living on one for a while.

Speaker 2 27:03

Yeah, no shit I did not know that. Did you know he was batman?

Speaker 1 27:08

I heard about that he hated the role yeah hated it and they showed some interview clips of that and he would just flat out say that you know, didn't enjoy it no um, it didn't. He said all I had to do is just stand where they told me to. He's like the people that had the best parts in the film were jim carrey and um tommy lee jones, because they actually got to bring something to the character because they got to be more than that yeah, he was just the guy in the suit he turned down the role of pony boy in the outsiders yeah, in 1983.

Speaker 2 27:38

And he also turned down the role uh, patrick swayze's role in dirty dancing because he didn't want to be perceived as a hunk, which he was because he was a hunk oh shit, he published poetry yep, he's an artist. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. What other movies? Oh, he met his wife on the movie Joanne Wally.

Speaker 1 28:04

Yeah, they were married for like 12 years yeah.

Speaker 2 28:07

He met her on the movie Willow, which is an interesting movie.

Speaker 1 28:11

I remember watching it when.

Speaker 2 28:13

Cass was young.

Speaker 1 28:15

The Heat one. I didn't see Heat. I think I'm going to know. Yeah, which was cool, like look for the elbow. The day the day after they were done with batman, forever, he went right to heat. Oh, and just change it.

Speaker 2 28:26

Yeah, change it up. His last movie was top gun 2 I didn't see that either.

Speaker 1 28:30

He was in the saint. Yes, mcgruber, mcgruber, it was the voice for the prince of egypt in the Moses, moses, kiss, kiss, bang Bang. Oh yeah, he created and starred in, like I said, citizen Twain.

Speaker 2 28:43

How about he was also in the movie Island of Dr Moreau? Oh, the poor guy With Marlon.

Speaker 1 28:48

Brando. Listen to this. That's his idol, marlon Brando, the one guy in the world he wanted to work with. And that movie set was a disaster. The directors they fired one director, brought another one. He was a dick. There's actually footage of val kilmer with the video camera on the director because the director was threatening the actors and the director's getting all pissed off, telling to turn the camera off and he's like no, you're making me. It was weird, but you're making me all emotional and blah blah. And then there were scenes in um that movie where they didn't even use marlon brando. They used a guy and painted him up like that to look like brando in the regular scenes, and that was 1996.

Speaker 2 29:28

So marlon brando, I don't know what year he died, but he was getting up there and I think he was just taking parts for a movie for money, you know yeah, there's this, this scene in the Val movie where he's with Brando.

Speaker 1 29:41

He's walking by and Brando's just laying in a hammock and he's like give me a shove. And he's like shove me again. And he shoves him a few times.

Speaker 2 29:51

Oh, Marlon.

Speaker 1 29:52

But anyhow.

Speaker 2 29:54

So Val did some good deeds too. He helped promote the New Mexico Film Investment Program, yeah, and when it started it was at $3 million in 2002. And in 2006, it was up to $117 million. So he did good, yeah. He also visited Iraq in 1998 with the American Cares Program, which I'm sure we've cut that by now. Yeah, delivered food, medicine, baby food. Now do you want to talk about who he has dated? Because he had all the hot chicks.

Speaker 1 30:31

Sure, cindy Crawford, daryl Hannah, angelina Jolie she and I share a birthday, if I haven't mentioned that in the past. Oh, really, that doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 30:42

Not to me, no, unless she wants to party with you.

Speaker 1 30:46

I don't think so. I don't think so. She probably has some cooler people to hang out with.

Speaker 2 30:49

Or maybe I have. No, I don't think she does, I don't know.

Speaker 1 30:52

I'd take Brooke over her anyway.

Speaker 2 30:53

Yeah, I think that's a good choice. Yeah, I don't know. He also dated Daryl Hannah, ellen Barkin, ellen Barkin, yeah, she was hot in her day, she was. She still looks good, actually, does she? Yeah, I've seen her. She was in some movie, I think Michelle Pfeiffer too.

Speaker 1 31:12

He dated. So Isn't she the white gold they call her? She's in some songs, Michelle, that White Gold. Maybe, I'll shut up now. He should have dated Nicole Kidman. Oh wait, they were together in well, they weren't together, but they acted together in Batman Forever.

Speaker 2 31:28

He was probably married to that Cruise guy then. He was no, Nicole was that's right.

Speaker 1 31:34

Tom Cruise, that's his name. Have we ever done him?

Speaker 2 31:38

I'm not doing him.

Speaker 1 31:39

I mean like the.

Speaker 2 31:40

No, but he'd be interesting because he's Scientology. So we're there.

