Hero or Dick

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Hero or Dick

Hero or Dick - S3., Ep. 7 - Pickle Passion: Dill Forever

May 07, 2025 • Kate & KJ • Season 3 • Episode 7

0:00 | 32:52

Welcome, Listeners!

The great pickle debate has arrived, and it's clear that few foods inspire such passionate opinions. Dill or sweet? Hero or dick?

During our deep dive into the world of pickles, we discovered that Americans consume a staggering nine pounds of pickles per person annually, supporting a $2.5 billion industry. But what makes these briny treats so desirable?

Tune into this tasty episode of Hero or Dick to find out!

If you have strong pickle opinions of your own, we'd love to hear them at HeroOrDick2023@gmail.com. After all, in the world of pickles, there's no room for sitting on the fence—it's time to pick a side!

And please, let us not forget...whether you're firmly Team Dill or secretly enjoy a sweet gherkin, International Pickle Week is May 18-24!

Best,

~ Kate & KJ

Technical Difficulties and Introductions

Speaker 2 0:03

Okay, we're on.

Speaker 1 0:04

I didn't hear it.

Speaker 2 0:08

Yeah, we had some technical difficulties again.

Speaker 1 0:11

People think that's the name of our show.

Speaker 2 0:13

Yeah, it's just me.

Speaker 1 0:16

Because every time we start we have a few technical difficulties, but to our defense, it's not like we're doing this every day.

Speaker 2 0:25

And it's not like people are listening Once a week and there's another sound effect for you. Kate's opening, a brewski already Rough day. Hey, what'd you do this morning?

Speaker 1 0:36

This morning.

Speaker 2 0:37

I mean what you can say on air.

Speaker 1 0:41

I ran some errands. Yeah, mm-hmm, I got up and I read a little bit. I'm reading a very good book by John Grisham. Does he write a bad book? He writes some books better than others, yeah. But, I haven't read a book by him for years, so I'm reading a book, are they all?

Speaker 1 0:57

the same they all have. Oh wait, that's the lawyer guy. They do have a law theme, but this one's not the same as the other ones. It's called the Boys from Biloxi and I lived in the area, so it's kind of fun to hear about it.

Speaker 2 1:11

What Biloxi.

Speaker 1 1:11

Biloxi, mississippi. I lived in Ocean Springs.

Speaker 2 1:15

Mississippi. Yeah, you never told me that. Oh Was that one of your Army days.

Speaker 1 1:20

It was after my mom and dad were divorced. My biological dad lived in Mississippi, so I lived there a couple summers, but I never went to school there. But yeah, it's a good book, so I read that you know what I've been reading lately. What your book.

Speaker 2 1:42

No Two issues of the Alpena News.

Speaker 1 1:45

Just two.

Speaker 2 1:46

Yeah, my father-in-law dropped them off. Oh, I don't buy the paper usually.

Speaker 1 1:51

And how are they?

Speaker 2 1:53

You know, the last two aren't too bad.

Speaker 1 1:55

Okay, good.

Speaker 2 1:56

But I don't remember everything about what I read, but it was like topical and no errors. I can't complain because there is an article coming out soon.

Speaker 1 2:07

I was going to ask if they interviewed you.

Speaker 2 2:09

They did. It's supposed to be coming out and I have a bunch of copies coming so I can do a signing.

Speaker 1 2:18

Oh fun.

Speaker 2 2:19

That'd be good. So this morning I met a couple people at the Old Mill Coffee Shop I guess it's called over there on Campbell Street. Campbell Used to be the flour mill.

Speaker 1 2:32

Okay, alpina Flour Mill.

Speaker 2 2:33

You been in there yet.

Speaker 1 2:35

I haven't been in there in a long time. I've been in there before.

Speaker 2 2:38

But you haven't been in the coffee shop?

Speaker 1 2:39

No, I haven't. Oh, it's not on my radar, so I guess I need to do that.

Speaker 2 2:45

I think you do. I like it. It's pretty cool in there. They got like Jesus. I sound like some of those kids those reality shows. I just burped Kate, sorry that there is no wiki sausage, shout out to no wikis. But no, the coffee shop. Yeah, that's pretty cool and they put something in those drinks, because I got myself a cold brew this morning and I could only drink half of it and I could drink a lot of coffee.

Speaker 1 3:11

Oh were you buzzing.

Speaker 2 3:13

Yeah, I mean physically Got a lot done, did I what?

Speaker 1 3:17

Did you get a lot of work done.

