Aliens, Demons & Final Events: Oh My!

In this mind-bending kickoff to the new year, RamX and Bones dive deep into the shadowy intersections of UFO lore, fundamentalist theology, and government secrecy. Drawing on the controversial book Final Events by Nick Redfern, the episode explores the existence and motivations of the so-called "Collins Elite"—a covert group of U.S. government insiders who believe the phenomenon isn't extraterrestrial at all... but demonic.

From Aleister Crowley’s sex magic rituals to Jack Parsons’ moonchild aspirations, from Roswell to remote viewing, the conversation pulls no punches. Are UFOs a Trojan horse for the apocalypse? Has a religious technocracy infiltrated disclosure efforts? What happens when you mix prophecy, propaganda, and paranormal power?

RamX brings receipts. Bones brings beats. The result: a Fortean masterclass in spiritual psyops, high strangeness, and theological paranoia.

👽👹 Aliens or demons? Maybe both. Maybe neither. Maybe that’s the point.

Check out the Final Events Timeline on Fortean Winds.com here: https://forteanwinds.com/2026/01/14/aliens-vs-demons-insights-from-the-final-events-timeline/

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Chapters

• 0:00 Intro: Aliens vs Demons?
• 1:00 Nick Redfern’s Final Events and the Collins Elite
• 6:33 Crowley, Sex Magick, and Opening the Door
• 10:06 Parsons, Moonchild Rituals, and Occult Tech
• 13:34 Roswell, Ebens, and the Collins Demonic Theory
• 16:50 Project Stargate, MKOFTEN & Seances with Sybil Leek
• 22:00 Contactees, Soul Harvesting & The Demonic Agenda
• 26:30 Tom DeLonge, the Theocrats & Media Psyops
• 30:00 Biblical Big Brother: The Rise of Christian Soldiers
• 35:00 Paranoia, Prophecy & the UFO Control War
• 39:00 From Boggarts to Brownies: The Binary Problem
• 44:00 Synthesis: What Now? And Who Benefits?
• 48:00 Dick Cheney, Disclosure & Full-Circle Moments

Transcript

00;00;04;00 - 00;00;27;09
Unknown
Welcome to the Fortean Winds podcast, where we talk about UFOs and all the related high strangeness. I go by Bones and with this, as always, is RamX. Hey! Hey, everybody. Hey, Ram. Happy new year. We got a new show, and I'm feeling good about it. So what we're going to talk about is UFOs in theocracy terms.

00;00;27;15 - 00;00;47;24
Unknown
. And you read a book. You read a book over the holidays that really kind of tied things together, together, and, pretty excited about me. So I was really fascinating. So do you want to just go into it? Yeah, I'll just dive into, like, even how I came about the book and the author is relevant to death.

00;00;47;24 - 00;01;23;04
Unknown
And so air is the new year. And the weather was bad. And I thought, it's time for me to read the book Final Events by Nick Redfern. And this is a book that we've mentioned that even at least tangentially, like when we ever we talk about the Collins elite and the Collins elite. I would say I have been mistaken sometimes when I have described them, because I have described them as a group of congressmen or elected officials, and it seems to me now, after reading the book, that the elected officials are working more for the Collins elite rather than encompassing the Collins.

00;01;23;06 - 00;01;46;13
Unknown
We have mentioned that before, as a group of people in the government that have fundamental beliefs, Christian fundamental beliefs, and they believe something along the lines of what we do in terms of science and intelligence around the phenomenon, in that it resembles something like demonic or a demonology of old, and some cases do for sure, and they're all related.

00;01;46;13 - 00;02;12;01
Unknown
So they're looking at it like, well, these are demons. And Lou Elizondo has said several times that he was confronted in the hallways of, I think, Congress, where somebody pulled him into his office and said, Lou, you got to watch it. What you're looking into, Hiram. It and this group has long been mentioned to be making certain things around UFO disclosure and wants to control UFO disclosure and make it into something they want.

00;02;12;02 - 00;02;27;09
Unknown
But that's all part of the story we're going to talk about today, and it ties all of our work together. So if you listen to the last episode where we talked about pay raise and profits and power, and if you've been listening to how we talk about who runs the world, we've been pretty focused on this theocratic group.

00;02;27;12 - 00;02;48;25
Unknown
And I think that that gets really involved here. Part two and I knew about this in this book, is famous in UFO lore for us. Evvie about the Collins author. It's really the only source on the subject, and we need to really give Nick Redfern a lot of credit. Nick is one of the most prolific and influential fourteens of all time.

00;02;48;26 - 00;03;16;17
Unknown
He barely didn't make it into our top five, but now I would say that three women, Mack Tönnies, are tied for my top five for tens of all time. Okay? And they were friends, so that's appropriate, but in very different ways. Like Nick is a investigative researcher and Tönnies I think was more of a intellectual explorer. So, Nick, maybe even very clear in the book that his sources are a couple of whistleblowers.

00;03;16;19 - 00;03;37;04
Unknown
And he also makes it clear that he thinks that they're being pseudonymous with him or they're not telling him their real names. But they are people that were involved with the Collins a week who are now coming forward and feeling Redfern about it. There was another 410 English who gets involved, and Ray was a priest. He was a pastor.

