The Cinephile's Aisle
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The Cinephile's Aisle
Episode 3: "In Another Life..."
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PLEASE go watch Celine Song's PAST LIVES if you haven't! The focus of Episode 3 of The Cinephile's Aisle continues with one directorial debut that has taken Cinema of 2023 by shock. Ofili and Steve also discuss The Blackening, Nimona and of course, July 21st AKA Barbenheimer.
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Welcome back to the Sunfiles Iowa or TCA. TCA. Um fun fact, bro. I have merch. You have TCA merch? I have TCA merch.
SPEAKER_01:Let's get it. I feel like episode three is a little bit too premature for that, but hey, if you if you're selling and buying.
SPEAKER_00:Hey man, it wasn't even me. It was like my best friend got me some merch for the pod, and I was like, damn, you not you listening and sending me merch. I'm like, that's crazy. Yeah, I need that.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like eventually we have to go. We just set up our YouTube, by the way, for listeners. Um, we have to eventually transition into videos. You know, I think that's a way to keep people engaged.
SPEAKER_00:I'm cool with video bike for this episode. I think on in future, I would I would need a little bit of heads up for when we're going video. Okay. So I can have the lighting in place, I can have the trim ready, you know. Yeah. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:But the video if we have merch, then we can, you know, we can sport our merch on the video so that that way, you know, get that YouTube popping.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, get that YouTube popping, you know, we're good with that. Okay. I guess to uh kick things off, you know, the way we regularly do. Steve, how was your week? Tell me.
SPEAKER_01:It's been it's been a couple weeks, but I like this. I like that we do this because you know who's asking me how my week went on the normal, bro? Thank you, bro.
SPEAKER_00:I appreciate you. I love you, bro. It's okay.
SPEAKER_01:It's all love, bro. My week was good. I had a busy season at work. Um, end of every quarter is very busy for me. So I just had a pretty busy period. So I wasn't able to watch as much or wasn't able to do anything really outside of that. But it was pretty good. 4th of July, you know, went to Brooklyn, hung out with friends, saw watched some fireworks. So that was nice. We don't really celebrate independence over here, but hey, when in Rome, you know. Amen. Free holiday. Free holiday. I don't have to work, so I'm not saying no to that. Yeah. Well, it was good. It was good. I confirmed plans with my parents. I think I'd said on episode one that they're coming this summer. So confirm plans, you know, what we're doing. That is good. Are you still going on tour? Yeah, we're still going on tour. I'm still coming to Chicago, uh, DC, Texas, a bunch of places in Texas, probably Houston and Dallas, stuff like that. Of course, Houston and Dallas. Yeah, that's Nigerian Central. Every Nigerian that comes here has to go see those places.
SPEAKER_00:They literally have to go and pay homage to Texas or something.
SPEAKER_01:The whole country has the whole Nigeria has family in Houston and Dallas. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_00:Houston, Dallas, and then like maybe there's Maryland. They have someone that's someone that is that's touched New York or is in New York. Like, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, bro. Nah. But yeah, that was pretty much that was pretty much my week. How's your week, bro?
SPEAKER_00:Um struggling a little bit to remember my week, not gonna lie. But oh, my week was pretty cool. Can't lie. Not okay, I guess the past couple of weeks have been pretty cool. I don't think I've done anything like as notable as like the MMA and ah, okay. I saw David O recently.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you went for David, you put money in that cheetah's pocket. I was remote. We gotta cancel this nigga. We have to cancel him immediately.
SPEAKER_00:Bro has mouths to feed. This is charity.
SPEAKER_01:Yo, question though, did he reference did he reference any of that on like as part of yeah?
SPEAKER_00:Please no, please now. Maybe in New York he will, but I hear this guy did not. He didn't send us, bro. We broke him like an hour and a half late for his concert, which is crazy because I was an hour late. So I swear I pulled up like 9 40. They said the doors open eight o'clock. Oh, show his meant doors almost seven. Show his mental at eight. David put up at 10:30. G stayed on till 12 was out.
SPEAKER_01:God damn, did he bring out anyone?
SPEAKER_00:Mayo kun came.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. Uh I saw I saw Mayo Kun last year on his tour. Mayokoon is low-key, one of my favorite Nigerian artists I've seen like ever in his first time. Very low-key consistent, bro. Yes, bro.
SPEAKER_00:And he brings energy, he has such good stage presence, too. Yeah, yeah. But I can't, I wouldn't pay money to see Mayoko on a big stage. Okay, why is that? Because I feel like he does his charisma is way better when like you're more in like those smaller spaces, those intimate vibes, and you can really feel his sound. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Do you get my it was a small theater, it was a small concert, it was a small hall that I saw him in.
