Dreading Their Next Message? How to Stop the Toxicity With a Narcissistic Co-Parent

Are you bracing for impact when your phone buzzes?

Does every conversation turn into a nasty fight?

This week, Sol Kennedy joins Dr. Kerry to reveal why co-parenting is never get better when dealing with a narcissistic or an emotionally immature co-parent. 

Learn why courts don't understand narcissistic co-parents will never become reasonable and why most co-parenting apps only make the conflict worse. Sol Kennedy shares how to take back control by changing the entire dynamic. 

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SOL KENNEDY is a technology entrepreneur and co-parenting advocate who built the first AI-powered co-parenting app after navigating his own high-conflict divorce. BestInterest has earned the backing of renowned narcissism expert Dr. Ramani Durvasula and is now used by co-parents, family law professionals, and therapists across the U.S. and Canada. Sol also hosts the podcast Co-Parenting Beyond Conflict. 

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Co-Parenting with a Narcissist Just Got Easier: How to Use AI to Filter Their Toxic Messages

Dr. Kerry: [00:00:00] These relationships, you think that when you get out of them, that you've gotten out of it, but when there's kids, you haven't gotten out of it, it just, like, moves into act 

Sol Kennedy: two. I had had this experience of getting just a lot of communication from my co-parent. It was driving up my anxiety. Every time I would hear that ding, I would know, oh, that's the OurFamilyWizard message.

Mm. And my heart would start racing, and I knew that there needed to be some sort of buffer, some sort of protection, and boundaries don't usually work in these situations. If I said to you, "I need you to drop off the kids at 9:00. If you don't do that, I'm gonna take you to court," you know, something threatening, something that might rise your tension level.

BestInterest will craft that message so that you know the need, which is, "I expect you to drop them off at 9:00 AM." Everything else is stripped out because you don't really need to know it. You end up in court. You say, "Hey, this is not okay." The court tends to just order a co-parenting app. Then you find yourself in the exact same situation, now it's just [00:01:00] court-sanctioned.

Dr. Kerry: It's that 8:00 text message that comes in from your ex, and you know that it's gonna be bad, and it's another fight around the kids, and you don't wanna open it. What do you do? Well, today, Sol Kennedy joins me to talk about a new creation, a new app to support parents in the co-parenting situation like this, called BestInterest.

Sol Kennedy: My app is called BestInterest, and it's a co-parenting app, and you've probably heard about OurFamilyWizard or TalkingParents or, or one of those. And those existed prior to the creation of BestInterest, and in fact, I was an OurFamilyWizard user. And I had had this experience of getting just a lot of communication from my co-parent, and it, it was driving up my anxiety.

Every time I would hear that ding, I would know, oh- Mm ... that's the OurFamilyWizard message, and my heart would start racing. And I knew that there needed to be some sort of buffer, some sort of [00:02:00] protection, and, and boundaries don't usually work in these situations. And so I envisioned BestInterest as a protector, as a smart AI that would basically serve as a mediator between my co-parent and I and help us get to a better place in our communication.

And so that's essentially what BestInterest does, is we step in the middle of a co-parenting relationship, and we moderate and mediate communication so that we dial the conflict down, and so the interests of the children really are raised. 

Dr. Kerry: That's wonderful. I, just as I was telling you off air, had a club member in, um, my membership, my Toxic-Free Relationship club, who got a text.

She just had had a visit with one of her kids, and it didn't go well because it was occurring in the other home. Yeah. And she doesn't have control over the setting of that home, and things got disrupted and a little bit of a altercation between kids happened. And she then sent a message to that parent, said, "Hey, would you mind helping out with this and this and [00:03:00] this so these calls go better?"

And then she got the response back, and she knew it wasn't gonna be good, 'cause she knows the relationship really well, and- She sat on that, she said, for days before she had the ability to open it and read it, and it, it wasn't good. You know? It's, just as she expected, it was very triggering. So is that what kind of situations that prompted you to think about developing something like this?

