Hello everyone. Welcome to the Bird Dog Podcast. My name is Tyce Erickson. I will be the host of this show and, uh, just wanna welcome you guys out today. Hope you guys are doing well. It's been a little while since I've been on here. I know that, um, uh, I've just been kind of slacking. I'll be honest. I just, uh, keep getting busy with training and doing dogs and I just, um, but you know, this podcasting stuff, it's really fun. I really enjoy it and talking to you guys and, and, uh, talking dog topics and. And, uh, it just, uh, sometimes it gets kind of put on the, the back burner a little bit when life gets busy. You know, I have five young kids and I'm doing some big game hunting myself, plus bird hunting, plus training dogs. And sometimes it just, uh, yeah, I don't get 'em out as consistent as I would like and I would, I'm gonna try to do a little better. Um, honestly, it's kind of, it's fun. When I have some listeners reach out to me like, Hey man, I haven't heard you on the podcast for a while. Are you doing okay? You, I, I want to hear some, you know, I'd love to, I love listening to you, and it just kind of motivates me, like, oh man, there's some people really falling along here. Um, and I know there are, I can read the numbers and stuff, so I'm gonna try to do better. Uh, that's gonna be kind of my goal is to try to get one out once a week. So. Um, stay tuned and we'll see if we can keep that ball rolling. So, uh, today is actually Halloween, so happy Halloween to everyone. Um, hopefully everyone has a good, safe Halloween and, uh, trick-or-treating goes well and, uh, and you have a good time. So also with today being Halloween, tomorrow is the opener of the Utah general pheasant hunt. So looking forward to that. Getting out, getting the dogs out, getting on some wild birds here and see what we can. Uh, let's see what we can make happen. 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Um, I've always just had kind of an old school, uh, Cabela's bird dog, um, vest, or a pheasant hunting vest. You know, the old, um, the sleeves come off and on and it, it works still fine. It's a great, great jacket, um, and it holds my birds. But recently I've, uh, uh, final rise helped me out and. We got one of their awesome vests. I'm running the Summit XT Vest system and I'll be honest, I love it. Thing is sweet. So, um, it's nice 'cause you, I love the, the vest because you can throw 'em on over whatever layer you have on, if you have a, a coat on or you have, um, a t-shirt, whatever it is, it just, it just slides right over and, and I've been really impressed how well it holds the weight. And I love the pockets, um, to put the shells in, put my, uh, transmitter in for training and, uh, it's awesome. So I have nothing, honestly, bad to say. It's held up great. So far. I haven't had any issues. Durability. It rides great, it's comfortable. Matt over there at Final Rise, he's a stud. Um, they're. Really are hunters themselves and try to produce a really good product and really invest in the community and stuff like that. You guys that already have a final rise vest, I'm sure you already know that, but I've been impressed with them. So on their website, retails for three 50. Um, I think it's worth it. They're not cheap, but if it's, that's something I think you'll have. Pretty much forever. So, um, I'm not sure what their warranties on them are. Hopefully you don't even have to use the warranty, but I'm sure they'll take care of you if there are any issues with anything, uh, down the road. So I'm just on their website actually seeing if they talk anything about their warranty. 299 5 star reviews. So pretty awesome on that Summit XT vest. Um, if you're needing help with, uh, dog training, check us out at Utah bird dog training.com. You can also follow us on Instagram. I've been posting a little more on there. 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Um, the dove hunt, at least in my area, was poor this year. Probably the poorest I've seen it. I just feel like there weren't. A lot of morning doves around. Um, we, I had a pretty decent shoot, I think we only shot like 16 or something like that on opener. And that was good for, I felt like we did good for the amount of doves we were seeing around there was a cut wheat field that some birds were coming into and, uh, just weren't a lot of birds. I don't know if they had a good, didn't have a good nest nesting season this year, or. If they push south, it seems like we, we did get a little storm, maybe some push south, but I just didn't even see a lot during the summer. So I'm not sure what's going on with the morning doves, at least in Central Utah location here. Um, feel free to chime in or make a comment. I'd love to hear how everyone