00;03;37;04 - 00;04;07;03
Unknown
So they came to Ray first and then ended up with Dick. And Nick makes it very clear in the book that he is a reporting and repeat cop, but they are saying that you cannot hold Nick accountable for everything. That okay, they say or do, and you'll hear that Nick publishes this back in 2010. So that's pretty ballsy because this is still extraterrestrial time where go anything like interdimensional hasn't even entered the mainstream ufology conversation.

00;04;07;05 - 00;04;30;24
Unknown
So he ends up taking a lot of heat for this. And there's a lot of, you know, you can imagine the the conflict that we talk about between the science wing of the UFO world and the fact that it involves consciousness and things like spirituality. And it does. And if you are a smart scientist, you take that as a clue and try to use that to figure something out.

00;04;30;26 - 00;04;53;10
Unknown
But a lot of people feel not, unfortunately, you know, they stop and say, oh, I it's scientific dogma and this is religion and you're trying to cross streams. Stupid. But anyway, Nick gets a lot of heat over the years for this, unfortunately, but fearlessly reported on this subject and makes it clear that he is just a reporter.

00;04;53;13 - 00;05;11;22
Unknown
And it pisses me off when people like George Knapp and Ross Coleman take heat for just repeating what sources tell them, and tell you I am telling you what a source told me, so you can either get that information or not. You know, I would like as much as I can about the source, but they're just being reporters.

00;05;11;26 - 00;05;29;07
Unknown
So either ignore it or take it into your true bag or put it into your false bag. Doesn't matter, but you need a reporter tell you what happened so you know. Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh a knack for doing that. And then the timing of my reading. It ends up being important here too.

00;05;29;08 - 00;05;57;17
Unknown
We recorded that last episode, profits, profits and Power before the holidays. And then I should point out, bones dropped his fantastic musical journey into high strangeness. It was a journey that was amazing, man. Sam, I you know, I just really want people to know that you compose all of that yourself. You play all the instruments and it's so kickass.

00;05;57;17 - 00;06;24;22
Unknown
I cannot believe which art. Thanks man a lot. And if it if I, Spotify rejected that episode because it had so much music on it. So you can hear it on iTunes or Buzzsprout or Amazon or anywhere, please check out Burns's little musical holiday gift to us. But prior to that, we had recorded our profits, profits and power episode, and we didn't want to drop it until after the holidays because it seemed like kind of a bummer, right?

00;06;24;25 - 00;06;51;03
Unknown
And I point that out because I had not read this book when we recorded that last episode, and the fact that the book was published in 2010, and that the people in the book were telling Nick what they were then, and then we started our operational timeline in 2010, I think is a very interesting coincidental. Yeah. So I end up reading this book over a couple of days, New Year's Eve day and then New Year's Day.

00;06;51;05 - 00;07;17;13
Unknown
So it's always very going to be very memorable for me. There was bad weather and I was like, glad to be stuck inside with something that I was just hooked on. But the book confirmed for me several other things. This Collins Ellie essentially starts their timeline a few years after Roswell, and they start their timeline with Parsons and Hubbard.

00;07;17;20 - 00;07;43;25
Unknown
And really, you could say with Crowley and Crowley tries to do this, I'm a term working ritual, and this is in 1918. And a lot of OTL rituals or Crowley and rituals involve sex, magic. It just does. And so did this. I'm launch working and the Babylon working ritual eventually would involve sex magic with Jack Parsons as well, but they differ very much in their intentions.

00;07;43;25 - 00;08;12;06
Unknown
So the Collins elite believe that the AMA launcher working ritual was opening a door, cracking it a little bit, and it was a door to another dimension that you weren't supposed to. And through that, Crowley contacted to being named lamb. He also downloaded the book of the law, which was very anti-Christian and quickly made it explicit that he was trying to destroy Christianity and usher in a new age.

00;08;12;08 - 00;08;45;05
Unknown
Crowley hooks up with this woman that he referred to as a Scarlet woman. Both him and Jack Parsons were obsessed with this concept of a scarlet woman, and they engage in all this sex magic rituals, and Crowley gets the book of the law. And the intention of the ritual was for universal wisdom. So if you believe that the book of the law was dictated by another dimensional being, and that the evidence around Crowley supports that he contacted some other entity from some other plane, then it worked.

00;08;45;08 - 00;09;17;20
Unknown
Bottom line, the ritual worked. I would say that there's enough evidence there. We've talked about the drawing of lamb and how much it looks like a drawing of a great alien. Yeah, it's right. And Crowley did that long before people were talking about aliens. Yeah. And then the Collins elite believed that Parsons came through and kicked open that door that Crowley had cracked, and that by doing so, he was allowing demons to come through and ushering in sort of a final event.

00;09;17;23 - 00;09;45;25
Unknown
End of days type apocalypse scenario. And that ritual was performed by Jack Parsons, who was the founder of JPL. It was even jokingly referred to as Jack Parsons Laboratory. But it was, you know, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is well known out in California, gets involved in a lot of UFO stuff. Jack Parsons is widely considered a big reason we have rockets in the US and then eventually got to the moon.

