Hero or Dick - S.3, Ep. 15 - The Prince of F'ing Darkness: Ozzy

Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick! 

Kate & KJ track Ozzy Osbourne’s run from slaughterhouse kid to rock icon worth an estimated $220M. Bats, the Alamo, 25 Vicodin a day—then…Dad? Did the Prince of Darkness become a beloved family man? Tune in.

Thanks for listening!

~ Kate & KJ

Transcript

Welcome to Hero or Dick

Speaker 1 0:01

here we are . Hi everyone face to face , a couple of silver spoons . I can't see because my pop filter is don't move it though . Yeah , we're no buzzing because we had a little issue last week which was about urban legends , and the one person that listened to it noticed that actually we probably didn't record much of it because , uh , the microphone the microphone went in and out working well , but welcome to hero or dick yes , welcome season three , episode 15 15 big 15 oh man , the one five the one five .

Speaker 2 0:37

We have an excellent topic today . I'm gonna try moving my chair before we get to the topic , I want to quiz you about something , because I both want to commend you and punch you in the face .

Speaker 1 0:49

Yes , do it .

Speaker 2 0:49

For going to the Cake concert . Yeah , cake .

Speaker 1 0:53

Cake K-A-C-A .

Speaker 2 0:56

It's C-A-K-E the band Cake , the band Cake . I love them . I love them so much that , when their tickets went on sale , cassidy bought some Uh-oh and we were going to cake .

Speaker 1 1:07

You were ? Yeah , I didn't see you there .

Speaker 2 1:10

Months ago . Yeah . And then Cassidy broke her ankle .

Speaker 1 1:15

Did you ?

Speaker 2 1:15

tell me you had tickets .

Speaker 1 1:17

I don't know . There's no way .

Speaker 2 1:18

Well , you're stupid , you could have bought them off me . Well , I didn't buy them . Well , I didn't buy them . Well , I didn't buy them either , but Cassidy sold them . Yeah , so , cassidy , when she fractured her ankle , we just decided it would be too hard for her to go . Well , so we did not get to go to cake , but you got to go to cake .

Speaker 1 1:42

I did . I was dreading it .

Speaker 2 1:44

Why Go ahead ? What were you going ?

Speaker 1 1:45

to say cake . I did , I was dreading it . Why Go ahead ? What were ?

Speaker 2 1:46

you going to say she what she did , sell her tickets Okay .

Speaker 1 1:50

No , I was dreading it because I get a little anxious anyway .

Speaker 2 1:56

Well , here's why I was okay . I'm not okay with missing it . We really wanted to go . I love cake . I've loved them for years . My favorite song is Sheep Go to Heaven , Goats Go to Hell . They sang it Fuck .

Speaker 1 2:12

The whole crowd sang it and actually it was special . It was special because he had people singing one part of it .

Speaker 2 2:19

People singing the other Don't tell me anymore .

Speaker 1 2:21

Okay , but it was excuse me , I was dreading going because my wife . What's that ?

Speaker 2 2:30

It was 90 degrees that day , you know it wasn't too bad , oh good , well , no , it was .

Speaker 1 2:33

Never mind , take that back , because my wife was sweating profusely , but she was dancing and stuff .

Speaker 2 2:38

Well , dancing at a concert , yeah , but I was dreading the 90 degrees .

Speaker 1 2:41

But I was dreading the just traveling . I feared construction . You got to go through Traverse City , but it all worked out well and we got there . It was smooth as can be and the concert was really good .

Speaker 2 2:51

Yeah , they would be .

Speaker 1 2:53

It's so cool to go watch artists that have been at it a while and as soon as they hit that first chord , it's like you think you're listening to the radio .

Speaker 2 3:04

They have a great horn section . And then it pisses me off . They have a great horn section . Oh my God , that guy's .

Speaker 1 3:09

My daughter and her boyfriend went with us and they could not get over how talented that dude was , oh my God , fabulous , fabulous .

Speaker 2 3:17

I don't know any names of people , but it is fabulous .

Speaker 1 3:20

Did you know that their former drummer was arrested for child pedophilia ? He's a pedophile .

Speaker 2 3:26

I did not know that .

Speaker 1 3:27

That was nine years ago , not the current cake .

Speaker 2 3:31

Did they announce that at the concert ? They did . No , they didn't .

Speaker 1 3:35

Oh you kids . No , I read that . But now listen , now she could have went with the broken leg , I'm sorry to tell you because I saw no shit , there was a lady with a baby there for one .

Speaker 2 3:46

Well , that's not cool .

Speaker 1 3:47

But there was , there were old people there , like in wheelchairs , like me . No , I mean old .

