Hero or Dick
Welcome to Hero or Dick — the podcast where Kate and KJ dig into the strange, funny, and unforgettable corners of history, pop culture, and everything in between. Each episode, we take on famous (and infamous) figures, events, and ideas, breaking them down with humor, insight, and just enough irreverence to ask the question that matters: hero…or dick?
From legendary icons to the odd stories behind movies, music, and everyday life, we pull the threads that make people and moments extraordinary. Along the way, you’ll get Kate’s infamous Fast Five lists (and KJ forgetting his), personal anecdotes, and plenty of chances to weigh in with your own takes.
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Hero or Dick
Coffee and the Cosmos: Stephen Hawking
Fascinated by cosmology? Curious about the complicated humans behind world-changing ideas? Then maybe this episode is for you! Tune into Kate and KJ as they take a look into the life and legacy of Stephen Hawking.
jiggling the table. Here we are. Hey, I think we're recording are we?
Speaker 2:yeah, we really though we?
Speaker 1:how are we?
Speaker 2:really I don't know.
Speaker 1:We're in another universe recording and do you think I was having some conversation with my brooke my brooke, jesus christ, my wife brooke uh, and talking about I said I'm getting older Not that old, but it's starting to register. You know, I'm starting to write about aging and how things are changing and the whole time thing I'm starting to question Because I said I don't think it really is there. You know, like the past, like right right now, if we look back, did, did what? Like you walk into that door didn't really happen. You know, I mean, like how do we know? It's like we're here in this moment, like I just it's bizarre to me and you think about your life in the past and the memories you have and you wonder how much of that is manufactured just to get you by and create a narrative so that you can survive like it did not there. The past is not there.
Speaker 2:It's like you did a deep dive on Stephen Hawking.
Speaker 1:Oh, speaking of that, guy wrote a little bit about.
Speaker 2:He did. He's our topic today.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Season 3, episode 17.
Speaker 1:Yep Topic is Stephen Hawking, and we'd like to thank Steve.
Speaker 2:For he did. Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 1:He didn't send a request and nobody did.
Speaker 2:I don't know how we chose him, but how?
Speaker 3:did we I don't know.
Speaker 2:You chose him, I did. I said Einstein or Hawking and you went with Hawking, yeah.
Speaker 1:Aren't you glad we did no.
Speaker 2:But we'll get to that. But we'll get to that. I mean, I think we'll talk about him. Sure, you know he certainly has a place, or had a place, in this world. Came up with some, you know he had an interesting brain. He was born in 1942 in Oxford Right, so just during the war, even he was a war baby.
Speaker 1:Theoretical physicist.
Speaker 2:Was that his title? Title I don't know. Cosmetologist people, no. Cosmologist, which means I don't know study the universe. I guess cosmos no, yeah, well you studied um.
Speaker 1:He was a professor of mathematics at cambridge cambridge. I'm sorry, I don't want to offend anybody. Uh-oh, oh surprise guest. Hey we have a surprise guest.
Speaker 3:everybody, oh my gosh and I got you a giant one because I know how you are. Thanks, karma, cold brew. Say hi, hi.
Speaker 1:Hi everybody. Joby just stopped in. How was school today?
Speaker 2:Good. Did you learn anything about Stephen Hawking?
Speaker 1:No, he's our topic today.
Speaker 2:Oh no, so many people will be disappointed.
Speaker 1:Do you want to participate or are?
Speaker 3:you good, I'm good, I'm going to go home and nap on the floor.
Speaker 2:All right, that sounds like something Stephen Hawking would do.
Speaker 3:I ate so much food at lunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, joey's new thing is she goes to her car at school when it's lunchtime because she's done with her day anyway, and she videotapes herself with the meal. I don't want a meal. She talks about the meal and then gives her opinion on it.
Speaker 2:And what was the meal today?
Speaker 3:Today I would call it homemade KFC. They made deep fried chicken legs. You can take two of them and then like green beans, mashed potatoes, gravy and like stuffing a roll, and then you get like a cup of fruit and then chocolate milk. Was this an Alpena Public Schools lunch?
Speaker 2:It looked delicious, it sounds pretty good.
Speaker 3:They make really good food, the lunch. Ladies do a good job.
Speaker 1:So shout out to the Alpena Public Schools and screw the government for taking funding. And do you want to give a shout out to Blue Blends before you leave, even though that's not where we got these?
Speaker 3:burgers, I guess.
Speaker 1:What are their hours?
Speaker 3:Thursday through Monday. So the only days that's not open is Tuesday and Wednesday.
