Hero or Dick - S4., Ep. 4 - The Chimp Whisperer, Jane Goodall

Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick! In this one, we talk about Jane Goodall, the outsider who changed how we see animals and, whether we like it or not, ourselves.

Chimps don’t just climb and stare. They make tools, hunt, form alliances, and sometimes go to war. 

If you care about animals, climate, or how science actually works, this one’s for you.

Thanks for listening!

~ Kate & KJ

Transcript

Season Welcome And Memory Fog

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Hello?

SPEAKER_00 0:04

There we are. Welcome to season four, episode four.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Wow.

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And it's March 25th.

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In the name of our podcast Hero or Dick. That's it. Yeah. Good job. I like how you hesitated. Like, I don't know how it's been so long.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

You don't you wouldn't know this, but getting older, I tell you.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Oh, I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

That's not for me. It messes with the memory. Like it's been rough the last.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Even on the best of circumstances. And I heard somebody explain it this way, and this is how I like to remember it. Because we've gone through so much, and your mount your brain has absorbed so much, that's why you can't remember everything. Because you've been here a while. We've both been here over 50 years on the planet Earth, and that's a lot of info. That's a lot of info.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Well, it's like an old computer when you gotta do the disks defrag on it. But we can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

You can't do that. I don't even think you can do it on a computer anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Yeah.

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Okay.

Land Rover Failure And Modern Car Tech

SPEAKER_00 1:03

I think so. It does it automatically. I don't know. I do know that. Um for shit's sake. Hold on a second. Hold on. It's there, it's there, it's there. We were talking about memory. Memory computers. Oh shit. So as you notice, I drove my wife's beater today.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

It's not a beater.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

And uh and uh because mine, uh oh you know, good old Land Rovers have problems, but uh the DC or a V8, a 48 volt, it's a mild hybrid, and so there's a DC converter and it converts the power from 48 volt to 12 volt.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Well, it went out on mine after I went all the way down, took a drive down to see Julian, and then I went down to the dealership. I actually looked at a different one down there, but I was getting the um my key fob reprogrammed because they had to do it at the dealership. It's a whole big deal of software. It's a whole little bit. So they do this whole thing, and the next day I drive home, automobiles fine. I get up in the morning to go to work, stop to go to Cabin Creek. Shout out to Cabin Creek, I love you. And um all of a sudden I get this charging fault message, and yeah, and it starts dying. I'm like, what the? So I take it home, I start doing my own research because they're not helpful, and um it is an issue with about 30,000 Jaguar Land Rover vehicles, and they're not doing the recall.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

No, 30, that's nothing.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Yeah, but pisses me off.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

It does. I know we have uh um a Subaru right now that we're dealing with. Uh so it keeps if if you have there, they don't have OnStar, but they have something like OnStar, I can't think of the name of it. And if you don't use your vehicle for a while, it keeps trying to connect to that on whatever OnStar is, and it keeps trying to do it, trying to do it, trying to do it. Well, it drains your battery. So if you don't use that every day, go out and start your car, which we had in the bed.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Your battery's not charging.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

The battery is not charging, and it's a it's a it is not uh it's a recall, but not uh not a recall, like you have to put it in.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Oh, it's a service, it's a yeah. Are they actually gonna cover it?

SPEAKER_01 3:18

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Oh, okay. So it's a technical service bulletin that's yeah, that's what mine is too.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Yes, I mean the more cars can do, the more that can go wrong. And I think that we just proved it in two ways on two different yeah, two totally different vehicles. And I know it's kept this way I give a shout out to GMC and buying a vehicle that services that you live near where it services, because if you don't have a Land Rover representative here, you're kind of fucked.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

No. Well, and the thing is though, I figured it out myself because I was waiting for help. But I'm like, I actually learned how to tick apart my 48-volt system in the back, get it disconnected, take a part out.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

I'm good for you, I'm very proud of you, but I don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

I know, I understand. Most people don't. No, but that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

I want someone to do that.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Herein lies the issue, and I'm not capping up because actually these new defenders have been really reliable compared to in the past, the Land Rovers, but that's how much I really like this vehicle. Like, if this had happened on another vehicle in the past, I would have been like, I'm done. Done. Take the fucking thing I don't want.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

I do like the Land Rovers, they just look so nice, and I know they're a easy, nice ride.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Yeah, but that wasn't even what I was talking about. What I was gonna say is I spent all week trying to figure that out, and so I wasn't writing. So in my spare time, I'm trying to figure this car thing out. Because I didn't write and I was focused on that, my brain got into this fog that was like unbelievable to get out of. And I it it was hard to write when I started getting back to it the other day. And but now I'm starting to run on most of my cylinders.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

So, do you feel like you could write a car manual?

