The Cinephile's Aisle
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The Cinephile's Aisle
Episode 4: "Sloppenheimer"
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*SPOILER ALERT: This episode contains key details from the plot of Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer (2023)*
Ofili and Steve return with a bang after a long and unnecessary hiatus to discuss Nolan, the two biggest movies of the summer, and how much it doesn't matter if you think sex scenes further the plot or not...
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Hello, hello, hello everyone, and welcome back to episode four of the Cinephile's Aisle.
Steve:How are we doing this morning, Ofili? You know, honestly, I think this is the first time I'm recording in the morning. Yeah. And actually it's like I mean, you know how it went. You told me to go back to bed.
Ofili:You told me I need to get at least out of my voice, so we're back. But we're back again. It's been a while though. It's been like what?
Steve:I don't know, six weeks. Brothers, it's been an ungodly amount of time, especially because in that time, I swear, like, I was just about to go to New York before our last episode. Then you randomly came to Chicago. I did work. In both of those times, we did not record a single thing. I think honestly, Barbie was still at like 200 million. Yeah, I think so.
Ofili:Which is so crazy. That's how long it's been. That's how long it's been. Bro, yeah. Yeah, but we're back. It's not about how long, it's about how well. And we're back. And this episode is gonna be a banger. You heard you heard it here first. I'm not going to lie, you were not cooking.
Steve:That is not about how long, it's about how well. Brother, what are you doing? What are you not cooking?
Ofili:It's not about how long it takes, bro. It's about how well that's a good thing.
Steve:You are not a drink, bro. You are not quotable. It's okay.
Ofili:Bro, it's not my fault, you don't get it, bro. I wish we could I just wish you understood it, but those that get it get it. Alright, those that get it, get it. Anyway, how's your week, bro? Or your six weeks in that time frame? What have you been up to? I have I'm employed.
Steve:We thank God.
Ofili:Congratulations, bro.
Steve:We thank God. This is truly it. Um anything apart from that. I've spiraled a couple of times, as you do. Umheimer sent me on a you know, mistake, Sloppenheimer. So they said I'm not allowed to say it. Well say it. But Sloppenheimer sent me on a bit of a spiral. Um and I think in general, like you know, life is moving. We're tomorrow is September.
Ofili:Yeah, bro. This this year is running. Outpacing itself for no reason. Yeah. Yeah. What about you? How you been? I've been good, bro. You know, a lot has happened actually. I think I had mentioned on episode one that my parents were coming. So my parents came into town. It's been bruh, I haven't seen them in so long. They they're so different now. Um, it's been some time. And I got to take them around. So we were in New York, New Jersey, we did DC, DC was fun. Um, and now they're in Houston. I'm gonna go join them in a couple days, actually. Other than that, um in the past, I just want to say I've seen obviously seen a lot of movies, but I've seen three Christopher Nolan movies in the past, like since we recorded, which is not crazy, right? It's just the fact that I saw three, and like in the year before that, I probably haven't seen any. I think I've said it before in this pod that I'm not a big fan of his work like that. Like, I'm not like I'm not going to rate him as one of my favorite directors ever. The face you're giving right now, I'm not sure.
Steve:Oh, that's true. No, no, no, no. I'm not trying to cook anything, it's just that I can't. I was like, if he didn't rate Nolan, who was your guy? Because I know Nolan was my guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nolan's your guy.
Ofili:You were Fincher and Denis. Yeah, Fincher and Denis. Those are my those, those are my so you can tell how excited I am for The Killer and Dune. Yeah, Fastbender. But yeah, I saw three, and it just got me thinking, like, I want to see everything that this man puts out, like anything he does, any work, because his work is so intentional, you know. Like of the I saw what three did you watch? Interstellar, Oppenheimer, Dunkirk. Okay, yeah. Interstellar was the only one I had seen before, so that was a rewatch, but I hadn't seen Dunkirk before. You've never seen Dunkirk? Ah, no, no, no, no. Military propaganda is not your bag. It's not my thing, bro. Really, bro? It's entertaining. Yeah, the only one I actually, the only one of those I actually liked was 1917. So really, you don't like Top Gun? Top Gun is uh Top Gun is not necessarily military propaganda, it's just America. It's American propaganda, bro. It's just pro like the American military industrial complex. That's what it is. Military, like I'm I'm thinking war movies. That's why that's what I'm thinking when you say military propaganda. I'm not like that big, like all quiet at the Western Front was amazing. Like anti-military. That wasn't that was anti-military propaganda, bro.
Steve:Would you say that was anti-war because it showed military propaganda? Because it showed the horrors of war, but it's still a war movie, you know. You you saw 17-year-olds have their mental health decline like crazy in real time. I was like, they started the movie all like excited and like high-fiving. One guy like defrauded his parents to jump to to join the military, bro.
Ofili:But yeah, no, and like Dunkirk, for me to say Dunkirk was not, and Dunkirk would be more like a lot of directors' career highlight. I didn't think it was good, I didn't think it was that good, rather. You know, I think I gave it a 3.5 or 4 and letterbox. But like for that to be amongst the bottom of your filmography, like that just speaks to the level of genius that this man has, you know. And obviously, we'll talk about Oppenheimer more in this episode. But Interstellar again, like that that's one of that would be easily be so many directors' best work ever and ever, but we're talking about the Dark Knight or Oppenheimer being like his um, you know, Dunkirk is one of your lowest one for him because for me, I think Dunkirk is in my top three easily.
Steve:How can Dunkirk be in your top three? Quite honestly, Dunkirk is in my top three.
Ofili:Should we should we should we should we take a pivot now and do a top three? Like covering the top three for Nolan, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Steve:I feel like I'm not trying to sit on you, but I've been following Nolan for for him for a minute. You know, I'm fine, bro. I've seen other stuff too. I just I'm not trying to sit on you. Okay, okay, bro. Um no, you're the new guy, so give me your top three. Give me your Nolan top three.
Ofili:And maybe like the new guy, guys. No way called me. Okay. I I said that because I actually thought about that when I finished Dunkirk. I thought about my ranking of the ones I had seen, and I couldn't settle on a top three, or more specifically, I couldn't settle on number three spot. I think number one is still I'm a superhero guy. I'm uh, you know, I see all the MCU, all of that. So my number one is Dark Knight. I hate to be cliche, I hate to be that guy, but the Dark Knight is just it's just there for me. It's one of my favorite movies of all time. So that's number one. Number two is Oppenheimer. Okay, and again, we'll talk about that, but it's very rare. I because I'm in theaters a lot, right? I start to get you almost start to get numb to the feeling. Like, not numb, I still love going, but like it's very rare for me to leave the theater and feel like oh my life has been changed. Like, this wasn't another Tuesday night, another Thursday night where I use my AMC Stubbs Alice membership. This was actually a life-changing experience. Like I felt very different from when I went into the theater, and that doesn't happen a lot.