Speaker 1:Alright, and they make some pretty good smoothies and coffee drinks. And they make some pretty good smoothies, some coffee drinks, and they're located at the Water Street Commons in downtown Alpena.
Speaker 3:There you go, and if you want to follow them, online.
Speaker 1:They actually have some really funny Instagram posts that feature somebody in a blueberry costume and somebody in a banana costume.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, You're like Willy Wonka.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like I'm famous now.
Speaker 2:For being a blueberry.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we get thousands of likes when I'm in a blueberry costume. Well, so I'll win something.
Speaker 1:Why wouldn't you? There are lovers out there, why? Not Well all right, thanks, kid, don't have blueberries for lunch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bye, don't have blueberries for lunch. Yeah, bye, thanks, jovi Yep.
Speaker 1:All right, that's a pretty tasty.
Speaker 2:She's a good girl.
Speaker 1:She brought us each a drink from the Big B I already went to Cabin Creek this morning.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, Now I had one of these last time and I was just bugged the whole day, that's right. You were pretty bad.
Speaker 1:So I ate so so much, but I can't tell you what. Yeah, can you sleep at night? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, dickie gummy, I gotta try that.
Speaker 2:I gotta do something all right, but we could steven yeah, that'll put you to sleep.
Speaker 1:Um, he actually, like I said, was a professor of mathematics at cambridge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 79, yeah he went to University College in Oxford. He got a degree in natural sciences, but he really didn't know what to do. He knew he was smart. He knew he actually came from a family that encouraged independent thinking, but he didn't know what to do with it. So then he began to do grad research in cosmology at the University of Cambridge in 1962. Did you want to add something there? You look like you're finger-pointing.
Speaker 1:No, I just noticed something in my notes His nurse turned spouse.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's coming.
Speaker 1:Sorry.
Speaker 2:And then in 1963, he was diagnosed with ALS.
Speaker 1:So wait a minute, so then he was 19?.
Speaker 2:He was 21.
Speaker 1:21 years old, so up until then.
Speaker 2:He was just kind of spazzy looking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't want to. That sounds like I'm demeaning it. He wasn't in the state that we all know him as Right right, he was just kind of a guy and he was nerdy and spazzy. I think that's fair.
Speaker 1:What's impressive is that some people, faced with that debilitating life, yes Would have just said fuck it, but he kept at it.
Speaker 2:He did, and a lot of people diagnosed with ALS don't live a long life, and he lived to 76. So I don't know what kept him going. Strippers that was one of his favorites, favorites.
Speaker 2:Whatever gets you through the night for a day so, in between strippers, he completed a doctorate and he received a fellowship at cambridge. And this was all after his diagnosis. His diagnosis, which doesn't affect you immediately, I mean he wasn't automatically in a wheelchair, and Stephen Hawking, as we know, it happens over years. It beats you down, yeah, but he kept using his brain because then, in 1970, he discovered the black holes emit radiation and that concept is now known as Hawking radiation, which I have radiation named after me.
Speaker 1:You have stuff named after you, don't you Not, really you will. What's the?
Speaker 2:name after Kate, Exactly, yeah, we'll think of something. So in 1974, he was elected as fellow of the Royal Society, one of Britain's prestigious scientific bodies. If you were a scientist, you would be really impressed with his resume, you would. If you were a scientist, you would be really impressed with his resume, you would. If you are a layman like me who doesn't know jack and can barely do math, you're like good for you. Because it was in 79, he was appointed Lucianism I can't even say the word professor of math.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I was talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what's that?
Speaker 1:I don't know. It sounds really good. It sounds mysterious.
Speaker 2:I can't even say it.
Speaker 1:So I could never have that. Lucasian. Okay, Lucasian Him and his buddy Roger Penrose. They worked on singularity theorems.
Speaker 2:They did. And you know what that is A worked on singularity theorems? They did. And you know what that is A Lucasianian professor of math, I just want to say was a prestigious position and Sir Isaac Newton once held it too.
Speaker 1:Who's that?
Speaker 2:It's a guy, oh, the Apple guy. Something about gravity, I don't know.
Speaker 1:He's the guy that would show up on those cartoons on ABC in the morning. I'm just a bit along Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2:Isaac Newton's in one of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh is he. Yeah, they do a little skit on him and an apple falls on his head.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I like him.
Speaker 1:He's the world Newt Me neither.
Speaker 2:Isaac.
Speaker 1:Good old Newt.
