Sex, Drugs and Skincare
Comedian and esthetician, Nicky Davis, along with side kick/boyfriend/assistant Sandro Iocolano, interviews comedians, actors and other practitioners as we learn about the latest, as well as the oldest techniques for staying young. We get weird but educational.
Sex, Drugs and Skincare
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From Belarus to Beverly Hills, permanent makeup artist Daria Angelopolo has transformed thousands of faces while pioneering revolutionary techniques that have redefined an industry. Alongside her husband Kostas, Daria shares her remarkable journey from winning the American green card lottery to becoming one of the most sought-after eyebrow artists in Los Angeles.
The conversation takes us through the fascinating evolution of permanent makeup techniques, from the early days of microblading (which Daria helped introduce to America) to the more refined ombre brows, and finally to today's state-of-the-art "fluffy strokes" - a gentle technique that combines machine-applied hair strokes with shading for stunningly natural results that work on all skin types.
What truly stands out is Daria's commitment to skin health above all else. "The most important thing for us is the skin of the client first, not the results," she explains, detailing why newer techniques have replaced microblading for most applications. Her passion becomes particularly evident when discussing her work with cancer survivors, alopecia patients, and those suffering from trichotillomania. For these clients, permanent makeup isn't merely cosmetic - it's transformative, restoring confidence during challenging life periods.
The episode concludes with practical advice for anyone considering permanent makeup: how to choose an artist (experience matters!), what to expect during the healing process (patience is key!), and pre-treatment recommendations. Whether you're beauty-curious or considering permanent makeup yourself, this conversation pulls back the curtain on an art form that's literally changing faces - and lives. Follow Daria on Instagram @goldenbrows to see her stunning work!
Welcome to Sex, Drugs, and Skincare
Speaker 1You are listening to, watching, hearing, smelling, tasting and feeling sex, drugs and skin care. Like and subscribe. Hey, welcome back to Sex, drugs and Skin Care. I am Nikki Davis Jr, licensed comedian, stand-up esthetician.
Speaker 2Good, good, you're more confident in that. Last week you didn't really you didn't know your name. No, yeah, I'm Nikki Davis. That was weird.
Speaker 1Yeah. But this week you sound like you know it more, I knew it better, I practiced, I had some practice. How long does it take?
Speaker 2you to learn your name before the show? I don't know, I forget after each show. Well, okay, all right, I'm just saying you know you could probably prep the this later. Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3Couples counseling, that's fine.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1I am a 25 years experienced esthetician plus a stand-up comedian. This podcast I'm just trying to give like an explanation up front for people. So this is the only skincare and comedy podcast that I'm aware of, and so we like to introduce different topics about beauty and skin care. Hit the subscribe button and the like button.
Speaker 2And even if you don't like or want to watch it again, you don't have to like anything or watch it, just pretend.
Speaker 1Just pretend, and that's most like most of our friends.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's most of my life, I think.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2You know they say you fake it till you make it. Yeah, I don't know when making it is, you just keep faking it, right.
Speaker 1You just keep on faking it. Oh, you know what it?
Speaker 2is Fake it till you, make it to death, that's what it is.
Speaker 1Oh, that's perfect.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think that's the entire thing.
Speaker 1By the way, you guys are allowed to laugh if you want, but don't feel pressured to laugh.
Speaker 2No, they're just shooting.
Speaker 1so many mean looks already oh my gosh, this is his first time. I think we've had a couple yeah, a couple yeah you're not too sure things right now? No, I'm not. I'm happy.
Speaker 2I think it is the first time we've had a couple aside from us right. Yeah, that's right. I keep forgetting we're together. That's so weird. You wish well? No, I don't wish, I keep forgetting, I keep forgetting. Uh, it's the first time we've had a couple yeah so it feels pretty good, you know.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2It's like, finally we have somebody that you know after the show I can be like so is she weird too?
Speaker 1You know what I mean. We can compare, because you know Guess who you guys are. You're both talking About me, though.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, what's Nikki like when you're, when you want to?
Speaker 2St.
Speaker 3You have the power that you do.
