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So"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3279.42,"endTime":3282.69,"body":"yeah, it's nice to get to"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3279.42,"endTime":3282.69,"body":"talk to all of you and seeing"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3282.69,"endTime":3286.38,"body":"your faces actually on camera"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3282.69,"endTime":3286.38,"body":"and hear you since I know both"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3286.38,"endTime":3288.69,"body":"of you for a little while now."},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3286.38,"endTime":3288.69,"body":"So I really enjoyed it. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3288.69,"endTime":3289.2,"body":"for having me."},{"speaker":"Devin","startTime":3291.48,"endTime":3295.23,"body":"What I'm saying like, Oh,"},{"speaker":"Devin","startTime":3291.48,"endTime":3295.23,"body":"you're a real person. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3295.98,"endTime":3299.13,"body":"I'm a real person this"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3295.98,"endTime":3299.13,"body":"fight ya know what you think?"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3299.52,"endTime":3301.08,"body":"But it's has been really nice."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3301.29,"endTime":3303.66,"body":"It's weird to actually"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3301.29,"endTime":3303.66,"body":"talk to people like in quote"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3303.66,"endTime":3307.89,"body":"unquote in person. Switch so"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3303.66,"endTime":3307.89,"body":"used to just text and chat"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3307.89,"endTime":3312.48,"body":"anymore so, okay, thank you both"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3307.89,"endTime":3312.48,"body":"so much for joining. Everyone"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3312.48,"endTime":3316.17,"body":"listening. Thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3312.48,"endTime":3316.17,"body":"listening. Tell your friends. We"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3316.17,"endTime":3317.4,"body":"love hearing from you"}]}