S01E05- Timaree Schmit and the Secret of George's "Keep In Shape" Grapefruit

Welcome to the show that turns obscure recipes into awesome conversations, Cookbook Obscura! This week, the gang welcomes Dr. Timaree Schmit to embark on the Secret of George's "Keep In Shape" Grapefruit. In this one, we all pop our broiling cherries, talk controlled chaos and Hot Ones, and try to figure out what a spatula is.

Sexologist Dr. Timaree is an educator, writer and consultant in Human Sexuality, and she believes that sexual freedom is the foundation of social justice.  She is the co-host of the long-running Philly favorite sex education/comedy show DTF: Darryl & Timaree Fun Hour and was the long-time LGBT Affairs and Sexuality contributing writer for Philly Weekly. 

Nominated for Philly Geek Award as Geek of the Year, Dr. Timaree is committed to sharing factual, sex-positive information from an intersectional, body-positive, feminist perspective.

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The Cookbook Obscura Podcast
Season 01
Episode 05
Timaree Schmit and the Secret of George's "Keep In Shape" Grapefruit

[MUSIC INTRO PLAYS]

Shannon DeVido  
Welcome to the show that turns obscure recipes into awesome conversations... Cookbook Obscura! Do you like smart women, boilers, and Welch's Fruit Snacks? Well, then you are in for a treat. Because this week the kitchen staff welcomes Dr. Timaree. Dr. Timaree is an educator, writer, consultant in human sexuality, and just all around cool, cool person. Hey, you want more weird recipes in your life? Don't forget to hit that subscribe button and share this show with your friends. Want to see we're eating? Good. Check out our YouTube channel for the complete video of this episode as well as our Instagram for the recipe and behind the scenes clips. And now... let's eat!

Ralph Andracchio  
Two shakes of a lamb's tail.

Aubrie Williams  
Ah, yes.

Shannon DeVido  
How did - how do you think that came to be?

Aubrie Williams  
Two shakes of a lamb's tail?

Ralph Andracchio  
Do lambs keep time? Well? I don't know.

Aubrie Williams  
Probably on a farm. It probably originated on like a farm. Right? 

Ralph Andracchio  
Right it had to. 

Aubrie Williams  
That's how you measure time on a farm maybe? I don't know.

Ralph Andracchio  
I grew up on a farm and we just used watches and clocks but you know... 

Aubrie Williams  
Probably more efficient. Because who knows how long a shake of a lamb's tale is except for the guy who created that phrase.

Ralph Andracchio  
It's kind of like just Imperial measurements. at all at all. Like I just saw a bigger chart of what like inches and feet and yards and all that stuff like all the offshoots of it like thumb and like a quince or like a you know, a smidge or like these are all like weird names for stuff that actually exists. We're the only country that uses any of it. 

Shannon DeVido  
Of course we are 

Ralph Andracchio  
I'll link to it I'll find it and I'll link to it because it's it's fascinating how many weird made up units of measure that that branch off of feet and inches that nobody else in the world knows they don't care it's like centimeters, millimeters, kilometers Great. That's all we have. That's all we need. We don't need a thumb like the Kings thumb. 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Is unit of measurement. Yeah. Oh my god.

Aubrie Williams  
Wow. The things that exist, like the Nancy Drew cookbook,

Ralph Andracchio  
Bring it - bringing it back to why we're here today. 

Aubrie Williams  
All antiquated for sure. We're we should put our put our Zoom on like black and white.

Ralph Andracchio  
Well, or the the the recipe today I think we would do neon 80s colors because this is very much like...

Aubrie Williams  
it is very vibrant because we got the great fruit we got some Marachino Cherries, we got a little blackened top of the grapefruit

Ralph Andracchio  
Mine didn't get blackened but I was watching it like a hawk.

Aubrie Williams  
Mine certainly didn't -

Ralph Andracchio  
Your cherry fell out. 

Aubrie Williams  
Oh no a cherry, cherry down. 

Shannon DeVido  
Sounds like a personal problem.

Ralph Andracchio  
All right. So let's introduce our guest so we can - because I really want to get into this and talk. There's so much I want to talk about. Our guest today... sexologist, writer, consultant in human sexuality. co host of the long running Philly favorite sex education/comedy show DTF: The Darryl and Timaree Fun Hour. I know it I love it. They're both amazing. I'm so glad that she's here tonight. She's been nominated for Philly Geek Award as Geek of the Year. She's committed to sharing factual, sex positive information from an intersectional, body positive, feminist perspective. All amazing things. I'm so glad she's here. Folks, welcome to the show. Dr. Timaree is here. This is a big get. This is a huge get. Welcome to the show.

Aubrie Williams  
The outfit is I feel so underdressed. We need to step up our game

Dr. Timaree  
This recipe lent itself to this like Desperate Housewife fashion. So I was like definitely need to have this like needlessly fringy house coat on while we do this. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Why - why grapefruit? Why does - why did people settle on grapefruit as like the healthy thing to eat?

Dr. Timaree  
It's just low calorie. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Oh really?

Aubrie Williams  
Until you put butter, sugar, and cinnamon.