Steve:You started texting me, yeah, you were like, bro, my life is different.
Ofili:Yes, bro, bro. I I can't explain it. Like, it's just never going to be the same. I'm not the same person I was before, you know, Oppie. And that's just that's just a fact. So that's that's number two for me. I was struggling with number three because Interstellar also is one of my favorite movies of all time. But Inception in a lot of ways is one of the best films of this century. So it's just like how do I pick a number three? I think if I'm going with me, I went with Interstellar and I put Inter Inception 4. Um, so since you said top three and special shout out, my top three would be um TDK, Oppenheimer, Interstellar, and Inception would be my um special shout out. Okay, so um for me number one would be Interstellar, number two would be Dunkirk.
Steve:Number three would be Oppenheimer. Okay, surprise number four would be the prestige.
Ofili:The prestige is one I haven't seen. So if the prestige and memento, those are the two that I think from his discover um filmography I've got.
Steve:No, this is very interesting. I think so. I think Inception would be number five, but something but I think Memento makes me like pull Inception down kind of because you explain that. Okay, it's it's kind of weird, but um Inception draws a lot of inspiration from this anime called Paprika, and it's like an animated movie, and it's like trippy it's about the dreams and everything. It's it was insane, but like I watched that and I had randomly watched Memento, and I watched Inception, and like this was like a while ago, like this was I would love to say like around 2018. Okay, yeah, yeah. So, and I watched Inception, and it just felt like oh, okay, I can see like the con like you know, everything that was throwing people off, it was like, oh, this is so amazing, this is so niche. I was like, Oh, okay, yeah. Like, I I can kind of see it because I've seen like you know, having prior experience with Memento and Paprika. Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, okay. Yeah, and someone just randomly put me on paprika. It wasn't like, oh, like I'm going to like, I'm not like that deep in the trenches of like animated movies and anime in general, but uh yeah.
Ofili:So I just like enjoyed it, but it kind of like pulled it down at the level of like I guess what would be greatness for me because I guess I need to see Memento and the prestige um to complete my Nolan Nolan marathon. But yeah, this is the most Nolan I've seen in a long time. So honestly, you know, I kind of did the Dark Knight Marathon, so I guess that was three in a row as well. But since then, this is the longest I've seen. Did you ever watch Tennet? Yeah, I did. I didn't like it. I think I didn't have this conversation. No, no, no, no, no. I don't know the part of the reason why I don't like Dunkirk too. Like, there's a thing where like I get that his timelines are usually convoluted, and you know, um what most people would say confusing isn't really confusing, they're just not getting it.
Steve:Yeah, it's not really that confusing, not really.
Ofili:Yeah, they're just paying attention. But Dunkirk and Tenet particularly, like they stand off for me because I think uh like I I started by saying that he's very intentional. I think his intent like was to be confusing as opposed to the others, where it's just oh, this is a storytelling, this is a form of storytelling. I think he intended for Dunkirk and Tenet to be like interlapping and confusing, both visually and thematically, and so it's uh very hard for me to like you know just reconcile with that. I don't I don't see the greatness, I just see overdo as the Nigerians would say, yeah. No, I get that. I get that.
Steve:Um okay to pivot now into some of the first things on our agenda. I feel like we haven't been true to our nature, but I understand we're only four episodes in. This is the fourth episode. Woohoo. Yeah. But we haven't hated on anything in a minute. I think the last thing that we hated on was like Nimona, and that was like more ethical. Yeah, yeah, that was very ethical, not technical. Yeah, it was more ethical hating because of like, you know, fuck Disney. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck Disney, you know, we support the strikes, fuck the companies, yeah. Fuck the studios. Except Neon. We love Neon because Neon is the only one. Neon is the only one.
Ofili:I'm glad you're neon and not like A24 or something stupid, bro. I'm not sure.
Steve:I don't think A24 has. I mean, they they don't really, they're not like a big, you know, they're not one of the biggies. Yeah, yeah. But Neon is one of the only big ones that have agreed to like, you know, the strikes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the strikes uh demands. And honestly, shout out to Neon because they gave us old boy. Exactly. Neon gave us old boy.
Ofili:I told you, but I was meant to see the old boy remastered with the QA, but I missed that. You're a liar. You're a liar. What do you mean I'm a liar?
Steve:Tell me. You started tweeting about something you were crying, you were tweeting and crying. That was it. Please tell me, bro.
Ofili:I think it might still be showing because again, that's another one. I think I'm I'm exposing myself yet, but I haven't seen old boy. Just to be fair, I haven't seen a I haven't seen a bunch of the older stuff, and old boy isn't even that old, I just haven't seen it.
Steve:So I think the thing is that I don't think I've seen Old Boy in adulthood. You get what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like I think I saw my cousin watching it and I just like latched on, you know. But like since I like really started like approaching film in like in a more intentional way, I don't think I've seen Old Boy, which like probably would change my experience of seeing it now than like when I was like younger. Yeah, but they gave us Old Boy and they gave us honestly one of my favorite films of last year, which is How to Blow Up a Pipeline, and that was a fun fucking time. And they're giving me Ferrari in Christmas.
Ofili:Thank you for it. I saw the tweets when they dropped the trailer yesterday. I just cannot be excited for Adam Driver in anything where he has to talk with an accent. I'm so sorry, I just can't. That's one, two, I feel like I that's just one, two. I feel like movies that would be precursors, quote unquote, to this would be Ford vs. Ferrari for obvious reasons and House of Gucci. And Ford vs Ferrari was exceptional, right? I saw it on the plane, it was very, very good. But not for the reasons, not for the reasons that Adam Driver is good because he's a phenomenal performer, but not for the reasons. So I I'm like overlaying House of Gucci with Fort vs. Ferrari, and I can't see being good, and it's like I'm just not excited. But the trailer was hit, the trailer hit though.
