Ep. 185: Trust, Access and Action: Dr. Curry-Winchell on Clinicians Who Care

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Founder and Chief Medical Officer, Beyond Clinical Walls, and Founder, Clinicians Who Care, joins us to discuss how she’s transforming care for children and families. She shares how bridging access gaps, addressing social determinants of health and building trust through community-centered care are essential to advancing whole child health beyond the clinic. We also highlight her new initiative, Clinicians Who Care, which connects patients with trusted clinicians who prioritize empathy, trust and patient-centered care.

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Featuring:
Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Founder & Chief Medical Officer, Beyond Clinical Walls, and Founder, Clinicians Who Care

Host/Producer: Carol Vassar

Views expressed by guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the host or management. 

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Transcript

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Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (00:12):

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Music (00:34):

Let's go, Well Beyond Medicine.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (00:36):

Hi everyone. When we were at HLTH in Las Vegas last fall, we welcome back to the podcast, a dynamic guest we've had on before. She's a social media influencer, a podcaster, and a family medicine physician. It's Dr. Bayo Curry-Winchell. She is the founder of Beyond Clinical Walls, and she also had the opportunity, when we spoke, to talk about a few additional projects that she is doing to grow Beyond Clinical Walls. It was a really great conversation and I'm happy to share it with you right now. Enjoy.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (01:11):

Thank you for having me. It is a joy and pleasure to be with you again.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (01:15):

I love your energy. You are just the most positive person. I'm so glad we're doing video because the pink is just popping for us this morning. Since we talked last year at HLTH, tell me how Beyond Clinical Walls has grown, changed. What have you done that's new, that's different, that's working for you?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (01:34):

We have spread our wings even bigger. I've always been passionate about health equity and health literacy. And now, through the lead of health advocacy, I'm able to touch and help even more people. So health literacy is an important piece when it comes to getting your health and getting access, but also how do you stand up for yourself when you see your doctor? And so to be able to bring together not only the literacy that I bring online, television, and so forth, but how I can help people know the behind-the-scenes, as a physician, and help them advocate, whether you're in the emergency room, whether you have a scheduled surgery, whether you're seeing your primary care doctor, is powerful. And that's what we're doing.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (02:16):

Your videos, I follow you. And your videos are just ... They really humanize who you are as a person and who you are as a doctor. Talk about how your personality drives this medical information that is evidence-based that you're putting out there.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (02:35):

I've always danced to my own beat through medical school, residency, all with the intent of knowing that who I am matters. And so I say that because I get to see different personalities in my clinic, I meet different people at conferences, but what the commonality piece is we're all human. And so if I can bring who I am and that connects with somebody else, whether it's in the clinic or at a conference, there's an ability to be able to share information in a way that meets people where they are. And so embracing who I am, how I am, has been the mainstay staple of every single thing I do. And when I do that, it builds trust. It builds the ability to say, "Oh, I would like to know more about this health topic," or, "I'm not sure about this condition or chronic illness that I'm dealing with. Can you help me?" And so that's how I've shaped my personality into the healthcare that I get to deliver in all areas.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (03:39):

You deliver healthcare still, firsthand. You're going to leave here on Wednesday, and you're going into, I think, a double shift at your hospital. Talk about that. And the fact that you still practice is so important to what you do.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (03:55):

Practicing medicine, seeing patients, is the core to who I am. So anything that I do, whether you see me on television, see me speaking, I'm bringing a level of authenticity to every single thing I say and do. Because how can you share the information if you're not actively doing it with patients? And for me, I cherish the opportunity I get to be a part of people's lives. So when I leave here, exactly, I will go, and I'll do my back-to-back hospital shifts. I'll see many patients, and it is my honor to be their doctor, and it is a privilege to be their doctor. So that trust and that ability to be a part of people's lives, I'll never stop. No matter what happens, I'm going to continue to be a physician because that is what, I personally believe what I was meant to do.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (04:52):

You are a clinician who cares, and you have a new platform. That leads us right into, perfectly, Clinicians Who Care. What is that? Tell us about it.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (05:03):