Dr. Timaree  
Celery is just depressing. Like the only the only way to eat celery is just to actually eat peanut butter. Like just a it's just a utensil. It's not an actual food

Aubrie Williams  
Exactly. Because it tastes like water or air or a mixture of both. And then you can also do cream cheese... Ants on a Log. Did you ever do that when you were young? So when we were like in grade school we had to like make healthy recipes. And so we put - "healthy" - we put cream cheese on stalks of celery and you put little raisins down it like ants on a log. Doesn't look like a log, don't look like ants. I'm from Delco so it's like...

Dr. Timaree  
Celery doesn't have a lot of like nutritional value either. It's mostly just water and like kind of fiber but like not even nearly as good of fiber as like broccoli. So you'd be better off with like a broccoli and cheese.

Aubrie Williams  
It was like the early 90s I don't think they knew what was.. 

Dr. Timaree  
I mean look at the fashion.

Ralph Andracchio  
I'm a sucker for broccoli and stuff. Broccoli - Chicken - Does chicken alfredo come with broccoli sometimes? Ah it's so good.

Aubrie Williams  
I love - I love broccoli and a little - just dip it in ranch.

Ralph Andracchio  
Shannon, do you like broccoli at all? 

Shannon DeVido  
No.

Aubrie Williams  
Shocker.

Shannon DeVido  
It's just a tiny tree. Why do I want to eat a tiny tree?

Dr. Timaree  
It's a little - it's a little broom for your colon.

Ralph Andracchio  
Aw, oh yeah.

Shannon DeVido  
That's adorable. I kind of want to eat it but I also don't.

Dr. Timaree  
It's full of like calcium. It's full of like - it's got a bunch of stuff and like as a vegetarian, there's a lot of vegetables that actually have a ton of protein and get like don't get nearly enough credit for it. 

Shannon DeVido  
Like what? 

Dr. Timaree  
Well I mean like broccoli is one of those examples and of course legumes is like the thing that people usually tend to think of but like yeah, like broccoli, so flippin good for you and like, I also learned that it is a northeast thing to put broccoli on pizza like apparently that's not a thing everywhere. 

Shannon DeVido  
Well, in fairness, good pizza is not a good thing - it's not a thing everywhere.

Aubrie Williams  
Not wrong, you're not wrong.

Dr. Timaree  
That's very true. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Yeah, broccoli is delicious on pizza. I love it.

Aubrie Williams  
I feel like they put it on a veggie pizza around here. You get broccoli most of the time but it's usually like spinach.

Ralph Andracchio  
So should we dive right into the recipe?

Aubrie Williams  
Oh yes. Today we have George's "Keep In Shape" Grapefruit. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Air quotes. 

Aubrie Williams  
Our ingredients are one grapefruit, butter, one tablespoon sugar, a quarter teaspoon cinnamon, and maraschino cherries. And like many of these, they don't tell you how much to use of some things and you just have to guess.

Ralph Andracchio  
Just wingin' it. Timaree, were there any unexpected pitfalls that you encountered making the recipe?

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah, so I picked this because it was like very few ingredients and yet it took many stores to go to to get all of it. And like I also realized like I'm not the kind of person who just like has sugar at my house that I was like I found some Stevia. So I'm like that's kind of the same. And I also don't understand how broiling works.

Ralph Andracchio  
No not not a thing that a lot of people do. Broil. No, I mean it's it's a thing like in restaurants because they're set up for it. But I don't think the normal household is like "we broil all the time."

Aubrie Williams  
It's a hazard, almost, because my like - my oven had steam coming off the top and I was like oh no I'm gonna set my house on fire because of the Nancy Drew Cookbook like - 

Dr. Timaree  
I'm worried about your your your stove and your oven situation.

Aubrie Williams  
You know what? It feels like - that's not abnormal though because the top rack like gets - it heats the top of the oven. Because it's a new it's like the electric oven. So it makes sense that the temperature has to kind of expand a little so it doesn't like... I don't know, combust I don't know what ovens do.

Ralph Andracchio  
We were thinking like pineapple like you'd think some some fruits are - lend themselves nicely to broiling or grilling, you know. Pineapple? Wonderful. You know, grapefruit? I don't - I don't Yeah, I don't know. Mine turned out okay. Grapefruit holds heats very well. Mine were hot for a long time.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, mine are gettin' room temp right now but one of mine broiled very - 

Dr. Timaree  
That looks lovely. 

Aubrie Williams  
Thank you. Thank you. And then I realized the other one's kind of leaking juice on the plate. So yeah. 

Ralph Andracchio  
These are full of - I made, I plated mine really nicely.

Dr. Timaree  
Lovely 

Shannon DeVido  
You put it back in the rind. That's so cute.

Ralph Andracchio  
I never took it out. Were we supposed to take it out of the rind? 

Dr. Timaree  
I didn't either. 

Shannon DeVido  
Oh, aren't you supposed to? 

Aubrie Williams  
In the recipe it did say - it said... 

Dr. Timaree  
I didn't understand the instructions. It was like remove it like to separate it from the skin and I was like cool. So I like cut it and then but I didn't understand the concept of scoop it out also because that wasn't spelled out for me.

Ralph Andracchio  
That's what I did. I separated but I kept it in the rind.

