176: Patty Paranormal: Demons, the Shadow Doll & Sleep Paralysis

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Join us as we delve into the paranormal experiences of Patty Paranormal, a psychic and paranormal investigator, sharing her encounters with demonic entities, the Shadow Doll, sleep paralysis, and her journey into the supernatural world. This episode offers deep insights into the unseen and the power of mental resilience against dark forces.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

As soon as I walk through that door, something grabs my hand. I have never felt that type of heat. And also like my hand went tingly as soon as I walked through the door. And I said that. I said, Oh my gosh, like something just grabbed my hand, like genuine freaking out reaction. And I'm recording, and this is all gonna be on video on my YouTube channel. And he's like, Oh gosh, it's already started.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Welcome to the Wandering Road, a place where the unseen moves all around us. The stories you'll hear aren't just whispered legends, they're shadows that cling, footsteps that follow, and whispers that never fade. Every turn pulls you closer to the unknown. And once you've heard what waits here, the night will never feel the same again.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Wandering Road Podcast. I'm your host, Chris, alongside my co-host Dean, and joining us today to talk some paranormal stuff is Patty Paranormal, who has a YouTube channel, a TikTok page, and she is also a psychic. And we are so excited to talk to her.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

More famous than us, more famous than us.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Well, thank you guys. It's an honor to be here.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Yeah, thank you for uh agreeing to come on on such short notice. I think I messaged you on Instagram like it was like Monday or Tuesday. I was like, hey, would you want to come on? And then I'm like, this Thursday's open, so it's like okay, let's do it. And awesome. So we appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Thank you guys so much for having me. And yeah, short notice or not, I'm supporting no matter what. And you guys are obviously seem awesome. So I was watching a couple of your guys' like videos, and I was like, they seem like cool people to talk to. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

Thank you. We appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

Definitely not losers, not at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

People think people think I'm a devil worshipper, so hey, devil worshipper.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

Okay. Yeah, that's what people think about me. Like, what, because you're a psychic or because you like paranormal stuff?

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Because I like um I'm a psychic, and also I have a Ouija board, like a planchette tattoo, so everyone's like, oh, she's currently okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

I just saw a TikTok recently where it was like, oh, my whole small town thinks I'm a devil worshiper because I have like a tiny little tattoo, or like all the old women I know who see my tiny tattoo think I'm like evil or something like that. That's like a perfect example. Do you live in a small town?

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Like, is that like what I live close to Cleveland, so like in Ohio.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

So I'm not sure everything's the devil.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Yes. You like ghosts. I at the end of the day, guys, I'm just hunting Casper. Okay. I'm I'm obviously with my ability, is I'm acknowledging the negative and stuff like that, but I'm just hunting Casper. I just want to see if Casper's real.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

It ain't nothing wrong with trying to find Casper the friendly ghost, but I'm sure you've encountered some not so nice things before in some of your interpretations.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Yes, actually had probably one of the worst experiences of my entire life so far, and like around June 1st. So obviously it was like around two weeks ago. And I wish that experience never happened. But of course, dealing with what I do, it's bound to happen.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

See, now that you mentioned that, if you don't mind sharing what happened, initially when I start the show, I like to go all the way back to the beginning. But since you mentioned that like paranormal experience, are you comfortable sharing that?

SPEAKER_01 3:44

If not, we could Oh absolutely. I mean, even if you did want to like go all the way back to the beginning and then going up to that, I really it doesn't bother me at all. I'm in the case. Unless you just want me to drop it right now. I got you.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

What are you thinking? Yeah, just drop it. Let's cover it up for us. That's the clip, like that's the catch for the show.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

