Hero or Dick

Hero or Dick - S3., Ep. 24? - Heroes, Dicks, And A Side Of Clotted Cream Fudge

• Kate & KJ • Season 3 • Episode 24

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A thousand downloads. Cookies, steak, and one deeply suspect mushroom Swiss.

That’s how we close 2025—by taking inventory and not pretending it was tidy.

What surprised us wasn’t which episodes blew up, but why. The biggest listens didn’t come from grand arguments or hot takes. They came from small, stubborn things: cows. Pickles. Birds. Food. The way ordinary obsessions turn into memory and meaning if you sit with them long enough.

We keep circling the same question because it won’t let us go:
Can a single act make someone a hero? And if it does, how long before the shine wears off and the rest of the human shows through?

We revisit the episodes that sparked real conversation—and the ones that landed with a thud. We look hard at what worked, what didn’t, and what we’re willing to change next time.

If you’ve got a topic, a person worth grilling, or a strong opinion about dill versus sweet, we want it. Season four is still wet cement. Your fingerprints are welcome.

Best to you and yours,
 Kate & KJ


HeroorDick2023@gmail.com

SPEAKER_01:

Um, okay, we're recording. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the final episode of Hero or Dick.

SPEAKER_00:

For the year of 2025. Right. Not the final one ever.

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No.

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No.

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We don't know the number of it because we skipped a couple numbers.

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Yeah, doing our year in review.

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Apparently, we don't like the number 14.

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14 and 21.

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Yeah.

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That's cool.

SPEAKER_00:

Maybe that's lucky. Divisible by seven.

SPEAKER_01:

We're getting old. That's what it is. Or I am. We were just talking about that. Um whoa. Oh shit. There's that buzzing, but I'll just figure it out later, I guess. I usually try to.

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It does.

SPEAKER_00:

Um it comes and goes, so whatever.

SPEAKER_01:

Talking about how things change and yada yada yada. But um, you know what we did, it's changed for us. Is that uh we do the Christmas light, you know, drive around, look at Christmas lights. Yeah. And uh be damned if we could get those kids to go. The one I get it, he's home, he's 19. And then my daughter just took a nap that she didn't wake up from for four hours and wouldn't answer her phone. And I knocked on her door once. So did it ourselves.

SPEAKER_00:

She just did it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's just weird though. Things just narrow down.

SPEAKER_00:

We don't have any kids on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it was her. You're gonna be all right.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. Yeah, they're fine. Um, they have you know, they have to travel, I get it. And um Jenna and Mike have a new house, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Everybody starts their own new traditions.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't certainly well, we were down there last week and it's a great house, and they're it's perfect for them. Good. Yeah, it's in a fantastic neighborhood. And in a wonderful uh garden bar. A garden bar.

SPEAKER_01:

A garden bar?

SPEAKER_00:

Why aren't they all guards? It's a greenhouse, they sell craft beer, they sell soup. It's called Horics. There's three locations Lansing, Kentwood, and this is you.

SPEAKER_01:

Three locations. Visit them at WWW. Great. Kate got me a gift, or my family a gift. Oh, yeah. We we can describe it.

SPEAKER_00:

We're not on the it's not for you and you alone.

SPEAKER_01:

It could be. That's why I didn't tell them. Um Kate has some wonderful talents, and she made us some washcloths because she knows that I'm a dirty person when I got my hair. Oh, they're for dishes, okay.

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You can use it for your body, but they actually have scrubby yarn with it.

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So all the blackheads on my face this one. Well no, very nice. They're very pretty. They're like white and blue, and then uh this rocket of goodness.

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Look at that rocket of goodness. It's so beautiful.

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It is beautiful.

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What does it say?

SPEAKER_01:

It's shaped uh uh MS food clotted cream fudge, Marks and Spencer's yep, net weight 4.76 ounces, and it's uh shaped like a Christmas tree. Um it's very pretty, and it's full of fudge. Fudge.

SPEAKER_00:

Clotted cream fudge. It's gonna be delicious.

SPEAKER_01:

Plot my arteries. No, it probably will. Might as well. Plotted cream fudge. Thank you. Very good.

SPEAKER_00:

Let us know next time.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, I feel bad though, because I skimped. I did get you some gifts. You ready for this? I don't know if I'm ready. First one.

SPEAKER_00:

First of all, I like to wrap paper.

SPEAKER_01:

I wrapped it in a Walmart Meyer bag. I got you some Oreo cereal. It's not the same type though. It's Oreo puffs. Because you did like Oreo cereal.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't like Oreo Puffs.