Aubrie Williams  
But that's the fun of this thing. Like we all get different variations and I - There's no wrong answer here. This was also very weird to cut the skin off but like it doesn't look good and I'm gonna be eating like a lot of weird like chunks of half-skin - oh no maraschino cherry down. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Cherries keep falling out. 

Aubrie Williams  
Oh, no, I don't know where it went. As long as it's not like under my body. Where did it go? Okay, that's fair. I'll find.it

Ralph Andracchio  
My - all my memories of grapefruit are very like tart and not... I just I personally do not enjoy grapefruit because the taste of it is too it's too much. So I'm hoping this changes my mind about grapefruit.

Dr. Timaree  
So this is the first grapefruit I've ever eaten like I bag with grapefruit like right now I'm drinking this drink called the Fire Ant that a Flirt Vonnegut made for me, and it's got grapefruit juice, it's got Cointreau. It's got gin and it's got Tabasco and a little bit of lime juice. So I've got a little bit of grapefruit over here, but this is the first one I've ever eaten. Like that's not...

Aubrie Williams  
Okay. 

Dr. Timaree  
Not a thing I've ever done.

Ralph Andracchio  
We will - we will link that whole recipe in the show notes. So if anybody wants to make one to go along with your grapefruit,

Aubrie Williams  
Boozy brunch for your Keep In Shape Grapefruit.

Ralph Andracchio  
Oh wait before we dig in I wanted to throw it to Shannon because she's once again not eating what we're eating because she's smart.

Shannon DeVido  
Oh yeah. Thank you so much for asking. This segment is called "Shannon is the Worst Cook of All Time." Okay, so, um, I today I'm eating Welch's Fruit Snacks. Welch's... the only fruit snack you should eat. Please sponsor us. I. Okay, I was trying to think of a recipe that I screwed up and I... so I was trying to make cookies. This happens a lot, because I like cookies. And so I had I was told to warm up the butter. And so I put it in a little container... and I've seen my mom do this a lot of time so I was like, no problem. And so I put it in the microwave for two and a half minutes. And it became very liquefied and then I put it into the into the cookies and they did not rise. And so I'm not allowed near butter anymore. So that's why I'm not making today's recipe. 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, it called for dots of butter. So your... your exempt.

Ralph Andracchio  
Again one of those weird measurements in America... just a dot of butter. What does that mean? I don't have a spoon that says "dot" on it. 

Dr. Timaree  
That's so Midwestern

Aubrie Williams  
Is it Midwestern? Yeah, 

Dr. Timaree  
I'm just guessing. 

Aubrie Williams  
That's so funny. Because butter is like square. You know? I was like what? 

Dr. Timaree  
I also didn't have butter. So it was like - margarine?

Shannon DeVido  
I mean, it's basically butter. And you can't believe it's not but it is.

Aubrie Williams  
Well done. 

Shannon DeVido  
Thank you. 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, anything goes with the Nancy Drew Cookbook. A) We don't know how most of this exists. Let's get crazy. You know?

Shannon DeVido  
Good luck, guys. I wish you all the best 

Aubrie Williams  
Shall we? 

Dr. Timaree  
Is this happening now? 

Shannon DeVido  
Oh, lemme get my fruit snacks.

Aubrie Williams  
So I have a fork and a knife but I think I'm just gonna go right in. I think I was just gonna...

Ralph Andracchio  
I have my spoon. Yeah. 

Aubrie Williams  
Pop it 

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah I'm basically using the skin as the bowl 

Aubrie Williams  
The bowl? Nice.

Dr. Timaree  
This is a soup. This is a juice soup. I also learned maraschino cherries not real fucking grade for you. So... 

Aubrie Williams  
Oh great. 

Dr. Timaree  
They have no nutritional value. 

Aubrie Williams  
Ooh, this actually... Oh, really? 

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah, they're like just flavor and stuff to put in your drinks.

Aubrie Williams  
They're super high sugar too, right? They're like not healthy one iota. 

Dr. Timaree  
All right, well, this is heavy stevia and cinnamon.

Aubrie Williams  
So I got a big note of cinnamon and then I tasted the grapefruit so hard that like my brain can't compute the two flavors together.

Ralph Andracchio  
Yeah, they're they're not combining at all. The grapefruit is very much fighting against everything else. It's not bad though.

Aubrie Williams  
It's not awful. 

Ralph Andracchio  
It's not awful.

Dr. Timaree  
You put an alcohol in this? 

Aubrie Williams  
Oh yeah. 

Dr. Timaree  
People would drink it.

Aubrie Williams  
Soak it in like some vodka like when you put it in a watermelon? Yeah, not a bad...

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah, if you did all of this and then you filled it up with like a vodka or gin or something like a clear liquor and then maybe maybe put it in the freezer? 

Aubrie Williams  
Ooh

Dr. Timaree  
Is that crazy? What would happen?

Aubrie Williams  
No. So that's like funny you should mention that. So like when you said it was a juice soup. A lot of the recipes in here are called like salads and they're not salads. And a lot of fruit in the freezer in this one. So we should try it. We should do a variation for the for the Patreon listeners. We should try to do alcoholic juice soup version.