All right, so this was absolutely the scariest, worst experience of my entire career, and everything led up to this. However, so everyone who watches any of my channel or any of my TikToks, anything like that, I absolutely am addicted to Annabelle. Like my posters say back here, I've always been addicted to Annabelle. And what started all of this is when I was a young kid, I've always been addicted to horror movies. And when the conjuring movies came out and Annabelle and all of those came out, I became addicted to Ed and Lorraine Warren. However, of course, like you'll find out later that everything led up to me going to the Warren's Accult Museum. However, at Pennhurst Paracon, I got invited back to the Warren's Accult Museum for the second time. The first time I clarified that I was not scared of anything in that museum. I have Annabelle tattooed. I have a lot of Annabelle dolls. Annabelle is like one of my most favorite things ever, just as the museum. However, I messed up with saying that none of this feared me. And so I went into this having one of the worst weeks of my life, and everything came up too fast. So I thought I was in a good clear head space. But of course, doing what I do, if you are not in a good space mentally or physically, um, and just exhausted going into things, especially like the most demonic and possessive things, is not a good idea. So I'm me and my best friend, we went to the museum absolutely excited, but something in me just felt like it wasn't a good idea. But of course, I'm not gonna like step out of it. I traveled nine hours to Connecticut. I did everything that I could to stay here. Me and these girls, um, we just meet these some of the people that invited us back for the first time. I'm bonding with them, and we get four hours in the museum. Every night you stay at the Warren's Call Museum, you get four hours and you plan ahead. We get there at 5:30 and we told them that we wanted to go in the museum for four hours at 9:30. So we're all like talking, eating food. Um, and we are, I don't know why or how, but I started clicking with this one girl really fast and I've never met her. It's like we've met before and we start trauma bonding. We're talking about how bad our weeks were, about how we felt anxious the whole time. I had a really negative dream that me and the one that invited me back was going to get possessed. And I just kept having that dream. And I thought that it was her that was going to get possessed. So I was really focused on her, making sure she's okay. But we're talking, and somehow it gets to the point where like how my mom left me, or we're like just trauma bonding and talking about things that you talk in a friendship that you've known for like maybe 10 years or something like that. But this girl I've just met, and for some reason, like something in my heart's telling me to talk about this right now. So we're just talking about it. And then time goes by really fast, and then we enter the museum. And we were talking before we were like, guys, what if we like test our limits because we're not scared and we go in without protection? And my best friend looked at me and was like, What? You would never say that. And so Rick, the housekeeper of The Warrens, he was like, Okay, are you guys ready to go through the museum? There is a taunted passageway in the museum, and you have to walk through it to go from the inside of the house to the museum. And he was like, So who wants to go first? And I for some reason forgot my rosary, like I said, without protection, and I'm never like that. So I walk in there and as soon as I walk through that door, something grabs my hand. I have never felt that type of like heat. And also like my hand went tingly as soon as I walked through the door. And I said that. I said, Oh my gosh, like something just grabbed my hand, like genuine freaking out reaction. And I'm recording, and this is all gonna be on video on my YouTube channel. And he's like, Oh gosh, it's already started. So we go in there and they are in Olton has this little TV that's like an ovulus, so it's like an old TV, but it's all like static, and it pops out words from a dictionary, and we turn it on because he just put it in there. So we were like, that's gonna make a creepy effect. We turn it on, and um previously previously uh at Pennhurst Paracon, the Annabelle was also there, and we found out later that it said and warned me when me and my best friend were in a double S's method that it was coming for me. And we didn't know that because we didn't watch our clips back until after this night. And she was there. And I told my best friend not to look at the shadow doll when we went through the Warren's experience. I said, Don't look at the shadow doll. It's one of the most powerful objects. I said it's mad. Don't look at it, don't take a picture of it. However, as soon as I entered the museum two weeks later, she's like, Where do you want to take a picture? Let's get our pictures out the way so we can just focus on investigating. And I said, the shadow doll. Like, and mind you, like two weeks, a week before I said, No, don't take a picture of it. And we take a picture in front of the shadow doll, and we look at it, and my face is like all droopy, and I look like I'm really tired, even though we just started. And in the reflection, you see me looking at the doll in the case. Like, not me facing forward in the picture. I'm facing forward at the camera, but it looks like in the case, in the reflection, I'm looking at the doll. However, um, right after that, the ovulus TV and all of our equipment is literally sending details about what me and the girl were having a conversation trauma bonding about. So I was talking about how one of my family members was using when I was young. And they literally said the exact drug. Like it said the exact drug, and ghost equipment doesn't say that. I said that, like, obviously, it picks from the dictionary. In what world is it gonna pick from that? And then it said, like, family members that I've lost, or the exact topics and the exact details that I did not clarify, speaking on a person. And of course, when you work with demonic entities or demons, a lot of people are saying, like, oh, that's a demon, but genuine demonic entities are so strong that it can know exactly what you're going to say. And I and right after that, I did not notice that I didn't have my protection on. And I just felt so down, negative, and out of it. And one of my friends that is studying demonology texted me. He did not know where I was. He said, Patty, please be careful. I feel like something's coming for you. Like I had a vision. And I was like, I pushed it off. And me and the girl that we were bonding, we were like, What if we do a prayer in the museum? That was not a good idea, but we were like, What if we do it? So then we're reading this Saint Michael prayer and this our father prayer. We physically could not finish it. Like our lips went numb, like something was trying to prevent us from finishing it. So we couldn't finish the prayer. However, she couldn't finish our father. So then I finished St. Michael. And then right after that, she got a really bad headache and everything switched. And on my video, you can see our faces switch and the whole vibe like changed. And then it's starting to come for us really bad. And all of a sudden, we're like doing this investigation, and I just sit on the floor. And I sit on the floor and I'm staring at the shadow doll. And for five minutes straight, I have my camera and I'm just like like just staring, just like nodding out. Like I'm not physically here. I can't hear anything else. I'm in my head and I'm thinking of every single thing negative. I'm thinking of every single thing negative in my life. And me as a person, I'm a really strong-willed person, and I always tell people to keep a light around you. I could not finish that light. I just did not feel protected. I was thinking about how like depressed I was. And in video, my friend has to physically pull me out of the museum. And she's like, Are you okay? What's going on? And I said, everything right now. So I just sounded really angry. So she physically pulls me out. She has to get me up, pulls me out, and I go and put my protection on, and something snaps, and I'm fine, but then I'm not fully fine. And then we go back into the museum and I'm talking to Rick and he said, Patty, I need you to stop hyperfixating on her because that's how I got sick and was in the hospital. So I I've something snapped in my head where I was like, Wow, I've always been hyper fixated. That my entire journey has always been hyper-fixated on this specific doll that is really powerful. So we go back into the museum, I sit back on the floor, and I feel really nauseous. I feel that dehydrated, and I start feeling pale. And then for some reason we decided to do solos. And in my solo, it's literally telling me words like oppression, obsession, and the leading things up to possession. And everything was going really negative in my head, like, oh, I think I should do this. Dumb things like play the Ouija board, and that is the exact gateway to becoming possessed. And everything was like just coming for me. And right after that, I just feel so drained. I like pass out like after the museum. I'm like falling asleep sitting up. So I decided to go alone uh to sleep. And I go to sleep, and we're recording ourselves in our night vision camera, and halfway through, like sleeping, I wake up and I'm just staring in the dark at the night vision camera. And I'm like blankly staring, just straight staring, not blinking, and I can't even do that. So I was not blinking, just staring. You hear a growl in the footage, and then I snap out of it. And then right after that, we decide to investigate more. I had mag lights turn on and off in my hand. And I told like my viewers and I was telling my friend, what if I take my protection off again? What if I play the Ouija board? And she's like, no, don't do that. And just everything was telling me to do the most horrible things that were gonna set me up. And right after that, it said car failure. Like it said, um final. Uh it was just it was saying car fatal. And in my head, a lot of people know that Annabelle messes with your cars and has a lot of people don't believe this, but has killed people in the past. So I got really in my head because that same day I had to drive home from Connecticut to Ohio. Everyone's like, Patty, I don't think that's a good idea. So fast forward and I'm with my friend. I do not feel okay. I feel really dehydrated. I'm really pale. I'm not myself. I'm more exhausted. I get into my car, I'm driving 20 minutes, and all of my tire pressure lights come on. And like for all of my tires. And I was like, what's going on? And mind you, every single time before I go on a trip, I always get my car checked. I make sure there's no holes in my tires. I make sure all my tires are filled and good. Anyway, I try to go to the nearest gas station and I almost get T-boned straight on. So I like freak out. I'm already in a crazy mental headspace. And then I try to fill my air tires up. Anyway, I didn't have a tester with me and the tire like gauge was broken. So I couldn't figure it out. So I try to go to the next gas station and then I almost get T-boned again. So I'm already like so freaking scared because it said to me, car fatal. So I hurry up and I freak out and I call my friend. I'm like, I need to come back right now. There's no way I can drive because I would have gotten home at 4 30 in the morning anyway. I was scared. I would have been freaked out this entire drive. So she's like, she freaks out. She's like, okay, hurry up, come back. It's fine. So I go back to her house and I tell everyone, like, I'm okay, but I need to check my tires. Like, what if there's something in my tire, like maybe a nail or something? Next morning, I cleanse myself. I end up getting blessed. I take a deep breath. I touch grass. I'm in the sun. Like I sit in the sun, just remembering who I am, and then we go check my tires, and they're all perfectly fine. And that day I drive home nine hours perfectly fine.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

Okay, and that ends the show, folks. I mean, I'm kidding. It's like that is probably like that. That's it. Gotta be top ten creepiest experiences we've heard, man. Um, I got quite a few questions, but I'll start with this one. I'll go back to the beginning. You um you mentioned that you have an obsession with the Warrens. That's the same with me. Obsession with the Annabelle doll. I have all the movies um and the conjuring, that's like my thing. I even though I don't like the most recent conjuring movie, um about the one.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

I do kind of like it, but it's it's not the same.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

It's kind of funny because like to get to my friend's house, they live in Scranton, I have to drive through Pittston. So it's like, oh, maybe one day I should just drive by, see what that looks like. But um when you went to the uh occult museum and you met this person, you didn't know them, you kinda hit it off, you kinda went in like with a little bit of hubris that I'm ready for this. Do you think that because of your psychic abilities and you're an empath and you could feel all these feelings, that you connecting and trauma bonding with this person that you just met probably took down your guard a little bit? And do you think the fact that you were so excited to go, you were so confident in yourself that you kind of just were like whatever you know, I I'm me, I know what I'm doing. This is I've been I've been doing this thing like a hundred times over. Um do you think something might have influenced you to like get you to lower your guard to the point where it could try to get to you? Or do you think just because like you were so excited to actually get invited, go there, actually do an investigation, and you met someone and you hit it off? And you know when you hit it off with people and you're with your friends and you're vibing, you've kind of had that feeling of like invincibility, like nothing can go wrong. Do you think like something might have influenced you with calling you there? Or do you think just vibing with that person and y'all are just having a good time that it just lowered your guard because you were just so comfortable?