SPEAKER_00:Like it's it's no, it's not like this to him as an artist at all, but like it's just more so that I want to hear holy father and have space to dance. I'm not, I don't, I'm not trying to stand in the studio.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I see. I see what you mean, I see what you mean, I see what you mean.
SPEAKER_00:That's crazy. But okay, uh, apart from David, where else did I see you? Come on, guy. NASCAR who was in Chicago, okay. Which was a little bit insane, not really a big NASCAR guy, big more Formula One than NASCAR. So like I was like, oh, they're racing. And you know, this P what pissed me off is that these guys, like you have like a 10-minute journey, and this P is telling you your journey for like 45 minutes because of road closures. And I was like, we need it.
SPEAKER_01:Hell where do they where's the where's the track?
SPEAKER_00:Is it just like it was a sick track? It was downtown.
SPEAKER_01:Oh hell, bro. Oh hell, oh hell I'm trying to try to imagine something like that in New York, bro.
SPEAKER_00:It's not going to work absolutely insane, bro. It's not going to work, bro. Buses were going crazy, everything was kind of weird, but you know, we moved through that. Apart from that, um we went to go see a couple of movies, you know. As we do, as we do. Yeah, let's get into it.
SPEAKER_01:What have we been watching lately?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, brosky. You're gonna be ashamed because I feel like Apple TV needs to send that direct deposits.
SPEAKER_01:One episode without Offully mentioning Apple TV, please.
SPEAKER_00:My guy, well, I'm on a new one, Platonic, Roseburn.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, shout out my girl.
SPEAKER_00:She watches that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's good, it's good.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I watched the pilot, I watched the pilot episode with her, and then just haven't caught up since then because I've been busy, but I will tell you, it gets better each episode, and they have like good context jokes that lead from the previous episode. So it's fun, that is great. Another thing I'm watching is um the bear. Okay, shout out, shout out, shout out, IoDiri.
SPEAKER_01:Shout out, that's our number one. Shout out, Joe.
SPEAKER_00:That's our G. That's RG for us.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we have to get her on the pod. I I heard that she barely turns down invitations for like almost anything. You know, she's a real Did you see that tweet where she's like she has 27 hours in a day? She's been working, bro. Bro, she was a tribe too. And yeah, she was a tribe.
SPEAKER_00:I think another funny thing is that she's like nominated for five as a golden glows, I think. Oh she has the presenters be nominated for five, she isn't getting nominated for five, but she has the intention to be supporting the writers, writers, producer, blah blah blah. Favorite and what we do in the shadows. She's working, bro. And button's still coming out. So um, what's that surprise guest from ABBA Elementary? So, bro, she's doing a lot. She's working, we love her, yeah. Um, but yeah, apart from that, you know, we watched Passwords a little bit ago, we watched Passwords, and now we're watching mistaken.
SPEAKER_01:What do you think of the Black Name?
SPEAKER_00:I think it's a film that you go in. First of all, the name sounds like a porter. Secondly, I can't lie, bro. It's like a benefit. I'm so sorry, but um, yeah, name sounds like a porter, but I think it's a movie that you quickly realize, guys. This you get what you get. Yeah, it's not something crazy, it's not something like twisting. There's a little bit of humor in it. It's a lot of jokes. I'm not gonna lie, it's a lot of jokes. But in my theater, there were people that haven't the time of their lives.
SPEAKER_01:I bro, I was one of them.
SPEAKER_00:I was one of the people having time of my life in my theater. I'm not even going to lie. I don't know, man. Maybe I'm an extra hater, but the jokes are like they were kind of funny, some of them were kind of funny, and I got like a good amount of the references. But I think some of them, you know, when some of them are like laughing around me, and they're like, it's not really that funny. It's not that funny, you know? Yeah, it's not that hilarious. Yeah, yeah. Because now I'm overthinking, like, bro, should I be laughing at this? Like, is this that funny? Is it that funny? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I think I think that's a good segue into mine. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. Are you done? No, it's cool, it's cool, go on. I think that's a good segue into mine because I saw the black thing as well, and I was one of those people that was just there dying. And then I would go on letterbox, I gave it a four initially and changed it to a 3.5 out of five. And I go on there and I see like a bunch of white people like dissing them the movie, giving it twos and ones, and I'm like, first of all, I just don't think this is for you, you know. There's a little bit of like I feel like some of the jokes, you know, you need context clues, and you probably just didn't get it. Like, I'm not saying it's the funniest movie ever, you know. So lots of a lot of the dialogue is very cliche and tired.