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Like a I could write one on how to deactivate the system, take it out.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

So if anybody's listening that needs to know that, just get a hold of AJ.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Yeah, just first. And I actually found a guy online that's actually uh reprogramming and fixing my unit so I don't have to get one from the dealer. Oh, so we'll see how that turns out. Could just scan me out of money, who knows? But I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

It's a gamble, it's a crazy.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

But uh that's not why we're here.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

No, we're here to talk about first of all. Oh, well, yeah, I did go on a trip. That's why we've been gone so long. I got we went to Puerto Rico for 22 days.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

I didn't go.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Uh no, we meaning m my family. Yep. It was fun. Yeah. We had a great time. We um uh we we were ahead of the airport trouble, so that was great too. I mean, we came home and we we did come home to an ice storm and lost power for three days. That wasn't cool, but you know what? I'd rather lose power for three days than be in the airport for four hours in the TSA line and then Well, the ice line, you mean? The ice line, yeah. See?

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Good thing they're bringing them in to help.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

And they're getting paid, and the TSA workers aren't. And I just think that's a big fuck you in the face that the ice workers are there just walking around, danking around and uh not doing anything really.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

And I highly doubt they're really there to there's something else going on. Yeah, but that's me.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

So and then TSA workers aren't even getting paid, so that's bullshit. And I don't think Congress should go on their Easter break until they take care of it. And I also don't think they should get paid if the government's on shutdown. There, I've said my political nest for the day.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

There's more to say, but we won't.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

I'm not going into it any more than I just it'll it'll fog your brain. Uh you're so mad. It gets me all riled up. So anyway, we were ahead of that. Uh we had no problems with flights uh at all, actually. And uh we had a lovely time. We rented a car and went around the island. We stayed at five different um five different five different VRBOs and we stayed at a hotel once too.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Um you were there for three weeks?

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Just over three weeks, yeah. Yeah. So we stayed um on the east side for three days, and then we went down to the south part of the island and stayed for about five days, and then we went to the west side of the island on the Caribbean side. It was beautiful. That's where the big house was, and we stayed there for two weeks and kids came and went. Nice, and um, there was room for everybody. It was right on the ocean, it was beautiful. We loved that house. That house was uh I told the people that we rented from, I said, your house is the only one that is as pictured. Everybody else has beautiful pictures, and then it's like something was janky about it, you know. Lovely places, all of them were great. Um, and they were all on the on the ocean, so that was good too. And then the last four days we went and stayed at a place called Shack's Beach, which when I was a kid and lived on the Air Force base, we rented an actual shack on this beach, and that's where we'd go and spend our leisure time. Go to the beach, hang out at the shack. My parents would party. I was only in grade school, I was not a partier yet. And um, so we would, you know, kids have free rain though, you know, when parents are having fun. And um, yeah, so we got to stay. Shack's beach has no more shacks left. They're all million-dollar houses, they're beautiful. And we rented this great spot um uh that had, it was actually four separate apartments, and they usually rent out all four at once to groups, but nobody else had rented the three other ones, so we had the place to ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Oh, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

And it had a pool, and I had a huge deck overlooking the beach, and there's a reef right there where you can snorkel, and we snorkeled, and there was turtles, and it was just you're living the life. It was great. I would go back there to that one in the big house in the car beach. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Did you ever move back there?

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Uh no, not full time. No, but I would live there for a few months a year.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Have a summer home.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yeah, yeah. It's a different um driving there is kind of challenging. It's it's kind of aggressive, I'd say, but but it's the nudge system. So you just nudge out there and somebody will let you in. That's how they do it.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

No lights or anything?

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Uh not a lot of blinkers going on, if that's what you do.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

What about traffic lights?

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Uh oh, yeah, there's traffic lights sometimes. But like when there's a lot of nudging.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

And it is really difficult to park there, too. There's never a parking place. So that wasn't nuts about that. But other than that, I can't say enough nice things about Puerto Rico. Every single person was nice and welcoming, except one guy on the beach. Fuck you, guy. Yeah. After I told Cassidy, everybody's so nice here. And there's this guy walking on the beach. I'm all, oh hey, good morning, hola, you know, and he's like, get out of here, tourists. But there was only one guy out of, you know, probably hundreds, let's say. There were so many nice. Pretty good ratio. Yeah, it is a nice ratio. There's an asshole everywhere. Right. They're not just one on the beach, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

No. Getting easier and easier to find them, too.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Is it sometimes I feel like I'm a magnet for them, but um, not this time. Well, you're I mean, we met so many nice people uh on the same beach. I also met another couple who were from the area, invited me up to their house, and I went up to their house, and I was like, I don't even have my phone with me. Yeah, what do you think? I don't know. Like, you know, from my family.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

These are just random people. Yeah, and you just went with them.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

Lucy and uh Miguel, yeah. Lucy took me, she wanted to show me her house. It was so cute. It was a older. She was about my age. I mean, she wasn't I should not feel threatened by her until I walked away. And I'm like, I guess I maybe I should carry my phone with me at least. But I was on the beach. I don't want my phone. You don't want it, yeah. No. So lovely time in Puerto Rico. Highly recommend it to everyone. Don't need a passport to get there if you're in the US, if you're a U.S. citizen, that is always helpful.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Just don't fly out of ATL right now.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

No, don't fly right now. And it does help to know a bit of Spanish because I don't know much. I mean, I can understand people talking to me. I can't speak Spanish back to them. And so uh the further away from San Juan that you get, uh the more you need it. And all the signs are in Spanish.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

No kidding. Well, I guess it would be. Why wouldn't it be?

