Hero or Dick - S3., Ep. 24? - Heroes, Dicks, And A Side Of Clotted Cream Fudge

A thousand downloads. Cookies, steak, and one deeply suspect mushroom Swiss.

That’s how we close 2025—by taking inventory and not pretending it was tidy.

What surprised us wasn’t which episodes blew up, but why. The biggest listens didn’t come from grand arguments or hot takes. They came from small, stubborn things: cows. Pickles. Birds. Food. The way ordinary obsessions turn into memory and meaning if you sit with them long enough.

We keep circling the same question because it won’t let us go:
Can a single act make someone a hero? And if it does, how long before the shine wears off and the rest of the human shows through?

We revisit the episodes that sparked real conversation—and the ones that landed with a thud. We look hard at what worked, what didn’t, and what we’re willing to change next time.

If you’ve got a topic, a person worth grilling, or a strong opinion about dill versus sweet, we want it. Season four is still wet cement. Your fingerprints are welcome.

Best to you and yours,
 Kate & KJ

HeroorDick2023@gmail.com

Transcript

Year-End Setup And Holiday Changes

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Um, okay, we're recording. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the final episode of Hero or Dick.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

For the year of 2025. Right. Not the final one ever.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

No.

unknown 0:14

No.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

We don't know the number of it because we skipped a couple numbers.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Yeah, doing our year in review.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Apparently, we don't like the number 14.

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14 and 21.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Maybe that's lucky. Divisible by seven.

SPEAKER_01 0:27

We're getting old. That's what it is. Or I am. We were just talking about that. Um whoa. Oh shit. There's that buzzing, but I'll just figure it out later, I guess. I usually try to.

unknown 0:38

It does.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Um it comes and goes, so whatever.

Gifts, Fudge, And Inside Jokes

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Talking about how things change and yada yada yada. But um, you know what we did, it's changed for us. Is that uh we do the Christmas light, you know, drive around, look at Christmas lights. Yeah. And uh be damned if we could get those kids to go. The one I get it, he's home, he's 19. And then my daughter just took a nap that she didn't wake up from for four hours and wouldn't answer her phone. And I knocked on her door once. So did it ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

She just did it.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Yeah, it's just weird though. Things just narrow down.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

We don't have any kids on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Yeah, it was her. You're gonna be all right.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Yep. Yeah, they're fine. Um, they have you know, they have to travel, I get it. And um Jenna and Mike have a new house, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Everybody starts their own new traditions.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

I don't certainly well, we were down there last week and it's a great house, and they're it's perfect for them. Good. Yeah, it's in a fantastic neighborhood. And in a wonderful uh garden bar. A garden bar.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

A garden bar?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Why aren't they all guards? It's a greenhouse, they sell craft beer, they sell soup. It's called Horics. There's three locations Lansing, Kentwood, and this is you.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Three locations. Visit them at WWW. Great. Kate got me a gift, or my family a gift. Oh, yeah. We we can describe it.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

We're not on the it's not for you and you alone.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

It could be. That's why I didn't tell them. Um Kate has some wonderful talents, and she made us some washcloths because she knows that I'm a dirty person when I got my hair. Oh, they're for dishes, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

You can use it for your body, but they actually have scrubby yarn with it.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

So all the blackheads on my face this one. Well no, very nice. They're very pretty. They're like white and blue, and then uh this rocket of goodness.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Look at that rocket of goodness. It's so beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

It is beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

What does it say?

SPEAKER_01 3:00

It's shaped uh uh MS food clotted cream fudge, Marks and Spencer's yep, net weight 4.76 ounces, and it's uh shaped like a Christmas tree. Um it's very pretty, and it's full of fudge. Fudge.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Clotted cream fudge. It's gonna be delicious.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Plot my arteries. No, it probably will. Might as well. Plotted cream fudge. Thank you. Very good.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Let us know next time.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

You know, I feel bad though, because I skimped. I did get you some gifts. You ready for this? I don't know if I'm ready. First one.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

First of all, I like to wrap paper.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