SPEAKER_00:I would say I will say but I think what I want to say is that especially to like the white people um giving the movies to the ones, I'm like, bro, the main crux of the movie is being black enough, and you don't understand. Yeah, it's not for you, and like many don't understand also like the struggle of not being able to play spades. Bro, I can't play spades, can't lie. I had a game night, and I invited us the and bro was like, ah yeah, he's he's on YouTube learning how to play spades right now. I said, Wrong group. Come on, we're wrong audience because none of us can play spades. We can't that's not for me, bro. Come through with some Uno and we're good.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly, bro. Give me that Uno or Jenga. That's what I need. I'm good enough.
SPEAKER_00:Bro, I'm so good at Jenga, it's insane. We have to play Jenga when you come here. Yeah, July 22nd. 22nd 21st, that's being uh then 22nd. We have the game. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, I've been other than that, I saw the black thing, I saw no heart feelings. Shout out Jennifer Lawrence. I'm thinking about doing that on Tuesday. Oh no, I think I think this summer the the funny, what do you call it? The unserious, yeah. The unserious one, Joyride. I also saw that. I just saw that today. Joyride, yeah, it was good. It was good. Are you sure? Yeah, it was good. It looks a bit cringe to me, bro. No, it was good. It was it's her directorial debut, but she wrote Crazy Rich Asians and How to Train a Dragon or something. Ryan the last dragon, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was, yeah, she's she's she's worked, she's been around, she's been around, and Stephanie Sue is in it. I don't know how to pronounce her last name, I think that's how you pronounce her last name.
SPEAKER_00:I I know I know she is, I know she is. I saw that because every time I go, I've I've recently man, I always talk about like some of them, like you need to have like very like basic pleasures that people don't really understand. And one of my basic pleasures that I I try not to compromise on is watching the trailers in the cinema.
SPEAKER_01:What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_00:Because a lot of people are like, yeah, the first 15 minutes is cool, like you can miss the first 10 minutes, you can miss the trailers. I'm like, bro, I want to be seated. I like I like the vibe. Do you know how pleasant it is to just be there watching the trailers of like other movies coming, and you're like, this is my vibe, this is not my vibe. I see because it's like you don't really watch trailers anymore. Same thing with like music videos, like they come on like your Twitter, but you don't really sit down and watch them anymore.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh I think we might we might differ a little bit on that because during the trailer, that's when I like if I'm getting concessions, I'll go get concessions, or if I need to be, or if I just need to be on my phone, I feel like I don't know, I don't know why. Like it's uh it's a nice thing to see it's on the big screen, but if I'm excited for something, I'm going to see the trailer beforehand. Like that time is just me getting ready for this two hours, like that trailer time is me getting ready for these two hours.
SPEAKER_00:True, but you know, like the cinema trailers are different. So I've been told, yeah, they are. Yeah, maybe you gotta know, you gotta know.
SPEAKER_01:Um, and then shout out to you. I started silo.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I like it. You sent me you sent me dead of night at like 2 a.m. Bro sent me a screenshot of him watching silo. I was like, wait, what?
SPEAKER_01:I started silo, no spoilers, so I'm not gonna give any spoilers, but I've gotten into it when you know we have a new sheriff and you know this thing's going on, so like I'm like episode four, episode five. It's getting um, you know, it's drawing me in, he has my attention, but I feel like there's some tactics they're employing to just drag out the story. It's plateaued, it plateaued. I understand what you mean.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, it plateaued up on episode seven, and like work picked me up, so I couldn't finish it. Yeah, it kind of like plateaued around that five, it's a seven mark, yeah. You're kind of like on your third, but at the same time, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, it's it's getting there. Also started the hijack or hijack on Apple TV, Idris Elba. By the way, Idris, yeah, yeah. That's good. That one, like I find when a new episode drops, I find myself watching that before like silos for the silo. So I think it's not it's not like good or anything, you know. It's not like I wouldn't recommend it if someone's looking for a good show to watch. It's very, very fast-paced, you know. Um, I don't know if you saw this this film, non-stop. It's Liam. No, I know non-stop. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like the same, you know, they're also like all the tension and all the drama is just getting to you. So I just want to see what's happening to me.
SPEAKER_00:It's not like it's not for the fantastic, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what I've been that's what I've been watching. And then my last one that I saw was Nimona. I actually would like to talk about this, but it's there's like a bunch of stuff. The new Netflix one, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's animated, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I don't have a problem with the animations, but like I was just like surprised, Nimona. Okay, we can we can see that we can talk about that, we can talk about that. We can talk about that in this episode, actually. We can we can do a little dive. Oh, I have something. I have a shameless pickup. I think we need a segment for a shameless watch. Shameless watch. Yes, a shameless watch. Too many of those, bro. I have one right now, and you're going to judge me, Steve. I feel like this might be the last episode of the podcast if I say what I'm what I'm cooking.