Sol Kennedy: Yeah, absolutely. BestInterest gives you the power to decide what you're available for. Mm. We can't control another person. We can't control their moods, their triggers, or how they choose to hold on resentment, and we can't choose how they communicate with us. But with BestInterest and AI, we actually now have the ability to say, "You know, I'm only open to receiving messages that are child-focused and help move the conversation forward.

Anything else, I don't wanna see." And so what we'll do is we will take that co-parenting communication that is somewhat triggering, and we'll remove anything [00:04:00] that isn't child-focused. So if I said to you, if we're, we're co-parenting, you and I, Kerry, if I said to you, "I need you to drop off the kids at 9:00.

If you don't do that, uh, I'm gonna take you to court," you know, something threatening, something that might rise your- Yeah ... your, your tension level, well, BestInterest will craft that message so that you know the need, which is, "I expect you to drop them off at 9:00 AM." Everything else is stripped out, because you don't really need to know it.

And it'll indicate on that message, oh, there's more to the message. And so when you're alone, not with your kids, or with y- when you're sitting with a therapist, then you can open up that original message and do the processing that we all need to do to learn and grow. 

Dr. Kerry: So, kinda help me understand what are s- common scenarios that people get into in these relationships that are really tough to navigate.

Maybe for some people, they may not be battling this, and they may not even see what the need of this is. So- Yeah ... what are some different kind of case examples of how BestInterest can really help that may be e- even different [00:05:00] than the other apps? 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. Well, one of the major differentiators is that we realized early on that a lot of co-parents are fine with the way things are going, right?

And they don't wanna use an app that might affect the way that they are communicating to the other co-parent. It, it kinda takes away their control, right? And so BestInterest you can actually download today and use on your own. We call that solo mode. Oh. And that allows you to filter all the messages that are coming in and then respond.

And see, here's the thing that's, all of us, we're all capable of communicating in challenging ways. You know, maybe we get a message that feels like it's gaslighting, and we, we jump into defensive. You know, we, we're defending ourselves, or we send a four-page tirade about how they shouldn't do that to us.

Well, none of that's really helpful. It creates a cycle that is sometimes gonna escalate to more conflict in court and things that we don't want. [00:06:00] So BestInterest will review all of the communication you send as well, and will encourage you to communicate in a way that is simpler, more gray rock, um, and designed to lower the temperature level for both.

So even if only one co-parent is using it, then the entire system becomes less heated. 

Dr. Kerry: Yeah, that was what I was thinking when you started to say something. I was thinking, I know a lot of situations in which the other person who's antagonistic says, "M- no, I'm not, I'm not doing that. I'm not using it." 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah.

Dr. Kerry: "I'm gonna keep using the kid as the messenger," or doing whatever their favorite method is. 

Sol Kennedy: Well, and you know, my experience in talking with users of the app and some of my own clients is that it's a bit of a toxic cycle that people get into, where you find yourself in a conflicted situation. You and your co-parent are fighting.

You're sending each other challenging communication. You end up in court. You say, "Hey, this is not okay." The court tends to just order a co-parenting app. Sometimes they specify you have to use [00:07:00] OurFamilyWizard or one of the big ones, and then you find yourself in the exact same situation. Now it's just court-sanctioned.

Hmm. So the abuse continues, and then you just go back to court. "Well, h- now I have a record." And they say, "Well, w- there's not a lot we can do about that." And, and they can adjust custody, but they tend to not do that. So th- you're just stuck in the same loop of needing to use the app for court, but it's not really doing anything to protect you.

And so BestInterest jumps in and says, "Actually, w- we don't need to get to the level where the courts need to get involved because you can decide how you wanna be communicated with. Now that AI is in the picture, we can step in and we can help you without needing to get the courts involved at all." And BestInterest, just like the other apps, it keeps a record.

So if you do need to go to court and it's very egregious, you know, you can go and present it to a judge and say, "Look, this is what's going on." And they might adjust the custody orders. But we really [00:08:00] don't want our customers to have to get to that point. 

