Hero or Dick
Welcome to Hero or Dick — the podcast where Kate and KJ dig into the strange, funny, and unforgettable corners of history, pop culture, and everything in between. Each episode, we take on famous (and infamous) figures, events, and ideas, breaking them down with humor, insight, and just enough irreverence to ask the question that matters: hero…or dick?
From legendary icons to the odd stories behind movies, music, and everyday life, we pull the threads that make people and moments extraordinary. Along the way, you’ll get Kate’s infamous Fast Five lists (and KJ forgetting his), personal anecdotes, and plenty of chances to weigh in with your own takes.
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~ Kate & KJ
Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick - S3., Ep. 13 - Bloody Mary, Melon Heads, and Hitchhikers
Greetings, Dear Listeners!
Ever wonder why we can't stop sharing stories about hook-handed killers, vanishing hitchhikers, or creatures lurking in the woods?
Join us for this exploration of storytelling traditions that continue to thrive today.
Thanks!
~ Kate & KJ
okay, um hi everybody are we on?
Speaker 2:yeah, we're good, turn it on to go oh, you didn't even tell me welcome to your order yeah, we're just catching up. Yeah, kate, you haven't we had um I don't know what happened delay gas at a broker and oh, yeah, yeah so that was two weeks ago yesterday. So we were supposed to meet and we couldn't because, being the good mom that you are, I am, so I've been going back and forth to gaylord helping her out yes, that's nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep, and she got her cast on yesterday. She's good for four weeks and at the end of four weeks they'll reevaluate. It's a clean break. So it's a break. It's like not sticking out or anything. It's like right on top of where it needs to meld back in gotcha. Gotta love those and the doctor said at the end of four weeks the bones will be sticky and we're like oh so then they're good to go and you go. She'll be in a boot for a couple of weeks. The boot, the boot.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:And then she'll be good to go.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Well, Cassidy, we're wishing you well.
Speaker 2:Yes, we are, she's fine, and it's made me very thankful, not that she broke her ankle, but that she, you know, going back and forth and helping her out doing stuff for her. It's a fixable problem. It's not, like, you know, she has a major disease or anything like that, and so I'm not thankful that she has a broken ankle, but I am thankful that she has just a broken ankle. Yeah, a fixable problem.
Speaker 2:There are folks that have unfixable problems, and that's got to be so stressful, because it's stressful having this fixable problem. There are folks that have unfixable problems, yeah, and that's got to be so stressful, because it's stressful having this fixable problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, a couple things, yeah. First one is Keith and Mel came and visited the cottage. Oh, so that was nice to see them. They brought the kids out.
Speaker 2:What's his wife's name?
Speaker 1:Melanie.
Speaker 2:Do they listen to the show?
Speaker 1:No, oh, I sent him the link. Finally, you can say hi to them. Hi, keith, they're not going to listen, we won't but it was nice catching up with them, seeing the kids.
Speaker 2:How old are their kids? He says he's his brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, baby brother Addison has graduated and gone to college. She's what? Just 18, maybe 17, 18. And then the other one, ellery, is about Joby's age. She just started driving. And then Oliver I don't know Oliver's little yeah, he's a little guy, I don't know, he must be 8 or 10. Sorry everybody, but it was good catching up. But of course we got into telling old stories about the old days in front of the kids. I got a little carried away telling stories.
Speaker 2:I don't know too much.
Speaker 1:Well, they learned stuff they probably shouldn't have learned.
Speaker 2:I told my kids when I'm old, just remember that I probably have dementia and half of what I say is not going to be true.
Speaker 1:Well, I think we can say that for the podcast too. Right both of us.
Speaker 2:This is just all bs, yeah, and when I spout out stuff when I'm old, it doesn't mean it's right and true but she will think it's true um what's your second thing?
Speaker 1:I probably got lots it's been a month it has been.
Speaker 2:And I just want to say welcome to Doug, our newest listener.
Speaker 1:Is it D-U-G or D-O-U-G?
Speaker 2:I think he's got an O in there. It's not Doug like the dog's name.
Speaker 1:Were you all soliciting?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was out telling people to listen.
Speaker 1:Well, welcome Doug, you're with us three, right now we got three brooke, cassidy and doug yeah, um, damn it, kate. There was something else. Hold on, it's in there. Oh uh, I'll self-whore myself a little bit. The book, the book got a really nice review from. It's a very great lakes review. Sarah hailstone, the editor over there what was the?
Speaker 2:there was a terminology she used that I really liked.
Speaker 1:Now I gotta, I gotta look who I sent it to and then sandra seaton, who um was a former professor of mine at central michigan university and who very lyrical name there you go Sandra Seaton. She is a playwright, she's pretty well known and she's even won the Mark Twain Award. Wow, and she. It's weird talking about yourself, but she said that I'm a voice of our time, not here, but for the writing. So yeah, it's riding high on that.
Speaker 2:Okay In the review, in the Great Lakes review I liked where she said that you peeled back the language.
