Menopause Rise and Thrive | Helping Women Navigate Midlife and Menopause

122. Acceptance in Menopause

• Dr. Sara Poldmae | Healer, Doctor of Acupuncture and Chinese medicine, and Functional Medicine Practitioner

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Are you feeling like your body—and your life—aren’t quite your own anymore?
 Maybe the weight gain, brain fog, sleepless nights, and emotional overwhelm have left you wondering, “Who even am I right now?” If that sounds familiar, this episode is for you.

In today’s deeply honest and empowering conversation, I’m joined by self-love and relationship coach Christina Ketchen to explore the concept of acceptance—not as giving up, but as a powerful path to freedom and healing during midlife transitions like menopause.

Whether you’re struggling with your changing body, identity, or just trying to stay grounded through it all, this episode will help you reconnect to your power and remember: you’re not alone.

Christina Ketchen is a Certified Life and Relationship Coach, HeartMath® Certified Practitioner, and graduate of the Hoffman Institute who has spent nearly a decade coaching both individuals and couples. With over 10,000 hours of experience, she helps people move beyond old patterns and get to know themselves from a grounded place of enoughness. Christina blends science, story, and heartfelt strategy to guide people toward emotional resilience, self-love, and healthier relationships.

 

In this episode:

  • What acceptance really means—and what it doesn’t
  • How to embrace the “ands” of midlife: “This is hard, and I’m moving forward”
  • The surprising connection between nervous system regulation and emotional resilience
  • Why saying your inner thoughts out loud can shift everything
  • Christina’s near-death experience and how it transformed her relationship with change
  • Two powerful tools you can use right now: Heart-Focused Breathing and Journaling
  • How to reframe identity loss as an evolution into something new

 

Resources Mentioned:

·         FREE RESOURCE: Christina’s Masterclass + Dreamscaping Tool
→ https://christinaketchen.com/masterclass/

  • Hoffman Institute: https://www.hoffmaninstitute.org
  • HeartMath Tools + Coherence App: https://www.heartmath.com

 

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Connect with me, Dr. Sara Poldmae:

Website: https://risingwomanproject.com

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/drsarapoldmae

Have a question I can answer? Send me a message! I love to hear from my listeners!

Sara Poldmae:

Sarah, welcome to menopause. Rise and thrive. I am Dr. Sarah pulled me and this podcast is your go to guide for navigating perimenopause and menopause. If you are feeling a little overwhelmed, trust me, you are in great company. Each week, I'll bring you expert advice, raw, honest conversations and simple tips to help you stay grounded and maybe even find some humor in the process. Let's rise, thrive and tackle this wild ride together. Hello, hello, welcome back, ladies today, we are diving into something that affects every woman at some point, change, and not just the change we choose, but the things that we don't get to control, like menopause. Christina is with us today. I'm super excited to have her as a guest on this show, and she believes that acceptance isn't about giving up, but about finding growth and empowerment in these changes. I am so excited to explore the topic of acceptance with her, and let's dive in. Welcome to the show, Christina, please tell the audience a bit about yourself.

Christina Ketchen:

Thanks so much for having me here today, Sarah. I am a self love and relationship coach. I am 52 so I'm in that beautiful stage of life, and you'll notice the perspective force there. Yeah, I've been working with people for 10 years helping, essentially helping people understand themselves better, and really start helping people hear how they talk to themselves to ultimately, this is all ultimately in the spirit of trying to take down this, what I call this current epidemic of not enoughness. And I think a big part of this is acceptance, acceptance of who we are, where we're at, what we're experiencing. And as you and many of the listeners know, life throws puts hurdles in our way and throws curve balls our way that we didn't necessarily want and cannot choose, and maybe even wouldn't choose. And I think that the one there's one thing, yes, we can talk about gratitude, and we can talk about a growth mindset. We can talk about so many pieces, but this gift of acceptance, it's a nugget. It's a nugget to embrace, and I think it is ultimately so freeing. Yeah, I love that I'm

Sara Poldmae:

52 too. Welcome to the 52 club. And yeah, I mean, I think that we all go through things that we don't expect, and that's something that we can expect, right? Like change happens. It's the only constant. And so learning to, you know, there's that old saying of, you know, accepting the things you can't control, and the power that you have over the things you can. And I think acceptance is such a beautiful topic. I bring it up with my patients a lot, and I phrase it this way, because a lot of my patients, all of my patients, are women in the midlife transition, and it can be pretty miserable at times. So I start to ask them, Well, how long exactly is this going to last? And like, What do you mean? I don't know. I'm like, Well, that's the point, right? Like, we do not know what tomorrow is going to bring. So we can accept today as it is and take some action steps to create the changes that we want. But you know, if I were to tell my perimenopausal women this will be over tomorrow or the next day, it would be much easier to accept or, you know, perhaps this will be over in five years, and all it will be is a bunch of symptoms. You were miserable for five years and and now you're great. So it's really about accepting, at least in my thought process, accepting that we don't know what's around the corner and we can accept today for just today.

