Sex, Drugs and Skincare
Comedian and esthetician, Nicky Davis, along with side kick/boyfriend/assistant Sandro Iocolano, interviews comedians, actors and other practitioners as we learn about the latest, as well as the oldest techniques for staying young. We get weird but educational.
Sex, Drugs and Skincare
THE FACE WE DESERVE/ SPECIAL GUEST KaDee STRICKLAND
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This episode with our special guest KaDee Strickland, of the hit show Private Practice, and movies such as The Grudge, Anacondas. to the significance of facial expressions in shaping our identity and health. We discuss how both joyful and harsh experiences imprint our faces, explore the importance of laughter, and celebrate iconic faces that inspire authenticity and self-love.
• Examining how facial expressions reflect our experiences
• The relationship between laughter and facial appearance
• Personal reflections on beauty pressures from upbringing
• Discussing celebrity faces as narratives of lived experiences
• Emphasizing the journey toward self-acceptance through expression
You are listening to, watching, hearing, smelling, tasting and feeling sex drugs and skincare. Like and subscribe. Welcome back to Sex Drugs and Skincare. Hi, I'm Nikki Davis Jr. Hi there, Hi, hi, welcome back. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for welcoming me back to my show.
Speaker 2Thank you, I had no idea. I was here until you said welcome back.
Speaker 1I know I was like what we were blending in with the scenery, by the way.
Speaker 3By the way, I was just noticing that I like it though.
Speaker 2I don't know if it happens just because of the clothes I happen to have clean or if I'm doing it on purpose.
Speaker 1It could be a little bit of both, and then you've got your stripe through your pajamas that matches as well.
Speaker 2That's true. I've been a big fan of purple and blue and reds. I like those kind of combination colors.
Speaker 1It's a shame to have to kick you out once the guest comes over here.
Speaker 2That's the only reason I like Get dance like no one wants you to be there, I think something like that. But also, you know, when no one's looking, you just do it for the second. You do it for this is for the thumbnail. I do it for the thumbnail.
Speaker 1Do it for the thought, I do it for the thumbnail, even do it for the thumbnail that's like when you're just like I just gotta get this shit over with yeah, yeah, so I was here, you know people don't realize you're just taking a picture of me.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, and then you're like wow, was he good in the movie.
Speaker 1I was there for 20 seconds? I don't know well, it's like we do the podcast for the clips, basically. So, yeah, so now to do the clips for the thumbnail right if anybody actually watch or listen to podcast.
Speaker 2You all you hear was but but the teasers are just when we actually speak.
Speaker 1That's when we speak.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, thank you that's gonna be on accident from now on.
Speaker 1That's gonna be terrible well, I'm your skincare therapist. Uh, what am I? Stand-up esthetician, licensed comedian. Yep, this is my co-host, boyfriend slash Sherpa. Slash set decorator. You've done a lovely job today, thank you. You chose the color of the balls. Yeah, I decided to kind of.
Speaker 2I wanted to be different and keep it the same as last week Because what it does is it creates a level of stability, yet Hmm. Will they do it the same way?
Speaker 1Yeah, that's kind of like our relationship a little bit. You're right, right, right, it looks like it is.
Speaker 2Keeps it spicy. We have, like. It's like one of those stores you pass by on the uh, on the freeway, where it says fireworks and it looks like a huge warehouse and then when you get to it, you realize that it's just a tiny place and the giant sides are just built, you know. So it looks like it's a big place.
Speaker 1Oh, I never even noticed that, yeah that's how we are.
Speaker 2We're happy. Now, when we go home, it's just fisticuffs, fisticuffs, and we just yell at each other. The cats have to keep us apart. Yeah, that's our relationship. It's a firework store. That's misleading.
Speaker 1Misleading firework store. I don't know why I picked a fireworks store. I don't know either.
Speaker 2But I think we're, you know we're explosive, we are explosive. Yeah, you can save it anyway.
Speaker 1Yeah we have a couples counselor we do that's very explosive.
Speaker 2I have three therapists right now. You have only two, right? Well, oh yeah, one of them just subscribes the meds, oh, that's right.
Speaker 1That's true.
Speaker 2yes, I get a monthly subscription to anti anti-depression to being not an asshole pretty much. Yeah, really it's the moods yeah yeah what do?
Speaker 2you mean? I'm saying the mood shifts that's what I have, a hard time dealing with other people's mood shifts oh, is that what it is no, it's mine. I know it's me. Thank you for saying that thank you and I'm glad to find out that you, you re um, you re-upped your license, your comedic license I did yeah, last week she was thinking about doing it, because wasn't it last week you said you were unlicensed?
Speaker 1I was because I didn't want to take the state board test because it wasn't exciting enough. Board, that's the kind of writing B-O-R-E-D. Okay, fine.
Speaker 2No, I like it because I can tell you, re-upped it again because, instead of saying I get the state board exam because I'd be too bored, you said bored and then you said because it's not so exciting. You didn't say bored twice, and that's good writing.
Speaker 1Speaking of bored, that's another good improv. Yeah, oh yeah, we're going to teach you some bad improv. Great, some good bad improv. Yeah, that's a good one too.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, improv, great good bad improv. Yeah, that one's, that's a good one too. Yeah, oh yeah, bad and ugly, but not on this skincare podcast. There's no ugly on this podcast, no, well, I haven't had anybody, have I no? But there's no ugliness, no good shit, it's all good we have to.
Speaker 1I can have language, yeah yes, yeah, I think you can. I mean I yes, I have language everybody, she has language um, this is so.
Speaker 2This is such a great day this has been the best podcast I've ever done. Thank you so much. To see you next week tune in next week.
Speaker 1This is a great day I know well, this came up very um. Uh, this was not.
Speaker 2It was planned, but not planned, yeah wait, we, we plan to have a friday. Let's, we did people. At least we plan to have a friday. But what happened to this day?
Speaker 1we didn't expect it to happen well, originally, uh, I invited a friend whom I've not seen for a while because she's moved away. Um, but she, I've known her for I don't know, like 14 15 years, something like that.
Speaker 315 years, bananas 15 years bananas.
Speaker 1It's crazy. And she was going to do it, we were going to do it on Zoom and then, I don't know, 24 hours later you were like hey, I have a meeting, can you see me? I mean, do you want to?
Speaker 2can I come in? Let's do it in person.
Speaker 1And I was like hell yeah, you can.
Speaker 2I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1I couldn didn't text you the first time. I was like she's gonna be busy, she doesn't have time to zoom with me. And now you're here I was wondering.
Speaker 3I was like she hasn't reached back out about that. We talked about this months ago maybe she's bored no, god, no, we're back to board.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly, oh, you brought it. She brought it back around it's full circle. Yeah, back to board it's the name of the second name of our podcast.
Speaker 2Yeah, back to black. It's back to back to.
Speaker 1I get it. Well, let's bring her out.
Speaker 2Okay, let's do it. Should we do?
Speaker 1that.
Speaker 2I'm absolutely excited. You've talked about this person for as long as I've known you, and that's been too long Then.
