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From Marquette to The Foundry: Dr. Jinesh Shah's Dental Journey

• Saadman Alamgir

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In this episode of Let's Talk Teeth, we sit down with Dr. Jinesh Shah, a 2023 graduate from Marquette Dental School and a former resident at the Foundry Dental Center. Dr. Shah shares his unique journey, starting from his dental school days to his residency experience, diving deep into his passion for oral surgery and implant dentistry. He provides insights into the rigorous training at Marquette and the Foundry, his mentors, and his tips for current dental students. Join us as Dr. Shah discusses his path, the importance of mentorship, and what it takes to excel in the world of dentistry.


00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction


00:32 Dr. Jinesh Shah's Background


00:49 Dental School Experience at Marquette


01:55 Non-Traditional Path and Oral Surgery Interest


04:15 Hospital Experience and Advanced Training


06:00 Residency at the Foundry


06:11 Balancing Dental School and Extra Opportunities


08:20 Applying to Graduate Programs


09:16 Life at the Foundry Residency


24:50 Mentorship and Career Advice


27:59 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Saad Alamgir:

All right guys, what's up? Welcome back to Let's Talk Teeth. Today we have Dr. Jinesh Shah. Jinesh, if you don't mind introducing yourself where you're from, where you went to dental school what you're up to now, and we can just go from there.

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah, no thank you guys for having me on. You guys are freaking killing it as, D1s, D2s, D3s. I wasn't even close to doing this kind of stuff. So appreciate you guys having me on. But yeah. Yeah, I grew up in the Chicago suburbs went to school at the University of Illinois, and then I did dental school in Milwaukee at Marquette. I graduated in 2023, so I'm not too far from you guys. And then I just came out of A year long residency. So taking some time to myself right now and just enjoying life a little bit.

Victor Razi:

Yeah, I how was Marquette. Is that a smaller school or bigger? How'd that work? Yeah.

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah, no, I think it's a pretty average school in terms of class size it's about a hundred kids. And it's pretty traditional. Like you're going to be in there doing all the lab work. And overall, like the restorative Experience is good. Getting your bread and butter dentistry is really good. But I think, the experience really took off my third and fourth year. The first two years was just, you guys know pretty well, it's just grinding through the classes.

Victor Razi:

Oh, yeah.

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah. I went to went to school with Dr. Sworn Poppy, I'm sure you guys

Saad Alamgir:

Yeah I thought so. Yeah. I had heard of yeah. Or cat. And that's what I thought of.

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah. Yeah. So lucky for me, fortunate for, fortunately for me, he was actually in my clinic. We had the same group leader and all that stuff and I just see this guy slithering around moving slick he's not, he's not he's in his own lane and he's wearing different colored scrubs And you know I just got to know him a little bit and he was doing some things outside of the classroom that really changed your trajectory of where I'm at right now and what I wanted to do Dental school. So yeah, I mean, we can we can get into it now. We can get into it whenever, but I had a little bit of a, it wasn't the most traditional path, my third and fourth year. And yeah, I'd be more than happy to talk about it.

Victor Razi:

Yeah, man. And so what kind of happened? Cause I know you got into the foundry and did all that. What, yeah,

Jinesh Shah:

man, I was my first few years I was looking sideways. Like I was like, man I'm next to all these brilliant kids. Like everyone's smart, am I really meant for this? And so I, was nervous for sure. And then. My third and fourth year came around and, I saw Soren doing some cases in oral surgery department and I saw him doing some hospital work. So I dug deep into that. And, as I was mentioning, that kind of changed my outlook. So basically to it was a two part story in dental school that got me to the foundry. And then, now, what really happened was Marquette didn't have a oral surgery department. Or they had an oral surgery department. They didn't have a residency.