Ralph Andracchio  
One summer, I made jello shots but I made them in like I cut oranges in half and then scooped out so it just a rind like a bowl. Put the jello - orange jello shots in the rinds, let them set and then I took them out and cut them. So instead of having little cups for your shot, you just take a slice of orange and put that in your mouth. And it's biodegradable, no cups, you can just throw the rind out and you get your shot of whatever your alcohol of choice is.

Aubrie Williams  
Oh my god. So good for the environment. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Yeah, Loved it. 

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah, it's not terrible. It just Yeah, I think actually in tandem with this drink. I'm having a good time because I got like the very sweet and then I got the spicy over here with the Tabasco and stuff. So I'm like, You know what, actually this combo it's kind of slaps. 

Aubrie Williams  
I love it. I love it. I love the I love the spice and like, a tart sweet

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah, I'll throw some sriracha in anything like 

Ralph Andracchio  
Hell yeah

Dr. Timaree  
I'm a sriracha in my mac and cheese kind of gal.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, the best. I'm getting to the cherry part and I got like a bunch of cherry juice because you can only put it in the middle, right?

Ralph Andracchio  
Right. 

Dr. Timaree  
I sit them on top.

Aubrie Williams  
Oh, nice. Mine kept sliding off. So I just gave up and put two in each middle but one is somewhere in my room and I will find it later.

Ralph Andracchio  
Little Babies makes sriracha ice cream.

Shannon DeVido  
Hmm. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Which is delicious.

Dr. Timaree  
Wait, do they still exist?

Ralph Andracchio  
I don't know if they still exist 

Dr. Timaree  
I thought they close down because like I I knew the folks there, yeah,

Ralph Andracchio  
Well, they did make sriracha ice cream and it was delicious. 

Shannon DeVido  
Maybe that's why they don't exist anymore.

Aubrie Williams  
So they used to make they made an everything bagel ice cream and one of my favorite moments is Kate Thompson, who we all know and love, she ordered everything bagel ice cream because she really wanted to try it continues it was like I have to challenge myself. And she took like one bite of it and like threw the rest of the trash and we all had good ice cream and we're like... on you. It's on you though. 

Ralph Andracchio  
You're an adult. You made a choice. 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, I love a food challenge. But I was like Nah, I'm good.

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah, I'm like a like a like a Hot Ones kind of food challenge. We do that probably twice a year... get together a bunch of fellow masochists and then people who like observing us and we do the Hot Ones. And then like ask each other some kind of question for each round of the reading. So like it's like the show Hot Ones where you know, it's technically an interview show. And so I've got some books that I got one is like in college and it's just like to get to know your friends. Like to ask questions about like, you know, you can - would you rather kind of questions or like, which dead celebrity would you whatever, whatever. And then we also sometimes will do it with a whiskey pairing for each one. 

Aubrie Williams  
Okay. 

Dr. Timaree  
It's pretty intense. I would just like to say that I am always very grateful that I have a bidet for the next day because that's a lot to do to your body.

Aubrie Williams  
That's playing with fire literally.

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah. It's all good on the way in. It's the next day that's really exciting. And like I learned the hard way not to use seitan because like seitan will like expand in the stomach. And it just soaks it up. So it's like way more intense and then also like it expands and it hurts the next day. So it's like you got to get like a vegan chicken nuggi or something.

Shannon DeVido  
Wait, what was the thing you said not to use? What? I'm sorry I'm an idiot. What is that?

Dr. Timaree  
Seitan? It's so it's S-E-I-T-A-N is how it spelled. It sounds like like hail satan. But it's a it's a protein substitute that's like vegan. So sometimes you get like a vegan chicken wing or something made out of seitan. Or, you know, you can put it in whatever. But yeah, it's like, it's got a much tougher consistency than tofu. Like tofu is real squishy. So it's, you know, it's, you know, it's good for like, crumbling on things, but uh, yeah, it expands when it gets inside of you.

Aubrie Williams  
That's scary.

Ralph Andracchio  
What is seitan named after?

Dr. Timaree  
Great question,

Aubrie Williams  
Beelzebub.

Ralph Andracchio  
That's what I thought. I have a question about Hot Ones. Oh, would it why only it's more of a like philosophical question maybe but why only spicy stuff? Why not really sour things like the grapefruit were eating or something that's like also very challenging to eat but may not mess you up the same way.

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah well it's challenging in a different way because like sour is an intense thing. But it's not like you're gonna have a lot of physiological reactions to it. It's just entirely a taste. But with like, all of the capsaicin from the hot things, you're gonna have physiological responses of your body your whole body will change and it like depends on who you are and how sensitive you are to it. But the folks who really like spicy stuff, it's, it's kind of like an endorphin rush. And it's a really, it's, you know, it's one of those things where like people who like intense sensations like if you if you like, skydiving, if you like you know, anything that gives you some kind of physiological rush, and in that state, you're going to answer the questions differently. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Oh, that makes sense. 

Dr. Timaree  
That's why it's a genius interview format because like, you'll see somebody like a like one of my favorite Hot Ones episodes is Charlize Theron, who comes on they're super polished. You know, this is a person who's been famous since she was a teenager, like she's very, very press ready, just like you know, and it's all just very polite, quick answers, because she doesn't know how this is gonna get edited. And then she just starts wildin out. Fantastic, fantastic then you get to see the real person in there.

