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So we'll see."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":4200.9,"endTime":4206.87,"body":"But don't forget to like,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":4206.87,"endTime":4211.22,"body":"comment, subscribe and subscribe"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":4206.87,"endTime":4211.22,"body":"to that Patreon, please, please."},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":4212.75,"endTime":4215.9,"body":"So yeah, have a great one. Thank"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":4212.75,"endTime":4215.9,"body":"you again for listening watching"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":4215.9,"endTime":4220.01,"body":"whatever your however you find"},{"speaker":"Vanessa","startTime":4215.9,"endTime":4220.01,"body":"our show. Bye bye"},{"speaker":"Erica","startTime":4222.89,"endTime":4224.03,"body":"Good job, everybody!"}]}