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The Husband & Wife Team Behind East Sands Golf Co. [REPLAY]

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If East Sands Golf Co. isn’t on your radar yet, you may not be paying close enough attention. In the two years since we first sat down with Nick and Haley, they’ve built one of the most respected golf travel companies around, helping golfers from all over plan unforgettable golf adventures. If a dream golf trip is on your bucket list, these are the people you want in your corner.

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SPEAKER_00

The part that's fun for us is getting to talk to golfers and build out cool itinerary. What's next for us is hopefully planning a lot more really fun trips, you know, and getting to geek out about, yeah, like that's a great option, but so's this. And, you know, it's almost like a bar type chat about like what's the best last course to add to the itinerary.

SPEAKER_01

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the Whole Story Podcast. Robbie here introducing today's show, which is another flashback to a show that we did about two years ago. As we continue our Monday travel series, we are looking back at a conversation with our friends Nick and Haley of East Sands Golf Company. They have blown up since the uh since two years ago. They are doing some incredible things. They are, I know, working with No Laying Up as one of their travel partners, but just a great couple doing great things for the game, uh, great story, and we wanted you guys to hear it again, uh, hear how it all started. They talk about uh after they got married, their honeymoon, and how that led to a six-month trek, I believe, there in Scotland. And they just fell in love with that that world and that golf and figured out that, hey, let's uh let's make golf a part of our lives. So, yeah, really cool thing they're doing with ESANs Golf Company. If they're looking to plan a trip and travel, I know they got one coming up later this summer. Uh, they are heading to watch uh some of the Walker Cup, I believe, there in Ireland. So anyway, check out what they're doing, listen to this show, and appreciate what uh what Nick and Haley are building there. Uh as always, our shows are brought to you by our friends at Summit Golf Brands, B. Jedi, Zero Restriction, Fairway, and Green. If you visit any of their sites and use Best Ball 20, you can save 20% off your order. So let's get to it. Let's take another look back at our conversation with Nick and Haley of East Sands Golf Company. Y'all enjoy. We've got two very special guests, Nick and Haley. One of our previous guests on the show, Kyla Nava, she teaches there at Predator Ridge over in Vancouver. She had mentioned we need to get these guys on. They went on some kind of a honeymoon for six months. My wife asked, how did that happen? But for six months over in Scotland playing Lynx Golf, loved it so much, and this is what Kyla was saying, loved it so much they said we need to we need to start a travel company. And so now they have East Sands Golf Co. So, guys, Nick and Haley, welcome to the Whole Story Podcast.

SPEAKER_04

Cheers. Thanks so much for having us. We're very excited to be here.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, thanks very much.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so I don't know who I need to ask first, but most guys can't get away for a four-hour round. And somehow you're like, honey, listen, here's the idea. Hear me out. Let's go play golf on our honeymoon for six months. Who is it among you that decided that was the great idea? Obviously, both of you play golf, I assume, or what's going on there? How does that work?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, believe it or not, that was my pitch. Um funny origin story. Nick and I met late 2019 and we didn't really start dating until early 2020, January 2020. Um, so we spent a lot of our early relationship in various, various stages of lockdown in Canada. And probably about a year and a half in, I think uh like an Omicron lockdown or something like that, I started to say, okay, when the world opens back up to us, we gotta make up for lost time. And uh Nick was pretty hesitant to, you know, like quit jobs and and backpack and that sort of thing. And so I I knew a pitch that he would not be able to refuse was six months in Scotland.

SPEAKER_01

Very nice, very nice. So did you guys play golf together before you started dating?

SPEAKER_00

We um we met through like uh one of the main like online dating apps, and uh we both had sort of golf on our profile. Uh Haley played college golf at the University of British Columbia, one of the best uh Canadian golf programs. When we met, I think she was like a two or a three handicap. I was like a very keen and improving, like 12 or so at the time. And so I think the first uh first match we ever played together, I think she gave me four aside, and I think she still beat me. Nice. Uh but uh but yeah, so um golf was always something that we shared, and then as you know, we played more and more together, I worked as hard as I could to try to beat her more occasionally than than when we started. And the annoying part is that as I've kept improving, she keeps getting better too. So now she's I think a plus one, uh, and she is annoyingly good.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you've got uh an Instagram handle called uh the million dollar match. So you guys for fun playing, you know, very competitive, I'm guessing. Um, you know, Haley, you've got the you're still giving strokes.

SPEAKER_04

It kind of depends. We're pretty evenly matched these days, especially if I play. Obviously, Nick has a length benefit um off the T. So if we play like a T apart, we pretty much play straight up. Um Nick's down to about a two. So honestly, if we play play the same T this year, he started giving me maybe a shot on like the long, maybe the longest par four or something like that. So yeah, we're we're pretty, pretty evenly matched these days. It's funny that that account actually was a bit of a precursor to this trip to Scotland. Um, you can imagine we were starting to kind of annoy our non-golf friends with a lot of golf Instagram. A lot of my girlfriends in particular started to vocally complain to me about it. And I was like, all right, well, we're gonna want to scrap books, so how can we how can we build a place where the people that care, maybe our parents and whoever else follows along, um, can watch. And yeah, we always joke that we have a million bucks on the line because we figure, you know, a million bucks between friends is never really gonna change hands. Um that's that's kind of the yeah, the beginning of the million dollar match.

SPEAKER_02

So who's up? Who's who's plus two million plus four? Like where do we stand on the soap?

SPEAKER_00

Philly's up two million on me right now. I took a million off of her on Saturday, which was a huge win for the program. I was very excited about that. Doesn't happen that often, so I gotta celebrate the wins. Yeah, you gotta cash in while you can.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well, getting better at golf, they always say you should watch the women's game because they're just better at golf. We just try to hit it too hard too far.

SPEAKER_00

When when we um early on, I think in dating, we played a match one time where the rule was I could only hit a club that was going to go as far as the club Haley was hitting. So if she was hitting driver and at the time she hit it 220, my hybrid went a little bit farther than that. So I had to go four iron and probably wasn't anyway, was close at that point. But playing a par five like Haley was playing it at the time was really humbling because the only thing I really had was to be able to like hit a driver, hit you know, a hybrid up somewhere near the green, try to get up and down for like an easy birdie and hold on for dear life. But if I have to hit a four iron and then another really good four iron and then a good wedge, and then I was like, oh man, like I think I lost that match five and four or or five and three or something like that. It was like it was a disaster.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you quickly learn how short game comes into play and that evens the playing field. Seriously.