Speaker 2 3:52

Well , here's what we said .

Speaker 1 3:56

Well , we can do one of two things she could have got front door service .

Speaker 2 3:58

Yeah , should we go for it and do the wheelchair ? She has a scooter that she gets around on and she just doesn't feel comfortable going .

Speaker 1 4:09

No , I get it , yeah , hot .

Speaker 2 4:10

It's hot , there's a crowd , people are going to bump me . I can't stand up . It would not be comfortable .

Speaker 1 4:16

It wouldn't have mattered there , though it would have been comfortable for me . Not for her . One thing that my wife and brother-in-law , even my daughter , I guess coming around I could care less is that most of the time people sat . Most concerts people stand .

Speaker 2 4:29

Yeah , and that was our fear . No , but it's an older crowd , so they're just sitting down and chilling out .

Speaker 1 4:34

But I think they knew what they were doing because they played like the songs that weren't very familiar . You hear them and you're like , oh yeah , I remember that song . But then they built up to the second half . They had an intermission . No opening band , oh , but an intermission . They had an intermission and then the second half , everyone was on their feet the whole time .

Speaker 2 4:50

Yeah , what's your ?

Speaker 1 4:53

favorite cake song , I like Going the Distance . And what's that ? Short skirt and a long jacket ? Perhaps , perhaps . But they got it .

Speaker 2 5:02

Both very classics , did they sing ? I Will Survive .

Speaker 1 5:04

No , Fuck Damn .

Speaker 2 5:06

I was waiting for that one too . They're waiting for me to be at the concert .

Speaker 1 5:09

That's their last show . It's not , it's not . They haven't made an album in like 15 , 14 years .

Speaker 2 5:16

Okay , I was going to say 10 to 15 . Easy . They were going to Grand Rapids , my favorite , favorite album or it was a CD had a pig on the front . Yeah , sheep go to heaven , goats go to hell , and everybody sing .

Speaker 1 5:34

And he was , yeah , quite a few songs . He's really good about working the crowd . I like him because he's kind of a dick , but not really , and he is political without being political . Okay , you know , what I'm saying , like getting the message out there about treating people well . But it was pretty good you know his net worth is $7 million . That lead singer .

Speaker 2 5:57

We should do the show on cake , I suppose . We should , but we're not . No , we're doing it on somebody .

Speaker 1 6:02

That's why I wanted to bring it up . What Guess who they did a tribute to .

Speaker 2 6:06

Ozzy Osbourne .

Speaker 1 6:07

They sang War Pigs oh really , I'm not kidding you , it was really good .

Speaker 2 6:12

Peep the place . Now I really want to punch in the face . The place went nuts , oh my gosh .

Speaker 1 6:16

And our topic today is .

The Cake Concert Experience

Speaker 2 6:28

Ozzy Osbourne . Yeah , I like how you correlated those two Very nice .

Speaker 1 6:30

I'm sorry for the long intro , so I'm really sad that I didn't go to cake , but next time . Oh wait , and they had a t-shirt gun .

Speaker 2 6:34

Are you kidding ?

Speaker 1 6:34

me . I'm dead serious .

Speaker 2 6:35

Did you get a t-shirt ? No ?

Speaker 1 6:36

They wanted to shoot hot dogs , but they couldn't because of food laws .

Speaker 2 6:40

Yeah , people might eat them .

Speaker 1 6:44

I would eat it . Would you A wiener flying through the sky , who wouldn't Still good ?

Speaker 2 6:48

Bounce it off the floor Still good .

Speaker 1 6:49

And they gave away a tree , a tree . They had a nice size tree on the stage . They do this at every concert and if the person could guess what it was from being back , this lady guessed it was a peach tree . No , peaches were on it and she guessed it , so she got this big tree . I don't know how she's going to get it home , but they have to agree to every year to take a picture with themselves with the tree and they post it on their website .

Speaker 1 7:13

Oh my gosh . But anyway , on to John Michael Osborne , who was born on December 3rd 1948 in Aston , birmingham , England .

Speaker 2 7:24

All right , I have Marston Green . Whatever . Same thing , same place , that's all we got and he just died recently . He's dead . He's dead . Long live Ozzy . Yeah , he lives on , he'll live on forever . And actually , if you , I'm sure once we talk about some of the shit he did , it's amazing he lived to 76 .

Speaker 1 7:49

It's really not fair that he lived to 76 .

Speaker 2 7:51

Not fair to the other people who aren't going to who ?

Speaker 1 7:54

And take care of themselves and try to . It's a crap shoot . Who may or may not sneak six cookies before bed every night ? I bet you I will die before you Fucking did . Anyway , before bed every night . I bet you I will die before you Fucking did .