Speaker 2But I'm excited for today's show because, speaking of that, yeah, oh, stabbing in the face. I was going to say you have, that was good actually, thank you, but I don't want it to mean like that. No, you don't have to reiterate stabbing in the face. We're not trying to say that here. No, no, no. But you have experience with these guests.
Speaker 1I have. Okay, so I met them. My hairdresser referred me to I love that book, by the way. My hairdresser, my hairdresser referred me. Yeah, it's a book.
Speaker 2I think it's a Dr Seuss book. It's when the cat in the hat afterwards. All right, that's enough.
Speaker 1I like to try jokes that don't work. That's one of the best ones.
Speaker 2Yeah, they really don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1Neither, neither do I. I'm holding back a cough right now, so much. You should drink some water, I know, but I have to finish talking and then when the camera goes to somebody else, then I can do that I'm holding on to it.
Speaker 2That's so why she's old school. You're doing old school the Johnny Carson days.
Speaker 1I'm also trying to like I'm having trying to have keep my ponytail on one side, because I focused it towards the other side. I have a fake ponytail on, so let, so since I'm going to be facing this way every once in a while, I want my ponytail to be on this side.
Speaker 2I get it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1You can't tell if you're listening and not watching. You can't tell which side my ponytail is on.
Meeting Daria: Permanent Makeup Artist
Speaker 2Not at all, but I do think that it's very natural to do this with your hair Just keep moving it over. Is that real? I don't know.
Speaker 1There's actually a pole in here, so I could just bend it a little bit more. Oh yeah, because you that's right, it wraps around the hair. Yeah, it's like a.
Speaker 2Christmas tree ornament or something.
Speaker 1Yeah, feel it now it's because it's so old, feel it. It feels like horse, like really bad horse hair, yeah.
Speaker 2It feels like it feels like you.
Speaker 1Just when you got home, you took it feels like it just feels like the desert, yeah, desert hair, desert hair there. It was okay, um so okay. So these guests that are going to be here today, we're splitting this episode into two.
Speaker 1They are also a couple, as I mentioned, um, one of the cup of the one part of the couple, that's good yes yeah, yeah okay, the first one I feel like I want to introduce, but okay, well, they both work in the same place because A they're married and B they both do similar things but also different. I met both of them by getting my lips blushed, which I probably should have done on camera. That would have been really fun.
Speaker 1I think I was trying to hold it, but it was kind of not working because you're, you know, like um but and then you get kind of sleepy, believe it or not okay, I can see that but um, so yeah, so right now, um should I just normally have you introduce people, but since you don't really know them, I don't know them that well and I feel like you have like a connection with them yeah and they've and they've done things that I want to do sometimes to you.
Speaker 2You know just what's up. I can't, I don't, I don't want to hit your face. I'm not saying that, I'm just saying they don't hit me. No, I'm not. I'm just saying, like you know, because I went like this with my hand I wanted I'm not someone, I'm not what I mean.
Speaker 2No, I mean I'd love maybe, maybe a slap, but that I wouldn't hit you. No, like a sexy slap. Yes, a sexy slap. But they've also seen you. You know, when you're relaxed and you're also really, you know, puffy and you, they get to put needles into your face and I wonder what that's like I'm just wondering, you know, just like an acupressure thing. You know you do as a couple yeah, to relieve stress for the.
Speaker 1For the other person, it's voodoo therapy. Thank you, yeah, voodoo therapy. There we go um. Yeah, okay, well, so they both work in a place called uh, I was gonna say, I almost blew it again golden brows is the name, is the full name of your entire um, and they're in beverly hills, um, and I guess we're gonna talk to, we're gonna talk to you first, is that right? We're so, um, usually we move people to the couch so coming to their own couch, please welcome.
Speaker 1what do you call yourself, by the way? Permanent makeup artist. Permanent makeup artist. Yeah, yeah, okay, daria Angelopolo.
Speaker 3Wow.
Speaker 4Did I say that right? Thanks for having us. My pleasure, I think you said it right enough.
Speaker 2Yeah, you're never going to say it, did you?
