We have an extra special one for you guys today! We're revisiting the mid-2000s with a seriously formative book from our highschool days. Can you guess what it is? It's pretty topical!
What's up my dudes and dudettes? My peeps. It's me, your co host, Rachel. And this is textual tension. And every other week, I come in here and tell you about what's going on in the textual tension world. And I couldn't say any of that with a straight face. All will become clear soon, I assure you. So I actually have a good amount of updates this time around. So first things first, Margie, and I had some technical difficulties. Technology is hard. And it was just exploding. We talked about a little bit more in the episode, but I just want to let you guys know that this isn't exactly going to be like our normal content. So this is a normal episode. But we are not putting out the bonus content that we would normally put out this week. We had some, like I said, we had some technical difficulties, and we really need to just take some time to reset and get all that figured out before we get back to our normal content. So starting two weeks from now, it will be all back to the bloopers the under the covers, all of that will go out as it has been. But this week, we only have this episode for you. That said, it's pretty fucking great episode strap in. The second thing I have to talk about, y'all, we have some new patrons. I bet that these wonderful patrons were the coolest people in high school or whatever age they were in the early 2000s. Ever. So hey, Janelle, and Antonia, you guys are great. All right, you're wonderful, we love you. And we super, super appreciate you helping us and kind of reaching out and supporting us, you're wonderful. And if you want to have any idea of what kind of stuff your support provides us with, the whole reason we're able to record remotely is because of you guys, we were able to buy any microphone for Margie, part of us figuring stuff out. And we're able to record record remotely specifically because of our patrons. If you are interested in becoming a patron, please go to patreon.com/textual tension. Remember, you can't search because we do adult content. But if you just go to that URL, you can find all sorts of bonus stuff, including some free stuff we've put out lately. And maybe you consider supporting us that would be really cool. And if you are thinking about supporting us or not, what would be even cooler would be if you would go and rate and review us. Honestly, ratings and reviews are what helped us the most. Even more so than Patreon. We really appreciate your support. But ratings and reviews really, really, really help us get out to new people and really kind of spread the word of, quite frankly, how awesome our podcast is. I'm biased, but that's fine. So if you could do that, that would be incredible. And if you want to reach out to us and just say hi any of our social it's at textual tension pod on all of the social Graham's the social Twitter's I don't know, all the social media hit us up, we have a website textual tension pod.com We have a T public haven't mentioned that in a while was some merch. And, uh oh. And you can email us at textual tension pod@gmail.com. So hit us up. We love to hear from you guys. Third thing I made a list because I had so much talk about a third thing is shout out to batas tipplers. So VA distillers is an awesome podcast that does reviews, romance novels, specifically from like the 80s, and 90s, and all that kind of stuff and super fun podcast. But they are actually writing a blog post for us this week about this particular book, specifically how this particular book has influenced the young adult genre, and how it has influenced romance like the genre. So check that out, too. It might not go up today, but it will be going out soon. So we will keep you posted on our social media about that. Last thing on my list is Hey, guys, we reached 10,000 downloads this week. That's awesome. You were amazing. You're wonderful and we cannot believe it. It's just crazy. So in sort of celebration of that we are going to be having some new merch are going out soon. Again, it might not happen today, but it will be happening within the next like week or so. So we will keep you guys posted. It's awesome. It's honestly I want it and that's kind of what I'm going for with it so, so keep your eyes out for that. And thank you guys so much for supporting us. So I hope you guys are staying safe. And I hope that you will enjoy in light of the current news if you have not heard of it. Episode 44 Guys, it's just Twilight tearing me apart from
Margie:Hello, and welcome to textual tension, a love hate relationship with romance novels. I am your co host, Margie, and I'm your co host Rachel. Every other week one of us reads and summarizes romance novel for the other unsuspecting co host this week that co host is Rachel. It's me. Her perfect Rachel. And together we unpack what
Rachel:the fuck just just happened.
Margie:Listeners we are still recording remotely and it has been a struggle.
Rachel:So friends and listeners, you may notice something a little bit different. Which is to say that Margie is telling me about a book, which Margie told me about a book yet two weeks ago. Margie Yeah, tell our beautiful listeners why you're telling me about a book again. For this for this our most special of episodes.
Margie:Listeners because
Rachel:we learned something.
Margie:No, we did it. It was not fun. It was awful. It was terrible. So listeners that I have at home. I have three computers. Three. Okay. And I've been able to get none of them to work with Audacity. So we have lost two episodes at like 75% Andrew to the episode. Well,
Rachel:I just think the book and the book is cursed.
Margie:I think the book is curse I think it's another curse book we now have to
Rachel:but but I think that ultimately it's there's a silver lining to this is because we're recording this again. And it's for a very special book because of some very special news in the romance novel world yet so Oh,
Margie:I was about to I'm only Rachel, whatever. Whatever you guys ask me. Okay, you're trying to make this into a silver lining. Good news thing, and it's I'm sorry, I'm still better, but like, let's just move on. Um, so, Rachel, I don't know if you've heard the news. It's fake news. It's really big news. Tell me about this big
Rachel:news. I think I know but the news but I'm so excited in a horrible way.
Margie:Our good friend Stephanie Byard is coming out with another Twilight book.
Unknown:Oh, god. What is the world?
Margie:Yes, yes, it is.
Unknown:2020 is a goddamn dumpster fire and she's not making it better.
Margie:No, no, no. I mean, it's spider a hole in the wall.
Rachel:Good. Marty's in our closet.
Margie:In my closet. And if it could, if you thought it couldn't get worse, then she's writing another novel. Oh, it gets worse.
Rachel:I don't know any details about it. I just know that she's doing it. Well,
Margie:it's called Midnight Sun. And it is Twilight told in the perspective of Edward
Rachel:from. Okay, hold up. Hold it, did it. It's Twilight. It's Twilight told from the perspective of Bella stalker.