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Well, yeah, why wouldn't they? And most everybody speaks Spanish and English. We did meet a couple people who didn't, but we worked around it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

Very good.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Well, welcome back.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

We were here with the ice storm.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Well, I was here for the ice storm too. We had to do that.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Yeah, but we didn't have a nice vacation to not, you know.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Yeah. We did miss a little bit of snow. I mean, how could you not in three weeks this winter? Um, and then we yeah, we were out of power for three days. Two days are fine, we decided. I decided. And that third day, you're like, eh, you know what? I'm tired of living like a pioneer. I don't want to go get wood. I want to put something in the microwave to eat it up.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

There's people that were out for a while. Yeah. Even just here in town, we had power. We lost it for like an hour. But and that was like once things have been going away. I think they just shut it down to get things going because then right across the road, people didn't have it. People behind us didn't have it. I was like, uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

I know my brother right down the street from you, he had it the whole time because they're like, come over and take a shower. We're gonna we got power, you can come and stay here. And we just cranked up the fireplace. We have a gas stove too, so we made everything on the stovetop stovetop nachos. It's a thing, and we were fine. Yeah, we read three books. One I'm just gonna give a shout out to. One is by Michael Fenwon. Fenwin? F-A-N-O-N-E. And he is the DC police officer that was at one of the many that was at January 6th.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

What happened then?

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Kidding.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

Not anything good. So he tells his story, and it that was a great book. And I also read uh Danny Trijo's book. Oh he's a cool guy, too. He's got a great story.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

He's an interesting character.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

He is a very interesting character.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

And the same character in most movies.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

He's usually, yeah, uh you know, prison prisoner number one or something. But he was in um But he's also in badass. Yeah. Badass two and three. And um Mashete.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

What was that one with um the Tarantino guy did there? From Dusk Till Dawn.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

That was a weird one. That was a weird one. Started off normal, and all of a sudden everybody's a fanbone.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

That Rodriguez, too. He does uh he did Well Spy Kids, which is Danny Triho was in that one too. Great book. Hello. Good job, Danny.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

Good job, Danny. He'll probably come on.

Women’s History Month Picks A Hero

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Probably. He probably would, actually. He's a he seems like a nice guy. So, but this month is Women's History Month.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Did you know that? Uh, you told me.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

I would have seen it on LinkedIn or something.

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And so our uh topic for today is a very famous woman.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Miss Piggy.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Oh, we should have done that.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

We can do Muppets. But speaking of animals, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Jane. Jane Goodall is our topic today.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Jane.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

She's definitely here. No. But she was she lived to be 91 years old. That's an accomplishment right there.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

It is. It is. And she lived with chips. She did. And she did all this, a lot of this before she even had a degree. She was inexperienced. But the guy that was funding the project liked that because she wasn't influenced by education or uh educators, we should say. But you know what got her started?

SPEAKER_01 15:41

What got her started?

SPEAKER_00 15:42

The little stuffed monkey that her mom got her when she was a little kid.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

See how mom's had influence?

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Its name was Jubilee.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

She took it everywhere. She actually had it all the way up till when she passed. Oh I'm getting teary-eyed thinking of that. Wasn't that sad? That or the auction that suck her off. She probably was monkey money, chimpanzee money, whatever. Being disrespectful to the chips.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

But they and the uh for Women's History Month, the 2026 theme is sustainability globally, including climate change, uh, economic insecurity, and healthcare, which Jane Goodall was all about. All of that. Yeah. She was born in 1934. And she just died in 25.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

What was her full name?

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Valerie. Jane.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Valerie Jane.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Valerie. Valerie Jane Morris Goodall.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Wow. That's a lot. She where was she born?

SPEAKER_00 16:44

London.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

In London?

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Your favorite place.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

I do love London. She did six decades of field research. That's a lot. That's a long time. She really seemed to enjoy it. She well, I don't think you can do six decades in that at all. Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

I guess. But that's different. I mean, how amazing that sh go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Well, her most famous uh discovery was in uh 1960, and that was that chimpanzees used tools.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

What were they doing?

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Well, they were trying to get ants out of an anthill, and they got a stick. Did they let it down or something? And they put the twig in the anthole and then ate it like a kebab.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

I mean, you can't tell me we're not related to them.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

No. They're probably smarter.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. She was an enthanologist, which is the scientific study of animal behavior. She was also a primatologist, a study of behavior for of non-human prime primates, and anthropologists study aspects of humans past and present in society. And she didn't, I think later she got formal formally educated.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Cambridge or something?