else's Dove report was in Utah, but kind of re reports I'm hearing. It wasn't amazing. So, um, I'm hoping the collar doves. Come through. Um, I've seen a few of those around, but usually we'll get some winter kind of migration. They'll kind of group up, start hitting some corn fields around my area and we can shoot some of the collar doves and those can be great for dog training and eating and just, it's a fun addition to. Um, you know, the birds we already have to be able to hunt. And the fun thing about those is they're, there's no season and they're unlimited, so you can shoot 'em. They're just an invasive species. So I'm, I'm really grateful we actually have 'em here. I don't know how much they affect the morning deaf population. Maybe they do, but it seems like where I see them. They're usually nesting in pine trees around houses and around farms. And the morning doves are more in the brush and they're the wooded trees and, and uh, I'm sure some morning doves maybe nest in pine trees too, but I feel like they don't really overlap a lot from what I've seen them as. I've been observing them just out in nature. Um, I'll see 'em sometimes feeding together in the same fields, so I've never seen 'em like fighting. Um, and it seems like they kind of nest in different areas. So, uh, morning re morning duck report in Utah was pretty poor in my area, in my hunting area, so, um, hopefully you guys had better success. Uh, grouse hunting. Um, I haven't gone out and hunted grouse a ton. Um, I have gotten into birds and found birds. Um, the one area I hunted, I hadn't hunted it for probably 10 years. Went back in there and knocked down two rough grouse. Saw a couple others. Probably did seven miles. Um, I've been in there before and shot limits and so I would say that area was pretty down. Um, I think grouse numbers. I don't know if I'm hear from re reports I'm hearing. I would say they're average to maybe a little below average. From what I'm hearing and what I'm seeing out in the field is I've been big game hunting and stuff like that. Um, there are pockets where I've heard there's good numbers of grouse and decent numbers. I haven't heard it off the charts crazy, but then I've uh, um. The ones when I've hunted 'em, um, I've had some buddies have gotten into 'em and done well, and then I would say, but I don't, I have not word on, the word on the street isn't like, man, they're just grouse everywhere. I'd say they're about average ish and you can find grouse depending on where you're hunting. So average ish, that's what I'm gonna call it. Uh, for the grouse. Um, if we're looking at pheasants, quail, and chucker, um. Quail, I feel like, um, in some areas are up and doing a little better. I'd say, uh, chuckers seem to be doing, um, good, um, good, a little better than average. Some areas, um, I'm hearing really good reports and some areas they're about average, so I would say. Average to a, a little above average, I would say when it comes to the chucker report, and again, upland birds are hard. You can have one mountain range and the birds do great and you can have one mountain range that they are really struggling and they just haven't made a comeback. And so that's where it comes to getting those boots on the ground. Um, putting the Reese, putting the time in and, and, uh, but I would say best game birds in Utah, I would say right now they're doing the best or chucker. And then I would say. Um, your pheasants and quail for pen rate for wild birds, I mean, are about, about as good as, I mean, they're not phenomenal, but there's some, there's birds around, I would say about normal. So about average from what they are. Um, some quails started showing up a little bit around me. They seem to be doing actually pretty dang good. Um, I wish the state if they could grow quail and put more quail out there on the landscape in this area. Some valley quail or California quail. Um, I think they just provide a great opportunity and they seem to get away from predators better, so, um. The pheasant hunts tomorrow. And so that's something to look forward to and hopefully we can get the dogs out and get on some birds. Um, waterfowl, um, waterfowl reports so far is, uh, I would say average ish, maybe average to below average this year from what I'm seeing. Uh, typically what I see in the central Utah area is the bird. The local birds get banged up really hard. Um, you know, people have a pretty good opening shoot and then maybe a couple days after that, or a few days after the local birds are still around and get some shooting in, um, and, and do okay. And then we kind of have a dry spell from basically the month of October to that third or fourth week of October. And then the migration, we get some weather. And