A Philly Artist Turns Trauma Into Abstract Acrylic Paintings

A paintbrush can be a turning point, and this conversation proves it. We sit down with Philadelphia based multidisciplinarian artist, writer, curator, and creative facilitator Ayana Viviana to unpack how neurographic art and abstract acrylic painting can pull buried emotions to the surface and turn them into meaning, color, and forward motion.

Ayana breaks down her neurographic art process in plain language: intuitive lines first, interpretation second. From there, we talk about what it really looks like to become a professional artist fast, including her early gallery experiences and the story behind her major sale, “Hire for Hire,” a piece that challenges us to “hire” our higher self instead of living on autopilot. If you care about emerging artists, pricing artwork, artist mindset, or building a sustainable creative practice, you will hear hard earned perspective without the fluff.

We also dig into community art in Philadelphia, from a City Hall exhibition tied to Hispanic Heritage Month to a residency with Tacony Lab Community Arts Center under Mural Arts, where phrases became multilingual banner messages meant to spark everyday acts of care. Ayana shares what it felt like to get the invitation to live paint at Roots Picnic, why photojournalism is really “the art of noticing,” and how her cultural writing took her to Trinidad for a story that stayed with her.

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Subscribe And Welcome

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Before we get started with this episode, I'm going to ask that you subscribe to our channel. In order for us to grow, we need subscribers and followers. So I'm going to give you a moment to hit that subscriber button and help us grow our channel. Thank you. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Listen to our podcast. And this is Al Neely. And today we have Aniana Viviana.

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Yes.

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And she's a Philadelphia-based multidisciplinarian artist, writer, curator, and creative facilitator. Say hello to everyone.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Hi, everyone. It's so good to be here.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Appreciate you coming on with us. So there's so many different things that I want to talk about. You are uh one of the things you're a Hispanic artist.

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I am.

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So um that comes across in in your post, in your work, and

What Neurographic Art Is

SPEAKER_02 1:15

just your your passion for the community. So you you guys, when you go to see our social media, you'll see all of those things. So tell me what's a neurographic artist?

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Yeah, I'll get that question so much. So neurographic art is this way of creating art that sort of invites your suppressed thoughts, emotions to come forward. And the process of neurographic art looks like drawing what appears to be random lines. You do, if you look at the, if you look at a lot of my artwork, they're like bold black lines. And I start those, I start every single piece with those lines, and I never know what's going to come out. It's a random, intuitive flow. And then as I study those lines, once the line is complete, which takes about maybe 30 seconds. It's the shortest part of the creative process. But once those lines are created, I look at them and I sort of intuit what it is that my psyche wants me to understand or see. And through that process, I give meaning to not only the piece, but also at times what's happening inside of me. Um, and so that's a little bit of the process of neurographic art. Um, it's a fairly new art genre. I think it was the term neurographic art was coined in 2014. So it's a pretty new style of art.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

Okay, that's awesome. Um you are a published writer, a photographer, and um I want to talk to you about some of the things that you actually do. So but

Becoming A Working Artist Fast

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first of all, before we get started, how long have you been? I guess you would be a professional artist. How long have you been you know babbling in that?

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Um, I have I actually fun fact, I just started painting, I started painting in 2022. So that's very new for me. Um, I would consider maybe 2023 uh when I started to exhibit in galleries and um I got my first corporate uh project and uh worked with mural arts. I would say 2023 was when I became a professional artist in the sense that I was working with, you know, in a professional capacity. Um so about three years now.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Oh, that's awesome. Um you had something happen to you very early in your your your career in terms of a piece that sold, right? Um you had been um painting for two years when that major piece sold, is that correct? Yes, yes, tell us about that that piece of art.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Yeah, so that oh go ahead. I'm sorry.