Speaker 2 3:18

I guess. So the morning's just been a blur.

Speaker 1 3:21

After that coffee.

Speaker 2 3:22

Mm-hmm. But yeah, shout out to them. Okay, and they have this Nitro cold brew, I'll knock your socks off.

Speaker 1 3:30

Hmm, do they have anything upstairs there, or is that?

Speaker 2 3:35

a separate. Because there's stairs going up there.

Speaker 1 3:38

There's like a yoga place or something. Oh, maybe, maybe up there.

Speaker 2 3:42

They also sell Neiman's bagels there. They get them shipped in. Remember the bagel?

Speaker 1 3:47

stop. I did know Neiman's bagels, damn it. Yeah, I miss Neiman's.

Speaker 2 3:50

They gotta bring that shit back.

Speaker 1 3:52

Well, just a normal grocery store.

Speaker 2 3:54

Mm-hmm. Yeah, you like going to Walmart, don't you?

Speaker 1 3:57

Oh no, I do not enjoy going to Walmart.

Speaker 2 4:02

You got to go there when it's not very busy.

Speaker 1 4:04

They're being remodeled too. I'm told yeah, so no, no, so okay.

Speaker 2 4:13

You know what you can get at the grocery store. What can you get Pickles?

Speaker 1 4:16

Yeah, and you know what our topic is today.

Speaker 2 4:19

Grocery stores. I wish that's a gamut. We should do that we can. It's a topic, I know what it is.

Speaker 1 4:25

What is it? It's pickles. It's pickles. People have strong opinions about pickles.

Speaker 2 4:29

And I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 4:31

Wait, let me just say, it's season three, episode seven.

Speaker 2 4:33

You sure?

Speaker 1 4:34

I am pretty sure.

Speaker 2 4:36

And we're on the cusp of International Pickle Week.

Speaker 1 4:39

I want to know that. What kind of?

Speaker 2 4:41

research are you doing? International Pickle Week, I believe, starts May 15th. I did polling. I did polling instead of it's actually 10 days of celebration. Just wait a minute. It was launched in 1948 by the Pickle Packers Association and it's a trade association that was created to support the pickle industry. Obviously and it's not just a week, kate, it spans 10 glorious days, so two weekends and the week in between. And it typically ends on Memorial Day.

Speaker 1 5:12

Okay, is it in a certain area, or is it just everywhere?

Speaker 2 5:16

It's within. It's within it's within the pickle eater, it celebrates pickles, promotes awareness and it drives sales obviously.

Speaker 1 5:26

So it's not like in Cleveland or anything, no, it's everywhere.

Speaker 2 5:30

I mean there's some places that celebrate more than others like we do.

Speaker 1 5:36

Well, people have strong, strong opinions about pickles. Why did people start pickling?

Speaker 2 5:44

You kind of had to Kate.

Speaker 1 5:46

Why.

Speaker 2 5:47

Well, it would help preserve. And I guess a pickle isn't just a pickle, a pickle is anything that's pickled.

Speaker 1 5:53

A pickle is anything that's pickled, but typically pickles now are made out of cucumbers.

Speaker 2 6:01

You like pickled eggs, though, don't you? I do not Pickled herring.

Speaker 1 6:04

Nope.

Speaker 2 6:05

Next, go on to your strong opinions.

Speaker 1 6:07

How about pickled bologna?

Speaker 2 6:09

Yeah, some of it, nope the spicy pickled bologna.

Speaker 1 6:13

The time and place for pickling stuff, because they had to preserve it. Yeah, now 2400 BC. Well, maybe we have to go back to that. Maybe I we have to go back to that. Maybe I'll have to learn it, you know, like my ancestors did.

Speaker 2 6:26

It was like everything the Mesopotamians, mesopotamians, tamiums, they started it.

Speaker 1 6:31

They started it Supposedly.

Speaker 2 6:34

But I want to hear some of these opinions. Can we get into them, or do you want?

Speaker 1 6:36

to wait? Well, we can. Let's talk about pickles a little bit more, so we know what we're talking about. You get canned, you know homemade. Sometimes they're refrigerated, sometimes not.

Speaker 2 6:46

Yes, and the difference there being fermented or not. And the fermented ones are actually better for your belly Because they have probiotics.

Speaker 1 6:55

Yes, they do, and there is a place in Augray that makes pickles it's called Freakin' Pickles. And they're pretty good as pickles go.

Speaker 2 7:04

It's funny you say that that because today I saw their sticker on a door somewhere Freaking pickles, freaking pickles.