Speaker 1think I was actually going to actually people talk about stuff all the time, Did you think I?
Speaker 4would actually drag you guys down here. I mean, it's a very nice surprise, because we've never been together on the show. That's cool. It's kind of a different angle from us. I like it. I'm happy to experience that.
Speaker 1You guys should have your own reality show, actually.
Speaker 4We're not so funny though. No, I bet you are he is more funny I I'm a little bit more. You know like, uh, people ask me. You know, like, what is your funny side? I'm like, I don't know. Like I'm, I'm a little bit boring in this.
Speaker 1Well, you're good at what you do, and that's all that matters.
Speaker 4I'm sure she's I'm create.
Speaker 1You're yeah, you're a, you do, and that's all that matters. I'm sure she's. I'm creative yeah, you're a creative, exactly, and that's all that matters, without seeming like I'm trying to like, push you, like as a product, but you are so freaking great at what you do. Thank you and tell me, okay, first of all, I know that you do. You do microblading, right.
Speaker 4So we used to do microblading right, so we used to do microblading, okay, oh, no, touch on that, yeah because we actually brought microblading in the united states and we're the first academy to teach and we taught like thousands of students but I don't do any microblading now you don't okay we're gonna touch on the different procedures that are oh, it's, oh, it's a different thing now.
Speaker 1Okay, so wait. Okay, so then you came from. Tell me the story, give me a little bit of a background.
Speaker 4Okay, so I'm originally from Belarus and at age of 18, I moved to Greece, where she's pointing to her husband I met.
Speaker 1Yeah, who is Greecece? Yes, I met costas in greece.
Speaker 4we got married there and we moved together in in la already like 11 years. Okay, I've been here. So I started a career in permanent makeup back in greece and you know like back then the facebook groups were like a big thing, you know, and people were actually like supporting each other and like being like building a community. So I started to post my microblading work, which was also very new back in Europe, and people were like what's that? What do you mean hand done? You know, because microblading you do it without machine, you do it by hand. So they were like wow, I like your. So I created a little bit already hype about my name before we moved here. And then when we moved here, there were people like lining up by themselves Wow, I would like to learn this.
Speaker 1So we like moved really fast and started to teach people here to do microblading were you ever afraid that, like if you taught too many people, it would cut into your business? Or did you even care?
Speaker 4that's actually what happened.
Speaker 3Probably really, yeah it was so, so big the business back then. You know, like with the students that you cannot think this. You just want you know, to jump in the opportunity you know yeah, it's crazy opportunity yeah, but a lot of my, our students are teaching others, yeah of course it's the name of the game you know yeah everybody want to jump for the money, it's true I almost trained for to do it.
Speaker 1I thought about it but I was like I don't know if it's a, it's a commitment, like I didn't know if I wanted to do that all the time, because I'm an esthetician too, yeah, um. Yeah, but I can see why people would just jump on, especially around that time is when it really was starting to get hot here.
Speaker 3Yeah, when we're like at the right place you slid right in there, yes, the best country in the world, the best state in the world. You know, like the beauty of the beauty here.
Speaker 1Yeah, you think this is better than Greece? Yeah, what?
Speaker 3do you mean the opportunity here?
Speaker 1Oh, the opportunity.
Speaker 3Yeah, okay, yeah. First of all, it's the best country in the world, the country that I said always is the country that you can dream. The dreams are awake in this country. The state also helped us because of the beauty, so much it was the peak of our life.
Speaker 1Oh, that's not so nice. That's really nice, it sounds very much like.
Speaker 2My dad was very much the same way he always said all the time, it's the best country in the world because of that.
Speaker 1His dad was from Italy, yeah.
Speaker 2So he was very much. He came here, you know when he was, I don't think it was like 20 something, so he was just always raving. You know, this is the best country, no matter what. It gave him the opportunity. Yes, it is, I love my country.
Speaker 3Sure, I love my country. It's not that I compare, you know, like the two countries, but here is the land of opportunity. It is the opportunity, the dream is always awake. You never know when you will hit something, and you will. You will be, you know, like multi million, successful or celebrity or this, whatever it can happen only in this country well, we're glad to have you welcome. Now we're American citizens, that's awesome congratulations we actually won a green card lottery.