Margie:Yes, yes. Oh, boy. Okay. Oh, guys. Um, we'll get into this a little bit. We'll get into this a little bit listeners. But I know about. She wrote midnight sun like over 10 years ago, but there was this whole thing that happened where half of the book got leaked online. And she got so bitter about it. She said like, I'm never going to release this book and all the why hard fans were so upset. Um, so now she's finally I guess, decided that she's going to release the whole thing. That's really the only difference that's happened. So like, you know, when I was 16, I may have downloaded half of the nightside illegally online, it's fine. It's fine. There's no record. So your past history, I have a little bit more perspective on Twilight, because I read like the first however many chapters have been nights on so I can give a little bit of that. Oh, guys,
Rachel:listeners, this is kind of what we're thinking for this. Twilight was just such a formative thing for all of us in our romance novel history. Yes. It really was that we really felt it just so important to address this. So here's what's gonna happen because I Margie has way more experience with toilet than I do. I read Twilight once. Yes, the first one. And I watched the movie specifically. So that I could bash it. Because everyone was going crazy about it. And I thought it was stupid. And my personal experience is that I read it was super into it. And then I thought about it for 20 minutes and was like, Oh way and then I never touched it again. Yeah. So right for those of you out there who have maybe not experienced Twilight, we thought it was very important for you to know what the hell's happening. So Margie is actually,
Margie:right. So if someone, if someone comes up to you in a bar, say Stephenie Meyer and says, Hey, have you heard about these Twilight books? Like, well, actually, I know about the super cool podcast called textual tension. Hey, let me let me just tell you about.
Rachel:So Marty's actually going to be telling me about a book that I've read. But to be fair, I was 16 when I read it, and remember almost nothing about it, except that it was terrible.
Margie:Well, and it I actually rereading it having not read it, I think probably in 10, over maybe over 10 years. I was surprised by how different my perspective was now. And I'm kind of excited. I'm really excited to talk about it. I think that it's going to be very cathartic. Because there's a lot of me disparagement there was a lot of me disparaging my 16 year old self, for liking this book, but we'll get into it, but now I kind of feel like oh, okay, right. I feel better about myself. Anyway. But let's let's crack right into
Rachel:Yeah, let's dive in. There's one thing that I want to say also is that if you I feel like loving shit like this, when you're that age is part of the process. Like I feel like you just kind of have to. So like if you do like this shit. Not a problem. It's an integral part of the process, but doesn't make it okay, when we're 27. And looking back at it. So Margie, let's treat this like any other romance novel, right? Hit me with those triggers. Yes, actually, wait, I'm sorry. I should probably get the cover and read the description. Should I?
Margie:Oh, my God. Okay, let me pull me up for a second.
Rachel:Well, I'll go ahead and pull it up on my end. Okay. Yes, I can't. And I have the more reliable computer if the two of us
Margie:Yeah, fair. Let's be honest. Let's be real. You know, one of three damn computers. That doesn't work.
Rachel:All right. Oh, god. Wow. I am. This is Jesus. I can I just say, when I was in high school, there was a dude after the Twilight movie came out that got his hair done exactly like Edward Colin from the movie. And constantly every day he wore it and that style. And it I think he thought it would make check like chicks like him a lot more. I don't think it worked.
Margie:No, no, no, baby. Oh, no, it didn't look for it didn't work for Robert Pattinson.
Rachel:No, it did not. No. All right. All right. So oh, God, I can't believe I'm looking at this piece of literature. Second fun anecdote. My sister owns all of these in German because she loved them and wanted a book that she'd really enjoyed to learn in German. So she read German. And let let me say the names of them in German. Not nearly as sexy. Okay, so Twilight. The cover itself is to just like I'm really pale. so pale. These hands are paler than Yes. It is a backhoe pail. Yeah. And it's two hands. Holding an apple.
Unknown:Do we?
Rachel:I don't know if I ever really got this. Why is it an apple?
Margie:Is it Adam and Eve out? Okay. Always been at Yeah, it's out of me. Yeah. embolism Yeah.
Rachel:Okay, that's what I was like. Now get that at the time did not Oh, god. Okay. And that's that's fucking it. That's everything which I mean honestly. Classy simple. Like and simplicity. Probably don't sell very
Margie:it does. It's very striking. It does. Definitely catches your eye. And I think it definitely caught eyes when it was on the shelf and God knows what 2006
Rachel:Well, no. And honestly, in like, from an artist perspective, that level of minimalism of black white, red. That is it is incredibly striking. Like that is me a very striking color scheme if you will. Okay. God, I just want you to know because I did mention it. The German title of Twilight is Bisou Morgan growl in case you're wondering, description, wow, this is actually a really short description. I'm about three things I was absolutely positive. First, Edward was a vampire. Second. There was a part of him and I didn't know how dominant that part might be. That thirsted for my blood. And third, I was unconditionally and irrevocably in love with him. Deeply seductive and extraordinarily suspenseful Twilight is a love story with bite. Marty, you can you can see this face. This is this is the fuck face.
Margie:Yeah, yep.
Rachel:I yeah, I will say that's like on par with some of the descriptions we've had from other romance novels we've done.
Margie:I don't think it is it all long. No much into either of the characters at all. But
Rachel:I get the vibe of it of I knew he was a vampire. I knew he wanted my blood but I loved him anyway like that level.
Margie:I don't. I think that it's it's definitely things that we've seen before romance novels. I don't think that description is before I don't think I've seen a description like that before. I think we've seen stories like this before and I'll get into that but I'm alright Rachel, you ready for those triggers?
Rachel:Remember those triggers
Margie:Okay, so we got the triggers are stalking torture over just overall arching violence. Depression, self deprecation, self confidence issues, insecurity. Many things. Anything's.
Unknown:I don't remember torture.
Margie:Yeah, there's torture. There's torture right at the end of the buck. There's some towards Wait,
Rachel:wait. Vor? Is that one war? Yeah,
Margie:there is war war. There is war. You're okay. There's war.
Rachel:I love that. I brought that word into your lexicon through the course of this.
Unknown:Ladies.
Margie:Okay. All right. So I have to, I have to preface the way, but we do. I know, we need to get into it. But my personal feelings of Twilight coming in. And we've gone a little bit into this is that I went through a definite Twilight phase in high school starting my freshman year, and it probably continued through to at least my junior year. And it really defined my relationship with romance for a long time. And I still have some very, like troubled feelings about it. And I think that's more because I was just trying to disparage myself, my 16 year old brain who was very naive and didn't know what healthy romance really was, however, and you're not gonna believe I'm gonna say this. It was not as bad as I thought it would be. Hmm. Okay, it was not. But so and I say that in the perspective of the books that we have read before. That is worse books. Okay, which is like such a low bar.
Rachel:That's fair. But I guess my one my one question is, does it make it worse? Because this is so so geared towards teens? Because the other ones were kind of just general romance, but this one is teen? Does that make it worse?
Margie:I think in some ways, yes. And I go, I go into that after we go through the summary. Okay. So ask that question again, later, but God,
Rachel:why I think that's a good thing to think that there in your, in my experience is a really good thing to talk about with this. So I am curious what your experience was because mine was mine was so hipster, that I need to know what yours is.