Speaker 1I've known you not to talk to a person. Oh, okay, that's true, your friend's very nice Thank you.
Speaker 2But no, I've known about this person for quite some time. You referenced her. I've talked about you a lot, we've seen you. Oh boy, I don't want to give away what she does, but if you look up at a television that you're watching, you might see her on there. You might have seen her. There's a very good chance that you've seen her on there and I've seen her on there and you've been very, very nice about her, so let's intro okay, so I'm just going to give you the credits that I can recall.
Speaker 1Do you have anything else that you want to mention, or anything? I don't know what you're gonna say. I know what happens. All right, so she was in the grudge, she was in anacondas which is what?
Speaker 3the second one yeah, baby, they're remaking it into a comedy. Now did you know?
Speaker 1there's no way I should be a musical jack black, shut it, it's gonna be fucking great. Oh god God. I wish you were on the event so I could come visit you on set. That's amazing. She was on the Chew.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, that was so fun, that was so fun. I remember. I miss that show.
Speaker 1It's gone now, right.
Speaker 3It's gone. I get rid of all the good shit.
Speaker 1Did I already say Private Practice? No, she was a doctor. What's your dad's name? Charlotte King. That's right, such a great name for a doctor. It was. Dr Charlotte King. It's so suiting for this person on private practice and she was dressed in very little clothing for a very long time in my life.
Speaker 3Yes, and that was just on your table.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's true too. Table to screen yes, what's that Table to screen? Yeah, that's true too. Table to screen yes, what's that Table to screen?
Speaker 2Yeah, the farmer's market of acting, yeah.
Speaker 3Oh my God, maybe you would help me get ready, for every time they made me drop trowel Like that's a real thing. Oh my God.
Speaker 1Yeah, baby. Oh, my God, All right, we're going to bring you over here. You guys come into the couch right now.
Speaker 3I, yeah, yay, with my friends with with the mystery man that I heard so much yeah, today.
Speaker 2Wow, I had no idea that you had friends back then. Yeah, the shit talked something I know yeah, thank you I didn't return text messages a lot. I'm sorry you did, I know just a couple times.
Speaker 1You didn't, and I talked to my therapist about it. Oh, I had to get advice she was sweet on you.
Speaker 3I actually because you you had changed so much in your life. It was if the south has hair salons where people talk shit, the table it.
Speaker 3It would go from like because I really fell hard for you, hence the shirt yeah, thank you and you know, I remember there would come a point where, like we would have to get our chatter out of the way and then I I mentally had to relax because your hands were so good, but it was really hard not to want to keep talking shit we'd have to stop at some point.
Speaker 1Can I put this over there a little bit more, just in case? Yeah, tawdry okay, there you go I just wanted to see it next to your face If I had a dollar.
Speaker 2We'll be right back.
Speaker 1That's what we say after arguments too.
Speaker 2In the middle of an argument and, like one of us will look over and just go, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1No, we'll be right back Just to break it up. That is good.
Speaker 3Sometimes we remember how is it being involved with a counterpart that is as wicked, smart and funny as you are? Is it hard to be communicative in a love language or in these moments where relationships get challenging because you're both fucking funny, or does it? Does that break the tension? I'm always so curious.
Speaker 2I think it breaks the tension, but maybe you know we've definitely been learning the tension, but maybe you know.
Speaker 1We've definitely been learning communication. Yes, very much. So.
Speaker 2Re-learning, you know, and I personally think that Nikki's way smarter than I am, because she's just Good that you know that.
Speaker 3Yes, thank you, I absolutely know that for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2She just picks up on stuff I don't, and you see things from a different perspective.
Speaker 1I don't want to pick up my clothes and dishes, clothes and dishes.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's true, but I find it as a sense of anger, so it's fine.
Speaker 1I just look at it as like a when I don't care about myself.
Speaker 2Yeah, but I like it. I like you, know. I see you as a normal person. I don't see you as like the wicked super smart person, but I do see it and I feel it as you're a funny person, you know.
Speaker 1Don't make this whole thing about me. Let's talk about you?
Speaker 3No, it's fun.
Speaker 1I missed you. I know, I missed you too.
Speaker 3We can talk. What do you?
Speaker 1want to know. Well, you already said your son was 11. Which is bananas? It is incredible. I remember when you were so pregnant with him, I was so pregnant.
Speaker 3I loved being pregnant.
Speaker 1You did, oh, I loved it.
Speaker 3I mean, yeah, because I think that was probably really and truly especially like doing what I do for a lifestyle. I don't think I understood the value of my body until I became pregnant. Wow, yeah, like that was. I was like, oh, this is so much bigger than my ego. Like, right, and he was the only successful pregnancy I had, so it was like out of the bottle, first attempt so, and I also.
Speaker 1I was 37, so I think oh my god, you have such a life you've lived, I'd been.
Speaker 3I think we'd been married, for how fuck was it seven years? Yeah, I think we've been married seven years when I got pregnant, so we'd had time 37 is is later on the spectrum of age, geriatric pregnancy.
Speaker 2Yeah, I didn't want to say that but, yeah, that's what that's what they call it right yeah, wow, I know, not offensive at all, no, but if you're 37, they don't consider you geriatric, though, right, or is it? That is this geriatric a word that's just lumped?
Speaker 3oh they, there's so many, well, and that was a long time ago, because now I'm 49, so that was, you know, a minute ago you look amazing, you look, you grab the ipad can you imagine what I would look like if you were still slapping me weekly you'd?
Speaker 1be.
Speaker 3I think about it all the time when I'm like, like I said, when I see shit in high def and I'm just like, oh, where's Nikki? Oh my God, like that's what it comes down to sometimes you look amazing.
Speaker 1I don't know what you're talking about, but yeah.
Speaker 3You know what there's? There's such a grace with aging. I think that I could not have foreseen it is so much less pressure in some ways to actually be the age where you're just like, well, fuck, there's not a lot I can do about it now. It's like Tom York said it best gravity always wins. It's just going to fucking happen, and I think there's a degree with which it's so tempting to just get sucked in to the self-loathing and the fear and all that but I swear having a son.
Speaker 3And when I did I had an acupuncturist at the time and she said to me because she had this experience where she was in the bath and she'd had her son and her son was little I want to say it was like six months maybe and her husband came into the bathroom while she was in the bath with the baby and she said something about her belly, like something very derogatory about her big fat belly or something, and he said don't talk that way about yourself in front of our son.
Speaker 3Oh, wow Because you are the framework of what beauty will always be to him. And if he hears that negative self-talk, that's what his standard will become. That's what his standard will become. And when she said that to me it was just like wow, this self-loathing cannot participate in my dynamic.
Speaker 3No, it ripples outwards yeah, and it really and it and it also just it's exhausting to like do that to yourself. So there's, I mean, like I think a lot of people obviously are talking about the substance. Have you guys seen it? I have not seen it yet. It's. I mean, I love horror anyway and I think the examination and the execution is worth watching. I would not say it's for everyone, but it should be, I think particularly. And I feel like, if you're here also, they didn't shoot in LA. When you see it it'll blow your mind. But it's so balls out Like and I've heard Demi Moore talk about this quite a lot Like the way we can be so harmful to ourselves with the way we talk and all this long winded to say you know, I think when you and I met, you were such an adjacent part of self-care.
