From Robber Barons to Data Barons: America’s Oligarchic Legacy

In this episode of Fortean Winds, Bones and RamX explore the deep historical roots of modern oligarchy in the United States, tracing a lineage from the landed elites of the Founding Era to today’s digital overlords. 

How has control evolved—from physical monopolies on oil and railroads to invisible cages of data, media consolidation, and algorithmic manipulation? The hosts dissect how real autonomy is restricted not with chains, but with narratives, surveillance, and systemic leverage. 

They also revisit Richard Thieme’s “Real Birds in Digital Cages” and dig into the implications of concentrated power on UAP secrecy, civil liberties, and even Peter Thiel’s bizarre apocalyptic theology. This isn’t conspiracy theory—it’s historical continuity backed by data and receipts.

Welcome to the cage. Can you see the bars yet?

Find the notes and data for this episode in the Appendix for this article:

https://forteanwinds.com/2025/08/27/unraveling-elite-influence-who-really-runs-the-world/

Transcript

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Unknown
Welcome to the Fortean Winds podcast, where we talk about UFOs and all the related high strangeness. I'm bones and with us, as always, is Aramex. Hey. Hey, everybody. Hey, Ram. So last week, we, showed the receipts. We discussed the existence of, 2000 to 5000 individuals who make up, decentralized network of financial titans, political titans, and intelligence cluster nodes.

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They will add systemic leverage to define your life, your wallet, and your reality. You know, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's a measurable, functional oligarchy. So today we are going to look to stay on this track, but dive a little deeper by looking at US history and asking the question, have we always been an oligarchy? So when we look at this, history from the robber barons of the gilded air to today's trillion dollar asset managers like, Blackrock, we don't see, a changing of this game.

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We see a changing of a cage. And we are going to revisit the powerful concept of real birds in Digital Cages by Richard Theme. We discussed this in our last episode, 39. So, basically, the Gilded Age involved monopolies surrounding steel and oil, and these monopolies dictated your wages and where you worked and where you lived. Today, we live in a digital cage that involves data and algorithms, in the hands of the few.

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Unknown
This is in the form of oligarchical control over the internet outlets. And, of course, the fact that 90% of media outlets are owned by six conglomerates. But the goal is the same restrict the flight path of the real bird, which means restrictions on your autonomy, privacy, and access to the truth. And of course, we have to discuss UAP secrecy, which is the ultimate caged truth when you think about it.

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Unknown
It involves only 50 to 200 elites in the intelligence cluster that desperately keep transformative tech information locked away. So, let's start. Start at the beginning. The article suggests America was born a proto elite system. So what was the first cage of our founding fathers? Yeah. So we're calling this the proto cage, which is the founding era.

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Unknown
So this would be right after 1776, right around 1780 to 1800 is where we're going to take off. And this is where we see the cage first take shape. And then what we're referring to is the cage. And in this case isn't obviously data and algorithms. It wasn't even propaganda per se at this time, but it was a cage of authority and ownership and wealth.

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Unknown
So what we find at the beginning was that it was an elite system, but not a full oligarchy. The founding was shaped by landed elites, meaning you needed land to vote. So that was a big difference, right? Right. Yep. And property requirements would limit voting to about less than 6% of adults. The early financial power was led by Alexander Hamilton, and there was concentrated wealth through the institutions like the first Bank of the US.

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Unknown
So the early banks were able to centralize power and create this proto elite system, because power was still somewhat decentralized in the states. And if you didn't like the rules, you could literally pack up and move west into the frontier. Right, right. So the frontier became the escape hatch. And if you weren't making it in this world of the elites and the finance and and businesses, you could just pack up your stuff and build a farmer ranch or go out to the West and make your own way.

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Unknown
Right. So this becomes important because I think that this attitude still exists today, where, you know, the elites have this closed system that ends up preventing us from being able to either be ourselves or get promoted to the point that we think we should be promoted or make as much money as we think we should make. So you say, okay, I'm going to take off and go west, right?

00;04;24;26 - 00;04;47;28
Unknown
I'm gonna make my own fortune. I'm going to make my own way, and I make my own rules. I'm going to make my own life. Right. And this starts to happen. And that prevents America from being a true oligarchy at the beginning, it was really a proto elite society, right? Because you had this escape hatch and it was very real, and there was opportunity so you could still make your money.