Steve:I'll keep it that and a man too. Should I tell you some other things that are that Neon is involved in? Well, I know Neon. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, in case the people that don't know, Neon was involved in my lovely, my lovely triangle of sadness. Lovely film. Um they were also involved in distribution of Parasite, which you know, award-winning, award-winning. We love that. Another one of my favorite films, Spencer, because you know, me, me and a good biopic. We are gonna sit down and watch it. Um, and Three Identical Strangers. I don't know if you ever watched that, but that was the one about like oh, also Itonia. I tonia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Three Identical Strangers was the one where there was like these three triplets who yeah, they met each other at college. They had never known about each other, but like some random guy walked in. Yeah, and a random guy walked up to him and was like, Oh yeah, you're back. I thought you were coming back, blah blah blah blah blah. And I was like, I'm sorry, bro, this is my first time here. And I was like, Oh, you gotta meet this other guy. He's exactly, he looks exactly like you. Did a DNA test, blah, blah, blah. And you could see it, they were identical. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. And there was now, then they put an ad in the paper, and now a third guy pulls up. Yeah, and it's like, oh yeah, we're all siblings, and it's one of those like non-ethical like psychology studies. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nature versus nurture thing. You know, back in back in the 80s, they were doing a lot of weird things, I'm not gonna lie. But it was one of them nature versus nurture things and like putting them in different environments and seeing how like their life projection and all of that. But yeah, to pivot back, we haven't hated on anything in a minute. Okay. So, what are you cooking? I don't know what I'm cooking. I can't I don't think there's anything I want to hate on because I haven't watched anything that has made me made me like slightly upset.
Ofili:Okay.
Steve:Loki, I want to hate on Love Island real quick. Love Island, it's just the cinema. I know it's past time, it's past time. The last episode, a bit with, but we don't have to be snobs, you know. We don't have to we can we we watch other things. I know how much trashy TV you watch, bro. Like, do you know how much trashy TV people watch every day? Like I told episode, I was talking about one of my friends who watches Empire, and I'm like, Empire in 2023, the year of our low 2023. Ah, please now come on.
Ofili:Um are you talking Love Island USA?
Steve:No, no, no, no, UK. Oh, oh, oh, the last season wasn't that okay. The last episode of it was like whoever the nigga that won. I'm not gonna spoil it for niggas who haven't watched it because I know we have like quite a bit of American fan bases, and like you know, they watch things like a little bit differently, especially when it comes to Love Island. But yeah.
Ofili:Um I want to hit on that. Because I don't, my mind is blanking right now. I just hated on Dunkirk and Tenet, so I think that's a good one. I don't think you hated it.
Steve:I just think it was just like a you're just not that you used to know, instead. Okay. Honestly, when you watch Memento, you're gonna be like, oh, for these times. No, no, no, no, no. You have, but like, I'm not trying to like be snobby, but like you you watched the superhero stuff, you watched the Batman, Batman Begins, Dark Knight, Dark Knight rises. It's like there's less creative freedom. Okay, because okay, yes, yeah, there's source material, and there's less creative freedom in general, like there's an expectation to like how he wants uh, you know, how things are going to be. But yeah, I want to hate on people right now, not projects, actually. Can you imagine someone was shitting on me for saying I love Paddington and Paddington 2? Those are exceptional, those are really great.
Ofili:Who why would anyone hate? That is cinema, bro. Wasn't Paddington like like at some point the highest rated movie or Paddington 2, sorry, the highest rated City. Yeah, Paddington 2 was at one point one of the like, yeah, one of the highest-rated movies on like Letterboxd and like RMDB or whatever.
Steve:But that's not what we're focusing on. We're focusing on the extreme amount of quality that Paddington 2 is. I I think people just don't get it. The first time I watched Paddington, I and I'm saying the first time because I've watched these movies multiple times, but the first time I watched Paddington, I I was so tripped out by the visuals. The visuals are so good. There's one scene where it kind of looks like a doorhouse and blah blah blah. And like I I thought I was tripping, I thought I was tripping, and but I was like, no, I'm not. But Paddington 2, watching that, I think that made me a better man. I think the person I am today is in part due to Paddington 2. Like, if you ever date me or we're in a relationship, just thank Paddington 2.
Ofili:So you do understand that it's possible for a piece of art to change someone's life. So why are you confused by me by me being changed by Oppenheimer, bro?
Steve:I'm not I'm not doubting that, but Steve, you get changed by things like every two weeks. Okay, bro. Like you get changed by great cinema like every two weeks. Okay, bro. But like it's okay, you can it's okay. You're in an upper trajectory, you know? You're a developmental junkie, development junkie.
Ofili:I don't like the narrative that's being presented right now. Why are you to be the the the learner, the psychic, and you're the master guru at a film? I'm not no, I'm just saying, like, okay, I think people will be more okay.
Steve:My letterbox is there for itself. No, no, no. I know your your catalogue is deep. Your catalogue is deep. But like what I mean is that I feel like people would be more people more accepting of you um of you being like inspired by things or your life being changed if it was a different form of media, which is another thing I hate. I hate that people have this like book superiority over film. I'm like, I'm so fucking sorry that I'm not getting inspired by 18th century Dostoevsky. Yeah, I'm not reading Mohammed Yahwish and like changing my view on love. What is going on? Yeah. Like, oh yeah, I'm not reading Canterbury Tales. Yeah, I'm sorry, bro. I feel like if you took if you took Oppenheimer back into if you got Socrates to watch Oppenheimer or Plato, I'm telling you, it would have been more impactful than Nikaros' story. What that epic of Gilgamesh is is done, it's cooked. The range, bro, yeah, no.
Ofili:Nah. Anyway, I was my life changed. That's all. Panity to change your lives, Oppenheimer changed my life. I can live with that.
Steve:I think I I would say that Oppenheimer did not like it had a great effect on me. I love the movie. I I genuinely watched it on like a random day that I was feeling bad, which I'm pleased telling anyone if you haven't yet watched Oppenheimer, please do not watch it when you are feeling down. I am begging you. I am begging you. Please, you have to be on high spirits because you will spiral, quite honestly. You will spiral.
Ofili:I think you had um a really strong reaction though. I don't think you know, there's movies I watch, and like I'm like, I'm like, I shouldn't have watched this feeling like this, but up on Hymer, I don't know what it was that hit you like that because I think your reaction to it was a lot stronger than most people. Like I was reading your you know, your write-up after, and I'm like, we may have seen different films because I did not feel this way at all. I felt very ecstatic, you felt very down, yeah.
Steve:It was it was broken, like existential. Yeah, it was existential, it was like an it was a sense of overwhelming dread. Yeah. And it just made me think about like all the little like so I have a lot of friends in engineering, and you know, all these niggas want to work in Lockheed Martin because that is who is paying. But I'm just I'm just always thinking about like I mean I wasn't always thinking about it, but like now I'm just like does Oppenheimer carry the same weights that Wolf of Wall Street does? If you get what I mean, in terms of like impact to the community that's around, because the way Wolf of Wall Street impacted the finance bros, they loved it. It inspired a new generation of finance bros. I can make this much money just like basically bullshitting niggas over the phone. Okay. Same thing with Oppenheimer, like imagine the impact that you could have ending wars, building massive weapons, blah blah blah. Um the greatness, like the celebration. I feel like people have that, but the the problem is that they're both cautionary tales, and I don't think people pay attention.