Margie:Right? Well, okay. And so also in terms of the prose, her prose and writing style, Stephanie isn't bad. Really. In fact, at times your descriptive language is actually really good. You could you can definitely get engrossed in Forks, not just, I mean, not just the vampires. It's a beautiful, like lush, wet, verdant town off the coast of Washington. And she describes it really well. So you feel like you're there. And that's kind of impressive, because the whole book Bella is describing it really negatively. But you're just kind of like it's it's, it just sounds really pretty. It's not great. It's not NIGHT CIRCUS level, but it's it's
Rachel:better than you expected.
Unknown:No. Okay. All right. It's
Margie:better than I expected. And it's also a kind of again, it made me feel better, because I was kind of like, Oh, hmm, all right. Like when I was 16. I wasn't just, you know, I wasn't naive teenager but I didn't fall for complete garbage in that sense. Right now. This is when we go into now. We'll say, Bella is not a healthy example, for young girls at all she knows regular is a very unhealthy example. She displays a lot of self destructive behavior. And also I think that she has depression, or a dim light coming from a person who has depression.
Rachel:Her thought not a psychologist fair warning,
Margie:that is like college disclaimer psychologists disclaimer, but coming for someone who does have depression, she the way that she talks about herself about forks about her life is just like very hopeless. And it's really sad to hear that from the perspective of a 17 year old girl. Yeah, who like she, you know, I mean, things are, things aren't going 100% her way. But um, everything is a bad Bella. Like, come on.
Rachel:I'm sweetie. And I think
Margie:there's a lot of Stephanie trying to make this self deprecating behavior seem very quote unquote, like romantic. And I don't mean romantic in the terms of oh, this is what Edward likes. I mean, more romantic in terms of a lifestyle romantic, like when you watch a Miyazaki film and think oh, the food and the scenery looks so beautiful. Bells behavior and attitude towards yourself isn't something one should find romantic you know, there's that right subculture that we have, that depression should be romantic and mental health. And mental illness is something that's like, Goshen, I don't know, like, invoke and it's like, it's not guys go get help. Hey, it's remember. It is cool. It's fine if you have mental illness, but like, don't let yourself suffer. Go get help.
Rachel:Get help. I know. It's hard. Get help. Now that will I will say, Marty, don't you remember that time in history when every thought everyone thought it was so fashionable to look like they had fucking like typhoid? Sorry, can some Yes. We have. Yeah. A stellar history that
Margie:was it that like the 1920s?
Rachel:No, earlier earlier than that?
Margie:I don't know. Yeah. So um, okay. So see this for the book. I although I didn't hate it. It was so long. It was just, it went on forever. Or Okay, for Okay, so, um, the plot we have, we have Bella who is 17 years old, pale, super, super weirdly pale skin. Dark, dark brown hair about down to her shoulders. And brown eyes and she is our our girl. We'll call her an hour girl. She's really just a girl. And that's our main chick. Sorry, I'm not explaining this very well.
Rachel:She sounds like she's basically a vampire already.
Margie:She has a little bit. Yes. So I'm at the beginning of this book. Bella is moving away from Phoenix, her hometown from her mother, Renee, who was recently remarried to move to Forks, Washington to be with her biological father. Bella and her father Charlie have never been particularly close. They don't have a bad relationship. But both Bella and her mother have something in common. They both hate forks. They both hate the town that Charlie is from.
Rachel:So why is she going there? So she
Margie:we'll get to that in just a second. I just want to say that forks. According to when Stephanie wrote this book was the rainiest city in America. According to Google in 2020, it is now Seattle, but they're not far from one another. I think Seattle's like a few hours away from forks. And Bella loves the sun in the heat despite her pale skin, so she really does not want to be moving to Phoenix. But Bella is choosing to move to forks ever own free will despite how much she hates it, because she wants her mom to feel free to go and be with her new husband Phil who travels a lot for work.
Unknown:Um, I don't know if I'm, yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's very
Margie:it's very much Bella tried to be the martyr for her mother. There's a lot of
Rachel:there's a lot of murder. Because like, you're 17 your mom could just fuck off and travel with her husband and you could just stay at the house by yourself.
Margie:I don't think that most parents though, would leave their 17 year old daughter on her own. And I don't think her mom would feel okay with doing that.
Rachel:Hmm. Because that was my childhood. So I was super down with it.
Margie:Right? Well, so, um, her and her mom is like, you know, she, she doesn't want Bella to feel like she has to go. But she's kind of letting it happen because it's really what Renee wants. It's what her mom wants. So she does kind of want to go hey, Phil. So it's not great. But you have to think about it too. Bella's 17. She's a junior In high school, probably or, or a very old sophomore, and so like she's not going to be in high school for that much longer anyway, she's only got two more years and then she can go to college and do it. You know, go wherever she wants. She doesn't have to save for it. She just basically has to get graduate high school.
Rachel:That's fair. And I guess so. My thought though, is like, I feel like it comes down a little bit to the mom to have like, your daughter is going to graduate high school in a year. Can you hang out for that long and then let her do her own thing and then you go do your own thing. Why would you make your daughter goes through that much of a change her junior year of high school,
Margie:but Well, she's also not making her Bella is choosing to do this. It is very freewill like mama want to go? Yeah. So it's very much a freewill thing. And also, Rachel martyrdom.
Rachel:Oh, right, Shannon, I'm sorry. I forgot about that. Okay, so
Margie:um, when a Bella gets there, she actually has got her father has a surprise for her. A red 1963 Chevy pickup truck. I mostly mentioned that because the the truck sounds adorable and I want it to
Rachel:Yeah, it's a fucking straight up classic car. Why would you give it to a 17 year old?
Margie:Well, so fella has to drive to school. She has to drive herself to school because her dad is the chief of police and forks. So he's at work a lot. And he wants he wants Bella to be happy. And so we bought her a car. Yeah. And a classic car. Yeah. Well, and it's um, she's really happy with the two because Bella is super clumsy. She's just very, very clumsy. And she's like, oh, yeah, nothing is gonna, like kill that thing. Like, it doesn't matter how hard so when it hits me it's gonna get hit. It's gonna get crushed. So she was there. Okay, so Bella starts school the next day at forks high school, she makes some friends really easily actually, they all kind of cling to her. I think it's because she's actually pretty. And because all the boys are all over her from like, the first day of school. And, and she's joins her friends at lunch he has people to sit with. And that's when she sees boy and his family. So I'm going to read to you the description. So you can get a sense of like, totally, definitely I don't not very Hypnotic Writing, okay,
Rachel:I don't remember this. So, oh, it's great.