SPEAKER_01 18:51

I think what really messed it up for me was we both looked at each other after having our guard down because we were hitting it off and so comfortable and confident that it got really angry and it wanted to show how powerful it was because I mean her said that we weren't fearful of it. And of course, with me hyperfixating on it and being obsessed with it and with me having the abilities, I also shine brighter than quite a lot of people um in general, so absolutely demonic entities and things like this automatically want to target me because um it doesn't want me to shine bright and be confident and have no fear towards it. So it absolutely wanted to have that revenge and it took anything that it could, and it absolutely worked because since we were trauma bonding and everything like that, it came for my biggest fears, it came for the things that have taken me down before, and it came for my most emotional subjects, and it got me thinking of like wow, it can actually do this. It as soon as I took my guard down a little bit, that wow, I'm really dealing with something insane here, and it slithered in and it took me down. Even if you are in these things with the dealing with the most powerful entities in demonic things in the world, you let your guard down even a slither, just like if you were in a like in the ocean or in a boat, and there is even the littlest bit of a hole, or if anything like that, it's going to take you down, and that's what it did to me.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

I I hope this is not too much of a jump, but what I'm interested in hearing about what is the shadow doll? Because I I actually have never heard or seen about the shadow doll, and I looked it up and it's like literally it's creepier than Annabelle, like the way it looks. Um, and I actually was doing some side research while you were talking, like, who created the shadow doll? Like, how did it end up in the Warren's Museum? Like, what's the background? And there's like nothing known other than possible like satanic rituals or created with human hair, human body parts, and and bird feathers and stuff like that. So, like, can you give us a little synopsis on the shadow doll and why it's so significant?

SPEAKER_01 21:15

So the shadow doll, I believe, is genuinely, if not more powerful than Annabelle in the museum. So, to me, I think that that is something I'm more fearful than Annabelle itself. And what makes it so important in the story of why I said do not look at it and don't take a picture of it to my friend weeks before is because the shadow doll is a hidden assassin used by um people that uh are occultists, Satanists, and people that study black witchcraft. So the shadow doll was used as the curse voodoo item back in the day that it was made from human like bones, teeth. And bird feathers, and it is basically a cursed object that people in the back like in the um when it was created around like the 1970s or something like that, it was created with a curse on it that if you got a physical picture of it in the mail and you looked at it and you seen it, there's a curse on it. Every single person that has seen it has passed away. So there is a very strong person in they don't know who created it because they were never found, that it's either they were an occultist, which I believed, or a Satanist sending this out to end people that they did not have a good connection with, or just other people to take it out without physically doing them, doing it themselves. And it has been known that if you've getting gotten a picture, like I said, with the curse, you are ended automatically and assassinated. So it was somebody else's assassin used as a curse, and they keep it in the box, and it is a really strong entity. And I've gotten it in Annabelle on EVPs screaming.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

Did you look up the doll, you asshole? I did. I I you looked up the picture, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Hey, it's not in my mailbox. Like what what happens if I send it to myself in my email inbox?

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Like um uh I just self-say it gives you bad luck. Um, because that like, but I do have a crazy story before um why it why all this happened to me, why it would have revenge on me previously, which is also just my entire life.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

Email chain, it's not an email chain, is it?

SPEAKER_01 23:43

No, just let's just say uh after Paracon, we had a lot of bad luck and we all went to the gas station. Um, me and my friends, we went to the gas station and I was messing around eating a sandwich in the car, guys. I was I had a lot of uh I didn't eat anything and it was like I was so hot. So I'm just like tweaking out, eating a sandwich in the car. And my two friends go into the gas station first and they receive something, but we didn't know that. So then me and my other friends, we go in after. We're getting drinks, we're gonna go like hang out at this park or something. And then let's just say we had a really good time, and then I just get an anxiety attack, and we end up leaving, and all of a sudden we're like on like this uh curved hill, and our tire blows up and I look down the street, there's no potholes, there's nothing. And some weird, like paranormal stuff was happening. I could feel and see things. Mind you, at the like warnology event that I told that same day my friend not to look at the shadow doll. Don't take a picture of it. It's really angry, it's really powerful right now. Don't do it. With my abilities, I can hear whispers. So every single thing that was not contained in that museum because it was at Pennhurst was whispering to me. And as soon as I got out that car, I heard those whispers again. So I was like, what could this possibly be? This is stronger than I could imagine. We changed the tire, we started going back, and we were like obsessing over like this witch house or whatever, because we were planning an investigation, whole crazy story. And we get back to the hotel, and there my friends that went into the gas station previously, they were like, Yeah, this one picture is just really messing with me. And I'm like, What picture? And they're like, Yeah, like uh that shadow doll thing from the Warren's Museum. I said, You I said, What? They're like, Yeah, like uh my friend just sent me a picture of just the shadow doll. I said, That only that was the only picture? They're like, Yeah. And I said, Well, no wonder our tire exploded and everything's coming for us right now. Literally, right after that, um, they got that, like, they got that picture going into the gas station before we went in. So, absolutely right after that, every single bad luck happened to us, every single chain of bad luck happened to us. And right after that, my friend who was really hyperfixating on this witch house that we were gonna go investigate. Obviously, the universe told us not to go. She almost fainted in the hotel lobby. We had to physically hold her up and get her upstairs, and I did have to do a prayer. And that's why I do not mess with the shadow doll because it wanted to take us out and take us down. And I protected everyone that I was with. So, of course, it's just crazy that I told my friend not to take a picture of it, don't hyperfixate on it, and I said, don't mess with it as soon as I go into the museum two weeks later. Now I want to take a picture with it. Now I'm sitting in the museum staring at it. And like I mentioned before, when we took a picture of it, it looks like I'm staring at it. So it definitely, absolutely, it and Annabelle wanted to take control over me because it knows like that I can sense these things, so it came in, slithered in, and tried to take me down.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

I I wouldn't call on myself an empath, but I'm like definitely sensitive to my environment. I like to go to Civil War battlefields against my own detriment and I can sense things and stuff like that. I mean, I just enjoy that stuff, and I lived in a haunted house for like nearly a decade, so like you can tell when like stuff is off. And you want us to go to Paracon around all those items. So the only way I will go is if like every psych like everybody just stays in one big ass room together, like yeah, proper second holding hands. No, I'm not I'm not taking chances of waking up and just see Dean just staring at me without blinking. Like, hey Chris. You want some cheese? No, I don't want cheese. Go to bed. Go back to the museum. Oh man, that would be such a trip. See, I would oh my god, I've been through so many, like you would do it, you would do it.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

You know, as as a team, as a team. Yeah, but I think I think when we get famous enough, like I think we should go. We have to go to haunted sites, like we just can't avoid it. We made jokes in the past.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

If I bring something into this house, my wife will kill me. Oh yeah. Yeah, she she's like terrified of this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

Anyway, you brought her over to your dark side after uh she bought that mirror at the the store. Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

I don't know how you feel about that, Patty. You being an empath and a psychic about like old furniture, people keeping old furniture and buying like furniture from like house sales and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

So I think it's a really bad idea sometimes, especially, but I still do it and I messed up one time when I first uh when I first started this. I seen like Selena Spooky Boo and like a lot of people that like told spooky stories because that's how I started. I didn't automatically just jump on my YouTube channel like investigating. I used to go to like I used to urban explorer and I used to go to abandoned buildings, but of course, you need money to go to uh haunted places. So I used to tell my scary stories. Anyway, I wanted my set to look really cool, so I started to buy haunted dolls and I started to buy creepy things and artifacts, and it yeah, it it was a really bad time. I learned my lesson and I had to stop YouTube for a while, and I saged and blessed myself and took everything out for like a month.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

Do you still have the haunted dolls?

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Which one is it?