Ofili:I think I think it's different. I think you're not comparing apples to apples here because Oppenheimer is set what in the 40s? It's set a long time ago, right? Um, Wolf of Wall Street was way, way more recent. Like, sure, it wasn't set in 2000 or whenever it came out, but it's more recent than that. So it's like though Wall Street is still was still active, it's still up and about. Like people could be impacted into oh, you know, doing drugs off a woman or something like that. Like people could still do that on their lunch break while working on Wall Street. People can't just walk up to Los Alamos and submit an application to build the next atomic bomb because that's already been done. Like, you know, sure, it could influence people into you know, if we take the message from it, which is you know what you just said, cautionary tales and any wars, and you know, not dropping bombs and random, you know, if sure, like that there could there could be there's room for it to have that sort of impact, but at the same time, it's come on, like you know, I think that's not going to impact anyone in power.
Steve:I think to boil it down to base level, what Oppenheimer makes me feel like is um because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
Ofili:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's not let's take it away from like the higher level of like oh building bombs, but like it's more so it's like these regrets will haunt you, and that's just how it's not just the bomb itself, it's you know, it's his personal relationships, it's everything, it's everything. His um this, like you said, decisions will haunt you, the whole communist party thing coming back, you know. Um, because what started as just casual hangouts on the campus, attending meetings, yeah, you know, then he stopped to those meetings because it was chasing a baddie.
Steve:Women, women, bro, after good if you're women factors, but yeah, I guess I do see that.
Ofili:Like, there's a lot of but it achieved what it set out to achieve, and that's really enough for me. I don't I think it's going to have as much, if not more, impact on than Wolf of Wall Street, just not in the way that you're talking, like in the way, in the sense of like inspiring people to lead certain lives. Yeah, sure, Wolf of Wall Street would do that or did that. Um, but in terms of like cultural relevancy, you know, like I think it's going to stand the test of time. I think it became a spectacle. I think I said this in my review, it was a it was a spectacle, like you had to be there to see, like you had to witness it in the moment, but it's also a cla like it's going to be a classic, you know, 10 years down. We're still going to be talking about scenes and different scenes and Trinity Test and you know the scene where he's holding his head because he just fumbled a baddie, you know. And like we're still these memes are going to be around.
Steve:Again, I really think we need to sign a petition to change this movie to Sloppenheimer because that's what happened. This movie was the spiraling of a man who lost his best eater. We saw the change. Honestly, you you can you can if you close your eyes and you're angry in your head, you can be like, you know, this this could be a rom com. Okay, bro. You heard it. Toss me a couple more jokes. You know, Safti was funny as hell. Safti was funny as hell, but you can toss me a couple more jokes, and this is a rom com.
Ofili:I you definitely took a you we saw different movies.
Steve:I'm joking. I'm joking, I'm joking. It's a reach, it's a reach, but I don't want to downplay the impact uh the emotional relationship had on Oppenheimer.
Ofili:Yeah, let's while we're still on the topic though of you know hating and Oppenheimer, you know, you had you had talked to me about this tweet about you know the sex scene, and so I think let's let's let's talk about that. You want to dive into that, yeah. Because I think um some people are children, you know. Lately we've been seeing this trend of people watching TikToks in cinema or people taking phone calls so loudly because they can't just sit still for two hours. And I saw that video. Oh my goodness, I saw that video of the of the woman who's she caught her husband watching porn or something. And so when they were in Oppenheimer, she made him like turn away and like he put his head behind her on this for the sex scenes for the two seconds that Flo Pew flashed the titties and said, She made her husband turn so that he wouldn't get triggered, you know, and so their marriage can last longer because that's what's that's what their marriage is based on now at this point, you know.
Steve:I think my opinion on that is uh especially that little thing uh happened in cinema with her turning her husband's head. Yeah, I don't know what's going on in that relationship, but naturally, it is not my business. Whatever whatever demons he's fighting, that she has to do that again, it's not my business. But to piggyback off like the initial point, I really hate the fact that like people are like, What do sex scenes add to the plot? And I'm just like, why did everyone become so like anti-relationships and anti-sex? And I think it might not be just like everyone, but I think it it's more so like our generation and stuff like that, and like maybe not our generation, but a little bit of the younger ones and us because it's like the same way in the beer, when people are like, Oh, I really don't want a relationship coming out of like Carmi and Sydney, and I'm like, Bro, do you know how easy it is to fall in love with your co-worker?
Ofili:That one I kinda agree though.
Steve:I don't want to when you're in like stressful situations and like you are only spending time with each other, it's so easy to like develop romantic feelings for someone that you are spending so much of your time with. I agree, unless they're like you're deeply uncompatible or like deeply incompatible, and and and yet I have seen many a man be involved with women that they are not compatible with at all. Absolutely insane behavior, but I have seen it. But to like piggyback or like to redirect this back to like the initial thing, I don't think people are being honest. I think people are being very disingenuous with how much that scene like plays an impact. Because before, without that scene, you think she's just some random, slightly mysterious baddie that OP's talking to. He sees blah blah blah. But can you see mid-stroke? She gets up. Mid-stroke. Mid-stroke, she gets up. They're talking. I'm not trying to um spoiler warning.
Ofili:Honestly, the movie's very spoken too much, right? The movie's been out for about a month.
Steve:A month and some change. Please go and watch it. But basically, that bloody scene where she gets up and they start talking mid-stroke. Like you know, they just took a little break during sex. And one thing is that you don't really do that with just anyone. You don't just like start having conversations or making jokes like midstroke. There's a level of relationship that that happens, and like you know, you become comfortable enough to do that. That's one two. She does one of the most unhinged things I've ever seen, which is get Sanskrit. I want religious text. Bro, can you hear me? Let me the Nigerian needs to come out. I want religious text.
Ofili:Is actually crazy. I never had a babe read the Bible to me. Wow.
Steve:Bro, midstroke. And she makes him read that. I did not know that's where the famous line came from.
Ofili:Me too. I thought he didn't know.
Steve:I did not know.
Ofili:Yeah.
Steve:And I I'm quite shocked. I can't, I can't lie.
