The Worst Place To Bike (Pender Island) FINALLY Gets A Bike Path!

Rob Fawcett is a community builder on Pender Island who helped transform a dangerous, shoulderless road into a 2-km off-road, multi-use active transportation corridor.

In this episode, we sat down with Rob to hear how the Gulf Islands community raised $150,000 in pledges to unlock a BC Active Transportation grant and built something that kids can bike to school on and older residents can actually enjoy. Some are calling it Pender Island’s new linear park.

Rob breaks down what it takes to deliver trail infrastructure on an island with no municipal government, where roads belong to the Ministry of Transportation, and big capital projects almost never happen. We also zoom out to the bigger vision: a connected network of shared-use trails across the Gulf Islands that could transform how people get around by bike, on foot, or by e-bike. And with provincial active transportation funding now 'on pause,' Rob shares what comes next, and why this community isn't waiting around.

March 25, 2026: CRD announces official opening of Schooner Way Trail! Click HERE for details.

Read about the Trail in The Pender Post HERE

Transcript

Welcome And Why This Story Matters

Peter 0:04

Welcome to Bike Sense, the BC Cycling Coalition's podcast, where we talk about all things related to active transportation advocacy in BC. I'm your host, Peter Ladner, Chair of the Board of the BC Cycling Coalition. I hope you enjoy the show. As the provincial government is cutting back, or as they say, pausing, funding on active transportation grants around the province, today we're going to celebrate a project that used those grants to build the Schooner Way School Trail, a two-kilometer trail on Pender Island that is a remarkable success of bringing the community together and scrambling to get funding from all kinds of sources to match the provincial grant. The leader of that project since 2024 is Rob Fawcett. He's our guest today. Welcome, Rob.

Rob 1:03

Thanks for the invitation.

Rob’s Riding Life And Roots

Peter 1:04

Rob, before we start the trail story, tell me about your latest bike ride.

Rob 1:11

Well, I'm working on some building some trails at a friend's property here. So I often get out on my mountain bike and just go out for a ride and kind of test those trails out. That was my latest one.

Speaker 1 1:24

And you have a little bit of a background in mountain biking.

Speaker 1:27

Yeah, I've always been into mountain biking in particular. I lived a long time in Victoria, BC, where there's all the tradition of the mountain bike racers, mountain bike culture. And so for about 10 years, when I lived there, I did a Thursday night ride, which would be it's called the Thursday Night Ride. It was a collection of old mountain bike racers, road racers that but would be on mountain bikes, and it'd be a three to four hour ride that would go all throughout the Sanich Peninsula and connect with all of the trails. And and so that that was a great thing to be a part of. But generally off-road trails are my thing. So in 2005-2006, I rode my bike around the world from I started in Vancouver and ended in Shanghai and took a plane across. So but that was on a mountain bike, and that's where I would try to find as many trails as possible and through like Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and um Turkmenistan. And then into China, into northwest China. It was like all on trails. And so yeah, riding my mountain bike on trails has been a huge part of my life. And then I've taken people on mountain bike tours. I've been guiding people, and I have my own company and in tours all over the world. So China, Mongolia, Morocco, Italy, and Canada. I had a partner from Italy and we would he would bring Spanish and Italian clients. And we designed a 10-day ride from Vancouver right downtown to Banff, where they would we would set up camps for them each night, and they would do 100 to 150K on their mountain bikes, and we designed it using a lot of the Trans Canada Trail, but other routes. Yeah, so riding a mountain bike on trails has been a huge part of my life. And we moved to Pender in 2018. Pender has an amazing number of parks. The CRD has 81 what we call parks and ocean accesses. There's a couple great national parks, but there's actually zero places on Pender Island you can ride your bike on a trail. So that that's something I was kind of started working on as soon as I got here.

Speaker 1 3:26

I could see how you would see that as a missing piece of your life. But just also, just another personal aside before we get into the the trail itself, you you own or run a restaurant in Saanich?