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Somewhere. Because she went out in the field, like you said, for a while, quite a while.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

And then two, um, she said that the chimpanzee thing, she would have studied anything. That's she just loved all animals. But this opportunity came along. She got to go to Kenya, and so they had the funding.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

In 1957, she went to Kenya. Yeah, it was pretty cool, though, that she met the famous paleont paleanthropologist. How'd you like to rate that on your taxes? Blue.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

That's what it was, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

He hired he's the guy who hired her as a secretary and then later as a research assistant. I did uh find out too when she was a child, she was inspired by books. Remember books?

SPEAKER_00 18:54

I do.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

I like them.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

She used to sit in a tree by their property. And what was she reading? The jungle book.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Tarzan.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Yes. And what's the other big one? I mean, as soon as I'll say as well Charlotte's Webb.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

No, I don't know what that's. I don't think that was written yet. It wasn't. No. Dr. Doolittle. Oh, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Yeah. And she worked as a secretary and a waitress to save money so she could travel to Africa because she couldn't afford university.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

Yep. And then one of her friends were was over there and said, Hey, yo, come on.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Come on. I'm here. Come out. Come over here. So she did. And uh what's the Gombi stream that's known as? Gombe stream. Gombe, Gombe.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

And Tanzania. Tanzania. Yeah. Tanzania. Tanzania. That place, too.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

That's where she began her field study of the wild chimpanzees.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

It was the longest continuous study.

Tool Use And Chimp Social Life

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Yes. And she was only going to stay for a few months, but it became the longest running study of its kind. I looked it up. It's not even ended yet. It's still ongoing. I mean, she's not there, but probably not. Somebody's doing it.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Probably one of the chimps. Maybe that Greybeard. David Greybeard. That was one of the chimps.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

That's when she observed David Greybeard using a making tool. Oh, he was extracting termites, not ants.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Aphids. They're aphids, aren't they? Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Isn't it termites, ants?

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Whatever they are. Same thing. They're running the world, ants and fish.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Oh, ants are. Yeah, we should do one show on ants. Because I'm pretty sure they're all going to carry us away one day.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

We deserve it.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Where are they taking us?

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We don't know.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Underground.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

But um how um oh it's called ethnocentric of us, right? To believe that animals wouldn't use tools. Just to and from day one, how could you even think that?

SPEAKER_01 20:51

That's how narrow-minded.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Yeah. Because I think humans, we think we're the smartest in FYI. We aren't. No, I'm not close. No.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

But anyway, um, in addition to um the tool usage, she was one of the first people to find out that guess what? Chimps are carnivores. And they're violent.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

They protect their territory, they'll kill each other, and they will eat each other. That's how she said they acted like gangs, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Um, so that's pretty fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

I'm picturing like the the uh the jets and the whatever from um West Side Story, the chimps.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Maybe a little more violent than that. I'm glad that's the way you're picturing it.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

So she uh, like we stated, she did not have an undergraduate degree, but she was accepted into a PhD program at Cambridge. See, totally in you know, in the mid-60s, after she had already been uh in the field for a while. And that's how she got her ophthalmology. Is that a word? Is that the word?

SPEAKER_00 22:01

I don't know. Sounds right to me.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Okay. Oh, okay. So in the 60s, chimps are omnivores, omnivores. They ate bushpigs too.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

I mean pork. It's kind of delicious.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

It is. Um I made pork chops last night.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

We had pork chops uh two nights ago from Zingerman's. Thanks, Doug and Cassidy. Where's Zingerman's? It's in Ann Arbor. And they're a great place to go. You need to go to Zingerman's. Okay. Oddly enough, though, they are Jewish owned. And uh yeah, but they have uh a restaurant and they have a full like butchery and they have a bakery and they have a creamery. So they have a source where they get pork chops. And Doug got some extra pork chops and shared them with us, and they were delicious.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Delicious.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

So chimps would have loved them, yeah. And also that they have, she also discovered they have distinct personalities and engage in complex social behavior, including warfare with rival groups, gangs, and also the mother-infant bond, very similar to most humans, not every mother and kid bond.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

And how the uh males had nothing to do with rearing the children once they just come and go as they please, and kind of like not now.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Like it was in the 60s, so yeah, and probably not even invited in the uh, yeah, they're not even invited. Human ones weren't even invited in the delivery room at that time, you know.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Like they would have showed anyway.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

You were there, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:47

When?

SPEAKER_01 23:48

In the delivery room?

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Yeah, I was there. It was wild.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

I think now it's expected.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

I mean, I was right there. I was like, Yeah, right in the looking right in the right in there. Yeah, in that little head coming out.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

And yeah, it's the whole thing is I mean it is a miracle when you think about it.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Why is this lady coming in?

