Episode 155: You're Putting What On Your Body? The Art of Respectful Tattooing with Kara Harrison

What if getting a tattoo was more than just an exercise in pain tolerance, but an empowering experience steeped in respect, care, and deep connection? In this episode, Kara, an illustrative tattoo artist, shares her unique vision to redefine the tattoo industry by focusing on the client's experience, both physically and emotionally. respectful and comfortable environment.

Kara emphasizes how a great tattoo experience goes beyond the ink and resonates with clients for years.  So, join us as we challenge the status quo and envision a more client-centered future for the tattoo industry.

Follow Kara on IG here at @crashing.cadence

Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:12

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Speaker 2: 1:16

Women for Women. Welcome to the Balance and Bliss Podcast. I'm your host, andrea Mondu, a three-time published author, speaker and a lifestyle transformation coach who believes everyone should be given the gift of knowing how to live their lives, feeling healthy and empowered. Things like moving your body regularly and feeling it well, taking care of your mind, setting boundaries, practicing self and body, acceptance, personal growth, manifestation and everything in between. Wellness is not linear and it's not just one thing. It expands into so many areas and on this show we're going to talk about just that. We're all striving to live a little more healthy and a little more well, but what does that even mean? My goal is to help you see that you can move from the mundane to the magic when it comes to living aligned and fulfilled, and by tuning in each week you can be assured you'll leave with nuggets of wisdom that you can implement into your day to day, like right now, to help you maximize your health, wellness and your life.

Speaker 2: 2:23

Now let's dive in. You will welcome back to the Balance and Bliss Podcast. We're here for another week and another episode, and we're going to have a good chat. Today we are chatting with a friend that I met in LA, and this is the second one. Naomi was on the show a couple of weeks ago, and now Cara is here to hang out with me today. So I'm just going to say why don't you introduce yourself to everybody?

Speaker 1: 2:55

Oh, my goodness, okay, the pressure. I'm Cara. I'm an illustrative tattoo artist. I work on Vancouver Island in up in Canada, and my mission, besides just doing lovely art day in, day out, is to change the standards of service and care in the tattoo industry. I want people to have beautiful art and beautiful experiences to go along with it.

Speaker 2: 3:22

Yeah, and you know, as I was thinking about like us getting together and chatting today, it just it got me so excited because I think that, like, getting a tattoo is already a really fucking permanent decision and you're going to remember that moment for the rest of your life. And you know, one of the things that we don't often think about, that you are thinking about and I feel like you're almost like creating this, like you said, this new desire for, like a new standard of what it should be like to actually get a tattoo. I just get really excited about it, because anything that has to do with you getting to like make your own choice and be made to feel comfortable and not feel like you have to like rush a decision or whatever anything like that, I think, is I'm totally here for it, yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:15

I think you're right on the money with that because, like, yeah, tattooing people worry themselves about finding like a clean shop, somewhere they're going to be safe and, you know, getting like the right artist, maybe for the right kind of artwork, but they're not necessarily. They don't necessarily realize that they can also be looking for the right like personality and the right kind of person to like take care of them and like guide them through that process. Because it is like deeply intimate going to see someone for something like this. It's personal, it's forever and that experience is very much created between those two people. So if it's a mismatch of personalities or if that person just doesn't like respect and care about that process or the experience that you're getting, that can really take away from the finished piece and how you feel about it and ultimately about your body, because that's where your tattoo lives right.

Speaker 2: 5:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:05

Yeah, it can have a huge impact on the way you feel about yourself, for good or for bad.

Speaker 2: 5:08

Well, literally I'm thinking about I have this tattoo on my wrist that I got with my sister when I was 18, when I was old enough to get it and not have to ask anybody else's permission, and the guy who did it was really grumpy, like he was very, he was very like miserable. And you know, we're like these two girls like wanting to get these tattoos, and we were like excited and giddy and you know, and it just like that's one thing that I remember about the experience. So, okay, can you? I feel like I want to start from, not the beginning, but like how did you, how did this idea come about Of like wanting to just like make experiences better for people?