00;09;45;27 - 00;10;14;04
Unknown
So by doing what he was doing and trying to get to the moon and calling on occult powers to help him, and then he was also engaged in this Babylon working ritual with Ron Hubbard. And ultimately the goal of that was to manifest an individual incarnation of the Ptolemaic goddess Babylon, or the Scarlet Woman. You know, again, they're obsessed with this idea of the Scarlet Woman in Babylon.

00;10;14;07 - 00;10;40;06
Unknown
And they want to incorporate her into a human form, which Parsons would then have sex with and create a moonchild, through pregnancy. Right. And the moonchild gets pretty interesting, too, that I've heard these rituals reference. We've even reference them a lot. The mantra working in the Babylon working rituals. But we never got really into the goals of those different rituals.

00;10;40;06 - 00;11;07;12
Unknown
And I think that that. Yeah, really relevant. I'm sure, some of our female listeners can relate. I mean, how many times have they been approached by a man calling them the Scarlet Woman and wanting a child with them? Not this again. So in occult terms, the moon child is a magical child. It's a being that's conceived not through biological means or not just through biological means.

00;11;07;12 - 00;11;35;21
Unknown
Biological needs are required. To your point. But it does also require intense ritual, to serve as a vessel for a spiritual force. And the idea here is that if you birthed a child during a high stakes ritual, being from another dimension would see it all and then use the child as their vessel. And now that being is incarnated in human form in the real world.

00;11;35;23 - 00;12;01;09
Unknown
Right. It's very much like them trying to bring in an Antichrist. And they were they they definitely were. But you and I were just discussing how nebulous this definition of Satanism gets, because you really have to believe in Christianity in order to believe in Satan. And they didn't really believe in Christianity, so they just hated Christianity, and they were trying to bring in an Antichrist.

00;12;01;11 - 00;12;26;13
Unknown
And the Collin's elite sees all this and they go, well, that's how the devil gets in him. And they go, oh, this is the devil's final deception. And they're using all these people. Now, where did they get that idea? Because these are top military scientists, bureaucrats, financial elites. It included some politicians. So these are people of power and wealth and education.

00;12;26;14 - 00;12;58;17
Unknown
Where did they get these ideas? Because they actually had some basis for thinking this right? Right. They start getting the idea really right after Roswell. You know, Roswell happens in 47. And then that, I think scared a lot of people. And we can look at cases like the Lonnie Zamora case, very famous case where a policeman encounters, some aliens that were taking soil samples, which, you know, as bullet points out, is clearly a staged little joke that they were doing on him.

00;12;58;17 - 00;13;30;16
Unknown
But they were taking soil samples and he drives his car up and he sees all this. And one of the more interesting things about that case is that he drives straight to a preacher. He drives straight to his his church to go talk to his pastor. Is he immediately has all this, you know, theological shock. Yeah. You can kind of see where where it goes like they, instead of aliens fundamentalist, immediately see demons and it's true.

00;13;30;18 - 00;14;01;25
Unknown
The UFO modern wave really kicks off right after all that, right after Parsons and Hubbard do their rituals, then comes Kenneth Arnold. Like right after. And so Margaret Cameron, the woman that he was using as a scarlet lady, and I should say that both Hubbard and Parsons, they both thought that the Babylon ritual worked because Marjorie Cameron shows up, like at Parsons house right after kind of out of the blue.

00;14;01;25 - 00;14;22;23
Unknown
And Parsons said, oh, this is her, this is the Scarlet Lady, and I'm going to incarnate a moonchild. So he starts having, you know, incarnate relations with her. And Hubbard sits next to her and Parsons while they're doing it and is the scribe, because that's how a lot of these rituals work. And they. I'm glad you're working, too.

00;14;22;24 - 00;14;50;23
Unknown
It's like during the act, the woman channels of being and then, you know, tells you what the being is saying. And so Hubbard is sitting there taking notes like he's taking notes. The founder of Scientology, folks, I'm sure we're not the first ones to use air quotes for taking notes. And that's right, man, magic gets weird. So they thought it worked.

00;14;51;01 - 00;15;11;13
Unknown
So they thought Marjorie Cameron was the Scarlet Lady and that Parsons was on his way to creating a moonchild. And so Marjorie Cameron, after Parsons blows himself up, ends up getting really interested in this because she thought it worked too. And there were a number of people involved who were like, yeah, it all worked. Crowley yep, it all worked.

00;15;11;13 - 00;15;35;26
Unknown
And this is this occult invasion. So they actually agree, right? They kind of agree with the Collins. Yeah. Who agree with us. And that's why I was going into the timeline of when I learned about all of this stuff, because we did our research independently. And I think the our audience who likes us, you know, understands and appreciates the value of that.

00;15;35;26 - 00;15;58;13
Unknown
Like, we. Yes. Jack Delay and Jonquil went and already did it, but we went and did it again like we did it from zero. And without them. So and we if we get to the same place, it ends up being more of a state of confirmation and closer to proof. So we actually agree with all of them. Yeah.

00;15;58;16 - 00;16;24;21
Unknown
But what we don't agree with is how they interpret it all. So you guys know how I love timelines, and I think you're gonna love the timeline that I love right now, because I have chronological notes on the story of final events, and I'll publish these on ten went along with the upset. So the shift into demonic theory really starts in 1952, and the members of Collins leave even one of Nick Redferns informants named Richard Duke, which, as we said, is a pseudonym for someone.