Christina Ketchen:

So you're saying there is light at the end of the tunnel, and that one day it is like, Oh, I feel so much better now that I'm not,

Sara Poldmae:

yeah, like, perimenopause has a shelf life, right? It can be different for each woman, that's for sure. You know, sometimes it's five years, sometimes it's 10 years. Some women walk through it with very little symptoms. Some walk through it with a cluster screw of symptoms. But yeah, I mean, it for sure, has a self limiting factor, and I say all the time, hey, we're lucky enough to have lived long enough to experience it. That doesn't diminish the symptoms, that doesn't diminish the the struggles that are there, but acceptance may so I'm going to pick your brains just just to start off with of where acceptance has played a big role in in your life. Like, give us an example of something that you have had as a life transition, that you've had to find acceptance with,

Christina Ketchen:

yeah, not necessarily related. It is mashed in with men of. Pause, but I, 11 months ago, was out hiking in the beautiful West Coast forest, and I literally fell off the edge of a cliff and tumbled 50 feet down a cliff and smashed into a tree that saved my life. Wow, and this era since then has been and that's why this acceptance topic comes up for me so much right now, because it has been a constant cycle of, okay, I have, I have no choice but to accept this right now, that this is what it is right now. Because the you know, I've it comes down to

Sara Poldmae:

man, I can't, you know, being unable to meet friends, to sit with more than one girlfriend at a time, because it's too overwhelming for my brain. I can't get in my car and go do errands. I can't listen to music, I can't go skiing. I all the things that I can no longer do. Right now, I have had to overcome, okay, embrace acceptance. Embrace acceptance. Because the opposite of acceptance is resistance, and resistance keeps us stuck, and it's actually quite miserable. Yeah, yeah, you sit with that, that that can be, and it's, it's interesting the words that we choose, because words have limitations, right? You can accept something and also resist it at the same time, but you can't be in a total state of both at once. I think so. You can't be in a total state of resistance and acceptance at once, but you can resist, in other words, taking actions to change your situation. That doesn't mean that you don't accept it. You just can't be in 100% resistance to the point where you're like, This isn't my reality. I'm not going to accept it. But you can resist the idea that it will be that way forever, or you can resist the fact that it's going to be, this is the rest of your life, right?

Christina Ketchen:

And I think this, you know, resistance versus acceptance, you know you you can sprinkle in a little gratitude, right? And I think this piece around not sitting in in both at the same time, it's looking at it and going, Okay, I need to accept that this is what it is, and I'm grateful to be alive and, and this takes me into this piece about the word and, and it's embracing. You know, true healing is in embracing and accepting all of the ands. I do not like this, and this is awful, and it is what it is. And, you know, it's the embracing of that word, and is, I think, at the heart of acceptance, and it's really difficult to do, especially when you look at this thing that's sitting on your lap that you can't control, it's like, well, all of this is true, it's awful, and I'm going to get through it. Yeah, I always one of my favorite

Sara Poldmae:

sayings, and my mom and I always go back and forth about it is I like the saying, always grateful, never satisfied. So in other words, you can be really happy with what you have. You can be content, but you can also want more. So you can be grateful for whatever lessons you may have learned by falling off a cliff and getting saved by a tree. You could be grateful for that tree. You can be really pissed that you fell down that cliff. And you can also be not satisfied with the current day at the same time and want better for yourself. And all of that, to me, is deeply the human experience, right?

Christina Ketchen:

Yeah, you speak to it quite beautifully, because when you chew, when you sit in resistance, on that like, think about that mindset, about that energy that you carry in your body, but the tax on your nervous system when you're like, why am I here? This is unfair, and see all of the negative as opposed to it. Yes, this is true. It is awful, and it is frustrating and it is a challenge at the same time I am here

Sara Poldmae:

and and, yeah, the beautiful word and, and I love that. I that's gonna stick with me after we leave this conversation for sure. So I think a lot of women hear acceptance and think it means just giving up or shutting down. And how do you distinguish that fine line between acceptance and and just being like, okay, whatever this is it like resigning. I think that that word I've resigned myself, it carries such a negative connotation. So how do you distinguish. Push between the two.