I wrapped it in a Walmart Meyer bag. I got you some Oreo cereal. It's not the same type though. It's Oreo puffs. Because you did like Oreo cereal.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

I don't like Oreo Puffs.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

It ties into the cereal episode, which was sometime cereal. The other very popular one was about snack cheese. Yeah, I got her a can of spray cheese.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

We decided the the off brand was as good as the on brand.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

And that was our most popular episode ever, by the way. The cows and the cheese and all that.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Cows and the cheese? Oh, I thought pickles or cereal.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Oh no, we had a hundred over a hundred and whatever downloads of the cow cheese pickles.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

And then I love these, but they go with your uh oh, flip side mini's my favorite cracker.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

I love oh what was that? Hello, am I still there? Oh my god, I think I'm getting electrocuted. Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

You know what? The thing's gone.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

But there you soon. What was that? Yeah, I'm still recording.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Wow. We just got Zach.

Shocking Tech Glitch And Reset

SPEAKER_01 4:44

I felt that too when I touched that. Yeah. Oh my god. Cypress to get some new equipment. Well, anyway, so 2023? Yeah, maybe I think so. Uh anyway, happy holidays, Kate. Merry Christmas, all that jazz.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

It's always a good gift.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

It really is, see. Um so the whole point of getting together today is to go through and talk about the year in review.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

So we yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Go ahead.

Download Stats And Top Episodes

SPEAKER_00 5:17

We uh well I was going to say we did 22 shows, but we didn't because we skipped some numbers. So let's just say we did about 20 shows. About shows. And let's see, uh our total number of downloads. I think this is since we started though.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

It is. Well, not that many, it's over a thousand, which is good for two people who just we're winging it.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

We're two people winging it. Oh, oh, it does say here's our uh top episode.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

The amazing world of cows or something like that. That too. Yeah. And that's one where we're scarfing. Enlarge it.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

We're in a lot of um countries though, aren't we?

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Yeah, I can I could do that.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

So, of course, in Alpina, we're we're most popular. And then second, hey Harlan, o Iowa.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

We love Iowa. What's going on there? Mm-hmm. Canton, Michigan, and everyone's Chicago, Illinois. Listening to half an up for Holland, Detroit, Sydney, New South Wales. Hey, Sydney. We're gonna be doing a live uh podcast from there in 2027.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Okay. Okay, plan it in planning. All right.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

We get a few hits there, Washington, Virginia, Northville, Michigan, Omaha, Nebraska.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

Thanks, Omaha.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Omaha.

Birds, Cows, And Topic Drift

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Yeah. I like that song by Counting Crows.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Omaha?

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Omaha, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

That one? No, I don't. What the flip? It's one of the better ones.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

I don't know a lot of counting crows.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

They're on tour.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

I know crows though, and you know why? Because we did so many bird episodes this year.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

We did. We can not only cows might have been our most popular, but we have blackbirds, blackbirds, including counting crows. And we had turkeys and ducks, and we almost had chickens.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

And we were I was prepped for chickens.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

I know. We're so ready for chickens.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Maybe next year.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Next year, Emily. Next year in favor, we'll we'll do the chicken show. So we covered some people too. Joaquin Phoenix.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

He was a hero, wasn't he? A dick hero. A dick issue. You know, we gotta you know we need to be less wishy-washy, but it's hard.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

It is hard because most people and most things you know have something cool about them, something hero-ish, but then we're all human.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

No, and not everybody's a cows aren't even perfect. And a hero's not a hero their whole life. You know what I mean? You usually grow into that role.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Well, is the hero around the one circumstance or does it take a lot?

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Right. Like what about that dude that landed the plane on the water years back? Sully. Sully. Maybe he's a real piece of a hero. Oh, he is.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

But he could be a dick of the city.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

That's what I mean. He did a heroic thing, but he could be a real cocksucker. You don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

I don't think he is.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

He probably isn't.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

No.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Looks like a nice guy.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

He is a nice guy.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Looks like Grandpa Joe, doesn't he? Grandpa Joe's probably much. Yeah. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. He was one of the grandpas in bed.