SPEAKER_02

Does the does the million dollar bet does that go into other areas of life too? Like who can pick up faster, who can who can like drive safer, or is it just golf?

SPEAKER_00

I think it's we've never actually extended beyond uh beyond golf, but that's an interesting idea.

SPEAKER_04

It kind of started as a dollar match, actually. We have really close friends who say they they're very competitive as well. We obviously are, and they say they put a dollar on everything and it helps keep their relationship light, you know, instead of letting little tiny things that could be competitive become more attention. And so we used to joke that we'd play for a dollar, and then we're like, well, if we're not gonna hand over a loony, we might as well be playing for more. So I think the first time we ever said it was like actually just to get a rise out of our playing partners that didn't know us. They asked what we were playing for, and we're like, oh, a million bucks. But yeah, the dollar bet has definitely bled elsewhere into the relationship. Um, but I don't think the million dollars have.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I had I had an old whole office once where the whole entire office we set the culture that everything was a dollar bet. So like the over-under on how long it took to get the lunch, the over-under on how many mistakes someone would make, and everyone had quarters lined up on their desk. And it was like it was great to walk past and see four or five dollars lined up because you knew you had a good week. So that's a that's a fun idea. If you got a competitive family, a dollar bet's a safe way to go. Because then it's just for like, I own your dollar, not you.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, we're we're competitive with everything. At our wedding, we had a chalkboard bet on old fashioned versus martinis. And whoever we had like the first drink was lined up, it was like pre-made cocktails, and whoever took one, they had to mark down the chalkboard. And I think we bet a hundred bucks on who was gonna win uh that other things a bet.

SPEAKER_04

We don't have to talk about that.

SPEAKER_00

Wait, which one? Which one won that one?

SPEAKER_01

The old fashioned might have won. I think I took that. Alright, good, good, good. If we were invited, I would have helped for the old-fashioned cause. So perfect. Yep. All right, so Haley, it sounds like this Scotland six-month trip was uh your idea. Maybe you influenced that. Had you been before, what caused you to say, hey, let's let's just pack up and move for six months to Scotland to play some lynx golf?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, good question. So we'd both been before. I'd been uh twice before we got engaged, Nick had been once. And then the week actually after we got engaged, we got engaged um fall of 2022, and on a week's notice, um, decided to go over. We we'd kind of been playing around with this idea for years at this point, two years probably at this point. Um, but we figured we needed to scope it out, figure out a course we could join while we were over there, kind of make it work financially. And so um, so when we actually left in April of 23, I had then been three times and Nick had been twice, just once together. Um, we both absolutely love the country. Scotland's one of those places in Europe. I mean, obviously as a golf fan, everyone, you know, it's like the Mecca. Um, but even for for friends and family that aren't golfers, it's one of those, it's very underrated. Like it's it's not, you know, the Italy or the Portugal that's kind of top of everyone's escape to Europe, but it is absolutely beautiful. The people are incredible. They're really, it's a really humble, um, kind of more subdued um type of person, but super, super generous, super open once you kind of practice shell. Um, and we both had found that before. So we we knew it was somewhere, somewhere that we both loved. It afforded us this opportunity to play a ton of golf. Um, within the Commonwealth, as Canadians, we can be anywhere in the Commonwealth for up to six months without a visa. So that was a big part of it was okay, where can we go that you know we're not going too far from home? We can still work our North American jobs, albeit funky hours. Um, and there's not too too much kind of front-end logistics. So there were a few considerations, a few factors, but um we never really talked about anywhere else in the UK. It was always like, if we're gonna go, we're gonna go to Scotland.

SPEAKER_01

Did you have a home base, uh, a city in Scotland that you you parked and kind of said this is where we're gonna start and end each day or each after each trip?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. We we rented a flat uh on the the east part of St. Andrews itself, and that's where East Sands comes from. That's the the name of the beach that our our flat backed onto. And so that was that was home. We had both been there before and absolutely loved St. Andrews. Um we ended up joining a golf course that's about 25 minutes south of St. Andrews. Uh so I think Scots think that that's a bit of a drive, but the North American mindset is just like we would go like three hours north on a day trip, and they would be like, I've never been up to Imverness because that's been fully far to them. So uh that was an advantage we had. But yeah, we planted roots in um in St. Andrews, and that was kind of home base. We did a lot of travel throughout the country, and as we kind of ran out of time and still had a lot of things that we wanted to tick off on our list, we would do kind of two-day trips midweek, get an Airbnb in a different town, play golf in the morning, and then work from the Airbnb in the afternoons because weekends started to be fewer than we had golf courses left to tick off.

SPEAKER_02

So, how many rounds and how many courses did you end up doing?

SPEAKER_04

You know what? We actually haven't done the full count, which is silly. We need to go back and look at our calendars. I know we've we played, we figure we played like over 60 rounds at London Golf Club where we joined. Um and then we played 42 other golf courses. We know that around the UK and Ireland. We did take one week as an official honeymoon off of uh off work and we went and played a few rounds in Ireland. Um so yeah, we played, I guess that means in six months we played probably about 100, 110 rounds of golf. Um, but we we definitely covered some miles and and ticked off a lot.

SPEAKER_00

So, what was the name of the course you said you guys joined? It's called London Golf Club, but it's spelled L-U-N-D-I-N, not like the the capital of England. Um great little uh quirky out and back uh links course. It was uh designed by old Tom Morris, and then golf got so popular there that the course actually had to split in two. So now it's London Golf Club and Leaven Golf Club, and they they put a stone wall between the two nines, they each took nine, and they got James Braid, who built 400 Lynx courses in uh the UK, uh, to build nine more holes at each spot. So super cool, like lots of history. I think it's 1867 was when it was founded. So uh very cool home away from home for us.