Speaker 2:And then in 88, the stephen hawking guy. He published a brief history of time did you do it? I have not read it. I didn't even look at the I tried did you try reading it?
Speaker 1:I really did. I have the book do you and I'm like the 80 of people that never finished it, because I went into it thinking I'm gonna I'm gonna be as smart as steveutt. Or just, yeah, I was trying to understand it, it was impossible, it didn't take. No, maybe I should try to.
Speaker 2:No, no, I wouldn't do it, but I didn't even look at the cliff notes. Sorry, steve, sorry. So then, and also in 85, he had to get a tracheotomy to help him breathe and that led to his voice loss, and then he began using the electronic voice synthesizer. So he wasn't all you know business. He was kind of mischievous, he had a dry sense of humor.
Speaker 1:He liked to flirt.
Speaker 2:He liked to flirt. He was on the Big Bang Theory, he was on the Simpsons Star Trek, he had some zingers to Prime Minister Theresa May, kind of. I mean, that wasn't that long ago, they were having, they were at the same function, or he was getting a medal and he asked her don't ask me about breath. Christ Can't say that word either. Breath sticks, breath sticks.
Speaker 1:Pink Floyd had a couple songs about them, did they?
Speaker 2:Which ones.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I read it. But yeah, they had two. I'm sorry, I can't remember what they did. Yeah, there was one they did, and then they did one several years later.
Speaker 2:You need to look that up. I mean, we need to know what happened to that guy that worked for us.
Speaker 1:We have no guy. Yeah, we had a guy, timothy. She left.
Speaker 3:Oh, we had a gal.
Speaker 1:Blueberry. She's a coffee girl now doing blueberry stuff.
Speaker 2:He was interviewing him. This was one of my favorite things. John Oliver said if there's an infinite number of parallel universes, could there be one universe where I am smarter than you? And Stephen Hawking said to John Oliver yes, and it's also a universe where you are funny.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good.
Speaker 2:That's a good insult. That's a zingeringer. He also for a comic relief fundraiser that they do in the uk. Um they, he did fake auditions for uh for new vocals for synthesizing are you serious? Any interview he had. Liam neeson uh, simon powell lin-manuel miranda. And when it came to gordon ramsay he said I don't think anyone would take me fucking serious if I sounded like that so for having a sense of humor yeah um, his wife, first wife, was probably not as accepting of his sense of humor.
Speaker 2:No, she put up with him for many years, raised him, took care of him three kids for decades. And she said, he later, much later, she wrote a book which I believe the movie is based on.
Speaker 1:I lost the name of it Theory of Everything. That was a good movie. I lost the name of it Theory of Everything. That was a good movie.
Speaker 2:I watched part of it but I didn't get through the whole thing, Just like the book. But she said he just refused to discuss his illness and he had a massive and fractious ego.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could imagine.
Speaker 2:Oh hey, there's this thing. He had an affair with a nurse and he did later marry her. Elaine Mason yeah, I could imagine so. And oh, hey, there's this thing he had an affair with a nurse, mm-hmm, and he did later marry her, elaine Mason. Yes, elaine.
Speaker 1:And just for the record, his first wife's name is Jane Wilde. Jane Wilde with a W-I-L-D-E, if you want to put that out. She said too faith differences.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, they knew that going in, though I mean, they really emphasized that in the movie. Anyway, he brought her home. He was like do you want to do this on Sunday mornings? She's like I'm going to church, I'm kind of busy on Sunday mornings. Oh, what are you doing? Like he didn't get it, but I think his people were atheists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He had three kids he did have three kids. Robert what happened to him? Lucy, Timothy and are they smart? I don't know.
Speaker 2:Or not, who knows?
Speaker 1:I bet you they had to inherit some of the brilliance right.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean, they could have.
Speaker 1:Well, the guy you know I like to look at the money part of things when he passed away he was worth about 20 million bucks.
Speaker 2:Is that it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he established the Stephen Hawking Foundation for Cosmology Education and ALS and D-Care. He supported disability rights, the national what's it? Called NHS and then actually was anti-nuclear oh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and also just going back to Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd used samples of Stephen Hawking's synthesized voice in two of their songs.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 2:One was called Keep Talking, from the 1994 album Division Bell, and the other one was Talkin' Hawkin' from 2014 album the Atlas River.
Speaker 1:Thanks for looking that up. Yeah, we're going to get that kid back in here to do some of this stuff.