Margie:They were sitting in the corner of the cafeteria as far from as far from where I sat as possible in the long room. There were five of them. They weren't talking and they weren't eating though they each had a tray of untouched food in front of them. They weren't gawking at me, unlike most of the other students so it was safe to start to stare at them without fear of meeting an excessively interested pair of eyes. But it was none of these things that caught and held my attention. They didn't look anything like one of the three boys won't. One was big muscular, was big and muscular, like a serious weightlifter and other was taller, leaner but still muscular and honey blonde. The last was lanky, less bulky with untidy, bronze colored hair. He was more boyish than the others who looked like they could be in college or even teachers here rather than students. The girls were opposites. The tall one was statuesque, she had a beautiful figure, the kind you saw on the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue. The kind that made every girl around her take a hit on her self esteem just by being in the same room. Her hair was golden gently waving to the middle of her back. The Short Girl was pixie like, did you know that was a full word pixie like like that's one word. Um,
Rachel:it sounds like it should be hyphenated.
Margie:It sounds like it's not thin in the okay with small features. Her hair was deep black crap short and pointing in every direction. And yet they were all exactly like every one of them was chalky, pale the palest of all the students living in this sunless town, paler than me the albino they all had very dark eyes despite the range in hair Hair tones. They also had dark shadows under those eyes purplish bruise like shadows, as if they were all suffering from a sleepless night or almost done. We're recovering from a broken nose, though their noses through though the other noses all their features were devastatingly beautiful, but all this is not why I couldn't look away. I stare because their faces so different. So similar. We're all devastatingly, inhumane, inhumanly beautiful. Do you see what I mean? But the hypnotic bit like it does serve you it arrests you.
Rachel:Here's here's my thing with that. It's not written poorly. Yes, written write quite well, right. The problem that I have with that is that when was the last time you sat down in a crowded room, noticed a group of people and just stared at them long enough to be able to get all of that information.
Margie:That's is very high, but I had thought about so. And also, they're on the other side of the room. They're on the other side of the cafeteria. So she's getting a lot of information.
Rachel:Yeah, it's just it seems unnatural. Again, not written poorly. And in fact, the way that people are described is like okay, that's an interesting description but at the same time it's like I don't know I'm maybe I'm just not that perceptive.
Margie:All right. All right. You're Oh,
Rachel:I don't know you're in a brand new school surrounded by people that are paying a lot of attention to you. I don't I don't see myself staring at these other people that aren't.
Margie:Right. Okay, so Bella notices these five people obviously, she noticed them and ask Wait, she
Unknown:does Oh, she hired
Margie:an ester for Jessica Who the fuck are all those hotties? Jessica's like, those are the colons all taken with each other except for boy, the colons were all adopted by a doctor Carlyle, Colin who works at the local hospital in tap, who works at the local forks hospital. And he has they adopted these five children with his wife as me as May as me I don't know. Bella notices that boy Edward looks at her during lunch but kind of gives her a look that says hmm, you seem were don't quite know what to make of you. And then just like goes back to staring at the wall.
Rachel:Okay, yeah. Here's, here's my next question. And I know it's probably explained somewhere in the book. I'm not sure. You are an ageless being. Why the fuck would you choose to spend that time in high school?
Margie:I actually reached out to a friend of mine to get her perspective on that. So that'll come in later. You gotta come I gotta hurry up again. i I promise I worked really hard on these notes.
Unknown:Sorry.
Margie:Okay. So fellas day continues first day continues very normally friends seem to latch on to her like glue to be honest. She very much fulfills the weird new girl stereotype. Until she gets to biology. She has to sit next to boy Edward in class who seems to instantly loathe her. Just like he glares at her and sits as far away from her at the same desk as possible. He doesn't say a word to her the whole class and then leaves without saying a word immediately when the class is over. At the end of the day, when Bella has to check in with the receptionist at school to like sign a form or something. She finds Edward actually trying to get out of that class that they're both in and into another he leaves the moment Bella enters the room. Um, so like, she's like, that's really weird. And it actually hurts her a lot more than I feel like it should. I mean, I get it because I keep forgetting like you have to think in the perspective of 17 year old girl. And I it probably actually would have upset me but like now I would have been like, Mikey Oh,
Rachel:but but Margie? He's so devastatingly. Handsome.
Margie:That's true. That's true. Tom. Is Tom Hiddleston looked at me like, with low they get to stayed. I would probably cry for three days. But like, let's, let's move on. Fair. So Bella goes through her first week of school and Edward Cullen never returns to school. So she's he doesn't come back in the rest of the week. She's relieved until Monday rolls back around and she sees Edward sitting, sitting again with the rest of his siblings. Um, later on, he actually introduces himself in biology and he seems genuinely interested in finding out why she moved to forks and she's kind of like, Dude, you hated me the other day. She doesn't really mention that. But she's like, this is really weird. Like, why are you talking to me now? Why you're being so nice, but she's also just completely captivated by him. Like, just like, hi, bye. Talk to me.
Rachel:It's okay, honey. He was just hangry
Margie:you literally literally. So he Edward is like very courteous. She doesn't notice anything wrong. She's like, okay, I guess we're kind of acquaintances now, but Well, we are sure and the next day at school. Bella is getting out of her track. She kind of sees Edward for cars down from her. And as she's like grabbing her stuff out of her out of her truck, a vans like skids on The on the spine almost like she she turns around, she sees the vans getting there's no way that she can get out of the way she pretty much has like time to close her eyes. And that's it before the end before the bad times come. And suddenly she feels something very hard, push her to the ground, and her head smacks on the pavement and she's like, What the fuck just happened? The van actually almost hits her twice, but Edward pulls her out of the way of the spinning van.
Rachel:I don't remember that. The second one. Yeah, I
Margie:can't like I think that the the like it's spinning and it's still like spinning out or something like that. And he almost hits her again and was like fuck, like lifts or legs or something. So the van doesn't let you hit her again. So Edward has saved her life. And she's like, How was that possible? You stopped a van with your bare hands. Like how did you do that? Um, after she gets treated by Carlisle actually at the hospital, she goes up to Edward is like what the fuck happens? Like, how did you do that? And he's like, let it go bitch, like Elsa that shit out. Let it go. You're talking about this? And she's like, I can't do because truth.
Rachel:God, I feel like he could have easily been like you hit your head. You have no idea what you're talking about him
Margie:does. He does say that. He's like, you hit your head. You don't know what you're talking about. She's like, I know what I saw. Like, so
Rachel:I just very stubborn. I said that, and then realized it was gaslighting. Now I'm sad.