SPEAKER_01:

It ties into the cereal episode, which was sometime cereal. The other very popular one was about snack cheese. Yeah, I got her a can of spray cheese.

SPEAKER_00:

We decided the the off brand was as good as the on brand.

SPEAKER_01:

And that was our most popular episode ever, by the way. The cows and the cheese and all that.

SPEAKER_00:

Cows and the cheese? Oh, I thought pickles or cereal.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh no, we had a hundred over a hundred and whatever downloads of the cow cheese pickles.

SPEAKER_00:

And then I love these, but they go with your uh oh, flip side mini's my favorite cracker.

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I love oh what was that? Hello, am I still there? Oh my god, I think I'm getting electrocuted. Jesus.

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You know what? The thing's gone.

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But there you soon. What was that? Yeah, I'm still recording.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow. We just got Zach.

SPEAKER_01:

I felt that too when I touched that. Yeah. Oh my god. Cypress to get some new equipment. Well, anyway, so 2023? Yeah, maybe I think so. Uh anyway, happy holidays, Kate. Merry Christmas, all that jazz.

SPEAKER_00:

It's always a good gift.

SPEAKER_01:

It really is, see. Um so the whole point of getting together today is to go through and talk about the year in review.

SPEAKER_00:

So we yeah.

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Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00:

We uh well I was going to say we did 22 shows, but we didn't because we skipped some numbers. So let's just say we did about 20 shows. About shows. And let's see, uh our total number of downloads. I think this is since we started though.

SPEAKER_01:

It is. Well, not that many, it's over a thousand, which is good for two people who just we're winging it.

SPEAKER_00:

We're two people winging it. Oh, oh, it does say here's our uh top episode.

SPEAKER_01:

The amazing world of cows or something like that. That too. Yeah. And that's one where we're scarfing. Enlarge it.

SPEAKER_00:

We're in a lot of um countries though, aren't we?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I can I could do that.

SPEAKER_00:

So, of course, in Alpina, we're we're most popular. And then second, hey Harlan, o Iowa.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

We love Iowa. What's going on there? Mm-hmm. Canton, Michigan, and everyone's Chicago, Illinois. Listening to half an up for Holland, Detroit, Sydney, New South Wales. Hey, Sydney. We're gonna be doing a live uh podcast from there in 2027.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Okay, plan it in planning. All right.

SPEAKER_00:

We get a few hits there, Washington, Virginia, Northville, Michigan, Omaha, Nebraska.

SPEAKER_01:

Thanks, Omaha.

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Omaha.

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Yeah. I like that song by Counting Crows.

SPEAKER_00:

Omaha?

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Omaha, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

That one? No, I don't. What the flip? It's one of the better ones.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know a lot of counting crows.

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They're on tour.

SPEAKER_00:

I know crows though, and you know why? Because we did so many bird episodes this year.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

We did. We can not only cows might have been our most popular, but we have blackbirds, blackbirds, including counting crows. And we had turkeys and ducks, and we almost had chickens.

SPEAKER_01:

And we were I was prepped for chickens.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. We're so ready for chickens.

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Maybe next year.

SPEAKER_00:

Next year, Emily. Next year in favor, we'll we'll do the chicken show. So we covered some people too. Joaquin Phoenix.

SPEAKER_01:

He was a hero, wasn't he? A dick hero. A dick issue. You know, we gotta you know we need to be less wishy-washy, but it's hard.

SPEAKER_00:

It is hard because most people and most things you know have something cool about them, something hero-ish, but then we're all human.

SPEAKER_01:

No, and not everybody's a cows aren't even perfect. And a hero's not a hero their whole life. You know what I mean? You usually grow into that role.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, is the hero around the one circumstance or does it take a lot?

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Like what about that dude that landed the plane on the water years back? Sully. Sully. Maybe he's a real piece of a hero. Oh, he is.

SPEAKER_00:

But he could be a dick of the city.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what I mean. He did a heroic thing, but he could be a real cocksucker. You don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think he is.

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He probably isn't.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

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Looks like a nice guy.

SPEAKER_00:

He is a nice guy.

SPEAKER_01:

Looks like Grandpa Joe, doesn't he? Grandpa Joe's probably much. Yeah. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. He was one of the grandpas in bed.

SPEAKER_00:

He looks like him, but he was actually in the movie with uh Mark Wahlberg and Will Farrell. Right on the Will Farrell's.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah, yeah. Daddy's Home Part 27.