Speaker 1 7:11

Probably at the coffee shop. Could have been. Yeah, they're good, they sell them at Purchase Purchase Probably other places. That's a good grocery store, yeah Well yeah, small, yeah, but I like it because it's small. And so then, traditional pickles out of cucumbers. You got dill, you got sweet, and now well, not now, but you probably had it all along. But there's hot too.

Speaker 2 7:35

Like spicy, nothing like a hot pickle.

Speaker 1 7:36

A spicy pickle. We went somewhere this weekend and they had pickles out and they looked like little sweet gherkins and they were hot dill pickles.

Speaker 2 7:44

They tricked you. Oh, you ever do that. You ever go for what you think is like a dill and it's a bread and butter, or vice versa.

Speaker 1 7:51

Yeah, I had that this weekend and I can remember my grandmother who hated garlic.

Speaker 2 7:57

Was she a vampire?

Speaker 1 7:59

Maybe I didn't ask. It skipped this generation.

Speaker 2 8:03

I love garlic Was she pale?

Speaker 1 8:05

No, but anyway she was eating. We were in a restaurant and we were in Milliken's restaurant, in the mezzanine in their department store in Traverse City, and she put a pickle in her mouth and it was garlic. I remember she was so prim and proper she spit it right out. So you got to be careful. The pickles you might know you might not know. There's a lot of pickled flavored things, so like pickled chips, pickled nuts, pickled goldfish crackers. Did you know there was that?

Speaker 2 8:44

Wait what you mean. They're actually flavored, pickled.

Speaker 1 8:47

Right, they're not in a jar with pickling stuff. They're pickle-flavored things Pickled-flavored mayo, popcorn, beef jerky. I had pickled-flavored taffy. How was it? It was good if you like pickles.

Speaker 2 9:04

Pickle-flavored. What's that stuff you put on your pie hole, Chapstick.

Speaker 1 9:08

Chapstick.

Speaker 2 9:09

Oh yeah and oh, there's a pickle soup. There is At the Polish Corner. At the Polish Corner, Holy noo-noo.

Speaker 1 9:15

Mm-hmm, that's good stuff. Yeah, I wrote that down somewhere because that is good. And there's also V8 now has pickle juice flavored.

Speaker 2 9:26

Pickle juice is actually a beverage consumed now by athletes. Did you know that? I knew people consumed it I thought they consumed it to get rid of hangovers. I used to drink pickle juice when I felt a little hungover. But also, if I Does it work, though, what?

Speaker 1 9:40

Does it work?

Speaker 2 9:41

I don't know man, it does something to you and I'll tell you what if I'm getting a cold.

Speaker 1 9:44

It doesn't make you throw up. Is that why it makes you feel better?

Speaker 2 9:47

No, okay, it does something, electrolytes, but so when I'm not feeling good, I will. To ward it off. This is my wives tale, or whatever myth or whatever. I'll drink pickle juice and I swear I don't know if, or whatever, it helps.

Speaker 1 10:01

It helps. Wow, it's high in sodium. Yeah so yeah, you don't want to drink too much, but it does help with gut health, muscle cramps.

Speaker 2 10:14

It's low in calories, oh yeah, because your friend Christopher Columbus actually used pickles to prevent scurvy on the ships.

Speaker 1 10:21

Well, I didn't know, it took away scurvy.

Speaker 2 10:22

I'd rather have a lime he even planted cucumbers in Haiti, so that when they went to take off again, they would have pickled cucumbers.

Speaker 1 10:32

That Chris was always thinking ahead.

Speaker 2 10:36

He was Except 20. So you know, Cleopatra said that they helped her stay beautiful. And then Caesar actually fed pickles to the Roman soldiers for strength. Huh, I like that.

Polling People About Pickle Preferences

Speaker 1 10:50

You're just like eh, I don't know that they would make you strong.

Speaker 2 10:55

I really think they do Okay, anyway, sorry.

Speaker 1 11:03

Go ahead. So I polled some people and asked them dill or sweet hero or dicks? And people were very adamant about pickles and, I have to say, more people like dill than sweet.

Speaker 2 11:20

That's true in our household.

Speaker 1 11:22

Is it?

Speaker 2 11:24

Mm-hmm, you bring a sweet pickle in our house. My wife will smack you in the face.

Speaker 1 11:28

Well, I have a few people. Lainey said sweet should be banned everywhere. Whoa. I know I said wow, that's kind of harsh, but she is a true pickle lover of dill.

