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Scaling Success in Oral Surgery w/ BloodyToothGuy

• Saadman Alamgir

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In this episode of Let's Talk Teeth, we sit down with Dr. Jason Auerbach— also known as @bloodytoothguy on Instagram— to explore his remarkable journey from dental school to becoming the CEO and founder of Max Surgical Specialty Management. Dr. Auerbach shares his experiences training in Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery at Kings County Hospital, growing Riverside Oral Surgery into a multi-location practice, and navigating the ever-evolving field of oral surgery.

He offers valuable insights on building a strong healthcare culture, balancing clinical practice with entrepreneurship, and overcoming the challenges of modern surgical practice. With a rich career spanning over two decades, Dr. Auerbach provides an inside look into the worlds of high-level oral surgery and business innovation— making this a must-watch episode for dental students, residents, and anyone passionate about the future of dentistry.


Be sure to follow Dr. Auerbach @bloodytoothguy and listen into his podcast The Full Scope @tfs.podcast


00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

00:30 Dr. Jason Auerbach's Background

00:46 Starting Riverside Oral Surgery

01:35 Challenges and Growth in Oral Surgery

02:22 Training at Kings County Hospital

03:27 Max Surgical Specialty Management

06:27 Entrepreneurship in Oral Surgery

10:54 Scaling and Future Goals for Max

14:03 Differentiating Max from Other Groups

16:05 Building a Reputation in Healthcare

16:42 Launching a New Podcast: The Full Scope

17:17 Balancing a Busy Schedule

18:36 The Importance of Social Media Presence

21:35 Diversity in Oral Surgery

22:54 Personal Interests and Hobbies

23:28 Health and Fitness Journey

25:17 Mindfulness and Meditation

26:19 Advice for the Next Generation

28:47 Final Thoughts and Farewell

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Saad Alamgir:

What's going on everyone? Welcome back to Let's Talk Teeth. Today we have the Dr. Jason Auerbach. Jason, thank you for joining us. It's been a long time in the making. For those of our listeners who don't know, would you mind kinda introducing yourself, where you went to school and what you're doing now, and we can kinda just go from there.

Jason Auerbach:

Sure. Absolutely. First of all, thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it

Victor Razi:

Of course.

Jason Auerbach:

I'm looking forward to this very much. My name's Jason Auerback. I I finished dental school back when I. Maybe some of you guys weren't even born or some of the people listening to this. In 1999, I trained at Kings County Hospital SUNY Downstate Medical Center in Oral Maxillofacial surgery. I started a practice back in 2007 called Riverside Oral Surgery, which grew in northern and central New Jersey to about. 10 or 11 locations. And then really thought about the next steps as things were changing in the industry and private equity was stepping in. I knew that I didn't want to sell to a general dental DSO. didn't wanna sell to a multi-specialty DSO, and I really didn't want to just be a plug and play in an existing oral surgery DSO. So I basically started my own. I went out and I found investors. And we created what's called Max Surgical Specialty Management. We now

Victor Razi:

Sweet.

Jason Auerbach:

nearly 30 offices in five states in the Northeast, so pure

Saad Alamgir:

Wow.

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

play, and that's what I do. I'm the

Victor Razi:

That's awesome.

Jason Auerbach:

and founder, and

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

that's

Victor Razi:

Right when you got out was, did you do an associateship for a little while and then venture off into private practice? How'd that go? I.

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah. The interesting thing about me is I talk about this whenever I'm on any kind of panel or anything, is I basically have I don't wanna say done it all, but done it all. I was an associate when I came right outta residency, I worked for two of my attendings who saw something in me and brought me in. I was there in Manhattan as an associate for about a year. Then became an associate in New Jersey, which is where I'm currently sitting

Victor Razi:

Right.

Jason Auerbach:

and had one of those experiences, like most, at least in my generation, where, you were promised a whole lot and it,

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

the things didn't work Maybe hoped. But thankfully

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

work out the way

Victor Razi:

That's awesome. Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah,

Victor Razi:

Yeah. So you said you went to Kings County. What, how was your training at Kings County?

Jason Auerbach:

It was great. It was intense. It was the late nineties, early two thousands in Brooklyn, before Brooklyn was, completely gentrified as it is now. So there was a lot of interpersonal violence. There were a lot of patients who were, who needed a lot of care. So there was a lot of trauma. There was a lot of pathology. The hospital itself was very hands-on, we saw, and very

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

It prepared me to do things that I could never, ever imagine doing. But back then we were doing some pretty amazing

Victor Razi:

For sure.