Margie:He is he is he's he's definitely a whole boys. You're not in the wrong direction that's there. And he's kind of like, well, no one's ever gonna believe you. And she says it doesn't matter what other people think it matters that I know what happens like what the fuck was that? So she's more concerned about finding the truth than finding like then telling a bunch of people Edward has superpowers. Okay, here we go. Okay, um, after the accident, Bella, also, here's some local folklore from a certain Jacob Black. You could go to the board later. And he says, hey, the Colts might be vampires but like Nbd since they can come on our tribal reservation land that's outside of forks
Unknown:Wait Wait a minute.
Margie:Everything. We won't. We're already why.
Unknown:We're 30 minutes is
Rachel:fine. We had a lot of really good conversation in the beginning. I'm just confused. Where the fuck did he come from? Honestly, I totally forgot about him.
Margie:For Jacob Ortega. I know. Um, he Yeah, so like, and then so then she goes home because she's heard these stories. She's had this experience with Edward. And so she goes home and she Google searches vampires based on what Jacob has told her, but it doesn't really tell her much. Um, post accident begins a hot cold part of Bella and Edward's relationship. There's a ton of Edward saying, I like you. I really want to hang out with you. But I shouldn't be hanging out with you because it's not safe. But I like you and I want to be friends with you. And Bella being understandably annoyed with that answer as he's not really telling her anything. And then I just long after this, and there's like a lot of moments where they're like in the hallway having this very heated discussion or they're having lunch together. And they'll like get to a point in their conversation where they reach a peak and they're like, someone's got something's got to give like you're either going to tell me the truth about what you are and what you can do, or we're just going to be kind of like sitting here in limbo forever. You know?
Rachel:I I feel like so one hot and cold never okay, we've seen that so many freakin times in romance novels. It's terrible. Um, self loathing and brooding God. Over done. Um, but I'm still stuck on Jacob and our tribal reservation outside of the city. I'm because I, I just don't know if I'm having this sudden, sudden horrible epiphany of hey, hey, is this book racist? So
Margie:it's very racist. It's very, it's very racist. Yeah, well, it's very like a troll appropriation that Stephenie Meyer did not do well. She did not get like trying. Well at all. Um, And I think that since then, the only good news out of that was that they actually did hire Native American actors in the movies to play that was good but she didn't get the the the culture of the local tribes well at all like I don't think that she really did her research, but this is I did not do any research on that when I wrote these notes. This is just something that I have heard having been a Twilight fan, so Okay,
Rachel:that's fair. I guess my one question is I thought that all Native Americans were shapeshifting wolves.
Margie:Oh, that's well, Rachel. Oh my god.
Rachel:That's sets up the reason that the our Savior's the English had trouble when they came to colonize America. I don't understand. That was sarcasm.
Margie:So not long after the whole Accident Incident, the first incident Bella goes into Portland with a couple of girlfriends to go shopping. She splits off from her two friends never split the party U DUB bitch. And she ends up almost being assaulted. Oh, not in Portland important Anil Angeles, which is like a very kind of like a small touristy town on the coast. Thanks. Okay. Thankfully, boy is there to rescue again by nearly running like four to five men over with his Volvo.
Rachel:Okay. Okay. One a fucking Volvo Volvo really
Margie:a Volvo to,
Unknown:to
Rachel:how does this girl have such bad luck?
Margie:Actually, that is mentioned and commented on by Edward a lot in the book. So it's really funny. So that's part of a sense of humor that I like. He's like, okay, just rubble all the time. Like, I didn't think it was so hard to keep one person alive.
Rachel:Jesus Christ. And also, this is the I think the first time we really noticed the stalkery bits, huh?
Margie:Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Alright, so obviously in this too, if you want to watch any Siena Twilight movie, watch this one because it's just Robert Pattinson tried to look as menacing as possible and it's really buddy. I love Robert He's a great actor. That was a really funny sued. Sorry. So okay, Portland is over an hour away from forks and Edward had once again not been in school. So she's like, How the fuck did you know I was gonna be here in import Angeles, like you saying Portland. And Edward is like I sort of maybe a little bit, just the tip all of you to make sure you would be. Now Port Angeles is over an hour away from forks and Edward had once again not been in schools. So Bella's, like, how the fuck did you know I was gonna be here. And Edward is valid question is like I sort of maybe a little bit, just the tip followed you to make sure you would be safe. They go out to dinner together, he takes her to an Italian restaurant. And Bella is like more truth. I think you're hypothetically a vampire. And Edward is like you may hypothetically be right. And she's like, hypothetically, I think you can revise and he's like, hypothetically, you might you may be rights.
Unknown:Where did that come from? How does she know that one out of Gajan had been
Margie:guessing it over the course of the book because she noticed that conversations that she had had with other people he mentioned to her later. So it's just kind of inference.
Unknown:I mean, you know, right.
Margie:Exactly. Yeah, he can read that the here's the part of their relationship where Edward stops straight up lying to Bella and letting her know the truth. That yes, he is in fact, a bull rider excuse me, I vampire I cough I was really good.
Rachel:I was about to make a scathing remark about how that's an integral part of everyone's relationship where you stop lying to each other but yours is better. So
Margie:he does he tells her that excuse me, he said that she was a vampire he that he's a vampire. I coughed. Um, he tells her that although he's a vampire, he and the rest of his family only feast on animal blood. So hypothetically, she's safe. But later on in the book, he explains that her blood is like his perfect brand of heroin. So she smells like extra good to him. Okay, sure. Yes, he does. In fact sparkle like
Rachel:Julie got that good. Good. Heroin blood.
Margie:I love you're about to stop interrupting me.
Rachel:I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Margie:Yeah, and yes, he does sparkle like a bajillion diamonds when he's in the sun. He's also hard as a rock. Well, that's not a you know, that's not a euphemism his heart his body is literally hard as marble and cold. So so cold. I don't remember that part from he's literally like, he's literally like a living stone.
Rachel:I just like
Unknown:I'm trying to think about the only thing I can think of is she was trying to
Rachel:make some sort of reference to rigor mortis. Maybe
Margie:that's a good idea I hadn't considered I just figured it was some weird vampire shed thing.
Rachel:Because, like, physiologically that what is my new favorite thing that dog don't not right.
Unknown:It doesn't make sense. It doesn't.
Margie:He does, though. I did make a note in the book that he does flush like his skin does flush, which I'm like, that doesn't make any sense either.
Rachel:That implies okay. I seem to remember having never read it that there's a pregnancy. Oh, yeah,
Unknown:there's a pregnancy state. It
Rachel:doesn't can't happen. So
Margie:I got to the stick does get hard. So like not like kind of like, coyly say it. I wanted other flow there. Cuz she's like, You do find me attractive that way, don't you? And he's like, Yeah, I'm still a man. Don't worry.