Speaker 2 8:05

Anyway , he had a cool but not always well , certainly not a healthy life , but he did what he wanted to . But I think most of the time he did what he wanted to because of alcohol .

Speaker 1 8:19

Yeah .

Speaker 2 8:20

And drugs , yeah , and coke , you know . Yeah , that too , but I think mainly alcohol was his device .

Speaker 1 8:29

Before you get there , though . Oh yeah , Do you have anything about his childhood ?

Speaker 2 8:32

Well , his dad's name is Jack he was a toolmaker at General Electric , really and Lillian . His mother , worked at a Lucas factory , which Lucas is an auto and aerospace place in the UK , so they were working class . There's Ozzy , his three older sisters , jean Iris and Jillian hey . Hi and two younger brothers , Paul and Tony Pretty big family then yeah , six kids . They lived in a two-bedroom in Aston UK , Okay .

Speaker 1 9:07

He had dyslexia .

Speaker 2 9:10

Yeah , he had a lot of stuff Dropped out of school . He had dyslexia , adhd , autism , parkinson's . I mean not all at once , well , probably all at once , but later , sure , all at once . So early on dyslexia was discovered . And can I just say is there a different way we could spell or call dyslexia Because people who have dyslexia ? How are you going to spell that ? I didn't know how to spell it .

Speaker 1 9:38

I don't have dyslexia . It's still in front of me and I think I have dyslexia . Looking at it .

Speaker 2 9:42

It's not an easy word , so hey , let's take that thing that people can't read .

Speaker 1 9:48

It's kind of making fun of them . It is . Why not call it Ada ? Whatever they want Something . Yeah , he you know . Do you think he took maybe you'll get to it , maybe it's even in my notes , I don't know but do you think he took on that persona to forge an identity that maybe didn't reflect any of those things ?

Speaker 2 10:10

That's pretty deep , you would think . You know , maybe subconsciously . So I think he did what he could with what he had .

Speaker 1 10:20

Yeah .

Speaker 2 10:21

I guess that's saying the same thing . How did he get the nickname Ozzy ?

Speaker 1 10:25

I don't know . You know , though I do , what is it ?

Speaker 2 10:29

Well , it's pretty simple . His last name's Osborne , which equates to Oz , and then Ozzy .

Speaker 1 10:38

That's it , that's it . I know nothing I mean I figured I was hoping there would be something else . I was thinking maybe it would be something crazy , but no . But that's , all right . He had it tattooed on his knuckles or on his hands Just like you have yours . Yeah , he on his knuckles or on his hands .

Speaker 2 10:53

Well , just like you have yours . Yeah , pow , he worked odd jobs , lots of odd jobs .

Speaker 1 10:56

He was a slaughterhouse worker . Yeah , that was nasty too .

Speaker 2 10:58

A car horn tuner . A car horn tuner .

Speaker 1 11:00

In your construction , that is such a specific job .

Speaker 2 11:01

Yeah , yeah , tuning the horns , god damn it . And so do you get home .

Speaker 1 11:07

I don't know they get tragedy a little nuts , because he also got

Introducing Ozzy Osbourne

Speaker 1 11:10

involved in some petty crime . He did Burglary , I don't know . He did some other stuff too .

Speaker 2 11:18

Burglary before he was 18 . He spent three months in prison . You know why ? Because his dad wouldn't pay the fine . Because he didn't want to placate him Exactly . He wanted him to learn a lesson .

Speaker 1 11:31

You have to fail to succeed . It's true , sometimes it's a little tough out there , kids , it is . It is you got to sack up .

Speaker 2 11:39

But you know it could have went either way , really yeah . It could have worked against him . True , worked at a slaughterhouse . You know what his job was at the slaughterhouse ? No , to kill cows by shooting them in the head With a gun , what , or that like .

Speaker 1 11:53

Thing .

Speaker 2 11:55

I don't know , just shooting them in the head . I keep seeing that video now . That's bad . We brought that up before ?

Speaker 1 12:00

Have you seen that where they kill the cows ?

Speaker 2 12:01

with the thing we did the whole cow thing .

Speaker 1 12:03

Let's not talk about that .

Speaker 2 12:09

Yeah , let's not talk about that . We bought some buffalo , though . I think we talked about that .

Speaker 1 12:13

Yeah , from that place in Amish Place or something .

Speaker 2 12:16

No , it's not Amish , it's in Posen .

Speaker 1 12:18

Oh , that's what it is .

Speaker 2 12:19

It's a bison farm .