Speaker 1: 5:54

Okay. So I feel like the seed of that, of that idea, was planted several years ago and it's only just more recently that I've kind of like realized wait, this is like a real thing I can work on. So I was traveling with with my two best friends. We were all in the UK to to travel, but we specifically took a day out of the trip to go and get tattooed by these artists we really enjoyed, and two of us we were all three getting tattooed on the same day by three different artists. So different, different styles, different, you know, things we were looking to have. We all walked out with beautiful artwork and very different experiences.

Speaker 1: 6:30

Me and my one friend felt like we had had an amazing time and we loved.

Speaker 1: 6:34

We loved the tattoos we got, we loved the time that we spent with our artists and it was magic. And when we got on the train to head back to our room, we sat down, all you know, in a tizzy of excitement and our third first crying on the train because she felt that her artist didn't care about the piece that they were doing together, had just slapped it together at the last minute, just like, oh yeah, this we're getting whatever. Like just gave her, and who's to say how the artist felt about the piece actually, but the the idea that my friend walked away with was that this artist kind of just had to do this piece, had to appease her, and that she really wasn't into it and it absolutely tainted the way she felt about the tattoo. She couldn't see it as being this beautiful piece. It was just this really negative experience and it took her a long time to get over that. It's a beautiful tattoo but she did not feel beautiful wearing it.

Speaker 2: 7:29

That's really sad.

Speaker 1: 7:30

It is yeah, and so I I always held that with me, kind of aware like how much my energy could impact the way my client walked away. And so, particularly because I the story you said about you know being these two young little 18 year olds yeah, you tattooed with this grumpy guy. I've heard that story over and over and over again. It's so common, especially like we're around the same age and so you know, when you go back to like yearly 2000,.

Speaker 1: 7:59

Yearly 2010s and like yeah, it was just a bunch of grumpy old dudes doing these tattoos and that's often where girls would end up because they didn't know how to find anything better or there wasn't a lot more available for them at the time.

Speaker 1: 8:10

And so, like I really love particularly when people come to me for their very first tattoo, because I feel like there is a tone that I can set for them and a standard that I can set for them for the whole rest of their life. They're not going in thinking I guess this is what tattooing is and I guess this is what I have to accept. I can raise the bar for them and that bar will always be raised from them after that, because they will know that they deserve to be respected, that they deserve to have their enthusiasm met and appreciated, that their designs are not silly or frivolous or, you know, even if it's like the most quintessential, classic, 18 year old tattoo on the planet, it's like it's still very exciting to that person and I always match that excitement and to be there with them.

Speaker 1: 8:59

And if I cannot do that, then I decline the piece and let somebody else do it, because they deserve to have a good time and I should be able to either provide it or allow them to move on.

Speaker 2: 9:10

That's so beautiful because really like, yeah, okay, so we're here talking about getting tattoos, but you're getting these tattoos on your body and so therefore, automatically it becomes like a really vulnerable experience where you are putting the trust of your vessel into somebody else's hands and that you know if you have a hard time trusting somebody or if you're feeling a little bit uncomfortable or like it's almost just like this standard, which obviously you're trying to break, is it's like well, you just have to, like this is what it is, and if you want a tattoo like this is the kind of experience that you have to go into. But you're saying, like you know, it shouldn't be like that. It really is like a relationship that you're having with that person, right?

Speaker 1: 9:59

Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 1: 10:00

Even if you only see them one time in your life for those few minutes or hours, you know however long it takes to do your tattoo.

Speaker 1: 10:07

Like that is a relationship that you're forging together and a very important one, and so, yeah, when you're going there, whether or not you need to remove clothing to access the part you're being tattooed, whether or not you have to sit there for a long time, whether or not it hurts, it is a very vulnerable experience, and so knowing that, knowing that you deserve to have a good experience and feel safe and comfortable, is really good.

Speaker 1: 10:32

But then also from the artist perspective, it's like you like find, like realizing that you set the tone and you can make it a good or bad experience. You can make it comfortable or uncomfortable based on the way that you act and conduct yourselves and how you carry the room. So I think it's the real responsibility of the artist to like learn more about that, and so I want to do that. But I also want to like show other people how to do that and kind of like I know there's other people that are excited about these things too and kind of want to make this like new world, this kind of, you know, new generation of tattoo artists, who who care about these things and who make these efforts and, like I, want to pull all those people together and forward so that we can sort of like, create the standard and inform, like you, like the people getting the tattoos that, like you, deserve this and you should go out and find it.