Speaker 1:I do that.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 1:I don't like many words. You peel it back. Peel it right back.
Speaker 2:Peel it back.
Speaker 1:So anyway, that was good.
Speaker 2:Actually she said language, peeled back, feel it back, so anyway, that was good. Actually she said language.
Speaker 1:Feel it back and it is available on Amazoncom, BarnesandNoblecom.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at our texts and you sent me a picture of Cherry, the toy chair from Pee Wee's Playground.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we haven't seen each other. I know it's been a long time. Where did they go? Yeah, that's a good question. It's a chair. Oh the great.
Speaker 2:It's a toy chair. Grand, the actual chair.
Speaker 1:Right Grand Rapids Public Museum.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a wonderful.
Speaker 1:It really is. They've got like a whale mounted inside on the ceiling.
Speaker 2:Jenna got married there in the planetarium.
Speaker 1:In the planetarium.
Speaker 2:Yep on the second floor. It was very nice, and then the reception was downstairs and we ate dinner under the whale.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:What life are you living? Pretty good, I'm happy.
Speaker 1:I made hamburgers last night. Speaking of eating, you know, it was just my son, julian Jovi, who might be popping in here by the way, and then me.
Speaker 1:My wife went to the cottage to have some brook time, which she just came back, so I'm gonna go have some kj time, but anyhow, I make six burgers. There's three of us. I tell them this is so tomorrow I have lunch. Julian, you'll have them for lunch. Jo, jovi, you can have one later. Whenever Julian goes after dinner to go work out, I come back. He's laying practically naked on our recliner you know, he's all sweaty, just in his shorts with the whole container of hamburgers and he's just chewing. I'm like dude. I'm like hey, hey, animal, don't chew with your mouth closed, first of all, and he laughs and then I said did you just eat three burgers laying there? Oh yeah, I'm like kind of Dang it, dude, he's just a chowing machine.
Speaker 1:Well, he's an active person, yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, I eat the same, I'm not active.
Speaker 2:He's not even active.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Our food bill is going to be a lot cheaper in a few weeks here when he returns. Yeah, and he's actually looking forward to going back because he loves the food there. It's like a buffet, you know.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:Cruising the Great Lakes.
Speaker 2:Is he going back to?
Speaker 1:Northwood? I hope so. No, yeah he is. Yep. No, I'm proud of him, except for him eating all the hamburgers. And then Joby was going to stop by and possibly promote the Water Street Commons and Blue Blends.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, hopefully she shows up, and it's only 12.15.
Speaker 1:And then you and I had a visitor just a few minutes ago.
Speaker 2:Who was that Spectrum?
Speaker 1:It was the Christian Coalition. They don't like the name Hero or Dick, and they also don't like our political leanings.
Speaker 2:I would say to them too, fucking bad.
Speaker 1:That's what I kind of said, but anyway. No, actually it was Greg from Spectrum Business, Greg Russman. He's the business account executive. He was a very nice fellow. Stop by. I told him we don't need internet. However, if you're looking for Spectrum business account here in Alpena Michigan, maybe give Greg a call.
Speaker 2:I will take that, because I'm going to cancel our Spectrum.
Speaker 1:That wasn't the intent here, but yeah.
Speaker 2:And just get internet.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And we have a business.
Speaker 1:What's Greg's number right there? Greg's number 989-414-0741 there you go.
Speaker 2:Greg don't, don't even know. You met you for five seconds and yeah, why not greg? He's hope. Did you tell him to listen to the podcast?
Speaker 1:no, I'll call him. We got his number um you gotta shout out the last thing, I guess, because I've been rambling for 15 minutes um how's the building doing over there?
Speaker 2:well, good, um, mike is actually over there. Well good, Mike is actually over there cleaning it right now and the Lifelong Learners are going to tour it on Friday, so I'm a little nervous about having those people there, because God bless them all and it's a great organization.
Speaker 2:You don't have to be older to be in it, but most of the people are older people, retired people, let's that's what are they learning there well, they're gonna learn a lot of history, but there's a lot of stairs and I'm just kind of nervous having all those people up down the stairs.
Speaker 1:Are you teaching them?
Speaker 2:no, I'm not gonna go, I don't know who's teaching them what's going on.
Speaker 1:Mike's gonna be what's he teaching him?
Speaker 2:he's giving him the history oh, okay, of the building.
Speaker 1:I've been seeing those things pop up in these renovation shows, another one called who's Afraid of a Cheap Old House on Prime Video. It's a really cool show. They actually go around and find really cheap old houses or buildings and people renovate them and they get them super cheap. There was an Odd Fellows building in New York and it was super cool. That's yours.
Speaker 2:There are some cool ones. There's a lot that have just gone, you know, unnoticed. Sure Like people don't even know. They're Odd Fellows. Now there's a couple that are redone, there's one that's redone and I'm going to forget where it is Ludington.
Speaker 1:Ludington.