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Just tell us about the piece of art and how that came about.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

Yeah, for sure. So the piece is called Hire for Hire, and um the piece was exhibiting at Imperfect Gallery. Uh, and then I had a show the following month at No Name Gallery in Chestnut Hill. So I just decided to use that piece for that show as well. And I remember it was priced at $8,800. And I remember telling the gallery owner, I don't know, it's a little high. I don't know if I should price it at that, you know, high of a price point. And she said, well, it's gonna be up for two months. So leave it at the price that you actually want. And then if it doesn't sell the first month and you want to lower the price, you can. So I agreed and we we move forward with that. Um, but I got a call from her maybe two weeks after the show opened, and she said, Hey, what's the story of this piece? Because I have someone here in the gallery who can't stop staring at it. She wants to know what the story behind the piece is. So um she was like, Can you write something up for me and send it to me? So I was like, Yeah, absolutely. So the piece is called Hire for Hire because it really is an exploration of how our higher selves are asking us to hire, employ them, right? We um a lot of times just operate from like a lower as human beings, right? Because of the world that we exist in, we operate from like a lower vibration at times. And this piece really was an invitation to like consider the ways of our ancestors, to consider um the future that we're leaving behind for our children, like taking all of these things into consideration, and it asks us to operate from our highest selves. And I wrote that up a lot more eloquently than what I just described and sent it over to the gallery owner, and she texted me maybe like 30 minutes later, and she was like, She wants it. And I was just like amazed. Um, that was the you know, highest selling piece of my career at that point. Um, I mean, it still is. I haven't sold anything higher than that uh amount yet, but it's it was a beautiful experience and it was so validating because you know, I'm a I'm still I still consider myself like an emerging artist. I'm a new artist. I've I've not been doing this for, you know, I've only been doing it for about three and a half years now. And so to be validated in that way, um, and to have someone recognize the value and what I created, it really, it really confirmed for me that I was exactly where I needed to be, doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

That's awesome. That is that's amazing. Um, do you have any artwork at that gallery still?

SPEAKER_00 7:15

I don't. Um the last exhibition I had there was that one, and that was back in January of um of last year.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Okay. So you're you're an abstract artist. Is that what you like? Yeah, is that the medium you like to Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 7:31

I'm a I would consider myself abstract, like abstract neurographic artist. Um the my medium is acrylic. I normally work with acrylic paint. Um and I dabble with other things here and then. Like I just made a piece that is um collage, and that that was uh very well received when I showcased it. Um yeah, abstract artist for sure.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Where did your who would you say your inspiring uh artists were for uh what you're

Painting As A Lifeline

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doing?

SPEAKER_00 8:01

So there was this one artist. Um, when I first started to paint, uh, which was born from a really dark place, like my journey into painting really started from from probably the darkest place that I had ever been in in my life. And I I'll tell the story really quickly, but I was in a place where I just didn't want to be here anymore. And there were these consistent voices in my head that kept telling me that I was problematic and that if I just eliminated myself, there wouldn't be a problem. But a second voice told me to pick up a paintbrush and canvas. I chose to listen to that voice instead, but I didn't really know I had I have no formal, still I'm self-taught, so I have no formal training at all uh in the arts. And um I was just like, well, what can I do that feels accessible to me? And prior to that, I had been, I had discovered an artist called Queen Amina, and she was the person who sort of introduced me to neurographic art. Um, our styles are very different because we don't create in the same way, but I kind of used the premise of what I heard her describe neurographic art as, which was just kind of this free-flowing expression. And I said, Well, that seems easy enough. Let me try that. And through the colors that I used, through the markings that I made on that very first piece, um I began to like tell a story. And then I started to see the framework of how I could use art to tell stories that would connect with people, um, but that would also help me to sort of pull things out of myself and heal through a lot of the things that I had experienced in my life.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yes. Okay. So I'm glad you brought that up. Uh, one of the things that I like to do is talk about um people's life's journey because it's usually similar. And like you said, you were in a place where it was very dark and you were like thinking, um, do I have any value? And people don't realize that's fairly common for people to go through. So has first of all, has that inspired a lot of your work with the community that you've done? And then two, if it has, can you talk to us about a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_00 10:12