SPEAKER_00:

Or Christmas. Whatever the Christmas one is. That's a good movie. Sully is in it.

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Makes me chuckle.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that was a good one.

SPEAKER_01:

The first one was good.

SPEAKER_00:

I liked them both. Uh people, we also covered Val Kilmer, he passed away. Roseanne Bar, she did not. Roll Dahl, Paul Rubens, aka.

SPEAKER_01:

He's dead too.

SPEAKER_00:

Pee-wee. Yeah, he is. It was a tribute. Yeah, but Dan Aykroyd, he didn't die.

SPEAKER_01:

He's still chasing.

SPEAKER_00:

Stephen Hawking. I think that was our most boring podcast all year. I think people would agree with that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I I don't even know.

SPEAKER_00:

Again, Stephen Hawking, but that was pretty lame.

SPEAKER_01:

He's in those Epstein files, though.

SPEAKER_00:

Probably.

SPEAKER_01:

Everyone's in there. You're in there, I saw.

SPEAKER_00:

Those pictures show up.

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Uh you sit there. Gross. Well, it wasn't a bad one. It's like you and Jeff were playing uh Scrabble.

SPEAKER_00:

I was in the pool with Bill Clinton.

SPEAKER_01:

Were you?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, that's not George Washington. He wasn't the last show. No, he was in the Epskine Files too.

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Washington.

SPEAKER_00:

You know that guy.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. What are we going to do for next year? What are we going to focus on? People, places, things.

SPEAKER_00:

What are our goals for next year? Well, first of all, we're talking about dead people, so I just want to give a shout out to someone who recently passed away, and it's Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. They were both very talented, and he made he was a great actor, but he also made a lot of movies that I love. In fact, I think I uh I there's not a movie that he's made that I hate.

SPEAKER_01:

Name some of them.

SPEAKER_00:

Princess Bride.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that was good.

SPEAKER_00:

We just watched Stand By Me this week.

SPEAKER_01:

That was him too.

SPEAKER_00:

Rob Reiner directed it.

SPEAKER_01:

No kidding. Did you watch it because of this whole thing?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh that one, yeah, we did. Misery. Again, Stephen King wrote it, Rob Reiner directed it. Man, you guys got imagined.

SPEAKER_01:

Misery was pretty beautiful.

SPEAKER_00:

It was a great one. You should appreciate that as a writer.

SPEAKER_01:

I forgot. James Connell was the guy. And he's the guy from ELF. Very timely. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

He died.

SPEAKER_01:

He's dead too.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

What's going on, Kate?

SPEAKER_00:

No, people get wolf.

SPEAKER_01:

Everyone's kicking a bucket.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, he wasn't young. The other one we watched this week, uh, in tribute to Rob Reiner was Spinal Tap and Spinal Tap 2, which Spinal Tap 2 was funny.

SPEAKER_01:

I've never seen those.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, you should watch them. Because even if you think you don't like it, it's kind of like um I hear people say they don't like the Beatles. Well, you might not. You think you don't like the Beatles, but the Beatles influence everybody you do like. Sure. And so Spinal Tap, even if you've never seen the movie or you say you don't like it, which you do, it influenced that uh that type of filming. So The Office, UK, The Office Here, Parks and Wreck, Av and M Ava Elementary, all of those are there's a name for it. Maybe it's third camera or third wall or something like that. And so it's like the interview. And that spinal tap was the first of its kind to do it. And it was also filmed that way, but it was also filmed as a mockumentary. So of course it wasn't true. Gotcha. And so that perpetuated that. So it is groundbreaking on many levels. And for that, we say thank you, Rub Rice. And his wife, an accomplished photographer, Michelle.

SPEAKER_01:

And thank you for being Meathead.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, Meathead.

SPEAKER_01:

All of the family.

SPEAKER_00:

This is great when they'd argue. I remember one argument. And why I I mean, this is I'm a young kid watching this. I still remember Meathead, Michael, and Archie Bunker, his father-in-law, fighting about if there's a fire, what are you going to put on? Sock, sock, shoe, shoes, or sock, shoe, sock, shoe. There's a whole argument about that.

SPEAKER_01:

I watched that just it popped up in a feed.

SPEAKER_00:

So funny.

SPEAKER_01:

But yeah. I like they would go back and forth, obviously, about politics and everything.

SPEAKER_00:

They did not agree on much, but that's what made that show interesting and fun. And that one was uh groundbreaking also. So we'll miss you, Rob Reiner. Okay. So let's see. What else are we going to talk about here?