Speaker 2 11:48

And Ava said sweet, shouldn't even be an option.

Speaker 1 11:51

Holy moly, I know that's a good Michigan sensibility. And Leanne says only if it's spicy sweet, okay, then it's acceptable. Now a few people said they like dill and sweet, depending on what it is. Beth said Bloody Mary, dill Ham and Swiss sweet.

Speaker 2 12:14

Beth, she's a thoughtful one.

Speaker 1 12:15

She thought it out. Cassidy and Cody say dill all the way. Greg also says it depends Dill and relish for tartar sauce, bread and butter otherwise.

Speaker 2 12:31

You think he eats his pickles while listening to Rush. Maybe Is he the Rush fellow.

Speaker 1 12:36

I think he I know he likes Rush, but he wasn't the. He is the guy who regretted not going to Rush and he is the one that you know. This, greg, we have the saying you should always go to the concert, and that's his shouldn't went to Rush.

Speaker 2 12:51

Don't sit home and eat the pickles, no.

Speaker 1 12:54

Now Suzanne says the same thing. Dill, yes for certain things, but she says bread and butter too. And her hack is you put a grape leaf in the jar to ensure crisp pickles. I haven't tried it.

Speaker 2 13:14

Try it you ever can.

Speaker 1 13:18

Yeah, I did in my younger days. You don't look like you liked it. Oh, I hated it. Okay, hated it, hated it. Hmm, your mom can't, doesn't she?

Speaker 2 13:26

No, she used to, she did. That was actually a fun or is a fun memory, because I remember it would be hot as hell in my mom's can. In the house the pressure cooker's going, it's hot. It smelled so great though she had the fresh dill in there, you know, and I'd be outside and I could smell it come out of the kitchen window. Good stuff.

Speaker 1 13:43

I like eating hand-made canned goods. We have some applesauce right now that somebody made it's delish, so let's see. Oh, Emma says dill forever, forever.

Speaker 2 14:01

Oh, that'd be a great sticker, okay, or shirt, what are we?

Speaker 1 14:02

gonna do our swag. I looked it up. Well, we'll talk later okay um, and julie, jennifer's julie says uh, she went to toasted pickle, a restaurant in grand haven, and I was so excited I thought there must be pickles like on everything and there's not, but it still looked like a good restaurant. It was kind of cute on the outside, the Toasted Pickle.

Speaker 2 14:25

Sounds awesome.

Speaker 1 14:26

And are you toasting the pickles? They didn't even offer deep-fried pickles. I don't think.

Speaker 2 14:30

Those are good.

Speaker 1 14:31

They are good. Don't want you fry anything, come on, that's true. And some people hate pickles at all costs. Harley doesn't like them at all. Jay says yuck to all pickles, hates to get a sandwich. And they put a pickle on the plate and it leeches into the. Oh, he had a whole thing. He was angry at pickles, hates them. And I asked his mom, jennifer, about pickles, she said huh, I haven't had a pickle in years, so I'm guessing she doesn't like them either. Um, yeah, like I said, people are very strong opinions about pickles. My brother, mike, said dill. He just said yes to dill, yes to dill. And I think that's everybody. Corey says Corey loves pickles. So I think maybe it's a love-hate thing.

Speaker 2 15:28

It sounds like it might be.

Speaker 1 15:28

People either go, they don't go. Eh, pickles are okay, they're like yeah, I love them, dill only.

Speaker 2 15:35

Dill forever, dill forever, dill forever, baby. Didn't jim larson say that? No um americans eat 250 or 245 million pickles each year dill well the most loved is dill yeah nine pounds a person, not nine pounds a person. Nine pounds per person annually that's crazy. It's a 2.5 billion dollar industry. So that's what I'm talking about the swag we could throw a pickle on there. Yeah, steal that saying yeah, we're, we're millionaires dill forever.

Speaker 1 16:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I'll write it down, make it happen the word pickle comes from Dutch. I heard that peckle and so it just sounds like somebody with a bad accent saying it peckle.

Pickle Facts & Famous Pickle Lovers

Speaker 2 16:28

You got some milk, you got some peckle, get me some peckles in some countries they're called gherkins gherkins something like that well, I think it's all european um, I do have some pickles around the world do share would you like to hear something? Yes, please. Um well, obviously kosher dills are the united states. Then there's these, there's these ones. I can't pronounce Giardinia.

Speaker 1 17:01

Are they still cucumbers into pickles?

