Bold (w/ Tomi Lahren)

We are back 'In the Booth'! Join us as we navigate through the stormy waters of politics and life with our bold & fearless guest, Tomi Lahren. With more than 8 million followers on social media, she is known for her unfiltered commentary on cultural trends and politics. She's not just a media personality, but a powerhouse of conservative views who isn't afraid to voice her opinion.  We reflect on the significance of open conversations, especially in the face of the rising cancel culture.

From a small town in South Dakota to the youngest political talk show host in history, we follow the journey of Tomi. Listen in as she sheds light on her experiences, challenges, and the personal sacrifices that come with being a public figure with strong political views. 

Tomi quizzes me on my political stance by engaging me in a thought-provoking discussion on various topics, aiming to uncover the depth of my conservative or liberal beliefs. With a series of tough questions on border security, gun control, climate change, and even abortion, she puts me in the hot seat.

We encourage and underline the importance of critical thinking in a society swayed by social media and the noisy cacophony of extreme opinions. Whether you're a novice to politics (like myself) or a seasoned expert (like Tomi), this episode promises a riveting exploration into American politics, society, and everything in between. As we tackle these hot topics, we hope you're inspired to join in the dialogue and explore beyond surface-level political discourse. So prepare to question, learn, and above all, join the conversation!

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:07

Welcome back to In the Booth. I'm Sean Booth and we appreciate you listening Wherever you're listening from. Maybe you're in Cranston, rhode Island, maybe you're in Dover, delaware, or maybe you're in Derry, new Hampshire. Wherever you are, we love you and we hope you're having the best day. As of Friday, the 8th, we are still currently on Baby Watch. We've got an induction scheduled for later tonight, monday the 11th, and their official due date is tomorrow, the 12th. So we'll be sure to keep you guys posted, and the support from all of you guys has been incredible. It's been very heartwarming to read all the kind messages the baby's already so loved and we couldn't be more excited. So we're gonna keep the positive vibes going here as we enter the due date week. With that being said, I'm very excited for this episode.

Speaker 1 0:53

If you remember back to my teaser for the podcast, I explained that I want to have conversations with all different types of people, people from all walks of life, people with different beliefs and views. I love sitting down with interesting people who have very cool background stories. I want to clarify here that I'm not a very political person. Politics are actually frustrating to me and I truly believe that anybody who's too extreme left or too extreme right creates a lot of division. I believe in things from both sides of the aisle and in this episode, tommy actually quizzes me to see how conservative or how liberal I actually am, which is a little nerve-wracking but fun. I don't necessarily agree with her in all the stances she takes. What I do admire about Tommy is that she's not afraid to speak her mind and stand up for what she believes in. You can say what she wants, but that's not easy to do so without further ado.

Speaker 1 1:44

Our guest today, she has risen to national prominence as a media personality. She is known for her bold and unfiltered conservative commentary and signature. Bold takes on cultural trends and politics. She is the youngest political talk show host in history, with more than 8 million plus social media followers. She has become a social media sensation and known for her viral videos. She is also a Fox News media contributor with a segment that has syndicated three times per weekday across more than 160 Fox News radio stations. She is the host of Tommy Lahren is fearless on OutKickcom. Everybody, please welcome Tommy Lahren.

Speaker 2 2:24

Well, thank you for having me and you're not cancelled yet. So I think you're just going for the gold. Here you are, my show not cancelled. Then you thought, hey, let's just try to run all the bases, bring me on your show and just play with fire a little bit, but I love it, I love you, you got it right. Bold, you're bold, I'm bold. You might be more bold having me, but I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 1 2:45

This might put the nail in the coffin for me. We will see. But it's funny that you say that because when I was on your show you were like you are very courageous for sitting in that seat and you made a joke about it, talking about how quick people are to judge and to cancel others. And you know there are going to be people who just see this clip, who see photos. They won't even listen to the conversation that we have today and they're going to be like screw that guy, I'm not following that guy anymore, let's try and ruin his career. How dangerous and how crazy is that in today's society?

Speaker 2 3:17

It's crazy, because if we want to get somewhere where we can be friendly towards people with differing viewpoints, we have to talk to those people. You and I probably agree on some things, probably not a lot on other things, but why does that matter? Why can we not talk? And, by the way, I don't anticipate that we're going to sit here and debate, like Middle East policy or, you know, capitalism versus socialism. Outside of all that, I am a human being and I have a life as well, and I think that's why I think we need more conversations with people that don't just center around who we vote for or the letter behind our name. It's just can we just talk and be normal people? Maybe the country would be better off if those conversations happened more.

Speaker 1 3:55

Exactly, I love that and that's what I want to talk about. Talk about life. Talk about life outside of your career, and you were from a small town in South Dakota.

Speaker 2 4:04

Well, South Dakota is a small city.

Speaker 1 4:06

Every city is a small city, but I'm from.

Speaker 2 4:10

if you've ever heard of Mount Rushmore, that's what I have to tell people you know, because they don't usually know of South Dakota. They think we're just one state, Dakota, but yes, Mount Rushmore is where I'm from, that area.

Speaker 1 4:20

Okay, and I went to Mount Rushmore before I felt like it was a little underwhelming. I don't know if it's because of the movie Richie Rich that I thought it was going to be this huge grand thing, but I felt like it was a lot smaller in person. Do people say that? Are you sure you?

Speaker 2 4:33

were at the right one.

Speaker 1 4:34

I have never heard someone tell me they were underwhelmed by Mount Rushmore, but I will tell you this.

Speaker 2 4:40

In high school I worked at a place like a tourist trap called Reptile Gardens. We had a replica of Mount Rushmore that was about three feet tall. Okay, and it was home and I can't tell you the number of tourists that thought that was the Mount Rushmore and I'm almost thinking maybe you were one of those people.

Speaker 1 4:55

I might be. Who saw a replica here? I am.

Speaker 2 4:57

I've never heard anyone say yeah. It looks smaller in person.

Speaker 1 5:01

I'm glad to be the first, and so with the presidents in your backyard, then out of mountain. Is that how you started getting into politics?

Speaker 2 5:08

Honestly, I just wanted to be a voice for people that nobody cared about, and when I say that I mean the forgotten Americans, people in the Midwest, people in middle America, people in South Dakota, north Dakota, wyoming, montana that people don't talk about or it doesn't seem like we're covered much, and I've always had a lot of opinions, so I thought maybe I could be that voice in some way shape or form. And then I've just done this for as long as I can remember.

Speaker 1 5:33

And where'd you go to school?

Speaker 2 5:34

Ready for this one UNLV in Las Vegas. So yes, people say oh, you're from South.

Speaker 1 5:40

Dakota.