SPEAKER_01:

Um, you were we were going to talk about our goals for the coming uh season.

SPEAKER_00:

For the season four, and Cassidy, I want you to let you know this. My goal is to get us some swag.

SPEAKER_01:

We keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, and this is the year I'm making it happen.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know, it's not that hard for us to do.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. That's why we should have done it a long time ago. We're going into season four.

SPEAKER_01:

Might be a way to get people to email us at Hero or Dick.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, they can run the contest. Well, when I get the swag, we're gonna run a contest. The first winner right now is gonna be Cassidy, but after that, we're gonna have real winners. No, we're like a real contest.

SPEAKER_01:

I gotcha. No, I mean I think we were pretty consistent, right? We did a one or two, I don't know, we must have done about two a month. Yeah, one and a half a month.

SPEAKER_00:

We tried to go every other week.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think uh I'm gonna try to be better about staying on topic, but I don't like doing that.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I like I can't help it. My brain goes all over the place. I know, but I say random shit, and I shouldn't probably, but I do. Um and I probably shouldn't swear as much. Well, but I don't care.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't care.

SPEAKER_01:

And then what else could we do?

SPEAKER_00:

I don't care if you swear.

SPEAKER_01:

It would be fun to do a live one or uh uh one with cameras.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't like being like when the paparazzi chases me.

SPEAKER_01:

I get it.

SPEAKER_00:

And for and and and you as a dude, you don't have to worry about it. You put on a hat, you're done. See me as an old lady, I need to put on makeup and make sure that I don't have a stain on the front of my shirt. And you know, it's I take some effort. And um, I was just on a Zoom call this week, and the first thing I said was, first of all, I want to thank you all for just doing the audio only and not making me, you know, blow dry my hair and put on makeup and actually get dressed.

SPEAKER_01:

So maybe we won't do the the video one then.

SPEAKER_00:

We'll see.

SPEAKER_01:

A live one would be fun.

SPEAKER_00:

A live one would be fun.

SPEAKER_01:

But we'd have to do it somewhere weird. Okay, well or not weird, like a bar or something where people are just bugging us, you know?

SPEAKER_00:

Like you want to somewhere where commotion.

SPEAKER_01:

People stopping by, telling them they're heroes or dicks.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, maybe we could do that. Get in line. What about a guest? Oh my god, we should be at the fair. Holy shit. And we could be like uh we will guess you if you are a hero or dick. I don't know. Give us three facts.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

We could do that anyway. If you want to give us three facts about yourself, we'll decide if you're a hero or dick.

SPEAKER_01:

Just three though. That's not nice. There's gotta be there's more to somebody than three good ones or three bad ones.

SPEAKER_00:

You're a hero. But no, I'm saying we you gotta use a little of the intuitiveness.

SPEAKER_01:

Sure. The sixth sense, seventh sense. The sixth sense. So we focused a lot, I don't have we focused a lot on animals.

SPEAKER_00:

We're birds. What the hell? I don't like birds. What the you like? I like chicken. I like potwey's fried chicken.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I thought you said you're gonna stop eating fried chicken. No, you didn't say that. Last year though, we tried to say, or I tried to say I wasn't gonna eat as much meat.

SPEAKER_00:

And did you?

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't. Haven't been.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, haven't been eating meat or haven't been saying it.

SPEAKER_01:

No. No, haven't been eating as much red meat. Oh. It's weird though, because I don't even I don't know, sometimes I can't even look at it. Yeah, it's weird.

SPEAKER_00:

I I know if you think about it a little too much, not even thinking about this with the cows. You know, I well, maybe that's when you gave up the the red meat.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, it's been happening for a while.

SPEAKER_00:

But man, we had some good steaks lately.

SPEAKER_01:

And if you have a good steak, yeah, oh yeah, when you get you gotta be in now, it's like I gotta be in the mood. And it sucked. I was in the mood the other night. I went to a restaurant. I probably I won't say the place because and um I was so looking forward to it, and I got a burger, uh, mushroom Swiss burger, and it was absolute dog shit. Oh actually, afterwards, did you throw a lot? No, but I was doing the other thing. Oh no, yeah, I had perhaps then for most of the night.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, that's sad, especially when you now you're gonna associate that mushroom Swiss to being ill.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'll still do it.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't I'm not like that. That's good anyway. That was a bummer because I was like, yeah, burger, burger. You know, I was going on with my boy and my wife because he's home. You know, he likes burgers and stuff, but he didn't get a burger. He looked for whatever was on the menu with the most calories. Because he's trying to bulk up or whatever, he's Mr. Weightlifter.