Speaker 4He won. I applied, he won. So if one of you wins, it do you both get it. We actually won a green card lottery. Whoa he won. I applied, he won.
Speaker 1So if one of you wins it, do you both get it?
Speaker 4Yes, because we were married already.
Speaker 2And this was while you were living in Greece.
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 2And then, okay, you had come here and then, or you were just like no.
Speaker 3Daria had one question and she said she came to me and said you know what I want to live? You know, like my dream, I want to live something big. And because I worked with one Greek American guy for many years me and my father for many years we are distributors in Greece of this guy so I flew here a couple of times and I saw the big dream, I saw the big life, I saw his life and I was so jealous and I said to my wife if you want to live your dream, you want to live you know the amazing life. We need to go to los angeles. So we came with daddy a couple of times for vacation and we go back. We went back in greece. I say I'm in love with los angeles. Now I want to move over there.
Speaker 3So we started watching this secret oh yeah so we sit down together and we make one big dream that we are moving one day in Los Angeles without having any solution.
Speaker 1Wow.
Speaker 3We couldn't move.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3So one friend of hers, we fly in for vacation in her country, belarus, and her best friend gave me the lucky $2 bill and she said apply for the green card lottery and you will win. And I said what is green card lottery? She said it's a lottery like you win the lotto, apply and maybe you have a chance. So she applied because I have no idea how to do this and the second time I won the, the green card that's amazing.
Speaker 4No, there is a thing like people living in the us. They don't know that there is such a thing so like there are people and they give some percentage for each country because they want this diversity, you know. So there is like a small percent of like two percent for greek people or like five percent for russian like. So, like for different countries, yeah, and they like pick randomly.
Speaker 1They say randomly selected Are you sure they didn't see pictures of you guys and they're like, yeah, I got these guys.
Speaker 2No with pictures, just voice samples. Yeah, just voice samples. I like the way they sound. Yeah, good voice.
Speaker 1Okay, so then you came here, and then did you immediately put together the Permanent Makeup University.
Speaker 4That's what you called it right away. So yeah, because I was practicing it before in Greece already, you know like, and people were asking we moved so fast. We moved here in July, beginning of July, and then in August we already opened the academy.
Speaker 1Oh, my God.
Speaker 4It wasn't like an academy.
Speaker 3The small academy.
Speaker 4But yeah, it was like a training room and two extra rooms and you started six months. We opened a bigger academy, we moved to the other place. Bigger place was more, yeah, so it just was like perfect it was meant to be.
Evolution of Eyebrow Techniques
Speaker 1It was meant to be, yeah it was meant to be okay, so then. So you were doing microblading, right? So then tell me now what you're doing. Um, first of all, if you don't know what microblading is, can you explain what that is?
Speaker 4Microblading became so popular, everybody learned what is microblading. It's a handheld tool and you do hair strokes like small incisions. You kind of cut in the skin so you create small strokes and you rub the pigment inside and that's how it's staying in your skin. It's like a prison tattoo, yeah.
Speaker 3But beautiful yes exactly.
Speaker 2Yeah, I guess. So Nikki used to be in marketing. Everything was like a prison tattoo.
Speaker 3We're trying to sell pizza.
Speaker 1I don't understand. It's like a prison tattoo.
Speaker 4Yeah, but there were a lot of like downfalls with these techniques trying to sell pizza?
Speaker 1I don't understand. Okay, you can present tattoo.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, okay, but there there were a lot of like downfalls with these techniques because, over time, because of the cut, yes okay like you know the color would spread more, okay or not.
Speaker 4Every skin type was a good candidate for the procedure, so like it would not hold well or become a little bit blotchy, uneven. You know the depth. You couldn't regulate so well the depth and with this technique you know so some some skins would hold the color and age beautiful and look beautiful even over time. But a lot of skins were not good candidates for microblading so later on we introduced ombre eyebrows.
Speaker 1And that's what you're doing now Bombre, bombre.