Speaker 2: 11:21

Well, and I didn't even think about which I don't know why, because that's a part of the process is, like you know, sometimes it can be painful depending on, like, where you're getting it, and I would imagine that and you can correct me if I'm wrong like, does some of that have to do with the artists, like the way that they're holding like the needle or that sort of thing, like, can they control how painful it is to a certain degree In a small way, like there are many, many factors that go into how you experience like the like, the physical pain of the tattoo there's, like like what part of the body it's on, what kind of a like how your body is prepared that day.

Speaker 1: 11:59

If you show up exhausted, on, you know, one cup of coffee in your in your tank and you haven't eaten anything all day and you're hungover, like obviously everything's going to feel like terrible, you know.

Speaker 3: 12:10

Right.

Speaker 1: 12:11

If you are like different parts of the month will be more or less painful, like the body changes, everything has to do like everything comes together to kind of create how you experience that day. But yeah, the artists too. Like they can work, they can make decisions within the way that they work. That does impact your pain and that doesn't mean they can make your pain go away, like it's just there. It's part of the process, it's part of the process.

Speaker 1: 12:36

There's some things they can do, but I feel like more so than the physical techniques they use to tattoo, I think that the emotional techniques they bring into the room will affect your experience more.

Speaker 2: 12:44

That's what I was just thinking, yeah.

Speaker 1: 12:47

They create space for you to have breaks, to be like sitting or lying in a more or less comfortable position, if they can provide pillows, bolsters, like there's all kinds of things that they can do to make you more physically comfortable, which will help with your pain. If they make time for snacks, they make sure that you're taking water breaks. That you know. Okay, we're all going to go hydrate now, as opposed to waiting for you to cue them somehow.

Speaker 1: 13:11

That you're thirsty Like you might never do that, so it's like you have to wait for them and be like okay, now it's time for a break. Did you bring your snack, let's snack now. Like making sure that you're prompting them to take care of themselves, because, especially if it's very painful, they're not necessarily in a great frame of mind to be taking care of themselves. So you got to help.

Speaker 2: 13:30

Yeah, yeah, okay. So I'm really excited for an update, because the last time that I saw you in April, I think, if I remember correctly the foundation was just being poured for this beautiful new space that you are saying hey, I want to create this experience, so I'm just going to fucking build a place for myself, right? Like is that that's still happening.

Speaker 1: 13:55

That is still in progress. So, okay, like I had no idea what went into making a building, like we're physically building a building from from the ground, not even from the ground up, from beneath the ground up. Last I saw you, we had just gotten, we'd gotten our building permit and we had just they had like dug a giant hole in my yard and we're starting to pour the foundation and we are just now it's it's August. So what's that? May, june, july, like four months later, we are just about to the conclusion of the foundation stage.

Speaker 1: 16:08

There's like 800 steps inside the foundation.

Speaker 1: 16:12

Oh my gosh All moving along and soon we'll be framing and doing exciting things. So, yeah, I can't wait to have this space where I can like really really create these amazing experiences for people, because I will be able to have like like a full of it's. It's not a large space, it's a nice little room for for one person to work out of, but it'll just be me and that one person creating everything within the space together, which can include the temperature, the music, the way the room smells or doesn't smell. You know, all these things can kind of be curated for this person and for like for their experience.

Speaker 2: 16:51

That's one of the things that I was going to ask. Is that, like because obviously everybody would want their experience to be different, like some people want to be talked to and some people are probably like I'll just lay here quietly. So like, how, like, what sort of questions would you ask to help to curate that like perfect tattoo experience for somebody?

Speaker 1: 17:13

I okay, I love that question. So that's something I've been really working on. So I've been thinking about that a lot because right now I have an intake form that relates to the artwork. You know, that's all in. You know all the different questions I need to ask to kind of get a sense of like, okay, who are you, how do I refer to you, how do I contact you and what is it that you want for your tattoo, and that's all very thorough and I'm very. You know, I really like that process.

Speaker 1: 17:39

But what I would like to do with the studio is create a secondary form, like a.