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Um, it's in a glass case in my basement, actually. Kind of like Annabelle. His name was Sally, and I brought it home and I had sleep paralysis, and like in a dream I was physically crying. Uh like it took all of my energy, went to a vintage store, and my friend was like, I really want you to have these dolls. And I said, I don't like the energy of those. And then as soon as we left, as soon as we left, she was like, I'll buy them for you. So as soon as we left, uh, I got all my energy drained, and they ended up like it was like only six o'clock, and I was like, I don't have energy for anything. So I went to bed pretty early. They left early. We were supposed to hang out all day, but we're just all drained and not okay. And I had a really horrifying like nightmare and sleep paralysis, and I just started like bawling, but I woke up and I was physically bawling, like I've been crying for like 20 minutes. Like there's a puddle on my neck, and my face like was just I was crying. And um, I this happened like three-ish years ago, and I was like sleeping, and then I see something, and then I wake up, and as soon as I wake up, it's probably like five in the morning. My dad knocks on the door and he's like, I need to go to the emergency room. So that really messed me up. And then I take him to the emergency room, he pulled six different muscles overnight. So that's completely weird. And that is like, how would you do that overnight? So I said, This has to be paranormal. If not, it's just negative energy from this doll. I didn't like it to begin with. And why am I physically crying out of a sleep paralysis? So I drop him off, hurry up, run home, take all my haunted stuff out. I didn't know what caused it at the time, but but I did know. Um, and we investigated the doll prior previously the night before, and we were getting a lot of activity. And anyway, I take all this stuff out, I sage everything, I say a prayer, I open all my windows, all of my doors, I say, like, you cannot stay here. I say a protective prayer and I put it all outside. Then right after I do that, my dad messages me that he's okay to leave and he's okay. Anyway, he heals, he was fine after a while. And then I'm like, this is when I really started to come in, and I was like, I do have abilities and I wanted to fight my fears and become more powerful than this rather than let it take over me. So that's why I do go into investigations and I make sure I'm protected because at the end of the day, I'm stronger than whatever this was. And ever since then, I have been pretty good. There's absolutely been some times that if I do have anxiety on a day, mind you guys, don't go on any type of investigations with anxiety. I know you guys are talking about not doing it at all, but if you are having a bad day, don't go into it. Like honestly, do not go into it because it's going to come for you really hard. And yeah, so I just decided that I'm gonna help people and just be stronger than this and not let it overcome me.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

So you're talking about dreams, which I find really fascinating because um I think that when you start having dreams that especially involve sleep paralysis, that's something that catches a lot of people's ears. And for me personally, I've brought this up a million times, but I've had sleep paralysis throughout my life, and I've seen like uh hallucinations coming out of sleep paralysis, um, like going all the way back to like when I was like 11 or 12, and I saw like this alien and a lizard creature in the corner of my room. But I want to ask you like, uh, how do you differentiate between uh uh uh something that's actually uh physically externally affect uh affecting your dream versus like somebody who is just having a bad dream? Because there's two different sides of the coin, right? Like, if you're having a bad dream, it could be stress-induced, like there's there's a reason why our brains have dreams, good and bad. It's kind of like cycle through the information, but it's also like it seems to be a conduit for the malevolent or or the you know, good or bad spiritually to kind of affect us. So, like what what's going on there? Have you ever studied dreams and like why that's happening?

SPEAKER_01 33:58

So I think that this is one of like the most important topics, too. To me, that's obviously like it catches my eye as well. Um, of course, I don't exactly nobody knows the correct answer. However, I believe, even with my abilities, I look at dreams as another way of being like to get knowledge. I get knowledge in and I get knowledge in a lot of different ways. And I believe that everyone is intuitive in their own world. However, I can remember dreams more than the average person. And I believe that rather it being malevolent, I feel like I can remember them more. Because if I do have dreams, let's say I have good dreams or like stress-induced dreams, I forget those more. Like if you've ever woken up from a dream and you're like, dang, something crazy happened, but I can only remember certain things, um, but I can't remember the full thing. There's been dreams that I can remember and tell you still from 10 years ago in full detail. And I don't know if any a lot of people have had dreams where they can fully remember them, but it's really known that you have a dream and you can't remember them. So personally, with me, I always remember try to remember like my dreams and everything I believe comes in messages, even if you've seen like a bird at a specific time or like you needed a sign. I'm not saying not everything is a message or some things are coincidental, but when it and then also when it comes physical. So, how I mentioned where I was physically bawling my eyes out and tearing up, I think the malevol the malevolent and powerful entities that are really trying to affect you also mess with you physically as well as rather than just mentally, because I was physically messed with, and I don't just cry coming out of a dream because I was crying in my sleep.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

Yeah, that's great. That's a great perspective. I've never heard that before. I like that. Chris, what were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_03 35:57

I kind of lost it, but it'll come back to me.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

You were entranced by Patty. Yeah, you're Patty's entrancement brought you down or brought you into her eyes.

SPEAKER_03 36:12

Spooky. But um, Patty, I know we're about 30 minutes in, but I did want to ask what got you into the paranormal. We all have that one particular thing, whether it be a paranormal experience, exposure to like a movie from like for me, it was seeing like the one days when I was like five years old, and then like at 11, I watched The Exorcist, and I lived in a haunted house for my formative years. So, like if you could pinpoint like a time in your life where you think like, okay, like I'm I'm full in on into this, and then from that point, like when did you start having experiences, or were they fairly recent when you started to embrace your abilities?

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Okay, so this is an insane conspiracy theory, and me and a lot of my psychic friends absolutely have talked about this, and it is one of the craziest theories. But before I get into that, what really got me into the paranormal is my sister is like 14 years older than me, and she's always loved horror and stuff like that. So when I was like five years old, I've always been introduced to the horror and the scary parts of things. So I was watching Friday the 13th, that is as a five-year-old. I was watching scary movies, Halloween, and I've always loved Halloween and spooky stuff. However, I did live in a haunted house for a really long time. Like I I grew up in a haunted house, and I feel like when I was younger, I could always see and feel things. And my mom, uh, a lot of people know this, it's really open, but she did leave me when I was nine years old. And I'm okay with talking about that now. But when I was younger, like before I was nine, she'd always mention like Gore Orphanage, which is an urban legend around my hometown. There she was mentioning like paranormal stuff and everything like that. So, in my beliefs of growing older, I always thought she had abilities as well. I could have never expected myself to be that because honestly, when you think of psychics, you think of like in my personal experience, I thought they were like kind of like magicians or stuff like that. Like I didn't see them as normal people that can also see and feel things. So as I grew older, I became hyper-fixated on horror movies because that's what I was introduced as a kid. And then I got really hyper addicted to watching YouTube videos and Zach Bagan's. And of course, when I was younger, you would hear this is haunted, like you know, ghost adventures or the hauntings, shows like that. And I became really addicted to those and like just the adrenaline rush that I get from that. And I started to really look into it. And then, of course, when I got into middle school, I would have best friends. And honestly, uh, her parents and my parents were really strict, and we weren't allowed to talk to boys or go hang out. So we started watching more YouTube, like Sammy Colby. I really love Omar Gosh, Mo Sarge, stuff like that. And it really got, it really got uh popular playing the Ouija board. So instead of talking to boys, I was playing the Ouija board. So we made a fake Ouija board and we found out that her house was haunted. And when I was younger, I picked up, I said, I feel like somebody died here. And there was a tombstone in her yard, and there's a lot of Indian burial grounds and underground tunnels and everything like that, and haunted energy in my town and in Ohio in general, because it is a really old state. So we started to get into that and it started to become physical to me where I've gotten scratched. Things were coming after me. I have had sleep paralysis since I was younger. Things would walk around in my attic. I would see um footsteps, I would hear them. My sister and my dad also would see them, and he also would tell me like stories about how he was in a home previously before I was born that was like and dealt with like witchcraft. Like they would see pentagrams. So it's kind of always been shaped and around my life. So I've never really gotten away from it. And then when I really started to feel my ability, is it really happened when I was like 14 to 16. But then after that, I went through a really bad depression. And of course, when you are somebody who is able to feel these things and you don't know, and especially you don't have any guidance because people think you are different and weird, you do go down a negative path, just like human beings in general. And I went down a really negative path, and then I finally remembered who I was and dealt with who I am, and I didn't let it. And of course, there's negative and demons and stuff like that. Negative things will bring you down, and I realized what it was doing, and I became again addicted to the paranormal again. I then, however, met Elton and Corey and was on their podcast, and it sparked a new light in me. And I was in college and I was the outcast. Everyone, a lot of people bullied me for a couple months in college. I was always the outcast in high school. So something in me was like, you know what? What am I doing? I'm going to live my dream no matter what. I'm going to follow my dreams and I'm going to drop out of college and I'm going to work really hard, work two to three jobs. Maybe like I worked four jobs around one time. It was insane to pay my bills and I'm going to pay and do this. And what really got me into like just being open. And I started, I've just always known things as a kid. Even like I've just been somebody who has really been hyper-aware and acknowledged, like I've lived before. And the conspiracy threat I brought up is I was also in the gate program. So the gifted learning program. And of course, me and a lot of psychics, and there's a conspiracy theory that it's the program for the gifted and talented education program. Absolutely. But there's only a couple people that get picked from that. And I believe personally that it's people that are spiritually gifted. Like, I don't know if you guys have seen Stranger Things like with 11 and stuff. I believe that that's what that leads to. Is there's absolutely things that the government or the CIA try to take advantage and like find their um their psychic so they can work in that type of realm as well. So I feel like I was getting tested as a young kid. So I've known things and I was in that program. And if honestly, if I did not fail school because of like some trauma and some hard things, who knows where I'd be right now? So truthfully, I've always had gifted, like I was always gifted and I've known things, but it really came to me that I was a psychic, even like a year and a half ago, because I've really been messing with like just channeling and just saying things that I actually physically feel and just not second guessing myself.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