SPEAKER_00:

That's like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I told him, I'm like, dude, we I look at stuff and gain weight.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. Everybody else has the opposite problem. Like he, you know.

SPEAKER_01:

And this time of year, oh my god. All the cookies and candy.

SPEAKER_00:

Sugar cookies are my weakness. And my we I used to take the day off of work, and my friend Beth and I would make cookies and fudge all day. And so we were talking about, we're like, we're gonna do that. We're but we're gonna scale it down. So we got together Friday. Thank you to her mom, Barbara, for letting us use the kitchen. Uh, and we made sugar cookies and we made peanut butter kisses, which are the peanut butter cookies with the Hershey's Kiss in them on top, and fudge. And all turned out great. They're not beautiful. We're not on TV decorating them. If you want some beautiful cookie, don't come to me. If you want one that tastes good, we those sugar cookies are so good, just lather on that frosting. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So I keep them in the garage. So I don't eat them. That's smart. I gave some away too. You didn't get any, sorry. That's all right. You get the collated cream fudge. I did not make collated cream fudge, but the fudge we make has that fluff in it. You know, of this jars of fluff, it's called marshmallow fluff.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. You put it in the floor.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a weird, weird thing. Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, my beautiful wife, Brooke, have you met her? Okay. She uh makes this thing uh the last couple of years and she made it last night. And it's basically the mini marshmallows. But you melt them and then put some other stuff in it and it hardens and it's like a nougat almost, but it's marshmallow. And she got tropical Swedish fish and chopped them up and put them in them. God damn it, that's so good. It's so bad, but it's so good.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, marshmallows aren't they're sugar, but they're basically calorie-free. They're not really heavy. Um, those Swedish fish, those aren't horrible. I don't know what else is in it.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't either. Why don't ask questions? I know it's delicious.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh two blocks of butter. That's it. Well, then we we kind of broke into the barber's butter too, so we were a little over that. But for the cookies, the fudge, and uh for the cookies, yeah. That's fine. That's what I thought. That was not bad. Two pounds of butter.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, yeah, it's hard. Like you walk through the store and everything looks better because they just throw some Christmas packaging on it. Little happy Christmas trees.

SPEAKER_00:

Damn it. Oh, those are good. Just waxy. Those are really good things. There's a new kind of them though. Stick with the the traditional, I say. It's like a hmm, I can know, I can't remember. Was it chewy?

SPEAKER_01:

Chewy.

SPEAKER_00:

I can't remember, but stick to the traditional is my suggestion.

SPEAKER_01:

But yeah, we'll probably talk about more food then.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, food, food, food. Yeah. Why wouldn't we?

SPEAKER_01:

Damn fools if we didn't.

SPEAKER_00:

Everybody eats food. Pickles was a big uh episode for us.

SPEAKER_01:

It was a big one. Huge.

SPEAKER_00:

I it is. I know.

SPEAKER_01:

I know.

SPEAKER_00:

Surprisingly, maybe it's because and I like these that when we take a pole. Well, you do it. When I take a poll. And so I don't know anybody like. But people are passionate about pickles. Passionate. You know what? They don't like sweet pickles.

SPEAKER_01:

Most people say that.

SPEAKER_00:

They like dill pickles. Uh, I like sweet pickles, so whatever. But um, I like dill too. But yeah, I like a sweet pickle.

SPEAKER_01:

What was your uh favorite episode?

SPEAKER_00:

My favorite episode. Well, I like talking about Pee-Wee Herman because I really love that guy. I really do love him. And late night talk show host because it it branched into free speech and etc.

SPEAKER_01:

That was our longest episode, 50 minutes long.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, there's a lot to say about that.

SPEAKER_01:

Our shortest one, I think, was probably Stephen Hawking. No, I think it was Joaquin.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah, that's okay. Game shows I had fun with.

SPEAKER_01:

I like that one.

SPEAKER_00:

Again, take a poll and it's fun. So maybe we'll try to do that. Take more polls.

SPEAKER_01:

I have a hard time with the old folks.

SPEAKER_00:

What old folks?

SPEAKER_01:

Like George, Washington. Well, um but maybe it's because I'm not presenting the material in an engaging way. Oh.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I think it's important to look at people who are considered heroic. And if you watched uh anything about the Revolutionary War era, specifically that Ken Burns document that was just out recently, you will find out that not everybody who was a founding father of our country was oh god, no.