Speaker 1: 17:45

I guess it would probably go out with the waiver, you know, a day or two before the appointment, like the waiver form sort of explaining all the details, getting into, kind of like, you know, sign their life away. But I think that could be in conjunction with another intake form, that kind of inquires about some of those preferences and some of those things that they want. So I've sort of been like taking notes anytime it occurs to me oh, this is a point where I could have asked a good question. You know when somebody says to me oh, it's so chilly in here, and then they're trying to cuddle up in their sweater. I'm thinking that's a good point. That should be on the intake form, kind of getting a sense of do you run cold? Do you run hot? How should I prepare the room for you? Yeah, so anytime I have these moments where somebody's expressing a need that either is or isn't getting met, that gives me a new idea about something I can ask in advance.

Speaker 1: 18:32

So that I can just be there with the junior rye of.

Speaker 2: 18:34

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 18:35

Because they should have a chance to be there. But I mean, when it's five different artists working in five different clients, it's like of course we can't just change the temperature all over the place. It's not reasonable.

Speaker 2: 18:43

We try to do the proper internship.

Speaker 1: 18:44

So that's something unique I'll be able to do.

Speaker 2: 18:47

But that's so cool because imagine showing up for your tattoo appointment and your favorite artist is playing in the tattoo shop and they're diffusing your favorite smell, or they have a little vase of your favorite flowers I'm thinking big here, but it's like and then you get there and there's a snack that you said you like or a drink that they enjoy All of these small things it would feel, it would just create such a beautiful experience and it would just feel so like. I think as people, we're all looking for opportunities that we can feel loved and taken care of and that would create such a beautiful memory and such a warm experience and interaction for you and the person.

Speaker 1: 19:37

Yeah, I agree, and I use that word a lot actually is caring for people is I want to do as many acts of care as I can within the tattoo experience. So it's like, yeah, I'm probably going to hurt you a little, that's built in. But, there's a lot of other stuff that I can do to make sure that you feel safe and cared for and that the experience is, overall, wildly positive.

Speaker 2: 20:01

So when we were in you know this, but for not everybody who's listening knows this but when we were in LA, me and Naomi went and got a tattoo and I remember so it wasn't my first one. So I went first and did the placement and I was like, yep, that's cool, like I'm fine with that. And they're like are you sure? Like, are you sure? If you don't, like, that's where it is, we can take it off and try again, and I would imagine that. And then, of course, naomi, it was her first one, and so she asked for a bit more placements to make sure it was in the right way. And the artist not once did he make it seem like it wasn't in convenience, that like, oh, you're making me like, wipe it off and move it again.

Speaker 2: 20:45

Because, like we were saying earlier, like this is something that's going to be staying on your body forever and so, in terms of using your voice and being able to speak up to the artist and say, hey, can you move it a millimeter this way, because that feels good to me, like what a way to show people like that they have autonomy over their body still, even when they're like an experience that is very much being really led by the artist.

Speaker 1: 21:10

Yeah, and I remember thinking that when, because I came and visited yeah, you know that, but the people don't. Yeah, kara randomly.

Speaker 2: 21:17

Well, actually even funnier story. So Naomi and I are in the shop and your husband, right, yeah yeah, he like walked by Owen, is it Owen? Yeah, yeah, he walked by and then came into the shop and was like oh, hey guys, you're here. Like what are the chances that he just walks by at that time? So then he calls you at the hotel, so then you come down. Anyway, it was so crazy.

Speaker 1: 21:40

So many like little serendipitous things that happened. I know he's just like I'm going to go for a walk and then I get this text. He's just like so he's like Naomi and Andrea getting a tattoo. You should come down. I was like what are you talking about? How did you find them?

Speaker 2: 21:57

It was so weird.

Speaker 1: 21:59

But yeah, I remember really, really enjoying the way that your artist interacted with both of you, and particularly with Naomi, because when I showed up you had your tattoo already, and so I thought that was fantastic, that there was no perception, no ego in there of just like well, I just did it for you. And now why are you complaining? It was all about creating this beautiful experience for them and making sure that they felt comfortable to move the piece, to ask for whatever it was that was needed in that moment, which was really great.

Speaker 2: 22:31

And the hospitality was awesome too.