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Unknown
There was still an opportunity for meritocracy. Yeah. And perhaps there wasn't really a need for propaganda as much because, I mean, you had to work, you had to find food, and there was really not much of a middle class. And, the government really didn't care if you went off and starve to death somewhere. You just disappear. That's just the way life was.

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Unknown
There certainly weren't as many rules around taking care of citizens or any sort of entitlement programs. There was no Social Security or Medicare. Yeah. So you're you're kind of on your own. But then the contract of what does the Constitution mean? What does it mean to me? Federal government power became very important to people, too, because they were like, look, I'm on my own anyway, so why should I listen to you?

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Unknown
Right, right. And this is a question people don't ask that much today. But as far as political power, the real control was through exclusion by keeping people out who didn't have land. Right? That was how that was, how it was originally set up. And that began the system. So that process of people, you know, moving out to the frontier when, when they wanted or needed, went went all the way up to the Civil War, right?

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Unknown
Right. So all the way into the Civil War, you have people moving out west. You have people creating different communities, different societies, different states. And so America really becomes a true republic at that point. But then the Civil war happens, and it's definitely an economic war. There is a southern class that wants its free labor force or somewhat free labor force.

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Unknown
And then there is a northern class that has a moral opposition to that. Right. And the Southerners argument is that, well, your money doesn't rely on this type of slave labor, so you don't care. And then the northerners argument is you shouldn't be doing slavery anyway. So this begins, right? This stuff we sort of see today where you have elites who say whatever I want, I should get or whatever I can take is mine.

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Unknown
And then you have other ones who say, no, that's not right. And so we talked about last time how you have billionaires saying, it's my version of the world. No, it's my version of the world. Well, this all happened back then in the Civil War, and I understand many other things were happening here. But we are really just talking about levers of power and who owns them in this episode.

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Unknown
So the balance of power after the war definitely shifted to the north, and it also began the industrial age somewhere around the 1870s to the 1900s. Right. So then you, you know, you have the industrial age come about and, you know, the factories were built, a lot of the factories were built in the north, and a lot of the power was in the north, mainly because of the lack of air conditioning.

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Unknown
Air conditioning didn't exist. But, that's when you have the oligarchy, because you start to have the kind of the functions of the oligarchy. You have the birdcage start to be developed where you become reliant on these captains of industry, the Rockefellers of the world. And we would measure that becoming a true oligarchy at this point, by the means of production and control being held by a few hands.

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Unknown
Instead of many. Those are the metrics that we were looking at who really owned all the wealth, who really had the voting power? How much power did the people exercised during the period? Those were the metrics that we're looking at, say, during which periods was America an oligarchy and was it not? And this was a period when it went full oligarchy, because these robber barons came in and they held monopolies and there was no antitrust laws, so there was nothing stopping them.

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Unknown
Right? Owning all of it, owning all of the railroads, all of the steel. So they were setting all of the prices and then dictating all of the policies related to it. And they definitely were buying up politicians left and right tycoons bribed Congress using the equivalent of around $50 million in modern lobbying and Standard Oil. Standard oil's monopoly is the historic parallel, I would say, to BlackRock's modern reach in terms of how they control corporate policy.

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Unknown
That's what Standard Oil was doing at the time. So this is where ultimately going to get to today. And we're looking at all of this with today in mind. But the industrial cage during this period was built out of steel and oil. Those were the things that were really driving industry at this point. So that made Rockefeller from Standard Oil.

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Unknown
The monopoly was was the literal cage that people were in. They worked for them. They paid them and go read the stories or write stories. They were dictating costs and access. So the real bird of small business was crushed by horizontal and vertical integration of these monopolies. If you were a small unit miner or something like that, you were going to get crushed.

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Unknown
They were just going to push you out. You know, like that movie, there will be Blood. Did you ever see that Daniel Day-Lewis great movie. You know where? Oh, yes. The oil tycoon. Yeah, yeah, he had a great SNL skit based on that too. But that type of I eat you, I drink your milkshake. That was the era, right?

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Unknown
Right. So it's interesting to talk about this digital cage now because, you know, you I mean, you talk about my interpretation of this, the birds and digital cages is that, you know, if you've ever had a pet bird, the birds often prefer their cage, right? They come out right, they fly around, but then they want to go back in, and they and they choose to go back in.