Speaker 2 17:03

No, it's that mixture you can buy. It's Italian Spicy mixed veggies.

Speaker 1 17:11

Like asparagus and cauliflower. Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:15

As you'll see here, some of these aren't really pickles, like the next one, which is one of my favorites Kimchi.

Speaker 1 17:22

Oh, but it's pickled.

Speaker 2 17:23

Yeah, but they call it pickles, do you like it?

Speaker 1 17:25

because it's your name in it.

Speaker 2 17:27

No, the guy used to always call me Kimchi. I didn't even know what Kimchi was, oh and you were like what?

Speaker 1 17:34

I'm not a weirdo, I'm a Kimchi.

Speaker 2 17:36

kimchi was and you're like, oh you weirdo, and that's why I was calling you that.

Speaker 1 17:38

But no, I don't I like that. You don't like kimchi. No, I, typically I don't like anything fermented doesn't make you crazy, because it's gross, it's rotted it's fermented rotting and, like I said with pickles, I think there was a time and place we needed it and I think we're beyond that, but maybe we're going back into it now that the apocalypse is happening so cool.

Speaker 2 17:57

You know the what's happening apocalypse, keep forgetting it's slowly happening, that's on the calendar um akar later.

Speaker 1 18:04

This or a car from india is mango pickled in oil mango so delicious, why do you want to pickle it?

Speaker 2 18:11

I don't know, mango is good. You know I have a hard time in the morning when I shower because, um, I purchased some mango scented um body and shampoo, or whatever, oh, and it's so delicious smelling it does it says it's for.

Speaker 2 18:29

It energizes you and I'm not kidding you, it does. I'm in there just huffing it in the morning. Oh God, it's great. Why are you showering for so long? You're like a thief Huffing the. Yeah, tusa Kamino, I don't know. It's Japan. Light and quick pickles, preserved lemons, brine, citrus for stews, and then sauerkraut. And again, I know that we don't consider that pickles, but kind of.

Speaker 1 18:55

You know, I just are you a fan of the crow? I forgot to say that Marcy said pickles are heroes because of the gut health benefits.

Speaker 2 19:07

Well, that's the fermented kind which you don't like. Well don't prefer.

Speaker 1 19:12

No, I think just pickles themselves are gut, health good yeah.

Speaker 2 19:19

I believe you.

Speaker 1 19:20

It's true. Don't look at me stunned.

Speaker 2 19:22

I'm stunned because I didn't think that the dill pickles and whatnot aren't as good for you.

Speaker 1 19:30

Well, I mean, it's not like I don't know.

Speaker 2 19:34

Randy, where is he? Randy's got to fact check it.

Speaker 1 19:38

I think it is good gut health. I'm not doubting you. You're chugging the pickle juice. You should know I am chugging it.

Speaker 2 19:45

I really like salty stuff too.

Speaker 1 19:47

A mango smoothie chaser.

Speaker 2 19:49

Oh yeah, but there's other. What was that? Pickle soda, pickle slushies, pickle popsicles.

Speaker 1 19:56

We don't. If you like pickles, yeah, you don't seem that excited about it. If you like the taste of pickles, I bet you're all over that. But I do like pickled potato chips. But you know what? I'm hard-pressed to find a potato chip. I don't like Right, chips are pretty awesome. Show me a chip I've never had a chip and spit it out and went it's a nasty chip. I'm like just eat it and go. You know that one's better.

Speaker 2 20:21

But I'll eat this one. I stand in front of the chips and have a hard time because there's too many.

Speaker 1 20:26

Barbecue.

Speaker 2 20:27

You like barbecue? Mm-hmm, you keep avoiding.

Speaker 1 20:40

There must be some terrible memory about sauerkraut, because you're not answering my question. Oh, sauerkraut.

Speaker 2 20:43

I like it once a year once a year.

Speaker 1 20:44

I like to have sour just a particular time. It is a little too friendly on my gut and so yeah.

Speaker 2 20:46

So it's not like you're eating crow and going to the movies if I want to clear the aisle.

Speaker 1 20:52

maybe it just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe my gut needs more of it, I don't know.

Speaker 2 20:57

Yep, A couple of things I want to hit on but I don't want to take away from you.

Speaker 1 21:08

I think I mentioned everybody now, so go ahead Okay.

Pickle Products Beyond The Jar

Speaker 2 21:11

So the Woolworth's Pickle Pins. So in 1893, at the Chicago World's Fair, hj Hines you're familiar with Hines, right.