Jason Auerbach:

and it prepared me, I speak about this a lot too, as an oral maxillofacial surgeon, part of the training is really you're prepared to handle anything. Not that you're necessarily gonna do all the things that you did when you were training.

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

Some don't but that you realize the complications that come your way or the littlest kind of snafus that might occur in your day-to-day Easily dealt with because of the real stuff that you've dealt with in

Victor Razi:

For sure.

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah.

Saad Alamgir:

going into what you're practicing with now, you mentioned that you started Riverside and now you're part of the Max's specialty management course. How did that transition and how does that differ from, a private equity group in a general dentistry field? If this is only for oral surgeons?

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah oral surgery the part of why I did it myself was I feel like oral maxillofacial surgery, I say this with love to anyone who's not. Interested in oral maxillofacial surgery? I think it's the best specialty in all of healthcare. And I think that it's very unique and because it's so unique, there are needs that surgeon, that oral maxillofacial surgeons have that really can't be met in the general dentist to general dental space. A lot of oral surgeons come out and they work in general dental DSOs, or they work in general dental offices and they're surgically minded, general dentist. But being an oral maxillofacial surgeon and. Functioning as a standalone oral maxillofacial surgery practice. Has its own unique kind of of stuff that we deal with. We are if you wanna take it from a business perspective, we are a B2B, right? So we are a referral based management business. We are all about our referring doctors and communicating with our referring doctors and being available to them. Very different than the direct to consumer model of a general dental office, where even if there are multiple specialists within the general dental office it's again, direct to consumer, captive audience. We have to really rebuild our practice every single year. So that unique set of challenges is best supported by those. Who have.

Victor Razi:

Nice. So we're bouncing around everywhere here, but I'm just curious how, what's the biggest challenge you've faced with Max so far, and like, how do you see the, this is a double question, but how do you see the foreseeable future of Max, like what are the goals behind it?

Jason Auerbach:

I think that I, I think the biggest challenge is trying to,

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

I think that's like anything, there are good DSOs out there. There are bad DSOs out there. There are, Like human beings.

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

got their strengths and their weaknesses. Part of what. What's great about Riverside oral surgery, Riverside still exists, by

Victor Razi:

Okay.

Jason Auerbach:

What is great about Riverside Oral Surgery is the culture that we developed by basically growing from the ground up. Then you go and you partner with practices that have a different culture. The beauty of Max is this concept of collaboration and that we all bring something to the table and we all learn from each

Victor Razi:

Right,

Jason Auerbach:

So that has helped rise, everybody's game to some

Victor Razi:

sure.

Jason Auerbach:

but. The culture piece, um, can vastly differ from practice to practice. And, sometimes having people understand what the benefit of one versus the other can be a little bit, can be a little bit of a challenge.

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

Everything else has been really, we've been very fortunate. We've been able to partner with some really good docs who have. Who have really raised everybody's And we've been doing it consistently, and so the business is

Victor Razi:

That's awesome. And that was leading into my next question is, I know you're a, you're a unicorn in this OMS realm to have an entrepreneurial mindset, but also, enjoy the surgery as well. I. Off of that, what kind of gave you the necessary tools you need to like, understand the financials? It goes into reading the P&L, learning about how to, how much is private equity gonna offer you? Is this a fair amount? Is this all independent study or did you have.

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah. And honestly, I'm still learning. So my skillset, am very entrepreneurial. I've always been very entrepreneurial. And it is a unique, I wouldn't say unicorn per se, but a unique combination to like, have the clinical love and to have the love for, and aptitude for business, right? So those two things. Working together have helped me tremendously and I believe have helped Max. I think that there is a lot of information out there. There are a lot of people out there who. Would put themselves out there to be like experts in the field. But really your generation in particular is you guys go out and seek knowledge and have all this knowledge and information at your fingertips. So long as you know that the sources that you're using are. Appropriate and adequate and vast. You're gonna be, you're fine. My strength was never in the finance and accounting or anything like that, never. But I built a team around me who have complimentary skill sets. I. But understand the

Victor Razi:

Sure. That makes perfect sense.