SPEAKER_01

Now, as a member, did that get you access to play other courses?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it gave us 11 reciprocals around the country um for like around 20 to 30 pounds apiece. Um, and so we really we uh we definitely started to you know plan some of our weekends away or or midweek trips around where we had reciprocals left. It there were a lot of golf courses that were very much on our radar when we went over, and then there were quite a few reciprocals that we didn't really know about or hadn't heard that much about um when we landed and and got the list. And some of those are some of are like among the we would say true hidden gems, like you know, the courses that not everyone talks about, but that we feel very fortunate to have played and developed a point of view on. Um, and we got to play them for like a fifth the price it would cost to come in off the streets. So um yeah, it was a it was an awesome setup. And we, you know, we've kept our membership at London. We feel like we paid for a year's worth of uh international membership and we played it 60 times, we could probably go a couple years not playing that much and still be still be in the black.

SPEAKER_02

So you're obviously not living in Scotland now, but with a golf membership, how often are you going back and forth? Is it like, hey, it's Saturday, let's just see if we can catch a flight and go back for a Sunday round?

SPEAKER_00

Or I would definitely be pitching that uh if we were on the east coast of uh of Canada or the US. I think the flight being, you know, five or six hours and not 11 or something would make a difference. Um we're actually going back to Scotland. We're hosting a little sort of rider cup style trip in September uh that's mostly sort of friends and family. We're kind of treating it like a delayed launch party. Uh and we're doing that in Gullen, which is like 45 minutes east of Edinburgh, uh very cool three-course golf club uh in a really charming town. Uh and so on that trip, we'll we'll stop into London and we'll get you know at least one round in at the home course. But I think the goal is every year would be really nice. Uh if uh as we keep going and as this becomes more and more of what we do, if we could be back in Scotland for a month in the summer or something like that, uh that would be really awesome. But one of the things that blew our mind when we were looking into this uh was that membership is just such a different thing because every every course over there is what we would consider semi-private. So they all have memberships and really active, you know, they have competitions, like um, it's a real true membership, but they also have visitor play allowed almost every day. And then, you know, even Mirrorfield allows visitor play, you know, Tuesdays and Thursdays. And so because of that, the the membership costs are so subsidized that an international membership at uh our course over there is 475 pounds a year, and then there's no monthly dues on top of that. So it's about like 600 USD, something like that. And so it's like, I don't know, if in two years we go and play four rounds, it's like, okay, we've paid for the cost of paying for it for two years. Like it's it's great, it's like the best deal in golf.

SPEAKER_04

Hopefully, they don't listen too closely to this or give me a rocket fun.

SPEAKER_02

I was gonna say, whenever you show up, we're like, hey, the Canadians are here. Because I mean that you obviously played a lot of golf over a couple months, and you know, I'm assuming you became quite the story among the pub or you know, post-round drinks of what are you two doing? And every guy there is probably like, how in the world did you find a woman that decided to let you go play golf for six months of the honeymoon, right? And she's beating you. Well, that's that that's the best part because it's her idea. No one gets it that it's her idea. Everyone assumes that it'd be the guy's idea. She probably did it just because she knows she can beat you. Right. She's like, I'm just gonna we're gonna start the relationship off with a statement, which is six months of beating you down in golf. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

On a regular basis. Well, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

All right. So you guys lived in St. Andrews, and the name ESands comes from that. So what inspired you to start a golf travel company planning trips to Scotland?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so uh the funny part of our whole story was that the day we actually flew to Scotland, I got caught up in a re-org sort of restructuring at the tech company I was working at. So joined a Zoom call at nine in the morning, and the chief operating officer of the company was on it with HR, and I was like, oh, I know what that means. So the day we flew, I got laid off and had like four months or so of severance. So it went from pretty unsettling to pretty quickly being like, well, it's actually not the worst thing in the world. So when we landed, I did a bunch of the life admin stuff to get us set up while Haley was working her job. But I quickly sort of figured out that applying for my next role and figuring that out wasn't going to be a 40-hour week type of commitment. So when I was applying for an apartment in St. Andrews, I dropped by the uh the caddy pavilion at the old course and asked if they needed any help. And they said that they didn't really down at the old course, but they did up at the castle course, which is like eight minutes east. And so I spent the first 10 weeks we were in Scotland caddying uh pretty much every day. So I would do we would wake up, we would go first tea time out at our course, play at about 7 a.m. We'd play in like two hours and 45 minutes, I would draw Paley at home, I would drive to the golf course, and then I would loop in the afternoon. And so that was very fun, my favorite job I've ever had. Uh but why that was inspirational was that a caddy for a lot of people, you know, mostly Americans, some Canadians, and then some from elsewhere. Uh, and a lot of people were on a really similar itinerary, and that goes from like low single-digit, you know, clearly very keen golfers, to like, you know, less capable players, let's say, or people who kind of would ask me on like the first on the first T, like, hey, so what's this place all about? Like, what's this place called again? Like some people really knew their itinerary, some people didn't know at all, but they were all kind of playing the same hits over and over again. And the research we did when we kind of got inspired on this was that the price point tends to be really similar, and just our thought was that not everyone needs to be on the exact same trip. I think some people are probably scared about a Scotland trip when they look it up and they say, you know, oh, a trip in Scotland costs eight grand, and you, you know, you play Carnousteen, you play the old course, and you play Kings Barnes, and those are all incredible. But some people go, oh, I don't have eight grand to spend on this. I guess it has to wait. And our point of view is that that trip is awesome. Like a lot of people should do it, but there's a $4,500 trip and a $15,000 trip that you know have a different, you know, spot for the right person. So we wanted to create like a really boutique y, you know, not one size fits all, not one template, and try to sell it to as many people we can via Instagram ads. Like, truly, like send us an email and we'll put together an itinerary that we think makes sense for you. And we think that there's a spot for that uh for a lot of golfers.

SPEAKER_02

So does that process look like, hey, I've got 10 buddies that I want to go with. Our budget's 3,500 bucks plus airfare. Can you figure out where we can play for six days? Is it sort of that sort of conversation?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, exactly. It's a lot of it is up us up front, kind of what Nick was talking about, getting a sense of like, why do you want to go to Scotland? Like are you guys, you know, total keener as want to play 36 a day, willing to drive, you know, these crazy single lane roads on the left side of the road to do it? Or are you looking for an adventure that's maybe more family friendly or that um to your point costs a little bit less or really focuses on in and around Edinburgh because you're there for a function or you're there for work. Whatever, um, really understanding like what people want from their trip. Do they want us to to suggest an itinerary that allows them to do some other big tourist hits in Scotland? Do they want to just go hard on golf, cram it all in? Um, so there's lots of upfront discovery um just to make sure that we're we're building something that really fits for them. I think we have a unique perspective on that because you know, we have a male and female player. Um, we've played with a huge variety of people as a result of our individual experiences, you know, growing up around golf. And so we could see firsthand, oh, okay, not everyone belongs on the castle course, for instance, where where Nick is caddying.