Well, a lot of people have heard about being gaslit or dismissed. I'm currently writing a book about how to stand up for yourself when you see your doctor. And through this process, I realized there was one story that I hadn't shared with the world. And that story was when I was a third-year medical student, I started losing my hair. I was getting headaches daily. I was experiencing extreme fatigue that was so bad that I could barely get out of bed. And so I went to the doctor, and I was told, "You're just anxious because you're in medical school. You're stressed because this is medical school." And I knew that wasn't right because that's not how I felt. So I finally got to a doctor, two years later, to believe me, and I ultimately got a diagnosis of lupus and a clotting disorder. So I shared that story online.

(05:58):

And when I did, a beautiful thing happened. In the comment section, people were sharing the name of a doctor who believed them. And then I thought to myself, what would happen if I created a list that connected people with doctors who've been shown to listen and believe their patients? All of us have called a friend and said, "Do you know the name of a doctor that you like, that you trust, that was great?" So why not put that in a list and a resource form? So I did. So the list is very simple. It's clinicianswhocare.com. You put in the name of your doctor, you put your city, your state, and now your country, because we're worldwide as of four weeks ago, we are in all 50 states. We're in Europe, we're in Canada, we're in Australia, and then you click down the specialty, and then you write in your own voice why that doctor made a difference in your life.

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These are all positive comments because there's a lot of things that are fractured in our healthcare system. But if I can do something to connect the dots, if you have the name of a doctor that someone else recommended, that listened and believed them, that gives you a running start, and no one else has done this. And so think Yelp for restaurants, think Angie's List, all of those things. And so we are not a recommendation review list. We are a patient crowdsource community of people helping others connect with doctors around the world.

(07:33):

And two days ago, I got a DM, and this woman shared that, for years, she had been dismissed by several doctors. She found a gynecologist on my list. She went to her, and she got diagnosed with ovarian cancer. And so, although this news is bad, what she celebrated was: I found a doctor. I found someone to listen and believe me. And this list is powerful. It's a resource that will help people across the world, and it is helping people. And I'm so proud of it.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer(08:07):

What I'm hearing here is this is not a place for people to go and trash a doctor they don't like.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (08:12):

Nope.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (08:13):

This is all about ...

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (08:15):

Positive.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer(08:15):

Positive recommendations, if you will, or positive reviews of doctors you do like and who you would say to your best friend who called you up, "Hey, check out doctor X, Y, Z."

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (08:25):

That's exactly what it is. It's all positive comments. There are amazing doctors out there, but it can be hard to find them. So if you go to a list and you can see, you live in Connecticut and you are looking for a ophthalmologist, an eye doctor, and you want that eye doctor to be LGBTQ+ friendly and you want to make sure they have a great bedside manner, you get to read a personal review from someone who shared, "This doctor saw me, this doctor heard me and they helped me ultimately get a diagnosis."

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (08:59):

I saw this actually in a video that you posted a couple of days ago. That's very powerful. What other powerful videos have you put out there that have really changed people's lives, and people have given you that feedback? It's like, "Hey, this has been amazing for me."

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (09:18):

So I have shared multiple videos. One video that I recently shared was how a patient, she was a 35-year-old woman who came in who had just delivered a baby, I believe it was like eight days prior. And she came into my clinic, and she was suffering with blurred vision. She was feeling very tired and having headaches. And she's a new mom. And she was like, "I don't know, Dr. Bayo, I think this is how I'm supposed to be feeling, but it just feels off." And in my mind, immediately, I was like, "Oh my goodness, I think you have preeclampsia.", And she, after I said that, postpartum preeclampsia, which can happen, she was like, "I wasn't going to tell you, but I saw one of your videos talking about postpartum preeclampsia, about an influencer that you had shared that story. And I remembered those symptoms. So I came in, and I saw you because I thought maybe I could have this."