Saad Alamgir:

They have

Jinesh Shah:

all the other residencies. So they have Perio, they have, Prosth, Endo, all of that. But they don't have an oral surgery residency, but they have some fantastic oral surgeons that work there. So what I did towards the end of my third and all the way through my fourth year was just really bug them, really

Victor Razi:

be,

Jinesh Shah:

Persistent with them. And I was like, hey, I know you guys really are very, they put in a lot of hours into research and they're at the same time teaching and doing their faculty cases. So I said, Hey why don't you let me try some of your faculty cases? And under your supervision, under their supervision, obviously, but let me try it out, see if it's working out and go from there. And Soren was already doing it. It was really just me and Soren at the time. So they took me in. And that really kickstarted my interest in, dental alveolar surgery and just, all things in that realm. I was by, by the end of my fourth year, I was doing all the pre prosthetic surgeries for my classmates. I was doing like impact wisdom teeth and all the stuff that, the faculty was like, Hey, you can do it. We'll just watch you. We'll make sure you're doing okay. And that really kickstarted things. Like I was talking to Victor, I think I was talking to you a little bit about Hey man, these are the kinds of things that will change the trajectory of where you want to be. And if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, but at least give it a shot outside of, your normal clinical stuff And then I didn't really stop there. I followed Soren to the hospital. He was, so basically, we're in school eight to five, right? And after school, we met this, and he this surgeon was at the school like once a week, but, he's in private practice, whatnot. He was he was hospital staff at a few different Milwaukee based hospitals.

Saad Alamgir:

And

Jinesh Shah:

Basically what he was doing was he was responsible for giving dental clearance to these patients going in for, liver, heart, lung transplants, things like that. And so what he was really doing was taking out a bunch of teeth in the operating room. He was doing the INDs, he was doing alveoloplasty and really, just getting them from point A to being able to get their transplant. And Sorn and I, he was there obviously before me, but he is if you want to get good and build a good foundation, this is what you gotta do. So I started going and by the end of it, we were like 1500, 2000 teeth extracted, Oh, we were in there. Oh my gosh. Yeah, we, he let us fly. He was right next to us the whole time, but he, once he saw that, we were really serious about it. By the end of it, we hadn't experienced that. I'm very blessed to have very fortunate, but I don't think really any other dental student in the country, could get something like that at the time. So I think that's what made Marquette really good for us. And funny story. The first day I went to the OR, he told me, Hey, You don't have to prove that you're smart to me. I already think you're stupid. And that was like his way of checking me, the surgeon's way of checking me. So me being me, I was very persistent. I studied all night and showed up the next day. And he, that's when he took me in and that's where my career began. Pivoted. And it was pretty early. It was in, it was definitely in dental school. And then, yeah, I from there just finished up a residency year at the foundry. And, if you guys want to talk about that a little bit more for sure, we can get into that.

Saad Alamgir:

Yeah, sweet. So it's going off of that. If you started doing this your third year, how did you manage, because you obviously have a lot of Stuff you got to do to graduate dental school. How'd you balance, doing your crowns and fillings with all of this stuff that y'all did outside of class, basically? Yeah.

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah, no, that's a great question, especially for, I'm not too far out of dental school and I know you guys are in that boat right now. When the third year started, your D3 started, I really relied on those D4s and we had some really great and very open D4s at the time that kind of showed me, hey, this is a smart way to get things done. You want to finish this and this first. So really the first half of D3 was just chugging out as much as I could. You never want to push people out of the way. You never want to, you want to do things the right way, but at the end of the day, you have to be a little bit of a gunner and get your things done to be able to do things outside of the classroom. So I, I took my D three year to really finish a lot and D four, I was still finishing some stuff, but Those oral surgery opportunities and the OR opportunities were just, things that I squeeze in. If I had a cancellation or whatever it was I would just be in there and I would never really go home or not advised, but I wouldn't really eat lunch or anything like that. I would just try, I would try my best. Cause I was like, Hey I could be okay at this. So that's how I managed it. And then another big tip, that, I can give you guys is We had people scheduling our patients, right? They would put them in the books, but I think the thing that really changed the efficiency point of things was I kept up with all the patients. I had a Google phone number and was really making sure that people were coming to their appointments. I would keep a planner and just jot down who needs what and what requirements still need to be fulfilled, et cetera, et cetera, nothing special, but just making sure to be pretty diligent with that will get you ahead. And. And yeah, that's there's no real people I've asked, but there's not really like a special way to go about it. You just have to put your head down and shout

Saad Alamgir:

for sure. It's going to make a way to make it happen. And you did try my best.

Victor Razi:

Was the foundry, the goal, or did you apply a bunch of graduate programs?

