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Federal Prison and the Fanatical Decision To Make a Better Life - Part 2 of Matt and Toni's Story

• Phil Shuler • Season 3 • Episode 2

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Part 2 of Matt's story dives deeper into the many years he spent in County Jail and Federal Prison.  So much to learn and enjoyable to listen to!  Please share the podcast with others and help us spread the word of hope!

And that is the end of part two of Tony and Matt's story. That is pretty much. Close to the conclusion of Matt's story personally. Next week we're gonna talk about how Matt and Tony got connected. Uh, Tony actually started becoming his pen pal in prison. It's a crazy and really amazing story. So join us next week and we will get into Tony's story and just how Tony and Matt got connected to begin with. You're gonna love it, and thanks for being with us this week. We look forward to being with you again next week. God bless you.

Phil Shuler:

HellO, and welcome to Renew, Restore, Rejoice, the Safe House Ministries podcast, where we share stories of the power of God to change lives through Safe House Ministries. Safe House Ministries is based out of Columbus, Georgia, and we are a ministry that exists to love and serve people who have been affected by addiction, homelessness, and incarceration. I'm your host, Phil Shuler, the Director of Development for Safe House Ministries here in Columbus, Georgia. Safe House serves over 1, 100 people each month as they transition back into our community. Safe House provides an abundance of services including 213 beds for homeless individuals and families, case management for obtaining job skills and long term employment. Over 300 hot meals every day, free clothing, and so much more. One of the most incredible services that Safe House provides is our free 9 12 month intensive outpatient substance abuse program, which is state licensed, CARF accredited, and has no wait list. Almost 100 percent of individuals staying in our shelters who follow our three phase program become fully employed within a few months. And 68 percent of individuals who stay at least one night with us End up finding work and moving into their own home. Thank you for being with us today and listening to our podcast. We hope you enjoy this week's episode.

Matt:

we got together, we were still in like we were still in mail outta mailboxes to get the credit cards and checks and money orders, stuff like that. Yeah. We could wash the checks, wash the money orders and refill'em out to us. But I had IDs, a bunch of different IDs with my picture book with different folks' information. So I fill it out to somebody else, go in somewhere and cash it. It's not on my real name.

none:

Yeah.

Matt:

And uh, we ended up the federal, uh, the postmaster started doing a federal investigation on us.'cause we were still in Mill. And, uh, they kicked our door in a few times looking for us, but we didn't stay there. We at hotels or, yeah, we had an apartment out on south side of Columbus, like just going different places. Never got caught up. And then, um. I had someone that was living in my house, and truthfully, still to this day, I believe the guy set me up. Wow. He knew exactly where we were going and how, what vehicle you were in, what vehicle I was in, and what route we go to get there. He knew everything. Wow. And the police was waiting on me. He must

Phil:

have made a deal. I guess he, he had some charges pending and he probably,

Matt:

and so, um, we, we were going and we had her kids with us. They were two 5-year-old twins at the time. And I made a stupid decision that when the police pulled me over, once they got to the back of the car, it was gonna take off. And I did, like when

Phil:

they walked up to the car, you just hit the gas. Right.

Matt:

Right. And I did. And man, I ain't even gonna lie to you. Never had no issue with his car. I drove this car, I gave it hell and, and never had no issue with this. One time I turned a corner sharp and the battery fell over into the motor. What? Shut the whole car off. Wow. Shut the whole car off. Vulnerabilities. Police got me they got me good.

Toni:

Hindsight's 2020. But in that moment, that was the beginning of God saving him. Wow. He had, he had to go.

Matt:

It is been a, it is been a couple weeks. And I had, I, she was doing dope. Like we were doing dope. But there for a while, my, my level got up to about 10 grams of dope a day. And just my personal use. Now,

Phil:

I don't know what that means. Is that like really high?

Matt:

That's very, that's enough for probably 10 people, 10 to 12 people. Wow. But that was my tolerance level got so high from doing it.

Phil:

So the high wouldn't be as strong or intense. Right. And you'd have to take more to get that same level. So you're just chasing it. But each time you have to use more and more and more. You

Matt:

know how you form a tolerance to alcohol? You could drink and drink it. Like first time you drink a couple shots, you, or even medication, any kind of, yeah. Any type of medication. Like, you build a tolerance to it. And so after a while you have to increase the dosage. And over the time that I've been doing dope, I had to increase the dosage and I was probably doing about 10 grams of dope a day. Just my personal use. That's not including what I did with everybody else.

none:

Yeah.