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer(10:14):

And she did.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (10:16):

And she did.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer(10:17):

And she saw you in person?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (10:18):

She saw me in person.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (10:20):

Oh my goodness. You've got-

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (10:21):

[laughter] Yeah.-

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (10:21):

Tears in your eyes, girl. Don't cry.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (10:23):

I do.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (10:24):

Or cry if it helps.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (10:25):

Because that gave her ... She felt like, "Oh my gosh, these symptoms that Dr. Bayo has seen, I'm having these right now." And maybe it is something because, especially with women, sometimes we second-guess ourselves.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (10:39):

Oh, absolutely.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (10:40):

Or we think, "Oh, that may go away." Or, "I really don't want to bother the doctor. I don't want to waste anybody's time."

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (10:46):

Or I don't have the time because I'm taking care of the kids, or I'm working. Yeah.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (10:49):

Yes. But if you can see, oh my gosh, that symptom, that symptom, maybe it is something. And so that just warms my heart.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (10:58):

And you're all about the maternal health. Where are we seeing gaps? Where can we maybe work through the education types that you're using, the videos, the online social, to help fill those gaps?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (11:14):

There's a lot of gaps out there, but I think the first thing that we can do is recognize the stories because when people hear the stories of women's health, specifically the understanding that we are more than reproductive health, we are a full spectrum of health. So it's not just menopause, it's not just delivering babies, it is Alzheimer's, it's dementia, it's hypertension. All of those things encompass women's health.

(11:43):

And so that's why, as a family medicine doctor, I highlight on many topics that aren't always thought of women's health, but it is women's health. And so to close that gap, we need to think outside the box and remember that our health goes from our head to our toes. And so we have to think about all those areas of those health. So that means getting funding for more research, because currently, we know clinical trials haven't always included women. And so the current medications that we take to this day may not have been studied. A great example is the medication Ambien. We found out a couple years ago, when a woman was pulled over because she was drowsy when she was driving, that she had taken Ambien. Well, what happened was: Ambien hadn't been studied in women. Only men. And we found out that we metabolize that medication differently.

(12:39):

Of course we do. We have different hormones than men, but currently, a lot of the clinical trials only include men. And so what was found was she had too high of a dose of Ambien. It should be five milligrams. And what is the recommendation today? To give women a lesser dose. But that only happened because of, unfortunately, an event that happened with that woman falling asleep. So I share that story because we have to look at how are medications that are being given to women, how are they being studied? In order for them to be studied, it has to be funded. It has to be researched. So,, there's many gaps, but we have to look at each layer and how it impacts our overall health. Let's get out of this reproductive and menopause. Yes, that's important, but all of our health is important.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (13:29):

Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's talk about health literacy. I know that we're not very health literate in this nation. You're producing health literature through your videos, through your social media,as a physician, I really encourage the medical students, the residents, and my colleagues, that's, as you say, thinking outside of the box. Where can we scale that? How can we scale that so that we are reaching all the populations, from toddlers all the way up to people in their 90s and nearing 100, so that they are as literate about health and their own health as possible?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (14:06):

So starting with as a physician, I really encourage the medical students, the residents, my colleagues, to get online because that is where your patients are getting their information. So in order to scale health literacy, and we always hear you got to meet people where they are, well, they're online. So I encourage in any spectrum of health, whether you're a social worker, whether you're a physician, any area, think about something that is important to you and think about how would you like to share that information online. And you can also write an article. You can write whatever thing that speaks to you, put that in a way that it amplifies because health literacy is consumed in different ways. We all digest information differently. So to scale it, let's get out of that, where I can only see or deliver information in an exam room. No. You can write an article, you can share a video. A 60-second video on Instagram or TikTok can reach millions, and that's a real way to scale health literacy.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (15:16):

-Are physicians hesitant? What barriers are stopping them from actually stepping out, like you do and doing this?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (15:23):

There's a lot of fear of, I don't want to just put myself out there. What happens if the information isn't well-received? Will my institution support me? That's a question that I hear often, where I work at a major hospital, and I'm afraid that I will violate the human resources rules and regulations. And so I say to those people who want to do that, the first thing that you can do is make sure, if you are sharing health information, that is your lane, that is your expertise.