Speaker 2:But the other thing about Stephen Hawking oh, there was abuse allegations in the second marriage but they were abused by her to him and he refused to. He had a broken wrist and some cuts that were unexplained and he refused to cooperate in the investigation and charges were dropped and it may have been about the strippers, but it may have not, because that actually was tabloid stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh, was it yeah it was In the tabloids. They were saying that I mean, I don't know what he's going to do at a strip club.
Speaker 2:Well, he just has to sit there anyway.
Speaker 1:I mean, the strip is going to work.
Speaker 2:I think he's the perfect. I think he's the perfect person to get a life chance, I mean he didn't go anywhere. He did have bad wheelchair driving and that was a joke that he accepted. I guess he ran over Prince Charles' toes at some point, that explains a lot.
Speaker 1:He attended a 2006 physics conference in St Thomas which was funded by Trump. Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, trump's best friend, did he fly the?
Speaker 2:plane. Did you take the plane there, hawking? Yeah, did he fly the plane? Did you take the plane there, hawking?
Speaker 3:Yeah, did he fly it?
Speaker 2:He didn't fly it, but did he ride in the plane? Oh my God, I'm getting so literal. I think he did.
Speaker 1:I'm just joking with you. I'm assuming he did. I don't know, I don't even know if I should be talking about this stuff, but Epstein did fund a lot of that stuff anyway.
Speaker 2:He did. It may or may not have been.
Speaker 1:Not all of it was sexual. No.
Speaker 2:Okay, the end on that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's not talk about it.
Speaker 2:So what were some of Stephen Hawking's discoveries? Do you have any? I'm looking. I looked so I'm like well, okay, so he had this great brain and he what, what did? What did we do with it? What did he do with it?
Speaker 1:Well, you can't do anything with the one about radiation. Yet I mean it's not even proven.
Speaker 2:I mean it's just he did come up with gravitational wave astronomy, which is a way to detect from black holes. It allows scientists to test Stephen Hawking theory about growth of black holes and properties of them. Okay, so what does that mean? I don't even know Black holes? Okay, he knew a lot about them, but we still don't know about them. No, he did study the universe. His work on imaginary time and cosmic inflation provides a theoretical framework for understanding the conditions just after the Big Bang and initial expanse of the universe. Okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 1:We don't know, we don't really know.
Speaker 2:So all of that, his theory and his info that I just said, those are being explored in experiments at facilities like the Large Hadron Colander, which so I looked that up Okay, it's the world's largest and most powerful particle accelerator. I don't know what we're doing with that.
Speaker 1:Sounds pretty cool though.
Speaker 2:It's used to study subatomic particles by smashing them together at the speed of light. So if I work there, I'm like, all right, I'm going to smash some particles today.
Speaker 1:I mean it's got to lead to like where the universe came from Time travel.
Speaker 2:I hope, I wish they would discover time travel.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe he'll come back and tell us.
Speaker 2:Maybe yeah it, yeah, it could be, he could.
Speaker 1:Be like Matthew McConaughey If he knew about it An interstellar. They talked about some of this stuff in that movie.
Speaker 2:I love a time travel book. Oh my God, I'm reading it Really, yeah, yeah. And here is my favorite protest sign what do we want? Time travel? When do we want it? It doesn't matter, irrelevant.
Speaker 1:I like that you really saw a sign like that.
Speaker 2:Wine, so it doesn't really count.
Speaker 1:One thing, not one thing, there are many things. I suspect that I think we've been too far from the mic, but anyhow, he opened the world's eyes to this guy and to science. You know what I mean. Like he got a lot of people interested, even though folks like me who aren't that smart obviously picked up the book and I put the book. I watched the movie. You know you're interested in science in general, so I mean that was.
Speaker 2:I do believe in science, and something that I did really take away from Stephen Hawking was he didn't mind being wrong as long as science prevails, right.
Speaker 1:He was from what I. I did do some research. Kate, it's here, but you're going so good on the caffeine I don't want to interrupt you.
Speaker 2:I thought it's time to kick in.
Speaker 1:He didn't like to. He would dismiss people in debates, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:He was, he was. I don't know what you're talking about, he could be self-righteous. I guess we could say and okay, you're talking, we know you're really smart, but sometimes you got to.
Speaker 1:you know, look at the common man with common sense sure, just because we can't speak the language that he operates and doesn't mean that we don't have something to offer. Exactly you know exactly? Um, well, we already went through the timeline his theorems with penrose, the hawking radiation paper in nature. The one thing he did. He won that award. It was like three million bucks the Breakthrough Prize in 2013. I thought that was pretty fascinating. He made a lot of money through his books, speaking and consulting fees, documentaries. I mean again, I think it's amazing that he had this horrible disease and just kept on trucking, and I wonder if that kind of made him an asshole too, because you're thinking, you know, here I am, I've got this fucking disease.