Speaker 2 5:40

You just a small town person. I said, yeah, but I went to school in Las Vegas about two miles from the strip, so you get the best of both worlds when you do that.

Speaker 1 5:48

Okay, and then you've moved all over the place. You're out in LA, you're back here in Tennessee and when I was on your show I said is it tough for you to meet friends? And you said depends on where I am in the country and in Tennessee a little more welcoming, because it's a red state.

Speaker 2 6:04

Tennessee, texas, florida great. New York not great. California not great. But living there was an interesting experience. I feel like I learned a lot and I learned a lot about the politics of California. I use it as a warning for those who live in Tennessee not to take in those policies and adopt them. But California was rough for me. I mean I lived in the South Bay, so Redondo, hermosa Beach area of LA, and I couldn't leave there Like I couldn't cross the 405. Santa Monica death trap for me, weho death trap for me. I don't dare go there. I've had women in Santa Monica kick me, scream things at me, throw things at me. It's just not a hospital place. It's actually dangerous. I have people following me around the grocery store. Just not a good time to be in California when Trump derangement syndrome was at its peak.

Speaker 1 6:59

Well, that's what I was going to ask you, because I'm like I wonder if you're going to show up here with, like, a bodyguard. You have to go places with a team because people are so cruel out there, and when you get into the political world it's a whole different ballgame. So when you go out to public places, like if you want to go out to a restaurant with your husband, or you're going to the grocery store, like you said, people come up to you all the time, or what.

Speaker 2 7:20

In Tennessee, it's positive.

Speaker 1 7:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2 7:21

In Tennessee it's great. I mean Nashville. People are very nice to me. Only incident I've ever had here is one day we were walking I was with my then boyfriend, now husband in Midtown, and some girl threw eggs at us from like the sixth story of an apartment building and said some nice words and threw eggs at us. That was really it for me as far as people being nasty here in Nashville, so nothing like it is in LA. Here it's an accolade to be conservative for the most part.

Speaker 2 7:53

You know I get into little things on Twitter with like the Marin Morris's of the world, who are, in my opinion, vile, but other than that I mean. Tennessee is not a dangerous place for me.

Speaker 1 8:02

Yeah, like you said, we probably don't agree on everything, but one thing that I love about you is that you're able to just stand by what you say and you don't care about what anybody else thinks of that, which is fantastic, and I think a lot of people are afraid to say how they actually feel. But I gotta imagine at some point in your career or your life was it hard for you getting criticism to an extent, like you said, where people were throwing stuff at you Like I'm sure you're used to it now for many years? Was there a point in your life where you were just like sitting at home, sitting on your couch, or being like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have said that? Or have you always just been straight in your beliefs and not care about that stuff?

Speaker 2 8:43

It really doesn't bother me. And people say, oh, you know it must bother you. You just say it doesn't bother you, it really does not bother me. Yes, it sucks to go into environments sometimes and have to watch your back. Or people are trying to record you or people are trying to take pictures. That's not fun just because it's annoying and you feel like you're being watched. But that's anybody. That's not just that they hate you. They could like you and do the same thing For me. It's more my family members.

Speaker 1 9:09

Right.

Speaker 2 9:09

Because they don't know how to handle it. I was in boy I think it was maybe five years ago I was in Minneapolis with my parents and we were having brunch and it was not a friendly crowd, I'll just put it that way, yeah and a group of people through water at me and my parents were there and like through water on my parents and my parents were, like, reacted to that, obviously, because that's not a normal situation, but I have to tell them don't react, because that's what they want. And then it became a big TMZ thing, a big daily mail thing, right, just that's the kind of thing my parents don't know and a lot of my friends don't realize what it's like and it bothers them.

Speaker 1 9:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:46

A lot more than it bothers me.

Speaker 1 9:48

Yeah, I can understand that. Like when I went on the Bachelorette, I'm like I put myself in that situation and now my family has to deal with some of that stuff and they're not used to it or it might affect them differently when it's something that I've ultimately put them through. So that's got to be challenging sometimes.

Speaker 2 10:04

Or when people just don't want to be associated with you.

Speaker 2 10:07

We talked about this when you were on my show but, for me it just goes one of two ways, and I'm sure it's similar for you. It's either they want to be associated with you because they want followers, or they want clout, or they want a talking point, or they don't want it at all. They don't want to be associated with you. They'll be friends with you behind closed doors, but they don't ever want it to be public because that might bring on some backlash for them. So before I was engaged and married, that was something that I had to deal with constantly and I'm sure you know how this is too For me trying to find somebody who wasn't a fan, who wasn't intimidated by me but also was okay with the backlash that they were gonna get.

Speaker 1 10:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2 10:46

That was very difficult. Struggled with it for many years.

Speaker 1 10:49

And you said you briefly dated somebody from the Bachelorette. They didn't want you to post anything or acknowledge it correct, Because they were scared that it would hurt their following.

Speaker 2 11:00

Yeah, well, I mean, I can go ahead and drop a name if you'd like.

Speaker 1 11:03

I really haven't talked about this.

Speaker 2 11:05

Well, it might have been here and there, but it was Chase McNary, so this is back in 2016, 2017.

Speaker 1 11:11

Yeah, because he was on the season right after mine. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 11:14

With JoJo.

Speaker 1 11:15

Yes, right.

Speaker 2 11:15

So yeah, I mean that was a meet on Twitter type of thing and then talk type of thing, but then it was Just can't post you and me or you know, can't be identified with you, type of thing, even in a group setting, because that might make me lose followers, and followers is a currency for people, especially in reality TV. So that was interesting to me, but I had been very well aware of that stigma, so it wasn't a shock, it was just like okay, Well, this probably isn't gonna work then, because I'm me.

Speaker 2 11:48

Yeah, and I'm not changing anytime soon, so that's.

Social Media's Impact on Political Views

Speaker 1 11:51

I didn't know that friend of yours. We're friendly. I've think I've done maybe one or two events with him, but we've always been cordial for sure. We follow each other in social media long as you follow each other, yeah well, how do you think Instagram and social media has changed the politics game? I?

Speaker 2 12:11

Think it's changed it in that people can have an instant opinion and put it out there. I mean, I don't mess with TikTok.

Speaker 1 12:17

I won't.

Speaker 2 12:17

To me, that's a Chinese Communist platform, so I have no desire to put that out there. Instagram, to me, is maybe gotten better just because TikTok is so bad, so maybe that's the the relative comparison there, but it's definitely changed politics in just that you can See where people stand on things, or if they posted a black square or didn't post a black square, or if their pro is real or anti-Israel right now.