SPEAKER_02

So does that mean Nick is the caddy whenever we go out? Is that what happens? He's like, all right, I'm gonna be your four caddy for this course. I've played it before. My wife beat me on hole number nine. This is the shot you shouldn't take.

SPEAKER_00

I can do double duty if that's cool with you. I can give you all the lines, but I would also like to hit a ball if that's uh if you know that's Is it and a serious question.

SPEAKER_02

Like, are you guys the ones that meet, like if we were gonna set up a trip, would you meet us over there, sort of be like handling all the admin stuff, or is it sort of here's what you're supposed to do, good luck, talk to Roger on 6th Street whenever you get there.

SPEAKER_00

It's uh it's kind of between those two. It's like most people would do a trip that is like planned by us and not like chaperone, for instance. So most of them wouldn't be like the big ones that have, you know, 20 people in them and we're on the bus and helping with the sightseeing. There is a model that goes with that. A lot of like private clubs will run like a member trip once a year to, you know, Ireland or Scotland or something. And that I think it would look a little bit more like that. Um, more of our trips are, you know, four people, eight people kind of doing it themselves once they get, you know, to uh Scotland, but all the tea times, all the ground transportation, all the accommodations, and then like a lot of suggestions for dinner reservations and things like that in between. And then what we look to do is like, you know, set up a WhatsApp chat, set up like as much back and forth, being available, you know, as much or as little as people want for questions that they have, or hey, how much like what's the going rate to tip a caddy again? Things like that. Uh we're super happy to have that conversation and just kind of nerd out about golf as well. Ask them what they thought about you know the fourth hole at London and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01

That's great. So we talked to uh David Jones, a better known in the Twitter world as the UK golf guy, I'm sure you guys know who I'm talking about. And he, and you've kind of already referenced this, but he talked about, you know, there's some people that go on these trips and they want to hit the named courses, right? All the famous ones that you've listed, but you've already referenced that there are a lot of hidden gems, and that's what he said. Like instead of going and and being on a van for a day and and you know missing it, like you're driving past so many good courses. So what are some of the favorite hidden gems there in Scotland? And I know there's probably a a billion of them, but what uh what are some courses that you really like that might not be as as widely known?

SPEAKER_00

Sure, yeah. I'm one of the ones I was like, I say this tongue in cheek, but I was really bummed out uh when uh Tron Carter from No Laying Up shouted out Dunbar Golf Club on the No Laying Up podcast, like last week or the week before, because he compared it favorably to North Barwick, which has become really famous over the last five to ten years. It was already well known, but it's really blown up as like Speath and JT would play there before the Scottish Open. And done I totally agree. Dunbar is like another 20-ish minutes along um East Lothian along the coast, a little bit farther away from Edinburgh, and it is like wicked. It has like, you know, it's like a handsome links course that has a good amount of quirk too. It's got like a really interesting routing. It is like very, very pretty views out there. It's kind of as good as it gets, and it's not it's not kind of in that like 325 pound green fee kind of zone. I mean, if it keeps getting talked about on podcasts, it it might become that. Um, the other one I would shout out that is, I think, well known to a certain extent, but it is such a pain to get to that I think it gets skipped is Macrahannish Golf Club is on the edge of the world. It is like it's four and a half hours from Glasgow. It is like next to Ireland, it's so far southwest in Scotland. And it is awesome. It is a, you know, uh, it's also a old Tom Morris. It has, I think, the best opening T shot in golf. Dog leg left across the public beach. Um, it is just like a really, really cool place that you feel like you've got to earn a little bit to get down there. And it's kind of surrounded by like Macrihannish Dunes is a newer course that has a crazy story as well. I think built in 2008. And then it's ringed by like a couple really charming nine-holers, Duniverti and Carradale. So Campbell Town, which is where Macrahannish is, is uh the only single town that is its own sort of whiskey appellation as well. So it's got Glen Scotia and it's got uh the other one escapes me, but it's actually like a very cool town to go spend two or three days in. And again, if you got that North American driving mindset, it's not too bad. So that's one that you know holds a special spot for both of us.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, four and a half hours. I'm in my same state. I haven't even left the state of Georgia in four and a half hours. That's an easy one. It sounds like that's a that's a that's an itinerary you should put out there as a rounder, right? You say, hey, you're gonna land, you're gonna drive four and a half hours, you're gonna spend three or four days and play all these cool courses. So what are some of the stuff? So let's say we did go to the edge of the world. What would we do off course? I mean, is it just you hang out at some random pub, or are there places that you guys have found that you're like, you've gotta stop here?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, there's I mean, it really depends on the region. Our kind of philosophy is that on like a 10 to 14 day trip, you should really focus on two golf regions. There's I kind of bucket it down to like five, six main golf regions in Scotland. It's because there is so much depth and so much variety that you don't have to like relocate every day. And I think depending on how much of the off-the-course stuff you want to do, it starts to dictate where you go. There's obviously like St. Andrews is a university town, first and foremost, right? So there's so much there for students and there's so much tourism in that in the region of Fife in general. Um, one of our favorite things to do, there's um there's local cricket games on the beach. They carve a cricket um pitch into the beach at Ely, and the locals play every week, every other weekend in the summer. And so, you know, there's things like that, and and depending what people are looking for, um, you know, if if you want to go see Loch Ness, obviously you're gonna you're gonna include the Highlands. And if you're really into into Scotch, you're you're gonna want to head up north as well. So it really just depends. But I think the thing that stands out is where there is a links course, there is a beach in Scotland, and the beaches are insane. Like we were, you know, posting pictures to our Instagram and people are like, oh, where are you, where'd you guys fly to? Thinking that you know we're somewhere tropical now or somewhere in the Mediterranean, and we're still in Scotland. So there's you know, beautiful, like white sand beaches basically everywhere. If you want to, you know, keep a morning off golf and you want to just take a coffee and go for a nice long walk, you basically can't go wrong.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, water's so cold, but very pretty good.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I was just about to ask, I'm pretty sure it's not quite the uh Mediterranean in terms of weather. Was there anything? I'm a foodie, I love to eat, honestly. I mean, uh, is there anything that you were like as you go along the country, you gotta try this one thing at every single stop? Because each group has their own space, has their own type.