Matt:

Wow. You know? And for a couple weeks before that, I just like kept turning down like, I'm good. I don't want it, you know. And I went and seen my mom one day and uh, she asked me, she said, you ever gonna get outta this life? And I said, probably not. His mom

Toni:

had gotten clean at this point. Really?

Matt:

Yeah. My mom, she's been cleaning since 2008 right now.

Toni:

Yeah. Oh. And today is her 63rd birthday, so happy birthday mama. Aw.

Phil:

But

Toni:

uh.

Phil:

So how old were you at this time?

Matt:

This was 2017. Hell, I don't know. I lost count. Yeah.

Toni:

2017, around

Matt:

30, maybe

Toni:

about

Matt:

33,

Toni:

I think. Yeah. Okay. Somewhere around in there. 33, 34. Okay. So you've been in that, I think I just turned, had

Phil:

been in addiction in the darkness for a long time. Yes, sir.

Toni:

14 years.

Matt:

And, uh, so I just kept turning the dope down. I went and seen my mom one day and she asked me, she said, are you ever gonna get outta this life? I said, probably not, mom. I'll probably die in it. And uh, she told me, she said, I hope not. And I told her one the same time. I told her, I said, well, I pray not. I said, I don't wanna be like this forever. But I knew that that was me talking to my mom. I could be real with her, but with everybody else, it is just like, it is a party life. It's whatever. It trying to, at that point I was trying to make a well, trying to survive. Yeah. It wasn't trying to make a living. It was trying to survive. Yeah. And being able to survive and that far in addiction. And then the stuff that I was doing on top of it, I knew I was going to prison. I knew it. And I told my mom, I said, I pray that I don't die in it. I said, but I said, I know I'm going to prison. She said, don't say that. I said, mom, this was

Phil:

after you had gotten pulled over and like you were waiting on your court trial or

Matt:

No, no,

Phil:

No. This was prior to that.

Matt:

Yeah.

Phil:

Okay.

Matt:

And I told my mom kind of a

Phil:

foreshadow, like, you, you were prophesying what was to come.

Matt:

And I told my mom, I said, I know I'm going to prison, but all the stuff I've been doing, they done kicked my door in three times looking for me. I said, I know I'm going. It is just a matter of when they catch me. And she said, well, what are you gonna do about it? And I told her, I said, I've always said if I ever go to prison due to my addiction, I'm done.

Phil:

Really like you. I've always said that. Had that mental,

Matt:

I've always said it. Wow. Like after I, after I caught my manufacturing charge and never went to prison at first it started out as a game. Like a joke. Yeah. If I go to prison, I'm done. The further I dug into addiction, it was like, it was becoming a reality. Like if I ever go to prison, I'm done. I'm gonna better myself.'cause there's no way I'm gonna go somewhere if you go to prison, especially for the type of stuff that I was doing, the selling drugs or the credit card stuff. Either way you're going to prison for a while. There's no way I'm gonna go somewhere for a year or two or more and then come back home and, and get right back in the streetlight. There's no way. Yeah. But

Toni:

like a, a Stanton County Jail is. At the time was nothing. It was no big deal, man. That was vacation for me.

Matt:

That, but when you're talking about

Toni:

years. Years, wow. Yeah,

Matt:

that,

Phil:

wow. So you get pulled over'cause the battery falls over into the engine. Right.

Matt:

I take off running in front of the police and the battery falls over. The engine car shuts off. They get us out. The police sets me in the back of the cop car. Well, he asked me my name and stuff and uh, he is like, nevermind, I don't need your name. Well, pulled my wallet outta my back pocket, a three or four IDs in my wallet. Wow. My picture with different folks told finally he is like, what's your name? So I tell him, he's like, yeah, you're who we're looking for. And I say, yeah, I know.

Phil:

Oh

Matt:

man. And um, he said, why didn't you run? And I said, truthfully don't know. It's just the good thought I had in my head at the moment. He said, well, maybe not good thought, but you thought it was a good thought. He thought it was. That's a good thought I had. And that's what I told him. I said, just a good thought I had in my head. And he said, well, it wasn't too good for you, but luckily you stopped. And I told him, I said, do me a favor. He said, what's that? I said, take the jail. I'm sleepy. And he said, you going? And he sent me in the back of the police car. And uh, he asked me, he said, is there anything else in the car that I need to know about? I told him no, I had an ounce of dope and a gun under the center console, which luckily they didn't find it'cause I'd still be in prison.