Speaker 1 12:21

Are you sure it wasn't an Amish person ?

Speaker 2 12:23

No , it was not an Amish person . It was a no , okay .

Speaker 1 12:27

Nope , all right , let's talk about his other stuff Career , maybe .

Speaker 2 12:32

Oh yeah , okay , what do you want to say about ? So he started . What was his first band ?

Speaker 1 12:38

Was it Black Sabbath , or was there another one ?

Speaker 2 12:41

Well , it was Black Sabbath kind of , and I didn't write down their name but it had a different name . But pretty early on they adopted Black Sabbath , Mm-hmm , and then from there and there was . I don't write down the people's names either , although one we know was Randy Rhoades , eventually .

Speaker 1 13:03

Oh shit , that guy was phenomenal .

Speaker 2 13:04

He was one of the best guitar players and died in a freak accident of the best guitar players and died in a freak accident . As he was on the bus , the tour bus , he and the pilot , or he and the costumer , a woman went up in the plane , uh with , um , I guess , uh , the tour plane and they were just flying around with this pilot , who later was a drunk , or on drugs or both , so they swooped down to kind of dive bomb on the tour bus and they hit a tree and they crashed and they all died and they actually put like a Memorial or something there .

Speaker 2 13:54

Well , maybe I can't remember where they were either . I didn't jot that down , man , my research skills .

Speaker 1 14:00

I didn't know that's how that happened . That's terrible .

Speaker 2 14:02

It is terrible . And so Randy Rhodes he was like 24 , 25 when he died and that really , really , really affected Ozzy . He went into a depression , and if you're an addictive personality , how do you treat depression ? Drink it away , you drink it , you snort it , you pop it away .

Speaker 1 14:27

So he did that for many years

Early Career and Black Sabbath

Speaker 1 14:30

and still lived to be 76 , and still lived to be 76 . And still lived to be 76 . It was , with Black Sabbath , from 68 to 79 , right . And then they had reunions after that .

Speaker 2 14:39

Yeah , and so he did get kind of thrown out of Black Sabbath at the time because they said he was doing too much alcohol , drugs , coke , and he said , hey , seems to be on par with everybody else , but I think it was affecting him more and he was replaced with Ronnie James Dio From Dio , from Dio . Yeah , he must be a guitar player too , but he sings kind of high .

Speaker 1 15:09

I don't know .

Speaker 2 15:10

He's not my taste , but some people love him . Some people love him . And then Ozzy went on to his solo career . One of his tours was I liked this . His dad named it too . It was called Blizzard of Oz . Very nice , good job , jack . I think that's his dad's name .

Speaker 1 15:29

That was like his debut for his solo career , wasn't it ? Yeah , it had Crazy Train on it , mr Crowley . Other hits he had was Diary of a Madman and is that when Zach Wilde came in ? I think so , dude , that guy can shred too . He can shred . Wow , he's a good shredder . Speaking of shredders , no . And then let's see Ozfest . No talk of business , no , ozfest from 96 to 2018 . Him and Sharon created it and it gave platforms to heavy metal bands like Slipknot , disturbed , system of a Down Love System of a Down .

Speaker 1 16:01

Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , aerials , that's a good song . Oh , it's a good song Aerials in the sky .

Speaker 2 16:10

What's the prison song ? I think it's called the Prison Song by them . I love that song . Check it out .

Speaker 1 16:16

Check it out , check , check . What did the bat incident happen ? I want to get to that .

Speaker 2 16:22

Well , I wrote it down because everybody knows the bat incident 1982 .

Speaker 1 16:27

Okay Des Moines .

Speaker 2 16:28

Iowa . Oh my gosh , you're out . I was there , A bunch

Notorious Incidents: Bats, Doves, Alamo

Speaker 2 16:30

of executives .

Speaker 1 16:30

I was there .

Speaker 2 16:31

A bunch of executives . I was not . Wasn't that the bat , or was that the chicken ? No , that was a dove . Sorry , he did the dove for the record label . The bats he did in front of a crowd , right , and you know , I was at a house party last Friday and I said hey , everybody .

Speaker 1 16:49

You still go to house parties . And I said hey , everybody , you still go to house parties , I do . Was it like a rave ?

Speaker 2 16:52

No , oh God , it was a porch party actually . Oh , awesome , yeah , having a few cocktails on the porch , and I kind of informally polled everyone what's your tell me about your memory of Ozzy Osbourne ?

Speaker 1 17:07

Do you have any shout outs , though , to give ? Are you going to do it as we go ?

Speaker 2 17:10

I Do you have any shout-outs though , to give ? Are you going to do it as we go ? I can give shout-outs at the end . All right , they're not shout-outs , they're belly hoos .