Yeah. So I um there's so many things. I I was a teenage mother, I was a victim of domestic violence. I went through a lot of really challenging things in my life. And I don't think that I, as a as a younger person, that I ever gave myself the space and the permission to process, you know, a lot of the traumas that I had experienced. So when I started to paint and create, um, these things began to sort of shape and form the work that I was creating. And I would say the first few years, like maybe the first year and a half of me creating really was just me creating for myself. I needed to, it was very cathartic. I needed to pull these things out. But what started to happen was I started to think, well, if I'm I'm sure that I'm not the only one that's experienced these things. And I see how useful and healing this art as a tool has been. And now, how can I take this thing and help others to do the same thing? And that's really the basis of like how a lot of the community work that I've done has started. Because what I do now, I absolutely do use art as a way of helping people to get in touch with themselves, parts of themselves that they've hidden away, not really wanted to confront. Um, maybe it's too difficult, maybe it's too heavy. Um, but through art, you know, I always say when I when I facilitate workshops, I always tell people we all live with things that we've we've experienced. And the energy of those things is very real. If we do not give those things somewhere to live outside of our bodies, it will create disease in the body. So for me, when I am putting hands on canvas, when I am putting brush strokes on canvas, that is me giving that energy somewhere else to live. I'm literally transferring it to that canvas so that it doesn't exist in my body and my body can be well. Um, so that is really one of the one of the things that I enjoy the most about where artistry has led me because I've always been service-minded. I really enjoy um just helping people and using my own experiences as um a framework for and how I've gotten through them as a framework for how um to help others do the same. So art has has become that for me in a really, really beautiful way. Um, where it's not just for me, it's for other people as well.

Honoring Philly Hispanic Heritage

SPEAKER_02 12:45

That's awesome. Um, one of the things I've noticed is that you did receive a citation. So let's talk about a little bit of since we're talking a little about the community, talk about a little bit of your community work. So you received a citation uh from the city of Philadelphia.

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I did.

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And you can go to your IG and see you standing right in the center of um City Hall. So it's open if y'all haven't been there. So talk about that. Um what was that for and how did it come about?

SPEAKER_00 13:17

So the citation was actually for an exhibition that I did in City Hall uh last September for Hispanic Heritage Month. The theme was uh from 215 con mucho mucho amor, which means with lots and lots of love. And all of the artwork that was displayed uh at that exhibition was showcasing Hispanic artists from Philadelphia who had love stories that related to where they were from, their community. And so the piece that I showed in that exhibition was called El Bloque de Oro, which uh translates to the block of gold. But there's um you're from Philly, so you know there's a on like on Fifth Street, there is a like central corridor called El Bloque de Oro. And if you look at the sidewalk, they have these like yellow curved lines that go through them. I think it's from like fifth in Lehigh to maybe fifth in Indiana, I want to say. And um, that's that's that area is heavily populated by you know Puerto Rican, Latin people. And um, I really wanted to pay homage to like honor the the culture, my grandparents, um, all of the things that that neighborhood, because I grew up in that neighborhood, and I really wanted to just honor the where I come from, you know, what what I consider home. And so the artists who were part of that exhibition did receive, you know, citations from from City of Philadelphia. And I was fortunate to be, you know, one of the few artists in that exhibition. So it was a really special experience. Um, I still need to frame my citations.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yeah. Yeah, I was there a few weeks ago and I actually went through the neighborhood and I was just amazed of the amount of murals and just art was down there. And I think when I left, it wasn't like that. It's just um I just thought it was just amazing. But uh Philadelphia is known for its murals,

Tacony Lab Residency And Banner Messages

SPEAKER_02 15:20

its murals. Yeah, yeah. So um talk about since we're talking about the community, talk about the Talcone uh Community Development Corporation and uh what you were doing with that.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Yeah, so in 2024, I applied to be the resident artist at the Tacone Lab Community Arts Center. And um I was chosen out of I believe 36 applicants, but the the question was.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

How long have you been been you've been, I'm sorry to interrupt you. How long have you been painting since then? That on that time?