Speaker 1: 22:33

It was. It was so chilly it was. It was really lovely, everyone was super friendly and it was like a really lovely time. But I think that that's another thing that artists can definitely do for their clients is you can make sure that you make a safe space to have that feedback and do those things. You can tell when your artist is annoyed that you're moving the stencil for the second time, or when your artist is annoyed that you want it to be bigger or smaller, maybe a different color, whatever it is, and making sure that, even if you were annoyed, even if, for whatever reason, you're like oh, I'm so annoyed that this thing, this minor inconvenience that takes 1 and 1 half minutes to fix what horror is happening, that you don't have to display that to your clients and you should be able to To prioritize, like, their feelings and their autonomy over top of, like your own ego and your own interest in doing it, your special way, because you are a service provider and that is an important thing to remember within the, within this industry, like, yeah, creating something for this person, and if your Self-worth is so caught up in the particulars of your design and the choices that you've made that you can't create space for the other person.

Speaker 1: 23:49

You need to look at yourself and maybe, like, do some work on that, because I know that happens a lot in the industry, where people get really like we're art it. You know, I hear that a lot from Clients talking about oh, and then they, they, they wanted to do it. I wanted this change, but they didn't. They wouldn't accept that change. Or I asked if we could do it this way and they said no. And it's like well, did they say no because there was a real valid reason? Or did they say no because they just couldn't handle the Idea of not doing it their exact, perfect way, right, yeah, so there's a lot you can do to make sure that people like can be a part of the experience in that way and so Would you say that there has been or not?

Speaker 2: 24:32

maybe has been, but is there, do you see, from your perspective, like a shift Happening in the industry, of more people kind of banding together and saying like this is the, this is the perception of the industry and this is what we are doing to like, combat that yeah, like absolutely. Tell me more.

Speaker 1: 24:55

So I am in the very fortunate position of working on On a lovely island that is like sort of like a creative haven for art people. So there are tons of great shops and tons of great artists where I live, and so I know a lot of people who are definitely Definitely like leaning more in that direction of being more service oriented and and who cared very much about their clients and about, you know, creating good, creating opportunities for their clients to express their autonomy, creating opportunities for their clients to have these, these really beautiful experiences. And I Don't want to generalize too much, but I feel like when you imagine or when I hear stories of these artists who wouldn't make the change, you know, wouldn't make the changes, or were you know rude or were you know whatever, 95% of the time it's just like some grumpy old dude, you know. And so I feel like creating more space within the industry for a more diverse Representation in the artist creates space for more people within the client's how, which is really important.

Speaker 2: 26:06

Yeah, again, it increases that like comfort ability of hey, if I, if I see myself here, if I feel Welcomeed or if I feel like I'm gonna be safe here then, then that's going to Make people want to and, let's face it, like a lot of people have tattoos and a lot of people are getting tattoos and more people are getting tattoos, and I think that like the whole tattooing and putting art on your body is something that's becoming more Mainstream.

Speaker 2: 26:38

I guess, like you know, I think historically people that had tattoos were like taboo and people have like this perception of what it means. If you have a tattoo and you put ink on your body and you know who you are as a person, like what that meant about you, and so then there's like that assumption of what that then like the people who would do that to other people, what you know, like it's just like a cycle, right, and I, I, I feel like there's a shift happening. But there's a lot of people that have tattoos that are probably thinking about their tattoo experiences when they're listening to this and being like, well, shit, I wish I had like a cara near me that I could, that I could have gone and like gotten my tattoo from.

Speaker 1: 27:20

Well, it's like maybe you do but you didn't know to look. You know, or maybe maybe you didn't then but maybe you do now, because that is opening up a lot more. And I feel like, particularly in the last. I've been in the industry for 10 years and so I feel like, particularly in the last five or 10 years, there's been this enormous shift of more, more shops that are Women owned, more shops that are queer owned, more shops that are trans owned, more shops that are BIPOC owned, like more places where the people who are providing the service have perhaps a little bit more awareness of these things and are taking care of like Everyone, like their people and everyone else.