Speaker 2:In Ludington, michigan, you can rent it and it's upstairs. Ludington, in Ludington Michigan, you can rent it and it's upstairs. There's like a storefront downstairs and then you rent the upstairs and it used to be the Adfellows Hall. Yeah, so it is really cool. The guy's name is Ryan something.
Speaker 1:Jankowitz.
Speaker 2:I don't think that was it. I don't think it is either.
Speaker 1:It just seems like I don't remember.
Speaker 2:But anyway, it was a really cool building, very cool. So what's our topic today?
Speaker 1:Our topic today is the Christian Coalition. Oh no, it's not no, I studied the wrong thing. That's why I think it is Urban Legends yes, which is fitting because right now at Sanctuary Cinema here in Alpena, michigan, I know what you did last summer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, there's an urban legend right there.
Speaker 1:Several are in the yard.
Speaker 2:There's a video on the way here and it is. I don't know if it's an urban legend, but it is kind of an urban legend. If you drink your liquor with diet soda instead of regular soda, you'll get drunker quicker.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe Something to do with the sugars.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's not true. How do you?
Speaker 1:know, you know what? Next week you are going to sit here and drink drinks with diet and regular soda.
Speaker 2:Like diet.
Speaker 1:Well, with the boozy, well, that's an interesting one. Yeah, well, you know urban legends? I think they are. Typically this is what I've learned they begin with a real event.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Fabricated tales, yes, misinterpretation, or coincidence, or of coincidence. And then there's hoaxes, of course, and cultural and religious fears.
Speaker 2:And hoaxes are almost different. They are different. They're not almost different, are they? They're different, almost different, are they? They're different from? Well, I think urban legends all start with what we call at our house a shred of grandma truth, because my grandma liked to you know, know everything that was going on, and then the next person who came to grandma's would get a version of that truth.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 2:She interpreted it, you know. So be like how about that? That can't be true. So, aside, parts of it were true, or the the core of it was true.
Speaker 1:Sure yeah, it comes from somewhere.
Speaker 2:Right, and so I think urban legends are like that.
Speaker 1:It's like the telephone game.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:And they not only come from grandmas. Drunk uncles, drunk uncles, whatever. Uh, just oral story storytelling. Hey, did you?
Speaker 2:ever see that snl skin what was it uncle? No, oh my god, watch it, you guys youtube.
Speaker 1:It is so funny good old youtube, and at one time he does sing that every kiss begins with candy.
Speaker 2:Oh oh, so funny, but anyway, yeah. So what are some?
Speaker 1:Well, that's one of the ways that these start Chain emails, or YouTube, tiktok, reddit, tv movies fictionalize them. News outlets.
Speaker 2:And some are just fake news. They're not urban legends, they're just fake news, lies. But I'm going to say one of the most popular urban legends is bigfoot, and I think, again, there's a shred, there's a core of truth that gets blown out. Sure, maybe somebody sees a bear and then thinks it's a man because it's walking upright and they're a long ways away.
Speaker 1:I don't know. And does that come from our fear, like from long ago, encountering a big, hairy creature in the woods? You know, maybe, I suspect so, maybe.
Speaker 2:Maybe I also liked and thought this was true that most urban legends then and Bigfoot is a good example then they're melded into whatever environment you're in. If you're in the Northwest, in Oregon and Washington, they have Bigfoot out there and we have it here. I mean, we were convinced when we were kids we'd go stay in our cabin which was surrounded by woods Not surrounded by woods, but had woods around it. We were like it.
Speaker 1:We were like, oh my god, yeah, bigfoot's out there do you think that is jumping ahead, because I know this is on your list. Is that our version the dog man thing? Is that our version of big yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah okay yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:Um, one thing about urban legends. Most of them are negative. You don't hear many positive ones. There's a few, Like I found there's some. The mysterious hitchhiker that disappears but leaves behind something like helpful advice or a message from the afterlife. Angels on the road, stranded drivers helped by strangers who vanish afterwards. The vanishing nurse a hospital patient saved by a nurse who later returns, turns out to have died years earlier.
Speaker 2:That's the Hitchhiker too. She usually, or he sometimes. The version I read, and I remember it was in a Children's Reader's Digest book and it was the mysterious Hitchhiker named Lavender. Mysterious hitchhiker named Lavender. She was going to a dance and the guy took her to the dance and they danced all night and he went to drop her off, dropped her off and she left her sweater in his car and he went to return it the next day and she had been. Her family said she's been dead for 10 years.
Speaker 1:She had a hell of a night. Coming back from the dead, he kept on dancing. Well, that's the generous spirits. I got into dancing. Get Walter for that. Well, that's the generous spirits I guess are right. So.
Speaker 2:Nathan's not, so I mean he was freaked out by it, if it really happened.
Speaker 1:I think it's super cool.
Speaker 2:That one.
Speaker 1:Just all of the niceties. I mean they're all cool, the nice ones, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I liked this one. Birds are robots, come on, obviously is that a new one?