SPEAKER_01:What I'm let the audience hear.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Empire.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I think we should call it. It's been good, it's been good knowing you, bro. We cannot recommend Empire to our listeners, no way.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not saying recommend, but like, you know, everyone is just like we were all watching Empire until someone like we just missed one episode. Yeah, apparently this thing's up to season six, but it's seven.
SPEAKER_01:Bro, bro Didn't um what's his name? Didn't like the main person didn't Lucius die like oh did someone die? Lucius was about to die multiple times. Was one episode where I remember my last episode, someone got pushed off the railing off like someone got pushed into like and onto like a car or something. I don't know, but like that was it for me. I was just like again, bro.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm not gonna spoil anything for you already. I have given you a chance to get it. You can spoil ahead, I'm not watching. No, don't worry. Our listeners need to some of them need to dabble into it. I I I tell you right now, as I get off this episode, I am going to go watch Empire. Yeah, no, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Please do not do this.
SPEAKER_00:I am looking for the Chini Alfredo and watching Empire. There's a lot of good stuff out there. You don't need to do this, bro. Actually, don't. I have to, I feel like I must. I'm I must commit. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Well, um, ladies and gentlemen, listeners of the Cinefile Out, that is not one of our records. I have to emphasize that we are not telling you to watch that.
SPEAKER_00:But Ophilly has his reasons, evidently. We are trying, we are doing things. We are doing things. You will see what I am cooking one day. For sure. So now, like getting into like our main events, because people always say we take too long before. I don't understand why niggas don't like it. They hate on a little foreplay. That's why there's an orgasm that's going on. I get too long. Remember. Okay. But yeah. So past lives.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my goodness. I feel like every every time we get one of these like heavy, heavy films. I think we're both really, really connected on one day. Um one day 2016, bro. Special, special 2016. We get one of these we get one of these like special, really complete films that don't have like I can't like at first glance, there's nothing extremely revolutionary. It's not like groundbreaking cinema, you know, but it's just complete and like everybody just loves it, bro. And that's exactly what past lives is. So I think I can start. I I've seen it twice, plan on seeing it again. Um, I went in because the A24 trailer dropped, and I think you put it on my timeline. I'm like, oh, I don't even know about this, bro. And you know, they're talking in young, and I thought it was going to be, you know, another one of these um films, you know. I don't know. The the K drama in it was throwing me a little bit off. But then like I went and bro, the way it starts, like I think from the very beginning, it just started off as very poetic. Like all the little all the little shots here and there. And then as you just build, like you kept building up 12 years later, 12 years later, um like we're witnessing something more than just a love story, bro. For me personally, I had some I've had enough time to sit on it now, and I think it's there's three like main themes of that. Like ultimately it's a romantic drama, but the immigrant experience is one of the main pillars of that film. Lost soulmates is another good pillar, and then just a regular love story. And I think all three are so important because they all intertwine at various points in time. And obviously, the one that stuck most with me is the immigrant experience because immigrant experience, bro. Like some of the some of the tropes in that in the movie, I was just too familiar. It felt like I was like seeing my life being played out, bro.
SPEAKER_00:Like the part of nuances, bro. Yes, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Like the part where they were learning the new language, and the only thing in like when they were on the plane, and she's like, I'm fine at you, and her sister's like, I'm fine at you, and fine at you, because they don't know what to say.
SPEAKER_00:Like, you know, Steve, what are you cooking? Because we we were colonized by the British. Oh, oh my brother, I'm still learning a new language.
SPEAKER_01:Like when I was learning when I was learning French, like you know, Sava, Saba BMS Evu, Saba BMS Evu, like I don't know what comes after that, bro. I will always say Sava BMS Evu back to them. Like, that's what I mean. Like, bro, but like just think about it. It's it's an American film, it's an American semi-autob autobiography because um Selin Sung is like it's she's she said numerous times that it loosely takes some parts of her life, and it's written by South Korean Selin Song, and she immigrated to Canada, so it's like all of these places are like random places, but it's still able to transcend borders and is relatable to so many people. Like I've put too many people onto this film and they've watched it and they feel like they could relate to it as well, even though they're not American or you know, they're not South Korean or never lived in Canada. And I think that's just ultimately every film. I think I said this before to you or on the pod, like every film has to take you on a journey, bro. Like, if it doesn't, like it's in my opinion, it's failed as a film, and this completely takes you like she takes you where she wants to take you, and at the end of like at the end of the two hours, you will know where you started. That's my intro to that. How do you feel?
SPEAKER_00:Man, I I agree with some points. That your point about the immigrant love story, and bro, let me say this. I did not clock this until I rewatched the proposal, but truly, some of my favorite movies have to do with being an immigrant, it's just an experience that you can't really put into words. Yeah, the whole like new environment, the whole adapting, and most importantly, the leaving what you know behind.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, bro. Yes, bro.