(15:56):

So if you decide to go online and you share health information, do it in a way that separates yourself from that institution so you can share that information, write an article, or talk to your institution and say, "I've got something that I'm really excited about to help more people." Just engaging that conversation with your institution that can maybe find a way to collaborate and reach people within that organization, and maybe even beyond. So just give it a try. You never know. You may fall in love with it, like I did. And that's what I say, just give it a try. And start with a very short video, like 30 to 60 seconds, and really make it specific to something that you're passionate about.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (16:38):

What would you say to physicians who are maybe a little leery because they could lose authenticity, they could lose authority in their role as physicians, that would encourage them to step out of that comfort zone and move into an area like you're in?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (16:55):

So you will not lose your authority, you will not lose your credibility. If anything, you will gain a better trust with your community, with your patients that you are seeing, because you are in a space that they're in. When you connect with people where they're consuming that information, it makes you a stronger doctor. It makes you a better advocate for your patients. So I say to anyone who is afraid that their credibility and their authenticity will be less than, it will actually be stronger more than you could ever imagine, because right now you're in a silo, but if you join forces with the other clinicians that are online, it makes you so much more empowered and powerful to help people.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (17:47):

I'm looking at the adolescent space, and your children are nine and 11, I believe, moving towards that adolescent place. Do you worry about where teenagers are getting their information, especially; they're big on Snapchat, they're big on TikTok, and not everyone out there is as credible as you are. Do you worry about that misinformation that's out there?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (18:13):

I do. There's so much misinformation, and it can be really hard. As a parent myself of a nine-year-old and an 11-year-old, I do my best to try to make sure that there are parental controls, there are different things around social media, but it can be hard. And so the one thing that I recommend is have a conversation with your preteen, your teen, and lead with curiosity. And a great example is I've said to my 11-year-old, "Jordan, I would like to know what are your interests when it comes to Instagram? What do you know and what would you like to know more of?" That way, she feels invited into the conversation. There's an ability for her to say, which she did. She's like, "Mommy, my friends are watching this creator."

(19:01):

I learned so much in that conversation because then I wasn't coming at her in a way of, you're doing something wrong, or I want to know what you're doing. I was just curious, like, tell me more. So, there's different things you can do. The first two things I would say is one, of course, make sure those parental controls are on your child's phone, and so forth. And the other thing is to lead with a curious question. Of, "I would like to know what your interests are. What do you already know?" And that can really help with this world of misinformation, and that way, you can combat it as it comes towards you.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (19:38):

We're living in an AI world. The algorithms are targeting you, they're targeting me, they're targeting your kids, my kids, my grandkids. Have you seen any progress or pitfalls when it comes to bias and digital health tools in your practice, and also in the practice of the videos that you do, the social media that you do?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (20:00):

I have. AI is a great innovation, great tools, great technology is happening, but we can't forget that the inequities and disparities that are there, when that AI hasn't been really embedded with equity, it perpetuates the inequities that were already there, because behind every algorithm, behind every new innovation is a human. And that human may be somebody of color, may be somebody from a marginalized community, may be in a socioeconomic crisis. So if you haven't taken the time to make sure your new innovation, your new technology, we're going to help all of the patients, she has diabetes, is addressing that person's exact needs, you're not moving the needle.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (20:46):

Right.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (20:47):

So we have to make sure that anything that you are building, you actually connect it with the community that you are trying to help. And how do you do that? You invest in learning more about what their resources are, learning more about what their situation is. And a great example, I had a woman who works in the casino, she's living paycheck to paycheck, and she takes the bus to go to work, she takes the bus to come and see me. And I remember hearing about this new technology that was like, we're going to help all of the patients, she has diabetes, be able to have access to their drugs. And it's a great platform, but she can barely afford her cell phone bill. So how is she supposed to access your app and access all the things that you want to help maximize her health for her diabetes if she can't even afford her Cricket bill? So that is a real example of making sure whoever's behind that algorithm, that app, can they really even use your resources?

