Hero or Dick
Welcome to Hero or Dick — the podcast where Kate and KJ dig into the strange, funny, and unforgettable corners of history, pop culture, and everything in between. Each episode, we take on famous (and infamous) figures, events, and ideas, breaking them down with humor, insight, and just enough irreverence to ask the question that matters: hero…or dick?
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~ Kate & KJ
Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick - S.3, Ep. 15 - The Prince of F'ing Darkness: Ozzy
Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick!
Kate & KJ track Ozzy Osbourne’s run from slaughterhouse kid to rock icon worth an estimated $220M. Bats, the Alamo, 25 Vicodin a day—then…Dad? Did the Prince of Darkness become a beloved family man? Tune in.
Thanks for listening!
~ Kate & KJ
here we are. Hi everyone face to face, a couple of silver spoons. I can't see because my pop filter is don't move it though. Yeah, we're no buzzing because we had a little issue last week which was about urban legends, and the one person that listened to it noticed that actually we probably didn't record much of it because, uh, the microphone the microphone went in and out working well, but welcome to hero or dick yes, welcome season three, episode 15 15 big 15 oh man, the one five the one five.
Speaker 2:We have an excellent topic today. I'm gonna try moving my chair before we get to the topic, I want to quiz you about something, because I both want to commend you and punch you in the face.
Speaker 1:Yes, do it.
Speaker 2:For going to the Cake concert. Yeah, cake.
Speaker 1:Cake K-A-C-A.
Speaker 2:It's C-A-K-E the band Cake, the band Cake. I love them. I love them so much that, when their tickets went on sale, cassidy bought some Uh-oh and we were going to cake.
Speaker 1:You were? Yeah, I didn't see you there.
Speaker 2:Months ago. Yeah. And then Cassidy broke her ankle.
Speaker 1:Did you?
Speaker 2:tell me you had tickets.
Speaker 1:I don't know. There's no way.
Speaker 2:Well, you're stupid, you could have bought them off me. Well, I didn't buy them. Well, I didn't buy them. Well, I didn't buy them either, but Cassidy sold them. Yeah, so, cassidy, when she fractured her ankle, we just decided it would be too hard for her to go. Well, so we did not get to go to cake, but you got to go to cake.
Speaker 1:I did. I was dreading it.
Speaker 2:Why Go ahead? What were you going?
Speaker 1:to say cake. I did, I was dreading it. Why Go ahead? What were?
Speaker 2:you going to say she what she did, sell her tickets Okay.
Speaker 1:No, I was dreading it because I get a little anxious anyway.
Speaker 2:Well, here's why I was okay. I'm not okay with missing it. We really wanted to go. I love cake. I've loved them for years. My favorite song is Sheep Go to Heaven, Goats Go to Hell. They sang it Fuck.
Speaker 1:The whole crowd sang it and actually it was special. It was special because he had people singing one part of it.
Speaker 2:People singing the other Don't tell me anymore.
Speaker 1:Okay, but it was excuse me, I was dreading going because my wife. What's that?
Speaker 2:It was 90 degrees that day, you know it wasn't too bad, oh good, well, no, it was.
Speaker 1:Never mind, take that back, because my wife was sweating profusely, but she was dancing and stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, dancing at a concert, yeah, but I was dreading the 90 degrees.
Speaker 1:But I was dreading the just traveling. I feared construction. You got to go through Traverse City, but it all worked out well and we got there. It was smooth as can be and the concert was really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they would be.
Speaker 1:It's so cool to go watch artists that have been at it a while and as soon as they hit that first chord, it's like you think you're listening to the radio.
Speaker 2:They have a great horn section. And then it pisses me off. They have a great horn section. Oh my God, that guy's.
Speaker 1:My daughter and her boyfriend went with us and they could not get over how talented that dude was, oh my God, fabulous, fabulous.
Speaker 2:I don't know any names of people, but it is fabulous.
Speaker 1:Did you know that their former drummer was arrested for child pedophilia? He's a pedophile.