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Excuse me. Yeah. Good question. I I had no idea what I wanted to really do coming out of dental school. I knew that I started to learn the surgical game a little bit but I didn't know. And so I was between going the full blown, four to six year oral surgery route, or, I heard about a couple of these different one year programs that offer some very nice education and are not traditional one years. And I thought to myself, I've read a little bit about this. Let me apply. And after one year, if my heart changes, I want to, do something else, then I'll go ahead and do it. It was never really a rush. But more so just figuring out exactly what I wanted to do. And then again, I relied on mentors. I relied on. people that were out of school and they, they said, Hey, check this program out. So I went from Milwaukee, never thought I'd be in Alabama, checked it out for a couple of days and somehow they took me and I was very fortunate for that year.

Victor Razi:

For sure. So like you lived in Birmingham or did you live in Bessemer and commute?

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah. The biggest thing to that is, you'll live in Birmingham but you don't want to live in Bessemer. Oh yeah. That's what I've heard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You, your your clinic is the residency program was in Bessemer. But I lived outside of it for a full year and yeah, I mean, had to had its ups and downs and, but overall I really enjoyed the year.

Victor Razi:

Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about that a little bit. Did you have buddies there or anything, or are you just reached out and, had a good like application and all that, how'd that work?

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah, sure. So I guess the way that I really started off this whole thing is like anyone went on SDN and started, reading up on what people thought about different programs. So again, nothing special. I didn't know but I did know, that they had some lists of, who the program director is and whatnot. So I went straight to him. I decided directly to email him and not like the office manager or anything. And I think it took a little bit of persistence, but ultimately, Dr. McCracken who's the program director. He's a surgical prosthodontist. His big thing was, Hey, I got to see you in person. I, I really care about the application cycle. I care about all the components, but I want to get to know you in person. So I took a flight out for a couple of days and, they showed me a really good time and all the residents that were there. Took me under their wing and just, I was just having fun. I didn't know what I was doing there. This place is freaking crazy. And yeah, I decided to apply for it. So that's how I got into it.

Saad Alamgir:

Yeah. That's a pretty funny story. And it lines up with, we had him on our podcast a couple of episodes ago, Dr. McCracken. Yeah. I mean, it was basically the same thing. I think Victor just shot him a cold email and we worked it out.

Victor Razi:

He's a cool guy. Yeah. He seems

Saad Alamgir:

like the man. He seemed he had a really good vision for the foundry. A lot of. Service oriented y'all seems like just really focus on the patient, just doing what's best for them. And I think that's what really resonated with me. Whenever I was talking to him, he just seemed really interested in. Hoping the patient's not placing all on fours, not placing implants. It's just whatever most benefits them. That's what we're going to do.

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah. That's a, his, him and the team that's there have a very strong mission. It is a safety net clinic at the end of the day. I know, There's a lot of cool procedures and cool things that are going on there. But at the end of the day, he is very his focus hasn't shifted from what we're really doing there and that's providing people that otherwise wouldn't get dental care.

Saad Alamgir:

Yeah. Yeah. Would you mind sharing with us your I think he mentioned that each resident gets one free test case or something where they're able to give their patient free care, whatever they need. You mind sharing your patient with us?

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah, dude, that's I didn't you guys have done your research, huh? Yeah, no so there's a program ultimately the clinic helps individuals that are recovering or have recovered from drugs, alcohol abuse things of that nature. And what we do every year is each resident gets to provide free dental care to one of those residents that are actively going through a recovery program and what they do is they write letters About where they're at in life what they want and what they want to do with their teeth and i'm not gonna lie, it's a little bit of a it's a you'll see some tears at that table all the residents Yeah, so I, we just randomly pick whoever, there's a bunch of letters and mine was a, he was a younger guy. He was recovered. He's just he was just finishing up a program. But basically, he needed a full mouth rehab. He had terminal dentition. You can't ever forget the guy, no matter what he was going through. He was, when he walked into the clinic, he was excited. He was smiling and we worked him up to do some large work and give him some fixed hybrids. And it was a very special kind of case. In residency, you're so caught up with learning and, doing as much as you can. But these moments, they show you that you're here to make an impact and you're here to make a change. And yeah, that was my foundry smiles guy. That's what we call them. Everyone that's in the program is a foundry smiles patient. Yeah he went from, yeah, he went from having no teeth to some really good set of prostheses.