Speaker 3:40

Oh yeah, my wife and I, so in 2011, I met my wife, and she had started a restaurant called Nourish Bistro in Saanich. Uh, and then we kind of worked on that pretty hard for a few years. And then we expanded it to Nourish Kitchen and Cafe downtown. So we had the two restaurants. The little one in Saanich, we renamed Charlotte and the Quail. Um, and the Nourish Kitchen and Cafe became quite a successful restaurant downtown, which we sold in 2022, and it's it's still there. It's in an old 1888 heritage house. It's a great sort of iconic place in Victoria. And um, and that we still own Charlotte and the Quail, which we've now had for I guess almost 15 years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 4:26

Well, I'm not going to get into how you find time to do all this stuff, but I will ask you.

Speaker 4:30

Well, that's a shout-out for my wife there for the restaurant. She's she's the restaurateur.

Speaker 1 4:34

Uh I will ask you to describe this

What The Schooner Way Trail Solves

Speaker 1 4:38

trail. Tell me what the Schoonerway School Trail is, looks like, feels like to ride on.

Speaker 4:44

Yeah, I mean, so it's about 90% of the population lives in Magic Lake. Is where this trail ends or starts, however you want to look at it. And there's about at least a kilometer section that's just a narrow road that you really couldn't get, it's the only way in and out of Magic Lake. And you really couldn't walk it or bike it. You there was zero shoulder, the ditches were right there. It's kind of a it's a kilometer, so it's kind of a high-speed way of people getting in and out, relatively high speed for pender, so like 50 kilometers, but they might go 60 kilometers. Um, but it was really pinched and really kind of not a pleasant way. So, and then the school is about just another, say, 700 meters around the corner, but zero, zero kids would walk to school or bike to school. Like no, nobody would would send their kids to walk or bike on this road. Some people would walk it or bike it, um, but it was really, really, really awkward situation, really, really uncomfortable. You never would do it for enjoyment. So that was one of the things. And then you come around the corner, and then yeah, the other section to the school was also extremely difficult to get there. So um, yeah, so basically we were able to take this main section and take it from a situation where the community would completely never use it to now it's turned into basically a linear park. Like a lot of people will come, a lot of older people on Pender. Uh, like I said, there's no real trails, there's a lot of good nature trails on Pender, but there's no actual place to sort of go for a walk where you can um be away from cars, beyond a trail. You'd have to be on the road if you wanted to do that. And and all the roads on Pender are not really set up to have proper shoulders or anything. So you have to constantly concern yourself with cars. So a lot of older people wouldn't go out for walks like this, but they are now even. Kids are using it for biking on the road. It's it's become kind of a um, yeah, it's become like a park. It's pretty cool. And then the other cool thing is the people who are driving in on their cars now. I get lots of texts all the time from them saying, like, you know, I don't use the trail, but thank God we have this new trail because it's so nice to see people just comfortably walking, talking, coming in and out of the our main area.

Speaker 1 7:13

Rob, you've described how you turned a road into a linear park and still people are driving on it. Can you explain that? Did you have to are cars still able to go up and down the road as before?

Speaker 7:26

Yeah, so the the trail is is most of the time the trail is there's the road and now the ditch, and then the trail is is off separate from the road. Yeah, it's three meters wide. So it's the standard sort of BC active transportation style. But basically, if I could kind of describe it for people, it it was a Pender Island style road. For people who haven't been to Pender Island, I don't really know how to describe it other than that. But for portions of it, it has a power line there. And so what would happen is that they would just kind of keep cutting these little trees or cedars and they they look all kind of scraggly and they'd be underneath it. So we kind of clean that all up, and the trail kind of is along there. And then the properties that are there have these big, beautiful cedars, and all it feels much more like a park because now it's sort of the the sort of unkept part of it, if I could call it that, is is where the trail is now. And you then you you you have these beautiful properties, and most of those properties, their houses are set way back on a hill, and it feels a lot more like a park.

Speaker 1 8:30

So it's off-road. Yes. And now you had to mobilize a lot of people and a lot of money and a lot of organizations to get this to happen.

Building Support Without A Municipality

Speaker 1 8:39

Can you just tell us some of the people, some of the groups that had to be on side?

Speaker 8:44

Well, the key was the Pender Island Parks and Recreation Commission. So we on Pender Island, we don't have a municipal government. We just have the islands trust, and we have CRD that does like certain services.

Speaker 1 8:56

And that's the capital regional district that that that includes Victoria and Saanich.