things start showing up and things start moving in. And that's where, what I'm seeing, that's what I'm hearing, that's what I'm seeing that some birds, um, are starting to move. I know there was a storm, I think up in Montana area and that pushed some birds a little bit down. So it seems like Northern Utah are starting to see. The migration push in. I had a buddy the other day, uh, yesterday, saw some swans, um, move in there up, uh, Northern Utah. I saw some swans here in central Utah, which I don't really see swans here very often. So there are a few swans that maybe that storm kind of pushed down. So if you got a swan tag, um, there are a few birds starting to starting to show up it sounds like. So I think, uh. From here to the end of the season, we're gonna start seeing birds. So if you haven't done much duck hunting, I don't think you've really missed out on a lot to be honest. But now this is the time you wanna get out there and start getting that dog in the field and hunt some ducks and geese. So, um, I would say that's kind of your so far 2025 fall hunting report on upland and waterfowl from what I'm seeing. Um. But, uh, but yeah, it's an exciting time of year and, uh, we're getting into bird hunting. A lot of big game hunting is kind of wrapping up or over, and so now it's really focused on birds and, and have, and have some fun with those. So, um, kind of tips and advice I guess we'll talk about for pheasant hunting, how to find pheasants in Utah. If you haven't done much pheasant hunting in Utah, the best places I've found them, wild birds are areas that people. Don't want to go, um, or out kind of areas you might bypass and then. And that could be like the benches, like around cities. There might not be a lot of birds, but sometimes you can find benches even up in like up in the scrub oak on the edge of the brush. You can run into pheasants up there. Really some old birds too, they can be sometimes challenging to hunt. Um, but you can kind of find those pockets where you can find some birds up around the city and the benches in the kind of scrub oak area. Check your regulations. Make sure you're not hunting in city limits. But those could be some areas you would check out. And then I would say the number besides agricultural stuff, which a lot of that's private, so make sure you're, um, you know, hunting in the right location. But your next best place is gonna be around your lakes. So up in the Great Salt Lake, you know, anywhere there's marsh land, the edges of that marshland. That's where you're gonna find your most, most of your wild pheasants. They're gonna get down that frag and the cattails and, and that kind of stuff where they can hide and get away from predators. And if you've got a good gun dog that's gonna get into that cover and, and bust those birds out, um, you know, you can still actually do okay on some wild pheasant hunting in Utah. Um, there's not. Tons of birds. I don't know if we'll ever see 'em completely come back, but, uh, there are still some birds to be had if pheasants are your thing. And, um, the fishing game do plant a lot of your walk-in access areas. So I believe you can get on their, the fishing game website and they'll, they'll post kind of areas where they plant birds and those can be a little crazy sometimes, depending if you're hunting them. Close to a high population area. I've had some clients hunt 'em in less populated areas and have actually had some pretty fun shoots and done pretty well with those birds that the fish and game release. So typically in the past, um, you could check with 'em. I haven't even checked what they're doing this year, but typically they'll release 'em. You know, during the, the whole month of the hunt on those walk-in access areas, you know, generally they'll drop 'em off like Thursday sometime and then so people can hunt 'em on the weekends when most people are off work. So hopefully, you know, if you're lucky and you get there right when they release 'em, you can have a pretty good shoot 'cause you can see the birds flying out there and, and go chase 'em with your dog or. You know, or hopefully some of 'em get away and they, and you can still pick some up here and there, you know, throughout the weekend or during the week when, when things slow down. So, um, kind of some things I do when I'm hunting wild birds. If you are hunting a brush line, um. And if you're, if you're a seasoned pheasant hunter, you already, I'm sure you'll know this stuff if you're not a seasoned hunter, but if you have a brush line and you're hunting it, put some blockers at the end. Just be careful, obviously, where you're shooting. But blockers are people that are standing at the end. So pheasants are notorious for running. So if you