Speaker 1:think about it.
Speaker 2:I haven't heard that one well that it's a urban legend that birds are robots. Yeah, what are they doing? Collecting data, no doubt spying. It's to make you look at birds differently.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:How about the poison Halloween candy?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Or the razor blades.
Speaker 1:Well, obviously it comes from a real hat thing.
Speaker 2:and then it just yeah, and then it got.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Then your mom's making you dump out every piece of candy. Unramp it, look at it.
Speaker 2:If there's not a ring for it, you can't eat it.
Speaker 1:Dad buys a metal detector, put magnets up for the candy. I shouldn't laugh. Now Something's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Evil clowns? I don't even know. Of course they're evil, they're clowns. Those are all from Greg Hurd. Thank you, greg.
Speaker 1:Thanks, greg, he's a listener. That's four. That's four greg.
Speaker 2:Uh, he's a listener. That's four. That's four, bitch, should I start making?
Speaker 1:a tally well wait, I got one hook man who's hook man?
Speaker 2:is he like, um like?
Speaker 1:like, like the yeah yeah, the, that's what I know. What you did last summer is.
Speaker 2:Is that what it is?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and here's the Google version, or whatever. Lovers parked in a car hear news of a hooked-handed killer. They speed off and later find a hook embedded in the door.
Speaker 2:Now you know what. I heard this one when I was in probably second grade. My brother was in fourth grade and my mom and dad were chaperones on a Boy Scout camping trip, so I had to go too and they told the story. Which what the hell are they doing? Telling these kids this about? This guy has a horrific accident and dies, but his hand got chopped off and it kept going and choking people.
Speaker 1:I've heard versions. I was terrified of that boy.
Speaker 2:Still a little scared.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool. Yeah, the hook, the hook man.
Speaker 2:He didn't have a hook, his hand just kept crawling Sure.
Speaker 1:That's like the Addams family yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's he finally got a job, so he's happy.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's say that Friendly hand. I don't see him doing it. Yeah, he's helpful, he's very helpful.
Speaker 1:That's all he wanted was to be understood New seasonal Wednesday coming out. It's out now.
Speaker 2:Is it out today it started the other day. No, I think today, on Wednesday, they started it.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're right, I'm going to watch that sucker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Catherine Zeta-Jones is Mama Morticia.
Speaker 1:Was she in the first one?
Speaker 2:I don't know A little bit, but I think now she's in more.
Speaker 1:What happened to her? Besides, now she's in Wednesday, I don't know. She did that film with Sean Connery. Sean Connery, I'll take the Rapist for $250. Remember that on SNL, I'll take Eight Tips for $500. Okay, what else you got?
Speaker 2:Here's another one. How about the Bloody Mary one?
Speaker 1:Yes, what do you do? You say her name three times.
Speaker 2:Three times in the mirror if you chant her name, and then what happens? Though I couldn't get a straight answer out of anyone- you get killed. Oh no, I don't know, I don't know either, but that's kind of the whole premise of Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1:Well, it is. And Candyman. Don't they say Candyman, candyman.
Speaker 2:Oh, do I, I don't know Candyman.
Speaker 1:It's a killer show, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Sounds like it.
Speaker 1:But don't you play that. Wait, what's the one that you play running around outside when you're a kid with some Bloody Mary thing? Oh, I don't know the tag. Maybe that was just Maple Ridge.
Speaker 2:This one I didn't know either. Cassidy and Jenna mentioned it the flashing headlights. So there's a couple different variations. They say it started in the 80s. It was a gang initiation. I do remember In which you drive it at night with no headlights, like chicken. And then if someone flashes their headlights, you have to run them off the road and do a drive-by.
Speaker 1:Well, that doesn't sound good, or?
Speaker 2:a similar story is you gotta hide? Oh, these are really urban. Well, they are urban legends, but they're gang-related. Let's say, you had to hide under a parked car and then, when someone comes out to the parked car to get in, you got to slash your ankles.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to say— Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:What I wrote after that was don't join a gang. Yeah, don't join a gang.
Speaker 1:That's similar, then to— Don't do it. That's like the killer in the backseat one.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, or drivers warned repeatedly by another motorist and it turns out to be a killer was hiding in their backseat. I, like the you know my little thing shows, like your Bloody Mary thing. The themes are vanity, fear of spirits and femininity.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I like these little themes that they tie in.
Speaker 2:Themes yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2:How about Slenderman? What's up with him?
Speaker 1:Boy. He really effed up a lot of people's lives. A lot of kids actually took that serious.
Speaker 2:Yes, all right, so fictional supernatural character that originated as a creepy internet meme.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, look at their little webpages, creepy internet meme.
Speaker 2:Look at their little webpages. Two girls stabbed their friend to impress him Like for real.
Speaker 1:Right, it was a big case. I think it was Dateline.
Speaker 2:It was on one of those. Yeah, that's not. No, it's Urban Legends. Hug your friend.