Speaker 1 31:44

Are you still in Scientology or did you get out?

Speaker 2 31:50

It is fascinatingly terrifying yeah.

Speaker 1 31:54

You see that. Who's that actress?

Speaker 2 31:56

Yeah, got out of there.

Speaker 1 31:58

Leah Rem Queens, king of Queens. Yeah, who's that? Actress that got out of there, leah Remini, king of Queens. Yeah, I read her book. Yeah, we can do Scientology. I want to read I'm your Huckleberry. Phil Kilmer wrote a memoir.

Speaker 2 32:08

Oh yeah, it sounded good. Actually, I'm your Huckleberry. Where's that from Tombstone? Oh, is that?

Speaker 1 32:15

Tombstone. Oh, it is from Tombstone.

Speaker 2 32:17

Oh.

Speaker 1 32:18

God, that's a good movie. God damn it, kate.

Speaker 2 32:20

That is a good movie which we've talked about before because it was on our mustache episode.

Speaker 1 32:24

We had a mustache episode. I don't even remember that.

Speaker 2 32:29

Yeah, famous mustache. Maybe it was just a fast five.

Speaker 1 32:32

Whatever, but that sounds cool.

Speaker 2 32:34

We've talked about Tombstone because it's Tombstone.

Speaker 1 32:36

Yeah, and I talk about the same shit every time. I think I'm going to talk about Jason Bateman again too. I thought we moved on to Conan O'Brien. Yeah, I don't know who would you rather party with, conan or Jason Bateman. Oh, I was going to say Conan Bateman's not going to be that fun. Conan would be the guy for me. I do love him. Who'd win in a fight?

Speaker 1 32:58

uh, conan, I can't picture either one of them fighting it's kind of like a bitch just slapping each other all right back to this guy okay, so what say you about uh val kilmer here, or dick, unless you have some more info?

Speaker 1 33:18

no, I, I think, I don't know. I think he's heroic. I think he tried to stay true to being an actor and a good person and he did things his own way. He chose roles in the big blockbuster ones he did because he was under contract and he had to do them. He stayed really grounded in family. I don't know, I say he's a hero. I say he's a hero.

Speaker 2 33:39

I say he's a hot hero. That's all they end.

Speaker 1 33:43

And I would say, if anybody gets a chance to watch that documentary, it's on Amazon Prime called Val Val. That was pretty good and I'm going to read the Sting book now.

Speaker 2 33:53

Okay, Val Rest in peace.

Speaker 1 33:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 33:56

Here's our Fast Five, fast Five coming up. It's all about the ice storm.

Speaker 1 34:00

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 34:00

So when I was thinking about the ice storm, you know, of course first thing is no electricity. Well, and right away you say it's a dick. Right, and it is a dick if you're out of power for a week or more, or even a few days, but it's kind of a hero if you're out for a couple of hours, because then it forces you to, you know, read a book or spend, you know, do some play a game. You and Jovi were playing war.

Speaker 1 34:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, we were Jovi and I. We actually had fun.

Speaker 2 34:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2 34:35

Doing a lot of reading and toppled trees. Right away you think, well, that's a dick, but maybe some of them need to be pruned out anyway.

Speaker 1 34:44

Yeah, nature's doing what it does man.

Speaker 2 34:45

She does.

Speaker 1 34:47

Don't fuck with it. I do worry, though, now.

Speaker 2 34:48

What.

Speaker 1 34:49

All those trees down and all that dead falls for fires coming up.

Speaker 2 34:54

Yes, they did say be very careful with fires, especially this summer, Because you look at, you know we can see where everybody's cleaned it up. But what about in the Pigeon River?

Speaker 1 35:10

Oh, yeah, you know Mackinac Forest. It's a tender box out there.

Speaker 2 35:14

It's going to be if we don't. We've been getting a lot of moisture.

Speaker 1 35:17

And what happens? I mean some of those, like some lands just destroyed. You know, it's like we get a clear cut. I don't know, Did you see? People were all up in arms about the trees.

Speaker 2 35:31

Yeah, about the trees. Yeah, I don't want to get off topic. No, let's not talk about that. And so another one no internet. Well, again, it's a dick, you know, yeah, but it's kind of a hero because it makes you spend time together, yeah. And it's kind of a dick because of that too. Right, it's like a couple hours cool, but it kind of shows Days later. You want to be looking at each other in your 40-degree house, but I mean, people used to do it. Yeah, what?

Speaker 1 36:00

did they do? What have we?

Speaker 2 36:00

become.

Speaker 1 36:03

They had interaction. Who wants to do that?