Speaker 4Yes, that's when Costas actually came into the industry. He was like specializing more on this, like ombre eyebrows.
Speaker 1So you were doing the eyebrows too at the time.
Speaker 3I'm doing everything.
Speaker 1You're doing everything I'm doing eyebrows.
Speaker 3I'm doing eyeliner.
Speaker 4He's multi-talented.
Speaker 3I'm doing everything.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 3Yes, daria, specialized more for the like, the fluffiest, or the new technique that she will explain you and the amazing winged eyeliner. I'm doing only the lips.
Speaker 1Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1So what's the difference between the Bombre and the so?
Speaker 4Bombre Ombre eyebrows we use a machine and we do like shading eyebrows, not like old tattoo where it was like super packed color. It's very sheer and very natural. You can create like as natural as you want. They're semi-permanent colors, or we use permanent makeup colors, but they're kind of a blend of the two colors, so it's like organic and organic. Yeah, like it's kind of a mixture.
Speaker 1They're not gonna disappear from your skin they're still lasting, but fading a little bit faster but they don't fade into purple like they used to in the old days, that's why?
Speaker 4because they're balanced and that's why you need to be very careful choosing permanent makeup artist, because it's like a relationship, you know, like you are stuck with your eyebrows for years if you choose artists that will screw your face, you're going to have a regret on your face for years.
Speaker 1What would you tell someone to ask then?
Speaker 4So, that's where the years of experience are very important Real pictures.
Speaker 3Real pictures from the clients right after the procedure, from the clients with healed results, because a lot of people they just stole pictures from the clients right after the procedure, from the clients with healed results, because a lot of people they just stole pictures from other people you know they post and like it's a lot very competitive industry too.
Speaker 4I'm telling you a lot of people.
Speaker 3When it became so popular, they went to YouTube. They watch videos how we are doing the procedure and they just jump on the client and do the procedure and then they destroy the fish and then we have these clients to come to us to do removals and that kind of stuff it
Speaker 4was very aggressive, you know but yeah, years of experience where it come handful is because an artist can see the result, how the color is aging over a period of like even three, four years.
Speaker 1How often would you say you have to do either one, so in general, we recommend once per year for the eyebrows to refresh the color.
Speaker 3But we work very natural.
Speaker 4Yes for natural results to maintain it. But what happened to me as an artist? Like when I first started I I went for training to very reputable place with very good brand pigments, expensive, you know, and uh, over time, after one year, after two years, sometimes they would come all orange. Oh so, like there was a phase, the micro. Then I switched to another brand and until you you understand the color and how to modify it and what corrector to add to. Like it's taking you for each pigment line. Every time you're switching a pigment line you need like three, four years to find the and fine-tune the color because, like on this, on this skin color it can age more cool, you know, on the other skin color so you that's.
Speaker 4That's where the experience is very important. Yeah, like a fresh artist.
Speaker 1Unfortunately, don't have this experience I would never go to somebody who just got out of whatever training or whatever.
Choosing the Right Artist
Speaker 3Yeah, but a lot of people you know, like when you go out from your training.
Speaker 4Of course you offer a very cheap price because you want slowly, slowly, to have experience how you will have clients you offer a cheap price, so a lot of people they go, you know, after the prices.
Speaker 3Oh, I broke you. These are so good. They were super cheap, though, yeah yeah, saved a ton of money.
Speaker 1Um, so, yeah, so definitely don't skimp on if like, and we'll talk more about. I want to talk more about cost. Uh, to cost us about the lips, but, like if somebody's charging a tiny amount of money, I would be suspicious a little bit, you know definitely no, no one like good artists in our industry that respect his work, because it's years of experience and these trainings are not cheap either.
Speaker 4You know like you invest in all the time. Yeah, so nobody will will charge, yeah, little, yeah so okay.
Speaker 1So what happens? Like, um, just talk us through, like say I'm getting my eyebrows done, I come into your office, you do them, what can I?