SPEAKER_00:And it's like one of the key themes in this film, having to leave what you know behind so you can move forward. And I told you that we spoke about this a little bit earlier, and how for me the major or the most important themes of this film are it's really how do I say this? It's goodbyes and timing. Goodbyes and timing.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, word, word, word, word, word. Word, word, word. You know, we took it in here.
SPEAKER_00:But what I'm saying is that it's goodbyes in the sense that you have to I'm trying not to do it in a way where you I spoil the film, because the truth is that I don't even think we gave a little synopsis of the film, but I think if we give a synopsis, people are going to be expecting because we're already reacting. But essentially, having to say goodbye to herself from Korea, having to say goodbye having say goodbye to him. Oh my goodness, bro. Come on, come on. I mean it's not I feel like one of the things like you said in this thing, like you said earlier, it's not about it's not about being in Canada or being Canadian, it's not about being American, it's about the shared experience of having loved and having to let it go. Yeah, like the the film takes the way it's short, it's simply short around you. There's nothing lofty, it's nothing crazy, it's very normal day-to-day. It's but man, it's it's a little touristy, even throwing bad weather, give you the full year occurrence, bro.
SPEAKER_01:The fairy statue of liberty, you know, like it's such everyday things. I was reading this review that said, bro, like the awkward that because it's saying where they're trying to take a picture and like they're awkwardly like angling their hands because they can't figure out how to get both of them into the picture. I'm like, this is a thing that can happen to literally everybody. Like the review goes on to say, like he felt like these were his friends or these were people that he's walked past on the street, like it's not doesn't feel like oh, cast, some random cast living in some random city, bro. It feels like these people that you're watching are literally out there right now, like they're out there in the city, like they exist and they're amongst you versus out there in the city.
SPEAKER_00:It feels like they are us. It feels like they're I don't know about you, bro, but seeing all of this, man, I'm so sad. Yeah, I think having experienced like similar situations, like as a person, as you will, and I feel like okay, the younger you are, the less likely you are to have experience on all these things. But the truth is, I mean if you are, even if it's not a lover, even if it's simply friends that you have to say goodbye to, and it's an uncomfortable situation where you can't really hold on, yeah, but it's going to hit you. The movie is going to hit you, it's going to resonate really hard. Sending some doing an amazing thing. What's a debut? Bro, that's what I was about to say. The fact that this is coming after our directorial debut episode, really messes up my list now. It really messes up my list now. Yeah, what a debut. Because like right now, you're just like, man, you're in awe. And like, I think I didn't even like I get so wrapped up in the sad in not the sadness, but like the goodbyeness of the film that I forgot to even talk about the timing. Because the truth is, I think I was having this conversation with someone. Like, unfortunately, no matter like you know when they say love is not enough. Truly, there's a lot of other things that come into play compatibility, effort, finances. But to me, one of the most important things is timing. Timing. Timing is one of the most key things, and it's like how do I say this? Like let's say, like being in love when you're 17 and having fantasies of being with someone and your life together, you can be with that person for five years and you're like you can fizzle out, you can go away. You're not going to be right again. Because at the end of that five years, when you're 22, game married the 22, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I have a friend, so I got married around that age. So late, let's come back. You know what?
SPEAKER_00:I don't want to cook what I'm about to cook, but you know what I'm about to say. What are you about to say, bro? It's not my business, bro. It's not my business. But the thing is, you can date someone for six months to a year at 24 and marry that person because the timing is right. Yeah. Completely understand.
SPEAKER_01:Like, I didn't know you were wrong person, right time, or right person, wrong time person.
SPEAKER_00:Bro, I mean, like, I think the timing of things just puts things in a it makes love better. Okay. But at the same time, you're just like, oh man, if only we had met at a time where I was more stable and this and that. But like, then was it was it right? Do you get what I mean? Like, I never really think about like the wrong person, right time, or right person, wrong time. Yeah. Dynamics. For me, if the timing isn't right, the timing isn't right. That's that's the truth. If the timing isn't right, you're not the wrong, you're not the right person.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I feel that.