00;10;44;26 - 00;11;07;24
Unknown
Those are the walls of the cage, right? It's it's the ones that you create and the ones that say the cage is more comfortable than the truth. Right. But at this point, the cage was physical and economic and the elite were easy to spot. They were the guys who owned the railroads, the factories, and their control was over the physical flow, how things moved right.

00;11;07;26 - 00;11;33;03
Unknown
And the cage laws favored the industrial builders, the people that were building the physical stuff that on the physical resources. And so it seems concept of that digital cage was utterly dependent on the Gilded Age system. So if Rockefeller controlled the oil for your lamp and the railroad that moved your crops, your autonomy and your travel was entirely managed by them.

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Unknown
So this sets the stage, you know, during the Industrial revolution, for people who go into factories, the conditions get really bad. And then there's pushback, right? Yeah. So this ultimately, you know, at the turn of the century ultimately creates push back social push back, because the conditions just get so bad. You have people starving in major cities are freezing to death.

00;12;00;11 - 00;12;32;20
Unknown
And, you know, social programs, that idea of social programs to combat it start to arise. And just like, I guess the general idea of, inequality. Yeah. Conditions get so bad following the industrial revolution that there is a big push back. And like in Russia, that ends up being the the push towards communism. Right. And like in Germany, we we didn't mention this during our World War Two stuff, but the Nazis sort of tried to push socialism too, in the very beginning.

00;12;32;20 - 00;12;59;12
Unknown
And then they were like, hey, what if we, you know, gave you some of everything too, right? Right. And then, you know, that that all went out of the way very quickly and they became a fascist regime. Right. But that's what they were trying to sell it in as because it was popular. It was trendy. Yes, yes. So this push towards socialism in the US makes people realize that we need reforms or that's what's going to happen.

00;12;59;15 - 00;13;26;19
Unknown
Most prototypical, I would say Karl Marx laid this all out. He said, what's going to happen always in an oligarchic system is that the elite will take too much and they are too small of a group, so that the larger group eventually says, we're going to go take all of that and redistribute it amongst ourselves. That is the heart of socialist communist thought, is that that is always going to happen.

00;13;26;21 - 00;13;46;25
Unknown
And we can see many examples of that happening, and it's only natural. Marx just thought that that was the natural way of the system. Right. And so, you know, it's great thinkers and of America got ahead of that and they said, hey, let's get ahead of that and we'll put in reforms and things like entitlements and Social Security and Medicare.

00;13;47;02 - 00;14;08;27
Unknown
And this will prevent the lower classes from eventually saying, hey, let's go take it off from the elite. But it's always been this game of how much do we have to give them, right? They're playing this game very publicly right now with with Social Security and Medicare and saying, okay, how much can we really get away with not giving you and that's all they're saying, right?

00;14;08;28 - 00;14;35;11
Unknown
That's all this is. And as we'll we'll see. So in the 1900s, the cage starts to weaken but secrecy starts to rise in response. Because the elites see that their power is threatened, there is a movement towards gaining more governmental power. They start to install people in positions in government as well as a lot of people in intelligence as well come to see.

00;14;35;13 - 00;15;00;13
Unknown
So they're progressive reforms like antitrust laws and the 1920s and 30s. And then there was a new Deal which expanded the middle class. So that was the response. You push back on the elites. And what happened in the New Deal. The middle class grew. This is undeniable. But what do the elites tell you that the New Deal is, oh, this is communism, right?

00;15;00;16 - 00;15;24;14
Unknown
It's growing your middle class. It's communism. All that money should come to us. And this this game has been going on forever. And politics are mostly just a mask for this same conversation. Everything that happens in politics is mostly just a mask for this conversation. How much money do we really have to give you in order for you to not revolt?

00;15;24;16 - 00;15;45;02
Unknown
Right? Right. So we see the middle class grow through the 20th century, and we see a educated populace start to rise. Right? So in response to this, the educated populace is starting to say, hey, what about this? What about that? They're doing exactly what we're doing right where they're saying, you know what? Some of this stuff doesn't make sense.

00;15;45;02 - 00;16;16;20
Unknown
Let's put it together and start to share ideas and say, hey, how are we being controlled? So the new game becomes intelligence, secrecy and influence, right? They can't just say, no more schooling, no more education for the masses. But, you know, that's a clear trend. You could see it in developing countries where they start to develop and they start to, to get a, a middle class and educated middle class.