Jason Auerbach:

we have, we have a tremendous group of individuals whose mission is to

Victor Razi:

Yes,

Jason Auerbach:

passionately support and serve our surgeons. So I do what I do well. Those guys do what they do And together we all do well.

Victor Razi:

Is there I know you really have gone down this rabbit hole of like entrepreneurship versus, when you came outta practice, you maybe you did, but I assume you didn't imagine that you were gonna be at the, in the position you are now. What would you recommend for residents or new grads that really want to make an impact in the business world along with the oral surgery world? Like how would you go about it in today's world?

Jason Auerbach:

I think this is something that I would, Really try to hammer home to you guys and everyone of your generation is there's so much that can be learned that needs to be learned from experience. A lot of you guys, and this is not a slant, like this is not like a knock. This is really a fact. A lot of you guys have. Because you have access to all this information and this whole entrepreneur life is glorified on social. And You, this concept that like it can be done. You, I'm, I can tell you firsthand that there are people out there that are. Influential who are doing none of what they say they're doing or very little of what

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

And so the only real way to do it and to become successful is to really pay your dues. You got, you can't know the first thing about running a practice without. Without, for the first time, understanding that your lead assistant and her second assistant some reason can't get along that day. And how do you deal with that? Like you can't, you have to go through these things. You have to learn from your mistakes. You have to learn from your perceived failures so that you can build something and succeed. I started Riverside in 2007. I look back at. Thousand seven, 2015, 2020 even. Blows my mind how different I see the world and again, from we, from your seats, you're like, this is an older guy. Like the world is much quicker now and all this kind of shit. But humanity is humanity. I was in your position 20 years ago, thir, I guess maybe 25. 30 years The fuck it was. And in, in any case, I was in your position and people my age would be like, yeah, whatever. That's an old guy. He doesn't know

Victor Razi:

yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

But the fact is that I do believe that generally generationally speaking, because we as people my age who are adapters and adopters of.

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

and whatever. We, we are a little bit younger than let's say my parents' generation were to me. So I really am telling you basically to cut it short, you gotta do

Victor Razi:

Yeah, Makes sense.

Jason Auerbach:

Think you can.

Victor Razi:

Makes perfect sense.

Saad Alamgir:

makes sense. But I have a question about the scaling of it. So you had mentioned that y'all are in 30 locations, five states. What is your, ultimate goal for Max? Do you wanna be in the northeast area or would you like to spread all over the US and eventually be like. Kind of the forefront leaders of oral surgery

Jason Auerbach:

So my personal long term goal is to build, is to really build a practice or a platform that is ultimately widespread our But I don't think in those terms right now, my goal, my near term goal is to build. Really significant geographic density from a business perspective, but to continue to raise the bar in terms of what does it mean to, to do healthcare at scale, right? There's this kind of negative implication or people perceive private equity backed, businesses as in somehow decreased care. And those two things I don't think they necessarily need to be, Grouped together. In fact,

Victor Razi:

a true generalization though. That's a true generalization though. Like people, that's what people think.

Jason Auerbach:

yeah. But so I, I'll tell you right now, like the beauty of Max is we have, we, I wrote it into the charter of the organization. We have a clinical advisory board that is autonomous and independent and deals with every single thing that's related to delivery of care so that the only surgeons, just doctors on this board to make all the decisions as it relates. Through collaboration, discussion and whatever to delivery of care so that the care is never compromised. Why for me, my, my true like like large scale goal is to change the way that healthcare at scale is seen. That is my, that's what I want to do. Big

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

But now what we're doing is we're growing in the Northeast and we wanna really create a business that we can be proud of. And that is. That's what it comes down. I didn't start Riverside you mentioned this before. I didn't start Riverside to sell There. There was no private equity interested in healthcare at the time. I started Riverside to build the best oral maxillofacial surgery practice in the world Elevate the standard of care, to create the optimal patient experience to, to bring hospitality into healthcare, which it wasn't at the time when I was starting. And so I was, um. When things changed and private equity became interested, not just in general dentistry, but specialty Surgery specifically, and m and a was huge like three, four years ago, It became obvious to me like where my business was gonna go.