SPEAKER_01:Now you made me you said something that made me think. So, you know, when you were like part of the immigrant experience is, you know, the things that you leave behind. And like, I think very early on in the in the in the movie, her mom, the person that plays her mom, was like, if you leave something behind, you gain something too. That was a quote that she said. And like it made me think because I'm like, okay, at first glance, that really doesn't make any sense. Like, if you leave something behind, you're not gaining anything. But then, like, after I sat with it, it's because like when you leave somewhere, like when they emigrated from South Korea, they opened themselves up essentially to a whole world of possibilities and a whole new opportunities that like to fill that void that would otherwise not have been there. Like that void would have been closed, you know. And so by leaving and by ex basically getting that heartbreak at 12, like she was able to open herself up to you know, Arthur or her new lover, and like these experiences that she's had to live. And not just not just not just the immigrant self, like as a romance story, or as like a tale of like two lost lovers or whatever, like I feel like Celine Sung did a really, really good job of keeping like so much light. So like like like with Arthur, let's take it for example, you know, he's not he's not vilified, there's no villain in the movie, there's no antagonist, which is crazy. You know, there's no like in the part where that was me, bro.
SPEAKER_00:The scene at the bar where they're talking in Korean. Oh god, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what you know I think the moment that she brings it up, I'm just like, wait, that's what's so your childhood lover, we had two separate times where you guys were loving, is not trying to come when we are married. What's going on? Please, what are we cooking here?
SPEAKER_01:And I think that was it was important that she did that because. You know, like when they're in bed, and he was like, Oh, in this story, I'll be the evil white American husband standing in the way of destiny, and I'm the guy you leave when your ex-lover comes to take you away, and she like she shut it down so quick, like she brushed it up because like it's important that in this in all these Indians and grand, you know, context of fate and destiny and like soulmates, it's very important that there are no villains, you know, just like what you're saying. You know, and I think the fact that it's not the right time doesn't make you the bad guy, it's just not it's just not it.
SPEAKER_00:I think also on a humane level, okay, okay. Remove humane. I think on a practical level, truly. Oh man, humane has to come. On a humane level, she has to provide like reassurance to her partner. Yeah, this is someone you love, someone you care about. You can clearly see their failing to care about something. You provide reassurance now on a practical level. I feel like talking of the practicality of the P can respond to the movie. Because I don't want to do that, but truly, bro, practically, Nora is you know, she immigrants from Korea. I'm just saying she What are you trying to say? She mean bro, she left Korea to go to Canada, left Canada to go to New York to chase her life, so she has operated her life three times. Yeah. Only to run it back to Korea.
unknown:Come on, come on.
SPEAKER_00:I thought like truly, it's that's one thing I really liked about like being at the age that I am because I think if I was younger, seeing this, it would have just been like, oh, why not? Blah blah blah blah blah. She could have done this, this could have happened, blah blah blah. Again, trying to be a spoiler free, but truly now you just like this is the ending, was yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I want to talk about the ending. Let's go to the ending.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was sad but real, bro.
SPEAKER_01:It was so real, it was so real because oh my god, I have so much to say about the ending. You know how over the course of the movie her goals that the goalpost keeps shifting. So, like when we we're literally introduced to her with her crying because she lost in the test, or her Hey Song beat like she came second, and Heysong came first. No one came second to Haysong, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And like that's how we're introduced to her, and that's how we say goodbye to her, and I'm like full circle right there. But like over the course of the film, she's talking about oh, at first she wanted to win the Nobel Prize, and then she was like, nah, I want to win the Pulitzer. The second time they were connected, and then third time I was a Tony Award, and last time I was Tony's, yeah. And then now she's just like saying goodbye, like when she was crying, and because that scene is so important because so many at various points in the film they were standing across from each other, like not necessarily touching. Like the first time that they connected um in person in New York, they were like they stood facing each other before hugging. When they were on when they connected over Skype, they were like standing or just like looking at each other, like kind of starstruck as kids. Like when they would go up those stairs and just stand like facing each other, and then at the end, they're like standing side by side, and then eventually start like angling their bodies until they're facing each other, um, like full circle, bro. Like, this is real, this is this is cinema. And then, and then like you know, she's just standing, she doesn't say anything, they don't say anything. Her, like his like you know, his ride. I don't want to spoil it, but it's kind of hard. And then the ride comes and he goes, and then she's just walking, and it's fine. And as she walks, you know, like Arthur not being a villain, being her actual lover, like an actual also soulmate. Like, I think it's important that he's also a soulmate, you know, just welcomes welcomes her into his arms and she just cries. And it's not like a it's not it's not like a heartbreak cry, it's not like a um, you know, like very like it's she's sad, obviously, but it's more like it's a good bye, exactly, bro. It's a goodbye cry, you know, like God.
SPEAKER_00:And I think another thing that you like you bringing up the crying is so important because there were several points in the movie. Not only do they have this low tease that she's such a crybaby, you see it throughout the movie. Yeah, see her crying at various points throughout the movie, and I think one of the most notable points is when they meet up together, you know, 15 years later. No, the first 12 years. The first 12, yeah. The first 12 years on the on Skype and like the struggle with like messing up your sleep schedule for someone that's not in your time, dude. Do we struggle with the Skype internet, bro? Oh PTSD, PTSD, bro. Open your camera to show them what you're looking at.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, man. Going to bed with the Yogi. Go to bed because oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:Took me back, took me back.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god, yeah, yeah. No, no, selling song, you're something else. We will get you that Oscar nomination. Don't worry, we will get you by force.