SPEAKER_00

It's kind of two answers there. One is that like the pubby food is actually like very kind of the menus are very consistent. So you'll get I think Scotland or Scottish food gets kind of a like a bad rap. It's actually like quite good. It's just that like if you eat it in a pub 14 days straight, you're gonna eat a lot of like you know, macaroni and cheese and steak and ale pie and fish and chips, which is all very tasty. It's like sold trying different steak and ale pies and stuff is actually you could do a lot worse in terms of eating your way around, you know, the country. Um, so like trying those and and just getting like a local sense of like you know what some of like the top specials are on their menu, you don't go wrong. I was actually blown away, both in like the grocery store as well as on you know the actual menu at restaurant, how fresh and local like produce and and things like that is in Scotland. Like you go to um like Marks and Spencer's the one of like the main St. Andrews grocery stores there, and it's like all throughout the UK. And like the thing of strawberries says that they were you know grown in Perthshire, which is like an hour away. Like everything's actually it's a tiny country and everything's just like grown right there. And at restaurants, like you go and you'll have a piece of you know seafood that came out of the ocean like yesterday. So if you go sort of half a tier up from the pub, I thought the food was exceptional. Some of the best seafood I've ever eaten, really fresh, you know, whether it's like root vegetables or you know, um strawberries.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god, the strawberries in Scotland. They're like as big as your head, and they're you know, the organic ones are. It's like, yeah, the produce is no joke.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. I'm in. What are we doing? Yeah. It might maybe not uh not all those things on the days you're gonna go play 36, but uh yeah. Well, you guys posted today on your Instagram about uh a trip that coincides with the Walker Cup that's gonna be played at La Hinch uh there in Ireland. Uh Matt Adams uh on the golf channel had mentioned before La Hinch is one of his favorite courses there in Ireland. But tell us about the trip that you guys were kind of packaging around this event, and I know you do that for other events as well.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so I guess on top of the the custom trips where we're planning everything for you, uh the plan is at least once a year to host something as well. Um Nick and I were super fortunate last year. The Walker Cup came to the old course and uh and we got to go. And you know, in a year that was pretty well, where we had we had a lot of bucket list spectating experiences. You know, we we went to the Scottish Open, we got to see the Dunhill, of course. It's it's played right in fife. Um, and we went to the Ryder Cup on our way home as well. The Walker Cup stood out to us as like the be-all and all experience. Um, you know, it's 25 pounds to get in the door. Um, and there's at least at the old course, like no ropes, and you're competing with like 2,000 people, not 75,000 people, to see essentially professional golf. You know, these are guys that are like gonna turn pro in a month, maybe a year. And and so we were kind of breaking our Scotland focus, obviously, to take a trip to La Hinch, but we played La Hinch on our honeymoon week in Ireland. Um, like you said, like high on the charm factor, high on on Quirk, very, very cool venue. And one that couldn't host a lot. You know, there's it's a small piece of property and there's not room to build out like a probably even like an Irish open amount of infrastructure these days. And so when we learned that they're hosting the Walker Cup and we had this phenomenal experience, we thought, all right, let's let's expose more people to just how cool this is. So yeah, the plan is, you know, we're kind of making it an educated guess that most golf fans are gonna stick around in the southwest and play, you know, if they can't get on La Hinge itself, then play Valley Bunyan and Waterville and Tralee and all of that. And so we're gonna we're gonna ditch town once the Walker Cup wraps up and we're gonna dot the coastline north. Um, you know, put go play Carn and Rossapena and St. Patrick's Lynx and a few others, and then make our way into Northern Ireland. And the plan is to finish everything everything off at rural portrush and then fly home from there. So a bit of a a diversion from this Scotland focus, but we really could not resist going to the Walker Cup in La Hinch at Lahinch ourselves, and we figured why not take some folks with us.

SPEAKER_02

Sounds like you are gonna be the chaperones for this one.

SPEAKER_04

That one for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Nice chaperones and playing, I imagine.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, if we can uh if we can sneak our way into the tea times for that, I think that we're gonna make sure that we can.

SPEAKER_02

The host, the host always get to play. Come on, Gav. So beyond Ireland in 2026, what's next for East Sands Golf?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's a it's an interesting business to get into because it's so forward looking. So right now the trips that we've booked are all, you know, with the exception of our sort of delayed launch party in Gullen and in this September. Everything we're working on is for 2025. In 2025, we'll be working on 2026. And so it it uh it is sort of like a slow controlled build as we you know get the word out and get to work with more and more, you know, keen golfers and plan some really fun trips. We really mean it when we say we want to keep this operation small. Like, you know, people talk about scale a lot. I don't know, you know, if you if you work in tech or if you hear sort of like the whole tech conversations, like, oh, does it scale? Like, how does this grow to be a hundred person company, a 500 person company? How do we take it public? And like we we do enough of that type of thinking in our day jobs right now that like we we like we want to completely go to the opposite of that. We want to keep this thing small, work just the two of us, um, you know, actually do the work ourselves, like not get like some crazy overhead, you know, build out a sales team, build out, you know, some of the things that we could really, you know, we could probably do a lot more top line revenue without really moving bottom line revenue at all and creating a lot more headaches. So the part that's fun for us is getting to talk to golfers and build out cool itineraries. So we don't want to outsource that to a more junior member of the team. So uh what's next for us is hopefully planning a lot more really fun trips, you know, and getting to geek out about, yeah, like that's a great option, but so's this. And you know, it's almost like a bar type chat about like what's the best last course to add to the itinerary.