Speaker 2 12:40

I mean, that's also a currency and and celebrities are now expected to be foreign policy experts and you know, either they have to support this person, but not too much, and it's a weird game to play. That's why, for me, I'm happy that my celebrity if that is even what I am a public figure, but nobody has to guess where I fall on that. So to me that's liberating, rather than people who are acting or in Reality television or in music and they have to walk a line. I have to walk no line because it's pretty obvious where I stand and to me that's a benefit.

Speaker 1 13:12

So if TikTok didn't have any affiliation with China, would you be on TikTok?

Speaker 2 13:17

Tiktok and Instagram to me are very similar. So sure, but yeah, I'm just. I have enough big brother USA government Tracking me. Probably don't need the communists to do it either.

Speaker 1 13:28

Right, because wasn't Trump trying to ban TikTok? Or he did for a little bit?

Speaker 2 13:31

No, Trump didn't ban it, but there's been a lot of discussion over whether to ban or not. I'm not for banning anything.

Speaker 1 13:36

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:36

I'm just personally I'm not going to use it and I don't think that people in government should probably use it if they care at all about, you know, national security, but we got we've got a lot of national security issues, so maybe TikTok is lower on that list.

Speaker 1 13:48

It just depends on how you view the world, I suppose well, I'm somebody who doesn't get much into politics and I haven't, you know, for the most part of my life. I think that I really start to dive into it with Trump, him and Hillary. I think I started tuning in strictly for the entertainment like. I honestly think that it was very entertaining. It was like a huge reality show and those debates were just Fascinating TV and I looked forward to those. I think after this previous election I got so burnt out On politics where I'm like I just don't even want to watch anything right now. And I feel like a lot of Americans probably feel the same, where they turn on the TV and they don't know what to believe. You have one side, you go to CNN and saying this and then Fox is saying something completely different. So it's like how do people in the middle figure out what to believe, what's right and what's wrong?

Speaker 2 14:44

Probably watch it all. Watch Fox a little more Obviously. I'm gonna say that I work for Fox News, but I get it, people don't want to be inundated with this stuff constantly.

Speaker 2 14:53

I understand it. I mean, I get burnt out of it. People think that I watch Fox News all the time or I pay attention to politics Every minute of the day. I can't. I have to turn it off at some point because it just it becomes too much and it Consumes you. This last week I was moving, so I wasn't really on Twitter or paying attention, and it was such a liberating feeling to not know what was going on Obviously short-lived, because I can't do that for long, given what I do for a living, but it is liberating to not care, unfortunately, if you don't care and you don't want to pay attention, but then you're also gonna go vote.

Speaker 2 15:24

That's where it's a little sticky, I want everyone to vote, but you got to have at least a baseline knowledge of what you're voting for and you don't have to Care about the petty politics of everything. You don't have to be a Trump supporter or I don't think there are many Biden supporters, but maybe you don't have to get into the weeds of it. But when you go to the grocery store and you're paying 30% more than what you did a few years ago, that impacts everybody and to me that's not a partisan thing. It's just who can we get an office? That makes things better for the American people, exactly, and that's just what I hope, at least at the lowest level, people can pay attention to right.

Speaker 1 15:59

Do you think there should be any change in the age for voting? You know who's running or who's voting, because I think who's running might be the biggest concern right now.

Speaker 2 16:10

No, I don't think that we need to have an age limit. I would just hope that people could use their eyes and ears enough to just see somebody who clearly is struggling right now. And that's Joe Biden. I feel badly for him. I wish his family would do something about it. I mean, it's painful to watch Someone who's clearly being affected by dementia or some cognitive disability Probably shouldn't be, you know, at the helm of the most powerful nation in the world.

Speaker 2 16:31

Right and I say that as a conservative, but Democrats feel the same way. 75% of Americans don't want the guy to run, so I don't think it's that controversial to say Democrats don't want him either right.

Speaker 1 16:40

So here we are. Yeah, of course. What do you think Joe Biden actually does on a day-to-day basis? Walk me through his day.

Speaker 2 16:46

You know, I think he gets up around 10 Maybe, and then I think he just stumbles through his day. I think they let him out every once in a while for some air and an ice cream cone, and I think that's about it. I mean, he's on vacation almost every weekend, if not every day. They claim that he's working, but he can't figure out how to get off of a stage. So I'm really confident that he's working when he's in Delaware on the beach. No, not really.

Speaker 1 17:10

You think they just pump it with drugs to send him out to do these talks, just to keep his mind? Actually, I mean it's slipping.

Speaker 2 17:17

Yes with every passing day it gets worse and worse and worse. And that's not just me saying it as someone who's obviously conservative, that's just somebody who has eyes and ears saying that this isn't going well.

Speaker 1 17:27

So the next election you think he'll be running.

Speaker 2 17:30

No, they're gonna replace him. It's gonna be at the convention. For those that follow this, it's not gonna be a challenger that's gonna beat him in a primary situation. It's going to be. They're gonna wait to see who the Republican is and then at the convention, they're gonna have some kind of a mutiny or some kind of a change in order, and I believe it's either gonna be Gavin Newsom, governor of California, or Perhaps Michelle Obama. That's the two that I think they're gonna. You know Tway with replacing Joe with. But no, I don't think it's gonna be Joe, unless they are that confident in mail-in ballots that they can have a Literal vegetable running for their party that the party deserves better right.

Speaker 2 18:07

I'll just put it that way Democrats, you deserve better right.

Speaker 1 18:10

Do you think there's anything that he's done that you appreciate or like?

Speaker 2 18:15

Well. One thing you know, here's the thing he has been relatively pro-Israel these last few weeks. Although don't agree with everything he said, I do appreciate Some of the backing that he's had for Israel, so I will give him that. But as for everything else, I really I couldn't name one for you, and that's not me just not wanting to, I just couldn't. I couldn't rack my brain enough to figure out something that he's done Well. Things are not going well.

Speaker 1 18:42

No and it's not just me who's saying that no, I think a lot of people on the left to see that and realize that.

Speaker 2 18:48

Yeah, I hope the Trump derangement syndrome isn't so thick that they can't see that this just is not going well.

Speaker 1 18:54

Yeah. So that brings to the next question Trump. He runs again. Is it gonna be another case of we'll just vote anybody who is not Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 19:02

I've been pretty vocal about this. I've been a longtime Trump supporter. You know I have a voicemail on my phone now from Donald Trump thanking me for, you know, speaking out and Saying nice things about him, or whatever that might be. I'm a big Trump supporter. However, I've been very honest with people that I don't think, if we won a Republican victory, trump is the way to go. He's facing four indictments. They're gonna get him on something, so I don't think you can run a presidential campaign from jail. I think it's wrong that he's in that position, but it's also the reality of the situation, so I don't think that that's a good bet. I don't think that the average American out there that might be independent is gonna vote for somebody that they're afraid is gonna Be behind bars running the country, so that is my fear.