Aubrie Williams  
No, it's so fun. I watch it whenever I'm like just chill and I just put on a few episodes of Hot Ones. It's so fun. It's so good. Let me know the next time you do it because I want in on a Hot Ones challenge.

Dr. Timaree  
It's fun. It's fun. We get like a big weird group and like start pacing around.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, I feel like my body I would I would like deteriorate pretty quickly.

Dr. Timaree  
Everybody finds out how they deal with stress. 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah

Ralph Andracchio  
That would seem like it would be a great interrogation tactic. Like screw - screw hooking yourself up to a battery, your nipples to a battery, which I'm a fan of, but like just feed somebody hot wings and like ask them questions. Why not?

Dr. Timaree  
I'll tell you anything you want. Yeah.

Ralph Andracchio  
What's, um, I know that they measure hotness in Scoville. Right? Scoville.. 

Dr. Timaree  
It's not a real thing. 

Ralph Andracchio  
It's not a real thing?

Dr. Timaree  
It's a fake measurement, yeah.

Ralph Andracchio  
There goes my question, but 

Shannon DeVido  
Add it to the list!

Ralph Andracchio  
If it was - if it was a real thing, what do you think the hottest thing that you've eaten is in those fake units? 

Dr. Timaree  
Oh, it's hard to say because there's also there's the difference between just the sheer heat. Then also there's like, things that are just painful and bad. So like, for instance, the Hot Ones brands specifically they have like The Bomb and The Bomb Insanity, which are a hot sauces that are not flavorful. They don't taste good. They're just painful. It's like getting mustard gas. You know? It's like you're in World War One in the trenches like it's unpleasant. There's nothing good about it. So I've done those kinds of things. And there's a lot of different brands that have their version of that and it will just be like an all black bottle with a bunch of X's on it or whatever. Those are just that's not my vibe. Like I want it to be flavorful too. Like I'm not - it's not just the pain. It's about the presentation you know like good pain.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, it's always good one at like, you get like a nice taste and then it just like punches you in the mouth but that like initial like enjoyment. 

Dr. Timaree  
Nose starts running. 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah. eyes watering Yeah, face red.

Ralph Andracchio  
Do you think the the kind of daredevil stuff like that like I'm just gonna eat this sauce because it's super hot and it's painful, not just flavor. Do you think that kind of daredeviliy stuff is a gender thing or just a specific person thing? Like where do you think that comes from of like, I'm just going to do this because it hurts and it makes me feel alive.

Dr. Timaree  
I mean, if there's a gender component soon I'd be really interested because I think would probably be a complex gender thing like the women I know who are really into hot stuff are also very often very high femme to like, maybe that's just who I run with, but But yeah, there's Yeah, there's definitely like a daredevil thrill seeker sensation seeking masochism kind of streak to it. Yeah, it's the same kind of people who like like, there's something else you know, like I, you know, I ride a motorcycle like, you know, just if you like intense things.

Aubrie Williams  
Do you think there's an element that's like, I'm trying to prove something or like, I'm trying to like -

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah, I've read some psychological research on like, why people do things like this. And it seems like if you test your nervous system in these very, like, relatively safe circumstances, you're kind of like preparing yourself emotionally for real trauma. So there's, there's a connection between, you know, like, the pleasure that comes from pain because you get this big dose of endorphins, right? So it's people who just like get off on on getting that big rush of endorphins, but also there is there is something to be said for like people who like roller coasters and horror movies. You're kind of like putting yourself under a, you know, prescription level dose of terror and pain, so that the real world is more manageable.

Aubrie Williams  
That's crazy to me. I was just talking about this with someone because I'm like a controlled chaos person. So like roller coasters, any haunted house that's like crazy they can like take you somewhere like I'll do it. And like I'm always like, it's because I know I won't die like I think I couldn't possibly there's there's always a small a small margin of error and all of that, you know?

Ralph Andracchio  
Shannon looks incredulous.

Shannon DeVido  
Well, I just taking you somewhere... sounds like you probably will die. I like when they take me places and don't tell me where they're taking me. Mostly to back alleys. And I don't know the person and I usually take drugs beforehand. I that's what I really enjoy.

Aubrie Williams  
But yeah, let me let me expand upon that. I'm talking about Eastern State Penitentiary.

Shannon DeVido  
I know - I knew what you were talking about. I was...

Aubrie Williams  
And it's like, people I know work there. So like, they usually like they put on a good show, but they'll like walk you to like a fake door and then they'll be like, this isn't a real door and then just push you back into the crowd. So you have to just walk like you just walked with like a person in a mask and then you just gotta walk back to your group like, it's not too crazy. They did put Kate - back to Kate Thompson. This is a very Kate Thompson heavy ep. They put her they put her in a cage. So there was this one room and they had cages in the middle and they put her in the cage. But there was only like two false bars that were rubber. So we were just we kept being shepherded by like people in masks. And then she was just like, I guess I live here now. She was trying to figure it out. She made it. She made it

Dr. Timaree  
There's definitely like fanfiction in there for me about that. 

Shannon DeVido  
I'm writing it down don't even worry about it.