Dr. Kerry: Yeah, I hadn't realized that. You said something, uh, the description of what happens, that they urge them to use an app, but actually the communication style doesn't...

Th- the way you said it, nothing really changes. They're still being... That's what I've seen, is that in these situations that whatever the court kinda perceives to be the reality of what's happening is sort of... In other words, both people have their own perspective. 

Sol Kennedy: Yes. 

Dr. Kerry: His perspective, her perspective. Yeah.

Or their perspective. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. 

Dr. Kerry: And then there's the court's perspective. And what I've noticed is that once it kinda gets locked in, it's locked in. Yeah. And it's very, very hard to sort of change the wheel, change the view to help them see that there's maybe another read, a way of seeing the situation. Uh, I have a, like again, that same club member.

I mean- Man, I mean, she's just being beaten up horribly in the situation, and it's always her and never him. And yeah, so it's interesting how this can interject that and kind of change even the tone. Yeah, say more about that. 

Sol Kennedy: Well, communication is a [00:09:00] dynamic in these situations, right? Whether we like it or not, whether we want to accept responsibility or not, you know, we do all play a role in keeping the conversation going.

And I have definitely personally been responsible for this, of saying things that end up keeping the engagement going. And, and- Mm ... and oftentimes what's the best thing to do is to disengage. Now, you mentioned about your client and feeling that anxiety of not even wanting to open the message. That's real, right?

Because she doesn't- Yeah ... know what's on the other end. She knows that there's a message waiting, but, "Ugh, I don't know if I'm ready for it." Yeah. That's not good either, because as a co-parent, unfortunately or fortunately, you have to communicate about your kids. So you're in this weird bind as a co-parent.

Here's this person that, for whatever reason, you decided you don't wanna be in relationship with anymore, and now you have to be in this high-stakes, big decision relationship that you have to manage. And it's almost like the impossible situation. [00:10:00] And so with BestInterest, we're trying to make it so that you can be a great co-parent.

You don't have to feel that anxiety of opening BestInterest to read the message because you know that it's been, the toxic part of the communication has been removed for you. So you can open it without having that anxiety. 

Dr. Kerry: Yeah, and that's what it feels like to me, is that these relationships, you think that when you get out of them, that you've gotten out of it.

Yeah. But when there's kids, you haven't gotten out of it. It just, like, moves into act two- 

Sol Kennedy: Oh my gosh, 

Dr. Kerry: yeah ... often. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah, 

Dr. Kerry: it's- And, and in a lot of ways, this is even worse because you're not in the situation. You have less control, less interaction. It's, the interaction system is more narrow, and because it's often not in p- person, it's, there's more room for error in these relationships, I think, I think.

It looks like to me. 

Sol Kennedy: Oh, my gosh. Well, and, and yeah, you're right. Like, in a marriage, it, it's hard enough, right? But then- Yeah ... when you or they decide to get divorced, now you have this situation that the heat dials [00:11:00] up, right? Now the courts are involved, which is this whole other way of getting dragged in, and it's so hard to disengage from a relationship like this.

And yet it's so important that we continue to engage so that we can work together to support our kids. And- Mm-hmm ... it can be a real bind. I talk with my users about the situations that they're in and how painful it is to be in a situation that's so high stakes and so drama-filled. I've 

Dr. Kerry: act- had clients say to me, "I feel like every move that I make is being evaluated, and I can't even just freely show up as me because I'm having to wait, like, what might this say about me as a parent?

If I don't do that, what does that say about me as a parent?" 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah, it can really get us in our heads and thinking 

Dr. Kerry: about- 

Sol Kennedy: Mm-hmm ... well, what can we even say to our kids, and what can we say to our partner or our friends, you know? It's like, it, it, it makes you feel like at every corner, there's this other opportunity to be engaged.