Speaker 2:I did not know that.
Speaker 1:That was nine years ago, not the current cake.
Speaker 2:Did they announce that at the concert? They did. No, they didn't.
Speaker 1:Oh you kids. No, I read that. But now listen, now she could have went with the broken leg, I'm sorry to tell you because I saw no shit, there was a lady with a baby there for one.
Speaker 2:Well, that's not cool.
Speaker 1:But there was, there were old people there, like in wheelchairs, like me. No, I mean old.
Speaker 2:Well, here's what we said.
Speaker 1:Well, we can do one of two things she could have got front door service.
Speaker 2:Yeah, should we go for it and do the wheelchair? She has a scooter that she gets around on and she just doesn't feel comfortable going.
Speaker 1:No, I get it, yeah, hot.
Speaker 2:It's hot, there's a crowd, people are going to bump me. I can't stand up. It would not be comfortable.
Speaker 1:It wouldn't have mattered there, though it would have been comfortable for me. Not for her. One thing that my wife and brother-in-law, even my daughter, I guess coming around I could care less is that most of the time people sat. Most concerts people stand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was our fear. No, but it's an older crowd, so they're just sitting down and chilling out.
Speaker 1:But I think they knew what they were doing because they played like the songs that weren't very familiar. You hear them and you're like, oh yeah, I remember that song. But then they built up to the second half. They had an intermission. No opening band, oh, but an intermission. They had an intermission and then the second half, everyone was on their feet the whole time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's your?
Speaker 1:favorite cake song, I like Going the Distance. And what's that? Short skirt and a long jacket? Perhaps, perhaps. But they got it.
Speaker 2:Both very classics, did they sing? I Will Survive.
Speaker 1:No, Fuck Damn.
Speaker 2:I was waiting for that one too. They're waiting for me to be at the concert.
Speaker 1:That's their last show. It's not, it's not. They haven't made an album in like 15, 14 years.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was going to say 10 to 15. Easy. They were going to Grand Rapids, my favorite, favorite album or it was a CD had a pig on the front. Yeah, sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell, and everybody sing.
Speaker 1:And he was, yeah, quite a few songs. He's really good about working the crowd. I like him because he's kind of a dick, but not really, and he is political without being political. Okay, you know, what I'm saying, like getting the message out there about treating people well. But it was pretty good you know his net worth is $7 million. That lead singer.
Speaker 2:We should do the show on cake, I suppose. We should, but we're not. No, we're doing it on somebody.
Speaker 1:That's why I wanted to bring it up. What Guess who they did a tribute to.
Speaker 2:Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 1:They sang War Pigs oh really, I'm not kidding you, it was really good.
Speaker 2:Peep the place. Now I really want to punch in the face. The place went nuts, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:And our topic today is.
Speaker 2:Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah, I like how you correlated those two Very nice.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry for the long intro, so I'm really sad that I didn't go to cake, but next time. Oh wait, and they had a t-shirt gun.
Speaker 2:Are you kidding?
Speaker 1:me. I'm dead serious.
Speaker 2:Did you get a t-shirt? No?
Speaker 1:They wanted to shoot hot dogs, but they couldn't because of food laws.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people might eat them.
Speaker 1:I would eat it. Would you A wiener flying through the sky, who wouldn't Still good?
Speaker 2:Bounce it off the floor Still good.
Speaker 1:And they gave away a tree, a tree. They had a nice size tree on the stage. They do this at every concert and if the person could guess what it was from being back, this lady guessed it was a peach tree. No, peaches were on it and she guessed it, so she got this big tree. I don't know how she's going to get it home, but they have to agree to every year to take a picture with themselves with the tree and they post it on their website.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. But anyway, on to John Michael Osborne, who was born on December 3rd 1948 in Aston, birmingham, England.
Speaker 2:All right, I have Marston Green. Whatever. Same thing, same place, that's all we got and he just died recently. He's dead. He's dead. Long live Ozzy. Yeah, he lives on, he'll live on forever. And actually, if you, I'm sure once we talk about some of the shit he did, it's amazing he lived to 76.