Speaker 3You were built in self-care that was needed for the job, so that I looked good for work, but also it was so. Not about that, and I think about that a lot. I just don't with our kid. I don't want him to ever remember me in this moment as someone who didn't have self-love.
Speaker 1I can remember my mom I mean, she still does it, she will not allow any photo to be okay. And I grew up that way, thinking that I was never and so I learned how to make the worst faces on camera because I just I was so like thrown off that I didn't know how to smile on camera anymore.
Speaker 2I've only recently learned it, since you didn't know how to smile on camera anymore.
Speaker 1I've only recently learned it, since you know when you learn that you have to do a headshot, and yet they have to know how to smile.
Speaker 3But you're so foxy, you're such a foxy.
Speaker 1You've always been.
Speaker 3No, I'm not, it's the truth.
Speaker 1I look better moving than I do still.
Speaker 2That's a good. I like that. I I look better moving than I do still.
Speaker 1Yeah well, I mean every picture that you've taken. That's good of me.
Speaker 2I don't know you're about to take it. How come your dating profile is nothing but videos?
Speaker 3Also, if that was a fortune cookie, then you could add in bed.
Speaker 1Yes, oh, in bed, that's right. Oh, there we go. Yeah, I look better moving than still.
Speaker 3I'm fucked with two comedians.
Speaker 1I can't keep up with you. It's because I talk a lot. That's good, Alright. So what? Oh, I was just going to say my mom had the same. So all of us girls learned that we were less than perfect and have striven, strived.
Speaker 2Striven, striven, striven.
Speaker 1Yeah, our whole lives to be perfect. I am finally at the point where I'm just like it's not going to be perfect. I am finally at the point where I'm just like it's not going to be perfect. Quote unquote.
Speaker 3I'm just going to do the best that I can. That word not allowed in the house. No, Really like I have a real problem with that word.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3I do because it's. I mean, it just is resounding mediocrity if you're striving for perfection. Right, Because it's so outer and it's so other and it's so not in real time perfect.
Speaker 2Perfect doesn't exist unless you frame it yourself, and whatever you think perfect is it's always a comparison, too, of like what you are and what you think it should be in comparison.
Speaker 1When they say it's death to creativity, yeah it really, and it's.
Speaker 3It's interesting too, like I remember the makeup artist on Private Practice, the genius Sergio Rivera-Lopez, who now has an Academy Award after that show.
Speaker 1Oh my God, he's with Viola.
Speaker 3Davis, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3He's the best. I completely understand why she snatched him up and she should, because they're both great people. All that to say, I remember being in the trailer because the one thing will say about actors and you think about the narcissism and the insecurity, particularly if you're a woman. You are sitting in front of your face at four or five in the morning when you need more sleep, all the things, or if you've had too much sodium, it's just like your face is right in your face and it's unnatural to look at yourself that much.
Speaker 2It is.
Speaker 3It's completely screwed up, but I remember him saying he was like you know, you've really got to appreciate this, because I look at photos of myself and I think what the fuck was I talking about? Right, and it's so true, it's just, it's like it's like who does that?
Speaker 1sometimes I'll even give it six months and I'll look back at it and be like what the hell was I thinking like that?
Speaker 2I thought it was so horrible, yeah, it'll go to anything, even if I've written something down and I go back I'm like this is funny. Did I write this? This is my handwriting instead of saying like oh, this is cool, I'm like I don't remember this. Yeah, you just don't. In that moment it's you can cloud your own perception well, it can't be that good because I did it right, exactly, yeah, that's the mindset yeah, it's like a restaurant across the street can't be that good.
Speaker 1It's too close to us. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3Uh, well, we gotta get over that shit because, like, honestly, the I don't know, maybe it's because this has been such a banana's year so far, but I think my gratitude has been really immense.
Speaker 2It really and it really, because if you don't have that, it's just abysmal, I think right now it just feels that way, then nothing is, then nothing is how you want it.
The Power of Facial Expressions
Speaker 3No, and it is. There's a. There was a really lovely. I saw this great interview with Laura Dern, who I think is just a brilliant oh my. God, everything about her. Love her and she. She was asked. I want to say the question was what advice would you give your younger self? Or one of those kinds of questions, and it was. I think about it all the time. Keep your eyes on your own paper.
Speaker 3And it's just like, yeah, if we did that more, what would we actually see? What would we do? You know like how would our life look?
Speaker 1You can't compare things, it's just. Is that what you're talking about? It's human, yeah.
Speaker 3It's so human and I think it's so we're emboldened to do it with sort of the you talk about the generation that we came up in with sort of the. You talk about the generation that we came up in, I think. I think you're emboldened to just like self-hate to a certain degree, cause there was a lot of money was being made on self-hatred and insecurity.
Speaker 3I think we were very much branded with that. That was the brand and that was, and honestly it's funny Cause when I think about, like, all the skincare and all this stuff. When I met you, it very much changed my perception about how to relate to the largest organ on my body, not my ass, but it plays like an organ, sometimes Very musical plays like an organ.
Speaker 3Sometimes You're very musical, no, but it's, it's, it's. It is interesting Like I related to my skin differently because of you and certainly with my pregnancy I was so hardcore because of you and what you taught me. Now I need to remember that more.
Speaker 1What like? What are you talking about? What you put on your body?
Speaker 3Oh, what you put on. Yeah, anything you put on your body goes into your body.
Speaker 1Yeah, but also I like that you and I would work on things like that would make your skin look healthy. Yes, I wasn't trying to make you look perfect. I was trying to get rid of, you know, any lymphatic stagnancy like lift many muscles that you know, stuff the fat pads where they're supposed to be for a little while, and then your body. You were doing the treatments too, so then and that's also lymphatic drainage- and it's good for your nervous system.
Speaker 1So it's you weren't. I never got the sense that you were just doing it, for like, I've had actors that came in specifically just for their ass uh so that they could do a movie. I'll tell you later who it later is. I can't remember. Oh yeah, I can't remember. Oh yeah, oh boy, ving Rhames yeah.
Speaker 3What Amazing Jeez.
Speaker 1But you know what?
Speaker 3I mean, it's also that thing of like hey man, it's your package to each his own. Sure, but also I have to say, and I've actually I didn't when it happened. There's the brilliant Wendy O'Brien, the casting director.
Speaker 2Do you?
Speaker 3know who she is? She O'Brien, the casting director. Do you know who she is? She's a genius, abbott Elementary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, brilliant, she's brilliant. She is such a. I mean, I have a love affair with casting directors because I don't think any of this happens in anyone's life unless you have support, and they are the ultimate cheerleader for a person in my position.
Speaker 2That's cool.