Speaker 2:And I'm doing all this work and you are sitting there eating your.
Speaker 1:McDonald's and your coffee. You know having a stupid podcast and I'm like changing the fucking world. I'm doing everything for you. Okay, my perspective is changing a stupid podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm like changing the fucking world. I'm doing everything for you.
Speaker 1:Okay, my perspective is changing a little now as we talk about him.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's why he was yeah.
Speaker 1:He is among the top tier late 20th century theorists. He's not an Einstein.
Speaker 2:He never won like a Nobel Prize. I don't think.
Speaker 1:No, because his stuff wasn't.
Speaker 2:It wasn't really. It's not applicable. It Nobel Prize? I don't think no, because his stuff wasn't. It wasn't really. It's not applicable. It doesn't fit in a category. Yeah, he's his own category.
Speaker 1:He really is.
Speaker 2:I'm starting to like him, you can like him.
Speaker 1:I don't want to. Why, I don't know, because when I was doing the research there's nothing that stood out. That said, man, what a hero. But he kind of is a hero.
Speaker 2:I mean. So what do you think? Wait before we come to the conclusion.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't be dead on if he was alive, because what happens, I think, and I started thinking about- oh people become yeah, like our Aussie podcast and stuff. He was a dick. You know, we say he was a hero, but I wonder if I say he's a hero because he's dead, if he was still alive what I'd be like? That's kind of a dick. He wrote Crazy Train.
Speaker 2:He did Crazy. I liked this quote from Albert Einstein too. I should have done that. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it fully, and so I think a lot of what Albert did now, or what Stephen Hawking did, what Albert did, Al, or what Stephen Hawking did. They brought it down to dummy terms so we could kind of understand it Not everything.
Speaker 1:That's a great thing.
Speaker 2:It is and.
Speaker 1:I think it applies to anything. It makes me feel that I can't explain things.
Speaker 2:Well, if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it fully. That's what Albert Einstein's saying. He's got some complicated theories that he said so, hero or dick? Well, while you mull it over, I'm going to say every bit of info that I looked up and researched begged me to look for more info and more info, and more info, because one little bit of understanding meant you had to understand more and more, and that's not a bad thing. I'm going to call him a confusing hero. What do you say?
Speaker 1:I thought, for sure you were going to say dick.
Speaker 2:Well confusing hero.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because of his mind, and he used his mind even though his body failed him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because of his mind, and he used his mind even though his body failed him. Yeah, I'm going to say that he was a hero. I did it.
Speaker 2:You did, you committed. Well, that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean because here's what people said about him.
Speaker 2:What did people say about him?
Speaker 1:I don't know who these people are.
Speaker 2:Who are they?
Speaker 1:His colleagues described him as brilliant and stubborn, but you can say that for a lot of brilliant people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you could say that.
Speaker 1:I mean you're brilliant and you're pretty stubborn, sometimes caustic, inspiring. He was admired, but he could be dismissive when it came to topics, debates, conversations, because he thought he was smarter and he was.
Speaker 2:He was smarter than everyone. But and he was. He was smarter than everyone, but you can't act. You can't be dismissive of people who don't have that. You can be the smartest person in the world and not have a lick of common sense.
Speaker 1:Yep, his wife stepped up to the plate, took care of him, but he kind of fucked her over, literally Fucked the nurse. And then the period with Elaine. He was kind of selfish but I guess whatever he was with Elaine and he kind of said eh, to the children you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not cool.
Speaker 1:But his children stayed engaged with his legacy because I'm assuming not only it was their dad. I get it, but I mean there's got to be some of that factored in there.
Speaker 2:Maybe they earned it Well, I'm sure sure they did putting up with stuff and being there for them and so anyhow, okay, I don't know, stephen hawking, let us know what you think the duck likes them. What? Let us know what you think at what's our uh email. I shut it down. I shut it down because of all the comments.
Speaker 1:Not nice things I was going to bring. I printed out some other stuff that people wrote in, but I didn't want to read it out. Heroordic2023 at gmailcom. I think we have time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got to do. We have more than five, but we want to give a rest in peace to Robert Redford, who passed away this morning at 89.
Speaker 1:89.
Speaker 2:89 years old. That's pretty old.
Speaker 1:I hope I see 89. Are you going to?