Speaker 1:It's really not fair that he lived to 76.
Speaker 2:Not fair to the other people who aren't going to who?
Speaker 1:And take care of themselves and try to. It's a crap shoot. Who may or may not sneak six cookies before bed every night? I bet you I will die before you Fucking did. Anyway, before bed every night. I bet you I will die before you Fucking did.
Speaker 2:Anyway, he had a cool but not always well, certainly not a healthy life, but he did what he wanted to. But I think most of the time he did what he wanted to because of alcohol.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And drugs, yeah, and coke, you know. Yeah, that too, but I think mainly alcohol was his device.
Speaker 1:Before you get there, though. Oh yeah, Do you have anything about his childhood?
Speaker 2:Well, his dad's name is Jack he was a toolmaker at General Electric, really and Lillian. His mother, worked at a Lucas factory, which Lucas is an auto and aerospace place in the UK, so they were working class. There's Ozzy, his three older sisters, jean Iris and Jillian hey. Hi and two younger brothers, Paul and Tony Pretty big family then yeah, six kids. They lived in a two-bedroom in Aston UK, Okay.
Speaker 1:He had dyslexia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had a lot of stuff Dropped out of school. He had dyslexia, adhd, autism, parkinson's. I mean not all at once, well, probably all at once, but later, sure, all at once. So early on dyslexia was discovered. And can I just say is there a different way we could spell or call dyslexia Because people who have dyslexia? How are you going to spell that? I didn't know how to spell it.
Speaker 1:I don't have dyslexia. It's still in front of me and I think I have dyslexia. Looking at it.
Speaker 2:It's not an easy word, so hey, let's take that thing that people can't read.
Speaker 1:It's kind of making fun of them. It is. Why not call it Ada? Whatever they want Something. Yeah, he you know. Do you think he took maybe you'll get to it, maybe it's even in my notes, I don't know but do you think he took on that persona to forge an identity that maybe didn't reflect any of those things?
Speaker 2:That's pretty deep, you would think. You know, maybe subconsciously. So I think he did what he could with what he had.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I guess that's saying the same thing. How did he get the nickname Ozzy?
Speaker 1:I don't know. You know, though I do, what is it?
Speaker 2:Well, it's pretty simple. His last name's Osborne, which equates to Oz, and then Ozzy.
Speaker 1:That's it, that's it. I know nothing I mean I figured I was hoping there would be something else. I was thinking maybe it would be something crazy, but no. But that's, all right. He had it tattooed on his knuckles or on his hands Just like you have yours. Yeah, he on his knuckles or on his hands.
Speaker 2:Well, just like you have yours. Yeah, pow, he worked odd jobs, lots of odd jobs.
Speaker 1:He was a slaughterhouse worker. Yeah, that was nasty too.
Speaker 2:A car horn tuner. A car horn tuner.
Speaker 1:In your construction, that is such a specific job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, tuning the horns, god damn it. And so do you get home.
Speaker 1:I don't know they get tragedy a little nuts, because he also got involved in some petty crime. He did Burglary, I don't know. He did some other stuff too.
Speaker 2:Burglary before he was 18. He spent three months in prison. You know why? Because his dad wouldn't pay the fine. Because he didn't want to placate him Exactly. He wanted him to learn a lesson.
Speaker 1:You have to fail to succeed. It's true, sometimes it's a little tough out there, kids, it is. It is you got to sack up.
Speaker 2:But you know it could have went either way, really yeah. It could have worked against him. True, worked at a slaughterhouse. You know what his job was at the slaughterhouse? No, to kill cows by shooting them in the head With a gun, what, or that like.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 2:I don't know, just shooting them in the head. I keep seeing that video now. That's bad. We brought that up before?
Speaker 1:Have you seen that where they kill the cows?
Speaker 2:with the thing we did the whole cow thing.