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (21:52):

Have you worked on the development of anything like that and given that advice to folks?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (21:58):

So I've worked with multiple companies. I recently just spoke, actually, here at HLTH USA, with an amazing company that is making sure that their company, when it comes to maternal health, because a lot of people heard my story about how I almost passed away giving birth. And what they've done is they put together digital tools that help address the maternal health crisis. And what happens is there's this assumption, this feeling like, this new tool will change the trajectory of black women or people dying at birth.

(22:31):

But if you haven't addressed what's happening at the bedside, what is that disconnect that is happening between the nurse, the doctor, and the patient that is causing people to miss when someone's bleeding, to miss when someone's in pain that could be an emergency? So this company that I spoke with is bridging the gap together. And how did they do that? They went, and they talked to the women of color, and they listened to their stories. You and I talked about what is one of the gaps and what is the way that we can help amplify and address this. It's listening to the stories of what has happened. If you don't know what's happened in the past, how are you supposed to address to help in the future? And so that's a great example.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (23:15):

That's knowing your history, no matter what field you're in.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (23:19):

Correct. And the other part is the clinicianswhocare.com, my free list is a real resource because if you can listen or read an experience from someone, let's say a mom, I actually had this mom reach out. She has a neurodivergent child, and she's looking for a pediatrician that will be not only have a bedside manner, but will know about neurodivergent, will know about some of the issues that her child is experiencing. That's a way to reduce those inequities and gaps because, from the beginning, you're getting the care that you need.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (23:59):

You partner with some pretty big organizations, including, I'm going to look at my list here, the American Heart Association, the American Cancer Society. How did you come to partner with them, and what makes those partnerships successful when the goal is genuine community impact and not just, "Here I am, I'm visible."

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (24:20):

So these communities reached out to me, and I share with that part first because it is important to me. Any organization that I decide to partner with, it has to feel authentic. It has to feel where I am passionate about it. And so I am very picky about which ones I joined forces. So, the American Red Cross reached out to me because they heard about my birth story, and they knew that I had been ...

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (24:49):

Transfused.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (24:50):

I had been transfused. And so it was a lovely story because it was a story of authenticity. And so every company that I partner with, there's a love, there's a passion, and there's a north star for me. Who can I help? How will my message or story help somebody? Because I'm thinking of the person who is watching that video, who is taking in this information. That is always at the forefront, because whether I'm in the clinic, I'm writing an article, or I'm with a brand, who is behind that video that's listening to me? Will I help them? What is the ultimate goal? And that will always be the only reason why I will partner with a company.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (25:32):

I'm a former Red Crosser, so I'm on board with what you're saying. Biomedical services, donate no matter who your blood donation organization is. Red Cross covering about 50% of the nation in terms of transfusable blood.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (25:46):

Yes.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (25:46):

So thank you for sharing your story with them. Again, I'm very passionate about that. You've said healthcare should be delivered in all areas. What are examples of that happening right now, outside of clinical walls, when you point to the future of medicine and healthcare?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (26:05):

So I'm very excited about the future, and I'm excited about breaking out of the norm of healthcare only being delivered one way. Healthcare, yes, the exchange between patient and doctor in the exam room is powerful, but when it comes to social media, television, writing, I think we have to realize that our world of healthcare is changing and evolving daily. So, making sure that we, maybe we're doing a video, maybe we're speaking at a conference like here at HLTH USA, but remembering when you do those different forms of delivery of healthcare outside the norms, that information is going to trickle back to that person, whoever that person is seeing, and their family. And then that person is going to say it to somebody else. And so I think looking at the pipeline of health information and how we deliver it and how it's going to trickle down is essential. And so social media, television, writing, all areas.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (27:12):

This is an AI-driven, seemingly conference, health, technology, maybe some augmented reality in here. You've presented, you've hosted, you've moderated, and you've done it all with humanity. Some people would say those two don't necessarily go together. I argue they do, and you do it quite well. How do you manage to do that? Bring the humanity into the technology.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (27:38):