Heroes, Flaws, And The Sully Debate

SPEAKER_00 8:33

He looks like him, but he was actually in the movie with uh Mark Wahlberg and Will Farrell. Right on the Will Farrell's.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Oh, yeah, yeah. Daddy's Home Part 27.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Or Christmas. Whatever the Christmas one is. That's a good movie. Sully is in it.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Makes me chuckle.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Yeah, that was a good one.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

The first one was good.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

I liked them both. Uh people, we also covered Val Kilmer, he passed away. Roseanne Bar, she did not. Roll Dahl, Paul Rubens, aka.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

He's dead too.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Pee-wee. Yeah, he is. It was a tribute. Yeah, but Dan Aykroyd, he didn't die.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

He's still chasing.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Stephen Hawking. I think that was our most boring podcast all year. I think people would agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yeah, I I don't even know.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Again, Stephen Hawking, but that was pretty lame.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

He's in those Epstein files, though.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Probably.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Everyone's in there. You're in there, I saw.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Those pictures show up.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Uh you sit there. Gross. Well, it wasn't a bad one. It's like you and Jeff were playing uh Scrabble.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

I was in the pool with Bill Clinton.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Were you?

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Well, that's not George Washington. He wasn't the last show. No, he was in the Epskine Files too.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Washington.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

You know that guy.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

I don't know. What are we going to do for next year? What are we going to focus on? People, places, things.

Remembering Rob Reiner And Influence

SPEAKER_00 10:04

What are our goals for next year? Well, first of all, we're talking about dead people, so I just want to give a shout out to someone who recently passed away, and it's Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. They were both very talented, and he made he was a great actor, but he also made a lot of movies that I love. In fact, I think I uh I there's not a movie that he's made that I hate.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Name some of them.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Princess Bride.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Yeah, that was good.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

We just watched Stand By Me this week.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

That was him too.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Rob Reiner directed it.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

No kidding. Did you watch it because of this whole thing?

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Uh that one, yeah, we did. Misery. Again, Stephen King wrote it, Rob Reiner directed it. Man, you guys got imagined.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Misery was pretty beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

It was a great one. You should appreciate that as a writer.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

I forgot. James Connell was the guy. And he's the guy from ELF. Very timely. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

He died.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

He's dead too.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

What's going on, Kate?

SPEAKER_00 11:06

No, people get wolf.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Everyone's kicking a bucket.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

I mean, he wasn't young. The other one we watched this week, uh, in tribute to Rob Reiner was Spinal Tap and Spinal Tap 2, which Spinal Tap 2 was funny.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

I've never seen those.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Oh, you should watch them. Because even if you think you don't like it, it's kind of like um I hear people say they don't like the Beatles. Well, you might not. You think you don't like the Beatles, but the Beatles influence everybody you do like. Sure. And so Spinal Tap, even if you've never seen the movie or you say you don't like it, which you do, it influenced that uh that type of filming. So The Office, UK, The Office Here, Parks and Wreck, Av and M Ava Elementary, all of those are there's a name for it. Maybe it's third camera or third wall or something like that. And so it's like the interview. And that spinal tap was the first of its kind to do it. And it was also filmed that way, but it was also filmed as a mockumentary. So of course it wasn't true. Gotcha. And so that perpetuated that. So it is groundbreaking on many levels. And for that, we say thank you, Rub Rice. And his wife, an accomplished photographer, Michelle.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

And thank you for being Meathead.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Oh, Meathead.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

All of the family.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

This is great when they'd argue. I remember one argument. And why I I mean, this is I'm a young kid watching this. I still remember Meathead, Michael, and Archie Bunker, his father-in-law, fighting about if there's a fire, what are you going to put on? Sock, sock, shoe, shoes, or sock, shoe, sock, shoe. There's a whole argument about that.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

I watched that just it popped up in a feed.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

So funny.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

But yeah. I like they would go back and forth, obviously, about politics and everything.

Mockumentary Roots And TV Comedy

SPEAKER_00 13:14

They did not agree on much, but that's what made that show interesting and fun. And that one was uh groundbreaking also. So we'll miss you, Rob Reiner. Okay. So let's see. What else are we going to talk about here?