Speaker 1:Hug your friend and buy them a smoothie. Okay, where's Joby?
Speaker 2:So here's some fun ones. The geek from the Wonder Years, the guy Paul Paul, he's Marilyn Manson.
Speaker 1:No, he's not.
Speaker 2:I know, but that's the Urban Legend.
Speaker 1:It is, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What about the one with Marilyn Mansson? Took out his ribs, or whatever.
Speaker 2:That would be true. How about the Life Cereal Mikey? Mikey likes it. Remember those commercials? Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:I remember.
Speaker 2:He died from mixing paprox and coke.
Speaker 1:I heard that one.
Speaker 2:That is not true.
Speaker 1:There was another one. The girl from Poltergeist died from some kind of creature inside of her intestines.
Speaker 2:No, not true no.
Speaker 1:Where does this come from?
Speaker 2:Kate, People are making it up. Huh, but again a little bit of fact.
Speaker 1:I've never heard of the bunny man.
Speaker 2:Who's a bunny man?
Speaker 1:It's a man in a bunny suit. He attacks people with an axe in Virginia. It comes from the 1970s. There was somebody trying to call me and I have. Do not disturb on, but have you seen Donnie Darko?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I wonder if that has anything to do with the bunny man. But the bunny man in there is not killing anybody, he's just a figment of.
Speaker 2:Bunnies sometimes are in movies just to throw people off.
Speaker 1:I love bunnies.
Speaker 2:What's that movie with bunnies in the trunk? And then Nicolas Cage too, Don't mess with the bunny or something about the bunny. He's got the stuffed rabbit for his daughter, Conair oh.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've seen that. You've got a bunny Brooke, by the way, loved the picture that you sent. Which one Of the bunny in your room. It's the funny bunny.
Speaker 2:Oh, the scary bunny. Yes.
Speaker 1:Sheep are. I take it.
Speaker 2:One day I'm going to take him back to that flea market.
Speaker 1:Oh, keep the bunny.
Speaker 2:I don't think he likes living with me, though He'll be all right, he's bored, bring him in here. All right, he might like it in here.
Speaker 1:He might.
Speaker 2:Here's another one. That was I remember this rumor going around the deep fried rat at KFC, like somebody went and got takeout, sure, and it was dark and they were eating and then they turned on the lights.
Speaker 1:And they're eating right Wow. That didn't happen. You sure I don't know. I think that happened in Ludington.
Speaker 2:I think on Ludington.
Speaker 1:It's beautiful there.
Speaker 2:It is really pretty.
Speaker 1:It's a beautiful heart. A week there, one night.
Speaker 2:At the IOOF?
Speaker 1:I don't know what I did.
Speaker 2:How about the alligator or any kind of monster?
Speaker 1:In the sewer.
Speaker 2:In the sewer Snakes, yeah, whenever I go to a house. I think of that, though. Could be a snake in there.
Speaker 1:They're in there.
Speaker 2:They're in there.
Speaker 1:Yep, well, yeah, and then what? The mouse in the Pepsi Coke bottle, or something like that?
Speaker 2:One time this is not a legend, fat Chuck with Cassidy. She was drinking. She was young, she was maybe four, and she was drinking a Faygo root beer and I think it had a screw top on it, but I'm not sure and she drank some of it because she's a kid and she was drinking it. And we looked and there was an open safety pin in it. What's wrong with people? That was a true story. That's not urban legend.
Speaker 1:Look at that.
Speaker 2:And so it was like long enough ago. They didn't even have an 800 number so we couldn't call and complain. And make millions, or maybe they did have an 800 number and I remember my brother Tom. Thanks Tom. He called there. Tom's another listener Bitched him out.
Speaker 1:I don't think he listens. Oh, thanks, tom, he says he does.
Speaker 2:Okay, he does listen All right, but I think Jennifer does sometimes. Thanks Jennifer.
Speaker 1:Five or six. Awesome Sometimes, jay and Laney, they're very busy. A pin safety.
Speaker 2:There was a safety pin and he called what?
Speaker 1:kind of soda? Was it root beer? Was it a and w fago.
Speaker 2:I'm not buying that anymore well, I didn't buy it for you. I still don't buy it. Let's like it what they make a lot of cream soda that's true, not a fan like the rock and ride.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, we're done with fgo here.
Speaker 2:But he did so. They were apologizing, and then you know what they did, though Sent us a coupon for some Faygo, and guess what? We did not use it.
Speaker 1:I mean, who do they think they are? I don't know. That's no way to make you feel good. That's a Michigan product too, it is? I like Faygo Moon Mist Nope. I like Faygo Moon Mist Nope. Come on, nope. A nice rock and rye ice cream float.
Speaker 2:No, but I know people who love them.
Speaker 1:Orange Soda.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, go on. I do like Orange Soda but I like Crush.
Speaker 1:She's switched.