Speaker 1 17:16

I forget .

Speaker 2 17:17

So everybody there said the bats Biting the head off the bat , that's their memory of Ozzy . Hmm , yeah , one person did say talked about reality show .

Speaker 1 17:33

I'm going to re-watch that . It's on Prime and he also has that one with his kid ?

Speaker 2 17:36

Yeah , I like that show . I watched that one , and then they also he and Sharon and Jack did the Osbournes Want to Believe ? Sometimes that one's fun to watch too . I remember that they're just sitting watching videos , but they're like paranormal or UFOs . Oh , I do remember that they're just sitting watching videos , but they're like paranormal or UFOs .

Speaker 1 17:54

Oh , I do remember that , yes .

Speaker 2 17:56

So that's kind of fun , and then they raid them . But before we get to that , oh , yeah , there's lots . What was I saying ? Oh , okay , the bat incident , yeah , and then you got the dove incident . Yes , and then you got the Dove incident which that was , with the record executives .

Speaker 1 18:20

Yeah , those pricks . Then he was arrested in 1982 . And other times For pissing .

Speaker 2 18:26

On the Alamo .

Speaker 1 18:27

Yeah , why wouldn't you ?

Speaker 2 18:28

I love the story behind that , though , sharon , which we'll talk about , sharon , in a little bit . Sharon hid his clothes because she's like you , drunk fucker . I'm hiding your clothes , you can't go anywhere .

Speaker 1 18:39

That's not going to stop him .

Speaker 2 18:40

He put on her clothes and went for a walk . And at one point he stopped to take a pee and it happened to be on the wall of the Alamo and the cops busted him and he was banned from San Antonio for a decade . So he not only was peeing on the Alamo , Banned for a decade . But he was in drag .

Speaker 1 19:02

let's say you know , all that did is hurt their economy . You know what I mean . That's right , because he could draw people in there .

Speaker 2 19:07

Right , he's probably like whatever . And then he and Jack later went back on their show .

Speaker 1 19:12

Yes , they did .

Speaker 2 19:13

And he was like I don't want my kid kicked out .

Speaker 1 19:18

And they didn't Suicide solution Lawsuit 1986 .

Speaker 2 19:22

I know nothing about that . You do what Tell me Inform me .

Speaker 1 19:27

Parents blamed him for the death of their son .

Speaker 2 19:36

The case was dismissed . Yeah , I'm sorry that they lost their son to suicide , but yeah , it's not as he's strangled sharon he did , he did during a blackout yeah , yeah , he did do that , but 1989 she dropped the charges which you , which a lot of wives do , and again , alcohol . He didn't even remember doing it .

Speaker 1 19:56

No , who doesn't know somebody . This is not excusing the behavior , but it's nasty Alcoholism drug abuse .

Speaker 2 20:03

It's horrible .

Speaker 1 20:04

People do shit that it's not even fucking fathomable in real life .

Speaker 2 20:08

Trust me , I know myself here's another instance when he was drunk in Germany and he got thrown out of the concentration camp because of drunkenness . Who gets thrown out of a concentration camp ? Well , as he has worked .

Speaker 1 20:25

What was he doing there , drunk ?

Speaker 2 20:26

Yeah , I don't know , but he did . He did it . He probably was everywhere drunk . He probably did . George W Bush invited him to the White House and guess what he did ? I don't know . He got drunk , george .

Speaker 1 20:39

Bush did .

Speaker 2 20:39

No , as he did , and he screamed wildly at the crowd of 1,800 people Good job . And GWB said this might have been a mistake . You think people , good job , and GWB said this might have been a mistake ? Yeah , I think , george W . George , you know what else he liked to do . I don't even think he was drunk when he was doing this .

Speaker 1 21:02

Right ATVs . Okay , he was probably drunk yeah and he got in a few accidents 2003, . He got severely injured . What were you going to say ?

Speaker 2 21:11

I was going to say if you were a guest at his house when you went to sleep he liked to shave your eyebrows off .

Speaker 1 21:19

Who does that ? That's his husband .

Speaker 2 21:23

I'm going to do that to my kids , can you ?

Speaker 1 21:25

imagine Shave their eyebrows off . Right before they go back to school .

Speaker 2 21:31

No eyebrows .

Speaker 1 21:32

They'll start a trend . He used to dance in graveyards and howl at tombstones and he once fired a shotgun who hasn't In the studio ,

Sharon's Influence and Relationship

Speaker 1 21:41

in the studio , at the windows . Oh , okay , blew them out . He told her it was for therapy . Well , did he feel better ? He must have , because then , shortly after that , he snorted a line of ants , with Motley Crue Snorting ants .