Patty, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

SPEAKER_01 43:09

I'm 22.

SPEAKER_03 43:11

22? Okay, yeah. I kind of figured you I was like early 20s.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

I was gonna say which which Friday the 13th were you watching? Was it like the new Friday the 13th, 12th?

SPEAKER_01 43:23

Like you know, all of the original movies. Like I was like so young, and my sister was showing me all the original movies.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

I've watched everything, I've watched every horror movie. I became fascinated.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

Yeah, I don't blame you.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

And this is before your time, by a long shot, Patty. But like what I used to love to do as a kid was like have a sleepover with my friend, and we would take our bikes to our hometown video store, which probably doesn't didn't exist when you were a kid at all in any regard. I don't even know when Blockbuster went out of business, but like we had this small town video rental store, and we would bike there and like rent like three or four. horror movies and watched them and that's how we got all of our like Friday the 13th like like crap fest uh horror movies so that was was it family video well I had family video you had family video okay sweet we did too but like the one I'm talking about was like an actual pop it was no it was like literally mom and pop like I knew the owner and his wife and they had a kid and like they basically bought this storefront bought all these videos on loan and then they just started renting them renting them out and then they were around for like 15 years. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

But the thing I want to bring up which I don't think I've talked to anybody like you directly Patty which is fascinating to me because I think you and I are kind of like kindred spirits like I grew up I I'm not psychic at all I I don't claim myself to be psychic and I've never explored that part uh of possibility no you've had shit happen but you're too logical to accept that they've happened yeah that's but anyway that's the flip side like you know if you have a logical analytic brain and you experience the stuff you kind of like tend to try to like overanalyze but anyway my thing with with what hearing you speak it sounds a lot like how I grew up as well including like the familial stuff which I can go into more um before I before I finish like before you like sorry to interrupt yeah yeah no no no for some reason I feel like you've had like maybe you have a brother or something around that that is like your like similar age or is your age and like I don't know I could absolutely be wrong but I feel like there was a lot going on like maybe in your family or something like that maybe even like some type of divorce or something and you I feel like it really started with you like hearing things and I do feel for some reason that you do have some types of abilities that I do and are more in tuned than average people and maybe I don't know I just I feel like this kind of weird connection towards you in a like in a different way and I always pick up on stuff like this I do feel like there's like a little gateway or like a little door that you could absolutely open up and you could be exactly like how I am.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

Oh man that's that's too much stress only because I have like a family and kids and like a my job and stuff like I can't imagine like taking taking on a psych like being a psychic oh I gotta be a psychic now too um no I I think that it's kind of interesting and and gave me goosebumps to hear you uh kind of do a a mini read and I thank you for that by the way um I will say up front that I don't have a brother that I know about however you did hit the nail on the head with the um the divorce stuff like when I was younger um and my mom my mom's probably gonna kill me for bringing this up on the show um but my mom and dad did get divorced when I was young and that did weigh heavily on me as a kid and I still have memories about that and I think from that point point of time in my life when that happened I became for either psychological or paranormal or like both whatever whatever justification you want to give like I became more in tune with my surroundings and I think that fed a lot into who I am as a perception perceptual person like you are and that's why I said like I kind of relate to you the way you're speaking about your past and like what you've experienced and you're still young you still got a ways to go like I'm much older than you but what's really interesting to me like hits the nail on the head again like so hard is that you talk about this extra perception that is beyond what most people are around you and here's the crazy thing and this this is me giving you some advice now hopefully good advice um you like me when I was your age I was not very good at articulating and um breaking down and synthesizing my experiences to other people but I bet you and please confirm if I'm wrong or not I bet you any money that you have all these swirling thoughts that are very deep and complex but you probably don't have a lot of avenues or venues to express them at this age. And so my my hope is that like or the hope that I can give to you is as you get older you get more experienced you see more things you get more verbose and like you know uh all this other stuff I think things will start to settle and become more um easily expressible and like or not expressible but like easily digestible to pass on to somebody else to understand.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

Did you live in like an older kind of house? I I'm just seeing like brown like I'm seeing maybe like an older type of like kitchen maybe the house was like older than this time. I feel like maybe I wasn't picking up on a brother I feel like maybe you were a kid and you felt like there was like another entity there like maybe you had like a different type of like not even an imaginary friend but I felt like there was a young boy that would follow you around there and that wasn't your brother but I've seen that it would like kind not even a guardian angel but kind of like walking you through these things and even at that house the house had a lot of residual energy and you as a kid would pick up on that and maybe even now you don't remember that but you absolutely had like a little like friend or like maybe some like crazy phenomena would happen like maybe you had like some things randomly move or you just felt like there was somebody always with you at all times I can very well a hundred percent tell you that it is either it was like a little boy or it was somebody that like it was a kid that lost their life too early on. And you picked up on that. And even about like you communicating to me about um all of my emotions I genuinely do talk to myself and I posted a video about like not only do I feel my emotions but I also feel everyone else's at the same time. And I also really focus on journaling and I talk like I've gained a lot of knowledge with dealing with my emotions and just being authentically myself and spending a lot of time alone. And I am a really open person when it comes to communicating and I know not a lot of people are 100% going to be there for me because I've had a lot of people stab me in the back actually just found up some more stuff today. But with me being a different type of people with a different light absolutely people are going to try to take me down just like the negative things like Annabelle and stuff that's even that if it is in the other side it happens to me in real life. So obviously like I'm really um passionate about letting those feelings out letting those emotionals like emotions out and I'm trying to work on that more because I do bottle them up because I don't know not necessarily how to express them but sometimes I don't know whether they're there because I feel so much. So I don't I can't differentiate mine versus everyone else's but absolutely I'll take that advice.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