start pushing a, a hedge line or a brush line. And no one is at the end. Well, lots of times just run out the end and keep going into the next field or disappear wherever, or they'll fly out there early. But if you have a blocker that's putting pressure on those birds and then you push that brush line, they'll see the blockers and you basically will squeeze 'em. And as you come up on there, that's in, those birds are gonna hunker down and in. And when they come up, you got the blocker, they got you and you can shoot 'em and, and get the job done. Or if they bump up and they fly towards the blockers, they can shoot 'em. Um, and it just puts that pressure and just pins those running birds down better. Um, that's where you're gonna generally, you. Get your action. If you're hunting the end of a cornrow or something like that, just be ready right there at the end. 'cause sometimes they all come up at the same time and you're gonna get those shots in. Or very often those roosters can be smart, especially if they're an old wise bird. I've, I've had hens come up do and all of a sudden you're like, oh, I think that's it. Up comes a rooster at the end. So they will sometimes hunker down. Heavier than those hands. Um, if they've been hunted and they're educated, um, they're smart, they'll hunker down. So if you've pushed to an end to make sure you walk or get the dog in all that area at the very end, tromp those bushes, get the dogs in there. Whatever you gotta do, make sure that you've kind of covered the area. 'cause those birds, if they feel safe and they got a little 10 20 foot spot, the ye haven't really touched. They may just stay hunkered there. Especially if you don't have a dog and you'll just, okay, I guess there's no bird, and you'll walk off and then they'll pop up and take off. So, um, so that's kinda how you wanna hunt pheasants a lot, um, blocking with people. Or you can also use terrain to block. So push 'em up to a river edge, a ditch edge. Um, anything that kind of just. Stops 'em. So a lot of times you push 'em to the edge of the field, that's where you wanna be prepared. They'll push to the edge and then they don't wanna bust out into the open until you're right there. And then, right then, and they'll explode into the air. But if you don't really have an edge and you got a lot of cover, there's a good chance those birds are just gonna run, run, run, run, run. And you're not. Ever gonna see 'em unless you have a dog that can, you know, keep on 'em and get 'em into the air or hook around and throw a point for you, um, they will just continue to run circles around you or just run away. So they are a tricky bird. They're awesome bird. There's nothing more beautiful than a rooster pheasant, but you gotta kind of. Work the field, uh, to your advantage for sure. Um, if you're working dogs, make sure you work your dog in the wind. You know, you wanna zigzag that field so that scent cone is blown into that dog's nose. You're gonna have better scenting conditions and that dog's gonna be able to smell those birds and you're gonna be able to get more flushes or more points. Uh, that way, um, instead of working with the wind. So try to keep your dog's nose into the wind that's gonna help you find more birds and put more birds in your bag. Um, dogs, keep 'em hydrated. Uh, take some water with you if there's no water around, that's gonna help keep that dog's nose moist. It's gonna help you and smell those birds and help you again be more successful. Um, and, uh. Something you can do. There's, uh, if, if, if you have a longhaired dog, like I'm running a setter, um, is my, is one of my upland dogs, um, a little red setter. They have, he's really fun and my golden retrievers, they have longer hair and some of the areas that do ha have cock bears, you can trim up the longer parts of hair on their bodies, on the back of their legs and tails if you wanna do that. But I also have just a burr removal, um, brush that I use. And I basically, I don't really limit my dogs, I just let 'em go. If they get in the cock brews, I just plan on spending 10, 15 minutes and cleaning 'em out afterwards. So, uh, you can put some like Pam oil, like in their ears and kind of grease their coat down a little bit. So those birds do slide out easier. The areas it does seem to bother 'em is when they're more like in their armpits or. You know, in the moving areas of their body, that's where you need to get in there. And you know, as you're hunting and if you see your dog acting like it's irritating, fill around there, pull 'em outta their armpits, their crotch area, and make sure those aren't rubbing and, and bother 'em. But if they're just sitting on their ears or on the outside of their body. It doesn't really bother 