Ralph Andracchio  
Shannon, where do you get your rushes of adrenaline? 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah.

Shannon DeVido  
I don't. I don't know, probably being on stage.

Dr. Timaree  
Oh that's a really good point.

Aubrie Williams  
That's great. 

Shannon DeVido  
The only place. Cuz other than that I don't leave my room. This is a really sad episode for me. I'm not really sad. I sound like a really sad person. I don't leave my room. I also don't I can't understand butter. And I only eat Welch's Fruit Snacks. So don't even... it's fine. Also Welch's Fruit Snacks... delicious. Please sponsor our episodes. 

Aubrie Williams  
You better be in a commercial

Shannon DeVido  
For Welch's Fruit Snacks? How many times more times can I say it before they send me free boxes?

Ralph Andracchio  
We'll see once this airs.

Aubrie Williams  
We'll send this episode to the to the heads of  - the corporate execs at Welch's.

Shannon DeVido  
We'll find out where they are. Just show up. Hey, you want to listen to a podcast? 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah.

Dr. Timaree  
That's just like the Hot Ones.

Shannon DeVido  
This is my version of Hot Ones. The different fruits and the different types of Welch's Fruit Snacks. Uh, this is a, uh, an orange.

Aubrie Williams  
The build up for that was *muah*

Ralph Andracchio  
Chef's kiss. Yeah, I should have made myself an actual drink because I just have water and the grapefruit and the water are not... It's like I just brush my teeth and it tastes terrible and I hate it.

Aubrie Williams  
I know. I have a great fruit drink and grapefruit and the grapefruits like really kicking me in the mouth when I eat it. And I tend to try and eat like the whole thing when we do something so I only have half a half so I've eaten three quarters of this grapefruit 

Dr. Timaree  
And that's how it works as a diet food because you just don't... 

Aubrie Williams  
Can't do it. You can't do it. Yeah, it's really sour like I do love citrus but like this is too, too much. I think 

Dr. Timaree  
I have a friend who is allergic to citrus. And I just think that's so, so sad because it's like oh there's a lot of things to be allergic to that makes me sad like, and like there's you know, increasing number of like food allergies in the world like I have a friend who can't have like anything with fructose and is also lactose intolerant and we know a ton of people who can add nuts and like, all of those kinds of things and just like oh, man, the world is so mean.

Ralph Andracchio  
Do you think it it's it's like people are actually getting more intolerant of foods or is it just like it's just being reported more?

Dr. Timaree  
There's probably a combination but from like most of the research that's out there, it's like part of it is that because our immune systems are tested very differently than previous generations. We're we're much cleaner. We are more about antiseptics. We're more about antibacterials. We're more about like, hand washing, things like that. So our immune systems are tested very infrequently compared to generations past and that's the prevailing theory about why we're developing these other allergies, because they're very location dependent and culturally dependent Like for instance, in Israel, they have almost no peanut allergies because the kids consume a lot of bombas which is like a basically like a peanut butter Cheeto. It's a very, very common snack for kids. And so because they're exposed to peanuts really early and very often, they just don't tend to have the allergies there.

Ralph Andracchio  
That's really interesting and and also our bodies can change really quickly. too, because I know for me, I recently became allergic to like bell peppers and stuff. For random for no reason. I would eat them all the time. Love them. Then all of a sudden, the past couple months, I eat one my lips blow up, I get all itchy and it's like, Well, great. Now there's a food that I can't eat. And its people just say oh your body changes sometimes I'm like, well why can't a change and like I gain muscle mass and look and look like a bodybuilder Why can't change that way?

Dr. Timaree  
Suddenly get the ability to read minds? 

Ralph Andracchio  
And that would be great. Just can't eat bell peppers anymore. I can't wait till it changes back but yeah, that's that's another thing that's scary is like your body could just all of a sudden - oh no, I don't like that. What is that like a common thing? What is that? 

Dr. Timaree  
Like body changing? 

Ralph Andracchio  
Yeah, like just developing allergies over time. I never understood that.

Dr. Timaree  
The wages of staying alive.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, right. Yeah, your body just shuts down eventually.

Ralph Andracchio  
The bell pepper switch has been flipped for me. Great.

Aubrie Williams  
It's like a circuit breaker like the one by one.

Ralph Andracchio  
What's next? Hopefully grapefruit because this was terrible.

Shannon DeVido  
So yeah, what's the verdict? Was it terrible? We never want to do this again.

Aubrie Williams  
I would not probably choose this great again. It's doing like a sour I have a real sour overwhelmingly grapefruit taste in my mouth and like it tricks your brain when you get the cinnamon but then it's like, it makes the grapefruit taste even more intense somehow.

Dr. Timaree  
I just thought it was a lot of work for not a lot of anything.

Ralph Andracchio  
Yeah.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, I thought I was gonna literally burn my house down because broiling is scary.

Ralph Andracchio  
Yeah, I would not do this again to myself. I can understand why people would eat it to be healthy because you don't want a lot of it. And it has a lot of vitamins and water and all that good stuff but... 

Dr. Timaree  
So much vitamin C.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, it fills you up to like I was like, I'm just gonna eat a grapefruit for lunch. Like that's never gonna work but like I feel like not starving. You know?