Phil:

Wow.

Matt:

Yeah,

Phil:

they just not searched the car or they just, uh, they

Matt:

searched the car, but it was a hidden compartment under my center console that most folks don't know how to get to it.

Phil:

So you kind of special made that, I guess. Yeah. Like you just created it yourself.

Matt:

Just pulled some stuff out and did this and did that, you know? Yeah. But, um,

Toni:

tweakers are really good at tweaking things. Ah. So

Matt:

in that moment we had a bunch of credit cards on us between, the girl was with me too. Her kids, like we both got busted. Uh, we had a bunch of credit cards. I had the IDs on me. She had had a floorboard full of mail where we've been checking mailboxes all day. And, uh, the police, he comes back to the car and he says, you know, you're going away for a long time. I said, yeah, I need it. And he said just pray about it. He said something to come.

Phil:

He told you to pray about

Matt:

it? Yeah, he did.

Phil:

Interesting.

Matt:

And, um, what's really interesting now is that I'm friends with a lot of police officers. Uh, I worked for Griffin and Griffin's Towing. Uh, for a while and we had that contract with the city and a lot of the officers are like, there's no way you're the same person.

Toni:

They just, they can't like to see him shake the police hand now and Wow them be proud to see him. Wow. Like,

Matt:

it's, it's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy.

Phil:

Wow. That's a great turn of events,

Matt:

And, um, my, when I was in county jail,

Phil:

so he took you to county jail? Yeah. And you were there for,

Matt:

I got locked up January 5th, 2017. And I came home October 9th, 2020.

Phil:

Were you, did you stay in county jail or did you, okay.

Matt:

Uh, I stayed in county jail for I think about 11 months. And then I went to Federal Holden'cause the US Marshals picked my case up.

none:

Yeah.

Toni:

But this time in county jail is actually when he came in contact with Neil. Oh. So that's

Phil:

where Safe House Ministries in the early days, Neil, when he was chaplain at the, at the jail. Right. That's, you met him. He

Matt:

was Chap and, um, I did the Fatherhood program while being in the county jail. And, uh, so

Phil:

tell me how that started. Like, so you, you're in there and I guess the chaplain Neil is just walking around getting to know people.

Matt:

He will come around every now and then and see everybody and, uh, he came around. He asked one day in the dorm, he was like, who in here has kids? I raised my hand. He was like, all right, you guys, come here. Lemme talk to y'all. So he came over there and he told us, he said, look, I got a program called the Fatherhood Program. And it was like, it's just learning how to be a better father. And I told him, I said, chap, I ain't seen my kids in a long time. He said, well, this program's for you. He said, sign up for it. And uh, so I signed up for it and uh, I got picked and I completed the program, did all the book work and stuff.

Phil:

And, uh,

Matt:

my ex-wife at the time still wouldn't let me see my kids.

Phil:

So had by that point, like when you're connected with Neil, you got into the father program. Had you, had you made the definitive decision that you were gonna make a better life or were you just exploring why not try this kind thing?

Matt:

Oh no. When I went inside the jail and they booked me in and the lady asked me, she says, sir, you want your bond amount? I said, I don't need it. She said, why? I said, I'm going to sleep. And she said, what do you mean? I said, I'm going up here. I'm going to sleep and I'm gonna get my life Right.

Phil:

Wow. So that was the, I knew I going the straw that broke everything and you're like, I can't do this anymore.

Matt:

Yeah. I knew I was going to prison and even though I was mad about it, I was happy. because he knew that that was, I was mad that I got caught.

Phil:

So you wanted to get out.

Toni:

He knew that that was his only way. That was my

Matt:

only escape.

Phil:

Yeah.

Matt:

Because only prison enough streets man is a casket or a prison sentence. And the only one that's gonna help you is the prison sentence if you use it. Right.

Phil:

Happen. And you had, you were at that place for, you're like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take this opportunity. Which, which was disguised as some hardship and punishment, but you're like, I'm gonna turn things around.