Christina Ketchen:

You know, I have this little quote card that somebody gave me, and I've hung on to it for years. It's in my kitchen, and it says it is what it is. And that does sound like I'm resigning. You know, it can, can lean that way. The difference is what we're hearing. And this is this piece about hearing the stories that we're telling ourselves, and hearing the words that we're using. And one of the things I prescribe this, the very most to people, is I want you to put a note an appointment in your calendar every day that reminds you to say what you are hearing out loud. And I've had clients look at me and say, that is the craziest thing I've ever heard. And then come back. Then they come back to me two weeks later, like, for example, this 30, mid, 30 year old young man came back to me two weeks later, and he said, Christina, the difference between what I'm willing to say and what I listen to. I can't say what I listen to. I'm like exactly we must hear like this is where awareness comes in. We need to hear what's going on. Because there is a big difference between, you know, stating the unjust and that we're here all of the ands, or sitting back and saying, Well, it's nothing I can do about it. It is what it is. And resigning, there's a difference between, you know, it comes down to the language I think we I think we use, yeah, yeah, or even the tone.

Sara Poldmae:

And I think that's why saying it out loud is such a great idea, because I actually use that practice a lot. If I find myself struggling with something where I'm like, oh my god, this is never going to work out, or I can't do this, or what have you. I'll say it out loud and be like, I can't do this, and then I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And when you say it out loud, you can be like, I totally can do this, like, I really am struggling with this. This is challenging me, but think of how I'll be on the other side of it when I when I figure it out, I might not have the answers right now, but when I figure it out, it's going to be awesome. And those are all ends, yeah, exactly, exactly. That might be my word for next year. And

Christina Ketchen:

when we say this, say what we're hearing out loud, I think one of two things can happen. We either finish the sentence and then we can challenge it like you are, just like you just spoke to Yeah. And I also think it's really important to pull out an old Byron Katie piece, which is, do I know this to be true? Because very often, you know, we nudge, if we nudge that question around a couple times, we don't know anything to be true. We have no idea what the future holds. We do not have a crystal ball. What we know to be true is here and now, yeah. And the other thing that happens is sometimes we can't even say what we're hearing or thinking out loud, because we know it's not true, and that shifts the brain, because it's like no brain. You cannot collect that data anymore, because I have just proved it's not true. So that is done. It sounds simple.

Sara Poldmae:

Yeah, it does sound simple. And that's going to be my next question. After making this this brief point, I think involving as many of our senses in dealing with any struggles is really important. So we can say things, we can use our speech. We can hear things, but we can also use Mind Body techniques, like I'm just thinking of like a laying down and doing a yoga nidra, or taking the the attention off the matter for a couple of minutes and regulating our central nervous system, and then coming back to that thought, because sometimes these thoughts can be really intense. And, you know, mental health struggles are real. So depending where we are on the spectrum of, you know, our our empowerment, our mental health, there's, there's so many things that go into this. So I don't want to make light that this is an easy place to get to. It can be easier for some than others, but by using techniques. And my next question will be about techniques for coming to acceptance, because I will always want my listeners to take something away from that episode is to involve as many of your senses as possible, because we're more than just thinking beings. We are feeling beings, we are hearing beings, we are seeing beings. And the more we can pull in that full human experience, the more we can get places, agreed? My question to you is, besides saying things out loud, what other ways can we come to acceptance, especially for women in midlife, when we are maybe feeling like our bodies are not our own anymore. So many things have changed for us. We're not sleeping. Our nervous systems are. Are, are whacked out completely. How what other tools specifically, rather than just concepts, but what other tools, besides perhaps saying things out loud, can we use in order to come closer to this concept of acceptance?