Shannon DeVido  
You're getting eaten 10 minutes Stop it. 

Aubrie Williams  
I will you're right.

Ralph Andracchio  
How about we do our lightning round and throw some questions at the good doctor 

Shannon DeVido  
The world famous questionnaire.

Ralph Andracchio  
We still have to come up with a jingle for that.

Shannon DeVido  
We will.

Ralph Andracchio  
Who's got the first question is that me or somebody else? 

Shannon DeVido  
It's me. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Oh, it's you. Okay.

Shannon DeVido  
Okay. Timaree, Welcome to the world famous Cookbook Obscura Questionnaire. Question One. If you could cook with a famous person dead or alive. Who would it be? And why?

Dr. Timaree  
Okay, right now, on the day that we were recording it is the 48th Birthday of Saint Angelina Jolie. So I - my admiration for her exceeds far past a crush, it would be like I like I feel deeply uncomfortable about the idea of like, not that Angelina Jolie wants to hang out with me but like, you know, it's like beyond it's like, this level of respect is like no just like looking from afar, looking respectfully. Yeah.

Ralph Andracchio  
What would you cook for her?

Dr. Timaree  
Whatever she told me to do. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Great.

Shannon DeVido  
Grapefruit

Dr. Timaree  
I don't get the impression she eats a whole lot. So 

Shannon DeVido  
She probably eats grapefruit. 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah. All right, cool. Question two. If someone cut you what sauce would you bleed?

Dr. Timaree  
I mean, probably whiskey, but the other answer would be like hot honey. Because that's a that's one of my favorite things. I put hot honey on a lot of stuff. It's good on almost everything except for something that's already really sweet like a brownie. I've tried to put hot honey on a brownie and I was like it's actually too much. But hot honey on anything savory. Like throw hot honey on a pizza. Throw hot honey on any bread or cheese. Whatever. It's it's *mwah* it's yeah, it's yet it's got everything I need.

Ralph Andracchio  
Is that something that you can make yourself or do you buy it in the store? Like how can people get hot honey if they want it?

Dr. Timaree  
I'm sure someone could make I'm sure there is a recipe but like you can also Yeah, just get them in the stores like DiBruno has some like just my my market just down the corner has a different brand. But yeah, it's just it's a it's like a jar of honey. That's like full of capsaicin of some sort. So and you can get it in varying levels of of intensity. You can get like extra spicy

Aubrie Williams  
I've never had it. I'll have to do it because...

Dr. Timaree  
Yeah, it seems like one of those things that like I don't know if it hasn't always been around, or if or whatever, but I only found out about it a matter of years ago and now it's just like a tote with me everywhere and people like look and it's like yeah, people are still finding out about it. So I don't know if it like was from some corner of the world and always there or if it was just invented. I have no idea.

Ralph Andracchio  
Um, best food memory

Dr. Timaree  
It would probably be something just like, based on the people who were there or like where I was at the time because like, I like food in general. It's all very good. So we'd probably be like at the end of a long hike or something whatever. Like just you know, the the meals that you have after an incredibly grueling something is just always so satisfying the some of the most pleasurable sensations are relief, right? Like finally getting to pee, taking your like shoes off like this kind of thing. Really, that's what orgasm is to right? It's released it's relief and like, know when you get to finally eat after a long day of doing stuff, whatever it is, whether it's good or or it's hard.

Shannon DeVido  
What is your favorite kitchen utensil?

Dr. Timaree  
Ah, I have I have big love for the spatula. I also learned that people use the term spatula to describe two different things. So the spatula that I grew up with is the kind where you like you take the brownie batter out of the bowl and lick it off. And then also people call it a spatula that you used to like flip your omelet or whatever. 

Shannon DeVido  
That's what I call it like the flappy one.

Dr. Timaree  
The flat one though I was like, Alright, I guess that is a spatula but what is the one that's like bendy and like you can use it to like

Aubrie Williams  
We call that a spatula too. When you're baking.

Dr. Timaree  
Are they both variations on the same theme? Like?

Aubrie Williams  
That's a good question. I've never thought about that at all. And now it's blowing my mind because I'm like, No, I've referred to both...

Dr. Timaree  
They are different items, you know. So I guess the mystery is really what's compelling.

Aubrie Williams  
Ah Nancy Drew, it all comes back to the mystery.

Ralph Andracchio  
We always end with more questions than we've answered on the show.

Aubrie Williams  
Truly, truly. Question five, Ashley has a bag of M&Ms. She gave 10 Blue M&Ms to Robert, five green M&Ms to Nancy, and three blue M&Ms to Sarah. Who is the host of Diners, Drive Ins and Dives?

Dr. Timaree  
I have never seen that show. 

Aubrie Williams  
What? 

Dr. Timaree  
I've never seen the show I just have to assume it's like Guy Fieri or something. I was in drag last night and this is why I was thinking about that because like so I put on like fake, mustache and goatee situations. And once I took the wigs off and it was just like me and my long hair somebody told me I look like Guy Fieri. I also got told I look like a roadie like a roadie named Snake.

Shannon DeVido  
Very specific.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah what percentage of roadies are named Snake? I bet alot

Shannon DeVido  
All of them 100%

Aubrie Williams  
90 or above was my guess.