Ofili:I think that too would have locked me in. Yeah. I think I think you raise a good point when you're not able to sure if you just if if they have sex off screen, you know, the point is, oh, they had sex, and if they have sex on screen, they have sex. But the difference is we're able to see the nuances in their relationship, just like you're saying, you know. There has to be a certain level of closeness for you to just get up at that point and get religious, like religious script for him to read mid-stroke. The sex scenes just help, like it's a visual aid, but it's more important than the visual aid. It's not showing us exactly. It just helps explain the dynamic. And then that scene particularly was important for me because it sets up the Now and Become Death, you know, the show reports. It sets that up because you know, sure, we always knew we're going to hear him utter those lines, and it made more sense for it to come, you know, after the bomb has exploded, hence the Trinity's Trinity test. But getting that stuff launched in there provides more context and more colour around it. Because if I if that scene wasn't included, I would just think up he came up with those words.
Steve:And again, it's also like if that that scene gave like a prelude to like what happened later on, and again, it was such a memorable moment for him because again, women do not typically make you read the make you read religious text like while they are writing. Um exactly, but like that's not really a normal flashball memory right there, flashball. Like, what? Oh, I just feel like in Oppenheimer and in many things, people don't want to let go of control. So it's like, oh, I'd rather have this happen this way, I'd rather it happen this way. But to say, but like to criticize on people, like, oh, it's unnecessary, it didn't affect the story. I'm like, that is a lie. That's quite quite a crazy lie. Because I think we're under no illusion that people have sex, but and like people have relationships. So if we just saw like Oppie spiral a little bit when she passed, you know, we understand like okay, maybe they had like a special relationship, but seeing like the different facets, and I won't and I told you this, I made a joke about how like she when she was like, Oh, leave me alone, I don't want any fucking flowers, and he's like, Then why do you keep calling me? And I bro, I can only laugh. I can only laugh because uh my guy is confused. If you have you know one of the greater physicists, our generation confused, or no, our generation of the world, confused. Who am I? I'm just a man, please. I'm just a man, yeah. Uh and I just think like relationships are like no matter what level you are, relationships will always have like a deep hold on you. Yeah, yeah.
Ofili:I think to close out this segment, because we're getting um we're like 35 now. I think uh people just need to grow up. That's why I started off by saying people are children, and understand that I think you said this, or maybe you were going to say it, but like watch more movies, that's a thing, you know. That's Alamo's thing, Alamo Drafts. I was actually a thing, but it's important to just watch more movies because any scene, any shot, literally any take, anything that makes it to the final shot or final cut of a movie has gone through so many rounds of editing. So to say any scene at all is not important to the plot is so immature, it's so childish, and it's like you don't understand that there have been various rounds of editing that have gone into the making of this, and scenes have been cut, like shots have been retaken, and things have been edited. It's all intentional to make it to the final cut of literally any movie. So saying like a sex scene is not important, or the shot of her titties or whatever wasn't important to the movie is exactly the same as saying this wide shot of the horizon in the distance and the plains of the Sahara is not important. The the story can still go on without it, but it's still adding colour to the 90 minutes or the 120 minutes that you're spending, you know, um watching that art. So it's all important, it's the same thing. You can't cut out any scene just because you feel like the plot would have been the same without it. It's still adding colour.
Steve:So okay, so this is where I am with that. I think one it's very reductive to like look at someone's heart and be like, oh well, you know, I would take this out, you know? Like with Mona Lisa, would you like oh well, like I would like cut out her smile a little bit, or like oh, I would I would change her nose. Like, it's kind of weird to say things like that because it's truly someone's arts you are viewing. If you it's okay to not agree, it's okay to not like it, but to say I have a better idea of what could be done is kind of weird. Just experience what they're trying to deliver. Again, you don't have to like it, but it's very reductive to be like, oh well, they could have done without this. Nobody cares about what your opinion is on that. Like, no, no one really needs your take. Like, you're not funding it. I'm sorry, you're not funding it, and you are not the creator, also. Even honestly, I don't even like when like production teams and like you know, the the what's it called, the studios have as much of a say, yeah, and just like yes, you are the fan who is intended to experience it. Sometimes you're not even the fan, sometimes you're not even the person that you're not the target's markets. I'm sorry, exactly. Yeah, so it's like when like you go to certain stores and you're seeing like a shirt for like five to six thousand dollars. I'm not the target's market, it's so expensive, like bro. It's just not for me. I've seen it, it's not my mind, it's not for me. I wouldn't say, Oh, I I wish they changed the price. Clearly, I'm not the target market. You're spit in, but yeah. We are we're cool, we're cool, we're cool. Okay, um, do you want to talk about Barbie?
Ofili:Yeah, of course you want to talk about Barbie. Um and so for the other side of the pond, which let me say I hated that term. Barbie, yeah. I think that was a monstrosity, but at the same time, I'm very grateful for you know the payoff because Oppie might there's a good chance Uppie might hear a billion, Barbie's already broken, shattered, shattered so many records, so many records, and so I'm grateful that it contributed to you know both being widely critically acclaimed and you know everyone enjoying them at the same time. Um hate that term, hate that you know the picture is where they would like it would be half of um Margaret Ruby's face and then half of Killian Murphy, and it's like silly and murder.
Steve:That was a bit weird, but I think my one of my favorite ones was like was that edit with Killian Murphy carrying Barbie on his shoulders, and there's like the mushroom cloud at the back, bro.
Ofili:Come on, like let's be for real here. But Barbie, um, I said this to I think I had I was having a conversation with you when you were in New York, and someone said it was a coming of age film, and I disagreed initially because it was me. Yeah, it was me.
Steve:Yeah, I said it was a coming of age film.
Ofili:You know, I did not even like pee pee that at that. You know, I felt more it was in line with films like Bo is Afraid or um somewhat like the Truman Show or you know, all these movies where you're going out of the of a world or you're just having to go through the various experiences. But in hindsight, it is like it's a true coming of age, which is also in line with Greta Gerwig's filmography, um, you know, Ladybird. Bar for bar. Little bit. So it is a coming of age. I think she, you know, I've seen the conversation about her being a sellout. By sell out, I mean Greta, um, you know, because this isn't indie, this is WB backed. And I, you know, I accept that because I'm a strong proponent of indies. Um, I think we need to protect independent cinema. That's why when we're talking about Nihon, um, I was very excited. So I I I want the big, the really good directors that are working with indies to stay working with indies, you know. I appreciate that. But at the same time, she was offered an opportunity to do something that can set a precedent with this, which is make many more really good movies for women by women, you know. Exactly. Which I don't think Werner Brothers is taking that message. I don't think they're taking that story. I think they're thinking people want nostalgia about toys they played with as kids. And so they're going to be aware of it.