I think about the patients I see in my clinic. I think about every time someone pitches me a new innovation, I'm thinking about a 25-year-old woman with one child who has a chronic illness, and I'm like, "Can this innovation actually help her?" And that brings that humanity back to everything that I listen to, that I see, that I'm delivering. And humanity is the essential core to healthcare. My oath of do no harm is a part of humanity. And in medical school, I learned to listen. That is the first piece that you are supposed to do. So I'm able to lean into my humanity because I listen and I remember the person I'm serving, and I'm serving patients. I'm serving people in my community, and that's why it spills over. And remembering that gratitude for every single thing that I have the opportunity to do is core, core to me.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (28:47):

What's next for you, Dr. Bayo Curry-Winchell?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (28:52):

So many things that I'm excited about. Of course, Clinicians Who Care. That's growing. I also am very excited that I have been signed by Penguin Random House for a book that will launch in June 2026. And I was signed by Maria Shriver's imprint, The Open Field, and she is an amazing, amazing, just, woman, leader, advocate. And she knew that I had a story to tell, but not just a story, that I had something that I know will help people across the world advocate for themselves. So this book is going to be about when you see your doctor, how do you stand up for yourself? I'm going to give behind-the-scenes language on how to connect with your doctor. How do you share what's bothering you in a way that is, I call it my three Cs, clear, concise, and confident?

(29:48):

A great example. Sometimes when you go to the doctor, if you don't feel well, you may say, "Oh, I don't feel well. It's been happening for a couple of days." Well, in this book, I share, instead of saying that, say, "My stomach has been hurting for three days. I can't eat, and it's impacting the quality of my life." When you say it in that order, as a doctor, I know that doctor is going to automatically have what we call a running list in your head, a differential diagnosis, and they're thinking certain conditions. So if I can share with you how to say that, in what order, it is a powerful way to stand up for yourself. So that's just a flavor of what this book will have. And it's June 2026, and I'm excited.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (30:32):

What's the name of the book again?

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (30:33):

So we're working with the title-

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (30:35):

Oh, you don't have a title yet.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (30:36):

But it's how to advocate for yourself. So I'm excited.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (30:42):

We're going to have to have you back on sooner than October of next year, just so we can talk about that book.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (30:48):

Yes. June 2026. So I'm very excited.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer(30:51):

You are a gem. You are a dynamo, Dr. Bayo Curry-Winchell. Thank you so much for being on the podcast.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (30:59):

Thank you for having me. This was such a joy. You do a fantastic job ...

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (31:07):

Oh, thank you. You're very kind.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (31:07):

Bringing health information, and I loved it. I loved every bit of the conversation.

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer (31:10):

And I did too. Thank you so much.

Bayo Curry-Winchell, MD, Beyond Clinical Walls (31:11):

Thank you.

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Well beyond medicine. 

Carol Vassar, podcast host/producer:

We definitely had fun together that day, last fall at HLTH in Las Vegas. You know, this is part of a series of podcast episodes recorded at that time, featuring healthcare leaders from across various sectors speaking to the work they're doing that positively impacts children's health.

We have a few more of these episodes recorded at HLTH to get to you in the coming weeks and months, so please check out the series and all of our podcast episodes on your favorite podcast app and smart speaker, the Nemours YouTube channel, and on our website, nemourswellbeyond.org. Visit there to leave a podcast episode idea, a review, or subscribe to the podcast along with our monthly e-newsletter. That address again is nemourswellbeyond.org. 

Our production team for this episode includes Susan Masucci, Lauren Teta, Cheryl Munn, and Alex Wall. Video production by Sebastian Riella and Britt Moore. Audio production by yours truly. On-site production assistance was provided by Robbie Dorius and his team from HLTH, and we thank them for it.

I'm Carol Vassar. Thank you for listening. Join us next time as we examine the flip side of a technology-enabled hospital room. Advanced care at home for children. Until then, remember, we can change children's health for good, well beyond medicine.

Announcer (31:16):

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