00;16;24;23 - 00;16;45;00
Unknown
He was high up in the government, and he decided to move away from the theory that these things were Soviet weapons, because that was the other thing that they were all worried about. And people even still throw this around today, as we've discussed. Yeah. Oh, these are all just Russian weapons of some sort that they write. What do I want for what and when?

00;16;45;00 - 00;17;21;25
Unknown
How, when? Anyway. That's silly. So the Collins elite realize that too. And they move away from it and towards a demonic interpretation of the phenomenon. Somewhere around 1952 53. And then Army intelligence conducts research into mental telepathy and ESP was we've talked about many times project Stargate and many other things, but that research really gets into high gear in that time, post-World War two, because it's coming in reaction to a Soviet programs that are doing the same thing, and they're like they're building psychic spies.

00;17;21;25 - 00;17;53;20
Unknown
We have to like spy. The the Collins elite is seeing all that. And they're like, well, this is it. I mean, now they're doing remote viewing and ESP and this is basically witchcraft. And so what's up? And a division begins between a scientific and more functional portion of the government who's like, whatever this is, we need to be the ones to find it and master it first in order to maintain a strategic advantage.

00;17;53;20 - 00;18;15;21
Unknown
And then you have the Collins elite saying, oh, I think it might be a deception, a demonic deception. And the Collins elite during that time began to believe that whatever entity that was recovered and the Roswell crash and that gets confirmed here too, and that's been talked about many times, that at least one live entity came out of the Roswell crash.

00;18;15;25 - 00;18;55;02
Unknown
And then they did eventually communicate with it, and they called it E. And they believed that Ebby was giving them technology secrets or scientific secrets, but it was doing so with a demonic agenda, and that all of these things that it was giving them were turning out bad. And I don't think they got into too much specifics with Redfern as to what those things were, but they were basically saying that they these things were like the jinn, like the, you know, or badgering, you know, where they were giving you something, but it would always end up being detrimental to your life.

00;18;55;05 - 00;19;20;12
Unknown
And in this case, society. Right. So that division becomes important because we know that that division exists today. We have people like Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, who came out later, long after this book was published and dismissed by a lot of the UFO community. They came out later and said, yes, there are these fundamentalist types in the government that are preventing UFO disclosure or controlling it.

00;19;20;15 - 00;19;41;26
Unknown
And then there are another wing of people studying it, and there's sometimes 3 or 4 of these different programs competing with each other. So there's not a single answer to this question. The answer is that 4 or 5 different groups, just like when we talk about who runs the world, the answer is there are a bunch of competing nodes.

00;19;41;28 - 00;20;06;14
Unknown
Yeah. And that's happening within the government over UAP stuff. This Collins Elite is one of those competing nodes, which I would say right now is absolutely in power. Yeah for sure. So this really ties up what we've been talking about. And I just kind of been sensing this, I guess a little bit or thought I maybe sensed that underneath all of this and it really brought it home for me and confirmed it.

00;20;06;14 - 00;20;38;27
Unknown
All these Collins elite are part of this dominion, dispensation list selling the apocalypse. Push. They're part of all of it. And I will prove it to you by the end of the podcast. So around 1960, one of the Redferns informants, Richard Duke, he says his final task was investigating a psychic named Ruth Montgomery who popularized a theory called walk in, which meant souls being replaced by other entities.

00;20;38;29 - 00;21;16;14
Unknown
Sounds very similar to that Babylon working ritual. So at this point, you know, the Collins Elite is looking into the idea that these beings, which they believe are demons. So from their point of view, demons are inhabiting people. They're also invading us with the intention of building an extraterrestrial narrative out here. And they're ultimately going to use that extraterrestrial narrative in a Project Blue Beam like fashion, where they're going to project all of these different gods all over different parts of the globe who worship those types of gods.

00;21;16;14 - 00;21;36;15
Unknown
So over the West, it would be mostly Christian and Jesus would appear, and over India it would be like Krishna or Shiva over the Middle East it would be like Mohammed. And they would say, look, we are all of these things. We gave you all of these things, and now we're ready for you to understand that we are your progenitors.

00;21;36;18 - 00;22;04;20
Unknown
And to the Collins elite, that was the devil's final play. They thought we would all believe that. And then that would turn us away from Christianity. That's right. Wheatley ignores the fact that over half the world is Christian, right? Already. So. Right. So they already have this doomsday. Outlook set in their minds. Yes. I will go into the theology of why they are wrong.

00;22;04;23 - 00;22;22;09
Unknown
But, you know, it's hard to talk to a fundamentalist about why they're wrong because they pull out specific things and they say, I'm only going to listen to this one thing or this one verse in the Bible. Right? And I'm not going to listen to all the other verses and theologians that contradict it, even Jesus. Right. Of course.

00;22;22;09 - 00;22;43;04
Unknown
And so then in the 60s and 70s, the Collins elite see this getting into black magic territory. And there's a huge occult revival at this time, too. So they see all this happening and they're like, this is it. This is the devil at work. And the Betty and Barney Hill abduction occurs, and the Collins elite analyze the case.

