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That's"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3468.72,"endTime":3471.81,"body":"pretty clear. I mean, even"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3471.81,"endTime":3478.89,"body":"beyond the yes, even beyond the,"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3471.81,"endTime":3478.89,"body":"you know, trans or queer, LGBTQ"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3478.89,"endTime":3481.86,"body":"discrimination, that is its own"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3478.89,"endTime":3481.86,"body":"thing, the the uneven"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3482.82,"endTime":3489.27,"body":"application of the law. 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And, and, you"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3517.5,"endTime":3521.37,"body":"know, maybe eventually for your"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3521.37,"endTime":3524.25,"body":"candidacy, even the next go"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3521.37,"endTime":3524.25,"body":"around, if you wanted to do it"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3524.25,"endTime":3528.66,"body":"again, but if you're not allowed"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3524.25,"endTime":3528.66,"body":"to run this time, but yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3528.66,"endTime":3532.56,"body":"it's, um, I mean, yeah, just"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3528.66,"endTime":3532.56,"body":"that clear, as you said, uneven"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3532.56,"endTime":3535.65,"body":"application of the laws is, I"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3532.56,"endTime":3535.65,"body":"mean, that just shouldn't be"},{"speaker":"Jess","startTime":3535.65,"endTime":3536.13,"body":"upheld."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3536.16,"endTime":3540.99,"body":"Yeah, exactly. So now,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3536.16,"endTime":3540.99,"body":"the law has to be amended"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3541.02,"endTime":3546.15,"body":"somehow, before the November"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3541.02,"endTime":3546.15,"body":"election. Because even though"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3546.48,"endTime":3549.0,"body":"the candidates and if I'm"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3546.48,"endTime":3549.0,"body":"allowed to run, even if I'm"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3549.0,"endTime":3552.18,"body":"allowed to run and get on, if I"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3549.0,"endTime":3552.18,"body":"got elected, we would"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3552.18,"endTime":3556.23,"body":"technically be illegally"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3552.18,"endTime":3556.23,"body":"elected. Because the law states"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3556.23,"endTime":3559.98,"body":"that anyone who violates the law"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3556.23,"endTime":3559.98,"body":"is to be immediately removed"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3559.98,"endTime":3564.36,"body":"from office and have to pay back"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3559.98,"endTime":3564.36,"body":"their entire salary. So"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3564.36,"endTime":3567.15,"body":"something is going to have to"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3564.36,"endTime":3567.15,"body":"happen within the next few"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3567.15,"endTime":3570.0,"body":"months to sort this out. So."},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3573.54,"endTime":3576.15,"body":"All right, well, thank"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3573.54,"endTime":3576.15,"body":"you for the update on what's"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3576.15,"endTime":3579.48,"body":"happening. I know that you will"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3576.15,"endTime":3579.48,"body":"continue to keep us posted and"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3579.48,"endTime":3582.87,"body":"we'll probably start to see you"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3579.48,"endTime":3582.87,"body":"show up and more interviews. If"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3582.87,"endTime":3583.83,"body":"you just follow"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3583.83,"endTime":3587.19,"body":"me on Instagram, and"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3583.83,"endTime":3587.19,"body":"Australia. You know, I keep"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3587.4,"endTime":3590.13,"body":"that's where I do most of my"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3587.4,"endTime":3590.13,"body":"updates. So."},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3592.92,"endTime":3595.71,"body":"Alright, well, I think"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3592.92,"endTime":3595.71,"body":"that's it for our episode. A"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3595.71,"endTime":3600.45,"body":"little bit of joy, a little bit"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3595.71,"endTime":3600.45,"body":"of politics a little bit. of"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3602.49,"endTime":3607.47,"body":"human rights all one episode. So"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3602.49,"endTime":3607.47,"body":"I think that I think that's it"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3607.47,"endTime":3609.84,"body":"for us. I just want to thank"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3607.47,"endTime":3609.84,"body":"everybody for coming on tonight"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3609.84,"endTime":3612.33,"body":"and sharing the joy with me but"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3609.84,"endTime":3612.33,"body":"also talking about politics."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3613.86,"endTime":3617.37,"body":"Thank you. Don't forget"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3613.86,"endTime":3617.37,"body":"like, comment, subscribe. Tell"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3617.37,"endTime":3620.01,"body":"people about the show. We need"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3617.37,"endTime":3620.01,"body":"some patrons. We're losing"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3620.01,"endTime":3622.35,"body":"patrons. We're supposed to be"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3620.01,"endTime":3622.35,"body":"getting more not losing them."},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3623.46,"endTime":3626.1,"body":"Yeah, suddenly"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3623.46,"endTime":3626.1,"body":"internationally famous woman"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3626.1,"endTime":3627.09,"body":"here, right? Come on."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3627.54,"endTime":3630.24,"body":"Send us your $5 a"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3627.54,"endTime":3630.24,"body":"month. I mean, come on. 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Keep"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":3650.58,"endTime":3651.96,"body":"your heads up."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3653.46,"endTime":3654.66,"body":"Have a good one,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3653.46,"endTime":3654.66,"body":"everyone. Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":3654.66,"endTime":3655.71,"body":"listening and watching"}]}