Speaker 2 19:43

I've been a DeSantis fan. I'm a big fan of Ron DeSantis. I think he's our best bet if we want to win something. So that's where I am, and a lot of Trump supporters are not happy with me on that. But I gotta be honest. It's easier to not be honest. It's easier to just say Trump like mega, but I can't do that with a straight face because I understand the implications for our country If I were to just do that and tell everybody that it's gonna be this big red wave. It's not going to be so we have to face those facts.

Speaker 1 20:09

And doesn't everybody say to that it's not a good idea to run against Trump like a DeSantis, where it will ruin their political career Because there's no way they can beat him.

Speaker 2 20:17

I don't think that's true, though I don't think it's true, I think, unfortunately, donald Trump has a real grip over this party, and for a long time. That was a positive thing, and it's not his fault entirely. He does things that get in his own way Right. But when you're facing for indictments and you don't say, hey, I'm gonna let somebody else take the torch here because I can't win facing for indictments, unfortunately that's the position that we're in, so I don't think that a DeSantis nominee is out of the question. It's gonna be difficult. I'm just hoping to bring some reality. The Republican Party if they want to win, trump might not be their best bet, and talking Roe v Wade pro-life stuff might not be the best bet. Wherever you fall in that, I don't care. It's clearly not a winning issue for Republicans.

Speaker 2 21:05

Yeah so we got to be honest about where we are.

Speaker 1 21:08

Yeah, it's wild. It's wild to watch. It's interesting. Do you feel like our country right now is more divided than it's ever been?

Speaker 2 21:17

It's hard because it's been on a sliding scale since 2016. Obviously, very divided in 2016, 2017 with the Trump presidency. People very divided Even when things were going well in our country. People just hate Donald Trump, so they couldn't admit that things were going well. We're probably more divided than ever, probably because of social media. I would say I would credit social media and the mainstream media for a lot of that, and I think people just want to hate the other side so badly that they don't want to find any areas of common ground. It's not even that they don't recognize them, it's that they go out of their way to pretend that those areas of common ground don't exist.

Speaker 1 21:52

Exactly.

Speaker 2 21:52

That's unfortunate.

Government, Extremism, and Free Speech Discussion

Speaker 1 21:53

Yeah. Is there a better system that we could put in place? What's like the ideal scenario for you, that you think for a government to run this country where it's not so left or right?

Speaker 2 22:04

Less government, less government, more people, more conversations, more having discussions not with everybody in their corner looking to win, but just looking to talk. That used to be what it was. There's always been Democrats and Republicans, but there used to be some areas where we could come together or at least disagree and still be in the same room with one another, and unfortunately now that's not the case in a lot of situations. So I think more people talking and less government is the solution to that.

Speaker 1 22:32

Because I believe for the most part that too much of anything or too extreme of anything is not a good thing. But I would say you're pretty extreme, or at least opinionated, to the conservative side, but you also call out the conservatives for things.

Speaker 2 22:45

Yeah, it's crazy to me when people call me extreme or because what is it that I believe in? That's extreme. I believe in a secure border right. I don't believe that you should come into this country legally and then suck off of our country. So if that's controversial, well, here we are. I believe that we should be able to afford the things that we buy at the grocery store. Not really extreme. I believe that we should be drilling and fracking so that our gas is an astronomically expensive and then we have to buy more from countries who hate us.

Speaker 2 23:13

If that's a controversial opinion, I guess it's controversial. Those are the things. When you say that's controversial, Do I believe that BLM should go and riot and loot in the streets and set things on fire? No, I guess that's controversial. So when people say you're extreme or you're controversial, I feel like these are pretty common sense things. I don't feel like they're that controversial. We can disagree on the finer points. Just as a whole, I don't think my opinions are that controversial. The other side's a little more controversial, right? If you say people can be a Fox gender or you have to identify your pronouns before you even say hello to me, that's kind of extreme.

Speaker 1 23:47

Yeah Well, what I don't get is I feel like with the left, if they disagree with anything from the right, they will try and attack you and take you down.

Speaker 2 23:59

People on the right are, unless they're on social media or unless they do what I do. Most people that are conservative in nature are just quiet and they like to be that way.

Speaker 2 24:08

It's not because they don't have opinions, it's because they don't want to voice them, because they've been taught that that's impolite. I understand that, because that's like people from where I'm from who are conservative but they're not going to put it in anybody's face. Unfortunately, the other side is so loud and so vocal that the reason conservatives lose the culture war and everything else is because we are too polite and we are too quiet. It would be nice if we could just maybe the left could tone it down a little bit and maybe the right could get just a little bit louder, and then there would be a balance. Then we could all voice our opinions and be passionate. But maybe we could come to some understanding or some middle ground and just lower the temperature to just a medium.

Speaker 1 24:48

Yeah Well, do you think there's just so much fear coming from the left side that the right side is nervous to speak up?

Speaker 2 24:54

Yeah, because the right doesn't try to cancel people.

Speaker 1 24:57

Right.

Speaker 2 24:58

So that's just what it is. I want everyone to be able to say their piece, even if I hate it, even if I think it's awful People right now who are riding in the streets for Hamas and terrorists. I don't want them to shut up. I want them to speak louder because I want to know who they are. So I don't want to shut anybody up. The left wants to shut people like me up. The White House wanted to shut me up. I'm a part of that whole. If you see the censorship stuff with Facebook and the White House working with Facebook to monkey with the algorithm to tone down certain voices like mine I mean, I'm directly implicated in that. Where they said hey, white House said hey, we want Tom Ylaren to shut up about COVID, make the algorithm in such a way that people see less of her. In a nutshell, that's what they did. So let's just say what we all think. Let's respect each other's opinions, but let's just allow for free speech.

Speaker 1 25:51

Is that wild for you to sit here and be like yeah, the White House, that's where I'm at in my career, that's how much success I have. They're trying to shut me up. That's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 25:59

It's a real for sure that they would want to keep me quiet, or whatever it may be. But I mean, everything is so censored now, especially when it comes to that little word called COVID, that you really can't even say. Kind of just have to mouth it, because even the algorithm will see that. So that's unfortunate. Twitter's great, now acts whatever much better, much better, with Elon at the helm. Even he gets flacked just because he wants free speech. That's weird to me.

Speaker 1 26:24

It is.

Speaker 2 26:25

He's not necessarily a conservative. If anything, he's been a lifelong liberal. But free speech scares certain people because when the truth comes in the door, the BS has to go out the window. Certain people are afraid of that, and I just want to know why.

Speaker 1 26:37

Elon is a very interesting character. I find myself watching a lot of his videos on YouTube. He's just a fascinating guy. Have you met him?

Speaker 2 26:44

I have not no.

Speaker 1 26:45

That'd be a cool conversation for you to have.