SPEAKER_00:Because okay, now lofty, lofty praise right now. I feel like you know what I'm about to say. Don't say it, bro.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know, but don't say it.
SPEAKER_00:It is I don't think there are many movies beating this this year.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, yeah, thank you very much. Coming from coming from the year where we're about to have what don't say it's not the best as we release, please. Across the spider verse literally exists. Um we've already talked about top five already. Dune is coming, killers of the farm is coming, the killer is coming, bro. Um Oppenheimer is coming. Yeah, bro. You can it's good though, it's good, it's my number two so far this year, but yeah, so far this year is my number one, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, bro. I need to let you know that like I feel like one thing I need to warn people about is that the film's not going to hit you all at once.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:As soon as you like you you'll feel it while you're watching, yeah, and at the end of it, you're going to be like, oh wow. Yeah. It's going to hit you again. And it's going to hit you. And I want to tell you people this please do not drive. Clash the bus like me or the train and just be sad. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Just actually sit with it. She said that, she said that in her in the in the press. She was like, she doesn't want people to read all the reviews and think you're coming in for this. Like, don't come in expecting your life to be changed. Just sit with the film, like, go where it's taking you. Don't apply layers onto it. Just actually just sit with it. I hear Debree watched it, and then she's like, on the way back, she was playing metal, like hardcore metal on on loud, trying to drown out you know the noise in her brain, but it couldn't work. Like she was just crying all through because like it really just sat with her, and like she couldn't stop the tears from coming.
SPEAKER_00:I think another thing that happened to me is that like three or four days later, I just wolf, man. Oh, fun fact. Okay, so two fun facts. So three or four days later, the movie hit me again randomly. Then I think that was a Friday it hit me. Oh no, it was a Thursday, it hit me. And look at me running into my ex on Saturday. Oh God, oh god. Absolutely insane. Your past life, your old past life. Bro, it was so and like I feel like at that point, I just didn't even I feel like the movie helped me because I didn't feel awkward, I didn't feel like sad. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't feel sad, but like I think I was just appreciative of the fact that we got to say goodbye properly. Yeah, and when I saw her again, it was like a nice little hello. Okay, no, no weird feelings, nothing, it didn't ruin the vibes. It did a little bit, but it didn't. It did in the fact that it surprised me because I went to like you know, I went out expecting to be with my favorite DJ, high with my guys. I was like, who's then Connor? Yeah, bro. I think it's it's a great movie. You will have fun.
SPEAKER_01:We I mean we've just talked for 20 minutes about it. It's must-see, evidently.
SPEAKER_00:It is, it's a I I don't like telling people it's a must-see, but truly it's it's an enjoyable experience. I do. My friends hate it because I tell them it's a must-crypto. Let it flow, bro. If you happen to cry, let it flow.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, um, I think moving on, we haven't been true. I was thinking, I was reading, I was listening back to our podcast, and we haven't been true to our hate engine. So I want to get my hit up back for a second. Oh Nimona, I just saw it's a it's an animated movie called Nimona. I'm not hitting on the film, I'm hitting on Disney. So Nimona was meant to be the first major studio animated film featuring two queer leads. And Disney scrapped it when it was like almost complete, and because exactly Disney, you know, the the that the that mouse doesn't like doesn't like LGBT apparently, you know, the mouse, but um Netflix picked it up, released it. I think it went like number two or number three on Netflix. I saw it. There's nothing like special about it. You know, it's a regular to be fair. I like I had an issue with it because it didn't have like its own um like animation style or anything, but it's actually a really good story. So Disney XX, if you're hearing this, Bob Iger, the likes of you, yeah. It's on site if I catch you guys because I do not no no no no no no that that little mouse got it here for me. But Nimona is my shout for the for the week. Um, I think up next in my hitting bag will be Barbie, which is crazy, which is crazy because I was up here hyping Barbie, you know, and I'm still gonna see opening night because you're gonna see me.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna be there and I will be wearing my pink. And I'll be right back.
SPEAKER_01:Do you know why I'm hitting though? Because the tweets like talking about why are people talking about that other movie and they're making funny names of what the other movie, mind you, by other movie, they're talking about Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer, bro. Talking about why why are we tagging that other movie onto it? Because you know, box of his projections have Oppenheimer to debut 40 to 50, Barbie's debut in 90 to 100. So it's like, oh, that the movie is just benefiting from Barbie, it should just be Barbie Day, it should not be Barbenheimer, whatever that fucking means. Like, shout out Greta, you know I you know how I feel about her, like you know, top one. I I like her, I I'm going to see Barbie. But my hating for this is entirely because you guys are acting like that's not Christopher Nolan right there, and that's not like look at that cast, look at the picture, bro. It's it's an amazing cast.