SPEAKER_01 24:05

It's also kind of freaky.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

I saw her in the she's walking.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Okay, keep walking, lady.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Maybe that's our guest.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

It's not Jane Goodown. No, she's going to the counseling place next door. Uh huh. I shouldn't laugh. No, is that what's next door? I don't know. I thought so.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

We should have a counseling place. We can counsel like right here.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Call us. Call us, we'll counsel you.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

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SPEAKER_01 24:31

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SPEAKER_00 24:33

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SPEAKER_01 24:34

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SPEAKER_00 24:45

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SPEAKER_01 24:47

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SPEAKER_00 24:52

You know, we had 55 downloads last week.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

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SPEAKER_00 24:56

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SPEAKER_01 25:00

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SPEAKER_00 25:05

Oh, that's all right. Yeah, you can get a free Pixel. Brand new, 2,000 bucks. Really?

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Brand new?

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Well, yeah, Verizon, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just a lot of, hey, buy this Pixel.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Anyway.

From Research To Conservation Activism

SPEAKER_01 25:20

All right. Jane Goodall, though. Mother and Infant Bonds. She discovered that they had that going on. And then in the 70s, I think in 77, she established the Jane Goodall Institute to support the Gombi. Am I saying that right? Yeah, it's perfect.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Research and expand converse uh not conversation, but conservation efforts globally. And that is still an ongoing thing, too. And in 86, she had a pivotal conference and it shifted her focus from scientific research to urgent conservation activism after seeing the widespread deforestation and poor conditions of captive chimps. You know, so there's all the chimps that are you know used for research.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Yep. She helped put an end to a lot of that.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah. I don't know. Do they still use chimps?

SPEAKER_00 26:24

No, I don't think they do. Well, they might.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

I don't know. No.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Government can do whatever they want.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

They really can.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

They are proving that.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

And they just say, no, we don't have them.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

She didn't like how elephants were in, she doesn't think any animal should be in a zoo, especially whales, elephants, chimps, you know, and um dolphins.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

You could really debate the zoo thing because I I agree. An elephant or uh any animal should be in its wild natural state. However, if we didn't have zoos, we would never get to see those animals. But how selfish is that?

SPEAKER_00 27:03

It's very selfish, too.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

I know. I have a private zoo.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

You probably do. Not really. I'll put it on your island.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Like Cassidy does. Um yeah, so zoos. Okay, can they be like um where they save rehab animals, yeah?

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Well, some animals get rescued, they can't go back some aren't back. They got three legs, they're gonna get, you know.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Or they they don't know because they haven't been raised that.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

I think her point was like the highly social animals that this is terrible for them.

unknown 27:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Now you're in the case.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Elephants that we're gonna cry. Elephants are closer to us than we think, too.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Yeah, they are.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

They have a good memory, though, I hear. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Better than us. We probably I think we just proved that. There was a little um controversy about her scientific methods because it was called um the banana controversy.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Oh because she would feed the bananas to the chimps all in one area, and so they think that affected some of their behavior. They acted differently when they also feed the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Like you're not supposed to be deer.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Right, because it changes how they act, not only uh what they're doing themselves to get the food, but interacting with other chimps. Um, and then it concentrated them artificially in areas where the spread disease, um, and you know, get that gang violence going.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

And I also hear tell that she had some plagiarism in her life.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

She did 2013.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Gosh, that lead.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

No, maybe that's when it came to light.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

I think if this is my take on her plagiarism. I think if you write enough papers, which I'm sure she has millions of pages of you know, papers and and and articles and findings and whatever, I think if you write that much, you're gonna plagiarize at some point, whether you mean to or not.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

It's so they said they investigated it, but passages were copied from websites, and she didn't attribute a lot of material to the other authors. Okay. But she said it was sloppy note-taking and her research assistants. She blamed it on them. Um but they did republish it with the corrections.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Yeah. So I don't really think I mean if that's a worse you did, Jane, you're you're fine. You're fine. Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

They'd lock her up and put her away though.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Probably. Any excuse.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Um what else did you have about her?

Roots And Shoots Youth Action

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Um, well, she founded Roots and Shoots, which is a global youth program.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

What does that do?

SPEAKER_01 29:53

It empowers young people to engage in community-based projects for animals, environment, and for the animal called people, also. And that's still ongoing. For example, they built and installed homes for bats, bees, and birds. And that's something anybody can do. And even if you live in a city, you can put up a bat house. We we had a couple bat houses. Um, we have bats at our old house, not not so much at the new one.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

We've got butter, the butterfly house is whatever they're called. And then we got the little bee thing.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

The we have the bee thing, but no bees moved in. They don't, they didn't like it.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Why I think that's a that's to trick us into buying it.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

I don't know. We made one. Oh. Well, it's a worse. And what we do more for butterflies is just leave the uh milkweed. So yeah, yeah. You know, it's a weed. We were always cutting it down, you know, not even cutting it down on purpose, but oh, it's in the way, it's in the path, cut it down. Now we just leave it, and oh my gosh, some years we have thousands of butterflies. Last year was not a good butterfly year. So I'm hoping this year they come back.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

While Brooke and uh Jovi, this is about five or more years ago, they would go around and get the cocoons, I guess, in the areas where they would cut by the river and bring them home and bring them home and bring them to life. That was pretty fascinating. That butterflies there.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Fascinating, yeah. Yeah, and that's how we came to know the milkweeds because our neighbor Stephanie uh was well they were picking some of them and they'd take them inside and make sure they were safe, and then when they released, they release them outside.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

Um how does that change things? Do you think that changes things?