Speaker 1: 28:00

So it's, um, and that's those are the kind of shops that I, that I work at, and so it's it's great to find more places like that and more people like that. But I think it's it started, honestly, with a lot of people becoming interested in tattooing because it's becoming more mainstream and more popular, but then deciding that they were gonna sit around necessarily and wait for a Grumpy old man to decide they were worthwhile to be in this industry. Right, there are a lot of shops that are, you know, that are opening up kind of against the traditions that you know maybe existed 20 years ago, that are just like forging their own paths and like that's. That's, I think, the new, that's the new thing that's coming forth right now. That's the new kind of like wave of artists, less of like a biker shop and more of like a beauty boutique.

Speaker 2: 28:50

But I'm envisioning in my mind. So what do you foresee your like when your shop is open? Walk us through like the dream of what it looks like, what it's gonna be like. Take us there before we leave today.

Speaker 1: 29:13

So you, you park your car, you get out and you walk through. You walk through a beautiful garden is. The first part is the shop is located on my property. So you walk kind of like around the house through the gardens into the backyard and there's this beautiful building. Back there you go into big, bright glass double doors that open up with lots of light. In the space there's a little couch and table with snacks. There's like a little setup. I with like a little coffee machine, little like drinky station, whatever you know, whatever it is that you'd like to have. There's a little station set up for you to put all your things your coat, your shoes, your music, your cup of water, whatever it is that you need. Next to the station, the room smells nice, the temperature is perfect, the music that you love is already playing in a curated playlist that you've selected or sort of indicated that you might be interested in in advance.

Speaker 1: 30:15

We decide halfway through the appointment. You want to change it? Sure, we can change that by voice. We can pause, we can break anytime. We can sit on the couch and eat our snacks. We can look out the window at the flowers oh my gosh. Whatever we want to do and create like a magical experience, so that by the time your tattoo is done you have all of these core memories that affect all your senses. Because that's how we store memories right has a lot to do with you. Know you ever like smell something and you're like I'm in the seventh grade, I'm doing this, you know, like it just takes back Like those things are all so important, right?

Speaker 1: 30:52

So we want to create all these wonderful connections that you have going forward with this tattoo experience. You have this particular drink or you smell this fragrance, you listen to this song and you remember like having this lovely time.

Speaker 2: 31:05

That's so special. I wish I lived in Vancouver Island. If I ever take a trip out to Vancouver Island, you know me, I like getting tattoos to signify trips, so I may just be hitting you up for that yeah, do you have your destination? I've heard great things. Do you have a anticipated shop opening date in 2024,?

Speaker 1: 31:29

I'm assuming I'm, yeah, I'm thinking so in my, in my, in my heart of hearts. In April, when I didn't understand how construction worked, I definitely thought it was going to be a summertime thing.

Speaker 2: 31:47

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:49

And so you know, and then when summer was kind of obviously like not realistic and I was like ball question mark, so I don't know, I'm going to say soon, and if you want to know when, then like come follow me in my little world, get on the Instagram, drop my newsletter, like that's where all the updates are. So amazing.

Speaker 2: 32:10

Well, I will yeah, I will share everything where people can find you in the show notes. Check out all of your art we didn't even talk about. Like your preferred type of art to draw and like what is your expertise.

Speaker 1: 32:22

Oh my gosh, my stuff is like colorful, whimsical, like super fun silliness, like no, no design too silly. Would you like to see your dog wearing a little hat? Of course you do. Would you like to see your favorite cartoon character doing something silly? Or like a little dinosaur, or like your favorite animal, or some beautiful flowers like the more colors, the better rainbow is glitter. It's all on the table here.

Speaker 2: 32:52

That's amazing. Well, yeah, I will tell, encourage people to go. I'm telling you now I was going to say I will tell people to go check out your stuff. Guys, go check out her art and go into the show notes and follow her on Instagram. I'm really glad we got the chance to chat today and you, like I think that for me anyway, like you really shed this like whole idea of it's not just like going and getting a tattoo, like there's so much about getting permanent ink on your body. That is an experience that a lot of us forget about, that we are actually entitled to and that we can use our voice to ask for and if we're not getting it, that you can just go somewhere else I mean not in the middle of your tattoo, but you know what I mean maybe beforehand.

Speaker 1: 33:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:41

Amazing. Thank you for being here.

Speaker 1: 33:44

Oh, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2: 33:45

It's nice to chat again hey everybody, thanks so much for joining today and we will catch you next time. Until then, stay well.

Speaker 3: 33:54

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Speaker 2: 34:18

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