Speaker 2:I had to. How about this? First, I want to mention a website which was kind of fun. It was called snoopscom and it was all Urban Legends, is it?
Speaker 1:snoops or snoops, snoops.
Speaker 2:I think it's snoops S-N-O-O-P-S Probably.
Speaker 1:There's a snoops too. That's where you go to find out if stuff is BS Same thing.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Anything is BS. Same thing. I don't know Well, anything.
Speaker 1:No, snoop sounds right. Okay, I think Snoop Dogg has that on the side, snoop.
Speaker 2:Snoops. His is different, his is 420.
Speaker 1:420.com Skinwalkers.
Speaker 2:What are skinwalkers? Do they peel your skin?
Speaker 1:Navajo lore Witches who shapeshift into animals. The Skinwalker Ranch in Utah is infamous for paranormal events and no shit. There's a documentary on that place Netflix. You gotta watch it. They capture shit on camera. Pretty amazing Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 2:I will watch it. I am Netflix. I can't thank you for that Netflix. How about this one? The ribbon on the neck. You know this one. So maybe the full lady wears various colors of a ribbon on her neck and sometimes in the story she takes it off and her throat is cut.
Speaker 1:Oh, I have heard about that.
Speaker 2:Sometimes she takes it off and her head falls off. I don't like when that happens.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Jennifer first heard it at a sleepover. She said it was super scary.
Speaker 1:I bet Mm-hmm, good luck sleeping in a strange house, yeah.
Speaker 2:So do you have any other ones?
Speaker 1:what? There's some michigan specific ones, that dogman one, of course, but then we have the ada witch. I don't know the ada. Apparently a woman was killed during having an affair and now she haunts a park.
Speaker 2:Uh, sademan see, no, to me the paranormal paranormal it's, I believe it, but I I think it's kind of separate from urban legend.
Speaker 1:Okay. The other one I have is I don't care, there's Alding Light, there's some explained light in the woods. Again, I don't know if that's an urban legend, it just seems like there's shit in the woods and then melonheads Escaped asylum children with large heads are living in the woods. That's also in Ohio and Connecticut.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 1:I don't either Big-headed kids. So if I see a kid with a big head which a lot of my family members have, big-headed kids- I think it's to keep your kids out of the woods Like stay out of the woods those melon heads will get you.
Speaker 2:Melon heads.
Speaker 1:Melon heads, isn't that a candy? Lemon heads, lemon heads, I like those, damn. Those are good. I had a Kit Kat bar. Speaking of urban legends, there was actually not something in it, but something missing from it. What it was? A waferless Kit Kat, are you kidding, wasn't it perfect? Listen to this, I ate one without anybody around. How are you going to close it? And I was like what the? There's no wafers in this. I'm losing my mind. And then I was unwrapping one. I said to my wife well, you know, the other day I had one of these and there was no wafer. I bit into it. Another one without a wafer.
Speaker 2:Somebody wasn't doing our job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I got a friendly freaking clearance bin at Dollar General too, so that makes sense.
Speaker 2:It's called Pitch.
Speaker 1:So I wonder, what that means.
Speaker 2:I don't know. You should have saved it and called them. I should have and said bitch Dad, I mean you're expecting a wafer, come on.
Speaker 1:No, wafer Didn't get the crunch.
Speaker 2:Oh, here's one more the dog in the microwave, or sometimes it's a baby.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? A baby in the microwave? Who put it there?
Speaker 2:Well, no, it depends on the story you're listening to.
Speaker 1:Sometimes LSD-ridden. Well, no, it depends on the story you're listening to. Sometimes lsd ridden hippies did it why they do it kind of a drag show too.
Speaker 2:Okay episode, yeah, yeah it is those damn hippies, I think they um those kids are only eating peanut butter oh yeah but uh, they might have got it from an urban legend too. And then some maybe like an old person or something and they put the poodle in the microwave.
Speaker 1:On accident.
Speaker 2:They thought it was a sweater.
Speaker 1:They thought it was a I don't know, potato Chicken, chicken.
Speaker 2:What do you mistake?
Speaker 1:a poodle for Not much. I mean, if you're going to do it, poodle I suppose, Come together.
Speaker 2:What about that?
Speaker 1:By the Beatles.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like trying to feed into the Paula's Dead myth.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, paula's Dead. There's a big urban legend right there. Hey, yeah, it was barefoot on abbey road. That's reading a lot into him, not wearing shoes, sure, and then he wasn't seen for a while now the fact that, well, you said that you were at culver's last week and you saw elvis.
Speaker 1:That's an urban legend. Too right that he's still alive. It's the truth. I know it is sorry. He is alive and I too. Right that he's still alive.
Speaker 2:It's the truth. I know it is Sorry. He is alive and I also think Jim Morrison is still alive Not really. Maybe he could be on the podcast Jim Morrison. Yeah, he's the urban legend in himself.
Speaker 1:He really is.