Speaker 1:Let's not talk about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's not talk about that. We bought some buffalo, though. I think we talked about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, from that place in Amish Place or something.
Speaker 2:No, it's not Amish, it's in Posen.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's what it is.
Speaker 2:It's a bison farm.
Speaker 1:Are you sure it wasn't an Amish person?
Speaker 2:No, it was not an Amish person. It was a no, okay.
Speaker 1:Nope, all right, let's talk about his other stuff Career, maybe.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, okay, what do you want to say about? So he started. What was his first band?
Speaker 1:Was it Black Sabbath, or was there another one?
Speaker 2:Well, it was Black Sabbath kind of, and I didn't write down their name but it had a different name. But pretty early on they adopted Black Sabbath, Mm-hmm, and then from there and there was. I don't write down the people's names either, although one we know was Randy Rhoades, eventually.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, that guy was phenomenal.
Speaker 2:He was one of the best guitar players and died in a freak accident of the best guitar players and died in a freak accident. As he was on the bus, the tour bus, he and the pilot, or he and the costumer, a woman went up in the plane, uh with, um, I guess, uh, the tour plane and they were just flying around with this pilot, who later was a drunk, or on drugs or both, so they swooped down to kind of dive bomb on the tour bus and they hit a tree and they crashed and they all died and they actually put like a Memorial or something there.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe I can't remember where they were either. I didn't jot that down, man, my research skills.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that's how that happened. That's terrible.
Speaker 2:It is terrible. And so Randy Rhodes he was like 24, 25 when he died and that really, really, really affected Ozzy. He went into a depression, and if you're an addictive personality, how do you treat depression? Drink it away, you drink it, you snort it, you pop it away.
Speaker 1:So he did that for many years and still lived to be 76, and still lived to be 76. And still lived to be 76. It was, with Black Sabbath, from 68 to 79, right. And then they had reunions after that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so he did get kind of thrown out of Black Sabbath at the time because they said he was doing too much alcohol, drugs, coke, and he said, hey, seems to be on par with everybody else, but I think it was affecting him more and he was replaced with Ronnie James Dio From Dio, from Dio. Yeah, he must be a guitar player too, but he sings kind of high.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:He's not my taste, but some people love him. Some people love him. And then Ozzy went on to his solo career. One of his tours was I liked this. His dad named it too. It was called Blizzard of Oz. Very nice, good job, jack. I think that's his dad's name.
Speaker 1:That was like his debut for his solo career, wasn't it? Yeah, it had Crazy Train on it, mr Crowley. Other hits he had was Diary of a Madman and is that when Zach Wilde came in? I think so, dude, that guy can shred too. He can shred. Wow, he's a good shredder. Speaking of shredders, no. And then let's see Ozfest. No talk of business, no, ozfest from 96 to 2018. Him and Sharon created it and it gave platforms to heavy metal bands like Slipknot, disturbed, system of a Down Love System of a Down.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, aerials, that's a good song. Oh, it's a good song Aerials in the sky.
Speaker 2:What's the prison song? I think it's called the Prison Song by them. I love that song. Check it out.
Speaker 1:Check it out, check, check. What did the bat incident happen? I want to get to that.
Speaker 2:Well, I wrote it down because everybody knows the bat incident 1982.
Speaker 1:Okay Des Moines.
Speaker 2:Iowa. Oh my gosh, you're out. I was there, A bunch of executives.
Speaker 1:I was there.
Speaker 2:A bunch of executives. I was not. Wasn't that the bat, or was that the chicken? No, that was a dove. Sorry, he did the dove for the record label. The bats he did in front of a crowd, right, and you know, I was at a house party last Friday and I said hey, everybody.
Speaker 1:You still go to house parties. And I said hey, everybody, you still go to house parties, I do. Was it like a rave?
Speaker 2:No, oh God, it was a porch party actually. Oh, awesome, yeah, having a few cocktails on the porch, and I kind of informally polled everyone what's your tell me about your memory of Ozzy Osbourne?