Speaker 1 21:26

He's got some condiments going on.

Speaker 2 21:28

He had a little marketing stunt and he gave out free pickle-shaped pins and they were bright green and it was the Hines Pickle Pin and it became a hit and over the years like 100 million of those things were handed out at fairs and events and it was one of the most iconic promotional giveaways in American marketing history.

Speaker 1 21:47

What are they worth today?

Speaker 2 21:49

Probably nothing, but they kind of think that's where the old pickle on the Christmas tree.

Speaker 1 21:56

Oh, you know, I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 21:58

People say it's a german thing. It's actually not. Um, it's supposed to be like good luck and I think people just make that shit. I like the pickle on the tree.

Speaker 1 22:07

You don't like it I heard I'm good if you like pickles. I don't. I'm not crazy about that elf on the shelf either. What if that's just creepy?

Speaker 2 22:16

so you don't like Elf on the Shelf? You don't like pickles with Elf on the Shelf. Do you like Elvis Presley?

Speaker 1 22:24

I got nothing against him.

Speaker 2 22:25

He was a hunk of hunk of burning love.

Speaker 1 22:26

That's what I hear.

Speaker 2 22:28

And he loved fried pickles and peanut butter pickle bacon sandwiches.

Speaker 1 22:32

Oh, I thought it was bananas. He liked them. He liked it all.

Speaker 2 22:34

I mean, you know for years. That's where he is it all, I mean, you know years. And then the famous term that you use all the time that you're in a pickle. That was coined by Shakespeare, whom you have read avidly.

Speaker 1 22:52

You know what I'm not nuts about him either? You just hit on everything I'm not nuts about today.

Speaker 2 22:56

I know I'm a little worried about you. Maybe this will cheer you up. You ready. How do pickles enjoy a day out?

Speaker 1 23:06

Oh, is this going to be a bunch of pickle jokes from a dad?

Speaker 2 23:10

How do pickles enjoy a day out?

Speaker 1 23:13

How do I don't know how do pickles enjoy a day out?

Speaker 2 23:16

They just relish it. Ah, that's all I got. Michigan is a big pickle producer. By the way, we eat cucumbers, we eat a lot of cucumbers. There's like a dozen companies in Michigan alone that are pumping out pickles.

Speaker 1 23:33

You know, I looked up Heinz Pickle Pills and you can still pickle pins. They're like, uh, that's a tongue twister and they're still available. 10 bucks, 10 bucks. You can get emotional.

Speaker 2 23:46

We should buy those, mark them up and put them on our website.

Speaker 1 23:52

People still love a pickle. And what did you say in the pickle? And oh, let's not forget about pickleball.

Speaker 2 23:59

Oh, that's a thing. Yeah, there's classes.

Speaker 1 24:02

It has nothing to do with pickles. I don't think. Why do they?

Speaker 2 24:04

call it pickleball. Damn, it Shouldn't have brought it up. Now our email inbox is going to be what's the email address?

Speaker 1 24:13

Somebody can give us the answer.

Speaker 2 24:15

Picklelover at gmailcom. That is not mine, it is HeroOrDick2023 because we are living in the past at gmailcom. Heroordick2023. Because we were established 2023. At gmailcom.

Speaker 1 24:29

So what do you say for pickles Hero or Dick Hero? I say they're a hero because they made cucumbers famous. What did cucumbers have going for them? I don't know.

Speaker 2 24:42

Cucumbers and cream.

Speaker 1 24:44

That's it. Maybe on a garden salad.

Speaker 2 24:49

You don't like just getting a cucumber, slicing it up and eating it A little salt. Okay, kate doesn't like anything. I don't like anything. She's throwing shit around, she just doesn't care. You know, don't like anything. She's throwing shit around, she just doesn't care.

Speaker 1 25:00

You know what I do like. Here's something I like, I want to hear it and I'm kind of obsessed with this kid. His name is Benson Boone and he flips. He sings, but he does a flip every time. Do you know of this kid? No, he was on SNL this weekend, so he was on SNL this weekend, so he sings in flips. He opened for Taylor Swift, oh cool.

Speaker 2 25:20

He's some young kid.

Speaker 1 25:21

Yeah, he does flips and he has a. I think I'm kind of late to the game because he opened for Taylor Swift, like I said, and he has a song called Sorry, I'm here for Someone Else and I'm obsessed with that song.

Speaker 2 25:35

Sorry, I'm here for someone else.

Speaker 1 25:36

I like him. Maybe he likes pickles and cucumbers.