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Oh how long had I been painting when I did that? Yeah, not even. Um, probably about a year and a half. So um, yeah, I I've I've been really fortunate, blessed really, in in how things have kind of unfolded, which is how I know that like this is this is what I'm supposed to be doing. But to go back to that question, so I had applied to be the resident artist, and it was a three-month residency at the lab, um, at the Taconi Lab. And it was Taconi Lab is under the umbrella of Mural Arts, and uh they were looking for an artist who could create and design banners that would live along a one-mile corridor stretch on Torsdale Avenue. And um I applied, you know, I had I had no idea whether I was gonna get it or not, but when I got the email that I had been awarded the residency, I was so excited, so grateful. And so then the work began. I started my residency in August. Yeah, it was in August. And um what I did essentially was I would go to the lab twice a week and I would just spend time with the people who frequented the space. The lab, the community, the Taconi, the Taconi lab is a place where community members can come in. They can access arts programming for free. Uh, they have workshops, classes, they teach you how to sew, how to quilt, how to crochet. I mean, almost anything other than pottery that you want to do, collage, paint, um is available and it's also free, which is really beautiful because you know, there's so much uh arts programming that comes with a cost attached. And so for community members to be able to come in and not have to worry about where they're gonna get their supplies from, how they're going to learn this skill, it's a really beautiful resource. Uh and so I just started to spend time in the lab and get to know, you know, the community members. And then I hosted a few workshops where together with the community, we created the phrases that would live. So the project that I that I um proposed for my residency in the application was I want to create a series of banners that have like calls to action. So something like compliment the next person you see, right? Because I'm I'm really big on just spreading love, being love, and like having people connect with each other, with themselves and with each other. And so um the proposal was that I would create my my abstract artwork, but above it or on top of it, I would impose language and words that would convey messages that would be calls to action. So we did that. We ended up um with the community, we developed 14 um, no, it was 17 actually 17 different phrases, and we translated them into 14 different languages so that the entire demographic of people who live in that area could see themselves properly reflected in the work and they could understand and receive the messages, whether it was Vietnamese or, you know, um we have Portuguese, we had English and Spanish, of course, we had um Creole, I mean, we had Italian, French, um, we had 14 different languages. And so it was such a beautiful project to see um the culmination of because now, you know, anytime I ride by Torresdale Avenue, it's like I'm seeing these banners, I'm seeing the messages. Um, but that was a really that was probably one of my first like introductions to working with the community in that way, and it really opened so many doors and in a really beautiful way.

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Why Diversity Requires Connection

SPEAKER_02 20:37

How is it how important is it that we um we reach out to other people in the communities that we're living with that may have different um ethnic backgrounds and diversity?

SPEAKER_00 20:55

I think it's incredibly important. I think it's important for us to understand that we are more alike than we are different. You know, our our humanity is the the, you know, in theater there's a thing called like the red thread, where it's which is like the the theme that kind of weaves throughout everything that's being done. And I think that our humanity is our red thread. And the more that we understand that what we do to our brother and sister, we do to ourselves, the more, the more that challenges us to treat other people and to and to um interact with people in a way that uplifts them. When I, you know, am angry or rude or insensitive to another human being, I'm really doing that to myself. And so having that mindset for me is really important. Um, I think I think we need to understand how much we need each other and how, you know, we do there are differences in our ethnicities and you know, like our culture, but I think that those. Differences can be celebrated and appreciated while at the same time we can look at the thing that unites us, right? Regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, right? And so there can be celebration and acknowledgement and recognition of you know your culture and your your heritage, um, but then also understand that regardless of that, we're all one.

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Yeah.

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That's one of the things that I think I've taken with me from um being raised and growing up in Philadelphia. That um it's always I've had the experience of learning about someone else's culture other than mine, and I've embraced that and I've carrying it with me all my life. So um uh excellent for Philly. Um, and speaking

Live Painting At Roots Picnic

SPEAKER_02 22:50

of Philadelphia, um there was a um this past weekend had the roots commentary, right? And and that's grown to be uh tremendous event every year. You had an opportunity to um paint, live paint. I did tell us about it.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

So earlier this year, I had been talking to someone and I was telling them how I really wanted to be a part of the roots picking. They have they have this uh art exhibition every year, and I was like, I really want to be a part of this. Um, and so I kind of just put it out there that I was gonna do it, but it the time kept getting closer and closer, and I was like, I'm not getting any interest. I don't, I didn't know how to you know reach out to the right people, or I guess I didn't know the right people to reach out to in order to be a part of it. So I just kind of decided maybe it's just not gonna happen this year. But on Thursday, I was at my son's college graduation and I got an email from Mural Arts inviting me to live paint at the Roots Picnic. And so thank you. Thank you. Um so I was I was literally watching my son like in line to get his degree, and I got the email and I was like, oh my God, and I've my daughter's with me, and I'm like, look at this. And so I was like, okay, I can't think about this right now, but I'm gonna come back to this later. But that was Thursday, and they were literally asking us to come the next day, Friday, to set everything up. So it was very last minute, but it felt like this really beautiful moment in the same way that I mentioned earlier with that other piece that sold, it was very affirming for me of whatever I set my mind to and sort of determined that is going to happen for me, even if it looks like it's not, it's going to happen.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Yeah.