Wow that that's phenomenal like I I will say too like to kind of reiterate and like strengthen what you said um as a kid I would say that it is fair to to to uh postulate that I did kind of get the feeling that there was an extrasensory energy or being that was with me and I've thought about that many times. I wouldn't necessarily call it like a little boy. It could have been I I I mean I could be just reading the energy and like you're the one who's actually running home. But I will say that I've had so many times in my young life where I felt like there was something kind of watching out for me in a strong way and I I'll just give you one example which is really kind of strange. Like I I I think I should have died at at uh the age of like seven or eight I think and I'll you tell you guys tell me if I yeah I never tell you it's like okay hold on no you no you tell me if I I've been friends with you for almost 20 years and you never told me this because it's not that big of a deal but it it I mean the dying part sounds dramatic but just you guys tell me and the audience tell me if I'm crazy.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

Genuinely sense like a car.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

She's got it she she hit the nail on the head here's the scenario so my friend and I six years old we like you know he he was the only male friend in my neighborhood he came over to play like usual and we're basically playing by ourselves in my mom's my childhood house back in Pennsylvania. Oh yeah no no no no no not not not not during the danger part not during the danger part but like we we used to like basically it was a very it was a neighborhood where there's like a lot of like uh openness you could like we kids are on the street like we literally got in this red plastic wagon and we just like barrel down this steep hill without helmets it was the stupidest thing ever but that's that's the setting so we used to play this game called cave and we would open up the trunk of this old ass car from the 90s that didn't have any breathing room or like air in it when it was closed and we would like first we would go through the back seat open up the back seat like lower the back seats down I remember the story. Do you remember the story? Okay I know I'm a six dude fuck you uh I and then we would like get into the back seat and we would have had like we would crack the trunk a little bit so we could open it and it's not like today where they have this new this new fangled safety feature where you can open up the trunk no matter what on the inside this was an old ass car where you could not do that. So one of our dumb asses forgot to unlatch the trunk and we went in through the back open seat and then closed it and we were literally locked like latched in the trunk. And the reason why that's scary twofold first of all you could run out of air I think if I don't know if to this day if it was like airtight. I haven't really researched the car and like if if you could have run out of oxygen. But um honestly I think that it's possible and the second creepy thing is my mom was going down to feed the dog at that time uh and she just happened to hear our screams and yelps six year old cries from this trunk in the garage at this weird time where like she came down to feed the dog like two hours earlier than usual. And I still remember to this day that like that stood out to me as a s even as a six year old. I'm like why did my mom come down and hear us like five minutes after we got trapped because like there shouldn't been there should not have been a reason why she came downstairs to feed the dog two hours before she usually does on this given day. And I think I've even asked her to this day and she's completely lost memory of it. But like it like that just seems like a divine alignment. But then I also think about things like well they tell you like sometimes you hear things like oh if you die in this reality you're just gonna continue on in the next reality like something miraculous is going to happen and like the you in the previous reality actually did die.

SPEAKER_01 55:10

And I don't know I I think about crazy stuff like that but like what's your take on something like that happening like un unlikely probability things aligning um I believe that there is a lot of things that happen to a lot of people that kind of like gives you I feel like there's a lot of things that are like kind of like Final Destination. It is meant like it's going to end you but it's not your time and it shows you that that's not it's not your time. However like with the alignment there's multiple people that I've talked to where they've almost died I've almost died but I think it's just like a really like maybe a message in even foreshadowing. You know what I mean? Like there's been possibly foreshadowing of maybe with like cars like how that happened it's giving you uh foreshadowing to be careful in cars in the future like a little message previous message of even I got into like a car accident or I've almost died from like something and I've always kind of been like weary of that like it kind of like keeps your little guard up or like I know you don't you're never gonna forget that. So you're like maybe I'm gonna stay away from back seats for like you know stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

Patty I did want to ask you if we don't mind going back a little bit um you said you lived in a haunted house you mind sharing some of the things you explicitly remember that happened to you that were like whoa this is really fucking weird. And another thing that you touched on was makeshift Ouija boards and I guess demonic interactions like them interacting with you. I'm kind of curious as to what that was like did you see them or was it just more so them influencing your behavior or just hearing things so with my experiences as a kid I have always heard footsteps but when I did make a makeshift Ouija board um it really did influence everything.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

I was 11 when I made this makeshift Ouija board with my friend and I opened up a portal and that's how I felt like I really started to have my abilities because I could talk to these things and it felt like it was able to talk to me and communicate through me and to me more. I thought I was just like this awesome paranormal investigator that was meant to be a paranormal investigator and I wasn't able to have those abilities. However that really opened the can of worms for me and ever since then I've had an attachment from then and I would hear footsteps even me and my uh cousin we would hear kids laughing there'd be random phenomena my TVs would go static you would hear things running up and down the stairs I would physically see footsteps underneath my door and they weren't there. I have a creepy secret room in my attic and the door is like one of those push-up doors. However like when I would hear things up there it would be pushed up and moved. So little things would be moved and then I did have this phone I had a landline phone and it all started with it randomly like ringing sometimes like and there would be nobody there. And with the landline it on our message machine would absolutely be like four four zero like it would announce that there is a phone number calling that it is a specific person. However it would just start calling after school for me and it would always try to mess with me. I've never had a babysitter so I'd always come home straight home by myself. So when I was alone it started with just trying to mess with me and it wouldn't just ring kind of like the black phone it would just ring it'd be a phone that's just ringing and nobody's on the other line. And of course it was trying to break my fear. So as time it happened for months and halfway through of the consistent ringing it would happen at night. And when I lived with my sister and my dad my sister had the upstairs room and I had a very open room because we needed to make room so I had an open room downstairs where like across the hall where that phone was. And it would get really scary because I would have to sleep with the lights on and it would call and ring. And then it would like mess with the message machine where it would get static y and there was this one time um I was okay I came home from school and I would lose sleep from this phone but I yanked the phone out of the wall I re yanked the landline out the wall and I unplugged the message machine so there's no power to it. Right after that I still have the video the phone rang with me yanking it out the wall it rang. And then of course my dad got really frustrated with me because of course he like he understood it because he heard it too after a while because it would mess with me all the time and it became really confident. But we plugged it back in but at night I would turn the volume all the way down because you know if it does ring the messenger scene whatever like there's nothing it could do. One time I got mad and I was like on like Skype or something with one of my friends and I picked it up and I hear so I was like this is really weird. Maybe it's just static maybe it's something like that. Put it down a couple nights later at 3 a.m it would ring and then it continuously got really more frequent and confident with ringing at 3 a.m and of course me being in an open room and the phone being like down the hall it would scare anyone as a kid. And there was this one time I again turned it all the way down and unplug it. It rang and it got really violent and all you hear is the message machine and it started to relay the on the message machine and of course it was turned down but it turned itself up. And I remember that being the most scariest thing ever. And even before this happened like the very end of it I begged my aunt to stay at her house for like a couple weeks and of course she said no like you're just being delusional. You gotta go home. And I remember running up to my dad's room and I looked down the hall because of course here's my room here's the hallway leading to that phone and then here's the stairs. So you know I got to take my little trip and I'm like gotta go from my bed to the hall to see down there and then run up the stairs and you know when you feel like you're being watched up the stairs you're booking it. I started booking it but I looked and I could see a little shadow figure. And of course I was young so who knows exactly what I saw but I started running. And after that's when everything really went downhill and uh it got more frequent. And then we ended up getting a new landline phone because we're like maybe it's broken. But then of course it happened again. And there's been times where like my bed was in front of the door and at 3 a.m the door bell would ring by itself. And it really opened that can of worms when my friend said who was there and I felt like something wanted to be invited in and we accidentally did invite it in and that broke up my entire um life of why I do this because of course I had an attachment and that's why when I mentioned before when I really went through a deep depression that I was sensitive to these things and I didn't know that. And even with the makeshift Ouija board we tried to burn the Ouija board like I said a couple nights after I got scratched like I physically got scratched on my back and on my old Snapchat I probably have a picture. I have a lot of release TikTok videos of like old things like toys would be turning on like even like the push toys as a kid like it would turn on when it's turned off things would just like Snapchat filters would pop up behind me. Like even the dog filter would like be on my face but it'd pop up behind me on like a blank wall. Things were just really making itself known. Yeah I think the phone genuinely like messed me up and when I thought I was possessed one time I was watching Annabelle and I remember blacking out with my friends and my mouth and my nose was bleeding and that's how I got on the Elton and Corey podcast like four years ago. And even with like with the demonic things fast forwarding to now I go on these investigations and I do videos with other psychics they're like Patty I really think you're like overly focused on the negative but I don't think I'm overly focused on the negative. I'm just glad that I'm aware of it and it interests me more and I see really demonic things and I've had a lot of trauma with a lot of negative people coming in my life. So even I feel like I pick up on the negative people and the way I can differentiate it being like really demonic is when it knows things that I haven't told anyone and when it's really intelligent.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