Rachel:Here's the Okay, I have to I completely assume that this is how it works. Man. She's really hot. I want to be horny, excuse me, I have to go suck dry a deer so that I can get blood into my day,
Margie:actually, cuz I don't have any. Okay. So he doesn't sleep. That becomes important later, he never sleeps. And he's over 100 years old. So these are the things that we find out over the next couple days. So they he they both returned to school. And after she has her questions answered, he starts asking her a litany of questions. So Oh, and I forgot to mention that. With his mind reading thing, he conveniently cannot hear her mind. She's the only mind that that he cannot hear. He cannot read. Special special snowflakes. So when they read,
Rachel:I'm sure that you've read the books. Is that ever explained? No.
Margie:Not really. Yeah. Okay. So when, when they get returned to school, he's spending like every spare moment with her like they eat lunch to get eat lunch together. They meet each other in between classes. And he's just asked me like asking her a litany of questions from like, what's your favorite stone? To What's your flavor flour? Tell me about your mom, tell me about your dad. And I'm, obviously I'm already struggling with this relationship. It's just very strange. Even though you're kind of like, Stephanie does pull you in really, really well. But of course, she would be interesting to Edward. Because literally everybody else, he already knows everything about them, he can read their damn mind. So of course, she's going to be fascinating to him. Like,
Rachel:okay, I mean, that, that's fair, that makes sense. I'm really getting the vibe that she's gonna show up at his house, and he's gonna have an exact replica her bedroom.
Margie:It's, but at the same time, so you know, I'm sorry, gonna throw a bone. I do. Like the fact that they have these days together where they're just kind of getting to know one another. Um, it's not,
Rachel:that's fair, that isn't something you see don't
Margie:typically see that usually. And they do talk about it later how when they fell in love, it was very forceful, they were like, immediately attracted to one another felt like they didn't want to be without one another, you know, as you do when you're in love, you know, you kind of like, want to be in the same room all the time and all that stuff, but they but Stephanie puts in the time to write these days where they're just kind of getting to know one another, which I I appreciated. And also the conversations that they have shows Edwards sense of humor, which I also liked, because in the movie, patents in played him really self loathing like high on the self loathing, whereas in the books, Edward is funny. So it does make him a little bit more charming.
Rachel:I'll admit, okay, I'll admit that the thing that I remember most out of the book versus the movie is the movie. Right? So I feel like I feel like the movie there's a lot of that like oh god Edward really like he needs his own Scottish castle to just brood into the Emirates. Right? Right. So that's interesting. I cuz I don't I don't remember that. Part of the book. So that is actually kind of interesting. It's interesting,
Margie:and it's just nice. It's like, oh, okay, so there is actually there are things you could like about him. Because I feel like in the movie, there's just nothing to like about him other than this, like crazy protective instinct he has for Bella. Whereas in the book, you're kind of like, Oh, he's funny, and he's charming. And he's clever. And you know, so you're like, Okay, and this was me also coming to terms with I'm not disparaging on 16 year old me, so. Okay. I'm
Rachel:fair. But so I don't understand, though. Do you not enjoy people standing over you while you okay? We haven't
Margie:even gotten to that part. Rachel, come on. All right. So Edward invites her out the following weekend. She says yes, he advises that she may want to tell her friends slash family that he's going to be hanging out with her because it may be unsafe, she tells no one. He takes Yeah, I know. I know. It's great. But he takes her to the super special meadow that Twilight fans go nuts over. And that's so this is where the romantic relationship truly begins, like hand holding and kissing and all this stuff. And he has his moments of I'm super close to accidentally murdering you. But she makes it out of the metal alive. And they bond and talk and basically just commit themselves to one another forever. Who right? As you do and 17 as you do in 17 or 100 You know, sure that 17 Right. That night he stays the night with her knowing. So that's the first time he stays the night and she knows about it I'm good for him. Honesty is so important. Another relationship. So after Edwards stays that night, the next day, he's like, come meet my family at Bella's like cover the vampires. Let me just get my khaki skirt out and I'll be good to go.
Rachel:I would not be dead or or undead in a house full of vampires without my khaki skirt. How else am I gonna carry all this shit if I don't have that many pockets.
Margie:So Bella meets his family. Um, Edward introduces himself to Chief Swan Edward or Bella's dad. And the Cohens invite Bella to watch a game of baseball with the van with vampires.
Rachel:Fuck I remember this.
Margie:Yeah. And that's with the evil vampires arrive. Why the vampires? This is we're actually going to like speed speed round through the day because
Rachel:I get massive vibes of when you're a shark. You're a shark all the way like
Margie:yes, no, actually, I feel more like it's the other ones are the sharks of the colons or the Jets. Okay, all right. Yeah, yes, sir. straight laced. The colons are straight laced.
Rachel:Well, they're there, but they are about to bust out into a like, a retro gang, you know, snap battle, so
Margie:they don't fight though. They don't fight at this point. Oh, right. Yeah. So Lawrence noted. So one of the evil vampires Laurent notices Bella, and how protective Edward is of her. And he's like, yep, that's my next meal. Like lunchtime. Get wait. And so no, boy, you know, so the colons get Bella out of town safely. But it's not power powerful enough from Bella's martyrdom complex fellow walks right into Lawrence hands believing that she's saving the life of her mother. Luckily, the whole colon Coven arrived in time and managed to say Bella, Bella and Edward go to prom together at the end.
Rachel:Okay, I have thoughts. Day one. What's a high school novel if it doesn't end in prom? Season two so does like Lawrence threaten like be like I have your mom you have to come to Phoenix or whatever I know.
Margie:Right? So what happens we'll go a little bit more in depth is that they actually fly well they drive Bella to Phoenix to have Edwards siblings. They drive Bella to Phoenix to like throw Lauren off their scent basically like to make him think that she's gone somewhere else. And and so like she gets to go well, so she gets so they hang out at the they basically stay at the hotel airport. They airport hotel. And Edward is busy tracking Lauren with his father and his two other siblings. And Bella gets a call from who she thinks is her mom and Phoenix worried about her because she's like Charlie's like she just laughed and said that she was gonna go and see you. And so she gets a call belly gets a call from who she thinks is her mother. And then the Lauren on the line and Lauren says, I have your mom I'm gonna kill her get to this ballet studio. So Bella manages to run away from the two other vampires she's hanging out with. She goes to this ballet studio she finds out that thankfully Lauren doesn't have her mom more it just used like a video video that they that from from Bella's childhood home to like capture a sound of her mom. And and then he tortures her for a little while on camera for Edward Z later and then yes, and then Edward. Yeah. And then Edward comes, Edward saves the day with the his siblings and his parents. So she almost turns into a vampire. But he manages to suck all the blood with the venom in her hand out of her hand.