00;22;43;06 - 00;23;04;20
Unknown
And they believe that these are mental attack visions. They think that these were done by spiritual kidnapers rather than, you know, ETS. That's a pretty advanced view. Even if they got there through folklore. But I think that they were looking at both. They were looking at science and evidence. They were just interpreting it through a folkloric lens. Right, right.

00;23;04;22 - 00;23;37;17
Unknown
And then in 72, a operation MK often begins, and there were a number of programs under operation MK ultra, which is ultimately what the government and these are established. This is part of history. You can Wikipedia it. They were engaged in mind control programs back in the 60s and 70s. And then there were a bunch of programs under that MK ultra parent program, and one of them was MK often, which many of the records were destroyed around these things.

00;23;37;17 - 00;24;02;19
Unknown
So all we have are Witness and rumor and usando. And in the case of MK, often that involves the occult. According to some researchers and authors, that's what happened. The government got involved and the occult sometimes left hand paths, sometimes right. Empath. They were getting into channeling and according to them, they contacted a famous British witch named Sybil Week.

00;24;02;21 - 00;24;28;23
Unknown
And she did a seance with them, essentially. And she channeled an entity during the seance which told them that it was deceiving them, that it was laughing at them and mocking them, and that they were never going to beat it, and it was going to destroy Christianity. And they were right, but they were never going to be able to stop it.

00;24;28;25 - 00;24;53;21
Unknown
And some of the Collins elite wisely got a little suspicious after that and thought maybe Sybil Leek understood what they wanted to hear and was just telling them that. Right. Channeling that they mind you, they had no scientific instruments to they weren't measuring EMF or anything that would give them some indication that something supernatural was actually happening. It was all, trust me, bro.

00;24;53;21 - 00;25;19;12
Unknown
Was Sybil like, right? Interesting. But they took it to heart. She must had a very convincing British accent. They are charming people. So right around 1973, they start asking people if they've had out-of-body experiences or if they've been abducted by UFOs. The government starts to get really into to that, and the Collins elite gets really into that, and the public starts to report a bunch of cases of it.

00;25;19;12 - 00;25;47;22
Unknown
And then this goes all the way in the 90s. So there was the abductee phenomenon was contact. It was really big in the 90s. And they thought that this New Age movement was a outcrop of this attempt to take over Christianity, which was being done by UFO entities. So you can see how it gets all blended. And, you know, I think it's smart that we kind of exclude the culture right now, but we've discussed the satanic panic and things like that before.

00;25;47;22 - 00;26;14;00
Unknown
So that's all happening at the same time. And that's not a coincidence. Like these are all the same folks. They go to the same church. They're they're sharing the same beliefs. And, you know, there's everything that's going on with the church at the time, and it ends up getting involved into the government's response on UFOs, which we've said for a long time now, and we've had whistleblowers say repeatedly.

00;26;14;02 - 00;26;43;20
Unknown
But their conclusion from all of these contact and abductee events were that the news or non-human entities or demons were feeding on human energy and emotions, fear, pain, sexual energy. And their ultimate goal was to harvest the human soul. They just kept feeding like a parasite until they could eventually take over. Okay, I have heard this before from someone in the public and we were like,

00;26;43;23 - 00;27;11;23
Unknown
Where'd you hear that? And why do you have a problem with us? And that someone is harmed along from blink 182? Why am I talking like that? Where did you hear that, Tom? Right. Where did you hear about humans getting their souls eaten? And that this was all a big thing? So? So guess who I think Tom DeLong is in bed with?

00;27;11;25 - 00;27;39;08
Unknown
Well, couldn't be the Collins leak. I don't know, I guess it could. So he's an active member or. Well, he's clearly in touch with them. They're clearly in touch with him. Jim Semi van is bro. Like he's clearly in touch with these people. And these are political games right. So if you want to get UFO stuff, if you want to get in with the UFO crowd, that's who they are.

00;27;39;09 - 00;28;06;14
Unknown
This is one huge node of power in the government who has access to the data and the information. Yeah. And they are the Collins elite and this is what they believe. So you want to play games. You got to wear the robe. Yeah. It really is an interesting perspective because you know we talk about how Nye our, you know, folklore generators or you know, play a part in human history.

00;28;06;16 - 00;28;30;18
Unknown
And they, they believe in that and, they have their own spin on it, but they, they, they believe in it and they've institutionalized it. And, you know, hold great power. Exactly. And then what did they do with that power? And how do you enact your solutions and what solutions are there? We're almost there. Let's keep going.

00;28;30;24 - 00;28;58;17
Unknown
So in the 90s, these guys contact Ray Bosch, who I mentioned is a famous 14 as well, and a good one. And he's also a priest. There's some of us who are pastors and priests. Sure. And they provide him with evidence, including autopsy photos of victims killed by psychic methods. This has been rumored to happen a long time here, where two DoD witnesses and presented evidence of that.

00;28;58;20 - 00;29;27;21
Unknown
And that, my friends, is a report that is how a report works. You gather a bunch of those reports and you can form a pattern, maybe find something scientific off of that, but don't blame someone because that's all they have. You write that you should thank them, right? Right. And the Collins Elite develop a report, apparently, that goes around the government that basically says UFOs are a Trojan horse intended to lead humanity into a one world government.

00;29;27;23 - 00;29;40;04
Unknown
Oh, geez, we're going there. That is owned by the Antichrist. There we are. Yeah, okay.