Speaker 2 26:46

That would be. We'll work on it.

Speaker 1 26:48

Yeah, get that going. Yeah. Well, twitter, and I think Trump obviously changed the game for that right. He tapped into that, took over.

Speaker 2 26:55

Yeah, well, until they locked him out, of course.

Speaker 1 26:57

And then they or Elon invite him back.

Speaker 2 26:59

Rean stated him, he sent out one tweet which was his mugshot.

Speaker 1 27:02

Oh really.

Speaker 2 27:03

Yes. But he has his own he has truth social, so he's not going to go on another platform. That doesn't support his bottom line, which I understand, but, yes, the mugshot was the only tweet we've had from him since the lockout.

Speaker 1 27:15

That's pretty funny. I feel like he's kind of a funny guy.

Speaker 2 27:18

He's a hilarious guy.

Speaker 1 27:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:21

Regardless of how you feel about his politics.

Speaker 1 27:22

Right.

Speaker 2 27:23

He's an entertaining fellow.

Speaker 1 27:24

Very entertaining.

Speaker 2 27:25

And so much so that people are bored with everybody else. Now the Republican debates, the main criticism is like. You know what this is boring now if we don't have Trump? Yeah, that was like me.

Speaker 1 27:35

I've literally watched every debate that Trump was in just to see what would happen when you guys release these polls, whether it's Fox or CNN. I think a lot of people understand when are these numbers coming from? How are they so different?

Speaker 2 27:49

Right.

Speaker 1 27:50

Where we get these poll numbers.

Speaker 2 27:53

We have different audiences, of course. So if you have a Fox News poll, that's a Fox News audience, a CNN poll, a CNN audience. But there's a lot of polls that are done that are not done by an outlet in particular. But even New York Times polls show us that right now Trump has an edge over Biden and people don't want Biden to be the nominee on the Democrat side. So there are certain polls that are maybe closer to the middle, but I just I'm not one to really feed into polls anyway, because polls are telling me right now that Trump is at 47% of the Republican Party, and I really don't think that's the case.

Speaker 2 28:23

I don't think he has that much of a commanding lead over the Republican Party. I just don't.

Speaker 1 28:27

Okay.

Speaker 2 28:28

Interesting and Trump supporters hate me for that. When you talk about things that get to me, the left attacking me really does not bother me, but when the right does.

Speaker 2 28:37

It's the Trump supporters who I consider to be my people when they come after me or they call me names simply because I'm trying to be honest about a situation that kind of cuts deep. So there's that I've also. I was on the view seven years ago as well and I said I was pro-choice. I got fired from the network for that. So conservative network said nope, not allowed to be pro-choice. So then I had a lawsuit ensued from there fighting for my first amendment rights. So it's a wild ride on all sides. No side is blameless on this.

Speaker 1 29:12

Yeah, you want to be considered that extreme Right, exactly For points like that.

Speaker 2 29:16

Exactly, I don't have differing opinions, but a lot of us exist on a spectrum. You don't have to be hard right or hard left. People would consider me hard right. I'm not hard right, yeah.

Speaker 1 29:27

You're just vocal about your views that make it come across as hard and far right.

Speaker 2 29:31

Yeah, and I tell you exactly how I feel.

Speaker 1 29:34

Yeah, I encourage everybody to do that, though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 29:36

Because why not? Do you really have the beliefs that you have if you're not willing to vocalize them? Good, point.

Speaker 2 29:42

That's kind of what I wonder here, Can you really say like I believe this, but I'm afraid to tell people I don't know, To me that tells me you don't have a really firmly held belief. In that case I get people not wanting to talk about it all the time. But when confronted with it or confronted with something that's going to change your life or your family's life, if you're just being quiet to go along, to get along I don't know, Then can you really complain about the way things are? I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 30:05

Yeah, what do you say to those who just think that they don't have any control over anything that's happening, people that don't think that their vote's even going to matter?

Speaker 2 30:13

Yeah, a lot of people on the right feel that way. To me, that's a really un-American sentiment. You're in this country, you have a voice, you have a vote. Everybody has a platform now because of social media. Social media is a blessing and a curse, but it does matter who you talk to and who you have discussions with. Those things matter. You can change hearts and minds. Your own heart and mind can be changed.

Speaker 2 30:35

Just to sit back and say, oh, this stuff either doesn't affect me or I can't affect it, that's a real. To me, it's a cop out. It's a way to just say let everybody else deal with all this. Then, if you do that, don't be surprised if your life isn't going the way that you want it to go. Please try so. You actually sound, in my opinion, to be more on the conservative side and I'm sure not completely conservative on everything. But I like to ask people who don't want to label themselves conservative or liberal, that exists somewhere in the middle. I like to ask them what about conservatism do you disagree with? What is it that you're not fully saying? I'm a conservative. What are those areas?

Speaker 1 31:13

Right, yeah, so I've always leaned more right in my life and, like I said before, I think anybody too far right or too far left you get into trouble. So I see things from both sides. I don't know. Maybe we can do like a little quiz here on some topics and ask and see where I actually land.

Speaker 2 31:31

Sure, All right. Well, let's start with the second amendment, because that's a big one.

Speaker 1 31:34

It is a big one. That's a very big one. I do have guns myself. When it comes to the ARs, I don't necessarily believe that we need those.

Speaker 2 31:49

Okay, but tell me why.

Speaker 1 31:51

For what purpose, aside from at a shooting range?

Speaker 2 31:55

Right, why would we need those? I wouldn't say, do you need? I wouldn't say that you need one. I wouldn't say, sean, you need to get an AR-15 in your home. But I would say if you wanted to have one, by every right you should be able to have one, right. So AR-15 is because two things here. One an AR-15 is great for home defense. If you've got somebody mother of your child, got a home intruder you're not there.

Speaker 2 32:22

An AR-15 not only looks intimidating it's easier to operate and you can hit your target with more efficiency. So AR-15 is actually a great for home defense, especially for women. A lot of women prefer an AR-15. So there's that. But then, furthermore, it's not so much that we want AR-15s on the right, it's just like, oh gosh, we won an AR-15, which does not stand for assault rifle, by the way, it stands for Armolite, which is the company that made them. So it's not assault.

Speaker 2 32:50

But we're more worried about a slippery slope. You're going to start telling me okay, now I can't have an AR-15. All right, I got a limited capacity magazine. Okay, now it's well, your handgun. People are still dying, people are still gun violence. Now you can't have a handgun anymore. Oh, okay. Well, what do you need a shotgun for, unless you're hunting? It's the slippery slope. It's the infringing on the rights that people on the right are most concerned about. And people say, oh, they wouldn't do that. Well, they had you stay in your home for two years. So do I trust the government? No, not really, because they had healthy people quarantining in their home ordering Uber Eats, being afraid of a virus that had a 99.8% survival rate. So what do I put past the government to do anything?