Matt:

Exactly. I mean, I didn't look at it as it was punishment. I look at it as a savior for our culture. Just about, I mean, I've always said prison. Prison saved me. I

Phil:

love that perspective. One thing that I've, I don't know, it is kind of weird to me, is because the day that me and my mom was having that conversation and uh, I told her, I said, I pray that I don't die in, in this lifestyle.

none:

Yeah.

Matt:

I stayed at her house that night and I sat out on the front porch to smoke cigarette and I just, I don't know. For some reason I felt like I needed to talk to God, so I asked God to give me a way out. Yeah. It wasn't even a week later that I was getting locked up.

Phil:

Wow.

Matt:

I've been running from the police ever since like 2006, five and six when I started doing this. Wow. I've been running from the police. I was pretty good at it. Yeah.

Toni:

And here you have this vehicle that there were no issues with, I've never had no issues, nothing wrong with, and all of a sudden the battery falls out. Engine, like I just turned real engine,

Matt:

To the left and the battery literally flipped over into the engine and shut it all down.

none:

Wow.

Matt:

I never had an issue with his car, never had an issue with the battery rocking around or nothing. He got

Toni:

what he asked for. Love. That was his way. Love it. I love it when

Phil:

God steps in and, you know, and

Toni:

it was so obvious.

Phil:

And he, and this was your chance. And Neil, Neil was there. God had Neil there. And the opportunity for the Fatherhood program, we

Toni:

actually still have his certificate of completion. Right. Wow. And from that,

Phil:

I've heard a lot of good things about that program.

Matt:

It was actually really good. And if you use it, not don't use it to learn how to be a dad, use it to learn how to be a person and then you can become a dad. Yeah. And um, I did the fatherhood program, completed it, graduated and uh, then Chv, he was like, he asked me one day, he said, you got your GEDI said, no, sir. He said, sign up for the classes. after I completed my GED. I think it was like two months later the US government picked up my case and I went to federal Holden and I got up there and, and the cellmate that I had, he, uh, he's real big into God. Like he was on a 2-year-old case. He done had turned his life around. He was a youth pastor and everything. Wow. And he got locked up. Uh, he's right now he's in, uh, he's in a federal prison. He got a 20 year sentence. Wow. You know, so he

Phil:

had changed his life and got on a better path, but he still had to face the consequences of

Matt:

all because of some he said, she said, but, um, he's okay with it. Like, I used to email with him back and forth and stuff, and then life got so chaotic and hectic and just moving so fast. Yeah. I didn't message him for a while and, uh, he got mad and just removed me from his, uh, his email list in prison. But,

Phil:

so you took actions to turn things around. So you went through the Fatherhood program with Neil in the early days of Safe House Ministries. Basically you got your GED thousand. What was, what was after that?

Matt:

Oh, when I got a federal holding my cellmate we call him country. He was into God real big and he's, he got me into reading the Bible something and like learning different things that I could do, which at the time I still didn't know how to, uh, process the whole God situation. Exactly. Yeah. And, uh,

Phil:

but you were, you were familiar with the idea of God, you did not have a personal relationship with Jesus at that point, right.

Matt:

And so our research and creating vulnerabilities in Williams started reading Bibles. I could ask him questions and stuff, you know, about different things. And, uh, I ended up going to court and get sentenced, and then he went to court and got sentenced the following week. And so we split and went different ways when we went to prison.

Toni:

But Matthew also got very lucky when it came to his sentencing too. Like I

Matt:

did. Wow. Um, with as much money as they were trying to charge me with, I could have got 196 months, which is 15 years.

none:

Wow.

Matt:

I actually, me and my lawyer went and talked with the prosecutor and the judge, and I told'em like, if you'll gimme a list of everything, I'll highlight everything that I did. And so they did. I highlighted everything that I I ain't gonna lie. I highlighted what I knew they had me on camera doing,

Toni:

because technically they could only convict him of what they had him on camera proof of doing. Yeah. Right. Anything that was online or use of credit cards online over the phone, they couldn't technically get him for it. Which me, truthfully,

Matt:

I don't see how they got a, a$500,000 thing. Like they had a lot of stuff in there that I know me, nor the girl that I was with, none of us did that. It was probably a book this thick Wow. Of different charges and stuff. And I know there's no way that we did all of that and stuff. But I highlighted what I did, what I had a part of, and, um, I was just truthful with the judge and the prosecutor and I was like, look, I did all this. And so there's like, this case is complicated. You got two co-defendants. I was like two. Who's the second one? Well, come to find out the girl that I was with while I was locked up for five months before her and her baby's dad had got into doing some of, some of the stuff too.

none:

Wow.