Steve:Oh, you're talking about how Mattel is doing like some cinematic universe thing right now.
Ofili:Yeah, I think people are taking the wrong message from this. Yeah, you make the message crazy. Um, for me, that's why I liked I liked Barbie. I think it's for everything that it represents and for the you know the potential for us to get more original stories by women and for women. Why did not like Barbie? Um I also shared this with you. America. So not the country.
Steve:Not the country.
Ofili:Okay. Um, America Pereira, no. Um, she played the mom, the you know, the not colleague, but one of the supporting, she's the mom of the little girl that she had the original Barbie, you know, and all of that. Yeah, yeah. Um, I felt like she was out of place for a lot of it, for a lot of the of the runtime. Because you have like Margot, Ryan Goslin, Issa Ray, you have all these funny people, Michael Sarah, Will Pharrell, who are like every line of delivery is somewhat like comedical, like, you know, there's some satire in their voice when you're just delivering regular dialogue because they're funny people, and then every time America spoke, it was not it wasn't delivered the same in the same like comedic way, which I'm like, this is weird because this is a lighthearted movie, but everything she's saying just sounds you know like a mom. But then like we get to her monologue, which I you know I really, really did love. You know, I was cracking up when they when she when they made the whole godfather thing. But we get to her monologue and like I understand why she was casting this, and it turns out okay, it's a perfect casting. So I still don't like her for most of the runtime. I still think you know there could have been a better blend, a better mix of you know her mom roles and her motherly tone with the whole um just comedy or light heart that the movie has, but um I get it because of the monologue that was very impactful, so yeah.
Steve:I think I can't sit on America for because I don't know, ugly Betty always will have like a special place in my heart. I'm not going to lie, yeah, always will, and I guess like we're kind of showing our age right now, but like you know, when we're being young and watching Ugly Betty, it was just like it was it was kind of fun, it was a fun time, yeah. And the way you're talking about, like, oh, she wasn't that funny. I mean, like, I feel like her role didn't require her to be that funny. I get that, yeah. Some of the best humor is really um is really displayed by a lot of the side characters, not even oh my god, no, no, no, no, no. I'm so sorry because that line from Barbie where she's crying and she's like, I'm how can I do it? She called you a fascism. I don't I don't control like yeah, yeah, I don't control like the the flow of commerce and the trades. I was like, damn, that's a great fucking joke. That was funny. That was a great fucking joke, but I think quite honestly, her role just it kind of gave what it was meant to give. Um on the other side of you. I kind of hate kids that have teenage angst, and I hate when that's displayed in movies because I know it's real, I know it's real, I know it's real, but I hate it.
Ofili:I hate when kids are like Is there a reason why? What are you saying? Is there a reason why you hate that? Because a lot of so there's so many very good movies that are all about teenage angst.
Steve:Oh, 100%, 100%. Even Ladybird had that little teenage angst.
Ofili:Exactly, that that was what I was going to go to.
Steve:And like I, you know, I had a great time in Ladybird, but like at the same time, like I you can't I think maybe it's just my personality type to like see those experiences and be like I genuinely can't relate and I just feel like they're being so inconsiderate. And I think maybe that's because like I can't relate, maybe because I was never a kid like that. I see, I see, I see. Yeah, so it's just like for me, it's like I think it's okay when I think it's okay to say this, but kids can be little dickheads, they can be really fucking, they can be really fucking dickheads, and we don't really acknowledge that and we just like cast it off like this is normal, this teeny thanks, blah blah blah. You can raise there's so many people that were raised as like considerate kids. There's so many people. It's not the standard that your kid has to be a dickhead. So that little scene where like you know how wild it is again, an adult, big adult, comes up to you just to like kind of talk, and like you start like ripping into her roasting them for nothing, roasting for nothing, bro. And that's not even the craziest one. What's crazier is that some other girl had to like stop her and warn her. Yeah, like she's known, you know. If you want to fuck up your day, go to go up to her. What? And like just the way she like spoke to her mother, the way she like treated the situation until until randomly towards the end, you know, she switched up, and like you know, I respect her. Maybe, and I have the right to acknowledge that maybe I don't I'm not showing the most amount of kindness towards the situation and like most being as understanding as I could be when it comes to like children. Because they are children, they are little humans, I understand. But for me, it just felt like people have so much already going for her for for like for them, and like children sometimes cannot and just like not considerate. Just quite honestly. I understand like sometimes, yeah, how can a child be considerate? I'm like, well, there are kids who do it, like it yeah, but let me not run into let me not run into like some other ethics or like you know, yeah, let's it's let's just keep it. Um I have I am canoff merch.
Ofili:I was about to cop the hoodie, the hoodie here. Yeah, I am canoe.
Steve:I'm I'm you know I'm a crew neck guy, so like I bought a t-shirt, I couldn't find a hoodie, but I might I might I'm ready. I'm ready to show the world that I am canoe.
Ofili:Ryan Goslin did he did he did his thing, he did what he had to do. I don't know why um I don't want him to win an Oscar for that. I've been seeing a lot of supporting actor chat, no, please, let's be for real. But he did his thing and he was actually really good. And it's just crazy. I think I said this before on one of the earlier episodes, but people saying why would they cast Ryan Goslin was so mind-blowing to me because look, have you seen this man's film? Have you seen him in anything literally? Like he has a wide range and he's so good in everything. His filmography is stacked. I don't know why anyone would think that. Let's forget about Grey Man, though. Let's forget about that grey man. When people say his filmography, they don't even mention that part. We all just collectively count that out.
Steve:Yeah, let's let's push that to the side, but his filmography is stacked. I'm going to be honest. Okay. Um question now, and I feel like I know what you're gonna be. So there's arguments about the song, best original song, and we know it needs to go to Bobby. I'm not going to lie. They will surprise us maybe and give it to Anzi, but you know, that's just a legacy shout-out, snow. But if they're being honest, who would you give it to?
Ofili:Best original song.
Steve:Yeah. What was I made for? Or I'm just Ken.