00;16;16;22 - 00;16;49;22
Unknown
And what happens is people like you said, they start to question and there starts to be, you know, more and more public, demonstrations, questioning power. And that's just kind of a natural when you have an educated population that naturally happens. Yeah. The Nazis are a good blueprint for this. And we went through it all so we can reference it from our World War Two episode, where they went in and immediately realized that they had to control both the education department and religion.

00;16;49;24 - 00;17;24;20
Unknown
Right. They needed to control those two things because they wanted to control beliefs. So in the 20th century, the elites started to realize that controlling physical assets like factories and just resources like oil wasn't enough. There was a lot more opportunity. So the new strategic asset became knowledge and truth. Who owns that? And you could say all of media ends up in this category, even fiction, because through fiction you can tell a story, you can tell morality stories.

00;17;24;21 - 00;17;45;03
Unknown
You, and we can look to the UFO topic to watch the evolution here, you know, and so much of this ends up brushing up on the UFO topic, because there is no difference between the UFO topic and everything else. It's been happening this whole time. It is a part of your history. You're just not allowed to talk about it, right?

00;17;45;06 - 00;18;09;09
Unknown
Right. And one of those moments that's pertinent to both the UFO topic and our discussion today is that moment when the OSS becomes the CIA. That's such an important moment that we always go back to, because who was involved at the time? It was these people, these elite, and who did they get together? They got together, the Vatican.

00;18;09;12 - 00;18;41;26
Unknown
They got together organized crime, and they got together. The preexisting spy network. And so much of the last 80 years ends up being informed by that moment. So at this point, the real bird becomes information. The walls of the cage become information. It's now captured and it's labeled as classified or it's misinformation and disinformation. But none of that is possible until the age of mass media.

00;18;41;28 - 00;19;18;06
Unknown
Right? And then you throw in the, you know, the constant algorithms now that are being controlled by very few. So what is this area, an oligarchy? It ends up being mixed because of the New Deal, because of trust reforms, the middle class rising. That is a clear example of the oligarchy shrinking. And then later in the late late 20th century, as we'll start to see, you know, it starts to become more a modern oligarchy as centralized control of wealth starts to become the word of the day.

00;19;18;08 - 00;19;41;02
Unknown
Economic democracy was up, but a new deep state secrecy. Everyone loves the deep state secrets, and here will actually say this is where it this is where it lives. It is where it is. You know, it was introduced by elites in the intelligence community. You know, it was see it, think tanks, Council on Foreign Relations, those sorts of things.

00;19;41;04 - 00;20;14;05
Unknown
That's what introduced the so-called deep state. And these are people that operate on behalf of that elite financial network, that that's what I would define as right upstate, not the bureaucrats at the DMV. Yeah. Right. Right. Right there on the left. Yeah. But this is the hinge point in the digital age. So the old visible industrial cage that had physical walls was replaced by the invisible information secrecy cage.

00;20;14;05 - 00;20;42;05
Unknown
Your beliefs cage. This is when it really became a thing. And this became a necessary prelude to what we would get into today as the digital cage. Right? So to sum up, we started out with like a proto elite system where like, like you said, it was basically, landowners that were running the show. And really, they and then we got, you know, we get 1780s to mid.

00;20;42;06 - 00;21;06;11
Unknown
So the Civil War mid 1800s. Right, right. And then we don't go to the functional oligarchy in the mid 1800s to the Gilded Age. And then we kind of move into the more modern one. Now that we have it's more informational and digital. So the 20th century ends up being a mixed bag. We go from this functional oligarchy that happens in the Gilded Age.

00;21;06;13 - 00;21;30;19
Unknown
And then that ends up getting pushback. So we sort of remove it from the oligarchy control for a moment, and then they get it back toward the end of the 20th century, the monopolies start to rise, right? So this modern era, we call the post 1980s to today. And yes, I'm going to give you the old 14 wins.

00;21;30;19 - 00;22;03;15
Unknown
Bury the lead. It's becoming a modern oligarchy. Yeah. And, you know, we we did mention Peter Teal last episode, and he has to be mentioned again because he just adds a new just came out, about his talks. So he, he talks about the, Antichrist a lot. Right? And he, he's part of some organization called, acts 17, I believe it's called stands for acknowledging Christ in technology in society.