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Um, you were we were going to talk about our goals for the coming uh season.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

For the season four, and Cassidy, I want you to let you know this. My goal is to get us some swag.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

We keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Oh, and this is the year I'm making it happen.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

I don't know, it's not that hard for us to do.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

I know. That's why we should have done it a long time ago. We're going into season four.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Might be a way to get people to email us at Hero or Dick.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Oh, they can run the contest. Well, when I get the swag, we're gonna run a contest. The first winner right now is gonna be Cassidy, but after that, we're gonna have real winners. No, we're like a real contest.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

I gotcha. No, I mean I think we were pretty consistent, right? We did a one or two, I don't know, we must have done about two a month. Yeah, one and a half a month.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

We tried to go every other week.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

And I think uh I'm gonna try to be better about staying on topic, but I don't like doing that.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

I like I can't help it. My brain goes all over the place. I know, but I say random shit, and I shouldn't probably, but I do. Um and I probably shouldn't swear as much. Well, but I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

And then what else could we do?

SPEAKER_00 14:42

I don't care if you swear.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

It would be fun to do a live one or uh uh one with cameras.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

I don't like being like when the paparazzi chases me.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

I get it.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

And for and and and you as a dude, you don't have to worry about it. You put on a hat, you're done. See me as an old lady, I need to put on makeup and make sure that I don't have a stain on the front of my shirt. And you know, it's I take some effort. And um, I was just on a Zoom call this week, and the first thing I said was, first of all, I want to thank you all for just doing the audio only and not making me, you know, blow dry my hair and put on makeup and actually get dressed.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

So maybe we won't do the the video one then.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

A live one would be fun.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

A live one would be fun.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

But we'd have to do it somewhere weird. Okay, well or not weird, like a bar or something where people are just bugging us, you know?

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Like you want to somewhere where commotion.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

People stopping by, telling them they're heroes or dicks.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Oh, maybe we could do that. Get in line. What about a guest? Oh my god, we should be at the fair. Holy shit. And we could be like uh we will guess you if you are a hero or dick. I don't know. Give us three facts.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

We could do that anyway. If you want to give us three facts about yourself, we'll decide if you're a hero or dick.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Just three though. That's not nice. There's gotta be there's more to somebody than three good ones or three bad ones.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

You're a hero. But no, I'm saying we you gotta use a little of the intuitiveness.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Sure. The sixth sense, seventh sense. The sixth sense. So we focused a lot, I don't have we focused a lot on animals.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

We're birds. What the hell? I don't like birds. What the you like? I like chicken. I like potwey's fried chicken.

Goals For Season Four And Swag

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Yeah. I thought you said you're gonna stop eating fried chicken. No, you didn't say that. Last year though, we tried to say, or I tried to say I wasn't gonna eat as much meat.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

And did you?

SPEAKER_01 16:45

I didn't. Haven't been.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Oh, haven't been eating meat or haven't been saying it.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

No. No, haven't been eating as much red meat. Oh. It's weird though, because I don't even I don't know, sometimes I can't even look at it. Yeah, it's weird.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

I I know if you think about it a little too much, not even thinking about this with the cows. You know, I well, maybe that's when you gave up the the red meat.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

No, no, it's been happening for a while.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

But man, we had some good steaks lately.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

And if you have a good steak, yeah, oh yeah, when you get you gotta be in now, it's like I gotta be in the mood. And it sucked. I was in the mood the other night. I went to a restaurant. I probably I won't say the place because and um I was so looking forward to it, and I got a burger, uh, mushroom Swiss burger, and it was absolute dog shit. Oh actually, afterwards, did you throw a lot? No, but I was doing the other thing. Oh no, yeah, I had perhaps then for most of the night.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Oh, that's sad, especially when you now you're gonna associate that mushroom Swiss to being ill.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

No, I'll still do it.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

I don't I'm not like that. That's good anyway. That was a bummer because I was like, yeah, burger, burger. You know, I was going on with my boy and my wife because he's home. You know, he likes burgers and stuff, but he didn't get a burger. He looked for whatever was on the menu with the most calories. Because he's trying to bulk up or whatever, he's Mr. Weightlifter.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

That's like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

I told him, I'm like, dude, we I look at stuff and gain weight.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

All right. Everybody else has the opposite problem. Like he, you know.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

And this time of year, oh my god. All the cookies and candy.