Speaker 9:01

Yeah, we're one of there's 13 municipalities and three electoral areas that make up the capital regional district and the Southern Gulf Islands. So us Pender are Pender Island, Main Island, um Galeano and Saturna are the southern main southern Gulf Island electoral area. So we don't really have a lot of discretionary income to be able to say, well, here we're the municipality and we have a certain amount of money and it will go, which the provincial government would require for these grants and that sort of thing. So what we had to do is we went out to our community and we we asked them for pledges. So we went out and said, would you give money if we can get this BC Active Transportation grant? Not actually give us money yet, but just pledge that you would. And so we went out and got about 150,000 of that to start, and we went for the first $500,000 application with BC Active Transportation, and we received that, and then we went back to the community and collected the money. So it was not not something that really is done on Pender, and that's really why we're on Pender, we're not able to do a lot of capital projects like this. So but it was a big, it was a big commitment for the Pender Island Parks and Recreation Commission to take that on because it's just a small volunteer-run commission that has a little bit of tax requisition from the local community to manage our local parks. So it's not really set up to be able to take on such a large infrastructure project, but we kind of pushed the CRD staff locally and they got on board and then they were amazing to help make this happen.

Speaker 1 10:36

What's the population of Pender Island? About 2,500. And you raised 150,000. So there would be individuals and businesses contributing to that?

Speaker 10:47

Yes, correct. So, like a lot of, you know, we kind of did a traditional model where you had a gold level sponsor, silver and and bronze, and those were more significant amounts. And then anything under that, we we we would have like supporters. And so when we do our final kiosk, it'll kind of look like that. Like if you look at the those Trans-Canada Trail there's the one in downtown Victoria or at the Switchbridge. And a lot of the local organizations, it was you know, our local pharmacy, our grocery store. I went to all of them, the coffee shop, the little restaurant, and they all contributed like bronze level sponsors or more. So that kind of helped. They all kind of stepped up.

Community Benefits And Regional Plans

Speaker 1 11:28

Aside from just being good community citizens, do they see some kind of economic benefit in this? Is this part of a vision of bringing economic activity to Pender Island?

Speaker 11:41

So to give a greater overview, I kind of see there's three main sections on Pender where you need to fix from the ferry to where our driftwood is, our community center, like the grocery store and that local area. And then from there to the school, and then the school into Magic Lake. So the school into Magic Lake is where our population lives. And so that that was this aspect was very population-oriented, not necessarily tourism-oriented. But to give you a little more background on that, the reason why we did that is because the Capitol Regional District Regional Parks, their plan since 2018 has been to build a trail like this from the ferry to the school. The other reason why the local parks commission, why we decided to do this section, is because it was never in the plan. And so it would have been very strange because regional parks, when I guess when they make that plan, they don't really have it's more from a regional perspective. And then that could give you access to South Pender, but you'd miss out on you know 2,000 of us who live in this little area and have this kilometer where we could barely get in and out. So that it wouldn't have been a very effective overall plan. So that's why why we did that in the first place. So I don't know if this aspect, this section was a tourism-based, and I certainly didn't sell it that way. I sold it more so in terms of it's for our community. And the the cool thing that I've experienced is we certainly don't have a lot of tourists here now, but the trail is being used a lot, which is good. That's wonderful.

Opening Day And CRD’s Role

Speaker 13:10

When did it open? It opened like about a month ago. The first section was done, and people were using it probably two or three months ago. So it wasn't really like a grand opening per se. Like they got it workable and then they started adding like the bullards on the side and doing all those things. But people started using it probably about three months ago, even.

Speaker 1 13:30

So that would be around January 2026, the beginning of the so right through the winter. No problem with the rain and bad weather.

Speaker 13:38

No, we don't get a like, I mean, Pender gets a third the amount of rain as as like North Vancouver, and we're kind of in the rain shadow here. And um it's probably as livable a place as anywhere, even on the West Coast. So not me to brag there.

Speaker 1 13:54

You got this the Capital Regional District involved, but we hear from other places around the province that regional districts are reluctant to get into anything related to transportation because it's a bottomless pit. If they start to take it on, they don't really have that jurisdiction, they don't have the money, and they would like the province, particularly when it's a case of a highway, which is this is not, of course. But how did you get the regional district involved? Is this something do they do they are they doing this other in other places in the CRD or is this a new precedent for them?