SPEAKER_01:

Was most of them probably yeah, most probably weren't.

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No.

SPEAKER_00:

They were they were all for freedom as long as it was for them.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Their country.

SPEAKER_00:

Maybe not for everybody. Right. Yes, for everybody, but yeah, you. Not you, people of color, not you women. No. No.

SPEAKER_01:

Definitely not women.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't get it. Women to me probably have had it the worst. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, Asian, you're a woman. You're kind of fucked.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I was telling Brooke that the other day. I'm like, I don't get it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

And yet we're running behind the scenes. You look at Martha Washington or any one of those women. Uh Abigail Adams, in the um, in that recent um 10 Burns uh documentary, and they had a bunch of letters that she wrote, and she was kind of like, hey, yeah, you should really do this. You should really think about this. Oh yeah. And then they claim it as their idea. Well, that happens everyone. Not just to women, but to everybody, but to women.

SPEAKER_01:

True.

SPEAKER_00:

Probably more.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you think about some of these Yahoo's, not Yahoos, but the influence that their spouses or mothers or whomever had on the people like um Ozzie, Sharon Osborne. If it wasn't for her, he wouldn't have had a long career.

SPEAKER_00:

We would he'd be dead long ago if it wasn't for Sharon. Um there's gotta be some other Dan the Aykroyd, he's got Donna Dixon.

SPEAKER_01:

Donna Dixon.

SPEAKER_00:

Cows probably got someone sitting at home for them. Cows versus bulls.

SPEAKER_01:

Cows. They have like four stomachs, right? Didn't we go through that?

SPEAKER_00:

I think they have a lot of stomachs. I just remember they are delicious. How about Urban Legends? What was that? Did you like that one?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I kind of like that one.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I was just looking at there's we did a share episode the year before and I said.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh shit. Here you go. I didn't watch it, did you?

SPEAKER_00:

I did watch it. She lip synced.

SPEAKER_01:

What?

SPEAKER_00:

But I'm gonna say it's okay, Cher, because you're 79 years old.

SPEAKER_01:

Is she 79?

SPEAKER_00:

You still look super great, super hot. She looked fabulous. If anybody can lip sync it, because I know she can sing it. Right. But I also know it's 11:30, 12 o'clock on Saturday night. She's 79 years old. Does she need to be open?

SPEAKER_01:

Nothing good happens after dark, Kate.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I thought it was after midnight.

SPEAKER_01:

That too.

SPEAKER_00:

Or sometimes they say after two. Yeah. If that's when the bar closes. Oh god. Uh, I did like uh the uh going back to favorite episodes. I like urban legends too, because I like urban legends.

SPEAKER_01:

That was fun. A little research on some weird things. I don't know. I think we've done a pretty good job.

SPEAKER_00:

I think so. We have uh a lot in the queue getting ready to do that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, what are some of those again?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I know I gotta find it.

SPEAKER_01:

It's all right. There we could do them on anybody.

SPEAKER_00:

Or anything.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

I would like to do the Vanderbilts.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Very interesting family. Um yeah. Very interesting. They have that Biltmore place too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you were there. That's right.

SPEAKER_00:

I was.

SPEAKER_01:

That's not the place where you got to the argument, though. Where was the one with the guy and the the kid on the on the uh log or whatever?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, that was on Driftwood Beach in uh seeing not St. Simon's Island, but the island like Georgia where the big sign says, please do not remove any of our driftwood. It's a protected area. It's like they film movies there. Did you ever watch what's the zombie one that was so popular? The Walking Dead. They filmed the beach scene there, like that was the scene. The huge sign. Yeah, huge sign. And there's a guy with his two 10-year-old daughter, or 10 and 12, maybe, jumping on that line. Beth is the one who said, Hey, knock that off. Yeah. We'll see. I don't know. Hopefully, his kids listen to us. Uh I know he wasn't.

SPEAKER_01:

You probably scarred the kids. They are good.

SPEAKER_00:

I hope I scarred them enough that they are like, we're we shouldn't take this driftwood off this beach.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Because that lady will come back and kick our ass and it will be there to preserve her future.

SPEAKER_01:

Think, people.

SPEAKER_00:

It's not done anymore. It's just not done. I don't know where my list is.

SPEAKER_01:

You've got so many notes, it's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00:

I'll leave these to you. You can publish them.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Here's the pickled pickled flavored things. Remember that?

SPEAKER_01:

Pickled flavored things.