Food Talk, Cookies, And Comforts

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Sugar cookies are my weakness. And my we I used to take the day off of work, and my friend Beth and I would make cookies and fudge all day. And so we were talking about, we're like, we're gonna do that. We're but we're gonna scale it down. So we got together Friday. Thank you to her mom, Barbara, for letting us use the kitchen. Uh, and we made sugar cookies and we made peanut butter kisses, which are the peanut butter cookies with the Hershey's Kiss in them on top, and fudge. And all turned out great. They're not beautiful. We're not on TV decorating them. If you want some beautiful cookie, don't come to me. If you want one that tastes good, we those sugar cookies are so good, just lather on that frosting. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So I keep them in the garage. So I don't eat them. That's smart. I gave some away too. You didn't get any, sorry. That's all right. You get the collated cream fudge. I did not make collated cream fudge, but the fudge we make has that fluff in it. You know, of this jars of fluff, it's called marshmallow fluff.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Okay. You put it in the floor.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

It's a weird, weird thing. Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Um, my beautiful wife, Brooke, have you met her? Okay. She uh makes this thing uh the last couple of years and she made it last night. And it's basically the mini marshmallows. But you melt them and then put some other stuff in it and it hardens and it's like a nougat almost, but it's marshmallow. And she got tropical Swedish fish and chopped them up and put them in them. God damn it, that's so good. It's so bad, but it's so good.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Well, marshmallows aren't they're sugar, but they're basically calorie-free. They're not really heavy. Um, those Swedish fish, those aren't horrible. I don't know what else is in it.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

I don't either. Why don't ask questions? I know it's delicious.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Uh two blocks of butter. That's it. Well, then we we kind of broke into the barber's butter too, so we were a little over that. But for the cookies, the fudge, and uh for the cookies, yeah. That's fine. That's what I thought. That was not bad. Two pounds of butter.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Well, yeah, it's hard. Like you walk through the store and everything looks better because they just throw some Christmas packaging on it. Little happy Christmas trees.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Damn it. Oh, those are good. Just waxy. Those are really good things. There's a new kind of them though. Stick with the the traditional, I say. It's like a hmm, I can know, I can't remember. Was it chewy?

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Chewy.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

I can't remember, but stick to the traditional is my suggestion.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

But yeah, we'll probably talk about more food then.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Oh, food, food, food. Yeah. Why wouldn't we?

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Damn fools if we didn't.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Everybody eats food. Pickles was a big uh episode for us.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

It was a big one. Huge.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

I it is. I know.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

I know.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Surprisingly, maybe it's because and I like these that when we take a pole. Well, you do it. When I take a poll. And so I don't know anybody like. But people are passionate about pickles. Passionate. You know what? They don't like sweet pickles.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Most people say that.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

They like dill pickles. Uh, I like sweet pickles, so whatever. But um, I like dill too. But yeah, I like a sweet pickle.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

What was your uh favorite episode?

SPEAKER_00 22:14

My favorite episode. Well, I like talking about Pee-Wee Herman because I really love that guy. I really do love him. And late night talk show host because it it branched into free speech and etc.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

That was our longest episode, 50 minutes long.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Well, there's a lot to say about that.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Our shortest one, I think, was probably Stephen Hawking. No, I think it was Joaquin.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Oh, yeah, that's okay. Game shows I had fun with.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

I like that one.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Again, take a poll and it's fun. So maybe we'll try to do that. Take more polls.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

I have a hard time with the old folks.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

What old folks?

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Like George, Washington. Well, um but maybe it's because I'm not presenting the material in an engaging way. Oh.