Ofili:So I was talking like when the sound the day the soundtrack dropped, I was with someone and we listened to it, and I did like a like ranking or whatever of the album. And um, what was I made for was my number one, I'm just Ken was my number two. This was before we had seen the movie because the soundtrack came out before. And I'm like, these are these are going to be pivotal to the movie, and they were. Um, well, I'm a Billy Eilish fan. I'm not ashamed to admit that on the podcast. And what was I made for was so heartbreaking in the way that it's used in the film. But outside of that, it stands, it's a good song on its own. I listened to it on its own. Oh, this is the ones once. I've seen the music video. Like it's a song that can stand on its own, and it's a song that plays so well into the movie. Like that scene, come on, man. Like her holding, reaching out her hands, you know, into the old Barbie, going into the real world. It's just like like that is that song displays existentialism more than anything else could have. But at the same time, I'm just can is also a song about like Ken having an existential crisis, so it's like that is also important. The difference for me is I'm just can doesn't stand well on its own. Really? Does it stand well on its own outside of the movie? I don't think it does because you know they have the whole choreography which plays into it, you know, like all the dancing and like the the hook and all of that. Like, I'm not going to be on my ones on the driving down, you know, I-95 and I don't, I'm just Ken. But I've done that with what was I made for. The only thing is Billy won. Billy has won recently. What are you okay, bro? I'm okay, bro. Are you sure you're good, bro? I'm good, bro. The only thing is Billy won for no time to die. Um, and then I guess um Natu Natu won last year, and then now again, I don't know if the Academy is very excited about giving people you know back-to-back awards so soon, but she's my pick. Um, there's a few others though, you know. From Lit, there's a song from Little Mermaid, um, there's a couple other songs, so okay.
Steve:So I I heal it's my early pick, and I need to change my mind because I I did not think about it that way. Because you are right. I think I'm just I I'm just Ken is not as good of a song on its own. But the thing is you're talking about original screenplay songs, yeah, yeah, original screenplay. And I can truly tell you we can have the montage without you know we can have the montage without um what's it called? The montage without uh what was I made for, quite honestly, and the impact will be crazy, it would it would still be great. I know I agree, but I think and I I I need you to understand that I I'm just Ken is so true to the essence of the film. And I don't think it's simply about being Ken or being guys, I think it's more so about the other side of the message. Oh, wait, well, like one of the the major messages about like Barbie's like you are okay who you are, you know, you're okay as you are. And I'm just Ken really is like you get me, like it's it's actually going to use no, no, I don't.
Ofili:I'm going to use that point to counter you because the essence of the film is not like just having like just whatever I'm just ken is preaching, you know. Okay, because again, that's it's dangerous because I'm just Ken is talking about uh anywhere else I'll be a 10. Is this the life that was made for me? Like um, but the essence of the of the film is act like it has to center around Barbie. Whatever essence, whatever you're taking away from it, it has to center around Barbie. And what was I made for is literally the whole entire movie, like her discovering you know, what is there for her in this world. Like that is the truth. That's why I was chosen as the for the song as the song for the montage. Like, it couldn't have worked without that song, and it's the closer, you know, and emotional I hear what you're saying.
Steve:I I do I do want to talk about patriarchy though, because we can't really talk about Bobby without talking about patriarchy. You know this.
Ofili:I don't want to talk about patriarchy.
Steve:You don't want to talk about I feel like talking about patriarchy is a fun little time, bro.
Ofili:I will not be cut this way. No, you would not be cut this way. I'm not in line with too many people in my life already, so I'm just screaming.
Steve:Okay, I think one thing that I want to say is that I really hated the reception of Alan. Okay. Because it's it's kind of the way that like, you know, like being in Alan, like, you know, the Barbies ignored him, um, and the guys ignored him, the Kens ignored him. And he just felt very sad in the story. And I feel like, you know, especially with the guys ignoring him, because you know, his gender identities shouldn't like be more affirmed with him, but like not agreeing with like some of their like super masculine and you know, patriarchal ideals made him alienated from the society or from the group, and you can kind of tell, like you can see that happening. Um a lot of times, you know, people like if your friends are like super, you know, alpha alpha male, you know, super patriarchal, you know, downright sometimes, you know, basically bad people, they all alienate you. Yeah. And it just felt very bad, like seeing like that experience for Alan in the story. Yeah. But I like that in the end he was like kind of redeemed, like his character was kind of redeemed. It was good.
Ofili:Um I'm a big Michael Sarah fan. I see him, I watch and I enjoy it. I'm a very simple man in that.
Steve:I think for you, remember when I first like watched it and we talked, I was like, mm-hmm. It was like literally on the walk back, I was like, Yeah, I didn't really like Alan's character, I didn't find it that funny. And like you were cracking up and having a ball. I think like what it came to for me is that I just kind of clocked that maybe when I see Michael Sterra, I expect something more. Or I'm trying to like figure out what's going on. But for you, you're like, I'm taking this guy as he is, and I'm having a fun time.
Ofili:He has not shown he has not given me reason over the course of his career to expect more. It's like I find Steve Carell, for example, if I see him in literally anything, I know, or um Jim Carrey, like they haven't given me reason. And then when they do, which Steve Carell has, you know, oftentimes, or Jim Carrey also has, I'm like, oh, pleasantly surprised because I was not expecting this at all. I go into these um knowing what to expect, and then I when I see what you know, Ryan Reynolds, too, that's another example. I know I already know what I'm getting, I know I'm going for, and then he delivers every time. And then if it does, if he does something different, like if he takes on a more serious role or more, you know, profound, makes a really, really good monologue or something, then I'm like, oh, okay, I didn't know we had that in the fact, but now I know and I enjoy it. And then the very next thing he goes back to being him, and I'm like, okay, I appreciate this too. So, but I think we're almost at time. So let's just close this out with what are you most looking forward to? You know, June's been cancelled. We got a couple, we got three trailers. Alhamdulillah. Dune has been cancelled, or postponed rather. Um, we got three trailers dropped this week, um, and a couple more are coming. So, um, what are you most looking forward to this year for the rest of the year?
Steve:Okay, I'm looking forward, I'm looking for a girlfriend so we can go watch bottoms together. I feel like that would be a fun fucking time. Um, so if you know anyone, you know, lean into it. Really dive in and hook me up so I can have someone to watch bottoms with. Okay. Looks like a fun time. Wanna watch Ferrari? I'm going to watch Ferrari. It's a shame that it comes out on Christmas, but I think my family might have to take the L. Um screw the family. I'm going to the theater. That's crazy. I'm going to go watch Ferrari. It's okay. Um, so I think ideally it is bottoms then Ferrari that I'm looking forward to.