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Like if you raise them in a little thing or I don't think so because I think as long as you put them outside right away.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

A lot of them die anyway. That's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

I mean, some of them are gonna die.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

That's that's you let it go and it immediately gets hit by a vehicle. In time we let one go and the dog ate it right away. So terrible. Devastating. Little Jovi's got it, and then jump away. Oh my god, are you kidding me right now?

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Yeah, anyways, Jovi didn't eat it. No, although that could happen too. But they do um, you know, good things like that. They visit the forest once a week. Um, in Redmond, Washington, the kids visit the forest once a week for a few months. So they know they get to know maybe they're city kids, but now they know the forest too. They help track orca whales, so that's roots and shoots. That does good. And she started that. That was until 1991. And in 2002, so still a good 25 years ago, UN Secretary uh General Coffee Annan named her as the UN Messenger of Peace. And we need her now.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Yeah. We really do. We really do. We need Superman. We need something.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Something. I don't know. Jane, if you can hear us.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

She's not gonna come back to this mess.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

No, she's probably not there with himself. She also has a Lego set. I think if you have a Lego set, I mean that's your goal in life.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

If you have a Lego set, that's bigger than a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

It's bigger than being president, it's bigger than being anything.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

If I get a Lego set, she married her first husband. We forgot to talk about that. That's her cameraman.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Oh, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Oh the guy that went with her over there. They hooked up after a couple of years or something. We're married for 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

And she married an old guy, and he kicked the bucket. They were together for like five years. But those were her.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

She has some kids too, doesn't she?

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

I I don't know. I didn't write it.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

She's got some grandkids too.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

Good. And hopefully they're carrying on her traditions.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Like that Erwin daughter.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Oh, yeah. The Irwin, both the kids are.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Yeah. That was too bad he died, but man, I can't believe he didn't die sooner, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

Yeah, no kidding. Grikey.

Favorite Chimp Moments And Final Verdict

SPEAKER_01 34:06

I mean, he put himself in a lot of very bad positions. So Jane.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

She said that uh I watched an interview she had probably seven years ago, and she was asked what was her favorite moment with the chimps. She said she had a lot, but one was that there was this mother that kept her different distance, and then she had a baby. And the baby started coming toward her, and it came toward her. And the mom had kept one hand on the chimp, and the little chimp reached out and touched her nose. And then another one was um she didn't say this, but I read a thing about I watched the video clip where there was this abused chimp that they released back in a while. It gave her a big hug. Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Yeah, I couldn't have done it without. I bet she was just crying her eyes out.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

Pretty good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Oh. So what say you about Jane?

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Um, she's a dick. She's a hero.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

She is a hero. Yeah, she had a little plagiarism.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

And I have hero points.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Okay. Prove us why.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

She revolu revolutionized primatology. She did. She changed views on animal intelligence. She really did. She created the longest running chip study in history. She was a global conservation leader.

SPEAKER_01 35:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

And she inspired generations of scientists, people.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

You know what else I want to say about her is I can't actually prove this because I don't personally know her, but I get the feeling she's not a big egomaniac.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

She wanted you to know this, but she wasn't like shoving it down your throat, and she wasn't um being, you know, rude about it.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

And I think part of that had to do with she got in it early before she was tainted by education. Because once you get, you know, in the educate, you can get that ego.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Snooty educated people.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

What do you think she is?

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Oh, I think she's a hero. Even though, like I said, the plagiarism, you know, it could happen to anybody. Like it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

We did it.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

We probably did it. Oh, yeah, I'm sure we did it every week. We do it if you really check us.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Well, we do it on purpose.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

But we're dicks.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Yeah, we are. We're not making money at it, so don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

I don't think she was out for the money of it. I don't want to either. She was truly wanting people to know this. And I think she got her point across too. By being um a quiet um person who just here here's what I'm doing, here's what you should know. You know, make your own decision. Yeah, she's a hero.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

Good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

Yeah, we like her. Okay, Jane.