Matt:

And they had already started an investigation on them. So we actually got our case split up. It was me and her, and then it was her and him.

Phil:

It is complicated.

Matt:

It is. It was real complicated. And the judge was like, look, your case is complicated. He was like,

Toni:

but he was the only man. He was only one forthcoming with, Hey, I, I'll own up to this, you know, I'm gonna tell you what I had a part of,

Phil:

they wouldn't do that though.

Matt:

I don't know if they did or they didn't really.

Phil:

Yeah.

Matt:

That's their business to talk about. It's not mine. Yeah. Uh, but what I did was I was truthful with what I'd done, what I had a part in. I wasn't telling'em nothing about neither one of my co-defendants. Like if you wanna know something about them, you ask them. But the judge was like, this case is complicated. He was like, so we gave us 30, 45 minutes and we'll come back. And when I came back my lawyer was like, they're talking about 196 months. He was like, but we got it down. He was like, what you did showed character good faith. Mm-hmm. And good faith. And he was like, so they're offering you 42 months. Cool. Lemme sign that. I didn't argue with'em. Didn't fuss about it. Nothing. Lemme sign it. Wow. Which I was gonna sign the 196 months.

Phil:

So that's like three and a half years. Three and a half years

Matt:

in federal prison. Well, they got me a 42 month prison sentence, six month halfway house. Five years, uh, supervised probation. Wow. I got to prison. I did two more fatherhood programs.

Phil:

Where you went to the federal prison,

Matt:

right? It was, uh, it wasn't fatherhood, it was parenting programs. I did two of them. Yeah. So

Phil:

you stayed on that path of I need to, to get, make a better life growing learning, trying to, yeah.

Matt:

I did. Was it, was

Phil:

that a hard environment?

Matt:

It's only hard if you make it hard, man.

Phil:

You just kind of stay to yourself. And like federal

Matt:

prison is a lot different than state, prison. You can go in and get killed for looking the wrong way.

none:

Wow.

Matt:

And federal prison, they have politics that protect the inmates. Like it is real different. You don't go in there, you don't run with gang. Not the one I was at anyways. When you go to federal prison, you get in a car if you want to, and a car is like, you got a Alabama car, you got a Georgia car, you got whatever state you're from is a car.

none:

Okay.

Matt:

But there's three different cars. You got a white car, a black car, and an independent car.

Phil:

These are figurative cars.

Toni?:

Yes. Yes. So this is how they kind of segregate everybody. Okay.

Matt:

Instead of calling into the gang gets a car. Okay. Well, and the bad part about it is. When you get to r and d at your prison, which, so you, and you said

Phil:

a white car, like if you're a white person, right? Like say everybody, it's kind of segregated by, so everybody from Georgia Demographics essentially, right?

Toni:

Yeah. And the, the prisons do this and set it up this way to, it's safer, minimize,

Matt:

it is safer the gangs and stuff for people because okay, like I said, you got a Alabama car, a Alabama white car, Alabama black car, and an Alabama independent car. When you, when you get to r and d, they ask you, RD is receiving a discharge community. All, when you get to RD they ask you, what car are you going in?

Phil:

You choose.

Matt:

Mm-hmm.

Phil:

So like you could say, I want to be in the black car, like, but you're a white guy. Like, it just,

Matt:

well, no, that don't work. Your choice is independent or white. Okay. If you're white or independent or black. If you're black, okay. All of them, like the Latina Hispanic group, they just all have their own car. But, um, I asked'em, I was like, what's the difference? And it's like, well, a white car, you roll with a white guys, you do this, you do that independent car. You, you come in by yourself. You do your time by yourself. You don't worry about what they got going on. I said, well, I'm independent. I said, I didn't come to prison if they don't

Phil:

mess with you.

Matt:

No. I said, I come to prison by myself. I'm not worried about nothing. Nobody up here. I'll come to fix me. And, uh. So I was in the independent car and a couple of the guys, they from the Alabama white car, they tried to push up on me and like, where's your paperwork? This, that, and the third. And I'm just like, man, I'm independent, bro. Y'all do whatever y'all want to. And uh, they, this one kid here was just trying to be like, tough guy, i'm trying to use better words. Yeah. But, uh, he's trying to be a tough guy and he's like, well, you, you can't come out on the yard, you can't do this. You can't do that till you get your paperwork. I was, bro, do whatever I want to. This was a

Phil:

guard or just an inmate? No inmate.