Rachel:You lost me not because like your description didn't make sense, but because that is dumb. Do shit.
Margie:It's it's a whirlwind. I mean, if you think about this viewer, it's definitely a whirlwind of a book like a lot happens in just one book. There's this romance. This girl moves to forks, like she finds this guy. He turns out to be a vampire. And she's chased by a vampire. Like, oh, what happens but in
Rachel:that in that last super quick, like end summary that we just went through? I feel like I have neither the time nor the Kranz to explain all of the fuckin plot holes. And wait a minute. I thought you said this. Yeah. That's why it's really it's this like,
Unknown:the fuck? Yeah, I was.
Rachel:I kind of until now.
Margie:Well, and also like, it's just, it seems like there were a lot of other options for Bella, then to you. Because like, even if, because obviously Lawrence said, Hey, if you bring your vampire boyfriend with you to save your mom, I'll kill your mom. So she felt like she couldn't go to vampire boyfriend. But like they were come on. You could have figured out something I still probably would have told vampire boyfriend when it happens. Like, hey, but they I think he has my mom, can we figure this out? Or like maybe you should just call the police to show up at the studio? I don't know. I don't know. Or tell them that. Like, I don't know, maybe not the police because he is a super strong vampire. But like figure out there's some other plan you could have come up with if you thought your mom was in danger.
Rachel:And also, like, how did was Lawrence tracking them? And that's how he just randomly showed up in Phoenix. Or Lawrence. So
Margie:he Lawrence, um, was kind of they were trying in Forks. They tried to corner Lauren Lauren basically. Okay, to hunt him down and kill him. But it didn't work. So he managed to get to he escaped and managed to get down to Phoenix and then did some just digging on Bella. Okay, that's what I got for that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you can kind of see like, I Yeah, the I think the, the beginning of the book is more important than the end. You know, so okay,
Rachel:the beginning. Makes more sense than the end. Yeah,
Margie:yeah. But that's also because I sped through the end because I was just kind of like, okay, let's just like finishes up because it's, yeah. Alright. So I am going to let I have a lot of post reading thoughts. So I'm okay. All right. Might get to this. My, yeah, let's get to those. I, the first few things that I have is I should have given 16 year old or younger merging more credit. I totally get where she was coming from. Edward is actually charming in the book. He has a good sense of humor, and he's handsome and considerate, and protective at 16. That's all you really want plus a whole ton of attention. And or at least I did and Edward checked all those boxes. Is it okay, that he sneaks into her room and watches her sleep? No. But I'm also not going to disparage my naive teenage self for falling in love with him. It could have been someone so much worse. Edward isn't great, but we definitely see some Moore's homeboys. For sure.
Rachel:Yeah. I am curious how, as someone who has never read the rest of the books, I am curious if not good behaviors continue and if as she gets older Are we are less like okay with I mean I'm not still not okay, that was I think it was reading this
Margie:Yeah, I think that that's very true I think that the behavior in the rest of the books does definitely get worse. I'm good. He becomes more controlling up until Book Three but remember he goes see peace out and book two so we don't see Edward a lot in Book Two that oh he pieces out yeah at the beginning of Book Two he's like I he breaks up with Bella. And she starts this whole personal quest of self destructive behavior. And that's when the whole thing with Jacob Black her friendship with Jacob Black who turns out to be a werewolf. Really, that's when that happens. So, but, um, if you if we're just going from the perspective of Twilight, yeah, let's, let's just stay there. Because if we if we go further, it's just going to be really, really confusing.
Rachel:Fair. I will say I want to go further at some point, because I don't know what happens in the other ones. And I really want to pick that motherfucker apart.
Margie:We'll have to, we'll see. You know what, maybe what we'll do is we'll see what listeners have to say. There's, I don't know if I want to go I really don't want to go back. I really don't want to go forward. But I will if listeners want me to I will make that sacrifice. So um, like I said earlier, I don't think Bella is a great example for teenage girls. Her self destructiveness is terrible. A lot of things at the end of this book could have been avoided if she just asked for help. Her self deprecation is also just super sad. And her depression is super sad. This girl needs counseling, she needs to talk somebody needs to talk to her mom about how she's feeling or just someone. She's just so negative about everything. I think that Stephanie was trying to make her sound more mature, but it really was just really sad. So I and I will also say that rereading this book made the movie even more hilarious, because it's so much worse than the book so much worse. Like, I like Robert Pattinson. I love him as an actor. I think he's a really funny human being. But he puts so much more self loathing into that role that was necessary. Edward did not hate himself much. That much in the book, and that just be facts. Like he doesn't he doesn't load himself that much. Okay. Um, but going back into Edwards character, I still don't really understand, Edward. The fact that an over 100 year old vampire would chase after a 17 year old girl is hugely problematic to me. And I just didn't get it. Particularly at the beginning of the book. I was really struggling with that. So I turned to my resident psychology expert, Lindsey for help who some of you remember from we had her in for an under the covers episode? Yeah. So she had two theories for Edwards behavior. Theory one, Edward actually isn't a creepo. At heart, he is struggling with an adjustment disorder slash identity crisis, he holds resentment towards being a vampire. So he goes to high school because it's the only sense of normalcy that he has ever felt. He sees some of himself in Bella, and he's envious of the life she is leading, hence, the initial pushing away. But then, but then accepts that if he turns her vampire forever, there's possibility that he could have this small sense of normalcy forever. He's stuck in this area of his development and has an unhealthy attachment with high school, perhaps he should apply for college and just see how it feels to move one step forward.
Rachel:So I have thoughts on that interesting. One. That's still, that is, I think, also hugely problematic in the, well, I could have her and she could be my normalcy, like, that's not okay. But also my one, I guess, argument against that is if he is 100, and whatever years old, then he would never have experienced High School as we think of it. So I don't know if maybe he's trying to latch on on what to what he has seen as normalcy for someone his quote unquote, age based on popular culture, maybe, or I don't know what I don't know. Maybe he just wants to be around people that are quote, unquote, his age, I don't know. Well, so
Margie:if if we're taking into account that when he changed, he was 17. Maybe mentally, he's never deviated from 17. That's true, because maybe that's old enough. You're not developed, you're not fully developed it your brain is not fully developed yet. So maybe, and maybe now because he's turned into a vampire. Maybe that part of his psychology cannot change because that's what he was when he was changed. He can't in a way he can't, he can't mentally go past that. So in a lot of ways,
Rachel:right to be 17 forever.