Christina Ketchen:

There are so many tools, and so this is one of the reasons why I became a coach because, you know, I have so many people that come in and sit down and say, I've read all the books. Christina, I don't know how to apply this stuff, so I'm, let's, let's load the tickle trunk up with a whole bunch of tools. And there are two things. And, you know, you touched on not being able to sleep the nervous system tax, all things that I have been deeply affected by since my fall, and I have learned a whole lot about our nervous system and how it it is gathering all of the data for us subconsciously, we're completely unaware of it, And we must calm that down. You know, when we're worrying about, am I ever going to get over this? Are these hot flashes ever going to stop? Am I ever going to be able to sleep through the night, lying awake at night, spinning on these thoughts? There are two things that I use regularly. I use so I'm Heart Math, a heart math coach as well. I don't know if you've heard of Heart Math, we have so and that the simplest technique that they have is called heart focused breathing, where you simply slow your breath down, deepen your breath just a little bit, where it's still comfortable. You know you can put your hand on your heart and chest area, and as you inhale and exhale a little slower and a little deeper, you focus on with your mind that area of your heart and chest. And that does two things. One, it's calming down the nervous system. And two, it's taking your brain off of all of the things that you're thinking about because you're focusing on really feeling that heart and chest area. And I have learned I like to think that I have I'm pretty calm. I can call on breathing techniques. I've got a great mindset. And when I sit down and actually measure Heart Math calls it your heart coherence. There's a heart math app you can buy the monitor or use your finger, your fingerprint on pressing it on the camera, and it will show you your heart coherence and walk you through a breathing technique. But it takes me a minute 50 to get into coherence to really that's so complicated, it's quick, but it also when I, when I, when I look at this, I'm like, Oh, I'm I'm not as calm and coherent as I think I am on the regular. I need to intentionally sit down twice a day to try to, you know, manage, over time, get to this baseline that is calm. And this beautiful thing about heart focused breathing is that you don't have to sit down and close your eyes to do it. You can do it before you get out of the car and go into the house. You can your kids come at you with a question or a problem or an issue or a partner or a colleague. You can listen and focus on your breath as well, to get into that state where you're out of that fight, flight freeze amygdala and into our prefrontal cortex, where we can Okay, I can, I can contact with reason, and I can be rational and connected with what my intention and how I want to respond to this and how I want to think about this so car focused breathing is one of my primary tools. Another thing that I call on a lot is journaling when I'm, you know, it's, it's, it's the next best thing to having a coach or a therapist, because you can pour your heart out and it is, it does help us process, you know, and we can write out how incredibly frustrated we are that it's two o'clock in the morning and we're wide awake, and let that flow, write that out. And I actually watch people and myself as well go through this state of processing, to a place where it it does become a piece of acceptance, and it is an opportunity when we write things down to say, do I even know that to be

Sara Poldmae:

true? Yeah, right. Am I just making this story up? Because so many of the things that we think are just made up stories, it's easier when we put it on paper, say it out

Christina Ketchen:

loud, yeah, to get it out of the body. And I think this, this comes back to this piece around acceptance, right? It's all of these things I can be frustrated and learn to be okay with it, like both at the same time.

Sara Poldmae:

Yeah, yeah. So I have a question for you, because I hope I'm not thinking of the wrong guest. But are you. A graduate of the Hoffman Institute, I am okay. I have a great girlfriend, Nicole, and I really believe in synchronicity and and, you know, things happening for a reason. My girlfriend, Nicole and I were texting back and forth yesterday, earlier in the day, and she mentioned that she had gotten a scholarship to the Hoffman Institute. So shout out to Well, hello, hello. You made it on the podcast. She had mentioned this, and I have heard of the Hoffman Institute. Don't know much about it, but I know enough to be intrigued. And strangely enough, I'm reading your bio. Last night, I could have sworn it was you, but I was doing my homework for this episode, and I saw that, I was like, that's really interesting, that that came up twice in one day. So it may be up top off topic, but I have happened to feel, with the little bit that I know that it probably isn't. Can you tell us a little bit about the work from the Hoffman Institute? It obviously needs to be out there in the universe, if it was pinging my door twice yesterday.

Christina Ketchen:

Yeah, I like that too. I'm like, so something's something pings me two or three times. I'm like, well, I need to pay attention to that. Yeah, exactly the Hoffman Institute is. It was, it was pinnacle. Actually, it's what. It's why I became a coach. To be honest, I had just started working with a coach to figure out what I wanted to do with my life, because I needed to change, and I wanted to wake up and love what I do every day. Yeah, so I was working with a coach, and I started with him, and I was like, I am definitely going to change my, change my every day, and it's going to have something to do with food. So as you can see, that did not happen. Because, no, I was I was not on point

Sara Poldmae:

there, but in the moment you accepted it as truth, right, right.