SPEAKER_02

And is that just reaching out through Instagram, website? How would somebody, if I say, hey, I want to go on a trip at the end of 2025, how would they reach out and start that conversation?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, they can email us. Um our Instagram is eSandsgolf co. Um, and there's our our email address is caddy at esandsgolf.co. Um so that's the easiest way to get in touch, but a DM on Instagram, a comment on Instagram, an email. We have a we do have a form on our website if people want to do that. Um but so far most people have just reached out and said, hey, you know, there's eight of us turning 60 next year and we want your help figuring out or something along those lines. And so um, yeah, it's it really any way that people want to come in the door, whether it's through Instagram, by email, or phone numbers on our website, you know, get in touch and we'll kind of take it from there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and you know who's gonna be taking care of you guys. You you've got you've created kind of a boutique travel company, which is really cool because y'all do it all. And I think what what stands out to me, Jonathan, maybe you agree is is the excitement that y'all have for doing it yourself, and that can translate well into helping somebody fulfill maybe a once-in-a-lifetime bucket trip, bucket list trip or something. That seems really cool that you guys are uh you guys are doing that. So yeah, we're excited about uh what y'all are doing with it. Um but let's ask now that we are let's get back to you guys playing golf. We ask everybody, I don't know if you heard Kyla doing this as well, but we ask everybody what is your most memorable golf shot? And you guys are really good, so you might have to think about it for a second.

SPEAKER_04

I have a good one off the top of my head, if and then you can you can think for a second. So I am notorious, I'm a admittedly a good golfer, and I am terrible at thinking on the golf course. I'm like totally a space cadet while I'm while I'm out there. Um and I routinely um shoot the wrong thing with my uh with my bushnell. And so last year we were playing golem number two one day early in the morning, just the two of us in the rain, and I hit a shot and and it kind of disappeared. You know, I'm I'm I'm thinking I'm 90 yards out. And um hit this little pitch shot up and and Nick's like, that went in the hole, and I was like, oh no, I gauged the wind wrong. That's way long. Turns out I was 20 yards off the yardage. I had gunned gorse bushes in the back. The wind was into not not with whatever, I forget the exact details, but the ball went in the hole, complete fluke. Like I thought I hit 110-yard punch shot, and I only needed to hit it 90. And it was memorable because obviously the ball went in the hole, and making an eagle from the fairway is always fun, but more so for Nick's reaction, he's like, that is that should not count as a one hole. You had no intention to hit the ball that far.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that reverse mulligan for sure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because I just lost a million dollars on that shot, dang it. What about you, Nick?

SPEAKER_00

My answer is honestly so punchable. Uh, I I never had a hole in one until last year. And uh I made two last year, and both of them. So we're lucky in Vancouver, especially by Canadian standards. We basically have like uh if you're Psycho, you can play 12 months of the year. It like, you know, reliably we have like a 10, 10 and a half month long golf season. And the first one was January 26th and teed off at two o'clock. Our home course is funny, it's kind of a front 11 and a back seven. So in the winter, you end up playing 11 holes and quitting a lot. And so on the second hole, I hit an eight-iron, it goes in, and suddenly it's like, well, we got to try to finish. And so like strap headlamps on and like try to finish in like the pitch black, and we did it. And then we go to Scotland for six months, we come back, and in November I played with buddies, Tiafit, I think.

SPEAKER_04

The same buddy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Same guy actually in the group, he's my good luck charm. And our tenth hole is a par three, so technically you can card a hole in one on a nine-hole round, and you know, you want to have the real scorecard and have it all filled out, but like it would count in nine holes. But on our tenth hole, I hit a shot and it literally never hit a blade of grass. It went from the T, hit the flag stick about two inches up, and it just went straight into the cup. And it's super not legit suddenly if we don't finish that round. So my one friend had to bail the other one. We dumped half of our bags at the turn and literally ran the back nine or the back seven. We played the last seven holes in about 45 minutes. Yeah, we said yeah, so in both cases, finishing in like the pitch black just to get it in. But uh, yeah, that's my my most memorable, you know, 1A and 1B. Those are good memories. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's good stuff. We still don't have our hole in one. We have ran because of lightning, but we've got our hole in one. Yeah. All right. Well, we like to do a thing we call the quick nine, so we're gonna go back and forth. As I always say, you can be as loquacious as you prefer, or you can be short-winded too. So the first one, this is gonna be hard. There's no way this is gonna be an easy question. Favorite course that you've played?

SPEAKER_00

So we the cop-out answer here is that like there's like five courses that are impossible to separate. You'll get a different answer out of us at any time, whatever. Like the top tier is truly like that good. What we've landed on is our top answer, is Royal Port Rush. And the reason for that was that we got uh there's a member at our home course who's an international member at Port Rush, and he introduced us to a Port Rush member who took us out that day. And on the first T, he's like, Oh, you're gonna love our friend Garth. Uh like in two minutes warning, he goes, He's got great stories. He was the captain of the Walker Cup, he played in the Masters, like he, you know, he won the British Am twice. And so it's like, what? Like, honestly, like never heard of this guy, and then all of a sudden I'm like starstruck and nervous on the first T. And he's telling us stories like uh just the the degree of hospitality. We ended up going out for dinner with our host that night and and had like a great night out in the town in Port Rush. So between the the course, how spectacular it was, sort of easily in that top tier, and just like the day we had, Port Rush is always our answer. For both of you?

SPEAKER_04

Honestly, yeah, that was a pretty I like to say I'm glad that Nick was there with me because I get to rank it ahead of our wedding day. Otherwise, I think honor. Um but we we got a lot of flack. We got back from from Scotland and people, you know, all that's like the number one question. What's your top course? And we named a course in Northern Ireland. And people are like, what the hell? Six months in Scotland, and you're not even naming a special course. I mean, it's tough. Like for me on any given day, rural Dornik's right up there as well. North Berwick is pretty special, and we love honestly, we love London. Like, if you could teleport us tomorrow to go play any golf course in the world, I think at least you know, one of seven times we would choose to go play our home course. There's some pretty special memories there too.

SPEAKER_01

All right. Well, you played a lot. Is there a course that still sits at the top of your bucket list?

SPEAKER_04

I think for me it's uh here in Canada. I'd love to make it out. We haven't been out to Cabot in in Nova Scotia, Cape Red Island. So hopefully at some point we did take off Cabot Highlands, um, Castle Stewart last year, but I think Cabot is really high on my list right now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'm trying to there's a couple other um courses we didn't make it to an island that I'm really interested in. There's a chance that uh alongside a sort of day job work trip uh in about six weeks that we might be able to get on um a course or two just outside of London. So um whether that's you know Sunningdale old or new or some of the the Heathland courses just outside of of uh of London are pretty special. So um top of my mind like Sunningdale old and new is a 36 hole day that would be pretty high up on the list that I'm excited to tick off as soon as I can. That sounds like fun.