Saad Alamgir:

Yeah. That's awesome, man. Yeah. I mean, you changed his life and that's what dentistry is all about. You're able to help someone out and give them something that they need. They've been working so hard on the recovery and now they finally looked the part. So kudos to you, kudos to the foundry for having that for the residents. I think that's an awesome thing. For

Jinesh Shah:

sure. Thank you guys. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. It's especially. Go ahead. Sorry. I was like, yeah, no, the last thing I was going to say is you don't truly realize, especially being young, right? I mean, you're just coming out of dental school. You don't realize the amount of impact you can have on someone and how much you can change their day. And I think that's what kept me going through the residency year and it made me have some different aspirations from where I started. And that's what, you That's what it's all about.

Victor Razi:

Yeah. Jinesh, did you know what you were getting into when you went to the foundry? Like, how was your experience there? I know that's a broad way of asking it, but did you feel like you, did you anticipate that you were gonna learn as much as you did, or not as much as you did, or how'd that go?

Jinesh Shah:

Sure. Yeah, no, I I definitely knew that it wasn't, a traditional, one year program. But I had no idea what I was getting myself into in terms of the curriculum. And you can read all you want online, you can visit, but when you're in it you're, you realize what it's all about and why people are interested in the program. But yeah, I can get into it in terms of what we did and how my experience was, but, the, People view it as a very heavy surgical program, which it is, which it definitely is. But you're really doing any dentistry that, that comes in the door because these people can't go anywhere. The unique thing about the program is you can choose your avenue. There's not everyone comes into that, to the program. Residency wanting to do just full archer or things of that nature. Some people are interested in doing full mouth crowns. Some people are interested in doing, whatever it may be, you're allowed to choose your path or you can make your own path. But for me, I was with the experience that I got at Marquette I knew that I wanted to take this next step. I learned how to extract teeth. I learned how to do some of the foundational stuff. And I wanted to learn a little bit more about Placing implants and restoring implants. And then that was my conception of it. So we got the implants out of it. I know you guys have heard about it. It was implants galore for sure. That was just the need around the clinic. But there's a whole other two components to it. There's the big emphasis on IV sedation that's led by a dental anesthesiologist in Dr. Caputo. Dr. Anthony Caputo, he's based out of Arizona and he's a fantastic educator and learned so much, not so much about sedation, but So much about how to just manage a patient and the complications that come with anesthesia.

Saad Alamgir:

So

Jinesh Shah:

that was one component of it. And then the other component was drafting and how to build bone. So yeah, we were a few months out of dental school and we were learning how to do open up windows, do ridge splits, do ridge augmentations and things of that nature. There's really three big components to the program in terms of the curriculum, you're still in there doing bread and butter dentistry day to day, if that's what the need is. But overall you'll get. Really what you want out of it,

Saad Alamgir:

you

Jinesh Shah:

just have to put in the hours and at the end of the day, you don't have a choice, but to put in those hours he'll let, the Dr. McCracken will let you know.

Saad Alamgir:

Yeah. So how often, like how many, was it like six days a week and. Like seven to seven or like what was the schedule like for that year? Yeah. Was there like, yeah. Would y'all have like book meetings or like literature reviews? Like, how did y'all learn the cause obviously y'all did a lot of the surgical stuff, but what did y'all do outside of the surgical stuff to learn? A bit more about, the newest technologies, the newest implants and things like that.

Jinesh Shah:

Sure. Sure. Yeah. Great question. So basically the whole year we, yeah, we were basically working six days a week. If you needed to go in on Sundays, you can go in on Sundays. He was a big proponent of, Hey, you got one year let's learn as, as much as we can together. But the way we conducted The residents here was Mondays would be normal clinic Monday through Friday would be, often oftentimes just normal clinic and then Mondays we would stay until about nine, 10, 11 o'clock at night depending on, what we're doing and, That's where we're doing some of the lit reviews. That's where we're doing a lot of the didactic portion because, obviously you're working on live patients and you have to be very calculated. It doesn't, just because you're coming out of dental school and getting into surgery doesn't mean you have to be well acclimated. So we spent a lot of hours learning and doing lit review and going over. He has a whole lecture series, so we'd go over all the lectures. And that's how We got thrown in, into the surgical game. And then the other component of it was he, the program itself offers a year long CE. So there's dentists, people that have been practicing for, years that come and want to learn more about implants. And that's, that's where we work the weekends. That's when the courses are held and we get to sit in on that whole. Lecture series. And then once we finish that lecture the next week we'll go ahead and implement it. That was another big component of the residency year. And those guys that were coming in for the CE would have lecture and then live patients and the residents were responsible for helping them. We would see the very good, we'd see the very bad, we'd see the very ugly and if things didn't go. The way that they were supposed to we were the ones seeing them the following week for You know the post ops and follow ups and you know That was probably my favorite part of the residency because that's where I learned like hey, you can place an implant, you know into the bone you gotta be able to manage what comes with it. So

Saad Alamgir:

right exactly and I think that's what i've heard A lot of general practitioners, if they, because obviously some oral surgeons, they look down on GPs placing implants because they don't know how to deal with the complications, but So for instance, having the opportunity to do a year long residency, which you're seeing recurring patients, if they, your implant goes wrong or something, it's a good way for you to learn how to deal with those complications. So when you do end up in private practice, you'll, when that eventually inevitably does arise, you'll know how to deal with it. So that's cool.

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I mean, I really learned that through the residence here. The biggest thing was people. And it's not just oral surgeons, in my opinion, I think it's just in general, you want to be putting out good work, right? And people, whoever it may be that are doing, Implant dentistry or any type of dentistry in general you want to be doing ethical and really good work. And if something goes wrong, you should, ideally have a team or know yourself how to fix it. And if that's the case, then I think it's okay to be doing what you like. So I think I'm a big advocate of that.

Victor Razi:

What is, what was the most challenging part of doing the foundry?

Jinesh Shah:

I don't think it was the hours for me personally. I know a lot of the residents were the hours were definitely a big challenge because we were working a lot. I think it was just probably. Battling everything that came with patients because, you're doing dentistry, but at the end of the day, when you're working with a population that's recovering, that's had some challenges in life You're, they're coming to you and a lot of times it's not even about the dentistry. It's, they just need someone to talk to. So I think understanding their viewpoint, understanding where you're at and what you want to do in residency is definitely a challenge some days because, those patients have gone through a lot. I'm not saying all of them, we, we have people that are not in recovery programs come visit the clinic as well. But just being able to going from dental school, seeing two patients, to seeing whatever comes through that door, and being able to manage, the human side of it, I think was a challenge at the start, but by the end of it you take a step back and you realize, I'm learning a lot from these guys. I'm learning, what goes on in life and sometimes, being from the suburbs or not really seeing it, you're sheltered and. This program gives you a good outlook on, Hey you're a dentist for a reason. And you have a real purpose to fulfill for these people. So it seems

Victor Razi:

like there's a lot of variables within that program that, I don't know, overall helps you grow a lot as a person,

Jinesh Shah:

yeah no, 100%. It's, I've placed a bunch of, like a few hundred implants, but I think that the biggest thing was like, yeah, I was excited about placing implants as a new grad, but learning the human side of it was the biggest thing for me. Yeah.

Saad Alamgir:

Now that you're a 23 grad, 24 foundry grad. I've seen even going to a couple of weddings here and there this summer. So what are your plans for work? And I know Soren's got to practice. Soren and Tyler just started a practice up pretty recently, Shared Practices I mean, what's your What's your next step? Do you think?

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To hit on the wedding thing. I'm about over it now. I've been texting you guys a little bit, but it's every weekend this past weekend, we had an engagement this coming weekend, my best friend was getting engaged and weddings and all this stuff. And everyone's just looking at me like, Hey man yo, it's your time now. No, I'm enjoying the break right now. In terms of next steps, I really took time to. figure out where I wanted to end up and what I wanted to do. And at the end of the day I realized I did want to be pretty surgically focused and I really did do a full arch dentistry. Now I know that there's a lot And, coming out of residency, I have a good foundation, but there's a lot to learn. There's a lot of good mentors out there. And but I did want to focus on that. So I don't know how much I can speak on it just yet because there's a lot of things in the works, but I will be working with Dr. Paape and Dr. Tolbert and, I'll be out of Milwaukee in that same model. And I'm very excited about it. We're just right now. Yeah we're just in the phase of just getting everything ready to go. But very excited about it. And I know it's not the traditional route, it's not a, just a traditional associateship. So there's going to be some hardships and challenges, but I'm very excited for it.