Speaker 3And it can only go to a certain degree. But and she loves comedy, right. But Wendy is brilliant and I remember going in for something and being very, very close and it ended up, you know, shifting last minute. I'd bought the champagne and was so pissed off when it changed. But she had championed me and I remember when I came in to talk to her about what was happening, what the process would be, she just looked at me and went I love how your face has aged.
Speaker 3And I had that moment, of you know, I was like, okay, I'm glad I held out, like I'm glad I've held out a little and that there's a, there is an actual payoff. And I think there's also the thing of I mean, quite honestly, my bread and butter has not been pressurized. Like some actresses. I feel so deeply for what it must be like to keep that shit up. Right Like that must be exhausting to be that beautiful and to know that if you have one bad day, it's going to be documented somebody will photograph you don't give a fuck about that with me, which is great I mean it is ultimately you're able to do more.
Speaker 1You look, you're a natural beauty and you really like I you.
Speaker 3I grew into my cuteness, so thank you if you see childhood pictures of me.
Speaker 1I'm such a dork ass dork, that's usually good, that's right. So that's why you have the uh, what's the word?
Speaker 2I'm looking isn't that what dad stands for?
Speaker 3dork ass, dork dork in my house, just that's my kid yeah, you have humility, though.
Speaker 1Like is that the right word? Um I'll take it? Yeah, you're not, you know yeah, you're not walking around because if, if you, if you were in your body, knowing you were as hot as you are at all moments, you would be right back at you, sister.
Speaker 3Thank you, got all pointy on that I felt that I was going for the dot in between the girls, okay yeah, I was.
Speaker 1I went for this one, but that's okay okay.
Speaker 3We all have our favorites. We do which one's your favorite. Do you have a favorite nipple?
Speaker 2I prefer, actually I'm starting to prefer the right one. The seventh nipple. I love that movie, yeah, but that's the one that that's a good one, that's the one that gets the itch, the itch, the seventh nipple itch.
Speaker 1Oh. I thought, that's what it was you need a new dog. Start fantasizing about other people's pets.
Speaker 3I'm going to start getting real quiet and just listen to the two of you. Oh my God, I'm just thinking of dog nipples now.
Speaker 2And animal.
Speaker 1You know that all animals have nipples.
Speaker 2Anyways, I want to get to today's topic, which is animal nipples.
Speaker 1No, yes, today's topic. I'm very well versed.
Speaker 2Okay versed.
Speaker 1Okay, today's topic is uh, I was trying to get the right title for it, but it's basically like how we get the face that we deserve. Um, it is the power of your own facial expressions and how our facial expressions can shape and make, which is one of the reasons why you look as amazing as you do is because you are not a crappy person.
Speaker 3Thanks, yeah, wow do you like how I summarize that? I like that because I, when you, when you said the topic, I was a little like slightly don't understand. But I can't wait, tell me more, let's see what I and don't know too much, this will be fun well, they say, by the time you're 50, you get the face you deserve.
Speaker 3And that's because you've been making the expressions over and over again right, oh, wow, right that's really beautiful, well, and life can fuck you up right, like life can really harden, and it's interesting because I've played a lot of hard women or like tough bitches or whatever you know. So there's there's or tough customers, I suppose, and with that comes certain, certain expressing, but also, like my face is crazy, it's so animated and I think that I mean there's no stopping. There's no stopping that. And it is funny because sometimes you know you really need to call on stillness and processing in a still way.
Speaker 1So being acting, you mean yeah.
Speaker 3But being a parent has sort of like knocked that into me. One must get very still, otherwise they're very reactionary. Sometimes it's interesting, but it's, and my kid's at the age right now he's 11, and he's all about pulling faces about everything because you know we have to get on about language, because he's also trying that on and we try to be a safe space. But now we're like, okay, maybe we've been a little cavalier, because if he can do that at home, just to try it on, so he doesn't get in trouble anywhere else.
Speaker 1He wants to make sure he's saying it right.
Speaker 3He's obsessed with comedy, by the way, he doesn't. It's funny. My husband and I met on a horror film.
Speaker 1We both died in he's and I heard Tony Hale talk about this once in an interview which I thought was so fascinating. Tony Hale, tony Hale, yes, brilliant, I love him so much Brilliant, so good.
Speaker 3He was talking about how vivid his imagination is and he was saying that he can't see horror because it's too real to him. And my child is that in spades, like he cannot anything intense. He's only just seen his first Marvel films this year. I think Wow, like he, just he couldn't. He couldn't take cars when he was a little boy because the minute the character was in peril he was upset. But you give him Jim Carrey or Jack Black or Adam Sandler.
Speaker 1That's so silly.
Speaker 3Well, you know what's amazing. So where we move, we move to the Midwest to raise him differently, because that seems to be the best fit for our child and because now, post COVID and post strike, there's no reason to be here, unless you were required to fly out, which you've been called upon, I've been called upon and it's easy and honestly it's.
Speaker 3I couldn't have anticipated how beneficial this was going to be for all of us to have this recalibration and the thing about the school system he's in now, which is public and as nice as any private school out here even hopes to be, which is bananas they have when they go to middle school, which he's not in yet but he will be. They have this thing called flex period and they have different clubs. They have fly fishing, swifties and standup comedy for sixth graders?
Speaker 1No way, come on, so you can find your people. It's basically like this is our competition now.
Speaker 3Yeah, how, how do you?
Speaker 1define who you are. Yeah, the sixth graders.
Speaker 3Middle school Coming in last Look out.
Speaker 1Oh man, we better get good.
Speaker 2I have a friend who is in and I'm, but no, he's doing really well out there.
Speaker 3The scene out there is different. It's completely different.
Speaker 2And that's something that can be manipulated into something like fostering talent or whatnot. So that's pretty cool. Out here usually I find it's like get me on camera quick and then people kind of take off.
Speaker 3Right, what's also so weird. I mean it's like the youtube of it all and all of that, like it's just very different anywhere. I mean it, yes and oh boy, because I have the kid. Like my relationship to all that shit's terrible, but you know you can watch podcasts, so there's you know, there's he's learning to play like white stripes on trumpet, because you can do this teaching himself how to play piano. You know things like that. Wow, yeah, he's. He's very musical.
Speaker 1I've seen him, pretty man. Is he playing the drums or he's drummer?
Speaker 3yeah, yeah, really good and sing really well too. I don't know like this genetic shit doesn't run through me it's like so other, but he's very creative, um, and, and I'm interested in that. But I I do wonder because his love of comedy, you know what's so great too? They have children's books. There's this great children's book series called I Funny and it actually gives you certain like. Rodney Dangerfield is in it and he's like Mom who's David Letterman.
Speaker 2I was like let me tell you, son, the mysterious man of geniuses, and now I can show him that he read about them first.
Speaker 3Wow, and it's all about this kid who's obsessed with comedy. It's great, that's so cool, you've. But when you figured it out for yourself, I remember, after being slapped around you being like I'm going to do this thing.
Speaker 1Yeah, because I talked to Maria Delpret at that was on your set on private practice, who is also a comedian and a makeup artist. Yes, and I was. We were. I had already been thinking about it and I met her. I don't do you know her, maria del prette?