Christina Ketchen:

So, long story short, I went to Hoffman, and the result of that was learning. I had a few people say to me, over the course of that six days, Christina, you need to be working with people. You need to be coaching people, supporting people. So what Hoffman is all about is essentially healing, thoroughly healing, your inner child and family of origin. Very deep work. There's more of that in the world, 100% it's very, very freeing. Deep, deep work. I call it a retreat because it's, you know you're locking yourself down and you know you hand over your phone and you are at the whims of what is this experience going to give me? So my my word of advice, I went into Hoffman and I was driving there, and I'm like, Okay, I am surrendering to whatever this is going to be, because I wasn't sure, and it was beautiful. And who would you recommend the Hoffman Institute to? Is there a particular person that you envision, or is it just basically anybody that you that feels that maybe their story of origin is holding them back in life. What? Who is this for? Well, if you are a seeker of personal development, you know, if you're a seeker of self help, you are a grower, a wanting to be free of change, it's that's a great call. You know, I've seen people go into it who haven't done a lot of therapy, talk therapy prior to and it is a full immersion like you are. It's a full immersion into where you came from and what it looks like, yeah. So I've seen the results of both. I think it's very individual. Anything is what you you, you will make it what if you embrace it, if you embrace it, you're golden in anything, in all honesty. So I think Hoffman, when I came out of Hoffman, I was, I told myself, my kids are going to this before they get married, and their partners are going to like it was very, very, very healing. So if you carry around, you know, if you have repeated relationship topics that come up, or, you know, I keep dating the same person, and that's not working, obviously you're dating the same person and seeing the same issues and the same barriers 100% because we learned all about love. We learned what love looked like. We learned how to get love in our early formative years, and that is what translates into current relationship. So if that's not working, heal that, and what that is that's that would be a huge gift.

Sara Poldmae:

Okay, wonderful. So when women tell me in midlife, and I hear this every single day that I see patients, it's not just once in a while they feel like they're losing their old identity. So how can you take the concept of acceptance and help women to re. Frame this as you're not necessarily losing that you are are merging into something new. Well, we don't get to choose it, and we have no control over it.

Christina Ketchen:

And this is this piece about what we know to be true is here and now and and it's hard, I mean all of these. I think this for me in particular, and I'll speak to my own as I'm going through HRT and trying to balance things out, my process of HRT has caused me to gain 25 pounds, and I'm like, I can't fit into my wardrobe that I love. This is awful. So having to apply what I know right to pull out. I've got a whole bunch of tools, and I'm like, it always comes back to accepting that I cannot change this right now. I can make small decisions every day that help me move in the direction I want to move. But there is no magic pill. There is no flip of a switch. It's just knowing that, okay, right now I'm trying a new plan, and in the calendar there's a date. It's six weeks from now, and I'll reevaluate in six weeks and see where I'm at. And that's the best that I can do. And it's this belief system around I'm doing the best that I can do with this, I ultimately have no control, except for the small decisions I make every day to help me to where I want to go.

Sara Poldmae:

And I think, you know, weight is usually part of what women always frame as, like I'm losing myself. It's not just, you know, your sense of adventure, or your energy levels. I mean, all of those things can also be at play in midlife, because we're reevaluating so much stuff. But weight usually comes into the mix. And I was listening to a podcast the other day where a woman who is a doctor of Gerontology that deals with the aging population was talking about how every day when she is working with her patients that are 85 and 90 years old, they are still talking about their weight and how they'd like to lose 10 or 15 pounds. And these women do not need to lose that weight, and that's not coming from a place of they do have 15 pounds on them. It's coming from a doctor's point of view that if they lose 10 or 15 pounds, they are much more at risk for fractures and falls being life changing or life ending, the fact that these women are considered a healthy weight, and at 85 or 90 years old, are still in that mindset. So that's not something that's going to change overnight. That's a whole nother discussion to have with experts in that field, but I'm just putting it out there that it is so interesting that we are still as empowered as we are as women, we are really stuck in that weight loss or focus on our weight and it's just such a disservice to women that I hope we can start to come out of that. And that's not coming from a place of judgment, shame anywhere, because I'm in it too. I want to be thin too. But I just wanted to throw that out there, because listening to that made me so deeply sad for us as women, that even though we've made changes in the right direction, we still are very focused on that.