Fast Five Unsung Women Heroes

SPEAKER_00 36:59

I have a fast five. Do you? It's not, I know. I can't believe it. It's not a good one, Kate. Oh, okay. But I at least try. And they're random things.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

There's nothing to do with Jane.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

I have a fast five.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

We'll do both.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Okay. So my good related. I'm gonna tell you right now, my fast five uh are little-known women because it's women's month and FYI, they're probably all heroes. So the first one is Ada Lovelace, and she's not a porn star. She was the first computer programmer. I do uh well, no, she was born in 1815 and she lived to 1852.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Because she recognized that computers could do more than calculate.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Wait a fucking second. Were computers around then? Well, not computers like today. Okay, but did they call them computers? No, probably not. She was okay, but I'll go for it, hero.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Uh huh. You were correct.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

How about Claudette Colvin? She's still alive.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

She did something with food.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

No, she resisted bus segregation before Rosa Park. Before Rosa. Why'd Rosa get them? Well, because they staged that so they would get the publicity. That was staged. Yeah. Read your history book. Well, not your history book. Read read some other history books. Okay. But yeah. Maudette Colvin.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

Hero.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Correct. Dr. Suzanne LaFleche.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Did she have something to do with food?

SPEAKER_01 38:42

Uh she no. She was born in 1865, lived till 1915, and she was the first Native American woman to earn a medical degree in the U.S.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Hero.

unknown 38:55

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

How about Janet Rankin? 1880 to 1973. She was the first woman elected to U.S. Congress in 1916 before women could even vote.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

That is amazing. Big hero. And the last one that I have, and I hope I say her name right, is Zing Shay Sa from uh 1775 to 1844. She was, you're never gonna guess it, so I'm gonna tell you. She's a Chinese pirate. Come on. Who commanded her own fleet, defying the Zing dynasty and eventually retiring with all her wealth. Are you serious?

SPEAKER_00 39:45

I am definitely, yeah, or a book or a movie. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

Well, there's probably a book. I mean, I read about her, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Hero.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

All heroes, all the time. I mean, a pirate can't be a hero all the time, but she could have been out raping and pillaging. She maybe she was raping and pillaging, but whatever.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

She did it from a as a woman. Yeah, she did. We need more women's serial killers and things.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Enough women's serial killers.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

You could do a show about that too. Yeah, that's um yeah, and um happy, happy Gilmore? No, no. Um women's month, I guess. Yeah, women's history month. That too. It's almost done now. Yeah, yeah, we have to have more, but um mine have nothing to do with women. All right, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

What do you got?

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Ready?

SPEAKER_01 40:35

You know what I want to say before you do your fast five? Yeah, what I was looking at something about um uh Drew Barrymore, and on her show, she has fast five questions.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Are you kidding?

SPEAKER_01 40:48

And I'm like, did she steal it from us? No, we stole it from her because she started in 2020 doing it. We stole it from the fruit. When did we start? 2016. No, we didn't.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

I think Drew would do the show.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Oh, yeah, she probably would. She's pretty cool. Yeah, she's got fast five questions. I'm like, what the hell, man?

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Drew, if you're listening, call us. No, email us. Email or dick2023 at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

We can share fast five questions.

Underwear, Horseshoes, And Seinfeld Morals

SPEAKER_00 41:18

We could. Speaking of Drew Barrymore. Okay, underwear.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

Underwear. I I say hero if it's clean. Depends on the type, right? Uh yeah, no thongs for me.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Thanks. Me either. No. The older I get, too, it's you gotta go with like the whitey tighties. Oh, I or like the boxer briefs, I guess. Boxers, no way. No, that's a danger, man. Just letting things just on there.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

Commando. Okay. That's a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

I'll say, yeah, okay. Uh horseshoes.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Well, for horses, they're probably good.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

How about the game?

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Oh, the game of horseshoes. Uh I don't know. Sometimes it can be a little dangerous. You're standing near there and there's a wild thrower.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

They can go flying, they can roll. There's flip.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

People die.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

One time I was throwing horseshoes. I was a kid at the Mayo Expo. You remember this? I do. Were you there?

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Maybe because everybody Joe and Diane are really into it. So I like tournament wise.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

Yeah, I got in the tournament. I was a 12-year-old or something.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:29

I was uh I was in the qualifying and I was like, like an idiot. I didn't know. Maybe you don't want to qualify first because then you get a first seed and you get your ass kicked right away. But anyway, I quali was the first qualifier. I was did really well. But as I was doing my round, the guy that was keeping score had a heart attack. Old guy smoking a cigar. He was kind of, you know, like scrubby looking and he had a hat on, and it just looked like he was doing bad. Did he drop done? Dropped right there and boom. Yeah, had a heart attack.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Didn't he die?

SPEAKER_00 42:59

I don't know. He was taking the hospital. I kept throwing more shoes. He lived.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

He lived horseshoes again.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

The Mayo Expo. Oh, yeah, we go there and camp.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

Me and my dirty cousins would run around and they would try to steal cans from campsites and get yelled at. Well, there's stories I can tell you about that. Um, black chili beans.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

I like a black chili bean.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Chili or jelly?

SPEAKER_01 43:24

Jelly bean?