Speaker 4so I think, also what you need to pay attention is the aesthetic of the person you're going the artist, because everyone has different styles and that's how we attract likewise clients, because we specialize in more natural results. So the younger girls who want like a little bit more bolder eyebrows, they most likely will choose, like different artists, you know, for a different style. So that's something important Like pay attention if the results are natural, if it's something that align with your aesthetic right um, that's really super important.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah. So if I but um so like somebody comes in, you do their brows, what can they expect? Um, like the first day, you know, over the next few weeks?
Speaker 4so it's always looking bolder, darker, more reddish, you know, because there is like a little bit of swollenness, a little bit of skin irritation you know, and the color the first days is sitting on the surface. Okay, what's happening later? The scabs are peeling off and the color will be under the epidermis. So that's why we always say, like, don't look at yourself in the mirror for like the next couple of weeks because it's not the result.
Speaker 3Yeah, she has client that she finished the procedure and the client start crying and she won't refund and all that stuff and that I say you know what, take your refund, take everything I don't want, just don't look your eyebrows for 10 days. And after 10 days we start receiving flowers in the office because she, she feels so bad. You know she loved her eyebrows and she started sending you know like flowers and all that stuff.
Speaker 4Yeah, we had like a lot of drama. Yeah, after the procedure. For some people it can be a little bit overwhelming. So we we're good to explain that and we have an aftercare instructions. You know like what to expect the first day. So the process, like the healing process, it's important to understand because it's going to be like bolder.
Speaker 3Something else I want to add here, because it's very, very important, is this when the you give them the aftercare and you explain them exactly the steps that they will see day one, day two, day, five, day, 10. When they see every single day exactly what you explained them, they understand how experienced you are in your business. So we explain 100% what they will see first day, second day, day five, day 10, when they will see the final color and when we can touch again the eyebrows.
Speaker 1So this is very important for the client because they understand how much experience you have yeah, and you send everybody home with like little packets of like you know what to do and like all, the aftercare and everything is super, super important, but yeah, like pretty much I would say 10 days it's.
Speaker 4That's where it's going through, this process of like peeling little bits, scabbing uh, darker, bolder, redder, you know and then after 10 days you can start like wetting the eyebrow area for lips it's different after care, so then the scars peel off and then actually the color will look too light right, that's the ghosting period. Yes, and then the color will like kind of show better in the full potential. When would you expect it? Yeah, day 15, day 20s that's the actual color that it's going to land on.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay cool, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm sure you've had some people just freak out.
Speaker 4Yeah, I had um, she's a good client of mine now. Every time we see each other, uh, we're laughing. But she was so hysteric she was calling after a few days and, like you, ruined my career. I cannot go over this.
Speaker 1That's the worst feeling too, because even though you know that's not true, but I don't know.
Speaker 3As an esthetician.
Speaker 1Sometimes somebody sends me, anytime, anybody sends me a picture of something after a treatment. I assume I'm going to be on dateline tomorrow. Like you know, like I'm going to jail.
Speaker 2Nikki has a lot of outstanding warrants.
Speaker 1But you feel terrible Like I can't sleep if somebody's not happy with what I've done. But, then it usually ends up being something like you're saying, like it's something that they just didn't expect or something that you had no control over.
Speaker 4No, now I'm really cool with this process. I'm like okay, can we talk after two weeks? Like, yeah, it's it, I promise you it's, it's gonna be different, you know. So, like I, I it doesn't bother me inside, like, uh, it doesn't put too much pressure, because when I first started it was very, you know, like a lot of pressure. And you have a lot of responsibilities. Sperm and makeup, you know yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2You were stuck with it for years and you're not one of those things where, like you know, people get drunk and they go for a tattoo and they go. Oh, I got it on my butt.
Speaker 3You know they can cover it up. This is on your face.
Speaker 2This is like you can't be like oh, I got wasted and got my eyebrows done, it's like no, you want to go in there sober. Yeah, yeah, yeah Make a good decision?
Speaker 4No, for sure. No, alcohol is our rule. Yeah, this is a thin your blood too, because it's thin your blood.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1So who's a good candidate for doing this and who would be a bad candidate for doing the ombre?