Speaker 1name sounds familiar, but I don't think she, um, we just met and we were talking about something and I said, uh, you know, she goes, I'm the make, I'm a makeup artist on the you know on the show. And, um, I don't know, she said something like who are you? And I, I don't remember who are you?
The Power of Laughter and Vulnerability
Speaker 1yeah, yeah don't question me. Um, but she said she was a comedian and I was like tell me what to do, and so she sort of directed me to a class and then you know the class, you learn like five minutes or whatever. You know, you just come up with your own stuff and then they punch it up and then off you go and that was it.
Speaker 3I gotta say, babe, like because I think, particularly after covid, my need to laugh. You know, because I, when I lived in new york prior to coming out here, I'd go see comedy all the time and then you get in the rat race out here. I mean I was in walking distance of largo. Oh my god, what the fuck was wrong with me that I wasn't there every single night. But I think you know, I mean you, you come to things when you come to things, but certainly post-covid, my need to laugh in community, like I really I understood why I loved comedy so much.
Speaker 3Because now for me, like I think about it a lot and I've watched a lot of comedy and I've sort of like any time and there's, it's such the place to be now, like comedy specials, everything, and like when I came out here, it's like I've run into Sarah Silverman all the time.
Speaker 3By the way, still, anytime I have like I've never mentioned. I remember when I met you a hundred years ago and just she was great and I would go to the comedy store and stuff because it would be a happening, it'd be something to do, and it really occurred to me post-COVID, going back to comedy and seeing the shows and how it felt and how it felt to be in community that way, with laughter I realized, like people sort of think about acting, which is what I do, they give it a certain reverence, right, and I do think, yes, there's a certain reverence right, and I do think, yes, there is a certain reverence to it. The vulnerability required, all that stuff, but the fucking comedy and music, the vulnerability, the creativity, the ability to fall on your ass with complete abandon.
Speaker 3The bravery of it, it's just. It's unparalleled to get up and to just go I know to do it every night, to recalibrate every night, to work yourself, to be willing to fail, which I think actors have have such a a different relationship to failure, like the risk, and the most interesting actors take the risk and they fail and they fuck it up and that's why they're great to watch, right.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3But it's so much required bravery to be in that, particularly like next door 50 seater Right, you can't escape anything in that room. And it's the charge of that. Like I was in London last year around the election, which was so fascinating to hear comedians in another country, I mean literally within 24 hours. I think I was maybe 45 hours, 45. I can't, math is not my specialty.
Speaker 1Okay, 72. We'll go 72.
Speaker 3That's a nice hard number that I can remember, but I think it was 72 from the time I returned and the election happened, but hearing comedians in another country examine americans and, like me, being the asshole in the audience they're like you know, like I just I couldn't stop. I can't when I need to laugh, I can't stop myself. I've been so punked in the audience too, by comedians because I really I need to laugh hard when something's funny, like my body.
Speaker 2I can't you can't stop that Now.
Speaker 3I'm going to bring this back around.
Speaker 1That is what has made your face the way it is, though, is because you are. You do prioritize things that make you happy and make you laugh.
Speaker 2because, yeah, and like with doing comedy, like I never think of, I think, the more vulnerable I feel, the more ridiculous I look, the funnier I'll be the more relaxed and I never think about like laugh lines or stuff like that. Well no, because you're in the moment. You you might think about afterwards, but I I just, like you're laughing. I never see somebody that's laughing or having a great time going, man, they're wrinkly yeah, you're.
Speaker 1Their laugh lines are so deep. Yeah, what's going on with those smile lines when you're out of?
The Impact of Comedy and Smiling
Speaker 3breath because someone's made you laugh so hard. And the thing, too, that I love about when you see stand-up, because I think this is all very adjacent I can't not talk about it since I'm with the two of you.
Speaker 3There's something about when the comedian's up there and they just take a moment of pause to look out at the audience and it feels so charged, Like there's a charge to that and vulnerability to that. That is, it's intimate. There's something very intimate about comedy that you can't escape and some people talk about intimate subjects. You know there's obviously a lot of people have really made that their bread and butter and that's always pretty.
Speaker 2You can't escape somebody's eyeline.
Speaker 3Like when you're in the club.
Speaker 2You see what the expressions on somebody's face are, from whatever distance they're at, so, like there's no escaping, everyone's looking directly at that person.
Speaker 3And I'm such a ding, it Like I'm this guy.
Speaker 1Yeah, like please please make me laugh. I came for it.
Speaker 3I'm here and any time I see people in the audience are like this, I just think why did?
Speaker 1you come. You know what?
Speaker 2Speaking of making a face like that, I seriously was looking up over here. Tell me no, no, Wait why is this particle?
Speaker 1Oh, hit, done at the very top. Ooh, pursing lips. What am I doing?
Speaker 3The I wanna fuck the world face. Is that what that is? The duck lips Just hit the done. My husband and I call that the. I want to fuck the world. What's that? When you see people on the red carpet, do this.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, and they scan and they pout.
Speaker 3That's hilarious.
Speaker 1It's probably a good exercise for those muscles around your mouth, though, if you think about it.
Speaker 2Watch it, mike, magic Mike.
Speaker 1Magic Mike. So, yes, what were you saying about?
Speaker 2Well, I was just going to say like, oh, pursing your lips, pursing your lips or having that look where you're kind of scowling, I feel like those lines stick with you so much faster and deeper.
Speaker 1You get like little micro spasms and little, and then it starts to stick down into your fascia, and so the repeat, the repetitive, what did you call me?
Speaker 2Yeah, fascia. Yeah, fascia, yeah we're not gonna talk politics today, but yeah, oh God, don't get me going, but we can quote Big Lebowski, you fascist.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, oh, brilliant. Throw a coffee cup at your head. Have you ever?
Speaker 3been to Lebowski Fest.
Speaker 1Have you guys done that here?
Speaker 3You must.
Speaker 1It's so fun, I want to do it I mean I'm upset.
Speaker 3That movie is like fucking.
Speaker 2Julianne Moore yeah, the best, so good.
Speaker 3Everybody and it's so funny because we haven't. We've done Raising Arizona with our kid.
Speaker 1We were like you want to see comedy.
Speaker 3But we have not done that because I just there's a little too much in there yeah. We recon Bridesmaids recently because we were like is he ready?
Speaker 1and then we were like uh, not yet the opening scene. She's having sex with him.
Speaker 3It's so good. I want him so badly to see the diarrhea scene.
Speaker 1I can't wait, buy me a coke who said diarrhea to this day?
Speaker 2Maya Rudolph's, I said that in unison, I know, buy me a Coke. Yeah, do you say. Who said diarrhea?
Speaker 3Just the to this day, maya Rudolph's slow crawl to street level in that oh man, that's just my favorite.
Speaker 1She just, it's almost like she's deflating, like the Wicked Witch of the East or the North or whatever it is.
Speaker 2Yes, I think it's the it's. Probably is it the West, the wicked witch of the northwest. That's what it was.
Speaker 1Alright, let's get back to this.
Speaker 2Nikki, let's get back to the subject.