00;29;40;07 - 00;29;58;03
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. So that sort of brings us into today, or at least to the times when Nick writes his book. And Nick's kind of been off the grid for a couple of years, and I want to respect that. I didn't reach out to him before this episode. Nick, if you would like us to say anything further or talk about it, please let us know.

00;29;58;06 - 00;30;35;19
Unknown
Yeah, but the book gets published in 2010. I read the book New Year's Eve weekend. We had already established that our operational timeline for the theocratic takeover had begun in 2010. So you can imagine my surprise when I'm reading on New Year's Eve day on the new Kindle that I just got for Christmas. This book, which is talking about everything that we've talked about in our research and verifying that there is a group in the government that has this theocratic bent, and then it's talking about the solutions that they see.

00;30;35;21 - 00;30;57;14
Unknown
How do we handle this? Because you and I have kind of pitched a few different solutions because in our view, if you take this past demons, you can start to actually look at what this might be scientifically, if we have to redefine what we see as physics in order to defend ourselves, let us do so. So all right, that's what we've talked about.

00;30;57;19 - 00;31;27;21
Unknown
And in our alien abductions, the switch article, I think I've mentioned, we even have the concept plans for a Demon blaster. I think it's just a matter of finding the right frequency. It'll probably work like just don't cross the streams or. But that's where we went with solutions because we can look beyond the folklore. Now, if you absolutely believe the folklore and let me just say, I don't want to be enemies with these people, I think we agree on more things than we don't like.

00;31;27;21 - 00;31;55;10
Unknown
It's like I said about Tom long, like just stop at the fundamentalist part. Like, let's focus on what we agree on. I agree that these things are what people have been calling demons in some cases. Right? Right. So we agree there. Let's figure out what they are. Yeah. But their solution was, hey, how about we take over the US and turn everyone Christian.

00;31;55;12 - 00;32;31;07
Unknown
Right, right, right. Weird take I said not that. Yeah. I'm not just riffing off of what we just did. Yeah. This is what I read afterward. So as this is what Robert Manners, who was one of Nick's witnesses, said to him in 2010, I'm going to read you the following from the book. This is Final Events by Nick Radford in February 2010, I asked Robert Manners why the US military was apparently being indoctrinated into an army of literal Christian soldiers with a solid acceptance of end time scenarios.

00;32;31;10 - 00;32;56;11
Unknown
After all, I said to him in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and who knows where next? Wouldn't the military just go ahead and follow orders anyway, even if they weren't of a fundamentalist and ten times dominated mindset, manners looked grim. They would, he said. That's what they're trained to do follow orders. But you're missing the point.

00;32;56;13 - 00;33;24;01
Unknown
The whole point of creating an army of God has less to do with the Middle East, and more to do with preparing the troops for the day they come home. When religious fascism, the New World order, the hologram things we told you about comes right here to the US, right? He was saying religious fascism in 2010. That was the plan.

00;33;24;03 - 00;33;57;27
Unknown
And the plan was being executed by the Collins elite in order to prevent the demonic invasion of UFOs. These were high level billionaires. These were military industrial complex gurus. These were scientists, these were generals. These were people who held power and money, and that's what they wanted. So this is one of our nodes, right? I mean, we found the Nar node and it's aligned with this node in the government that absolutely connects to UFOs.

00;33;57;29 - 00;34;20;11
Unknown
Yeah, it's pretty wild. Thanks to all of you who stuck with us through this crazy season of twists and turns going, how are they going to wrap this all up? There were definitely times when I did not know, but Nick Redfern helped us out here, and I think he helps us wrap up a bunch of these threads and gives us more context, even into our modern times.

00;34;20;14 - 00;34;42;22
Unknown
But manners goes on to say if and okay, it is still and if our country becomes enslaved under a government that's going to use religious fear to control the population and lock us down from the rest of the world, the people running the show will need someone to run that control no matter what. And that's what they're doing right now.

00;34;42;24 - 00;35;09;06
Unknown
They're slowly growing and creating an army of guards, soldiers that are going to police the US and as they see it, keep the invaders, the demons at bay. Isn't that amazing? It is amazing. That's exactly what we just described in our episode right before. Yeah I read the book and then I'm like the book was written in 2010.

00;35;09;06 - 00;35;37;08
Unknown
We described our episode last week like, yeah, wow. It came true. And you know, so it was confirmation that our research into the operational part of this was writing. It's also more context into the why of it all. And it. Yeah, absolutely ties into UFOs because, hey, those suckers are real. Yeah. It's interesting too, because, you know, you mentioned the, it wasn't all about the Middle East.

00;35;37;11 - 00;36;09;28
Unknown
But I remember hearing, you know, during the Iraq War, hearing, a leaked story about how there were generals, in the Iraq War who believed that there was a biblical message in the US Army fighting in Babylon, where there were a number of these people. I mean, I met some of them, like they they. Okay, it doesn't really matter if the orders are to go to Iraq and some people are doing so for biblical means and others are doing for constitutional means in the end, like, and that was the great thing about the military.