Speaker 2Who should we like? Who should we hate?
Speaker 4So in general, with fluffy strokes, I didn't jump into fluffy strokes, right, no? So we said that. Then we introduced the ombre eyebrows. Okay, yeah, and then the past like five, no more Three four years yeah. Like during pandemic, you know, like I was practicing already, so like right after, so like our son is already.
Speaker 3So this is a third incarnation of it.
Speaker 4Four years, it's the best technique we, I do fluffy stroke. I call it, it's my kind of like signature name for this technique. It's a combination. You do hair stroke like kind of microblading, but with machine with shading method. So, this is the best of the best. Right Now, you can do more skin types. It's working well for oily skin. It does work well for sensitive skin. That wasn't a good candidate for microblading, so we have more options.
Speaker 3You don't damage the skin, yeah, even if they have previous tattoo.
Recovery Process and Client Expectations
Speaker 4I can still do like a little bit combination hair stroke with with the shading together, so like it's, it's, uh, my favorite. I'm very happy with like how it's aging and look at all our time.
Speaker 1So because it's two different types. That's why I gave up on microblading complaint.
Speaker 3I know I haven't touched microblading to all the past, like first of all, with microblading you cannot go to the same client more than two, three times, even if they have very good skin three times four times maximum, because you open the same stroke and every time that you open the same stroke, it's gonna look blurry and then it looks like powder. That's why the future is ombre eyebrows and fluffy strokes.
Speaker 4It's not a microblading and it's more scar tissue too. Yeah, of course that makes sense, you know like when you create more scar tissue on the skin. The color won't take the same over time With fluffy stroke. It's such a gentle technique.
Speaker 1I don't even heard of that. So that's yeah, very delicate, very, very gentle.
Speaker 4Do you do that on very gentle to me, do you?
Speaker 1do that on? Do you give them option, first Like I do ombre and then do fluffy stroke, or you just, you just go straight for, like the combo we have we still have.
Speaker 4Even on our website. We still have microblading ombre fluffy strokes as an option, because some people haven't heard about fluffy strokes and they book for microblading. But they come explain as they have a trust you know they come to you, to what I see it's daria.
Speaker 3Definitely try to push the client for fluffy strokes, because the best result is the most natural and the most gentle technique for their skin yeah, and the most important thing for us is the skin of the client first not the results right because I cannot damage your skin and just give you results. Yeah, I need to give you natural results and respect your skin. This is the most important. That's why she promote more the fluffy strokes.
Speaker 1Is that your name for it or is that like so, like if somebody were looking-.
Speaker 4Different artists have their own, different names. Like this technique is coming more from Russia, like Baltic, so some people call it hyper realism eyebrows, or like kashmir eyebrows or, um, I don't know, like yeah I don't know a lot of names nano strokes like different yeah, like different names, but pretty much if you're talking about hair stroke done with machine and shading method, because also they were doing strokes with machine but not in shading movement, in like dragging movement, which was different.
Speaker 3Yes, and that's I was training that years when I first started micro blade.
Speaker 4Because micro blade was so new, you know, nobody was doing it. So I went to training for nano strokes with machine. But it wasn't shading, it was a different technique and it didn't work so good. Okay, so like that's completely different.
Speaker 3The powder powder strokes right like you create the strokes with powder. You just brush the skin and create the stroke. You don't go into the skin and work with your machine.
Speaker 1We don't work into the skin. You don't work into the skin for your with your machine.
Speaker 3Oh wow, we don't work into the skin.
Speaker 1You don't work into the skin.
Speaker 3No for your lips, For your lips for your eyeliner, for your lips for eyebrows.
Speaker 4It's like shading we don't work into the skin. We don't like All the techniques.
Speaker 3It's just brushing the skin.
Speaker 4Well, I want to talk to you about that?
Speaker 1Yeah, because, yeah, that's pretty intense, a weird painful way um so okay, so has anybody ever come to you for like, um, just, they have no eyebrows whatsoever.
Speaker 4Yes, it's happened a lot and that's where you really can change someone's life.
Speaker 3Yeah, you can boost their confidence you can really.