Speaker 1So smile lines are obviously going to add warmth to your face and people are going to pick up on that. Also. Smiling increases the endorphins in your brain, even if it's fake. Really, yeah, and fake laughing does as well. I'm really high right now, so the eye part is maybe confusing your brain a little bit, because you have like a scared eye, but with a fast mouth, scared eye.
Muscle Memory and Aging on Camera
Speaker 2I love that. I'm really happy. Now Is that when you say stuff like you're like instead of you know, like when you bend over, just kind of go.
Speaker 1Yes, like, almost, like you can't tell your. If you tell your body that you're like struggling, it's listening to you.
Speaker 3Oh, 100%, like I will say, because I've done a lot of. I've done a lot of emotional shit on camera and it is very true that your nervous system doesn't know. It's interesting I had to do a self-tape when I was sick, oh man, and I was on Mucinex and the scene, like the big button on the scene is the person cries and you don't know if it's legitimate or if it's calculated, but you have to cry on cue, after being very swingy in a different direction, and if you're on decongestion, your body will not make tears it's like oh my god, you're so dry.
Speaker 2I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 3You're so dried out it's. It's the weirdest because you're like I'm so dropped into this but I cannot produce tears I can make, I can drool, and then you stop and you're just like pounding water, because you have to do that before crying scenes. But it is interesting, your nervous system is a wreck after doing that shit because it's listening, you must when you know you've killed it. You must be so high when you get off stage.
Speaker 1Oh yeah.
Speaker 2For sure. Yeah, it definitely is a good feeling to it. For sure I can tell when I have a good set and I like it is that when I got off stage, whoever's on stage, I'll laugh at whatever joke they say, even if it's terrible.
Speaker 1Yes, that's true. Yeah, because you're still like in it.
Speaker 2I'm still in it, yeah not that terrible, but it's just the off worst jokes you've ever heard. But, yeah, there's definitely a high to it, for sure. Yes, yes, yes good.
Speaker 1Well, so there is a thing called resting face. I know we've probably talked about resting bitch face, but, um, just anything that you're doing that's at rest is going to cause micro little. You know lines and like, if you're constantly thinking, you've got some serious thinking. Well, I think this is. I forget what the, the crop, the I've made so many bad decisions.
Speaker 2I can't believe that I've thought like any of this stuff. This is like the worst.
Speaker 3Well, genetics too. Right, like I see in my face. I'm seeing stuff that is so genetically predisposed, and it's very interesting too, because even in our kid I see in his face certain expressions and things and I'm like DNA don't lie.
Speaker 1No, oh my God. That's just your muscles are making it's a memory that goes in from your cell somehow into theirs. It's so crazy. Muscle memory is no joke.
Speaker 3No, which is why?
Speaker 1we're talking about this because you develop a muscle memory is no joke now. Which is why we're talking about this? Because you developa muscle memory from doing something over and over and over again, and eventually it's going to show up somewhere yeah, in a good way or a bad way I think it's only bad if you're critical about it, you know.
Speaker 3I mean it's like you can really like I, I love, I love seeing certain faces with the life experience. That's really to me and it is interesting too, aging and aging on camera. I can see life experience because you know, we've all been through shit by the time you're at midlife Everybody, I don't care how good you've had it. You've been through, you hope you have. I mean God, I mean my biggest concern for my child is that he's, you know, apathetic and he's not that's not his innate instinct.
Speaker 3but it's like as a parent now it's like there's so many minefields for that, for for this generation to fall into and we're very activated about trying to prevent that. But I think that again ties into if you express boldly like I embarrass him so hard. He hates going to concerts with me, but I think he secretly loves it because I turn into a 15-year-old again. God help you if it's Jack White or something like that, where I know the lyrics and I can just rage on um, I embarrass him so hard yeah for sure.
Speaker 3But it's also he is seeing me play full out with whatever I'm, and again it goes back to like the stand-up of musicians. There's something about the communal experience. Why am I yelling? I don't know what's happening. You're getting into it. You're passionate about it. Well, yeah, if I care about something, god help you. Oh, yeah, I think you only think you're yelling.
Speaker 2We don't think you're yelling. No, turn the mic down.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm sure he's got it. He's got you. It's no, you're not no.
Speaker 1Well, yeah, it is a good place for it.
Speaker 3I have balls behind me. You just feel so different, I know, and they look Scratchy. You can make them Scratchy balls.
Speaker 1Scratchy balls.
Speaker 3That one does not turn colors. Yeah, you know, it was also you know it was very interesting, apropos of nothing, because Will Farrell is also top of the pops for my kid appropriate. But we turned on an interview with colbert. This is why. This is why he loves comedy when I was pregnant with him, because my husband's last name is bear and I took his last name like a good southern girl would golly gee.
Speaker 1And I'm sorry, when I was pregnant flashing get the remote over there okay, it's like we're at a disco.
Speaker 2It's, it's, it's murder on the dance floor.
Speaker 1right now it's happening.
Speaker 3I'm sorry to distract from what you were saying. People always ask pregnant women where are you? Going to name your kid and we used to tell people Stephen Cole, that was the name, and they either got it or they didn't. But if they got it, I was like you're my people.
Speaker 1I love that.
Speaker 3So Pharrell was on and he was telling the story of how he became a like, how he used to just go and like, show up like a janitor in his friend's class at college. Oh my God, look it up. I'm not going to say anything else, but watching my kid watch that, watch this person, that always makes him laugh. It was too real. He needed him to be in a scenario and not talk about his process, which I thought, okay, maybe maybe you're not gonna be.
Speaker 1I see what you're saying, but I wonder I I really do wonder.
Speaker 3But watching expressions is all he knows.
Speaker 1Like if I came home and was like dinner time I can'top a little bit great film. That was one of my favorites. You probably already remember that I don't know of course I do one of my top one movies.
Speaker 3Well, I did not remember that, but that's excellent.
Speaker 1Well done you it's a I mean it's a great movie. It is. It holds up in a safe. It holds up in a safe, are they?
Speaker 3I think they are remaking it, I think they are probably watching it once.
Speaker 2Yeah again with.
Speaker 1Peter Weller's not in it. I don't want to see it and if, and also the I forget the name of the other actor that the female with the she cuts. She has her short hair. She's like Murphy. I'm a mess at the very end. I remember I can kill that whole movie.
Speaker 2She was, um, she was, but the. All the actors came back when they did, like the, the making of robocop. Oh, that's right, you should watch that.
Speaker 1Yes, I didn't know it's a documentary. It's really good watch it like a three-parter, I think.
Speaker 3Because you were a valley girl, I'm gonna bring this up. One of the golden things before we move that happened was they had the 40th anniversary of valley girl at the new Beverly and Martha Coolidge and everybody but Nick was there. Oh my God, everybody, the writer, the musician, I mean it was incredible. And they did a panel afterwards.
Speaker 1It was one of the best days of my life. When was this.
Speaker 3This was 40th anniversary, so this would have been a year and a half ago.
Speaker 1Well, if it comes out again and you happen to be in town, so this would have been a year and a half ago. Well, if it comes out again and you happen to be in town, please, I will go with you.