Speaker 14:25

Well, the regional district since 2018 has had a Gulf Islands trail plan. The regional parks has planned to build out these trails on the Southern Gulf Islands and including Salt Spring. So they they have had that plan through their parks program to build these three-meter-wide BC active transportation style trail throughout there. Um they built one section on Maine Island. They've they've started that. So there was a commitment from the CRD to do these things. And as of last year, CRD has passed that they now have a transportation service a regional transportation service. And so these trails may or may not go into that service, but the main focus of that, , as far as I understand, the regional transportation service at this point is to upgrade the galloping goose, , put lights on it, widen it a certain area, and the lockside trail. So I do think in the long run we will we will fit into that service. And so I do think my feeling is that there there seems to be a commitment from the CRD to take on with this new regional transportation service. But as of now, the build out of these trails is it is within the CRD regional parks division.

Why The Provincial Grant Was Crucial

Speaker 1 15:43

How important was the provincial active transportation grant?

Speaker 15:47

It was everything. It was the whole it was the whole basis of giving us the chance to do this. So basically, like I said, we went out to the community and said if we want to do this, if you guys want to show support, then we could we could have a chance. You could we could give us the chance. And that was our only chance. So really there's you know, we were able to get the project done with everything in for just around $2 million. But that million from the BC Active Transportation was the core. Everything else was pieced together. But if you knew you had an opportunity for that, you could kind of make everything else work. So that's why it's quite tragic that at this point that really that opportunity, especially for places like ourselves where we can build trails, like we don't need huge trails here. We don't need massive kilometers or distance, we just need little ones. So they're not they're not cheap to build here, nothing's cheap to build here. But for a million dollars, we can do something here. As far as how we build out on Maine and Galliano and Saturna, that definitely would have been part of the plan. And but we're just gonna have to re-figure that. But hopefully the CRD regional parks will also continue to step up because they do have that plan.

Speaker 1 16:56

So well, we're gonna continue to pray that the pause really is just a pause and not a cancellation. And I like to remind people that the $150 million that's been spent on active transportation grants in the province in the last three years is the equivalent of about one kilometer of widening of the Highway One. And when you think about the the way it impacts all these smaller communities in such profound ways, it it really seems a shame that we can't have more of a let's just say accurate perspective on that. I want to pull back a bit,

A Gulf Islands Network Vision

Speaker 1 17:30

Rob. You mentioned some of these other islands, and we we keep hearing about the Salage Sea Trail and Salt Spring and all this. Can you picture this as part of a bigger vision of some network of trails that all connects together through the Gulf Islands?

Speaker 17:44

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know the Gulf Islands, especially with e-bikes nowadays, because Gulf Islands are quite hilly. They're they're they're quite small, especially our Salt Springs large, but the the Southern Gulf Islands are quite small. And it would just be amazing to be able to for the local people to get around on bikes, which generally they don't at this point. It's very, very rare for people to use bikes as their main source of transportation here because the accommodation is so bad at this point. But also for visitors, like we get most of our visitors in the summer, and to be able to come and visit these islands on a bike would just be sublime. And people, of course, do that now, but unfortunately, in most cases, they don't know what they're getting themselves into because it's the road conditions are aren't set up for them. They're narrow, they're single-lane, , often very steep ditches. Um, and they just they're really, really windy and hilly. Like I unfortunately, like I said earlier, I've I've ridden my bike around the world, literally, and I always say that Pender Island is the worst place in the world to ride your bike.

Speaker 1 18:53

Oh man.

Speaker 18:54

Oh, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 1 18:57

But I imagine, especially for for someone like you, that would prompt a giant urge to fix that. And yeah.

Speaker 19:05

Absolutely, yeah. For sure. That's definitely what keeps me going. And then the fact that we've had such a great response and done what I would say the first third of that. Really, we just there's these three sections that need to be opened up. The rest of the island is fine. And and that's why I say it's so bad, is because that you have these pinch points where they're basically the main corridors. So everyone's using them, and they're they're they're just really really dangerous for especially moderate to inexperienced cyclists given the the slopes. You can get up to 20 degree slopes, and yeah, it's it's just quite quite dangerous.