Ralph Andracchio  
If I could I would bring back frosted tips though because I do enjoy a frosted tip. That's one of my guilty pleasures.

Aubrie Williams  
I mean, I guess I do kind of an ombre I guess is a frosted tip in a way. Right? 

Ralph Andracchio  
A more sophisticated frosted tip.

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah. So I'm basically a classier Guy Fieri - No I don't want to I don't want to mess with Guy Fieri, but I'm gonna say classier Guy Fieri.

Dr. Timaree  
I have seen Guy Fieri burlesque though, on multiple occasions. I have no fewer than three Guy Fieri burlesque acts, so most of my information about him is actually from that.

Ralph Andracchio  
Okay

Shannon DeVido  
Please learn nothing else.

Dr. Timaree  
It's like ya know, it's like the people who go to like a Star Wars burlesque show but have never seen Star Wars - which happens - and then their understanding of the of the movies is that like the Ewoks be fuckin' you know like...

Aubrie Williams  
Tagline Lucas - Lucas if you're listening. Star Wars after dark.

Ralph Andracchio  
Boy we're - this has been fun. We're careening towards the end of the episode again. This is - they always fly by because we have such wonderful people on and food. One thing I love about the show is like everybody loves having food and talking. It's like a very central thing to human nature and that's why I love doing this because it's just nice to sit and eat and talk and have fun with people. So thank you for doing this. Before we leave, this is your - the floor is yours plug away. Where can people see you here you find you on the internet, especially if they're in Philly and they're local where can they come see you all that good stuff.

Dr. Timaree  
Well, the clearinghouse for all these things would be at drtimaree.com. That's D-R-T-I-M-A-R-E-E.com. And there you can find in the blog not only like a bunch of news articles around sexuality that is happening right now. But also my events. I've got stuff that's like comedy base like we have DTF: The Darryl and Timaree Fun Hour. We've got our 10 year anniversary show coming up. That'll be June 24 I don't know what this is coming out, but that will be June 24 at Frankie Bradley's I also have a lot of Burlesque events. So things like Slut Church, which is all metal music and kink and burlesque and then I have a show called Get You a Babe Who Can Do Both where burlesque shows give a TED talk in the first half and then they perform burlesque in the second half of a show called Safe Word that's all kink burlesque. So if you got really turned on by like the Cheetos in the toes stuff, or the idea of Kate Thompson in a cage, any of those things, you should come to Safe Word. So shows like that. Yeah, we have a bunch of those things coming up so you can find all that drtimaree.com If you want to look at pictures of my butt, going to Instagram @honeytree.evileye that's where I keep a lot of my burlesque stuff. So just want to put that out there as an option. Just a heads up don't follow if you open up your Instagram at work a lot and your boss cares about those kinds of things.

Ralph Andracchio  
Not somebody we want to work for anyway. 

Aubrie Williams  
Yeah, I know I follow you and I always am like, like, it will just pop up and there'll be like sometimes kids around and I'm like, I just gotta be mindful.

Dr. Timaree  
My whole feed is like not remotely safe for most people's jobs. 

Aubrie Williams  
But I love it. I'm there for it.

Ralph Andracchio  
I hate to do this, but it just popped into my head if you if you could leave our listeners with one thing to think about because there's a lot of turmoil in the country right now around sexuality and trans rights and drag and ridiculous shit that we shouldn't be putting up with right now. But we are. If there's one little nugget that you could leave everybody with, what do you think that would be?

Dr. Timaree  
I mean, the whole point of all of this, right? It's just like about your personal autonomy. That's what all of this is about. Whether some some guy you've never met gets to decide what you do with the rest of your life. And how you spend your time and who you hang out with and how you express yourself and like what you do alone in your room. Like, at the end of the day. I don't need everybody to do the same thing or like to say that it's great that you do burlesque or drag or whatever, you just need to respect the rights of other people to live their lives and think to yourself real hard, how it actually impacts you if someone lives a different way. And if it if it doesn't, if your big fear is just that it will influence other people to do that stuff. Then you have to do a little bit interpersonal like intrapersonal work on like, why that's a concern. You just want everybody to be living lives of active decision that we have. We have chosen to do the things we're doing that we have thought about what we want out of this one precious life that we have that we know we have, like Are you are you doing the things you want to do? And if so, maybe let other people do the things that they want to do. And if you're mad about other people doing things they want to do think about why you're not doing the things you want to be doing which is why you have all this extra energy to worry about. So if if you if you want to be rainbow color streamer in the street, go for it. If you don't, you don't have to. There's many ways to be queer. I wear black all the time. That's one of the ways to be queer. Yeah, so everybody have a good pride. Happy Pride.

Ralph Andracchio  
Happy Pride. That's wonderful. I love that. All right. That's great. Thank you so much for being our guest. This was wonderful. 

Dr. Timaree  
Thank you so much for having me. 

Ralph Andracchio  
Everybody eat more grapefruit and yes, we'll put all all the contact info in the show notes. Please go see and hear everything that Dr. Timaree does. She's amazing. She's one of the best advocates out there for everything we just talked about. So please support her as much as possible. That's it. Thanks for listening and remember to eat responsibly. Thanks everybody.

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