Speaker 3Oh, I will, totally that's my other favorite movie.
Speaker 2Well, everybody knows the 43rd anniversary is the big one. The 43rd anniversary when they do the 43rd anniversary party, the 43rd anniversary, number seven.
Speaker 3Oh, the big four, three, we're back to seven. Seven nipples. There see, it always comes around certain like uh, nipples, nipples. Is that why you wear that?
Speaker 2shirt. Yes, your third eye or your third nipple, you just never know either both. They're both shock ring yes, yes, anyways, back to um terrible no, no, no, no, you're gonna be, your perfect guess, as long as I can make a pun that only I feel confident in, that's fine. I'm here for it, I'm good.
Speaker 1All right, so, um, now how to create, okay. So one thing I wanted to mention too is that, with your son and with any kids, if you don't understand, most kids don't understand at first what the comedy is about. They're watching the expression, so that's kind of the only way they know Interesting, what parts are funny, what parts aren't funny. Interesting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2That's true, as a baby, you know like the, you know you like the weird stuff that's not normally there.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 2Then that's a kid starts laughing.
Speaker 1Because I remember laughing at stuff that I had no idea why it was funny, and then later watching it and then, oh, now I see why it's funny.
Speaker 3Interesting, and well it, If you think about so many of the power ballads from our youth they were so sexual and like inappropriate and deep. And I was like let me sing Peter Cetera to the top of my lungs I'm in love, you know, like in third grade dedicating songs. But it's funny because you don't know what you're fucking talking about.
Speaker 2No, you don't know.
Speaker 3I hope you don't, or even like Led Zeppelin, like when I think about oh all the like the double entendres, oh my God, I'll be your backdoor man. Give me a break, robert Plant.
Speaker 1Where's my lemon? Yeah, until the juice runs down someone's leg.
Speaker 3Yeah, and my little drummer, son loves Led Zeppelin.
Speaker 1I can't wait till.
Speaker 3He's like mom, that's got so much res or whatever the fuck, he's talking I can't. I've become the mother who knows nothing, and I'm okay with it. I don't need to pick up on this shit.
Speaker 1Tell him to call me if he wants to talk about Jimmy Page, because that's my favorite guitar player of all time.
Speaker 3It might get loud. Please tell me you've seen it.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So good, it's amazing so good, I just love him.
Speaker 3Jack White, and is it Edge or the Edge? I never get it right from you two.
Speaker 1Is it the Edge?
Speaker 2Is it Edge? Maybe it's.
Speaker 3The.
Speaker 2Edge. It's the quarter Edge. Yeah, it's pretty sharp either way.
Speaker 3Either way, they're both dying you see them turn into five-year-olds watching him play. And it's so good Again expressions.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3It's so sweet. Oh, jimmy Page is the best, yeah, and he's still so good, so good Anyway. Anyway, that has nothing to do with skincare, except he looks great for his age he does.
Speaker 1Who knows what kind of devil worshiper he's going to be, though Worshipping Alice. They all have the faces that's true.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, they got that face. Yeah, robert Plants Dessert he's got it.
Speaker 1Here's what I wanted to talk about, too, because we don't have too much time left.
Speaker 3Oh, don't let me go.
Speaker 1No, no, no, you could do. First of all, let me just get through this Exercising, doing certain exercises for the face. You can. Kind of More massage, I think helpful to like, rub out some of the little kinks that you might have in your face, I know, I know I'm not trying to sell you.
Speaker 3Yeah, the castor oil in the midwest, oh, castor oil is amazing.
Expressive Aging Faces in Hollywood
Speaker 1Yeah, it's very viscous. Yes, I love that word um, but I wanted to ask you this, and then um see what you can tell me about what you think. What are the actors that you feel like are like the most? They have like the most expression roadmaps on their faces that we love so much? Judy dench.
Speaker 3Oh, what a face man.
Speaker 1What let's see oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely god, what a face and it just to have a lived in face.
Speaker 3that can, on a dime, turn into awestruck childlike wonder when you look at that face. Celia Weston, who's that?
Speaker 1She was on Mel's Diner but she's also currently oh my God, she's so good, she's amazing.
Speaker 3I've seen her on set. She's great Speaking of Will Ferrell and that new. I think I just watched it. Yes, fortune Feim, she's so good, she's amazing. I've seen her on set. She's great Speaking of Will Ferrell and that new-. I think I just watched it. Yes, fortune Feimster's in it. Lori, lori, she's brilliant. She's a Southern comedian. She was in Roseanne.
Speaker 1Is her last name? Star Lori Metcalf.
Speaker 3No, no, she's a genius. Oh okay, Is it, lori? She's a great stand-up. Who's Southern? I love her. I can't picture her, but it's a really fun. I loved the movie.
Speaker 1I loved it too. I just don't remember everybody that was in it, but Celia Weston is Reese Witherspoon's mother and she's that's a face that just keeps just getting better.
Speaker 3It's also truthful, right, Like these lived in faces.
Speaker 1That's a really good point. It's truthful.
Speaker 3It's right, like these, lived in faces. That's a really good point. It's truthful. It's truthful. You can't escape. You know, when you see people that have, for whatever their reasons are, succumb to normative thinking about what? The aesthetic should be to have long-standing career. And look, you know, when I started in this business, you did not work when you were my age. I just so I'm on playing an esthetician on Chicago.
Speaker 1Fire.
Speaker 3Oh my God, I'm so excited, don't let don't let that drop that little dot. Cause I thought of you the minute. I was like esthetician.
Speaker 1I've done the homework.
Speaker 3Get a good manicure, cause my hands will be on screen, but will I ever slap? Slap a face? I know how to do it anyway, yeah but the whole thing that's so funny. Like dermot is my husband and we have sexy scenes and we're like when we're almost 50 year old and 60 year olds getting it on network television like this is amazing.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, it's.
Speaker 3Everybody looks so much better, though I think but it's because, and also you know, we're our age and we're getting down, we don't have children on the show. It's like people like to fuck as long as they like to fuck how wonderful.
Speaker 3Yeah, we need to identify that your life doesn't end when you're in your 20s. Oh my god, that didn't happen. No, and now I mean honestly, I think that the graceful aging, that that's sort of problematic to me. It's like, why does it have to be grace? Why can't that just be? You know, I like that, yeah, why do you have to label it? I'm just awestruck because she's kind of my North Star anyway. But Julianne Moore, to me, is the epitome of stunning aging. She has perfect skin. Jodie Foster, jodie Foster I mean all of them I love.
Speaker 1Jodie Foster's face. She looks like she has lived her life and doesn't give a crap about what anybody else.
Speaker 3So hot, so hot, so emotive. That's the thing too. It's like I think, as a human being apropos not of the industry we're in and if you're god, can you imagine like a super botox comedian, like that would be so boring you'd have to bring it up on your set.
Speaker 1I feel you'd have to bring it up on.