Why Separated Paths Beat Shoulders

Speaker 1 19:53

Is the future of cycling on Pender going to depend on off-road routes, or is there a possibility that you could somehow share the road with with motorists, which in so many other areas leads to conflict and problems?

Speaker 20:09

So the the top coat of this trail is like it's called it's a quarter-inch material that they roll on. That it it really almost turns into naturally almost turns into a concrete, but it's not. It's it's just an amazing material. They use it for all of the trails within the CRD that that are like they think they have 200 kilometers. So the sections that aren't paved as you come out of the city on the lockside or on the galloping goose, this is a similar material. So it really works well. Like you can ride a road bike on it, you can, you know, push a baby carriage. It's it's pretty much the, in my opinion, as a mountain biker, I would be wanting to ride on that year-round more often than I want to be wanting to ride on the road anyway, because you know, those eight months of the year when it's raining, it's much better. You actually have grip as well. And , but as far as it feels, you have no resistance in terms of riding. So, like I say, we probably have about six or seven kilometers that we actually need to fix here and have proper shared use off the side of the road trail. And that's really the option. So all of our roads are part of the Ministry of Transportation because we don't have a municipality. So that's another thing, too, is that we don't really have a lot of leverage for the Ministry of Transportation to do anything to our roads.

Speaker 1 21:28

What would you like them to do if you did have leverage?

Speaker 21:31

But I don't think that there's really much they could do. They could try to redo these roads and make them wider with shoulders. That would be expensive. And realistically, the Ministry of Transportation is not going to do that. But then we still wouldn't really be able to walk or push our baby care to get around. So I think the off road separated shared use next to these main roads is the best for us because everybody can get around the the island as opposed to even in the best. Case scenario if they widened the roads and made shoulders, then it would really only be for cyclists. And even then, I'd say they're off-road trails with better experience.

Speaker 1 22:09

So Rob, you've dedicated a lot of your life and time to this, knocking on doors of businesses to get them to give money and so on.

The Documentary And Indigenous Contractors

Speaker 1 22:18

And I understand there's been a movie made about it that's coming out in late March.

Speaker 22:24

Aaron Powell Yeah. So we have a local he's from Vancouver, like a lot of people were. And you know, we were my my wife and I moved from Victoria. Charlie, he moved over here, him and his wife in 2018 as well. And he's he's a filmmaker. And I reached out to him about doing kind of like a little behind the scenes of this trail because it's kind of a unique scenario here where even the contractors that we happened to get were amazing contractors. The community just loved them. It was kind of a feel-good experience. And another part of that, just to jump over to the other thing, is that they we were able to use, reuse the material from a Ministry of Transportation project on South Pender where they had to take down a rock. We were able to process and use that rock to build 95% of this trail. And so, but their contractors had access to all types of material. So they would they rocked out all these culverts really artistically, and it was just kind of a feel-good thing happening, you could see. So I kind of reached out to Charlie and we got together and he said he's gonna produce this documentary about it. So he filmed a lot of the building of it and then has done a lot of interviews with people. And I think it's gonna be a very compelling documentary just because we're it's very unique on Pender. And I think it's actually this experience has brought a lot of different groups together.

Speaker 1 23:45

And you've involved some indigenous groups, I understand, on the on the construction?

Speaker 23:49

Yeah, so the the the contractors is called Coastal Wolf, is indigenous-owned. Um, and they like I I just can't say enough good things about them. Like it's very strange. If you I'd I'd have people come up to me all the time and say, those contractors are amazing. You know, like it's just so strange. And I I don't know what it was about them or just the the way that they conducted themselves, the work that they did, they're amazing. And they're going to be at the documentary. They we've got quite a bit of coverage of interviews with them as well to describe, you know, their experience of building it and and you know how people were like waving to them and cheering and that sort of thing, which they don't get when you know you're building like a tunnel in the city or something, right? It's not the same experience. So I I think that they're they'd be quite interested in building out a lot more of this the trails on the Gulf Islands.

Speaker 1 24:40

And and where will people be able to see this movie?