00;22;03;17 - 00;22;36;20
Unknown
So he's he's got a really interesting spin. And, and it all, and it has to do with, of course, him, you know, building a bunker so we can save all his billions in the apocalypse. But they seem to be he's promoting. And it's not just him. It there's a group of of these billionaire tech tech folks that are spreading this kind of, idea that they're almost afraid of people being anti AI, and, they think that that that's, that's going to bring the apocalypse.

00;22;36;22 - 00;23;04;29
Unknown
It's very strange. I don't he's a great example of a modern oligarch. So weird and. And so disturbing. Yeah. Let's talk about him for a second before we talk about the structure of the modern oligarchy. So he has this talk about the Antichrist. So big deal for those who don't know, he grew out of the PayPal mafia, which means he was an early investor in PayPal.

00;23;04;29 - 00;23;35;07
Unknown
And then he was an early investor in Facebook. And he now owns Palantir, numerous other government contracts. He's been an investor in many things. He was an investor along with, Epstein and some stuff. So he's connected there. He's, you know, everywhere. And, well, let's hit some highlights on Peter Thiel. He's an openly gay man, which I think ends up becoming relevant because he keeps trying to court Christian groups that are not cool with gay.

00;23;35;09 - 00;24;04;10
Unknown
So you got to ask yourself why? Why would someone do that? You know, and then he's got this weird interest in the Antichrist, which I really think is a licorice mustache. I don't think he's very interested in any of this at all. No. He had a podcast conversation in which a clip went very viral. He was asked something along the lines of, do you think humanity should continue on and persist?

00;24;04;13 - 00;24;29;13
Unknown
And he couldn't answer the questions, froze like, yeah, should be is is your vision of the future that doesn't involve humans? Like what? What what is that? So you're going to tell me that this guy is a Christian that is somehow, you know, and I you almost wonder if he's trying to interview for the job of Antichrist with all of this stuff, right?

00;24;29;13 - 00;24;53;19
Unknown
Right. And he keeps trying to court Christian believers because he thinks that they're easy targets like we've talked about. And he thinks that, oh, he I can get them on my side to push my AI in order to prevent the Antichrist. What are you are you are you saying you're robot versus the Antichrist? No. Thank you. Yeah, it's that's nowhere in the Bible do it.

00;24;53;20 - 00;25;19;20
Unknown
It's all. It's all seems very convenient because, like, one of the, founders of of this, acts 17 and it's called acts chapter 17. Is he he's also, venture capitalist, and he's in the defense. He has a defense contract as well. He has his own defense contract. So he's part of the same very tight knit group there.

00;25;19;22 - 00;25;48;25
Unknown
Yeah, he's trying to say environmentalists are Antichrist. Anyone who gets in my way like this has been going on since that proto elite era. You know, Benjamin Franklin ends up getting involved in the Jersey devil story because he's calling one of his opponents, you know, in league with the devil. Right? So this has been going on since the beginning, like they've been trying to use the devil to get people on their side to allow them to do whatever it is they want to do.

00;25;48;28 - 00;26;18;00
Unknown
In this case, he wants to own all of your information and become your surveillance overlord. Yeah. And he's telling you he's doing it to prevent the Antichrist, right? Right. And it doesn't make any sense because they he frames this whole Antichrist discussion, with the idea of being anti-science, but then he's anti climate activist who promotes climate science.

00;26;18;02 - 00;26;39;28
Unknown
It's it doesn't make any sense. No. And Peter Thiel is a great example of someone who is just richer than us. Right? He is clearly bizarre and weird and he doesn't make any sense. And he's just a big jerk. Anyway. But yeah, it's just it's just too convenient. He's worth $20 billion and he's worried about losing his money.

00;26;40;00 - 00;27;11;28
Unknown
Everyone, can't you can't forget the the size of $1 billion. It's just unbelievable. We're desensitized by how much money that actually is. And just seems too convenient for me. And it's just another example of basically the using the The Book of Revelations to to just manipulate the masses once again. Yeah, it's all it is, just like the book predicts, you know, just like the book predicts that this will be used for this purpose.

00;27;11;28 - 00;27;30;22
Unknown
It warns you in the book. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't even and I brought this up before episodes ago, but, you know, there was there's a lot of skepticism of the Book of Revelations because it was, you know, it was added to the New Testament. What's the fourth century? It wasn't it wasn't one of the original books.

00;27;30;22 - 00;27;56;26
Unknown
And, you know, I think, some Eastern Orthodox churches leaders were, skeptical of it. It doesn't even, it's not included in their version of the Bible. So it wasn't there in the beginning, but someone at some point in history knew that it was necessary to basically as an instrument of control. And what they don't control through religion, they control through control over your wealth.