Pickles, Polls, And Fan Passions

SPEAKER_00 22:59

Well, I think it's important to look at people who are considered heroic. And if you watched uh anything about the Revolutionary War era, specifically that Ken Burns document that was just out recently, you will find out that not everybody who was a founding father of our country was oh god, no.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Was most of them probably yeah, most probably weren't.

unknown 23:27

No.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

They were they were all for freedom as long as it was for them.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Right. Their country.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Maybe not for everybody. Right. Yes, for everybody, but yeah, you. Not you, people of color, not you women. No. No.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Definitely not women.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

No.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

I don't get it. Women to me probably have had it the worst. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, Asian, you're a woman. You're kind of fucked.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

I was telling Brooke that the other day. I'm like, I don't get it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

And yet we're running behind the scenes. You look at Martha Washington or any one of those women. Uh Abigail Adams, in the um, in that recent um 10 Burns uh documentary, and they had a bunch of letters that she wrote, and she was kind of like, hey, yeah, you should really do this. You should really think about this. Oh yeah. And then they claim it as their idea. Well, that happens everyone. Not just to women, but to everybody, but to women.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

True.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

Probably more.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Well, you think about some of these Yahoo's, not Yahoos, but the influence that their spouses or mothers or whomever had on the people like um Ozzie, Sharon Osborne. If it wasn't for her, he wouldn't have had a long career.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

We would he'd be dead long ago if it wasn't for Sharon. Um there's gotta be some other Dan the Aykroyd, he's got Donna Dixon.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Donna Dixon.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

Cows probably got someone sitting at home for them. Cows versus bulls.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Cows. They have like four stomachs, right? Didn't we go through that?

SPEAKER_00 25:09

I think they have a lot of stomachs. I just remember they are delicious. How about Urban Legends? What was that? Did you like that one?

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Yeah, I kind of like that one.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Oh, I was just looking at there's we did a share episode the year before and I said.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

Oh shit. Here you go. I didn't watch it, did you?

SPEAKER_00 25:29

I did watch it. She lip synced.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

What?

SPEAKER_00 25:32

But I'm gonna say it's okay, Cher, because you're 79 years old.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Is she 79?

SPEAKER_00 25:38

You still look super great, super hot. She looked fabulous. If anybody can lip sync it, because I know she can sing it. Right. But I also know it's 11:30, 12 o'clock on Saturday night. She's 79 years old. Does she need to be open?

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Nothing good happens after dark, Kate.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Oh, I thought it was after midnight.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

That too.

Future Topics And Live Ideas

SPEAKER_00 25:58

Or sometimes they say after two. Yeah. If that's when the bar closes. Oh god. Uh, I did like uh the uh going back to favorite episodes. I like urban legends too, because I like urban legends.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

That was fun. A little research on some weird things. I don't know. I think we've done a pretty good job.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

I think so. We have uh a lot in the queue getting ready to do that.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

Yeah, what are some of those again?

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Oh, I know I gotta find it.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

It's all right. There we could do them on anybody.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Or anything.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

I would like to do the Vanderbilts.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Very interesting family. Um yeah. Very interesting. They have that Biltmore place too.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Yeah, you were there. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

I was.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

That's not the place where you got to the argument, though. Where was the one with the guy and the the kid on the on the uh log or whatever?

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Oh, that was on Driftwood Beach in uh seeing not St. Simon's Island, but the island like Georgia where the big sign says, please do not remove any of our driftwood. It's a protected area. It's like they film movies there. Did you ever watch what's the zombie one that was so popular? The Walking Dead. They filmed the beach scene there, like that was the scene. The huge sign. Yeah, huge sign. And there's a guy with his two 10-year-old daughter, or 10 and 12, maybe, jumping on that line. Beth is the one who said, Hey, knock that off. Yeah. We'll see. I don't know. Hopefully, his kids listen to us. Uh I know he wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

You probably scarred the kids. They are good.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

I hope I scarred them enough that they are like, we're we shouldn't take this driftwood off this beach.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Because that lady will come back and kick our ass and it will be there to preserve her future.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

Think, people.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

It's not done anymore. It's just not done. I don't know where my list is.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

You've got so many notes, it's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

I'll leave these to you. You can publish them.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Here's the pickled pickled flavored things. Remember that?

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Pickled flavored things.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Chips, pickled chips.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Wasn't that part of pickles?