Speaker 24:45

Uh we're gonna do a video release party at our pub here on Pender at seven o'clock on the March 28th. And then after that, we're not a hundred percent sure where we'll release it. Uh, I'm gonna do, I think it's on April 2nd, I'm invited to do something with transportation on Gabriola, and they're they're gonna do a viewing of it as well. I might do one on on Maine and Saturna and Galeano, and then we'll we'll release it live. We'll release it somewhere. I'm not exactly sure where we'll we'll do it, but hopefully it'll be on some Facebook site.

Speaker 1 25:22

Yes, yes.

Speaker 25:23

Oh, definitely it will be. I'm not exactly sure when and and where, but , I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 25:28

So, Rob, what's next for you?

What Comes Next Without New Grants

Speaker 25:31

Well, like I mentioned earlier, I've recently been appointed um the alternate director for the CRD for the Gulf Islands, um, for the Southern Gulf Islands, sorry. Paul Brent is the director and he lives on Saturna Island. And um I assume he he appointed me because he's he's I can show that I can get things done here. So that's yeah, that's been a big focus trying to figure out the next sections of those trails. So I I want to finish off from the ferry to the school. So those I like I say, I call those two different sections, one from the ferry to the driftwood, we call it, and the driftwood to the school. So we're working on that. Moving around Pender, which I mentioned earlier, is a society that is a can hold liability insurance on behalf of private landowners so that you can have a community trail. And there's one section of that that I was speaking about earlier that has two big farms. And both of those farm owners have agreed with move with this organization to be able to build a trail on their farms. And so that's actually what we're gonna do now. Um, we're gonna be using local contractors. The Coastal Wolf's kind of set the bar high for what it is that we would want these kind of trails to be like. And so we're gonna start doing them from a non-governmental perspective to kind of do that section. So that that's kind of our next project this summer, is hopefully to be able to connect another main part of Pender.

Speaker 1 27:01

Do you depend on provincial AT grants to do the rest of what you've just described?

Speaker 27:08

So we have about 450 loads of that rock left over from that dip project that they call that they've left for us. So we we have a lot more rock. And like I say, these um if we do it in this moving around pender model, that the as long as the landowners agree, which they have, then we can just use community resources and we can build these trails for a fraction of what we would need to in terms of like the government model. It doesn't necessarily involve the Ministry of Transportation and all. So that's one approach we're gonna take and see how we can do with that to build out these sections in that model. And then perhaps later they'll be brought into the into this sort of permanent model as well. But that's one approach we're gonna take. And part of that is because, like you say, we don't have access to the BC Active Transportation grants again. So I think that quite quite honestly, if we did that, if there was another opportunity, we are the community would step up again and we could raise more money and we could keep going. But but as you said, that that's been canceled. So we have to be a little more resourceful.

Speaker 1 28:15

Well, Rob, you have definitely demonstrated what being resourceful means. And it's great we talk a lot in the cycling community about how when you get on your bike, you create community and you stop and talk to your neighbors and buy coffee and stuff. But the the aspect that you've mentioned where the creation of a bike route brings a community together as never before is is pretty neat. And I'm I'm very pleased to hear that. And I'm curious, I want to go to Pender Island and and see this trail and and enjoy the community and appreciate the work that you've done to be such a big part of that. So thank you.

Speaker 28:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're welcome to any time. And like I say, when we do finish off to the ferry, that that that will be so that people really can truly enjoy it, right? You know, that they can get off through that main corridor, come into Magic Lake, and then get out. There's just so many smaller roads to get off of that that main corridor as well. So hopefully, you know, in the next few years we can get there and it'll be pretty intuitive and a nice place to visit by walking or biking, or you could literally come and walk. You can come to Pender Island with a backpack and you could just walk for the weekend and get to your place. And and there's no reason really reason. The whole col the whole main area is you know five, six kilometers. So it's a great way to do it. But no, you couldn't really before it was not set up for that, but we will we'll get there.

Summit Invite And Closing Notes

Speaker 1 29:42

Well, we wish you the best, and , I hope that people listening to the podcast will take some encouragement from this and some examples of what you can do, and maybe we can get you to our um active transportation summit in Victoria in October 28th to 30th, and you can share this story with others.

Speaker 29:59

Yeah, I'll be there.

Speaker 1 30:00

Wonderful. Thanks so much, Rob.

Speaker 30:02

Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 30:10

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