SPEAKER_02

We're gonna narrow down the focus here. Favorite course was difficult. What is your favorite golf hole in Scotland? We'll ignore Ireland this time. Let's go to Scotland.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I there's I think it's like a a Bobby Jones quote or something that's like if if you say that you like the old course after the first time you played it you're lying and if you you know you don't like it after 10 times you're an idiot something along those lines I probably screwed up the quote a little bit. The old course we've had the chance to play it twice. Uh it's you know it's not the easiest ticket in town but it's worth it when you can get it. And the I mean there's 10 on the course that you know are are hard to pick between but that stretch of like 16 17 18 coming in that you've seen in the open and that you you have memories of Tiger and you know Rory's heartbreak a couple years ago and stuff like that. I don't know that there's so many exceptional holes but that's one of like those moments that's kind of hard to beat what about you I think there's kind of there's honestly two that come to mind to me.

SPEAKER_04

14 at Cruden Bay with the bathtub green is just one of the most unique holes that you can play. You kind of crest this hill you're hitting a blind shot into the green and you get down there and have no idea what to expect and whatever it is that you do expect it's not what you have. That one's really cool. And I would say is it 15 at North Berwick? Where's the stonewall or is that earlier I think it's 13 or 14 yeah there's just I hadn't Nick had played it before me and so I'd heard about this whole for like two years maybe longer probably like four years and finally getting to play it and um that was pretty special.

SPEAKER_01

There was a lot of house household hype around that one so it was a month very nice all right give us a course in Scotland that never has hosted the open that you think should host it. And it doesn't have to be like you were saying like somewhere that can't doesn't have the facility or space to do it but like what would be a really cool course to host I'm trying to think like what are the ones um that I think would be a great test and I don't know would be fun to watch golf on is Western Gales just around the corner from where uh the open was this year at Troon.

SPEAKER_00

It's part of like that stretch of I won't be able to rattle them off the top of my head but there's basically 11 golf courses that are more or less touching all in a row from like um Kilmarnock and Troon and and Presswick and Presswick St. Nicholas and Western Gales is in that list. And that's one of the ones that is you know kind of high up there on the maybe not hidden gems but like it's not on the tip of people's tongues alongside like Carnoostie and Mearfield and the old and like sort of that like 1A type of tier. And it's um I'm not sure if it's long enough to you know totally um hold up to the highest highest level of the game but I think it's a place that would be pretty fun to watch some high level golf on.

SPEAKER_02

Alright. Who would be in your dream for some you can exclude each other. That way you get three a piece.

SPEAKER_00

I I uh I always joke that Rory McElroy is my favorite sports team and it's like I'm a Toronto Maple East fan and like I'm just like I'm just a glutton for punishment. It's like I would be just you know if I was bigger into basketball and if I maybe if I were American I'd be like a Knicks fan too like I'm just like I like the teams that just get punched in the face a lot. So uh Rory is like my guy he's always been my guy so he'd be in my list. One like maybe my other favorite golfer is I think Charlie Hull on the LPGA tour is hilarious. I think she is like I don't know if she like means to be but she is like one of the funniest people on the planet. She's like we watched we went to the KPMG um women's PGA in at Sahali. It's like three hours south of where we live uh it was in June and she is just she walks 250 yards ahead of her group and her caddy she's just like fidgety she we saw her like drop a ball on a T box with like with no T on a par three and just like chunk it 40 yards short into the water like she's just like a birdie in double bogey factory. She posts herself wearing like fake Louis Vuitton leggings and like Louis Vuitton sunglasses like while playing practice rounds on her Instagram like I just think that she is like the one of the most fascinating athletes like I think she's hilarious. So I would want her to my foresome and then I'll say Haley too.

SPEAKER_02

Wow rampic hat he even had the the option of not including you. Yeah no pressure three people that are gonna beat him all right pressure's on to include Nick.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah I think I'll try to go beyond who Nick has has named um I think I mean we're both big Max Homa fans hard not to like the guy we admittedly I know you guys are Americans so apologies but we were cheering for Europe at the Ryder Cup. We kind of had to we were like pretending to be Scottish um and Max Homa was the the exception to the rule. It's like impossible not to cheer for the guy. We saw that chip in Holland on on 15 and it was like the talk about the coolest golf shot ever. So I'd say Max is is high up there um borrowing from from Nick's LPGA list to Nellie Corda like again hard not to like her I can only imagine I play better golf watching her tempo for 18 holes and I think my if it I'll say if it wasn't Nick in the fourth spot I have a big crush on Martin Kymer and I have for a long time.

SPEAKER_01

I know that's a niche choice but I think I'd have to give a spot to Martin Kymer man no no Canadians or Scottish golfers have made the list.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah maybe Bobby McIntyre uh honorable mention I'm a I'm a lefty like him and you know Scottish golfer. He's looking double quota there.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah all right Jonathan's favorite uh question wants to know and we talked about food earlier what's the favorite snack on the golf course oh man I was thinking about this earlier when when Nick was asked answering your food question when the first time we played the old course we discovered that they sell macaroni pie. These are like little handheld like savory pies filled with macaroni and cheese at the St. Andrews Lynx Trust courses that is a life changing experience. I don't know if I could do it every day and still walk the golf course but that's what comes to mind macaroni pie.

SPEAKER_02

Do they have a cart that brings it out to you during the round like they do it like if we had that in America they would just like put that on the hot side of the cart and just bring that out and let us try it. I'd eat that all day long every third hole.

SPEAKER_00

The uh the only beverage cart I remember seeing in all of Scotland was on Carnoostie because Carnoostie is either it's like technically a dry county or something like that. So they're not actually like allowed to sell like liquor alcohol in any way on the golf course but they have this like it'd be like a mobile coffee cart or like a food truck that they had on like the seventh T or something like that. But um no the a couple courses will have like a like a turn stand or whatever. Most of them are out and back links so you don't actually return until 18 but some of them that do have like that nine return to the clubhouse type of routing though you know that's where you can get your Macaroni Pi.