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So um, and the experience itself was incredible. The Ruth Picnic is, it was actually my first time being there, but it's so um, it's just so vibrant and the people are everyone is so happy. And um, I had a lot of really great conversations. Um, I was able to make two really beautiful pieces um that I'm actually gonna be exhibiting um next weekend uh at an art gallery in West Philly. But yeah, I'm I'm really grateful for the opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Yeah, it sounds um sounds like it was very interesting. So I've been trying to get to one, but my schedule just doesn't seem to evolve

Photography And The Art Of Noticing

SPEAKER_02 25:22

the year. Uh one of the things I wanted to talk to you about is you're a photo journalist.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Okay. What is a photojournalist? And tell us what is it that um um has been most memorable as far as you photographing.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Yeah. I would consider myself I would consider myself a photojournalist, but it's more of a hobby than like a career or something that I get paid for. I do get paid for photography gigs, but the thing is that for me, photography is one of those things that needs to be, it needs to flow. I need to be able to have creative control and freedom. And when you photograph events or portraiture um people, there's an expectation. And with that expectation comes pressure that I don't enjoy as a photographer. So for me, my photojournalism really is more about capturing like the beauty in everyday life. And a photojournalist is just someone who sort of documents and tells stories through photography. Uh, and so I do that. And it's it's a lot of it is just my own personal interpretation. One of the things that I love taking photos of is nature. Um, I'm very connected to everything that is living and alive, and um I love being in green spaces and capturing little intricate, nuanced details of things. Um, I think that our world is designed for us to constantly be on the go. And so, as a photographer, one of the things that I really enjoy is just slowing down and almost like the art of noticing, like the art of noticing this little tiny detail that if you're moving too quickly, you're gonna miss it. Um, and and through my photography work, I invite people to do the same thing, to take a moment and just slow down and either notice the world around them and capture it in their own way, or you know, to engage with the the photos that I take and to you know slow down enough to appreciate whatever that beauty is. But I think when we when we pause to appreciate beauty, when we take our time to recognize how much how much beautiful, how many beautiful things there are in the world around us, it just it enriches our lives. And so I try to be very intentional about that.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

Yeah, I'll agree. Um, you also have written, you're a published writer, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:54

Yeah, yeah.

Writing Life Culture And Trinidad

SPEAKER_00 27:55

So my writing is I've I've done um cultural like journalism. I I I write for uh a publication called Brown Style Magazine. And um my first time writing with them was back in September of 2024, where they sent me to Trinidad for a few days to do like a press trip. And that was really my first opportunity as a writer. I've been writing is something that I've been doing since I was a little girl. That's the thing that's been with me for the longest. But a lot of that has just been personal, right? Like journaling, short stories, but nothing that I ever did anything with. It was just for me and to process um, because I've always processed a lot of my life through journaling. But in September of 2024, Brown Style asked me to visit Trinidad and to write about it. And I I struggled a little bit with like imposter syndrome, like, am I really? But um the the press company loved it, and I ended up getting more opportunities to cover different events, you know, locally. And so um, even including the uh the Philadelphia Art Museum, they invited me to uh cover some events for them as well. I've covered um I've covered like an exhibition opening as well as their annual artish event, and um, those were really beautiful opportunities to to just write about art and culture in that way. Um I am working, I also uh wrote for the newsletter of uh the Village of Arts and Humanities. I was writing stories for their uh monthly newsletter, and I wrote one about a uh library here in Philly in the neighborhood that I grew up in and the woman who the library was named after. And that was a really fun explorer exploratory um project because I learned a lot about her and her um her story. She's passed she passed away in 2005. I was able to talk to her daughter, and um it you know and that library has so much like personal significance to me because I, you know, I'm an avid reader, and um, so yeah, I've I've I've had the opportunity to work on a lot of really cool projects with writing, and I'm looking forward to doing more writing and maybe even you know, this year one of my goals is to publish something personal. Um, that I I've been putting together this manuscript. Um, so we'll see, we'll see where that goes.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Um, I know you were saying that um you're written someplace that you love Trinidad, and the magazine that you're writing for sent you there.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

What what did you enjoy most about Trinidad?