Matt:

Inmate. Because politics in federal prison inmates run it. Really? The guard's just protected.

none:

Okay.

Matt:

Alright. So like I say, I got a problem with a guy that's in the,'cause I'm independent and I got a problem with a guy that's in the white car. Okay. We have an independent car boat, independent means we can talk to house with, eat with, hang out with, with one yard, whoever you want to, you can hang out with whites, blacks Hispanics, native Americans, you can hang out with whoever you want to, do whatever you want to. There's no, rules against

Phil:

it. Okay. But if you're in a, a more specific car, you ha you can't, you have to follow the, the outside. You have

Toni:

to follow their rules that the inmates have set for that car. You're in a okay, if you're

Matt:

in a white car, you can't house with a black guy. If you're in a black car, you can't house with a white guy. But if you're in independent car, you can house with whoever even if they're in a car.

none:

Yeah.

Matt:

But then if you, if an independent gets white guy gets put in a cell with a Alabama black car guy, he has to get moved. Or you do one, So pretty much like when you get housed, you just go to your counselor and you ask, Hey, I'm me an independent, Hey, you need to start. And so they'll find you an independent person that you can house with. so things are a lot different in federal prison than it is in state prison. In state prison, everything's just run off of gangs and being dumb. Wow. Truthfully federal prison where I was at was a lot better. I was uh, I never been to state prison. I've heard a lot about it from a lot of people that I know have been through prison. I got a one of my best friends right now is in prison and like, it is bad where he was at. He just got moved. But in federal prison, it's what you make it wicked like I, like I said, I did two parenting programs. I did the parenting programs. I started my HVAC apprenticeship. I did a nine month long drug program while I was there to get to stay clean. Uh, yeah, well not really stay clean, but to learn how to use coping skills for different things in life.

Phil:

So if you got into a situation where there's an emotional distress, you didn't turn to drugs.

Matt:

And a lot of my stuff was when I was using drugs is to just be numb to the whole situation. Yeah. And pretty much avoid reality. Yeah. But it didn't avoid it just pushed it off and made it worse, you know? And, um,

Toni:

and the drugs were available to him in prison. Yeah. You know, so he could've, my, my

Matt:

first day in prison, a dude walked up to me with a big pill bottle full of ice, which is meth. Another form of meth In pill form? No. It was a pill bottle. He just had a pill bottle. Kept it in. I gotcha. And, uh, he walked up and he was like, yeah, get on your feet. I said, I don't want that. He said, you ain't gotta do it, just sell it. Get on your feet. I said, how about you sell it? Gimme half the money. You know,

Toni:

like he could have backpedaled, at any point in time and fell right back into that hole. And he was very determined.

Matt:

I just, I didn't wanna be the same POS that I was when I went to prison.

Phil:

You wanted to make a better life,

Matt:

right? I wanted to be better and do better. Yeah. And um, one thing that I started telling myself every day when I was in prison, his failure is not an option.

And that is the end of part two of Tony and Matt's story. That is pretty much. Close to the conclusion of Matt's story personally. Next week we're gonna talk about how Matt and Tony got connected. Uh, Tony actually started becoming his pen pal in prison. It's a crazy and really amazing story. So join us next week and we will get into Tony's story and just how Tony and Matt got connected to begin with. You're gonna love it, and thanks for being with us this week. We look forward to being with you again next week. God bless you.

Phil Shuler:

We look forward to being with you again next week as we share another testimony about the power and the goodness of God to change lives through Safe House Ministries. if you are someone listening to this podcast that loves to hear these stories of the great things that God is doing in changing people's lives for the better, and if you would like to be a part of that work, please reach out to us You can reach us at 2101 Hamilton Road, Columbus, Georgia, 31,904. You can call us at seven oh six three two two. 3 7, 7 3, or you can email us at info@safehouse-ministries.com.

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Thank you so much for being with us this week for the renew restore and rejoice podcast of safe house ministries, we pray that God will bless you this week. And we look forward to having you back with us again next week for a new episode.