SPEAKER_00 28:22

Yeah, right there. Goldfish. Everything it has a pickled flavor.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Pickled chapstick.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

Yeah. Uh yes. Mayo. Beef turkey. Who wants pickled beef jerky?

SPEAKER_01 28:35

That might be good. Pickled bologna's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Pickled eggs. Pickled eggs.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Cocaine bear. I like that.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

Cocaine bear.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

That was just uh that was one of our factors.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

I tried watching it.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

It's not couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

I'll have to try it again.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

It's on streaming.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

It's everywhere. It's on Prime.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Was that on Prime? I think you gotta buy it.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

I don't know. It might be free for Prime members. Aren't you a Prime member? I am. Of course you are.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

Oh, we started the year with the Super Bowl.

Local Life, Crowds, And Candy

SPEAKER_01 29:07

Oh boy. Lions aren't gonna go to this one. Again. I tell you, it's the game before that. They gave a guy a touchdown for the Rams that shouldn't have got it. I mean that debacle yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

That was weird.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

Are you going to the Super Bowl this year?

SPEAKER_00 29:24

No, not this year.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

No. Bet you that's expensive.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

No, if I would ever want to go to the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

No.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

It seems like there's too many people there and too much going on.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

Kate, I went into North Candy Country and Gifts yesterday with the biggest.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

And that was too many people.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

There was eight people, and I looked and I said, We're not going in here. She's like, What? I said, No, I'm not going in. I was like, not knocking that place. I love that place. But I went to the house.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

Did you go back?

unknown 29:51

No.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

No, I did not. I'll go back someday. I like going in there. They do a nice little pour-over coffee there.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Yeah. And then uh obviously there's some sweets in there. Uh have you been to the the place downtown? The candy place?

SPEAKER_00 30:06

No.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

That's pretty cool. They got like the old school stuff in there.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

I mean, that looks like it's you know, it's not good.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Could you buy some stuff?

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

They were given out at my credit union.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Smarties.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

I know.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Pure sugar.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

I love them.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

I like smarties, you know. You can get the sour smarties. Um, what do you got there? Uh our list?

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Oh, this was from season two.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Oh my god, season two. That's so long ago.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

It is.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

So how many years has this been?

SPEAKER_00 30:35

Three.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

So the season matches the years. Okay. All right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Well, if I don't, I mean. Okay. Well, if you want to be a guest on our show.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Yeah. And we we probably we probably won't pass judgment on the person, correct? Uh we'll let the the listeners, based on what they say, decide.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

What's the name of our show?

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Yeah, hero or dick.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

I think that's that's the only judgment we'll get.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Maybe we should get like the mayor on here or something.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

Who is the mayor?

SPEAKER_01 31:13

I don't even know. Isn't Cindy Johnson? Is she still the mayor? Wasn't she filling in?

SPEAKER_00 31:18

I thought she was mayor of Pro Tune, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

But I I don't live in the city. You should run for mayor. I don't live in the city, so I can't run or vote for the mayor. You can. You live in the city.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Yeah. All right, let's interview someone else then.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Yes, and we need so what's the email address if people have ideas?

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Aeroordic 2023, which was our founding year, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Founding year, yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

At gmail.com. And once we get into the swag business, we might actually have an email that's not at gmail.com. You should watch.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

Really? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

I thought I was gonna put up a website. I haven't done anything.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

No.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

We could have a website hosted on things.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Do we have a sub stack?

SPEAKER_01 32:04

We could sell stuff there. No, no sub stack. Excuse me. Well, I don't have anything else, Kate.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

That's all I got.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

It's a pretty lame episode.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

It is a lame episode.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

I don't know how many downloads this bitch is gonna get.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Sorry, everybody. It's our recap.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

It is the uh it is the editing.

Guests, Email, And Community

SPEAKER_00 32:24

And see what we've done and what we can do better, please email us. Or what you like, please email us. I'll tell you, I do like the um the poll, like when you ask everybody what they think. What's your favorite game show? What's your favorite pickle? What's your favorite room in the house? That was kind of fun.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

That was fun. Yeah, that was different.