Speaker 1:Do you have any shout outs, though, to give? Are you going to do it as we go?
Speaker 2:I Do you have any shout-outs though, to give? Are you going to do it as we go? I can give shout-outs at the end. All right, they're not shout-outs, they're belly hoos.
Speaker 1:I forget.
Speaker 2:So everybody there said the bats Biting the head off the bat, that's their memory of Ozzy. Hmm, yeah, one person did say talked about reality show.
Speaker 1:I'm going to re-watch that. It's on Prime and he also has that one with his kid?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that show. I watched that one, and then they also he and Sharon and Jack did the Osbournes Want to Believe? Sometimes that one's fun to watch too. I remember that they're just sitting watching videos, but they're like paranormal or UFOs. Oh, I do remember that they're just sitting watching videos, but they're like paranormal or UFOs.
Speaker 1:Oh, I do remember that, yes.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of fun, and then they raid them. But before we get to that, oh, yeah, there's lots. What was I saying? Oh, okay, the bat incident, yeah, and then you got the dove incident. Yes, and then you got the Dove incident which that was, with the record executives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those pricks. Then he was arrested in 1982. And other times For pissing.
Speaker 2:On the Alamo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2:I love the story behind that, though, sharon, which we'll talk about, sharon, in a little bit. Sharon hid his clothes because she's like you, drunk fucker. I'm hiding your clothes, you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1:That's not going to stop him.
Speaker 2:He put on her clothes and went for a walk. And at one point he stopped to take a pee and it happened to be on the wall of the Alamo and the cops busted him and he was banned from San Antonio for a decade. So he not only was peeing on the Alamo, Banned for a decade. But he was in drag.
Speaker 1:let's say you know, all that did is hurt their economy. You know what I mean. That's right, because he could draw people in there.
Speaker 2:Right, he's probably like whatever. And then he and Jack later went back on their show.
Speaker 1:Yes, they did.
Speaker 2:And he was like I don't want my kid kicked out.
Speaker 1:And they didn't Suicide solution Lawsuit 1986.
Speaker 2:I know nothing about that. You do what Tell me Inform me.
Speaker 1:Parents blamed him for the death of their son.
Speaker 2:The case was dismissed. Yeah, I'm sorry that they lost their son to suicide, but yeah, it's not as he's strangled sharon he did, he did during a blackout yeah, yeah, he did do that, but 1989 she dropped the charges which you, which a lot of wives do, and again, alcohol. He didn't even remember doing it.
Speaker 1:No, who doesn't know somebody. This is not excusing the behavior, but it's nasty Alcoholism drug abuse.
Speaker 2:It's horrible.
Speaker 1:People do shit that it's not even fucking fathomable in real life.
Speaker 2:Trust me, I know myself here's another instance when he was drunk in Germany and he got thrown out of the concentration camp because of drunkenness. Who gets thrown out of a concentration camp? Well, as he has worked.
Speaker 1:What was he doing there, drunk?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, but he did. He did it. He probably was everywhere drunk. He probably did. George W Bush invited him to the White House and guess what he did? I don't know. He got drunk, george.
Speaker 1:Bush did.
Speaker 2:No, as he did, and he screamed wildly at the crowd of 1,800 people Good job. And GWB said this might have been a mistake. You think people, good job, and GWB said this might have been a mistake? Yeah, I think, george W. George, you know what else he liked to do. I don't even think he was drunk when he was doing this.
Speaker 1:Right ATVs. Okay, he was probably drunk yeah and he got in a few accidents 2003,. He got severely injured. What were you going to say?
Speaker 2:I was going to say if you were a guest at his house when you went to sleep he liked to shave your eyebrows off.
Speaker 1:Who does that? That's his husband.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do that to my kids, can you?
Speaker 1:imagine Shave their eyebrows off. Right before they go back to school.
Speaker 2:No eyebrows.