Speaker 1 33:32

No, Right, so then school shootings.

Speaker 2 33:34

Right.

Speaker 1 33:36

And then the proper checks, and it's more of so, I think yeah.

Speaker 2 33:40

So I think that they're background checks. I'm not opposed to background checks, but I will say this Nashville, the trans shooter that went and shot up the school here in Nashville, does that person seem like someone to you that's going to follow gun laws? So you can put as many restrictions in place we have restrictions on murder but if people don't follow the laws, then at some point are you just infringing on the laws and the rights of law-abiding people to somehow try to stop a criminal or felon or a thug that doesn't care about your laws anyway. That's more the side of it that's concerning. So, and I get it, and it's not. It's a nuanced thing, it's not just an all or nothing thing.

Conservative Views on Women's Sports

Speaker 2 34:17

And I understand that people that want certain kinds of reforms and I'm not completely against them. I'll say that there are certain reforms that I believe in, but it's the infringement on rights. And then you want to have lawless policies. You want to have no cash bail, like in LA, where you've got people that are committed crime and they're released within hours back on the streets and then you're going to tell me that I can't have a gun to protect myself, but then you've also defunded the police. You can't have all things, so we've done the second amendment. So then I would probably ask you about We'll talk about men competing in women's sports.

Speaker 1 34:52

Oh yeah, I'll talk about that. Let's get into that, yeah.

Speaker 2 34:54

Because unfortunately, that's become a real thing right now.

Speaker 1 34:56

Yeah, I think it's outrageous. We should be allowed, and I think that we've worked for years and years and years to give women equal rights and we finally have it Title IX, all that stuff and then all of a sudden it's like, nevermind, these men are then going to come and take what we've worked so hard at getting the rights for all women.

Speaker 2 35:18

Are you surprised because I am that the left, the feminists that were marching in the streets with pussy hats, are not vocal about this at all?

Speaker 1 35:27

That's the thing that drives me crazy. I'm like, where are you now when this is happening?

Speaker 2 35:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1 35:32

You're fine with it is what they're saying by not saying anything.

Speaker 2 35:35

Yeah, because they're so worried about being called a name, transphobic or this, that and the other. Riley Gaines is also at OutKick. She's a friend of mine, obviously. She's a co-worker of mine at OutKick and just when you talk to her and you say, hey, listen her as a collegiate athlete who has accolades, tying a biological male and then also having to share a locker room with a fully intact giant male without her consent, where are the feminists.

Speaker 1 36:04

Yeah, that's abusive.

Speaker 2 36:06

in my opinion, that's abusive to women.

Speaker 1 36:08

Right If you want to switch your gender and if you're an adult and you want to make those decisions. I don't think it should be allowed for kids up to a certain age. I think that is wrong before they're fully developed and before they've been able to live a life and actually realize what they want and who they are. I don't care about them doing that on their own, but when they start going into sports, I think that that's wrong.

Speaker 2 36:31

Right, caitlyn Jenner is also a good friend of mine, right, and she's very vocal about the whole women's rights and the sanctity of women's spaces and women's sports. I don't care what you do either. If you're an adult and you want to make a decision, I'm very much for freedom. Do what you want. I don't want to pay for it, but you can't infringe upon the rights of others, and that's exactly to me what this is. So that to me, is obviously a conservative viewpoint. It shouldn't be, but it has become one. So when I look at you and I say, are you a conservative? Okay, you believe women's sports should be for women. You believe in the second amendment, you believe in certain restrictions. I would still say that falls under conservative umbrella. Other big things for conservatives, obviously, like I said, border security. Where do you stack up on people coming into this country, just unfettered, unvetted, from all corners of the world?

Speaker 1 37:17

Yeah, I do believe in having a strong border security. We can allow the men with the proper checks and do it through a organized system, but to just allow everybody to come in, I don't agree with that.

Speaker 2 37:33

Okay. So we got guns, women in women's sports, securing our border. So I would say those three things are kind of core tenants of being a conservative. So to me that's kind of the main thing. I'm sure you probably don't like paying more taxes than you have to.

Speaker 1 37:53

Exactly.

Speaker 2 37:54

So that's probably more on the conservative side. I don't even know where you would stack up on the liberal side. I don't know what you'd believe in that would be on the liberal side.

Speaker 1 38:04

Pro-choice.

Speaker 2 38:05

Okay. But I'm also pro-choice, and you would classify me as far right. So I'm pro-choice as well, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe that the government does not have a place in that decision. I don't believe that the government benefits that decision. I don't believe that the government actually provides the outcome that I would like to see as somebody who is religious and pro-life personally. So that's why I'm pro-choice.

Speaker 2 38:29

So to me, you can very much be a conservative and be pro-choice. So that's obviously an issue that goes back and forth. That might be more on the liberal side, but I can have that liberal viewpoint and still be very, very much a conservative. I feel that most Americans are conservative in nature, except for the ones that are way out there on the left, and then there's tinfoil hats way out on the right. I get that too, but I feel like this country is center right. But we've been confused to the point where we think, like you think my friends similar that are Democrats, so they would consider themselves Democrats. I asked them, like what makes you a Democrat? And they go well, I like gay people and I'm pro-choice. I'm like, okay, well, guess what? I have no issue with gay people and I'm also pro-choice.

Speaker 2 39:09

So that's the only two things that make you think that you're a liberal. I have news for you. You might not be.

Speaker 1 39:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2 39:17

You're gonna have rock sepals world to think like, wow, maybe I'm not a liberal. I guess I would ask you the religion of the left. Climate change when do you stack up on climate change?

Speaker 1 39:26

Honestly, I haven't put too much thought into that.

Speaker 2 39:31

Okay.

Speaker 1 39:31

I haven't.

Speaker 2 39:33

So when they say all cars need to be electric by 2035, do you think that that's a positive step forward? Or do you say, oh you know, I want to buy whatever car I want to buy. They want your gas stove too. I like my gas stove. Okay, I like my gas stove, all right.

Speaker 1 39:49

Yeah, I would turn to the science on that. What does the science say? The legitimate science of global warming?

Speaker 2 39:56

Well, the science tells us that the earth is actually cooling. So this whole thing. And if we reduced our emissions to nothing, we would lower the temperature in such an insignificant amount. But I would ask this, beyond just the science how many people's lives and livelihoods would you be willing to rob from them to cool the earth by such a small degree?

Speaker 1 40:22

And that's what Biden did the first day took office.

Speaker 2 40:24

Yes, I'm from South Dakota. Shut down the Keystone.

Speaker 1 40:26

XL pipeline.