00;27;56;26 - 00;28;28;15
Unknown
And that is what's happening from the 1980s to today, which is basically wealth concentration exploded. The top 1% share rose from 10% to 32% of wealth by 2024. Yep. So from 10 to 32%. That's how we know we're in an oligarchy. You have no control. You know the now the mechanism of control has become digital. The cage's invisible is systemic.

00;28;28;17 - 00;28;58;24
Unknown
The 25,000 elites now control power via systemic leverage. It's very powerful because just like, you know, the the bird in the cage, we are choosing to go into that cage by doomscrolling an algorithm all day long on our phones. It's it's incredibly powerful and they know it. So corporate media consolidation is now complete. 90% of media is held by six firms.

00;28;58;26 - 00;29;31;18
Unknown
Google has a 90% search share. Policies are aligned with elite interests. 80% of the time. I want to repeat those stats one more time. So 90% of media is owned by six firms. Google owns 90% of search share. Wow. All of these policies are aligned with elite interests 80% of the time. Yep. We can back all of that up with real data.

00;29;31;21 - 00;29;58;19
Unknown
So don't tell me that this is a conspiracy. You know this and in fact, who calls it a conspiracy? The media tech conglomerate are the architects of themes digital cage. They don't restrict you with an iron bar. They restrict your flight path with an algorithm, you feel free. But 60% of what you see online is curated and then you end up self-censor.

00;29;58;20 - 00;30;27;21
Unknown
Right? We mentioned last time that the NSA's Prism program collects 1 billion records daily, and this is the ultimate expression of the oligarchies need to know everything. They have. Their fear, as we pointed out, like their fear is constant and they have to know everything and know what you're doing all the time. Now they're passing laws to get all of the membership rolls and interaction logs from gun rights groups.

00;30;27;24 - 00;31;01;20
Unknown
Oh wow. Why are they so worried about that? Yeah. Yikes. The modern oligarchy governs the 25,000 people who run Blackrock. And that's the biggest asset manager in the world. And Google, they govern by data collection and narrative control because the physical cage is obsolete. Yeah. It's interesting because, you know, we are on the doorstep of being in a complete, surveillance state and it's really not getting that much airtime, really.

00;31;01;23 - 00;31;24;20
Unknown
It's not being talked enough, talked about enough. And you think about when this discussion first came up, when we had the Patriot Act after after nine over 11. Right. And people were up in arms about that because there were a lot of, personal freedoms, rights of privacy being, you know, violated. But that was before we had the Doom Scroll.

00;31;24;20 - 00;31;45;28
Unknown
That's before we had, like, social media wasn't that big. And so I think people could concentrate on it a little more as a topic, you know it and discuss it now. It's just it's just complete, you know, it's the term it's being overused now, but flooding the zone. And so it's it it's just we're all being distracted at the same time.

00;31;46;01 - 00;32;06;23
Unknown
We get to see this close up and personal with the Epstein files. We get to see how they're flooding the zone with every possible thing to avoid those Epstein files. And we know that this hits them. This the Epstein files hit them, and that's what they're doing. So you get to see this all happening firsthand and in clear view.

00;32;06;25 - 00;32;29;07
Unknown
And I think we were going to talk about some of the 14 angles here, and how all of this is utilized to keep all of the UAP and paranormal information away from you. However, I think that that's really evident as far as this is concerned, and we'll go into more of the specifics next time. It sounds like a plan.

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Unknown
And, you know, we should also just look into how it can be combated, right. Some awareness and this and this cage that we're putting ourselves in. It I have a I have a theory. We will talk about the theory next episode, but I is kind of making human activity generic in a way. And it might it might open up eyes because everything the doomscrolling, the algorithms might just start looking too familiar.

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All the time. People might start, finally start looking beyond their walls. You know, some of that is happening. There is hope there. I do see hope in the fact that all of this exists, like there's an alternative media world that is echoing similar sentiments that we are right now, that saying, hey, these are the walls of your digital cage, and if you can start to see the walls, you can start to look for ways out.

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Yep, yep. Well put. All right. Well good talking to you again. Ram will expand on this next time. Same to you Burns. All right thanks everyone for listening. You can always, visit our website at 14 wins.com. Thanks everyone. Take care y'all.