Speaker 1:They'll start a trend. He used to dance in graveyards and howl at tombstones and he once fired a shotgun who hasn't In the studio, in the studio, at the windows. Oh, okay, blew them out. He told her it was for therapy. Well, did he feel better? He must have, because then, shortly after that, he snorted a line of ants, with Motley Crue Snorting ants.
Speaker 2:Just to see what would happen.
Speaker 1:I guess so.
Speaker 2:He also accidentally drugged a vicar which is like a priest kind of person.
Speaker 1:In the UK you brought that term up before A vicar, a vicar's house or a vicar what's that thing?
Speaker 2:Never mind Vicar.
Speaker 1:He painted hotel walls with shark blood.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Didn't get that one.
Speaker 2:Did you? I did not, but let me tell you more about this vicar story. Do it Thelma, his first wife, which he has three kids with what? Yeah, I didn't know that it's true, I think three. So I didn't know that it's true, I think three. Thelma gave a big piece of cake to the vicar when he came to visit which why, as a vicar, are you going to Ozzy Osbourne's?
Speaker 1:Maybe he thought he was going to save him. Well, if it's the Prince of Darkness, what?
Speaker 2:bigger challenge, I guess. Well, here's what happened Thelma gave him a big piece of cake that Ozzy had laced with Afghan hash and she didn't know it, and three days later the vicar finally came out of his coma he wasn't in a coma, but he didn't know what happened. He was quite buzzed up.
Speaker 1:Probably the best three days of his life. That would have maybe put Ozzie out for an hour, but that guy got the brunt. That's terrible, funny.
Speaker 2:He did believe in. He was very Christian and believed in Jesus Christ Amen. He prayed before performances and he was christened in the Church of England. So it's not like he. Yeah, he had the persona of the Prince of Darkness, but Did he really kill the puppies? No, or kittens, depending on the story.
Speaker 1:I remember my uncle telling me that story at my grandma's one time. I hope not. He's like you know that he wouldn't play until they killed puppies. That makes no sense, because he's an animal lover. That's not true, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he loves the dogs. I mean, Sharon had the dogs all over.
Speaker 1:On that show. He said that he was stoned all the time on the Osbournes.
Speaker 2:On the reality show. Yeah, I think so. I love him. He would just sit there in color like a toddler. Can I get a burrito? Oh God, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's on Instagram reels. Everywhere People share stuff.
Speaker 2:It's hilarious. And Sharon, who was he, met. She was the secretary for her dad and they were. Her dad ended up becoming his manager and that's how they met. And you know, kudos to Sharon. She stuck by him, but she also kind of knew how to keep him in line, or at least keep him in line enough to— she didn't put up with, you know—. Well, she did put up with a lot of stuff I know.
Speaker 1:But she kind of tried to boss him around. She did he needed that Later?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did. He needed Sharon. In 1972, at the end of his US tour, he dosed himself with penicillin from sampling all the groupies so he wouldn't go home and give Sharon. That was nice of him. That was nice of him.
Speaker 1:You've got to be thoughtful like that.
Speaker 2:And I don't know. It said his wife, and I assumed it was Sharon, but maybe it was Thelma then in 72. The other thing he did, though, was the fear of AIDS in the 80s kept him loyal then to Sharon, so he quit fucking around on her.
Speaker 1:You couldn't just be loyal because she's your wife? Well, no, of course not.
Speaker 2:If you're a rock star that's not enough. Yeah, you know you're going back to the reality show. So they started that. In what year was that 2002. 2002. They started that and that was really the first reality show of its kind. I mean, people have done it over and, over and over again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like a family.
Speaker 2:But it really was the first one of its kind. And again, kudos to Sharon, because you know who's selling it, to the networks or to whoever needs to buy it. I mean, it wasn't Ozzy getting out there and marketing the family because they need money, it was Sharon and it was mind blowing.
Speaker 1:Like you're like whoa really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was the real thing too. They didn't. They didn't. No mincing thing too, they didn't.
Speaker 1:No mincing words.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't candy coat anything. It was the real thing.