SPEAKER_01 30:30

So one the the food. Okay, all right, that's always good.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

Incredible. Um but there was this one place that we went to called the Coroni Bird Sanctuary, and it's this place where um the national bird of Trinidad um lives in the wild, but there's a family who sort of um stewards the land where these birds are, and they took us on this boat tour and we had dinner on the boat. It was such a beautiful experience, but hearing about um the the guy who took us on the tour was called Lester, and I forget his last name at the moment, but he was telling us the story of how his grandfather was literally killed protecting this land. Um, there were people who really wanted the birds because they were valuable, and there were parts of the birds that they could like sell on the black market. I forget the the fullness of the story, but they um his grandfather was not allowing them to come and you know and poach, and he ended up being killed for it. And so just to know, like, you know, that family has experienced so much trauma, like as a result of sewarding the land, but they're still faithful in doing it, which was just such a beautiful thing to me. Like, you know, I think for a lesser family or or or lesser person, it it would have been like, you know, what this is the stakes for this are too high. I'm gonna just step away from this. But it doubled, like it made them even more committed to protecting that land. And there was just something so serene and peaceful about being on the water, in the boat, having dinner, watching the birds um at you know sunset. It was it was the the top experience that I had there really.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

Awesome. That sounds great. So, how can we

Protecting Nature At Caroni Sanctuary

SPEAKER_02 32:20

find you? Uh, what what platforms are you on?

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Mostly Instagram. I'm not really uh I have a TikTok, but I'm not really on there. Um, but I'm I'm on Instagram. Um, you can find me on my website. It's ayanaviviana.com. On Instagram, I'm Ayana Viviana. Um, and it's my first name is spelled A-Y-I-A-N-A, and then Viviana, which is my middle name, is V-I-V-I-A-N-A. And so that dot com or on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Gotcha. All right. So um tell us what um exhibits you have coming up. And where can we find those, the information for those exhibits?

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yeah, absolutely. So I have one coming up uh that opens on June 13th at the Urban Art Gallery. Um, that is going to be uh it's the Caribbean's Creative Uh exhibition, and this is an annual exhibition that just highlights uh creatives from the Caribbean, and so I'll be representing Puerto Rico. And um the opening is on the 13th from 6 to 9 p.m. You can find information on that on my page, or you can go to urban artgallery.com, I believe, or you can look up Urban Art Gallery online uh on Instagram. Um and then I also have an exhibition opening. Uh, well, the artwork is already up, but there is this initiative um that Philly is doing for the 250th anniversary uh that um has opened this art space on Market Street. It's on 9th and Market in between 8th and 9th, and it's called the Love Lab. And so I currently have work up there, but we'll be having an artist talk back and opening reception for my artwork on the 27th of June. And that information, um, just stay tuned to my Instagram. We haven't actually posted anything, but there will be some information on that as well as an RSVP. Um, I do have another really, really exciting project that unfortunately I can't talk about yet. But that's coming, it's in the works.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Okay, so I would imagine these um these galleries they have websites. So it would it be possible to purchase your art to see if we'll find it on the websites and then purchase it from there.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

I'm not sure if Urban Art Gallery has the work on their website because they I haven't even submitted the work to them yet. So perhaps during the month that the work will be exhibiting, it will be because I know last year there were some uh links to the website where I believe you could purchase it, but um I'm not entirely

Where To Find Ayana And Shows

SPEAKER_00 35:05

sure. For the Love Lab, um that is an in-person thing. But if anyone is interested in any of the pieces that are in the love lab or any other you know work, they can always reach out to me either through the contact form on my website or you know through DM or email.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

Okay, that's what I was looking for. Okay. Well, I appreciate you coming in and uh not coming in, but uh coming on and talking with us for us to do this video. And um I thank you very much. The next time I'm up there, I'm gonna go by and see um if I can find some of your work.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

Yes, I'm sure it'll be somewhere. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

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