Speaker 2 40:27

That's 12,000 people in a state of less than a million who no longer have a job and they were counting on that job and businesses that built infrastructure to expand their businesses in hopes that that pipeline will be built there so that they could have people come eat at their restaurant, so that they could have people come work out in their gym as a gym owner. And then that was taken from them and now they go under because that's 12,000 people that were going to be there year round working on that pipeline that just gone. So to me, you can conserve the environment, you can care about the environment and you can want to reduce, reuse, recycle, be conscious of it without saying, hey, I think that we should just take away these people's livelihoods to make us feel better about ourselves. But then all the celebrities that the left worships fly around in private planes and somehow that's okay because they're so elite they couldn't possibly fly with the peasants. I'd take a real issue with that.

Speaker 1 41:17

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people consider themselves liberal based on what a lot of celebrities say on social media.

Speaker 2 41:25

Right, but those celebrities don't live that. If climate change was really as big of a deal to them as they said, it was people like Leonardo DiCaprio and others. If climate change really was apocalyptic to them, they wouldn't have the size of homes that they have multiple they wouldn't be on yachts, they wouldn't be flying in private jets, they would be using a composting toilet and be living in a small shack made of shit. But they're not. So that tells me that they want the little people to bear the brunt of their activism while they live high on the soy-based hog. I have a problem with that.

Speaker 1 41:58

They just want to be viewed in a certain way, yeah.

Speaker 2 42:00

They want to feel like they've done something without actually doing anything. They're not going to sacrifice anything, not one thing, not one thing. And then they go to award shows and they celebrate themselves and their activism with fancy meals and jewels and designer clothes, and it's just, they just spit on the little people that they care, like they're activating for the little people. No, it's all just like indulgence. It's narcissistic behavior to me.

Speaker 1 42:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2 42:29

But now I gave you food for thought on the climate change. You did Part of that, so now you can develop an opinion.

Speaker 1 42:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2 42:36

But I would say you know we were to do like a litmus test here. You're probably far more on the conservative side.

Speaker 1 42:43

Right, there we have it there.

Speaker 2 42:45

you have it. Best of luck to you. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 42:50

The hot. Some prayers.

Speaker 2 42:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1 42:51

Yeah, I'm in the hot seat now. So what's your view or an opinion that you've had where you kind of sat back and were like, ooh, I mean, obviously everybody evolves, but is there anything that you would change your mind on something that you've been very vocal about? No, nothing, no Nothing at all.

Speaker 2 43:07

No, I'm pretty firm in everything and you know what's funny is over the last five years, the conspiracy theorists. We've been right so many times that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 43:19

If I was, you're saying the conspiracy theorists on COVID BLM, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 43:25

Yeah, all of our conspiracy theories, really, or what we said was going to happen, with, like you know, trying to lock Trump up so he couldn't win another reelection. I mean, that was, that was a crazy thought, right? Oh yeah, you guys are just crazy that you'd think that they would try to lock Trump up. Okay, here we are. I was in LA when two weeks of flatten the curve happened, and it was you know. Hey, we get away with this for two weeks. This is going to last for years. Guess what happened? Nobody ever thought that that was going to be the case, but everyone go along to get along. Everyone is too afraid. People sat there with masks on their face for years, breathing in their own filth, because the government told them that was going to keep them safe. Yeah, so conspiracy theories, unfortunately, have turned out to be true, and I wish that weren't the case. But here we are.

Speaker 1 44:08

Do you think we landed on the moon?

Speaker 2 44:10

Yeah, I do I'm not, I'm not that far, far fetched right. I'm more in the things that are that are provable.

Speaker 1 44:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2 44:17

That are provable.

Speaker 1 44:18

I do too. I'm just messing with you on that one because there's some crazy conspiracy theorists out there. I'm like how do you think that the world's flat? Yeah, I mean, people will try and prove you wrong on that. What do you think happened to the election with the votes? Oh wow.

Voting Issues and Other Topics

Speaker 2 44:35

What's your take on that? Is this a this a gotcha thing? There are a lot of people who have their issues with what happened in 2020. I don't believe it's productive to even talk about it, because I think, the more that we talk about 2020 and whoever was slighted or whatever, I think that that really detracts from 2024. So I don't like to get into those discussions.

Speaker 2 44:54

I lived in California. I know the the issues with mass mail and voting. I know that there are vulnerabilities there and I would just tell people listen, if we all had voter ID laws, I think that we could secure our elections a lot better. I don't think that showing your ID to vote should be something that's out of the realm of possibility or oppressive in any way, shape or form. I don't like mail-in ballots. I think there's too many insecurities when it comes to that, but unfortunately, this is the system that we have now. So we have to make the best of it and we have to do whatever we have to do on the, on the, on the right, to get in the game and take advantage of early voting and mail-in voting and you know, whatever it may be, because that's where we are right now and it's not going to go back the other way, as much as we can stream, scream and wish it did.

Speaker 1 45:42

Here we are. It's going to be mail-in voting now.

Speaker 2 45:46

Unfortunately, that's the case, and if we want more election integrity, we have to actually win an election to get the election integrity. So for those on the Trump side who are so mad about 2020 and they're still convinced that it was a fraudulent election, like I hear you, I understand your frustration, but you got to move forward, and to sit home and complain about it and say everything's rigged is not going to win the next election Exactly so. I wish we could get off of that whole rigged election thing. Move on. 2024 is right on our doorstep. Let's focus on that. I don't like to go backward. I'd rather move forward.

Speaker 1 46:19

That's a lot of politics. It is a lot of politics. I never talked this much before, so I want to end it on something that's not political. No, what do you do outside of politics?

Speaker 2 46:27

Well, these days, married life I don't do a ton other than work and be home living my married life. But when I first moved to Nashville, I mean Losers was my spot. Okay, and I love Losers, that's where I would be every Friday, saturday. That's what I love to do. I love dive bars, I love just that kind of lifestyle.

Speaker 1 46:46

What about Broadway? No, no.

Speaker 2 46:49

You've lived in Nashville long enough to know that you don't go to Broadway.

Speaker 1 46:52

I know Ten years. I love Broadway. I was the Broadway guy where if we were out at a place like Losers or somewhere, I'd be like, let's go to Broadway. When it got to like midnight or one o'clock.

Speaker 2 47:00

No, why.

Speaker 1 47:01

I don't know. I think it was just nostalgic for me, Like when I first moved here going to the Honky Tonks. I love Broadway, Not anymore.

Speaker 2 47:08

Too many Bachelorettes there for me.

Speaker 1 47:10

A lot of Bachelorettes A lot of Bachelorettes.

Speaker 2 47:12

I often tell people when you live in Nashville for a year, when you hit that one year mark, it then becomes your duty to dissuade all of your friends from having Bachelorette parties here.