Speaker 1:I think everybody should broadcast their life.
Speaker 2:Isn't that a movie?
Speaker 1:Truman.
Speaker 2:Show Truman Ed. Is that a movie ever?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Truman Show, the Truman Show.
Speaker 2:Fuck that end makes you cry, Ed no the end, oh, the end of Truman Show, because he, I can't remember. Does he find out what happens?
Speaker 1:It's just sad and beautiful.
Speaker 2:He hits that end of the fucking earth. Oh my God, heavy sigh there Continue. All right, let me talk about Ozzy and his reality show. He was taking 25 Vicodin a day when they were doing the show. How?
Speaker 1:can you survive that? Again he did it, damn it. Why can't we just fucking hurry it up?
Speaker 2:I know like if I put 20 people in a room between us, we have not taken 25 Vicodin Ever All of our lives. I mean, he had some resistance. I haven't read it, but I guess in 2009 he wrote a bio. It's called I Am Ozzy and I guess it's great it's called it was Honest and Humorous. I haven't even heard of that. I didn't either.
Speaker 1:I would love it's great it's called. It was honest and humorous. I haven't even heard of that I didn't either.
Speaker 2:I would love to read it.
Speaker 1:Maybe we should have that in our book club.
Speaker 2:In our book club. Yeah, okay, we'll do it. Oh, he's a naturalized US citizen too. That's helpful. Well, it is these days. Mm-hmm, mm he is these days. What else can you tell us about?
Speaker 1:Ozzie Ice would get rid of him.
Speaker 2:If he were alive today yeah, he'd be gone Fuck. Ozzie. He'd be gone, even though he's our national treasure and the UK's national treasure.
Speaker 1:What else do I have?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what can you tell me about Ozzie that we haven't already said?
Speaker 1:At the time of his departure from this earth, he was worth $220 million, I would have guessed more. The estate was split between Sharon and the children. He's donated a lot to hospitals, Parkinson's research and children's causes. He idolized the Beatles. One of his bucket list things was to meet Mr Paul, and I guess he did. I would hope he did. I'd like to be in that room. You imagine, though, Paul, and I guess he did.
Speaker 2:I would hope he did. Yep, I'd like to be in that room. Can you imagine, though, paul and Ozzy.
Speaker 1:Somebody would probably. He's looking forward to meeting Paul McCartney, but you can't you think that Paul McCartney's like oh, it's Ozzy, fucking Osbourne.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. I don't think Paul McCartney says that about anybody Really, because he's Paul.
Speaker 1:McCartney. What has he done? Just kidding Paul? I don't want him not to come on the show.
Speaker 2:So I say, wrapping up, ozzy, he's a family man, he really is, who paid for his sins, which Dearly Because he wouldn't have all that shit. Poor health in later years and you know bad investments. I'm sure he wasn't always worth $220 million. He paid for what he did Right and man, he did a lot of dickish things. A lot, sure, A lot Alcohol could do that. But overall I say Harold, yeah.
Speaker 2:And not just because he died recently Right, I would have said it before, if you would have. And kudos to Sharon and the rest of his family too for putting up with them for one thing and sticking by him. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think he was a dick, but he had his whole life to turn it around and he did.
Speaker 2:He did.
Speaker 1:So you can become a hero by conquering your dickishness.
Speaker 2:So maybe if he would have died early he could have died a dick? Yep, I think so. But he redeemed himself. Yep, now he's a hero, he is a hero.
Speaker 1:Did you ever get a hold of Greg?
Speaker 2:Oh, no From.
Speaker 1:Spectrum, business Spectrum. No, his business card is still there.
Speaker 2:I don't want to give him the Ballyhoo to the League of Women Voters, people who may have tuned in for the first time.
Speaker 1:Hey, explain to me, like I'm a five-year-old, what I always do.