Dr. Kerry: And here, [00:12:00] as a coach, I end up thinking to myself, the only way that you can really heal is to disempower this person from your life, to sort of not let them continue to manage and control your life, and yet- They essentially are being controlled in an ongoing basis by the relationship because that person's in their head and they're running that grid all the time.

Like, "Is this a right thing or bad move? What does this say? How will this be evaluated?" Or, "What might this person do to retaliate if I do this or that?" It's really sad because I see it as a almost a hindering block to healing is, is this ongoing... I mean, I don't know what else to suggest because you have to continue to take care of your kids together, but it is so complicated.

My heart breaks for everybody who's in this situation. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. It can be so painful to think that you are breaking free from a toxic relationship and then realize that that relationship, that your ex almost sometimes becomes your enemy- Mm ... that is actively trying to destroy you. When you were in, in your marriage, [00:13:00] maybe it was that they were just using control tactics and beating you down and you were a shell of yourself, right?

But then when you leave them, then it's almost like it becomes this opportunity to take you out or to destroy you, to prove that you shouldn't have ever left them. It, it's a, an awful situation. And what's crazy is I have not ever heard anyone tell me that the courts understand this situation. They don't- 

Dr. Kerry: Yeah.

No ... get it. I don't hear that either. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. 

Dr. Kerry: That's a really interesting observation. No, that's, no, nobody's ever said that. "Oh, yeah, they understand this totally and really got the nuance of it." Nope, neither that. No. So I'm sure you're a user of this as well. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah, yeah. 

Dr. Kerry: And how has it changed things for you?

Sol Kennedy: Well, you know, creating Best Interest itself has been a journey, and when I started this process, I was messaging with my ex 10, 20 times a day back and forth. You know, we were engaging with one another and it was heated and I felt this need [00:14:00] to be responsive, you know, to respond very quickly to things. I thought that that was the court's expectation.

And I have learned myself how to slow things down. I've learned techniques to, you know, take a deep breath before responding. Honestly, at this point, you know, it's- I usually sleep on every response because you don't need to communicate that often or that quickly to your co-parent. In fact, it's better for both of you if you slow things down.

There are exceptions to that, of course. You know, there are urgent messages and change requests that you need to be responsive to. But I've just learned in my own self how to manage the situation better, and BestInterest has kind of grown out of those learnings. So a lot of what we developed in BestInterest is encouraging and helping our users to slow down the communication and bring more peace into their life.

And, and that has just [00:15:00] mirrored my own personal journey of how to do that. Now, I think that this journey can be growth-filled, but sometimes you're thrown into the thick of things and you're not prepared. You don't have the team in place. You don't have your therapist, your coach, and it's like e- everything's on fire, and it's so overwhelming.

That was my experience, and I've had to develop that, develop the team, develop the coach, develop my own personal body awareness so that I can navigate it better. But BestInterest, I believe it can be a tool that can step in in the very beginning, create peace so that you can find healing without being overwhelmed.

Dr. Kerry: What do you think of AI? Yeah, I know that's kind of a big shift, but you're using it, so what's your impressions of it? 

Sol Kennedy: That's a great question. I mean, I think that it's hard to know what AI is and what it is doing. I tend to be a, a tech optimist. I always have been. And so I believe in the goodness of [00:16:00]this technology and what it can bring to our lives.

I think it's truly incredible as a small team, uh, how much we've been able to accomplish with BestInterest using AI as an assistant. And I hear more and more people using things like OpenClaw and, you know, basically serving as these helpers to take our ideas and put them out into the world. And I think that that's a good thing.

I really love the individual thinker and idea creator being able to just create a new thing from nothing. That's so cool. Yeah. And I look forward to seeing what that does. But I think overall, you know, we have to be really cautious about any new technology, and my concerns are maybe around You know, socially and culturally, how we accept the new work, the new way that we will be approaching work.

I, I just don't know how quickly we'll be able to adapt as a culture. 

Dr. Kerry: [00:17:00] Say more what you mean by that. Can you kinda dig- Yeah ... into that? 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. 

