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It's Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":2872.77,"endTime":2876.22,"body":"everybody's journey on that is"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":2872.77,"endTime":2876.22,"body":"is individual though. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":2876.22,"endTime":2881.29,"body":"the vaginal plasti. You have two"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":2876.22,"endTime":2881.29,"body":"of us here. Talking about how"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":2881.29,"endTime":2885.73,"body":"amazing that is. And it's the"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":2881.29,"endTime":2885.73,"body":"best. It's the best. And"},{"speaker":"Lisa Bunker","startTime":2885.73,"endTime":2887.53,"body":"you know, just"},{"speaker":"Lisa Bunker","startTime":2885.73,"endTime":2887.53,"body":"preaching to the choir. We never"},{"speaker":"Lisa Bunker","startTime":2887.53,"endTime":2890.62,"body":"know who's going to end up"},{"speaker":"Lisa Bunker","startTime":2887.53,"endTime":2890.62,"body":"listening to this. 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And never have anybody"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3027.39,"endTime":3031.62,"body":"buy into it, but getting people"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3031.62,"endTime":3037.23,"body":"to buy into your vision. So"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3031.62,"endTime":3037.23,"body":"we've got a little strategy"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3037.23,"endTime":3039.72,"body":"meeting that we have every week."},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3037.23,"endTime":3039.72,"body":"So I'm going to toggle over to"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3039.72,"endTime":3044.82,"body":"that. Lisa, it was amazing to"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3039.72,"endTime":3044.82,"body":"meet you, in person here. And to"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3044.82,"endTime":3048.99,"body":"talk to you and Vanessa, always"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3044.82,"endTime":3048.99,"body":"good to see you booboo. 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And, folks, if you're"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3065.19,"endTime":3068.22,"body":"listening to this, you find"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3065.19,"endTime":3068.22,"body":"value. You love what we're"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3068.22,"endTime":3071.52,"body":"saying or you're maybe we're"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3068.22,"endTime":3071.52,"body":"inspiring you smash that"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3071.52,"endTime":3074.88,"body":"subscribe button, follow us"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3071.52,"endTime":3074.88,"body":"download this episode. We've got"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3074.88,"endTime":3079.11,"body":"30 episodes and we want to hear"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3074.88,"endTime":3079.11,"body":"from you and we want you to join"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3079.11,"endTime":3081.72,"body":"us on the journey. So thanks so"},{"speaker":"Taryn","startTime":3079.11,"endTime":3081.72,"body":"much."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3082.77,"endTime":3084.03,"body":"Thank you, both of you."},{"speaker":"Lisa Bunker","startTime":3084.81,"endTime":3086.4,"body":"It was a pleasure."},{"speaker":"Lisa Bunker","startTime":3084.81,"endTime":3086.4,"body":"Thanks for having me on."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3086.82,"endTime":3087.45,"body":"Definitely."}]}