Speaker 2Yeah, you'd have to bring it up on stage and you can't just be like, well, it'll calm down soon. You know whatever like you could, because it's right. Yeah, you could, it's right up. I mean, it's right up there.
Speaker 1But when I see an actor that's had too much plastic surgery for my taste for my it just feels dishonest, unless it's part of the character.
Speaker 3Well, and it is sometimes part of the character and it's like but then you gotta like how did k O'Hara do that? How did she do?
Speaker 1that I feel like she's got tape or something.
Speaker 3I mean, listen, I've been on. I remember having my face taped because I had to play a younger version of myself.
Speaker 1Oh, my God.
Speaker 3And I remember the makeup artist, having worked on certain actresses who were heroines of mine and just telling me like they always wear the tape.
Speaker 1And they're in their 70s and still wearing the tape and just telling me like they always wear the tape and they're in their 70s and still wearing the tape and they look amazing and I love that it's not permanent.
Speaker 3I'll give you another great face, and she's been a co-star of mine and I really would love to see her win the Academy Award as Isabella Rossellini.
Speaker 1That face is you worked with her.
Speaker 3I did on Shut Eye. Oh my God. I mean Hero wears the cape. She is a divine creature.
Speaker 1I just got goosebumps. Yeah, she's so fantastic.
Speaker 3I love her, but like talk about not taking the bait, like being known as one of the most beautiful human beings walking the planet, making a career out of your beauty, she's an artist.
Speaker 3Like she's a hardcore artist but, like you, can't get away from how beautiful she is and she, to me, is more beautiful. She's just lit from within anyway, but that fucking face and it's aged and she has, I mean it, empowered me to be with her. Because, I'll tell you, it is hard when you're with people and you're just like and I don't judge anybody, it's your instrument, it's your body.
Speaker 2Never judge anybody in front of them. That's the number one rule.
Speaker 3Should we start going hard our last few minutes?
Speaker 1Do you want to?
Speaker 3go hard on Bing Rhames again. He'll kick your ass.
Speaker 2He will. I don't want to.
Speaker 1Back to what you're saying, though, with isabelle rossalini. I think I heard a quote of her saying like her, but her, her, her favorites, like beauty secret was smiling oh believe it because, you look, you just look better when you're smiling everything's lifted yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3Sometimes you can't not smile like I I sometimes I smile so hard, sometimes I I'm like calm down.
Speaker 1I've seen pictures of me where.
Speaker 3I'm like that's actually a disaster.
Speaker 1But you know what?
Speaker 3It came from a place of love.
Speaker 1That's right. What do you think about this and how they got these faces? Okay, so for warm and kind people, I came with Tom Hanks, meryl Streep, helen Mirren, but intense and unsettling. Okay. Willem Dafoe, steve Buscemi, christopher Walken, javier Bardem. What's the Jesus Trejo? Danny Trejo?
Speaker 2Danny Trejo. Yeah, why did I say Jesus? Jesus Trejo is a very funny comedian that we know.
Speaker 1Oh, that's, right, Danny Trejo owns.
Speaker 3Donuts the Donuts. Yes, wasn't he actually imprisoned in real life?
Speaker 2Yeah, I think so I think so, yeah, baller. Yeah, he made Donuts in prison.
Speaker 3Best Donuts. That is really unkind. You weren't there. You don't know what happened. Soap, I used to be the Donut In prison, in prison. Oh God, we're terrible. So you brought that up, but tell me more. What's the idea there?
Speaker 1I just was wondering like what? What? What are you saying? Time, okay, yeah, like no, it's too fun, I know, I know.
Speaker 3Okay.
Speaker 1Well, I, I it. Just it begs me to wonder what has caused those faces in their life. It's not the acting, it's probably something that's gone on in their life where they've made repeated expressions but it's also what makes them beautiful absolutely.
Speaker 3That's why they're on stage too, and man, he is gorgeous really.
Speaker 1I mean, he's gorgeous, he's a specimen, yes yeah, but that's part of it.
Speaker 3It's like I think that's comfort levels too and it all sort of dovetails in to this right. Like this part of your instrument. If you are comfortable with that, it's very hard for other people to be critical of it right I don't like when I'm, when I get scally, and it's funny sometimes.
Speaker 3I look at my. I have kind of a funky face sometimes, but my face can hold a lot of makeup so it can change the way it looks, which I think is good. Yeah, I mean, it's a positive for what I do, but it changes me and I think in turn and in kind, so does expressing wow. I had no idea when you gave me the subject that that's what it would turn into.
Speaker 1I wish we had four hours. Honestly, there's so much Because we haven't seen each other, sorry.
Speaker 2We do have four hours.
Speaker 1We just don't have it here, right? Well, I appreciate it, you guys.
Speaker 3I'm very honored to be on this. Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2Well, let's do a part two, because there's more to talk about. Yeah, absolutely We'll work that out time zone wise. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3We will add seven nipples always yes.
Speaker 1I like that. Well, how many do we have? We have between us At least six. Yeah, at least six.
Speaker 2I have two that I know of. Do we?
Speaker 3consider our bottle tops no, seven nipples, sure.
Speaker 1Why not eight? Eight, yeah, I don't have a bottle top.
Speaker 2So all right, well, this is going to be out. Oh, um, oh. Where can people find you on socials?
Speaker 3not like anybody doesn't know about your tax return information?
Speaker 2of course they don't.
Speaker 3I mean, you know, listen, I'm. I walk around like a normal person. I just happen to occasionally pop up on people's screens and that's good I do instagram. I'm really bad at social media. I wish I was better. I do instagram. I'm currently on blue sky, although I'm so terrible I never post shit, but instagram's probably where I am the most that's where I see you the most, yeah yeah, it's easiest and I like I like seeing fun things.
Speaker 1Yeah, and there are some fun things on there, so you are okay. Yeah, some not so fun things, is it? The Katie Strickland, I think, I think it might be yeah, God.
Speaker 2I don't even know. I love what you're asking.
Speaker 1It's the funniest, but the way you spell your name is K-A, capital, d-e-e. Uh-huh, in case anybody's looking for a stage.
Speaker 3Thanks, mom, it wasn't a stage name that.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, you got the D on there. Yes, ma'am, Speaking of D um Sandra.
Speaker 2I, uh, that's my name. Yes, All right, so this is going to be a phallic Mike.
Speaker 3Yeah, not a magic.
Speaker 2Mike From the seventies. Yes, I'll go watch boogie nights.
Speaker 1All right, I'll stop talking, sorry, uh, wednesday at 3 am, that's fast.
Speaker 3Yeah, hey you know what I'm on? My esthetician will be on Chicago Fire that night, oh my God. So tune in to Chicago Fire on what channel is it?
Speaker 1NBC, nbc, oh my God, nbc. I don't even know the time slot. They'll find it. We have, we all have resources.
Speaker 3I mean, maybe I don't know, oh well, I bet I'll be expressing real hard oh yeah, All right.
Speaker 1I can't even get into that All right. Thank you so much for being here. You are the best, and you guys, we'll see you next week same time on Wednesday.
Speaker 2And thank you so much. That was awesome I love BOMU Yay.