Speaker 2:So is Elvis.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they're both dead. Fyi he died in um, so it's elvis.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they're both dead. Fyi, he died on the toilet. Yeah, I think he had a part of the legend no, I think he died in the bathroom I don't know. The king died on the throne yeah, that's terrible, is that?
Speaker 2:was that the headline?
Speaker 1:no, but now I feel bad saying that. Um, let's see tv features like the shows like the X-Files, supernatural, unsolved Mysteries, goosebumps, lore, and they all used Urban Legends. Yes, they did, yeah, they did.
Speaker 2:The book I listened to. Not the whole thing, but part of it was really good. It was called Urban Legends easy to remember, and the author was Nick Harding. Good old Nick, easy to remember, and the author was Nick Harding Good old Nick and I have the audio version and I don't know if it's Nick reading it or who, but they have a British accent and that always helps.
Speaker 1:You love that shit. I do Listen. You know what you should do. The narration for my book.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:No, I'm serious. Oh you're shaking your head, no, but.
Speaker 2:you're shaking your head, no, but you're saying okay, this is exactly what's happening here what else are we done?
Speaker 1:I feel bad. I think we breezed through it.
Speaker 2:I don't know, there's so many you can't just in one of them.
Speaker 1:No, I think I think they are cool, I think they're heroic, even though they're negative and can be kind of evil, because they feed upon what's inside of us, what we're afraid of. You know what I mean. And sometimes it's good because it helps us confront those things and it gives us ways to deal with BS that we can't explain, I guess.
Speaker 2:And it's fun in that you know the scary fun To scare yourselves can be fun. So I do think they're fun and a hero, but I also think the conspiracy theory ones, like the slim man, of course.
Speaker 1:Slender.
Speaker 2:Slender man.
Speaker 1:Got to use the right technique. You don't want to piss anyone off.
Speaker 2:I don't think you can say slim anymore, that's thinner. Oh, thinner, thinner You're so funny. You can seriously see your big ones. No, sure that make you paranoid, right? Or make you stab your friends, yeah. Or join a gang Right of your friends, or join a gang Right. Of course those are dicks, yeah, yeah. But most are heroes for their social bonding. Like you're at a bar or a campfire and you're telling stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. Why do parents do that? Why do adults tell kids that stuff around the campfire? I know it's funny, it's fun, but you want the kids to sleep.
Speaker 2:You want them to sleep at night.
Speaker 1:And then you complain about them the next day because they're crabby.
Speaker 2:Alright, since it's the middle of the summer, I'm sorry. We're moving on to Fast Five now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's talk about more stuff.
Speaker 2:And it's the middle of the summer, so we're going to do summer blockbusters again.
Speaker 1:What is that Movies?
Speaker 2:Yes, have you been to any movies lately?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so. I haven't, I wasn't.
Speaker 2:I can't remember when it was I haven't, but we're going to do it.
Speaker 1:You're going to name some. Oh, I went to the Superman movie.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, that's on the list. Hero or Dick?
Speaker 1:Hero.
Speaker 2:Okay Hero for Superman.
Speaker 1:You know, he dog.
Speaker 2:The dog, yeah, the dog is like creating a sensation.
Speaker 1:It's just a CGI dog, it's Superdog, it's Crypto, and then Supergirl comes in at the end. That's her dog, actually, spoiler.
Speaker 2:Setting up for a sequel.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, her movie's coming out, yeah.
Speaker 2:How about Thunderbolts?
Speaker 1:What is that? I don't know. Oh, my wife saw that. Yeah, she loved it, so it must have been good. Okay, hero.
Speaker 2:Okay, we'll say hero based on Brooks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brooke number. Oh, we counted her. How about she was number one? Our anniversary is this week. Oh happy anniversary Thanks.
Speaker 2:How many years?
Speaker 1:17. Good for you. Just a drop in the bucket it is.
Speaker 2:It is. How about Jurassic Park Rebirth?
Speaker 1:Didn't see it. I didn't see it, I imagine it's a hero because you know it's fine Dinosaurs man Keeping them relevant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. The Velapro they died out so long ago. But you know they're really carrying on their tradition or their ancestry.
Speaker 1:Maybe they're in control, maybe.
Speaker 2:AI, how about Fantastic?
Speaker 1:Four. I didn't see that.
Speaker 2:I didn't either. The kid said it was an 80 out of 100. I'm going to say it's a hero because Pedro's in it. Who's?
Speaker 1:Pedro, pedro. Oh, did you make us talk about him already? Probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll talk about him already Probably. Yeah, we'll talk about him every time. Hero, and I would say hero, although I didn't get to see it when Cassidy broke her ankle. I had tickets to go to see it, but I went to her house.
Speaker 1:How did they do it? You refund those tickets.
Speaker 2:No, I gave them to a friend. Oh, you're so nice oh, you're so nice, so um and the last one I have is mission impossible.