Yeah I think the intelligence and knowing specific knowledge is a one of like the main factors when you know you're dealing with uh the infernal if you don't mind sharing you said you've seen some of them what do they look like do they look similar to how they're portrayed in Hollywood okay so I really like this question because a lot of people love one of my biggest pet peeves is a lot of people like to say everything's demonic. But mine too I rant about that that we I think we did a podcast about that Dean where I ranted on how everything's not fucking demonic but I'm sorry go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:52

No you're good. Uh yeah so going into stuff like this my biggest pet peeve is when everyone says that everything's demonic because if you think about it there's lots of like residual energy and spirits that get stuck being you know in someone's house or whatever. However those negative people um absolutely in real life are negative they're going to be negative in the other room too so if someone absolutely hates their life they're going to be negative and they're gonna talk bad to you and you're gonna think that just because it's evil or negative that it's going to be demonic. But how they look to me is I know a lot of people don't know how visions and things come up to me in general and I like to not really to get off topic, but how I see the normal things as well is how visions come to me is I don't know if you've ever been at like let's say you're at the store and you're envisioning how exactly what you're gonna make dinner. You're literally probably thinking of how like you're gonna grab the pot, you're gonna grab this, you're gonna physically see yourself making that dinner. That's how I physically See the other side. And when I step into things like that, is I can physically see what they were doing in that moment. And I try to describe exactly what I'm seeing. And I have like those little visions and like flashbacks in my head, or just stuff like that, like visions. But when negative things like this come to me, it becomes more stronger in detail. And I feel like it's not Hollywood. However, most of the things that are negative or demonic come in your big in your worst fears because they want to break you down. Um, one of the most demonic things that I've been dealing with recently is the hat man. I believe that the hat man is a manifestation of negative energy. And a lot of people and a lot of kids see this when they are younger. And that's what a lot of kids like feed on is like how the boogeyman is in Hollywood, is I believe the hat man is in real life. So it's the manifestation. But however, I see like with the negative or the dark, is I kind of say it and explain it is like kind of how some of the insidious demons are. I wouldn't say like the big, like red demon, but absolutely like pointy fingers. It depends who I'm dealing with. Um, I feel like some of the most like the most powerful is absolutely the hat man, but what I've been seeing is like red eyes and like pointy teeth. And that's how I can differentiate it. And if not, it pops up as something, but there's always a shadow behind it. So if it doesn't want me to see that it is somebody and it wants to trick me, I always believe that there's a dark aura around it. So how we have what like white auras and light auras, I feel like it could never have that. So just like I was explaining that I can see through like your eyes or like your body language, I could see that. And then I can see its true self by whoever it's pretending to be, but with like a dark shadow behind it. And just that vibe. Um, or another one that I have been in really in contact with is this negative witch demonic like type of spirit, is it comes as it's beautiful, but I can see through it and it has a black veil and it's like really pointy fingers. So I feel like there's obviously like different entities, but I feel like there is lots of portals, and I am a portal, so I see a lot of different things. But if it is more demonic, like I said, negative shadow behind it, and it's pretending to be something else.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:22

Do you inadvertently encounter them? Like you're not intentionally trying to encounter them, I assume. You're not seeking them out. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

Yes. I unintentionally do it, but I also, like I said previously, I believe that I am kind of like a sparkle in a negative world that I like, even with being a psychic and abilities and empath, with being through so much, I feel like when you are more of a positive person, you're gonna sh shine brighter, and that's gonna draw them to me because they want to take me down. So I intentionally do it because I go in positive, and just like haters in the world that see people doing their thing, they want to take you down faster.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:11

Sure. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's something with the demonic, of course, they're always going to try to latch on to and try to take you down. Um, Dean, like our good friend JJ always says, like the infernal um absolutely hates us because we are what they can't be. They can't be us.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:32

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:33

So they so they from uh so I'm not sure what your religious background is, but from I'm I'm I was I'm a bad Catholic, but um exactly Catholic. Yeah, look, man, I try, okay? I try. I'm kidding. Jesus. I look, I I try not to be a dick, and I think that's like the biggest that should be the biggest takeaway. If you're a follower of Jesus, don't be a dick. That's that's literally his number one teacher.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:07

Yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

Like it's not hard to not hate people, you know? Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:14

Positivity.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:16

Absolutely. But yeah, like with the infernal and what JJ calls them per natural beings, they're the type of beings that were never human, will never be human, and they absolutely hate us for that fact. And that's why they they try to possess you and and break you down and harm you in any way that they possibly can. If you're interested in this type of stuff, might I recommend a book by uh former exorcist uh Father Malachi Martin. Um he was a Jesuit priest and he was an exorcist and he wrote this book called Hostage to the Devil, in which he documents uh actual cases that he took part in. I believe it was like in the 1960s or 70s in New York City. So I think you would be I think you'd find that interesting. And I would say like since you tend to attract things more and you actively investigate and stuff like that, I would say just try to be extra careful when it comes to the demonic. I know you and I are kind of similar in the sense that like I hyperfixate on the negative side of the paranormal. It's like okay, great, there's angels, whatever. But I want to see like the fucking winged horned things, you know, like I wanna see like I wanna see shit that uh looks like I don't know, like demons from like a video game or something like that, you know? Because that's what you think about in your mind's eye. Like when you have a bout of sleep paralysis, the first time I had sleep paralysis, um, I'm like laying there on my side, and I'm like, when I could finally move, I'm like, fuck, I don't want to move, I don't wanna pick my head up because I'm gonna see something I don't want to see. You you have these preconceived images in your head of what you're afraid of seeing, but you kind of want to see them at the same time. But the fact that you're able to see them, they know you can see them. So they're gonna latch on to people that can see them, they're gonna latch on to people that can feel that they're around. Whatever form of protection you do, I would just, you know, make sure you double it. Especially since you're like getting started. You said you just started with your abilities like three years ago, yeah. Or something like that. Yeah, I would just be hyper vigilant when it comes to that stuff, especially since you've actually been physically harmed. Because that's like, do you st think you still have that attachment?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:59