Speaker 2 36:06

Nobody, no, nobody, and that's the next one. No phones or computers. Again, it's a hero, because it makes you read an actual book, sure.

Speaker 1 36:17

It does. It creates a little anxiety because you're disconnected man it does, though, because then nothing is available. Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:24

Nothing, I'll just check that on Google. No, you won't.

Speaker 1 36:27

Check what oh.

Speaker 2 36:27

I'll just look it up online.

Speaker 1 36:28

Oh no, you won't. Okay, I got you. Yeah, because you get so used to it. You got the world right in your hand. Yeah, Got the whole world in his hand.

Speaker 2 36:38

So ice storm overall, dick mild snowstorm hero.

Speaker 1 36:43

Okay, I'll go with that.

Speaker 2 36:46

And we in northern Michigan are always bragging oh, we only get snow. You know we don't do hurricanes or tornadoes. Every once in a while we get a tornado and it's like, oh shit, I forgot about ice storms.

Speaker 1 36:59

We haven't had one in a long time. That was not even. It was surreal. I drove up to Sheboygan when things started getting a little better because I'm like I've got to get out of the house. So the three of us went up to Sheboygan to check and see the antique store up there which is just. It's interesting to go in there. It is a good one.

Speaker 2 37:15

It's interesting to go in there.

Speaker 1 37:17

It is a good one and then we went to the bookstore and we had lunch. At what the hell is that place called? It's like an Irish pub, but it's.

Speaker 2 37:26

Queen's Head.

Speaker 1 37:27

Nope, no, that's a pub there.

Speaker 2 37:29

It's very good Fuck.

Speaker 1 37:31

I feel bad because I wasn't going to talk about it. I guess I still can, but I don't know the name. It's a one word. Name it. Oh, not bogeys. Oh, come on mulligans. Oh, I had to do with golf. I know mulligans and the food. The fish was really good. It was just fried fish but it was, uh, perch, really good. Anyhow, what I'm talking about going up there for oh, the storm the storm trees everywhere, like in, like the utility guys work in some of them, and then it's just eye-opening.

Speaker 2 38:04

Yeah, In Gaylord it's been especially bad. At Tree Tops, where Cassidy works, they've been supplying rooms to the utility crews Nice. I mean not free.

Speaker 1 38:15

Sure yeah.

Speaker 2 38:17

So they've had them as guests. I don't know if we get a guest discount or not, we're probably going to end up paying for that Maybe.

Speaker 1 38:24

Kept the power off.

Speaker 2 38:26

Well, the power company pays them and you know, those guys work hard, they work hard, and I want to also give a shout out to Alpena Power, who did a phenomenal job with all their staff yeah and uh and getting everybody up and running. I was surprised it was as quick as it was. I know some people are pissed because it's never quick enough for some dicks, oh yeah. But oh here's. They did so good and I know all their staff had to take the brunt of you know, phone calls and people complaining or people just calling.

Speaker 2 39:02

When's my power coming? On what's my power coming on? Have you seen my cat? I don't know, so I give big kudos to Presque too.

Speaker 1 39:12

Okay, and Presque, let's give them all there yeah, I'm not familiar.

Speaker 2 39:16

I mean, I don't have anything?

Honoring Local Utility Workers

Speaker 1 39:17

My parents have them. They were out for a while but I don't know, it's just tough.

Speaker 2 39:22

Right, it's not like a typical storm. I mean our power goes out, not frequently, but at least a few times a year and we know we go like, oh, power's out Okay.

Speaker 1 39:33

They're replacing hundreds of poles, the poles, and they usually have to do like 500 a year and they're like thousand, like whatever, like 1300 I don't know what it was, but if you're a poll maker, yeah, make some polls you, you get the market and then what about the people doing the well checks going around checking on people?

Speaker 1 39:49

oh, some people are bitching about. Oh, I saw a person I'm not gonna say their name, but on facebook saying when those well check people come around, I'm gonna give them a piece of my mind about what's going on. What the fuck are you?

Speaker 2 40:00

trying to help people, yeah get your head out they're probably the same people jumping on driftwood yes, they're jumping on driftwood, that's going to be the new term. Now, quit jumping on the driftwood, don't jump on my driftwood, karen so I'm just kidding. Dicks for them, but heroes for Alpina Power, press Steel Power and the well checkers and the staff and the utility guys and the people who are trying to get the power on, right on. Yeah, alright, that's a good place to end okay, are we going to end here then?

Speaker 1 40:31

yeah, and then what are we talking about next time?

Speaker 2 40:34

we don't know. We never say because we don't know alright the day before alright thanks, everybody thanks bye.