Speaker 1:Number 58. Oh, I think it's hero, and I'll tell you why. It features the land rover defender oh, your car it's in there several times. I didn't see the movie, but I saw the uh trailer and I was bumping julian and you know I don't know if I'm a huge tom cruise fan, but kudos to that dude for still pumping him out, and you know he does.
Speaker 2:He does a lot of this a lot of the sense I think we mentioned this before that he started that franchise when he was 30 and now he's, he's 60 something oh my god, it makes me feel so bad about myself. I kind of feel like I haven't done shit, jeez. But, he's done a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's because he's in that group. I think if we join that group, we would be more successful.
Speaker 2:The Scientologists. Yep, I mean, you can try it.
Speaker 1:I don't want to.
Speaker 2:I was hoping you would. You should infiltrate it for like a year and then report back, Jesse are you listening?
Speaker 1:We haven't talked about that either. We know we're not going to like it. There's a lot to talk about, though.
Speaker 2:Maybe we will, Maybe we'll research it and we'll be like you know what.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I watched no after I watched that lady from King of Queens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she had some interesting stories. Did you watch her show? Yeah, on Netflix.
Speaker 1:She has a book too. I don't read, Just kidding.
Speaker 2:The writer. Yeah, one thing I want to mention about urban legends once I turn my page and sound a few more notes. Oh good, urban legends are usually blended into a part of the local folklore which we kind of talked about, that how they morph to wherever they're being told. The myths sometimes come up, but they're more past, past history. Urban legends are more more past. You know past history. Urban legends are more recent past, gotcha, you know.
Speaker 1:Can't they be rural legends?
Speaker 2:Can they be?
Speaker 1:Why urban?
Speaker 2:I don't know why.
Speaker 1:Only in the city.
Speaker 2:No, they're not A lot of them. Most of them are rural. Yeah, I don't like that Scary stuff happens in the woods.
Speaker 1:Most of the time.
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 1:Will you have any scary stuff happen?
Speaker 2:In the woods.
Speaker 1:That wasn't like self-induced.
Speaker 2:You know, we're so lucky that we have woods all around us.
Speaker 1:We do.
Speaker 2:And I can't imagine now. I mean, I don't go out in the woods often, but it's still nice having trees and woods available, but when we were kids, I mean we spent all the whole our whole childhood in the woods, yep, and I don't mean like you're in the woods, no, I mean, we were in the actual woods, yep. And then when you're older, you're like partying out in the woods because nobody is out there.
Speaker 1:People want to be, by nature, man, the woods and water. We're very lucky.
Speaker 2:We are All right.
Speaker 1:Well, on that note, Okay, Well, thanks everybody for listening, or not?
Speaker 2:Thanks to those nine people.
Speaker 1:The nine people that don't email us at heroordick, at.
Speaker 2:No, heroordick2023 at Gmail.
Speaker 1:That means we've been at this two years.
Speaker 2:This is our third year.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's season three, isn't it?
Speaker 2:It is season three, episode 13.
Speaker 1:Oh, and the Alpena County Fair started today.
Speaker 2:Oh did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so make sure you get down there.
Speaker 2:Are you going?
Speaker 1:to the fair. I am going to go check out the animal barns. Get an elephant ear. Are you going to the fair? I am going to go check out the animal barns. Look at the animals, get an elephant ear. We were supposed to broadcast from there, were we? I don't remember. I think I brought it up.
Speaker 2:I'm a huge fan of the fair.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:Say it Carnes. No, I shouldn't say that. I've known carnies andmine from there I bet you they've they work hard. Some stories man I I'm leery to go on rides now that I'm older. When I was younger I was like go on, but it's like those rides go from here to here, to here to here in the course of you know, a couple weeks yeah they break them down and put them up and I'm sure they have some safety.
Speaker 1:But people are tired.
Speaker 2:I just am really skittish about that, and when I'm at the top of the Ferris wheel I'm like, well, now we're going to die, but at least we have a good view.
Speaker 1:And you had an elephant ear. You don't like elephant ears.
Speaker 2:I'm not they. We have a good view. And you had an elephant ear. You don't like elephant ears. I know I'm not nuts about elephants.
Speaker 1:They're just big pieces of dough. Okay, one last thing before we go. If you were to go to the fair and you could pick one food to order or drink, what would you get?
Speaker 2:Hmm. Well, what can you get other than an elephant ear Corn dog.
Speaker 1:Corn dogs nachos, fries cotton candy. Ophineer Corn dog. Corn dogs nachos fries cotton candy.
Speaker 2:You know what I did get at a fair one time. Fried candy bar and a stick it's a potato, and they cut it in a spiral and then they fry the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Like a giant.
Speaker 1:French fry Nice.
Speaker 2:Very delicious. That does sound good. Spiral potato look for.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they have it at this. If not, ask for it, tell them. Kate from Hero or Dick sent you.
Speaker 2:Or just get some dough, that too, with cinnamon on it.
Speaker 1:I like the elephant ears.
Speaker 2:All right, okay, all right, see you next time. Bye, bye.