SPEAKER_00 32:47

I didn't think it would, I thought everybody liked being at their house, but you know what? Everybody doesn't like being at their house.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Especially some rooms, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:57

Right. They're scary or they're messy or they're they don't want to look at it. Whatever, yeah. Please tell us that. Oh, emo, that was an idea that Harley had. Emo emo music or culture.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Yeah, I guess I'd be interested to do that one because uh I I don't get it. I mean, I get the music because people say it's em emo.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

Maybe you would get it if we researched it and found out about it. That might be our hot, hot one for 2026.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

Could be the first one we do. Hey, look at there's a fucking elf walking down the road. No shit. Yeah, look. Oh, you missed.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Oh yeah. She doesn't have the shoes, the pointy shoes.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

She's got the green coat and the hat, though.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Are they really? I don't know. I can't tell.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Super cool. Who died?

SPEAKER_00 33:51

I hope it wasn't Santa.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

I watched that last night.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

That Santa died?

SPEAKER_01 33:55

Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

We watched Santa, the Heist Before Christmas.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Is that a Hallmark movie?

SPEAKER_00 34:02

No, it's uh from I thought it was from the UK, but it turned out it was from Ireland, and it was uh a kind of cute show. Yeah, it was because it was different too. So it was I liked it. The Heist Before Christmas, I believe it was on Amazon Prime, but I don't know. Netflix, one of those.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

See, I gotta load up one tonight. No, actually, tonight I want to watch the John Ellway documentary with Julian. Uh-oh. A new release on Netflix. One of my favorite quarterbacks of football players of all time. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

And then um last new doc coming out on some oh, we did, didn't we cover Chevy Chase?

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

New documentary out about him coming this token. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Maybe it'll revive his movie watched.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

I love his movies. I just don't love him. So we'll maybe watch the doc and see why I don't love him.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

We have uh community or we have the Hulu now. We we can YouTube TV and we have Hulu and community's on there. I'm gonna start watching that again. That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

That one is I did like that. That one in Parks and Rock is still funny too.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

I think we've been watching Raising Hope again. Oh, that's so funny. Shit.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

That one is really funny. Cloris Leechman's a grandma.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Yeah, yeah, she's great.

Culture, TV Rewatches, And Docs

SPEAKER_00 35:19

That is old too, but it it was it was funny. Some of them don't hold up, some of them do.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

Yeah. Yeah, there was the one that had some Osama bin Laden stuff on it, like jokes or whatever. Yeah, I'm just like, huh.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

That's weird. Remember that? They were dunking someone's head in the toilet and they stuck Osama bin Laden's head on there. Like it was weird. Must have been happening during the hole, whatever. That's too bad. Weird. But he would have been uh a dick.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Uh uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

So that would have been we could have done that. That would have been gonna be a good one. That was an easy one though.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

It's like, okay, today our topic is. Yeah, yeah, he's a dick.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

See you, ladies and gentlemen. But no, uh I I appreciate your efforts, Kate. You're always on eye. I look forward to doing this.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

So we're happy to have any listeners, but we're also happy if we don't, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

That's what people don't get. Yeah. And I think it's good for us to get together and BS and do this. So it's been fun.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Three seasons going into season four. All right, and listener. Yeah, you we promise to try to do better.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

Yeah, we will.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

We will. We will.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Well, everybody, enjoy your holiday. Have a happy holiday if you're having a holiday.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Have a you know, good Wednesday or whatever. Oh, is it so hard?

SPEAKER_01 36:39

It's hard to be, it's getting harder to be. Don't say yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Like I do.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

There's too much, there's a lot of just listen to people a lot.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Or just telling you too much information. You just nod and say, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Now I'm gonna tell everyone a big secret that some of my closest friends know, but um sometimes on certain days, when I say Merry Christmas, uh-huh, I really mean fuck you. Oh no. So that's why I don't really say Merry Christmas uh very often. Um, I like the happy holidays instead. But if I say Merry Christmas, it doesn't mean that.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Oh no, everybody be careful.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

All right, Merry Christmas, everyone. Oh no, bye bye.