Dr. Kerry: So- I, I have my concerns, too. I've, I've seen areas where, as a psychologist, I'm thinking, "Yeah, its motives and its intentions is not a psychologist." You know, I, I- Mm-hmm

I know people wanna use it as a therapist. I even urge them to do some coaching with it, but- 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah ...

Dr. Kerry: it isn't a therapist. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. Well, there's a lot of ways that I could go from that insight. One of the experiences that I've had coaching my own clients and using it myself is that some AIs, like ChatGPT, tend to be modeled around pleasing you as the user rather than giving you good information.

So they will attempt to kind of coerce you into certain situations so that you feel really good about what you're doing, which in co-parenting situations, especially when the courts are involved, can be really, really bad because- Hmm ... it might encourage you to send something that maybe feels empowering but is gonna result [00:18:00] in maybe a really bad outcome for you.

So I caution my clients of using just basic AI to help them because they can go down rabbit holes. 

Dr. Kerry: Yeah. I use ChatGPT a lot. I also use Claude a lot, and I have no- And they feel different. They are different experiences, and they- Yeah ... have different strengths. I find ChatGPT probably does a better job being analytical about stuff if I really want it to parse things apart for me.

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. 

Dr. Kerry: But I've put in a caveat with it. I say, "You have to be brutally honest and tell me what I don't wanna hear, even though it's, you know," so you... And it always will say, "Here's the truth of the situ-" You know, it will even come out and say that. "You've asked for this." You're like, "Okay. Yes, I want that." But its goal, you're right, it- I have noticed that.

Its goal is to support you. I think that that's a kind way to say that. It's, it's to always support you. And I've seen it give you... So it creates a worldview with you that supports you, but it can get way off track of reality as a result of that. 

Sol Kennedy: I would even reframe that and say [00:19:00] its main goal is to get you to like 

Dr. Kerry: it.

Ooh. Yeah. 

Sol Kennedy: Right? Yeah. And, and that makes sense because this is a corporation, and they want your money. 

Dr. Kerry: Yeah, they

Sol Kennedy: want you- So they've- ... not 

Dr. Kerry: to stop using it. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah They've programmed their default AI to get you to like using it. So it's- Right ... gonna, of course, say, "Oh my God, that's the most amazing idea." Yeah.

Dr. Kerry: Oh, yeah. No, I've, well, true confession here. It's, it's that, I mean, this is the Model 4 versus Model 5. Model 4 would get me crying. I mean, we... The things it would say was so emotionally evocative that it's like, "Oh, that's so powerful." But on the other hand, I, there's awareness of me as like, "I know what you're doing."

I may like it, but I know what you're doing. Yeah, whereas a therapist, you know, when someone walks into my room, my, my goal is not necessarily to have you a- approve of me. My goal is for your health, and I will sometimes gently move you into directions that you won't like or you may even get mad at me over.

Yeah. Because my end goal always is for you to get me out of the job, not to keep me in my job. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. And, you know- Yeah ... these sorts of models may [00:20:00] improve over time. You know, I would say that ChatGPT-5 is a bit better- It is ... in terms of this. But also, it's really important to ask for what you want. If you don't want your personal AI to just be a yes man, then you need to ask it to not be one.

Yeah. And, and generally that can work, but using your default AI tends to, in situations like co-parenting, tends to lead you down paths of not very helpful. 

Dr. Kerry: In fact, someone sent me an AI conversation that another person had had with it about me. So they fed it in this big conflict, and it was about me and somebody else, and the person's perspective was validated, and I was unrecognizable.

I was unrec- You would not know it was me that was being discussed. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. 

Dr. Kerry: Was noth- And I know that person thought the AI nailed it, and yet I look at that and I think, "I don't know what you're talking about," 'cause that was, that's your view of what happened. That's not the view of what happened. And yet this [00:21:00] morning I got a high-pressured marketing email around somebody who's trying to pitch themselves, and they made some, there's some statements about my YouTube channel, and I knew, you know, it was sort of accurate but not really accurate, and I fed it through and it did, you know, and then asked me some critical questions, and then we looked at what's the truth about my YouTube channel, and it was really interesting information.