Um, I feel like I don't have that attachment, but I feel like my attachment got stuck somewhere else because I have something stronger trying to attach itself to me. However, I do feel like my guardian angels do absolutely protect me. And I went through this time span of a year of when I was, I went to this location and I was set up. I can't exactly go into detail of exactly how it was set up. Let's just say there's been I was physically attacked and specific people like to make locations more haunted and to stand out to the mind's eye. So you walk into things as a psychic and you channel when you shouldn't have channeled because you don't know what you're dealing with, because you there's a facade that this isn't the like location. Like if I go to the Warren's Museum, I'm already knowing that I'm gonna set up what I'm dealing with. But if you go into a location that you don't think is actually gonna be as haunted, but they open some things up to make more money, you're gonna get set up. And after that, I believed absolutely I do have an attachment. But what I really, really work on is just staying my positive self and just being in my head and talking to myself. And I have cleansed myself in what multiple ways. And I do feel like after that, I stopped channeling so hard. And there is specific things that do try to get to me, but my grandma has always been here for me. Like I always can feel her protecting me, and she closed me off from dealing with these things. And ever since the museum, I've have physically gotten better with knowing what's right and what's wrong and when I should stop. My last investigation, something literally physically told me in my entire group that it was coming for me, and it always says that it's coming for me. And uh, you know what I did? I'm just a girl and I took a nap. And I did not invest anymore. So and yeah, the sheriffs got called because they physically thought that somebody was at the location, and I'm like, like, I've just I was like, what this is not for me anymore, nothing is messing with me. I'm gonna go tonight. But guys, I ate a lunchable first, so I'm also a really good big person, so I was like, you know what, this is not messing with me, I'm leaving. So yeah, I've physically taken myself out of these situations now. I'm doing better.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:27

By the way, I like the I love actually, I love the idea that like all of our collective grandmothers are in the afterlife talking about us.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:34

I'm protecting my granddaughter, like you know what I mean, like something like that. Like you said, that's a real that's a great theory. I think we should continue with that theory on.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:46

I got one more question for you, Patty, before I you alluded to this earlier before we started with the technology stuff, so I'll let you get to that here in a second. Patty, you mentioned that you've had sleep paralysis. Is that a frequent occurrence or was it like a one-time thing?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:05

When I was starting to get into my obsession with the paranormal, it was a frequent occurrence. It was right after I was talking to uh whatever I was talking to, because I got in contact with the most popular Ouija demon that was manifested. It got to me. And honestly, I did have a viral TikTok that went viral because it said that I was it wanted to marry me and it was like saying I was pretty. And of course, I was just like messing, like around, like, ha ha. And then it said that it wanted me with it. And I was like, what am I talking to right now? And it said car accident, like I was gonna get into a car crash, and I was going to get into a car crash in six years and come with it. And a lot of people don't know, like a lot of people want to make a dark romance book on that, but it was genuinely my life. And I got into a car accident where my um friend's sister's brakes completely went out, like right like a couple days after that happened, and around the same area six years later, that it told me I did almost die in a car accident. So after that day, I told myself I was never going to communicate with the like the Ouija board ever again. Um, but right after that, of course, I did have sleep paralysis for a really long time because I didn't properly close out that gateway. And it was physically, physically getting to me. And that's what led me to my really down negative depression in my negative depressive state for two to three years. But that's what grew me to mature like to the level I am today, because I sat with myself. I went to therapy a little bit and I realized that I need to become myself and I need to become stronger. And a lot of people don't even get that opportunity to mature in a way of realizing that I need to become the strongest and best version of myself. So when I really started to think positive and started working on myself physically and mentally, honestly, I believed that it became so strong that there's no way that it can physically have like affect me. I haven't had sleep paralysis in I would say around seven, eight, like seven years, maybe seven, eight years until I went to the Warren's A Call Museum, because I was at the exact same mindset. It made me at the exact same mindset that I was when I went through my really deep depression. So that's why I was really scared at the museum because when I was staring at the shadow doll sitting in the middle of the museum, um, I felt exactly like I went back in time when I was in that really bad depressive state. And that's what scared me the most because it wanted me to go back to that.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:32

And when you had sleep paralysis, did you I know people say they see like shadow people, they see hags. Fortunately for me, when I had my one bout of sleep paralysis, I didn't see anything. Uh Mr. Dean over here saw fucking lizard people trying to abduct and probe him as an 11-year-old. But um did you did you see did you see anything, or was it kind of like you wake up and it's like, oh shit, I can't move.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:04

The hat man's always been in my life, I feel. I feel like it's one of my biggest fears, and I feel like it knows that. And the same thing that I see right now, and sometimes when I do open those portal and like that camera can of worms when I do investigate, that's really been getting to me is I see a hat man with red glowing eyes and sharp teeth. So that is exactly what I seen, but there would be some times where like I physically couldn't move, and like I said, um, sometimes I'd wake up crying or shaking, and yeah, it would physically get to me really hard. Or I would see the hat man with the phone because that's where it would try to contact me through.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:43

You know what's interesting, Dean. If you remember that one follower that we had that I think he was from Northern Ireland, and he wrote us a pretty hefty uh email about his paranormal experiences and how anytime there was something negative in his life, like ever since a very early age, there was always this like shadowy hat man type of figure around him, yeah, at all times.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:14

So I see where I came with with the negative, like I think that it's like the strong entity of like your biggest fears and your negative um manifestations. I think that it is a really well-known entity that comes like wandering through like the boogeyman in people's lives like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:31

Did you ever think of like going somewhere to try to help get rid of it? Or do you think it just sporadically shows up when you're in that mind state of mind where you're pretty down on yourself?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:46

Truthfully, I have been blessed before and it has gone away. However, I think that with me being a psychic with abilities, I can't necessarily ever get rid of the negative completely unless I completely decided to let go of this entire career. Um, because I can absolutely protect my like physical and outer self. And that's why I focus so much on going to the gym, having a good mental space, and like being positive, because I feel like I always open that portal and always open that door because I am a walking portal. So rather than the normal person, um, if I was an average person that didn't have abilities, absolutely like I would be blessed and I would like go on to these things and I would always be uh safe and protected, which I am still safe and protected, but I feel like I'm always opening that door no matter what. And I have to be physically and mentally strong. So to protect myself as well is absolutely getting blessed. But I do always open that, and it does come back when I am in a negative headspace. However, if I am in a negative location, like the the locations I was ex explaining that they opened portals and negative portals, that's where I see it. But I feel like it comes when you are at your most fearful state.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:05

No, I I think that makes complete sense. That really does. You know, these things get attracted to you. I I say they definitely feed off that negativity, and that's why they tend to hover and and stick around.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:17

Yeah, and the last thing I wanted to add, which um this has been a great conversation, by the way. This I love this. This has been a great breakdown, lots of experiences. And the one thing I want to emphasize to our listeners is this is our first time, I think if not a long time, or not ever. Like we've had a really young individual who had a lot of experiences, a lot of good insight. And I like the I like the technological aspect, the technology angle that kind of overlapped with Chris's previous um experiences when he was younger. Um, so I think there's more to unpack there. Maybe we can have like a part two or something like that, talking more in depth about these specific type types of experiences in the more modern realm for younger people. Um but I I I I just absolutely love this conversation. I want to say thank you again for it. And Chris, do you have any last questions for her? Or um do you want to just ask her for any insight?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:14

No, I think I think I'm good. Um Patty, I know we've gone over an hour and I want to be respectful of your time. It is pretty late for two out of the three of us here, uh Mr. Hawaii. But uh Patty, thank you so much for agreeing to come on the show and to what Dean said. I would love to have you back on uh for a second episode. Um, maybe we could have you back on after you do some additional investigations and we could talk about some of the evidence that you encounter and capture. I think that would be a good conversation. Um, but why don't you share with the listeners where they could find you and your content?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:56

All right. So uh yeah, so where you guys can find me is it's actually tattooed on my arm because this is the most awesome manifestation is Patty Paranormal on all social medias. And of course, anyone willing to uh follow me, you can always message me if you ever need anything. I'm always answering all messages, it doesn't matter how many numbers you have. I don't believe numbers matter in any content realm. We're all human beings and always follow your dreams no matter what.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:28

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SPEAKER_00 1:25:02

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