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Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02

I'm so hungry. I haven't had dinner yet so I really do want some Macroani. Now I want that. All right uh what is your favorite golf course logo?

SPEAKER_04

That's a great question. I'm curious Nick's Nick's like the Nick has a very strong point of view on logos and also collects we have I think like up to 71 hats between us or something like that. So I'm curious to hear what your answer is I don't know like how uh I don't know how like original it is.

SPEAKER_00

All these places I haven't played or like even sniffed by the way but like some of the classics that are probably on the tip of everyone's tongue like Marion is an insanely good logo Fisher's Island uh like Sleepy Hollow I've always been partial to with like the headless horseman I think is really like sweet. I like classic logos like that that have a little bit of character and and kind of stand out on a hat or on a polo or something. I think one of the things that like I have sort of a dream on consulting for some of these uh UK courses is that they've got these really great traditional crests but they don't do a great job from like a marketing perspective of like taking elements out of that crest and putting it on merch. So like they sell the whole crest and it's like this big on the front of your hat and it's like oh no like there's a squirrel in your logo just just put a squirrel on the hat or like shrink that down a little bit like it can't be like the entire size of my peck. Like it's got to be like a little bit smaller on the polo. So any uh any Lynx courses that want me to consult as a you know amateur brand uh guru you know hit me up that's a great idea great idea all right what's the favorite club in each of your bags Hilly's gonna say her seven would and she's right to say it I love my driving iron I have a like a three iron 20 degree it's like a Strixon you know forgiving head with like a graphite shaft in it. And uh over the last couple years I've learned to you know kind of hit it and having an option to get out there sort of 220 carry sort of 235 or so total it's like it's become a nice little security blanket on a par four when I just when it feels it feels like a little bit tight and I need to get something out there I used to not really have an option for that. So that's quickly becoming my favorite clubs.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah I think you're right. Someone's pretty good I I like you know I I don't hit the ball I I like to play a longer T. I like to play like the whites or blues or whatever the equivalent is in a course but the reality is I hit the ball like 230, 235. So that often does mean that I have some meat left on the bone, especially on longer par fours and I put the seven in the bag last year. It just I can't miss it. And it it also is like coming in from a pretty high angle um angle of attacks or descent descent sorry so it it actually like holds a green you know if I if I need something that's I'm 200 out and I need to land and hold a par four that's kind of my my go to.

SPEAKER_01

No if you're if you're really good it is the angle of attack because you're attacking the pins.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe I should get a seven wood. I hit irons off the T so maybe I should find a seven wood or something to give me a little bit more length. You need one of those driving irons I would love to have a driving iron.

SPEAKER_00

I think that'd be a lot of fun yeah all right last question uh finish this sentence the best thing about lynx golf is options what do you mean by options there's very very few courses in Scotland that you couldn't play with a five iron and a putter if you wanted to like there's no such thing except for like the most modern you know newly built links of like a forced carriage our friend Molly came and visited us she is a she's a member of a golf course she's a keen golfer like you know a dozen times a year something like that. She's like a 34 handicap and she was intimidated and we played the Eden course in St. Andrews which is an awesome sort of uh add-on that people should think about it's like what is it 65 pounds yeah and your next field course it's yeah it's Harry Colt who built it who's done a lot of like the top work including like building Mirfield it's got great hair like it's got one of the stupidest holes in Scotland and apart from that it's like excellent. She played it and she was intimidated the wind blew that day it was like we love to exaggerate about wind but it was like a legit 20 25 mile an hour wind type of day and you know she's like more comfortable with her six iron than with her driver and so she's hitting six iron off the T sort of topping it thinning it and it just runs for 150 yards and she's like that's great like she could get around this course she could hit her six iron twice and then hit a pitch and she'd have a par putt whereas she's like man the course I play like if you don't hit it 60 yards in the air at least which doesn't sound like that much but when you're a beginner that's not always a given then you're in like long grass and then I have to like pick it up and take it up to the fairway and it the fact that you can play a low shot you can play a high shot you know you can if you want to and you have a death wish you can take your lob wedge out and try to nip it off really really like you know tight lies or you can you know basically putt from off the green with a hybrid. It kind of unlocks creativity. You get a little bit less ego driven with your club selection and sometimes it is a six iron from 135 yards because you're dead into the wind and it needs to stay low. And uh having those options to play with is fun. It's a little bit less like oh I'm 170 yards away I hit seven iron because that's what the number says.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah I would say quirk. Links golf is is quirky. We often say I think it's easy to play a North American golf course and talk about like a gimmicky hole. And you know we're the first to complain about them if there really is like a silly a silly golf hole in the middle of a good course. But the reality is in Scotland like you have to embrace it. There's hidden pot bunkers off the tee you can hit what you think is the the absolute perfect drive down the middle and wind up basically like trying desperately to get a ball just back on the fair way to play for bogey. We often we do encourage our customers when they're heading to Scotland for the first time like be open minded to quirk golf in Scotland is not fair. We're not trying to play fair golf the way that you know we maybe wrap our heads around here you've got to just be you've got to love the quirk to love golf in Scotland.

SPEAKER_01

Man six iron and a putter I'm in you talking Jonathan's love website mac and cheese six irons putters what are we talking about? Yeah Jonathan will be calling y'all soon don't worry yeah yeah I don't drink beer which I think may be my downfall whenever I because it sounds like you probably have to like beer a lot of places but I could double up a macaroni and cheese for sure there you go just your calories on the that's right very nice guys Nick Haley it's been uh a lot of fun getting to know uh both of you guys excited what y'all are doing with eSAN's golf co i did see this quote on your website not only do they know golf but they know how to experience a place so I highly recommend anybody out there that is thinking about planning to do a Scotland golf trip their options but go check out eSands golf co Nick and Haley will be the ones taking care of you and they know what they're talking about. So give them a shout you can check out eastSands Golf Co and then on Instagram eastSands Golf Co or the Million Dollar Match on Instagram as well so Nick Haley thank you all for joining us uh today on the whole story podcast yeah thanks so much for having us that was a blast you guys thanks so much absolutely well for Jonathan this is Robbie and this has been another episode of the whole story podcast

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