Speaker 1 47:22

Right, you have to do your part.

Speaker 2 47:23

Yeah, go to Scottsdale.

Speaker 1 47:25

Exactly, you know.

Speaker 2 47:26

Go to Charleston.

Speaker 1 47:27

Yeah, go anywhere else. Do you see similarities between Nashville and LA?

Speaker 2 47:33

Besides the fact that everyone from LA moved here, yeah, and it's become like influence or culture here. Very much A lot of influencers here.

Speaker 1 47:40

Very much.

Speaker 2 47:42

Getting to be a little too many influencers here. It's tough To be honest.

Speaker 1 47:46

It's tough to know who's genuine I think, and tough to have good friendships in Nashville, because I feel like everybody's trying to be somebody or get something.

Speaker 2 47:57

You might have a different experience than me.

Speaker 1 47:58

Yeah.

Speaker 2 47:59

Because, again, because I am political, unless you are also political. If you want to be friends with me, you probably are like-minded and conservative Right and you don't care. It's an asset to be friends with me, but if you're not and you're just looking for a come up, I'm probably not going to be the person you come up off of.

Speaker 1 48:17

So it's all good for me. Yeah, I think you need to run for president. Yeah, I don't think so you could ask that.

Speaker 2 48:24

You know people ask me if I would ever consider running for something. I hated our Nashville mayor a lot so I thought maybe at some point, and then we elected someone worse. Don't have a lot of hope here for.

Speaker 1 48:34

Nashville yeah, and that's not something you want to get involved with. No, not really no.

Speaker 2 48:38

I think it's just a lot of politicians in college and it just doesn't seem like a fun life to me.

Speaker 1 48:41

What about, like the speaker of the White House?

Speaker 2 48:43

Well, my good friend Kaylee McEnany who's? Also a Fox News colleague of mine. She was press secretary and she did a masterful job.

Speaker 1 48:50

I also wanted that job.

Speaker 2 48:52

I wouldn't want that job.

Speaker 1 48:54

Why not?

Speaker 2 48:55

I just I would not want I get picked apart enough. I wouldn't want to be picked apart on such a level that it could influence people's daily lives. I would say something on Twitter or on a podcast that you don't like. That's just something that might rub you the wrong way. I don't want to be in a position where I'm to blame for the plight of the American people. That's just not something that I would want to take on.

Speaker 1 49:17

That's an intense job.

Speaker 2 49:19

Yeah, it's a heavy responsibility. You say the wrong thing, that you could literally cause people real harm. And that's to me that seems like a burden, and I give credit to anybody who's willing to do it you know, on the left or on the right, because I would not want that job or that to be in that position.

Speaker 1 49:33

But you always have to bring it back to being pro. Whoever's in office, they do a fantastic job of that.

Speaker 2 49:40

Well, the current one doesn't do a great job of it.

Speaker 1 49:43

Yeah, binder we call her. Tries to at least.

Speaker 2 49:46

I don't know.

Speaker 1 49:47

No.

Speaker 2 49:48

That's a pretty big mess too. That's a pretty big mess. That whole situation over there is a pretty interesting situation.

Speaker 1 49:57

I haven't been following enough.

Speaker 2 49:58

Well, you and you know what I wouldn't encourage you to. It's comedic sometimes, so just take that for what it is. The stories that he comes up with that they all come up with, sometimes great. Sometimes, if you don't you take out the seriousness of that, he could destroy the world. It's sometimes funny, so here and there just sprinkle it in, just every time he speaks. Just best of luck.

Speaker 1 50:23

It's like you feel nervous when you watch him because you don't know what's going to come.

Speaker 2 50:27

Imagine working for him and watching him speak like oh boy.

Speaker 1 50:30

So the wall that Trump was putting up, is it still up in places? They just didn't finish it.

Speaker 2 50:35

Yeah, it's just not finished. I've seen the wall. It's beautiful. I've seen the wall where it exists. I see the prototypes of the wall. I've been out of the border about six different times with Border Patrol to see that production and toward the facilities and seeing it all. And the border is not a place you want to be now, but the border has come to everywhere at this point and that should be a primary concern for a lot of people. We're estimated to spend about $451 billion funding illegal immigration and illegal immigrants. Yeah, that's a problem for everybody. When you got homeless veterans being booted out, make room for illegal immigrants, that's a problem. When you got inner city communities who already have low resources and now they have even less because of illegal immigrants coming in by the tens of the thousands. Think about that before you vote in blue cities that wanted to be sanctuaries. Just think about that.

Speaker 1 51:28

What else would you tell people to think about other issues? Right now, say two more issues for your top three issues to look at for this election.

Speaker 2 51:36

So definitely the border, the economy. I mean the economy really is just it. So I wish things were going better. I wouldn't care if Joe came in and made this economy great and he came into office and he really did fix things with Bidonomics. I would be happy because I'm a consumer who buys things.

Speaker 1 51:51

Exactly.

Speaker 2 51:52

And I pay taxes. So I would think that would be great, but it wasn't my guy. But things are not going well, objectively speaking, not going well. People cannot afford things. I just bought a house. Seen interest rates lately Not great, 8%. Try to buy a house. If you're a first time home owner. You're renting right now, your rent's gone up and you want to try to buy a house, good luck making those mortgage payments. So you'll be stuck paying someone else's mortgage payments on rent that you also can't afford and you'll probably never be able to get into a home. Things are not going well. So the economy is something that people have to focus on.

Speaker 2 52:23

The third thing I would say is just parental rights. You're about to be a parent, so this should matter to you and all parents. Parents during the COVID era, being forced out, being labeled domestic terrorists for speaking up at school board meetings, the fact that parents have been pushed out in replace with the government should be a top concern for parents, and just for Americans. So I would say border security, which is the same as national security, the economy and parental rights. I think those three things, regardless of your political affiliation. Just look at which party has a better track record on those three things and then make your decision. And if you seriously can say that that's the left, then by all means, but be honest with yourself. That's what I would tell people. Just be honest with yourself. I know you hate Trump, but just have a moment of honesty.

Speaker 1 53:08

Right, and what about something good, something for us to look forward to, and then a positive note here.

Speaker 2 53:14

Well, christmas is coming up, so there's that, and 2024 right around the corner.

Speaker 1 53:20

All right.

Speaker 2 53:21

You know, a new horizon, things could change.

Speaker 1 53:23

A new horizon coming soon.

Speaker 2 53:25

Yes.

Speaker 1 53:26

All right, well, that was fun.

Speaker 2 53:27

It was fun. Best of luck to you on those answers.

Speaker 1 53:30

Thank you, I'll let you know how that goes.

Speaker 2 53:32

I look forward to it in the comments.

Speaker 1 53:35

All right, see you next time.