SPEAKER_00:

Chips, pickled chips.

SPEAKER_01:

Wasn't that part of pickles?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, right there. Goldfish. Everything it has a pickled flavor.

SPEAKER_01:

Pickled chapstick.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Uh yes. Mayo. Beef turkey. Who wants pickled beef jerky?

SPEAKER_01:

That might be good. Pickled bologna's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Pickled eggs. Pickled eggs.

SPEAKER_00:

Cocaine bear. I like that.

SPEAKER_01:

Cocaine bear.

SPEAKER_00:

That was just uh that was one of our factors.

SPEAKER_01:

I tried watching it.

SPEAKER_00:

It's not couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_01:

I'll have to try it again.

SPEAKER_00:

It's on streaming.

SPEAKER_01:

It's everywhere. It's on Prime.

SPEAKER_00:

Was that on Prime? I think you gotta buy it.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. It might be free for Prime members. Aren't you a Prime member? I am. Of course you are.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, we started the year with the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh boy. Lions aren't gonna go to this one. Again. I tell you, it's the game before that. They gave a guy a touchdown for the Rams that shouldn't have got it. I mean that debacle yesterday.

SPEAKER_00:

That was weird.

SPEAKER_01:

Are you going to the Super Bowl this year?

SPEAKER_00:

No, not this year.

SPEAKER_01:

No. Bet you that's expensive.

SPEAKER_00:

No, if I would ever want to go to the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

It seems like there's too many people there and too much going on.

SPEAKER_01:

Kate, I went into North Candy Country and Gifts yesterday with the biggest.

SPEAKER_00:

And that was too many people.

SPEAKER_01:

There was eight people, and I looked and I said, We're not going in here. She's like, What? I said, No, I'm not going in. I was like, not knocking that place. I love that place. But I went to the house.

SPEAKER_00:

Did you go back?

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I did not. I'll go back someday. I like going in there. They do a nice little pour-over coffee there.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And then uh obviously there's some sweets in there. Uh have you been to the the place downtown? The candy place?

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

That's pretty cool. They got like the old school stuff in there.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, that looks like it's you know, it's not good.

SPEAKER_00:

Could you buy some stuff?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

They were given out at my credit union.

SPEAKER_01:

Smarties.

SPEAKER_00:

I know.

SPEAKER_01:

Pure sugar.

SPEAKER_00:

I love them.

SPEAKER_01:

I like smarties, you know. You can get the sour smarties. Um, what do you got there? Uh our list?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, this was from season two.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my god, season two. That's so long ago.

SPEAKER_00:

It is.

SPEAKER_01:

So how many years has this been?

SPEAKER_00:

Three.

SPEAKER_01:

So the season matches the years. Okay. All right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, if I don't, I mean. Okay. Well, if you want to be a guest on our show.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And we we probably we probably won't pass judgment on the person, correct? Uh we'll let the the listeners, based on what they say, decide.

SPEAKER_00:

What's the name of our show?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, hero or dick.

SPEAKER_00:

I think that's that's the only judgment we'll get.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe we should get like the mayor on here or something.

SPEAKER_00:

Who is the mayor?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't even know. Isn't Cindy Johnson? Is she still the mayor? Wasn't she filling in?

SPEAKER_00:

I thought she was mayor of Pro Tune, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But I I don't live in the city. You should run for mayor. I don't live in the city, so I can't run or vote for the mayor. You can. You live in the city.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. All right, let's interview someone else then.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, and we need so what's the email address if people have ideas?

SPEAKER_01:

Aeroordic 2023, which was our founding year, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Founding year, yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

At gmail.com. And once we get into the swag business, we might actually have an email that's not at gmail.com. You should watch.

SPEAKER_00:

Really? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I thought I was gonna put up a website. I haven't done anything.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

We could have a website hosted on things.

SPEAKER_00:

Do we have a sub stack?

SPEAKER_01:

We could sell stuff there. No, no sub stack. Excuse me. Well, I don't have anything else, Kate.

SPEAKER_00:

That's all I got.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a pretty lame episode.

SPEAKER_00:

It is a lame episode.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know how many downloads this bitch is gonna get.

SPEAKER_00:

Sorry, everybody. It's our recap.

SPEAKER_01:

It is the uh it is the editing.

SPEAKER_00:

And see what we've done and what we can do better, please email us. Or what you like, please email us. I'll tell you, I do like the um the poll, like when you ask everybody what they think. What's your favorite game show? What's your favorite pickle? What's your favorite room in the house? That was kind of fun.