Speaker 2 25:40

Maybe that's how he gets the energy to jump.

Speaker 1 25:41

Maybe he does a flip, flip, flip, flip, flip.

Speaker 2 25:45

Dude, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 25:46

But let me Anything else you want to say about pickles, because I have some fast fives for you here.

Speaker 2 25:51

Oh, before I forget, I just want to thank everybody that participated in your survey. That's really cool.

Speaker 1 25:54

Yes, that was really cool survey. That's really cool, yes that was really cool.

Speaker 2 25:57

We've got to have some of these people on.

Speaker 1 25:59

I would love for anyone to be on. So hear me now and call me later and also give any ideas you have for shows we're running out, not really. We have a list of my own Sounds like grocery stores. Grocery stores.

Speaker 2 26:16

We'll wait now?

Condiment Preferences & Final Thoughts

Speaker 1 26:17

Well, now we can't. But how about here's some fast fives? Okay, Ketchup or catsup.

Speaker 2 26:26

Hero, or do you want me to pick one?

Speaker 1 26:30

What's the difference? I?

Speaker 2 26:31

don't know. There probably is a difference there probably is.

Speaker 1 26:34

I only like the ketchup that Austin Brothers makes.

Speaker 2 26:37

You don't, or do I?

Speaker 1 26:38

only like that ketchup that Austin Brothers makes. You, don't, or do you? I only like that ketchup they make theirs in-house.

Speaker 2 26:42

Can you buy it in a?

Speaker 1 26:43

bottle no. I should think about that you can take it home as a leftover, but it's really good. It's saucy, it's like really super tomato-y I like that I don't care for ketchup otherwise.

Speaker 2 27:00

You ever buy.

Speaker 1 27:00

Heinz has the Simply Heinz and it's like no sugar and stuff. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 27:04

Not like Austin Brothers, though.

Speaker 1 27:06

That food is good too. Okay, how about mustard? I put it on a lot of stuff, brown.

Speaker 2 27:14

I just like the yellow mustard. Just traditional yellow Give me a hot dog and some mustard. Chug a Plotchman's or French's Not.

Speaker 1 27:23

French's.

Speaker 2 27:23

French's is good.

Speaker 1 27:24

I like some brown mustard, too Spicy.

Speaker 2 27:27

Yeah, spicy mustard.

Speaker 1 27:29

How about mayo?

Speaker 2 27:30

Yeah, I hate to say it, I like mayo, but I don't like.

Speaker 1 27:34

But do you put it on a hamburger?

Speaker 2 27:36

I do. I did yesterday Duke's mayonnaise.

Speaker 1 27:39

Duke's mayonnaise.

Speaker 2 27:40

I didn't know. Duke had a mayonnaise Top shelf.

Speaker 1 27:42

Oh, it's like nothing. I like the olive oil kind, but usually I only have it like a mix and stuff like a tuna fish sandwich.

Speaker 2 27:50

Oh, Do you have like brand names that you stick to when it comes to mayo or mustard or ketchup?

Speaker 1 27:56

For some, but I don't like ketchup, so I don't.

Speaker 2 27:58

You don't give a shit. I don't care If you're not having it at Austin, I'm not buying any yeah. No, there's no ketchup in your grocery cart there is.

Speaker 1 28:06

I don't even think I have ketchup at home. You know what I do.

Speaker 2 28:10

You don't have it at home.

Speaker 1 28:11

I use barbecue sauce, oh.

Speaker 2 28:13

One of those. You like the barbecue chips.

Speaker 1 28:16

My favorite barbecue sauce is. I can't think of the guy's name. He used to play football for Detroit. Oh, what is his name?

Speaker 2 28:26

Bubba Smith no.

Speaker 1 28:28

No, bob find it while you think about vinegar.

Speaker 2 28:32

Oh, that's a hero. You can do everything with that.

Speaker 1 28:34

Drink it clean with it. It's kind of a probably, probably it is very versatile.

Speaker 2 28:43

It is, you're supposed to, shot of vinegar right.

Speaker 1 28:46

Yeah, apple cider vinegar.

Speaker 2 28:49

Oh, back to your ketchup, though real quick. Okay, because there's vinegar and ketchup, so I'm tying it back.

Speaker 1 28:55

Billy Sims, I think is his name.

Speaker 2 28:56

Oh yeah, yeah, You're right, he was a great running back. Billy Sims, I think, is his name.

Speaker 1 28:59

Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, he was a great running back.