Victor Razi:

For sure. If you if you told your like second year, third year dental school self, like in the position you are now would you be pretty shocked or kind of Dude,

Jinesh Shah:

I'd be running the other direction. I would never believe it. I would never believe it, man. I was I'm the first one to say it. I didn't even think I'd get into dental school. I didn't even think I'd graduate out of dental school, even though I, I was never, I heard Dr. Tolbert talk about this on your last podcast. I'm not, I was never one to get it. Right away or the first time it took

Victor Razi:

a

Jinesh Shah:

yeah. I busted my butt. And I know every, everyone's doing that, but it took a lot of work, but I I would never would have imagined everything that kind of unfolded. But at the end of the day, I'm just very grateful and fortunate for, where I am. And I know I'm just getting started. So

Victor Razi:

for sure. Did you have any like big mentors in your life throughout the whole process?

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah, man. Great question. I wanted to hit on that a little bit with you guys because you guys being in dental school, I think everything that's happened that's good has been through mentorship. When I first got into dental school, I relied on people like Dr. Paape and a few of other D4s. And then throughout Marquette, throughout my time at Marquette, I had that surgeon and Dr. G and I still talk to him to this day that Was honestly at the day, like a second dad, by the end of it, the guy was giving me a hard time in the operating room and things like that, but it changed the way that I thought about things. And then I really rely on I don't know if you guys know who Tyler rushing is. I'm sure you guys knew Dr. Tyler rushing. He was a, he's absolutely killing it. Yeah,

Victor Razi:

he's actually

Jinesh Shah:

a foundry grad. So he graduated from the foundry and I just randomly messaged him on Instagram and said, Hey man, like I want to. Basically be like you, right? How can I get there? And then by the end of it, he was coming down to the foundry to do some cases with me and doing some extra maxillary cases, which I was very fortunate for. So yeah, Dr. Rushing, Dr. G some people that were older than me. I had some really good mentors and I wouldn't be able to do it without.

Saad Alamgir:

Yeah, that's sweet. Do you have any recommendations for, say, I mean, the D1s just started and D2s? I mean, do you have any recommendations for dental students in general?

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing is just staying on your path. You want to keep your head down and not really look side to side too much. Find your good group of friends and really keep them close. And keep it going because just I mean, I'm sure you guys know there's a lot of good days, but there's a lot of tough days in dental school. So I think the biggest thing is yeah, keep your head down. Things are gonna work out. You're obviously in dental school for a reason. And you're gonna make it through no matter how hard it is sometimes. The second thing is like we just talked about, find some really good mentors. And you'd be surprised that some of these big names and big guys just willing to take you in like with open arms. With social media and things like that nowadays. Just reach out. I think it's really important just to reach out and just talk to them and go visit them, shadow them and they will be your friend for your early career and throughout your career. And then, yeah, I guess the third thing is take all the opportunity that you can. I'm not saying do necessarily what I did and not eat lunch or anything like that, but Yeah, anytime, there's one of your classmates are sick or there's a patient that needs an extraction or if oral surgery residents or peri residents, whoever it is willing to show you things go and do that. Don't, don't shy away from it. It's going to be nerve wracking at the start because you feel like You don't know anything, but that's what's going to shape the way for you to see things that you wouldn't see if you're just going through dental school and just going through the motions of it. So I think those three things are pretty important.

Victor Razi:

For sure. It's 30 minutes that we got you on, dude. We can tell that you're a humble guy and you deserve everything you worked for. So we really do appreciate talking to you and in fact, and hoping things go well for you in your future. So we appreciate that, man.

Jinesh Shah:

Yeah, no, thank you guys. Thank you guys so much. And you guys keep killing it too. You guys you guys got some bright futures ahead, so I'm looking forward to it

Saad Alamgir:

for sure. Keep in touch.