Speaker 2 21:54

Just to see what would happen .

Speaker 1 21:56

I guess so .

Speaker 2 21:57

He also accidentally drugged a vicar which is like a priest kind of person .

Speaker 1 22:04

In the UK you brought that term up before A vicar , a vicar's house or a vicar what's that thing ?

Speaker 2 22:10

Never mind Vicar .

Speaker 1 22:13

He painted hotel walls with shark blood .

Speaker 2 22:16

Oh .

Speaker 1 22:17

Didn't get that one .

Speaker 2 22:18

Did you ? I did not , but let me tell you more about this vicar story . Do it Thelma , his first wife , which he has three kids with what ? Yeah , I didn't know that it's true , I think three . So I didn't know that it's true , I think three . Thelma gave a big piece of cake to the vicar when he came to visit which why , as a vicar , are you going to Ozzy Osbourne's ?

Speaker 1 22:43

Maybe he thought he was going to save him . Well , if it's the Prince of Darkness , what ?

Speaker 2 22:46

bigger challenge , I guess . Well , here's what happened Thelma gave him a big piece of cake that Ozzy had laced with Afghan hash and she didn't know it , and three days later the vicar finally came out of his coma he wasn't in a coma , but he didn't know what happened . He was quite buzzed up .

Speaker 1 23:06

Probably the best three days of his life . That would have maybe put Ozzie out for an hour , but that guy got the brunt . That's terrible , funny .

Speaker 2 23:15

He did believe in . He was very Christian and believed in Jesus Christ Amen . He prayed before performances and he was christened in the Church of England . So it's not like he . Yeah , he had the persona of the Prince of Darkness , but Did he really kill the puppies ? No , or kittens , depending on the story .

Speaker 1 23:36

I remember my uncle telling me that story at my grandma's one time . I hope not . He's like you know that he wouldn't play until they killed puppies . That makes no sense , because he's an animal lover . That's not true , though .

Speaker 2 23:46

Yeah , he loves the dogs . I mean , Sharon had the dogs all over .

Speaker 1 23:50

On that show . He said that he was stoned all the time on the Osbournes .

Speaker 2 23:55

On the reality show . Yeah , I think so . I love him . He would just sit there in color like a toddler . Can I get a burrito ? Oh God , yeah .

Speaker 1 24:08

He's on Instagram reels . Everywhere People share stuff .

Speaker 2 24:11

It's hilarious . And Sharon , who was he , met . She was the secretary for her dad and they were . Her dad ended up becoming his manager and that's how they met . And you know , kudos to Sharon . She stuck by him , but she also kind of knew how to keep him in line , or at least keep him in line enough to— she didn't put up with , you know— . Well , she did put up with a lot of stuff I know .

Speaker 1 24:47

But she kind of tried to boss him around . She did he needed that Later ?

Speaker 2 24:52

Yeah , he did . He needed Sharon . In 1972 , at the end of his US tour , he dosed himself with penicillin from sampling all the groupies so he wouldn't go home and give Sharon . That was nice of him . That was nice of him .

Speaker 1 25:06

You've got to be thoughtful like that .

Speaker 2 25:07

And I don't know . It said his wife , and I assumed it was Sharon , but maybe it was Thelma then in 72 . The other thing he did , though , was the fear of AIDS in the 80s kept him loyal then to Sharon , so he quit fucking around on her .

Speaker 1 25:25

You couldn't just be loyal because she's your wife ? Well , no , of course not .

Speaker 2 25:30

If you're a rock star that's not enough . Yeah

The Osbournes Reality Show Legacy

Speaker 2 25:35

, you know you're going back to the reality show . So they started that . In what year was that 2002 . 2002 . They started that and that was really the first reality show of its kind . I mean , people have done it over and , over and over again .

Speaker 1 25:52

Yeah , like a family .

Speaker 2 25:53

But it really was the first one of its kind . And again , kudos to Sharon , because you know who's selling it , to the networks or to whoever needs to buy it . I mean , it wasn't Ozzy getting out there and marketing the family because they need money , it was Sharon and it was mind blowing .

Speaker 1 26:12

Like you're like whoa really .

Speaker 2 26:14

Yeah , it was the real thing too . They didn't . They didn't . No mincing thing too , they didn't .

Speaker 1 26:18

No mincing words .

Speaker 2 26:20

No , they didn't candy coat anything . It was the real thing .

Speaker 1 26:24

I think everybody should broadcast their life .

Speaker 2 26:27

Isn't that a movie ?