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Jelly.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

Oh, I thought he said chili beans.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

Oh, black jelly beans.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

I don't like jelly black beans.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Ah, damn it.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

I don't like licorice. Food licorice.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

All right. Radishes.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

I love radishes. Oh, okay, good. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Heroes.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

And George Costanza.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Um, sometimes he's a hero. Sometimes he's a dick. Sometimes he's a dick. And I think a lot of times he's a dick.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

I always watch Seinfeld, and his character evolves from the beginning. They all do, but he he becomes more lovable throughout the years, I think.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

Well, he does some things that are so outrageous that. They are, I guess you'd call them lovable. But overall he's a dick.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

He's a dick.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

They're all dicks. They're pretty small.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

Yeah, all dicks. I think that was the whole premise of the the finale. Yeah. That was they're that they're all dicks. Okay, I have one more note that I noticed I wrote down at some point, and it says, Is it ever inappropriate, inappropriate, to form a conga line?

SPEAKER_00 44:26

Inappropriate?

SPEAKER_01 44:27

Yeah, is it ever inappropriate?

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Maybe at a funeral. But then again, that might be good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

You could, you know what, everybody, you can do a conga line at my funeral.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Just do it at the next funeral you're at. Try it out.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

Maybe we're gonna start a trend.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

It's a conga line funeral. We could the funeral conga line.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

Yeah. Um, you had something that you forgot and you're not gonna remember now. You were gonna give somebody props last time and you forgot.

Storm Cleanup Shout Outs And Wrap Up

SPEAKER_01 44:54

Did we give it to Katherine O'Hara?

SPEAKER_00 44:56

No, not her. Somebody you knew.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

Oh, Dottie.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

Did you get her?

SPEAKER_01 45:00

I I got her. I thought we did last time, but if not, shout out to Dottie. We don't know what to do with her without her at Legal Women Voters. We had a meeting last night. We're like, oh my god, what would Dottie do? We don't know. We don't know how to operate without her because she was just such a force.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

So I don't think you talked about her before.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

Well, rest in peace, Dottie. Because we're not without you.

SPEAKER_00 45:26

Yeah. And then one last thing.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

Shout out to the I think it's a bally who folks that are cleaning up here, the ice storm stuff.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Oh, yeah.

unknown 45:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

And all the linesmen. And I give big shout out to Alpina Power. I I don't care if you were out of power for an hour or six days. They are doing their best to get power to you.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

And they were very prepared this time. I know that there were people, you know, linesmen from all over here. And who said this is bad here, you know.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

Yeah. So is it going to be a normal thing though? I kind of think it's bad too.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

I think we're uh once a year we're gonna have an ice storm. And we know how to deal with snow, and snow doesn't always knock the power out, but man, you gotta put those, we gotta put those little lines underground.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

Well, they say and even then I was talking to a fellow from Lakeshore Fiber. Did you hear about this? This this company? They're giving Spectrum a run, thank God. So they were in our neighborhood a few months back, and then they came back. Brooke and I were coming back from a walk, and this fellow Michael Davis, who was great, talked to us about what they offer, their service. They're kicking spectrums, but by the way, for pricing, and it's fiber. So it's fiber, it's faster.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

When are they coming on that way?

SPEAKER_00 46:53

They can't put they usually put the lines on their ground, but the city won't let them.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Why?

SPEAKER_00 46:56

I don't know, some reason. So, but anyway, it's still in the air. But the good thing is that when the power goes out, it doesn't go out. It doesn't go out.

SPEAKER_01 47:04

Yeah, because you know, I can live without power for longer than I can live without internet because internet you need it for everything now. Yeah, you know. Um, while I'm sitting there with the power out, I'm like, well, I'll just go online and pay a couple bills. No, no, I can't do that. Yeah, well, just watch a move. No, I can't watch a movie. Although we went, we made a Walmart run. While we were in Walmart, I got on their Wi-Fi and I downloaded a couple movies onto my Kindle. So when we got home, we had some movies to watch.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

But the thing is, though, now that I think about that, how is that possible? Because you still need your router.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

Well, I downloaded them.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

No, but I'm thinking he was telling me that.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Oh, I see. How because you'll need your I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

But anyway, long story short, was it's cheaper. I signed up and I'm getting it Friday, so I'll report back.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:00

But that had something else to do with whatever we were talking about. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Internet. I don't know. Anyway, okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

Well, thanks everybody. This one went longer than usual. Um because we've been gone. We've been gone.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

We won't be gone for so long. Although I'm away, but what? I'm just for a week. Where when's this? Uh April 22nd. Okay. We're going to Savannah for Cassidy's birthday. Can't wait. Mm-hmm. So that's like oh, like less than a month away. Yay.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

So we'll have to get one at least in before that.

SPEAKER_01 48:32

Oh, yeah, we'll get one in. All right. Okay. All right. Thanks for watching. Thanks, everybody. Bye.