Speaker 2:see it. I don't know. We'll see him Get closer, that's for damn sure. I'll keep checking this Coffee Jack me up. Thank you, america, for putting the flags at half-mast for Robert Redford.
Speaker 1:Is that why you're at half-mast? Oh good.
Speaker 2:So now we're going to go through some Robert Redford movies. They're probably all heroes. What do you think? The Sting Hero? It's a hero, but it's kind of a long hero. It just took a while to set it up. I think this one's my favorite, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Cassidy's named after that. Is she really no Today? She is. Today she is yeah all right, all the president's men. Oh, that's an excellent movie about a real piece of american history. Yep, oh, let me go home and watch that river runs through it.
Speaker 1:Oh, come on, brad pitt, robert redford, the other guy, what's?
Speaker 2:the other guy's name.
Speaker 1:Oh, who's the other guy he was.
Speaker 2:River runs through it. Oh, come on. Brad Pitt, robert Redford, the other guy, what's the other guy's name?
Speaker 1:Oh, it was the other guy.
Speaker 2:He was good too. He was Beautiful scenery, oh my God.
Speaker 1:That was like a Hemingway story it was very Hemingway-esque Kind of sad. Making me a little sad right now.
Speaker 2:I'm going to cry.
Speaker 1:I'm going to cry All right.
Speaker 2:here's the sad movie though Ordinary People, which he won an Oscar for, but nobody liked it. He directed it. I didn't like it.
Speaker 3:It was depressing.
Speaker 2:I remember when it came out. Yeah, it got all these accolades Like that movie sucks. Watch Airplane, okay, jeremiah Johnson. Yes, late movie.
Speaker 1:Hey, who's that other guy In Jeremiah?
Speaker 2:Johnson In Jeremiah Johnson, like the old yeah, yeah, it's the trapper guy, uncle Jesse. Yeah, I think it was his name. Indecent Proposal, I forgot he was in there All three. So you had Robert Redford offers a million dollars to Woody and Demi because they're in debt. I have to go live with Robert Redford now. Not a real movie. You don't think that happens. Not with the guy looking like Robert Redford. It's not that guy. The Way we Were Babs and Robert Babs and Bob Babs. I wasn't nuts about it. No, the Candidate, though, is a great movie, top notch, very good, and the last one I have here is the Natural Knocked it out of the park, ah, you were saving that one. Very good, and the last one I have here is the natural, knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 2:Ah, you were saving that one, I was, so rest in peace, robert Redford. I'm sure you're up in handsome guy. Heaven Handsome guy, there's different ones.
Speaker 1:Well, I think so that Paul Newman makes a good dressing.
Speaker 2:Paul Newman. He doesn't do anything. Half-assed, here we go.
Speaker 1:Old blue Eyes.
Speaker 2:He's the original Blue.
Speaker 1:Eyes. I thought Sinatra was he. Is you like Sinatra? No, have we done him? I'm not doing him. I'll do, dean Martin though, why you don't want to do a podcast. Wait, I thought we did do him Dean. No Sinatra.
Speaker 2:We could do Rat Pack.
Speaker 1:Who was it? We did somebody old, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:From that era I thought If we would have, it would have been. My favorite Rat Pack guy is Dean Martin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he'd like to drink that guy.
Speaker 2:He didn't, though he didn't. That's the secret. He acted drunk Apple. No, that's the secret. He acted drunk Apple juice, come on, not always, but sometimes. Yeah, he didn't fake smoking, though that's probably what told him.
Speaker 1:That's harder to fake. So, okay, hold on, let's talk about that, so we could do. You don't want to do Sinatra, no, you could do the whole Rat.
Speaker 2:Pack you could. I think that would be fair.
Speaker 1:Can we do Elvis? I don't think so. So that's a topic. And somebody else that we said earlier, I don't know People.
Speaker 2:Once again, People write in Tell us what to do. Should we do Rat Pack or the Whole Shebang Elvis?
Speaker 1:Babs, I don't want to do Babs? Dustin Hoffman. Let's Dustin Hoffman Babs. I don't want to do Babs Dustin Hoffman. I love Dustin Hoffman, tom Cruise. What about him? You don't like him either.
Speaker 2:No, you know, he's got that little Scientology thing.
Speaker 1:I just I don't know. I think you should infiltrate that.
Speaker 2:He did do Einstein already.
Speaker 1:See, all right, we got to wrap it up, yeah, okay, well, thank you, rest in peace, we'll talk to you later, robert please email us your ideas, right on bye.