Speaker 2:I know what is the League of Women Voters, so League of Women Voters helps you decide where, who and why to vote.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:We want everyone to vote. It's nonpartisan. We never pick a candidate, you pick the candidate. We just want you to vote. Okay and that's pretty much it. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:So it's educational.
Speaker 2:It is educational yeah.
Speaker 1:Now, what are they going to do? Are they going to help fight the trying to get rid of mail-in votes?
Speaker 2:I don't know. That's a very new topic, so I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:The only reason I voted the last few elections is because you can do a mail-in.
Speaker 2:Exactly, I agree. I think there are so many people who need to do a mail-in vote that, as long as it's legal, official, why not? Why would you not want people? Why aren't we all mailing it in? Post office needs some work.
Speaker 1:It's fucking 2025. Why aren't we using biometrics to log into your fucking computer?
Speaker 2:Why can't you just think it and they read it? That's coming, that's coming.
Speaker 1:All right, what else you got?
Speaker 2:I have some fast fives for you. Okay, and because we went so crazy with Ozzy. Crazy, that's Patsy Cline. I wish we could we have for our fast five. Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going. Patsy Cline, crazy. You know we can't play the music, can we? We'll get in trouble.
Speaker 2:Oh no. You got to pay, pay, pay. But the fast five is classic books. So the first classic book that I want you to tell me is a hero or a dick is To Kill a Mockingbird Hero yeah, of course, I mean, that was kind of a given. Yeah, how about Pride and Prejudice, dick? I'm not a fan of it. I'm not a fan of it. I'm not a fan. No, I say Dick Elson. How about Great Gatsby?
Speaker 1:It embodies dickishness, but it's heroic? It sure does, yeah heroic Scott Fitzgerald's a fucking drunk.
Speaker 2:He was, and he didn't grow to be old enough to get out of his dickishness. No, so I.
Speaker 1:The book was good, though.
Speaker 2:Was the book good?
Speaker 1:The movie's good. He's not that good of a writer. Oops, sorry, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2:No, he's fine, he's a good writer, I think that if he F Scott, if he hadn't been, what's the F for?
Speaker 1:Fucking If he hadn't been. What's the F for Fucking, Scott? If he hadn't been so messed up with drugs or alcohol Well, drugs too, but alcohol I think he would have been an even better writer?
Speaker 2:Maybe not, though. Oh, maybe we would never even have heard of him, that's true, maybe I still say it's a dick. How about 100 Years of Solitude? Oh, that's a heroic book. You don't like it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Years of Solitude.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a heroic book. You don't like it. Yeah, you know what I tried to read it and I couldn't read it. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's kind of wandery yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I wanted to like it so much too.
Speaker 1:It's not very long. No, it's a short book. It's like you're sitting on the back of a butterfly floating around reading it, because it's it floats. It's kind of floaty. The writing to me. I liked it, though I mean I wouldn't take it with me out of my top 20.
Speaker 2:No, but You're not taking it to the desert island, fuck, no.
Speaker 1:Not, unless I, no, never mind.
Speaker 2:How about the last one, excuse me, 1984.
Speaker 1:Boy, you know that's got to be heroic right. Why Kind of telling of like now right?
Speaker 2:It is, I like it. I say hero.
Speaker 1:Georgie, right? George Orwell, yeah, did you read his short storybook? Damn it, I can't remember the name of it. It's really, really, really, really good. I'll think of it and talk about it next time. Yeah, talk about it next time. You can talk about it next time. Maybe, if people can remember, they can email us at heroordick2023 at gmailcom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dot com, I'm so impressed that you just rattled that off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I try to work it in. Should we cover our sponsors today?
Speaker 2:Which word?
Speaker 1:Us? Yeah, what else do we have to leave the folks with Want to talk about Alpena at all? Are you done talking about Alpena?
Speaker 2:I'm done with Alpena right now. I mean, they're fine, we're fine in Alpena, we're good here, it's rainy today, so whatever.
Speaker 1:Nice weather though.
Speaker 2:It feels good after the heat and humidity. All right, now we're talking about the weather, so we got to