SPEAKER_00:But I will say the reason why I feel like no, you're your hating, but I I see your hating being valid, but on the other side, I really feel like the reason why, like in at my job, we were talking about movies, and like like three people did not know about Oppenheimer at all. But they all knew about Barbie. Where did they live? They're not here, bro. But the thing is, if you think about it, Barbie's marketing has been off the charts. Yeah, bro, there's a Barbie cafe, Barbie House.
SPEAKER_01:A Barbie house, Barbie ever be.
SPEAKER_00:Bro, Barbie has like clothing collabs, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's true, bro.
SPEAKER_00:That's what I'm saying. Like, the marketing has been crazy, and Oppenheimer just lost the chance to like blow some shit up on 4th of July. Like, they could have blown a couple things up, like if not on any day, 4th of July, bro. Yeah, their marketing team is sleeping, bro.
SPEAKER_01:I know. I feel like it's one of those things that where they're thinking, or not thinking, but it's their suspicion. I mean, I don't think Nolan has ever been that crazy about marketing, unless it's never been. He's never been studio backed. I don't think that's his thing. I don't I can't recall like a an overt press tour by Christopher. But I think look at the cast, it's an ensemble, it's a stacked ensemble, like it's an ensemble of ensemble. So I'm thinking, you know, the cast will market itself. Something like that. I think the cast does market itself.
SPEAKER_00:But if you think about the cast again, these are all kind of they are not niche, don't say that.
SPEAKER_01:No, they're not niche.
SPEAKER_00:No, no shade, no shade to Barbie, but these are all actors that are like they their their filmography is like a lot of serious stuff. Okay, yeah, yeah. But like, you know, we got Margot Robbie, we love Margot, we have Issa Rae, we have Ryan Gosling, all people with like interesting depth, you know, filmography. But it's also like there are also people that are not afraid of like they like having like fun, they like having like a little fun movie, and like that pulls a different crowd. There are people like me and you who watch Dark High Rises, Memento, and like bro, like you see you're smiling right now because you know how insane what we're watching is. Yeah, like these are dark and heavy and stressful films, these are not films for a fun time.
SPEAKER_01:It's beautiful, it's cinematic. That man, that man said there's at the very very most what 5% of CGI in the fucking film about the atomic bomb. What's crazy is that 5% of CGI in a film about the atomic bomb does not make any sense to me. I'm not even going to lie.
SPEAKER_00:You were cooking me when I said this shit was going crazy. When I said this shit was going to be crazy, you were trying to cook me, bro.
SPEAKER_01:I laughed when you said he was set up a bomb. I didn't think he was actually going to, you know, blow stuff up.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely then. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:God, oh god. The commitment to cinema. That was what you said. First episode, the commitment to cinema, and I laughed, but I was wrong. My apologies, Christopher.
SPEAKER_00:The pyrotechnics, that man was having a bowl. The next time we record, imagine getting paid to blow some stuff up, bro.
SPEAKER_01:The next time we record, you rest assured that we'll be uh going into both of these films to our listeners. We're almost at time, but um yeah, next time we record, we would have seen both of these and we would have our reviews ready for you.
SPEAKER_00:Alright, lads. The agenda for next film, for next episode, we're gonna be Barbie and we're going to be Banzer, and we're closing up with Oppenheimer. Period. Let's go that way. So thank you guys again for tuning in. I know you guys love our short episodes. You know, someone actually complained that why our episodes are so short, and I understand that that's like a nod to like you know the quality of the conversations that we're having. But at the same time, I'm like, do you guys really want to hear another sense of two black men talking and Kevin Samuels and Joe Buddha? Let's relax on this, bro. Like, we're trying to save you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, where do you put if if I'm in front of this mic for too long, bro? The things that will start coming out. Uh-uh. Oh my god. I got so much hate last last episode because of the idol, bro. I had to tell people, okay, I don't like it anymore.
SPEAKER_00:Like I gotta walk back my take about the idol. Yeah, two was a two-pack of ass, man. I kept going to episode four because I hate myself. But last year was a two-pack of ass, bro. I'm so sorry for anyone in this video.
SPEAKER_01:I finished it. Um, and let's just leave it at that. We'll never be watching it again, but I finished it. So it's alright. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We are safe. All right, lads. Now finally to let you guys go. Hope you guys have a great night. Thank you for listening to this episode. We'll catch you later on the Cinefall's aisle. Alright, guys. Safe.
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