SPEAKER_01:

That was fun. Yeah, that was different.

SPEAKER_00:

I didn't think it would, I thought everybody liked being at their house, but you know what? Everybody doesn't like being at their house.

SPEAKER_01:

Especially some rooms, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Right. They're scary or they're messy or they're they don't want to look at it. Whatever, yeah. Please tell us that. Oh, emo, that was an idea that Harley had. Emo emo music or culture.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I guess I'd be interested to do that one because uh I I don't get it. I mean, I get the music because people say it's em emo.

SPEAKER_00:

Maybe you would get it if we researched it and found out about it. That might be our hot, hot one for 2026.

SPEAKER_01:

Could be the first one we do. Hey, look at there's a fucking elf walking down the road. No shit. Yeah, look. Oh, you missed.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah. She doesn't have the shoes, the pointy shoes.

SPEAKER_01:

She's got the green coat and the hat, though.

SPEAKER_00:

Are they really? I don't know. I can't tell.

SPEAKER_01:

Super cool. Who died?

SPEAKER_00:

I hope it wasn't Santa.

SPEAKER_01:

I watched that last night.

SPEAKER_00:

That Santa died?

SPEAKER_01:

Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_00:

We watched Santa, the Heist Before Christmas.

SPEAKER_01:

Is that a Hallmark movie?

SPEAKER_00:

No, it's uh from I thought it was from the UK, but it turned out it was from Ireland, and it was uh a kind of cute show. Yeah, it was because it was different too. So it was I liked it. The Heist Before Christmas, I believe it was on Amazon Prime, but I don't know. Netflix, one of those.

SPEAKER_01:

See, I gotta load up one tonight. No, actually, tonight I want to watch the John Ellway documentary with Julian. Uh-oh. A new release on Netflix. One of my favorite quarterbacks of football players of all time. Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

And then um last new doc coming out on some oh, we did, didn't we cover Chevy Chase?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

New documentary out about him coming this token. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe it'll revive his movie watched.

SPEAKER_00:

I love his movies. I just don't love him. So we'll maybe watch the doc and see why I don't love him.

SPEAKER_01:

We have uh community or we have the Hulu now. We we can YouTube TV and we have Hulu and community's on there. I'm gonna start watching that again. That's funny.

SPEAKER_00:

That one is I did like that. That one in Parks and Rock is still funny too.

SPEAKER_01:

I think we've been watching Raising Hope again. Oh, that's so funny. Shit.

SPEAKER_00:

That one is really funny. Cloris Leechman's a grandma.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, she's great.

SPEAKER_00:

That is old too, but it it was it was funny. Some of them don't hold up, some of them do.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah, there was the one that had some Osama bin Laden stuff on it, like jokes or whatever. Yeah, I'm just like, huh.

SPEAKER_00:

Huh.

SPEAKER_01:

That's weird. Remember that? They were dunking someone's head in the toilet and they stuck Osama bin Laden's head on there. Like it was weird. Must have been happening during the hole, whatever. That's too bad. Weird. But he would have been uh a dick.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So that would have been we could have done that. That would have been gonna be a good one. That was an easy one though.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like, okay, today our topic is. Yeah, yeah, he's a dick.

SPEAKER_01:

See you, ladies and gentlemen. But no, uh I I appreciate your efforts, Kate. You're always on eye. I look forward to doing this.

SPEAKER_00:

So we're happy to have any listeners, but we're also happy if we don't, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what people don't get. Yeah. And I think it's good for us to get together and BS and do this. So it's been fun.

SPEAKER_00:

Three seasons going into season four. All right, and listener. Yeah, you we promise to try to do better.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we will.

SPEAKER_00:

We will. We will.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, everybody, enjoy your holiday. Have a happy holiday if you're having a holiday.

SPEAKER_00:

Have a you know, good Wednesday or whatever. Oh, is it so hard?

SPEAKER_01:

It's hard to be, it's getting harder to be. Don't say yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Like I do.

SPEAKER_01:

There's too much, there's a lot of just listen to people a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

Or just telling you too much information. You just nod and say, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Now I'm gonna tell everyone a big secret that some of my closest friends know, but um sometimes on certain days, when I say Merry Christmas, uh-huh, I really mean fuck you. Oh no. So that's why I don't really say Merry Christmas uh very often. Um, I like the happy holidays instead. But if I say Merry Christmas, it doesn't mean that.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh no, everybody be careful.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, Merry Christmas, everyone. Oh no, bye bye.

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