Margie:Right, right, right. Right. And it does a kind of in also like with his family relationship with his father and with with his mother as me. It is very much. He's technically older than me, but he she treats him like a son. So, um, you know, maybe that's also playing into the dynamic of I'm still 17 I'm still 17 I'm still 17 So I'm going to try to do the normal 17 year old things. Probably contributes to that a bit. But um, yeah, it's weird. But there's so she has a second theory. Okay. Theory to let's say Edward does in fact, consciously embrace his age and vampires situation. He goes, he goes to high school because he's a Heba file, or he files he files are adults that are attracted to children that have already gone through puberty. Thus he is hungry, or shall we say thirsty for 16 year old blood and or other parts. He continues to go to high school because with his physical appearance and Mystique, he's a magnet for an ideal image a teenage girl would search for and thus makes high school the perfect hunting ground. Who knows how many before Belen? How many may come after?
Unknown:Oh, yeah,
Rachel:yo, I hate that. I hate those words that you strung into sentences. Yeah. Oh, god.
Margie:No, right. Yeah, no. Yep. Yep. Yeah, so that was but I, it makes sense. But it was not as Yeah, it's bad. The whole thing that was not as bad as I thought it could be. So I'm taking that silver lining. Okay.
Rachel:I mean, that's fair. It's still not good. And it does get worse. But it isn't as bad as I it isn't as bad as I remember it being either. And again, to be fair, I have very vivid memories of the movie, and maybe not so much of the book. Because there's a lot of stuff that happened that I just might remember.
Margie:And that was the same as me. Yeah, it would be I was wondering for our people on our Discord book, Trunk Club channel, it might be fun to set up another channel for just one night and we could do a twilight. Oh, God, watch together because it's on Lord. So it would be really funny. So if any, I think I'm going to put that up on my channel, but if anybody's interested, let me know. Maybe we could do it like this weekend? That could be really fucking hilarious.
Rachel:I'm drinking.
Margie:No. All right, give me throw some throw some throw some rating criteria here.
Rachel:This does involve underage away but 17 This involves underage people, right? Yeah. No, I, I feel comfortable writing the overall book, but I don't necessarily feel comfortable going too deep into the other stuff. Because again, just a lot of psychology and also underage.
Margie:Right, right. Right. So okay, so can you throw it at me?
Rachel:Um, what I mean, how would you rate the overall book? Um,
Margie:I What, out of what to what again, I always forget. So
Rachel:since we're doing overall let's do zero to 10. But before you say you're reading let me say, without before you told me any of this. And if I'm reading just the movie, and my, when I was 16. After I finished reading this, I would have rated it at probably a two. So I'm really curious how your rating is and then I'll say what my rating my updated rating is.
Margie:See, I'm gonna give it a little higher than that. Because it was better than I thought. I'm gonna give it a 3.50 Okay, I
Rachel:was gonna get up right so yeah, great. Me. Still not good. Yeah, yeah, cuz it's still Oh,
Margie:it's not good. It's not good. But um, yeah, yeah. Oh, and yeah, I will give it a 3.5 Because it's not good. It's just not horrible. It's just not so bad that we can't write it and also the prose is really nice for that age group. It's fair you know, like the the descriptive the descriptive writing is really good. Um, yeah, that's all I got.
Rachel:I actually really pleasant. I don't necessarily want to say pleasantly surprised because again, I still don't like it but I am surprised at how much better it was than I remember.
Margie:Right? Yeah, that's how I that is 100% how I felt reading it however it's still felt like so long.
Rachel:Yeah. Oh, I will still bad never ever you know? Yeah.
Margie:Oh, I mean, I probably actually like I don't know if I'm gonna bash it just because I bashed myself for liking it for so long. I'm kind of tired of doing that you know, so um, yeah, yeah,
Rachel:let's finish this out. So I'm honestly I'm really glad that you went back and told me Ray told me about this because again, like I'm Yes, I'm surprised it's still not great. But I am surprised. So I'm like,
Unknown:I'm you know, What I'm feeling good,
Rachel:I'm feeling will I ever read the book from Edwards perspective? Probably not. But I feel much more mentally capable of tackling this.
Margie:Oh, oh God, there are points I remember in midnight sun where Bella has absolutely no idea that he's there. Like at one point in the book in midnight sun, she's reading in her backyard and she falls asleep and he's just watching her.
Rachel:That is horrifying.
Margie:Yeah, yep. Oh, it's great. Yeah. Listener. If you do read it, let us know. Yeah, please. Or if you have read it, if you have read it, write, um, please, please, please, to please write us a review.
Rachel:That'd be awesome. It helps ensure that, hey, write us a review. And yes, like stickers and shit that we can send you if you write us. Yes. So yeah,
Margie:if you write us a review, and tell us about it, somehow, slide into our DMS or send us an email or something like that. With your address, we'd be more than happy to send you some pretty boss.
Rachel:Margin stickers out what else were you reading? or consuming?
Margie:I actually so um, what was I reading? I just read something really interesting. Why isn't it coming to my mind? Oh, I've been reading some romance novels. Actually. Me and Rachel. were so obsessed with. I think it was Lisa clay passes who? Oh my god, that was so fun. Reb says I'm I actually just so and then on our Discord channel. We've been talking about a quart of roses friends are thorns in rounds of Thrones. So I started reading that. Yeah, it's something like that. I've started reading that. And I'm like, I'm okay with it. I don't know if I'm feeling it yet. But I'm gonna I'm gonna get through the first book. But what I'm really excited to read that I started reading last night very late was this book called Catherine the Great. And it's about Catherine the Great of Russia. And I'm like super excited. Yeah, the writing is really good so far. That's why I started that's so that's what me my parents have actually started watching the great on Hulu and we love it. So I just got that book from the library. So I'm really excited to read it to read about you.
Rachel:I love great. She has an amazing like figure of history. She's crazy.
Margie:He's awesome. Sounds awesome. I can't wait. So yes, that's what I've been reading. Nice. Well, hey, thank
Rachel:you guys so much for listening on this our special episode. And hey, we'll be back with normal content like two weeks from now we just technology is hard and I do it for a living so yes, fine. Right and Hey, thank you, Eleanor. You for the use of your song. Oh, love off the album be held. We still love you. You're still great.
Unknown:Um,
Rachel:I think that's just about it. Yeah. Hey, you guys. I hope you're hanging in there. And if you need anything, hit us up.
Margie:We're here. We love you. We
Rachel:love you. We love you more than Edward loves Bella
Margie:lobar