Christina Ketchen:

You know, Sarah, do you ever think about this, you know, when you see somebody walking down the street or at the pool, you know, and let's say, you see, I've seen heavier set women wearing bikinis and thongs at the beach, and this is what I think, Wow, good for you, exactly. Yeah, yeah, right, because I wouldn't have the nerve to wear that if I was at that particular weight. And never do I look at her and think you should not. I look at and go, good for you. She's got a beautiful female body. Yeah. And I also know that what's most important is inside, not outside. But I when I feel like when I feel yucky because I can't do up my genes, I force myself into that line of thinking, which is, wait a second, Christina, you look at humans this way, and you look at humans as what you're the vessel you've been given in this lifetime is so insignificant. It's what is inside that is important. I believe that in every cell and so that thinking I have for other people, which is essential here, is to apply it to myself. Yeah, because right, like we look at and go, Oh, wait a second, how am I talking to myself? Am I talking to myself the way that I would talk to my best friend? Because that's how I need to talk. To myself,

Sara Poldmae:

That's what I remind myself of. Like, would I ever say that to Sherry? Would I ever say that to Lindsay? Like I would just never. So when I catch myself, I do the same thing. I'm like, let's just roll it back here and be a little bit more kind to ourselves, or a lot more kind. And that's a big part of acceptance, right? So like you said, in six weeks you're going to reevaluate, and you put it on your calendar, and that's a beautiful way to frame things, because you don't want to spend each day obsessing over it. You may have a thought, you may have to pull yourself out of the thought, but in six weeks, you're going to reevaluate your HRT routine, and, you know, talk with your trusted provider, and that's a great way to look at it, because oftentimes the first of all, the stress that you went went through not very long ago, falling down a cliff, could actually be a huge part of the way it came to and then adding another stressor, Even though hormones can really help, there is a biological stress that you go under when you shift your chemistry completely, so that can be a cause of the the weight gain as well. It may not be the hormones themselves, but there's ways to work through these things and understand that tomorrow you might start losing the weight. We don't know what tomorrow will bring. We are so lucky to have bodies that are healthy, that trees that save us. I mean, there's so much good that we can focus on rather than, you know, stay in with that. Staying with, I can't zip up these jeans. You probably have the means to buy yourself a new pair of jeans.

Christina Ketchen:

But this is, this is where resistance comes in. This is a prime example of resistance, right? It's like, I'm not buying new jeans because I'm gonna lose this weight. Like, right? I'm not getting rid of my collection of designer jeans. No way. So that resistance, like, Okay, actually, I need to buy some jeans, because I need to feel good when I get dressed in the morning, absolutely

Sara Poldmae:

right? Or just wear leggings. They're very comfortable and they are very unsized specific. You can stay in the same size leggings for a long time. So laughter is such a great medicine. You know, acceptance, I think can involve humor a lot, because we can look at how silly we can be with ourselves sometimes that I think it's important to bring some levity to every conversation we have about these struggles. So I know that you have a freebie for people on your website, I believe, or where do we find your information? Can you just give us kind of a summary of how people can work with you, the freebie that you offer, all of that

Christina Ketchen:

you bet everything you can find everything out about me, like the Hoffman Institute, for example, on my website, which is Christina ketchen.com and if you go to Christina ketchen.com/masterclass I've offered up a freebie, and it's a decent nugget of work. And what it is is it's, it's, it's applicable to anybody who sits in the space and feels like my life's pretty good, but meh, and it can also what I offer up is an exercise that I call dreamscaping, which is to look at every area of life and to pick one that you want to level up or feel more joy in. And I give a strategy around that, but it also this dreamscaping tool that I lay out in the master class also speaks to when we want to learn say we want to respond when we're stressed, we want to learn how to respond gentler, or we want to rewrite some of the stories and the reactions that we have, like we are talking about today. It applies. And I speak to that in the master class too, and I offer a whole bunch of little tools in that help people learn. How do we create these new habits? Because we do. We're talking about essentially, putting new messages and programs into our subconscious mind. And it's not that easy flip of a switch. So it is a multi layered master class that can help your audience, or anybody with the ability to respond differently, think differently, feel more joy in a certain area of life, and how to strategically do that. I also write. I have a podcast, the self love shift, which you can find on all of the streaming outlets out there. And I write and post on sub stack every week. So I have lots lots of writing, freebies, tools, lots of nuggets. If you're interested in self love, self help, mindset, relationships, communication, you. It's, it's a nice, little, rather large, fruitful work.

Sara Poldmae:

Yeah, amazing, yeah. Well, thank you for all the good that you put out in the world. I hope that some of my audience reaches out to you, and thank you for sharing your wisdom on acceptance and your vulnerability and in all that you've been through, it's been an absolute pleasure meeting and talking with

Christina Ketchen:

you. Thank you, Sarah, it's been a real joy.

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