'em, just, they usually just keep hunting. No problem. At the end, you gotta have a little cleaning party. But, um, I don't really let the, the terrain dictate. If I'm gonna hunt her off, there's birds there. I'm gonna put my dog in there and I'm gonna clean, just take some time and clean my dog up afterwards. If you're running a short hair or a lab or something like that, obviously you're not gonna have many of those issues. That's the beautiful thing about a shorthaired dog, like a, a short hair or a. Biela or any of those short wi we runners, whatever it may be. You know, you start getting your Britney's and your wire hairs. And, um, maybe I said wire, wire runner. Wire runners are swear dogs, your wire hairs, they're gonna, you're gonna have some burr removal to do with those dogs. So, um, when you're hunting out there, you know, try to be courteous. Uh, other hunters, other dogs, you know, just be sportsman's, like, sportsman's, like, you know, sportsman ship. Like, um, you know. Try to give 'em space work together if you're both wanting hunting the same. So, hey, why don't we just make a big old row and we'll push this together, you know, and, uh, try to, try to work as a team. We're all fellow hunters. We all want to get birds, and there's only so much public ground out there, so just do your best to, you know, to work together or go find another place to hunt and, uh, try to keep your dog. Hopefully under control. Hopefully you got a good trained dog that you can keep under control, keep out away from other people. It's kinda annoying sometimes when you're hunting and someone else's dog is running around you and, and especially if it's busting birds in front of you and not working for you and the other person just kinda lets it do whatever. So, uh, that's where obviously we come into play being dog trainers is, um, is having a well-trained dog. It's kind of a shame. Sometimes people, you know, they'll get a short hair or, uh, you know, a pointing breed of some sort that likes to run and likes to move and they don't. They just take 'em out and see how they do. Hopefully they hunt and some dogs have some natural ability and some dogs, they cause 'em to be gun shy and some dogs are busting birds and some dogs are running off. And so do your, hopefully you do your preseason homework before you put your dog in the game. It's like putting your dog in a football game and doesn't have pads on, doesn't know any of the rules, and he's all of a sudden getting drilled by the other team and doesn't know what's what's up. So. Do the drills, do the little drills, teach 'em the game. You know, obviously having that good control of the obedience, you've introduced 'em to gunfire, they know what the birds are, they know what the scent is, they're holding points, and then you can bring it all together and put 'em in the game and have an awesome experience. So, um, not saying you can't take your dog out, it's free country. You can do, you know, whatever you would like, but you're gonna be successful if you do lay the groundwork before you get out in the field. So, um. I'm trying to think if there's any other tips that I could give you guys when it comes to pheasant hunting. Um, watch where you're shooting. I say that's another one. Always watch your barrel control. Um, you get out with, uh, some young hunters or inexperienced people, um, don't be afraid if that barrel is ever pointed at you. Don't be afraid to tell 'em, Hey, keep your barrel up in the air. I like my gun more up instead of to the ground. So when the bird comes up, you can bring the gun. Down from the sky to the bird and not from the ground up across the dog or other people to the bird and actually hit a trip, bump the trigger or something like that, and shoot a dog. So it's better to have it up and then obviously if you trip or something, make sure that gun goes down in a safe direction and, uh, never obviously walk with your. Get finger on the trigger, on the trigger guard and just, uh, yeah, the hunter safety stuff we learned, you know, so, uh, yeah. High brass is great for pheasants. You can kill 'em with low brass too. Uh, be aware some of those hunter walk-in axis areas you do need to run, still shot, I mean, those areas 'cause it's more wetland if it's kind of a wetland habitat. So you be prepared to maybe have some still shots, some duct load or. They have some upland still loads you can use too, but just be aware of those rules. Um, since the bird is not a up or not a migration or migrating bird upland birds, you can have as many shells in your gun. As you want, I believe. Don't, don't quote me on all these, um, I'm pretty sure there's not like a, a limit on that, you know, unless there's like some crazy high capacity, like