Speaker 1 26:29

Truman .

Speaker 2 26:29

Show Truman Ed . Is that a movie ever ?

Speaker 1 26:32

I don't know . Truman Show , the Truman Show .

Speaker 2 26:35

Fuck that end makes you cry , Ed no the end , oh , the end of Truman Show , because he , I can't remember . Does he find out what happens ?

Speaker 1 26:45

It's just sad and beautiful .

Speaker 2 26:49

He hits that end of the fucking earth . Oh my God , heavy sigh there Continue . All right , let me talk about Ozzy and his reality show . He was taking 25 Vicodin a day when they were doing the show . How ?

Speaker 1 27:02

can you survive that ? Again he did it , damn it . Why can't we just fucking hurry it up ?

Speaker 2 27:08

I know like if I put 20 people in a room between us , we have not taken 25 Vicodin Ever All of our lives . I mean , he had some resistance . I haven't read it , but I guess in 2009 he wrote a bio . It's called I Am Ozzy and I guess it's great it's called it was Honest and Humorous . I haven't even heard of that . I didn't either .

Speaker 1 27:38

I would love it's great it's called . It was honest and humorous . I haven't even heard of that I didn't either .

Speaker 2 27:41

I would love to read it .

Speaker 1 27:42

Maybe we should have that in our book club .

Speaker 2 27:44

In our book club . Yeah , okay , we'll do it . Oh , he's a naturalized US citizen too . That's helpful . Well , it is these days . Mm-hmm , mm he is these days . What else can you tell us about ?

Speaker 1 27:57

Ozzie Ice would get rid of him .

Speaker 2 28:00

If he were alive today yeah , he'd be gone Fuck . Ozzie . He'd be gone , even though he's our national treasure and the UK's national treasure .

Speaker 1 28:08

What else do I have ?

Speaker 2 28:09

Yeah , what can you tell me about Ozzie that we haven't already said ?

Speaker 1 28:13

At the time of his departure from this earth , he was worth $220 million , I would have guessed more . The estate was split between Sharon and the children . He's donated a lot to hospitals , Parkinson's research and children's causes . He idolized the Beatles . One of his bucket list things was to meet Mr Paul , and I guess he did . I would hope he did . I'd like to be in that room . You imagine , though , Paul , and I guess he did .

Speaker 2 28:35

I would hope he did . Yep , I'd like to be in that room . Can you imagine , though , paul and Ozzy .

Speaker 1 28:41

Somebody would probably . He's looking forward to meeting Paul McCartney , but you can't you think that Paul McCartney's like oh , it's Ozzy , fucking Osbourne .

Speaker 2 28:48

You know what I mean . I don't think Paul McCartney says that about anybody Really , because he's Paul .

Speaker 1 28:53

McCartney . What has he done ? Just kidding Paul ? I don't want him not to come on the show .

Speaker 2 29:00

So I say , wrapping up , ozzy , he's a family man , he really is , who paid for his sins , which Dearly Because he wouldn't have all that shit . Poor health in later years and you know bad investments . I'm sure he wasn't always worth $220 million . He paid for what he did Right and man , he did a lot of dickish things . A lot , sure , A lot Alcohol could do that . But overall I say Harold , yeah .

Speaker 2 29:37

And not just because he died recently Right , I would have said it before , if you would have . And kudos to Sharon and the rest of his family too for putting up with them for one thing and sticking by him . Yeah .

Speaker 1 29:49

I think he was a dick , but he had his whole life to turn it around and he did .

Speaker 2 29:53

He did .

Speaker 1 29:54

So you can become a hero by conquering your dickishness .

Speaker 2 29:56

So maybe if he would have died early he could have died a dick ? Yep , I think so . But he redeemed himself . Yep , now he's a hero , he is a hero .

Speaker 1 30:04

Did you ever get a hold of Greg ?

Speaker 2 30:06

Oh , no From .

Speaker 1 30:07

Spectrum , business Spectrum . No , his business card is still there .

Speaker 2 30:13

I don't want to give him the Ballyhoo

Hero or Dick Verdict

Speaker 2 30:14

to the League of Women Voters , people who may have tuned in for the first time .

Speaker 1 30:19

Hey , explain to me , like I'm a five-year-old , what I always do .

Speaker 2 30:24

I know what is the League of Women Voters , so League of Women Voters helps you decide where , who and why to vote .

Speaker 1 30:33

Okay .

Speaker 2 30:33

We want everyone to vote . It's nonpartisan . We never pick a candidate , you pick the candidate . We just want you to vote . Okay and that's pretty much it . That's awesome .

Speaker 1 30:46

So it's educational .