Like, this is what's being said. This is actually the truth. Here's how to kinda parse this all out. And that, that to me is extremely helpful. 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. It's i- it's interesting on, on your show and in my world, we talk a lot about the concept of gaslighting, right? Mm-hmm. And in a way, AI tends to gaslight a bit.

Some of these chat models are like, "Oh yeah, that's definitely true." And you have to just really read everything it says with a critical eye because it's- Yeah ... more than happy to make up a fact to fit a, a mental model than to question itself. 

Dr. Kerry: Yeah. So how did you... 'Cause y- I just told you off air that I built an AI as [00:22:00] well called Reclaim You, which helps survivors move through sort of the most intense part of their journey m- in a, almost with daily support.

That's what it is. It's kind of a daily mini coach. In their pocket. But I bet I spent more time on the safety end of it than I did actually building the content end of it, because it was so critical that it not deviate off its purpose. Yeah. So how did you do the same with yours? 

Sol Kennedy: I love that concept, and I can't wait to try it out.

And yeah, with BestInterest, we started with not only Dr. Ramani's input. So we had Dr. Ramani on, uh, very early on on the team, and she helped us bring into the core of the app this idea of emotional safety, and it's built into every aspect of the app. And you're right, you know, I think when we're dealing with these AI models, we have to really be aware of what we're building and, and we need to be very [00:23:00] exacting in what we are asking the AI model to produce.

And so our early beta users were real co-parents, and they were using it, gave us permission to learn the dynamics that they were experiencing in their co-parenting. They really helped us craft and model the responses so that they felt a sense of peace. That's always been our goal, is to, how do we create peace for everyone involved?

And, you know, maybe it's not always gonna encourage you in the way a ChatGPT might. You might not feel super empowered by, you know... You might even feel limited, right? Because we're reading your messages and we're saying, "You know, you should, probably should phrase it this way because of so and so reason."

But over time, we're hearing over and over again, I get messages from our users saying that it's changed their lives, which is so heartwarming to know that this [00:24:00] wild idea that I had a couple years that was hopefully gonna solve this for people is starting to solve it for people and, and make a real difference in their lives.

Dr. Kerry: That's very, very exciting. It really is. I, I think it's a brilliant idea, honestly. I, I, I was- I mean, you pitched what it was to me, but I didn't know that it had AI built in and that there was this, it's not really censoring, it's more of a monitoring or maybe it's tempering. Yeah. It's adding a piece that it's sort of...

'Cause often when I put a letter through something, it's like, well, what is your intention? What are you trying to communicate? Is that really what's being said here? How this is what's gonna be experienced. I'm autistic, by the way, and so sometimes I miss, I will think it's obvious, and it's not obvious to another person, and I won't know that, that I'm not connecting A to C, and it will point that out to me.

So I think this is really, really a wonderful idea. What I would love to do is to jump over to the podcast extra, and let's talk about some specific use cases that you think is just a perfect situation for this, and maybe even why those [00:25:00] cases are perfect situations, 'cause I know that people may think, "Well, do I really need that?

Maybe this is not, maybe it's an overkill," but I would love to talk to you about that. So how can people find out more about BestInterest as well as more about YouSol? 

Sol Kennedy: Yeah. So we're available for Android and iOS. You can download us just from the App Store or the Play Store, and BestInterest has a free plan, so you can download it, try it out.

We also have a free trial of some of our AI features. So yeah, I just would encourage people to search out BestInterest. We're also available at bestinterest.app, and you can find me at Co-Parenting Beyond Conflict. I run my own podcast, and we talk about some similar ideas and really help try to create peace in what sometimes feels like an impossible situation.

Dr. Kerry: Yeah. 

Sol Kennedy: Thank you so much for that. I deeply appreciate that. 

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