can't have more than 10 or something. But I've never heard that on Upland game. Um, usually it's the, the migratory species that you have to have a plug in your gun. You can only shoot, you know, three shells total. So, um, that's kind of fun to have, you know, more shots than just three. If, if, if you want to do that. I usually. I don't mess around with my plugs, so I just shooting over under, or if I'm shooting a semi-auto, I just keep my plugin and usually three is plenty. So, uh, anyhow, um, I think that's gonna be pretty much it guys for, uh, the latest and greatest. We'll get back on here on some topics and, um, other things to talk about when it comes to dog training. I have tons of topics I could dive into and I'm dealing with clients every day and the little things I see and the little things. Um, you know, they could do better. But, um, I would say number one thing, or, uh, one of the biggest issues I see are gun shy dogs, um, are the things that we need to try to fix. So, um, if you've not shot around your dog, don't ruin your dog by just taking him out pheasant hunting. Um. Get the dog really excited about something. Ideally it's a bird or a ball or something that it loves a bumper. I don't use balls, but you know something it lives for, and then slowly bring that gunfire in and tie that into something it, it really enjoys. So when it does hear that gun go off, it's looking for that thing it enjoys. And hopefully if you've taught the dog to love birds and enjoy birds when the gun goes off, it's looking for. A bird. So, um, one thing too is sometimes, you know, a pheasant hunt's, usually a big family affair. You can have a dog that seems okay with one or two guns, and now you're jumping it up to, you know, 5, 6, 8 people in your group and one pheasant comes up and three to five shots go off. You do the math. There's eight people that's 24 shots are going off. That's really hard to duplicate in training your dog. That may be too overwhelming for your dog. It may throw 'em off a little bit or cause him to be gun nervous or gun shy, and so. Kind of just watch your dog. If his demeanor's happy, he's running around, he's having a good time, and nothing's changing there. You should be good. You should. It shouldn't matter if you had 30 people out there, but if all of a sudden your dog pulls the brakes back, he doesn't go back to hunting. He's walking by you at your side, he's kind of walking behind you. Obviously he heads back to the truck. You know, that's more of an issue. But if he's just kinda like his demeanor. Changes. That's how you know if you're kind of, the dog is nervous. To what's happening. And um, if it doesn't get better right away, um, I would get 'em back out of the situation, get 'em back to the truck. Address that out of the field. We don't want the field ever to be a negative place. We want it to be positive. We don't want to do training in the field. We wanna reinforce things in the field. So do your training in your yard outta the fun place and reinforce in the field. It shouldn't be. And reinforce should be easy on a dog 'cause he already knows. What you're asking them to do, right? You're just reinforcing, or training is maybe new or, um, could be challenging or a little testing on the dog. We, we train separate areas 'cause dogs are very place oriented. So when you train in one area and reinforce in the other area. Um, and that area should be fun and exciting and where good things happen, that's what we want to do is just reinforce there and train and new things that are maybe harder. We're working through. We wanna do that in the yard or just a different area location, but an area ideally that doesn't look necessarily like the hunting field you go into. So, uh, when we go into the game, we want that. Let's say the football game, per se. We want everything to be familiar, comfortable, they're prepared for it, and we've done all the drills and stuff like that back at home or back at school or whatever you want to say. So anyhow, thanks for listening guys. Um, hopefully your dogs do awesome on the pheasant hunt. Hopefully you guys can put a bunch of ditch chickens in your bag and have a wonderful, safe time. You know, um, you're not required to have. At least last time I checked, I'll double check before I go out tomorrow, but required to have orange in Utah, but I still generally wear an orange hat or something orange. So if a pheasant does come up and swing your way, people can see that orange kind of stand out on you and, uh, you, you know, you're safe in that way. So, and now hopefully you guys are having a, a great, um, fall and, uh, stay safe. Hopefully again, you get a bunch of birds in the bag and we'll see it in the next show. Um, and have a great day.