Ofili:What about you? Um, I'm going to say two serious ones and then one not so serious. So obviously, the killer that I think that even goes without saying. Um Finchers, Return, uh Fastbender, you know. And it's just so many parallels with like stuff that he's done. Like he took like his inspiration was himself, bro. That's so bad. Um, so um, I just saw him at the the New York Film Festival or Tribeca rather, and that was an amazing time. Like, just getting to hear him talk about his process and everything. Um, number two, obviously, killers of Flower Moon. Well, that's even number one that I'm still looking forward to, and that goes without saying. Um, I do think though, people are setting the expectations way too high. I've been seeing talk about Oppenheimer making a billion, sets the room for killers of the flower moon to run. And I'm like, you know, the whole thing, you know that tweet about film bros will make you watch a film, a black and white film shot in set in Eastern Romania, set through the eyes of a pigeon. This is that Killers of the Far Moon is that film that people are talking about. It's three and a half hours, bro. It's 30 longer than Oppenheimer already, which was really, really long. And people said that they couldn't sit through it because of how long it was. Obviously, we don't have intermission. It's a slow burn, it's a slow burn, it's not just any slow burn, it's a scorsese slow burn. I don't know why we think like you should take his 275 million global global gross and go to Apple TV, bro. Like, there's no I'm not getting excited. Uh, you can't fool me. Oppenheimer is running off of riding off of people really wanting to see it in the iMacs, people really wanting to see multiple times to catch things that they missed. The whole Barbie thing, the whole Nolan thing, you know, and then the ones that are.
Steve:I think it's the Nolan thing and also Barbie's attachment double feature. Because I saw some people were like literally still dressed, like dressed in their pink and doing my side, just like I get that.
Ofili:So I I think we're we're being too excited for that, but I'm I'm I'm looking forward to that. And then my not so serious one is Wonka. And I'm not going to explain too much on that. Just take it. I I was about to talk shit because I thought you didn't like that. What? No, it has Timothy Sharmi. Yeah, I know, but I thought like you didn't enjoy what it looked like. I didn't enjoy the trailer, I didn't enjoy parts of the trailer because I was expecting something different.
Steve:You know, you know, you you I will lie, you you called me and you were like, he's not he's not like Will Farrell. Yeah, I said that, yeah. Yeah, so I like his delivery is not like a silly, goofy kind of guy.
Ofili:He's not Tom Holland, is what I'm trying to say.
Steve:Like, I don't think he's not Tom Holland, yeah. That's the that's it.
Ofili:Tom Holland is the perfect casting. He's not, you know, that, but I was expecting him to have that in his bag, but he just wasn't given that. But what why part of the reason why I'm very excited is I haven't seen his chemistry as much with the younger understudy, he's typically the younger understudy. That's I mean, we got to see a little bit of that in Bones and All, but that wasn't much younger, like they were romantically involved. She was just younger than him, and he led her into the world of cannibalism or whatnot. This is the first time. This is the first time that I'm actually getting to see him in like with the proper understudy, and he has insanely good chemistry with the with the little kid, so um, those are my three, and the year is just so stacked, you know. The year is stacked, taking due now, and it's still a stacked year, it's so crazy.
Steve:So I think Napoleon is coming out, also, which is like a great time. Um, I do want to say to leave you guys off with something to watch. Um, I'm currently trying Warrior on HBO Max, it's not bad. I love hijack on Apple TV. That was a great one. Cool sign, cool sign. Don't be like my coworker who watched it on the flight. Please. That's hilarious. Insane because he was in Ireland and it was coming back to America and he watched it watched like the first episode on the flight. I don't know why you would do that to yourself. Um, what else am I watching? Recently, um animated things. I tried like the Harley Quinn new season, it's not great. Okay, um, maybe it's because like I've just not been in an animated thing kind of mood recently, um, so that's possible. And on Hulu, oh my god, I I don't think I have anything crazy on Hulu. Do you have anything crazy on Hulu? No, I haven't seen anything on Hulu in a while. Yeah, yeah. I think my go-to Hulu thing, oh, I'm also watching Domina, but that's on like MGM Plus, which is like you know, it's period piece, but like set in like Roman times, like guys Julius time, it's interesting stuff. I love it. Yeah, okay. But yeah, you people have a lot to watch. Um honestly, pick any aspect of this podcast, and we've probably what mentioned like a movie or a film that you should watch. Um, if you haven't watched Oppenheimer, please go watch it. Um the spoilers are very minimum. I I tell you now, whatever spoilers we gave you is not going to affect the three hours of content you. We talked about it for watching it. Yeah, we're not touch anything, yeah, and we didn't like say anything kind of crazy, yeah. But yeah. Also, I'm gonna watch Are You There God, it's Margaret today. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I'm I'm excited because like I remember we had this discourse about like Ben Safety finding his own niece. I was like, I'm telling you, go watch Good Play Good Time. I haven't seen that. He's like a good weird guy.
Ofili:He's such a good weird guy. I I I I said it to someone too, but I'm like, I feel like he has to play like a silly little gay dude, but not like silly little and not gay. He can't be gay, right? He has to play, he has to be straight in the in the role, but he's playing like a silly little gay dude, and he knocks it out the park, and it also has to be like a period, like a drama set in a different period. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Steve:But not a period drama, so not like in a different period than role. Um good time, it's kind of different because he's uh he's mentally disabled.
Ofili:Oh, oh yeah, so and he does interesting. He does I'm adding that to the watch this right now, yeah. I think it's on Netflix, or when I watched it, it was on Netflix because I think it was Showtime. I think when you said that I went and looked it up and Patterson, so yeah, I'm not a big Patton fan, so that explains why I haven't seen it. Really? Yeah, I'm not that big.
Steve:I always knew you like taste, I'm sorry, bro. Steve likes taste as he throws out the pod. Okay, bro.
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Ofili:Same ads for Instagram as well, same for YouTube, Cinephiles Aisle Podcast, or honestly.
Steve:If you have any DM us if you have any ideas, quite honestly. We like interaction, we like engagement. DM us if you have any ideas, or if you want to be on an episode, uh, we should be having a guest for you next episode, honestly. So that's gonna be a fun time.
Ofili:Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So keep keep an eye out. Um, also, um send us your letterbox.
Steve:Let us either because I want to raise people's letterboxes. Because sometimes I see some things and I'm like, what are you watching? And what are you documenting that you're watching? You're not ashamed.
Ofili:Bro, that's me. I would watch anything, especially when No, I don't think we're watching it, but hide it from the world.
Steve:Don't particularly letterbox. We can all see your letterbox.
Ofili:Oh my god. Yeah. Um, um, reach out to us by DM or there's a there's a way to in the bat in the bio, the description of this episode, there's contact information and a way to leave us a message. So you know reach out. We'll be looking forward to that.
Steve:Yeah, we love the interaction with you guys. Okay, so shout out to you guys. Hope you guys have a great day. We're heading out.
Ofili:Okay, hope you enjoyed the pod. See you later.
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