Speaker 2 30:47

It is educational yeah .

Speaker 1 30:49

Now , what are they going to do ? Are they going to help fight the trying to get rid of mail-in votes ?

Speaker 2 30:57

I don't know . That's a very new topic , so I don't know about that .

Speaker 1 31:02

The only reason I voted the last few elections is because you can do a mail-in .

Speaker 2 31:06

Exactly , I agree . I think there are so many people who need to do a mail-in vote that , as long as it's legal , official , why not ? Why would you not want people ? Why aren't we all mailing it in ? Post office needs some work .

Speaker 1 31:24

It's fucking 2025 . Why aren't we using biometrics to log into your fucking computer ?

Speaker 2 31:28

Why can't you just think it and they read it ? That's coming , that's coming .

Speaker 1 31:33

All right , what else you got ?

Fast Five: Classic Books

Speaker 2 31:35

I have some fast fives for you . Okay , and because we went so crazy with Ozzy . Crazy , that's Patsy Cline . I wish we could we have for our fast five . Oh , okay , yeah .

Speaker 1 31:51

I thought you were going . Patsy Cline , crazy . You know we can't play the music , can we ? We'll get in trouble .

Speaker 2 31:54

Oh no . You got to pay , pay , pay . But the fast five is classic books . So the first classic book that I want you to tell me is a hero or a dick is To Kill a Mockingbird Hero yeah , of course , I mean , that was kind of a given . Yeah , how about Pride and Prejudice , dick ? I'm not a fan of it . I'm not a fan of it . I'm not a fan . No , I say Dick Elson . How about Great Gatsby ?

Speaker 1 32:27

It embodies dickishness , but it's heroic ? It sure does , yeah heroic Scott Fitzgerald's a fucking drunk .

Speaker 2 32:34

He was , and he didn't grow to be old enough to get out of his dickishness . No , so I .

Speaker 1 32:43

The book was good , though .

Speaker 2 32:44

Was the book good ?

Speaker 1 32:45

The movie's good . He's not that good of a writer . Oops , sorry , I'm just kidding .

Speaker 2 32:50

No , he's fine , he's a good writer , I think that if he F Scott , if he hadn't been , what's the F for ?

Speaker 1 33:02

Fucking If he hadn't been . What's the F for Fucking , Scott ? If he hadn't been so messed up with drugs or alcohol Well , drugs too , but alcohol I think he would have been an even better writer ?

Speaker 2 33:05

Maybe not , though . Oh , maybe we would never even have heard of him , that's true , maybe I still say it's a dick . How about 100 Years of Solitude ? Oh , that's a heroic book . You don't like it , yeah .

Speaker 1 33:16

Years of Solitude .

Speaker 2 33:17

Oh , that's a heroic book . You don't like it . Yeah , you know what I tried to read it and I couldn't read it . Oh , yeah .

Speaker 1 33:21

It's kind of wandery yeah .

Speaker 2 33:23

I mean , I wanted to like it so much too .

Speaker 1 33:26

It's not very long . No , it's a short book . It's like you're sitting on the back of a butterfly floating around reading it , because it's it floats . It's kind of floaty . The writing to me . I liked it , though I mean I wouldn't take it with me out of my top 20 .

Speaker 2 33:42

No , but You're not taking it to the desert island , fuck , no .

Speaker 1 33:46

Not , unless I , no , never mind .

Speaker 2 33:48

How about the last one , excuse me , 1984 .

Speaker 1 33:53

Boy , you know that's got to be heroic right . Why Kind of telling of like now right ?

Speaker 2 34:00

It is , I like it . I say hero .

Speaker 1 34:02

Georgie , right ? George Orwell , yeah , did you read his short storybook ? Damn it , I can't remember the name of it . It's really , really , really , really good . I'll think of it and talk about it next time . Yeah , talk about it next time . You can talk about it next time . Maybe , if people can remember , they can email us at heroordick2023 at gmailcom .

Speaker 2 34:24

Yeah , dot com , I'm so impressed that you just rattled that off .

Speaker 1 34:27

Yeah , you know , I try to work it in . Should we cover our sponsors today ?

Speaker 2 34:32

Which word ?

Speaker 1 34:33

Us ? Yeah , what else do we have to leave the folks with Want to talk about Alpena at all ? Are you done talking about Alpena ?

Speaker 2 34:41

I'm done with Alpena right now . I mean , they're fine , we're fine in Alpena , we're good here , it's rainy today , so whatever .

Speaker 1 34:47

Nice weather though .

Speaker 2 34:48

It feels good after the heat and humidity . All right , now we're talking about the weather , so we got to