00;36;09;29 - 00;36;36;19
Unknown
Like, it didn't really matter. We're all on the same team, right? Right. But matters again continues. He is. Can you imagine the entire country maybe ten years from now and after the next nine, 11, a dirty bomb in a big city, maybe policed and controlled by the US military, an army totally convinced and believing that what they're doing is according to what God wants and that will save the US from the satanic threat.

00;36;36;21 - 00;37;02;23
Unknown
That's the crux of what's going on. Indoctrinate the troops today for when they're needed here tomorrow. I call it biblical big brother. Just watch. Ten years from now, the US military will be indistinguishable from religious warriors. He wrote this in 2010 and oh man, yeah, this guy is saying it. His witness is coming out and saying, I'm not cool with this.

00;37;02;23 - 00;37;23;02
Unknown
I'm a part of this Collins Elite and I'm not okay with this. This is not the right response. And he is absolutely right. Brave man. Thank you. Yeah. And that's the plan to save the country by keeping it under a religious iron fist and enforcing Christianity on everyone. But if that's to be the future of Christianity, I'm not sure it's worth it.

00;37;23;05 - 00;37;50;06
Unknown
It's not the Christianity I want taught because it's not Christianity, bro. Right. It's not. You're looking for the devil. You're looking for who hijacked the church. Maybe you should look in the mirror. Yeah, yeah. When you talk about that. Yeah. I always think about this fairy, I guess. I don't know where the story comes from, but I hear it all the time about the dark side of the moon and how there's soul.

00;37;50;09 - 00;38;11;27
Unknown
There's alien structures there that are capturing souls. Yes. And then there's the reptile theory that says the reptiles are the ones capturing the souls. Right? And then they go, well, the reptiles are actually demons. And then, you know, so it all comes back here like, yeah, it all tracks from here, it all tracks back to here. That's kind of our job is to go find this source.

00;38;11;29 - 00;38;42;08
Unknown
And it continued theme of media control with theological intent that it does that you know there. Yeah. The infected if you will ufology. There's YouTube pastors there's viral prophets and podcast apostles who are forming a parallel church. And it's parallel to the teachings of Jesus Christ. So, yeah, I think you got to look at this less simply, like, oh, UFOs, demons.

00;38;42;11 - 00;39;10;09
Unknown
Oh, I should do all of the things that the Bible tells me not to do to fight the dude. Yeah. You're murdering people in the middle of the street. Yeah. This is not biblical. This is not Christ like. So, you know, it isn't fringe anymore. There's sermons before Senate hearings, right? Right. So we have two sides today. We have a side of this that says, look, we're waking up to a new reality here.

00;39;10;09 - 00;39;37;20
Unknown
You have Bledsoe and many others saying 2026, 2027. You know, these are going to be pivotal years where we're going to wake up to some sort of new reality and then the fundamentalist reaction to that is if we do, that would be demonic. That would be the devil's final deception. Right? Right. And all of these people are fighting over control, over UFO disclosure.

00;39;37;22 - 00;40;09;05
Unknown
Both materials and the knowledge and information and the technology. So these are the things that are at bay here that are that are keeping it held back. And then you got to wonder, how does the phenomenon play into that? Because it's aware of all of that. Right? Right. Right. And I think that's a good question for us to continue to research and try to answer, because I'm sure that whatever chess moves they think that they're making, they're definitely two, two boards below that.

00;40;09;06 - 00;40;56;10
Unknown
Yeah. Dominance. Doing. I don't know.

00;40;56;13 - 00;41;22;13
Unknown
But. This book Final Events that I mentioned was kind of dismissed by the UFO community. And now I hope it will be looked at again with some fresh eyes, because you're seeing all of this stuff happen. And we independently confirmed that there's good reason to compare this UFO phenomenon to demonology. Yeah, doesn't mean that they are demons. It just means that there's good reason to believe that.

00;41;22;13 - 00;41;43;22
Unknown
So both that and then Redferns work that captured people talking about what was going to be happening now, and I was looking around and seeing that it's happening now. Yeah. All provides greater confirmation that this is what we're really dealing with. And it's an answer to a lot of different things that we've been asking about here and ties our work together.

00;41;43;24 - 00;42;11;19
Unknown
The truth hides where no one wants to look. It's inside of a religious bureaucracy and involves some spiritual paranoia that is just really super touchy. And it bothers me that we talk about this, and I know it turns some people off because maybe they do have fundamentalist views, but I do know that there are some fundamentalist folks that listen to this show, and I really try to be sensitive about what I'm saying because I want to be respectful of your views.

00;42;11;24 - 00;42;40;01
Unknown
Sure. I don't think that this follows a fundamentalist idea of Christianity either. Right. Thou shalt not kill. Pretty standard, right? When we think about the interpretation of of UAPs throughout history, you know, we in there are there's there's a lot of positive to it too. Like we talk about how they could be interpreted as angels or people had hopeful interpretations of what they're seeing.

00;42;40;03 - 00;43;01;23
Unknown
But it's almost like I always think of George Carlin because it were the people that were on their own, individuals seeing the phenomenon and spinning it as a positive thing because it's a real personal experience for them. But I always think of George Carlin and how he's always says, don't never underestimate the power of stupid, stupid people in large groups.