Speaker 4You know like save their time and stress and confidence. Like confidence is very important because we work with alopecia client with cancer Save their time and stress and confidence. Like confidence is very important Because we work with alopecia clients with cancer survivors and this cancer survivor myself Right, I really appreciate having permanent makeup while going through this period of time. Because you know like and for eyeliner, no lashes. You know like you look really bold. I hadn't even thought about that. Yeah, no lashes. You know like you look really bold. So like a little bit touch of lash enhancement that I had in my liner and, uh, eyebrows. You know like it was really great to have you know going through the cancer but, for people who have alopecia.
Speaker 4I had a young girl like um was a problem like picking up on eyebrows.
Speaker 1She was pulling them out. Yeah, oh yeah trichotillomania, I know, yeah, it's like a hair pulling.
Speaker 4Yes, yes, so, like in these cases, you can really do a difference. That just changes their lives, right.
Speaker 3You look at yourself especially as a woman and you're like I have a face now so you can frame your face and male alopecia clients. You know like you change their life.
Speaker 1Do you ever do and we didn't even talk about this before but do you ever do like any?
Speaker 3of that on the scalp.
Speaker 1No, okay, no, I wonder if that's a thing that people do or not.
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Speaker 4I like procedures, you know, like that aging also, and you can work with it over time. With the skull, pigmentation is very tricky, okay, you know, because how you will go over the same, the same over time, it will work okay, right so it just looks like you put magic marker on your head yeah, there are some amazing results right after that.
Speaker 3We're working in light and the new techniques are more light and all that stuff.
Speaker 4But you don't know how they will age after three, four years maybe there are some couple of like artists in the world, of course, that like been doing it for years and they found the right patterns, but like it's not like somewhere I would easily trust maybe is that what happened to uh gorbachev.
Speaker 2I think that's what happened.
Speaker 1he was probably the first client and they said no no, no.
Speaker 2And they said no, and then he proved them all wrong.
Speaker 3And then they stopped it for 10, 20 years Exactly.
Speaker 1Yeah, all right, so we're going to wrap you up in a second. But so, like, just what should somebody do before they have any of those treatments? Like, what would you recommend that they do or don't do before you come in for a treatment for the fluffing or the?
Speaker 4So we recommend to avoid any alcohol for, I would say, at least one day, because fluffy stroke is gentle technique. So there is not much bleeding. With micro bleeding there was a lot of blood, yeah, so then you know like it would affect. Now, like, uh, even I, I tell it's okay to have your coffee before I would say like no coffee oh that's right, okay, but obviously, you know, during pregnancy you don't during nursing, it's not recommended the procedure.
Speaker 4And if you have like, if you're undergoing cancer treatments, you know like you need to consult your physician because every cancer treatment is different you know, so like sometimes they can do it right after, sometimes they need a couple of months you know so it's better to. Sometimes they need a couple of months, you know. So it's better to. And I mean, like any inflammation, any irritation in the area, obviously you cannot work over open skin.
Speaker 3you know, If you want to do your fillers or your Botox better, first the Botox and the fillers and then permanent makeup. Oh, okay.
Speaker 4That's good to know. So in general we recommend like few weeks after Botox, so everything can settle down. Then you can do it, or fillers also. I would give fillers three, four weeks to settle. Yeah, because you don't want to traumatize too much the area.
Speaker 1All right, so we're going to wrap you up. So where can we find you? Where can people find you? Usually, at last, people find you. Where can people, where can people find you?
Speaker 2usually, at last, people. Where can people find you on the social media? Just so we have something and then we'll put at the bottom golden brows our.
Speaker 4Instagram like that's our website platform and then Daria perban makeup website or golden brows too. You know like it's kind of connected with academy. They can choose Perban Makeup website, or Golden Brows too. You know like it's kind of connected with Academy. They can choose studio or Academy.
Speaker 1Perfect, all right, and I know that you do great work and I have a few people that actually I'm referring to Diane, to her, I think.
Speaker 2Oh nice.
Speaker 1Yeah, so I gave her your number. So anyway, All right cool.