Speaker 2 29:00

He was Son of a bitch. He was good.

Speaker 1 29:01

I'll tell you what else he is great at making barbecue sauce, Barbecue sauce.

Speaker 2 29:05

I think he's.

Speaker 1 29:06

Oklahoma. He's from Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 29:08

Yep Billy Sims.

Speaker 1 29:09

Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 29:10

Nice.

Speaker 1 29:10

You can get it at Walmart or Meijer and just buy Original.

Speaker 2 29:14

Okay.

Speaker 1 29:15

He's got some other spicy ones. No Stick with the original I'm going to buy some Kate Barbecue season's coming up. It's delicious, so it's not like it's super top shelf expensive.

Speaker 2 29:27

Oh, that's good. Billy Sims is looking out for the real people he is. Do you store your what? What did you say? Power, power. Do you put your ketchup if you had ketchup which you don't okay your mustard? Do you keep it in the fridge or in a cupboard?

Speaker 1 29:42

I keep it in the fridge because you know Some people keep it in the cupboard. Well, mustard probably is okay because it has a lot of vinegar, but I say you know why you're on the side, of course. Okay, keep it in the fridge.

Speaker 2 29:55

I keep it in the side, of course. Keep it in the fridge. I keep it in the fridge too. I know people that don't.

Speaker 1 30:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2 30:01

They're like, oh, you want some ketchup, and they pull it out of the cupboard and mayonnaise oh no. Oh my.

Speaker 1 30:09

God no.

Speaker 2 30:10

Sorry.

Speaker 1 30:11

I don't know, mustard, you probably could Vinegar. Of course you don't have to. How about hot sauce?

Speaker 2 30:16

Oh, yeah, I've been liking the hot sauces the last few years.

Speaker 1 30:20

Now do you go just reds Red hot, I like greens, the greens too.

Speaker 2 30:25

Green chili.

Speaker 1 30:26

But what's the name of that popular one?

Speaker 2 30:30

Red hot.

Speaker 1 30:30

Red hot Is that the name of?

Speaker 2 30:32

it. That's hot, yeah, or Frank's is popular Frank's.

Speaker 1 30:39

Yeah, tabasco sauce. I like it in gumbo or something, but not so. That's the only thing you can taste.

Speaker 2 30:44

No, there's some people with the hot sauce stuff that Looks like my car's parked over there. Oh no, that's Never mind.

Speaker 1 30:53

Oh Uh-oh, the world is falling apart here.

Speaker 2 30:56

Their glasses fell apart. Where's Randy again?

Speaker 1 31:00

Lucky, I buy cheaters in the bulk.

Speaker 2 31:04

He's got those little screwdrivers Randy Look at it broke.

Speaker 1 31:07

I mean it's broke.

Speaker 2 31:08

That's really not good.

Speaker 1 31:10

No, we're done with these.

Speaker 2 31:11

Well, when you go to Walmart you can get some. But yeah, I don't like it when the people are like, oh, try these wings, they're so hot you can't enjoy them. No, at some point I'm tough. Look at me Driving my truck. Got my truck flag on.

Speaker 1 31:26

And then they have diarrhea all day. Cha-cha-cha, all right, so that's the only condiments I have, and I think we determined that here are all four pickles, especially for dill pickles. What's your is your preference. Dill, yeah, okay, I don't mind, as good butter, minus sweet. Don't tell anyone. They're good and I like relish too.

Speaker 2 31:50

Oh, I love relish. I'll just eat it by the spoonful I have a dog with relish, my cousin Andrea.

Speaker 1 31:55

Hey Andrea, she makes relish with zucchini instead of, and it is delicious, that's nice, very good. So, okay, yeah, relish. Damn, I'm getting hungry again. I am too. I could go for a hot dog with relish and onions. Go get yourself a brat.

Speaker 2 32:14

Don't they have wieners over there too? At Noikis you stop by and three bucks.

Speaker 1 32:17

Noikis is like the cheapest lunch in town I don't know what it is now $3.50 or something like that and you get a brat and you can put whatever you want on it. So they have corn relish there. I just put a big hunk of corn relish in the salad.

Speaker 2 32:32

That sounds really good it was really good.

Speaker 1 32:34

Damn it.

Speaker 2 32:39

Hungry, really good damn it hungry. Well, anything else you want?

Speaker 1 32:41

to catch, or um, done pickling it up here. I think this was short I don't know. I don't know either I don't see a time, I don't know okay, well, we'll just wrap it up okay, pickles yay thanks everybody, bye.