00;43;01;25 - 00;43;35;05
Unknown
You got this phenomenon. You got a group of people. Now who are obviously bound by dogma, religious dogma, interpreting the same phenomenon, and it becomes a, a negative thing. You know, it becomes a demonic thing. Yeah. It ends up being this very simplistic binary view of the world, which they say these columns, elite types say is the truth, and that any attempt to get us away from that binary division is demonic.

00;43;35;09 - 00;44;03;08
Unknown
Right? I mean, like the new iPhone versus old iPhone sort of mentality where. But that's such a simplistic way of looking at the universe, right? If I have something good that happens to me, it's an angel. If I have something bad that happens to me, that's supernatural. It's a demon. So in many cases, these psychics, this channel or these mediums has said they think that they're dealing with the same being that interacts with them differently at different times.

00;44;03;10 - 00;44;27;13
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. And then other times they appear to be different beings and we can find traces of this all the way back into the 1600s with Robert Kirk's work, when we talked about like the boggart versus the brownie, they thought the brownie was a helpful spirit that would help right around the house. And the boggart was something that was negative, and it would disrupt your house, and you could turn a brownie into a boggart if you were mean to it.

00;44;27;13 - 00;44;45;29
Unknown
They didn't say you could turn an angel into a demon, right? Right. You know, it's the same behaviors, the same supernatural, if you will, behaviors that they're anomalous behaviors. I prefer to call it that, that they're talking about, that they're talking about stuff getting knocked over in their house, or they're talking about waking up and finding hot water there.

00;44;46;01 - 00;45;11;10
Unknown
You know, maybe it was just the ferry feeling different that day and, you know, got a good night's sleep or something. Right? But they reduce it into these angel and demons binary categories. Yeah. And that's fine if you want to take that as your spiritual or theocratic view. But an objective analyst or scientist or researcher knows how to put their faith in beliefs into one bucket and their objectivity into another.

00;45;11;10 - 00;45;33;18
Unknown
And none of us are perfect at it. But the closer you can get to, you know, perfect objectivity, the more you can get to the truth. And that's what we strive for here. We're certainly not perfect at it, but we were always mindful of it. So this seems like such a dense topic that we should probably revisit this again, if not multiple times.

00;45;33;20 - 00;45;52;13
Unknown
You know, this is happening now and it's important. And also, I need to read this book because it sounds really good. Yeah, everyone should read the book. Go ahead and purchase it. Nick is a good guy. You shouldn't feel bad about giving him your money. And he suffered for this work. Yeah, a little bit. So, you know, I think it's just recompense.

00;45;52;18 - 00;46;14;07
Unknown
Yeah. I didn't realize he he was connected with Tönnies either, which he, he wrote one of my favorite books on the phenomenon. Yeah, well, it's funny that you know Tönnies but not read for. And I think a lot of people in the ufology world are the reverse, but, yeah, we're just such big fans of Mac that, you know, we bring him up a lot.

00;46;14;07 - 00;46;44;18
Unknown
But Nick is super prolific. He's written many, many books, I think over 60. Oh, okay. Books on 14. And he's done, like him and Lauren Coleman, he always competed for my number six or number seven in for Tianna. But Nick just moved up a couple of notches after reading this shout out to him and shout out to our sponsor listening, who has vegan skin care for anti-aging and acne.

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Unknown
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00;47;08;12 - 00;47;34;10
Unknown
Yeah, for sure, I use that. The very toney face cream. It worked great. And knowing it, knowing it doesn't damage my liver is a pretty good plus. But, didn't you have you had a victory lap related to Cheney? You won. Yeah. Take take the lap. All right. Yeah, I got to gloat on this one a little bit because Dave Grush did an interview, the first one in over a year, I think, on Megan Kelly.

00;47;34;15 - 00;47;54;14
Unknown
And, you know, folks should check that out. And she was prompting him as to who was in charge of the UFO fan and the one big name that he dropped his even called him Darth Vader himself. He's a Dick Cheney. Yeah. And I was like, oh, we told you that two years ago. Yeah. And I had no insider access.

00;47;54;14 - 00;48;19;09
Unknown
I had no special, confidential, classified, authority in order to get all that, they had trillions of dollars. They had an army of bureaucrats, an actual army, and every type of cyber warfare and security at their disposal. And I had a laptop and Cheeto dust on my socks because I couldn't find a napkin.

00;48;19;11 - 00;48;36;14
Unknown
Oh, man. You still doing that? But he isn't. He isn't mentioned often, though, is he? I mean, he should be, but he's not. Yeah. Why not? And why did we name him two years before that? I even said his name on THC, and I got all nervous, and Greg was like, why are you getting nervous about naming names?

00;48;36;21 - 00;49;04;21
Unknown
Because when we name a name, it's not speculative. When we name a name, I think it's a very sacred moment and open source analysis. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm sure it's Dick. Did you ever think you would love Dick this much? Bones? I don't know how to answer that. Oh, Dick Cheney. No. Yeah. Yeah, I you know, I have my opinions, but we'll wrap it up there.

00;49;04;23 - 00;49;29;24
Unknown
Thanks, Ram, for a great discussion. We are going to get into this a little bit further, in later episodes, but hey, happy New Year. Thank you everyone for listening and have a good one. Until next time, take care of y'all. Thanks for listening.

00;49;29;27 - 00;49;30;29
Unknown
You.