Saad Alamgir:

And I like how you mentioned before you're scaling culture, not scaling a business. And ultimately if you have that culture, throughout patients are gonna see that and they're gonna come to appreciate it. So kudos to you for, bringing that forward. But. For the listeners who aren't familiar, you mentioned scaling a healthcare business versus scaling an a regular business. I, I'm aware of the differences, but do you mind delving into those and then as well after, would you mind explaining how y'all's private equity group max is different from the other oral surgery groups such as, I don't know, Nuvia or, companies like that?

Jason Auerbach:

So take those things in reverse. And clear choice and these businesses are. For people who may not know, they are businesses that are designed really around the implant space specifically the full arch space. There are. Businesses that are orals, pure orals, or, full scope oral maxillofacial surgical plays, like similar to Max or of the ilk of Max. But he, the thing about Max is that we are constantly reinvest, reinvesting in our surgeons, in our education, in our technology, in our offices, in our, education in every single thing that we can do to continue to improve the. Patient experience. So we provide, we have full scope oral maxillofacial surgery. We're not just exodus, we're not just, meaning taking teeth out. We're not just doing implants and wisdom teeth and this kind of stuff. We have head and neck surgeons in our practice. We have cosmetic facial, cosmetic surgeons in our practice. We have t and cranial, we do orthognatic

Saad Alamgir:

Wow. Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

pathology, so are not. We, we are a true kind of like old school, oral, full scope, oral maxillofacial

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

We have fellowship trained surgeons in all the subspecialties within oral maxillofacial surgery and pride ourselves on that. We have female leadership, we have multicultural leadership, and we pride ourselves on that. We have doctors. In nonclinical leadership roles, we have one of our surgeons Dr. Akila Brown is head of di and and community outreach. We have our medical director. Margot Greenberg, Friedberg, sorry. Who is our really heads up the entire medical side of the practice and does an ex an extremely exceptional job. And so realistically speaking, we are differentiated in many ways from any other. Oral maxillofacial surgery Any other service industry, massage therapy

Saad Alamgir:

Right.

Jason Auerbach:

physical therapy, which is obviously healthcare. It's just a different type of healthcare. Obviously, we're not looking to see as many patients as humanly possible to get patients

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

What we're trying to do is create the best outcomes and continue to build our reputation because all healthcare is local and if you don't realize that if you're an investor, if you're to invest in. Specialty dentistry, and you don't realize that the relationship between the specialist and his or her referring doctors is at the core of what's gonna make you successful. You're gonna fail because you're gonna piss off the docs, they're gonna go elsewhere. And that's

Victor Razi:

Yeah. Understandable. That's the truth. Turning the tables a little bit here if I'm not mistaken, you just started official podcast. Is that correct?

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah I did with Akila Brown. Yeah, it's called the Full Scope, which is a nod to oral maxillofacial surgery. But the fact that we talk about, everything, different differences in perspective in life and stuff like that, which is Yeah I've been on a lot of podcasts. It, and

Victor Razi:

It was time.

Jason Auerbach:

I've been on, I've been on a lot of podcasts and I. feel like

Victor Razi:

Yeah,

Jason Auerbach:

have something to say. I feel like people want to hear what I have

Victor Razi:

for sure.

Jason Auerbach:

Akila as well, Dr. Brown as well, It just seemed like the right Which is just another thing in terms of my bandwidth. You talk about like people who are curating an image but not really doing it. I practice full oral surgery. Days a week. I see patients Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, half day Friday I do business Monday business development in the evening. Every evening I do podcasts like this. I do my podcast on the

Victor Razi:

Yeah,

Jason Auerbach:

I still post on Bloody Tooth So it's is

Victor Razi:

For sure.

Jason Auerbach:

full.

Victor Razi:

And one thing I can appreciate just to give you some credit here is whenever we reached out, like last year, you, it seems like you're very good at really just like committing yourself to things.'cause you, whenever we reached out to Lisa and all, it was never, no, he can't make time for you. It was like, he can make time for you. Let me just see in his visit schedule how he can get you in there. Yeah, just want to some respect for.

Jason Auerbach:

appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. Listen, one could say, I should probably say no more, right? That's one of those are one of the principles of like success and time management and all that. But I honestly, I love this because you guys are the future of what we're

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

it's gonna be amazing to see for me where guys like you take

Victor Razi:

Yeah,

Jason Auerbach:

Take the social piece.

Victor Razi:

sure.

Jason Auerbach:

But where dentistry is gonna be 20 years when

Victor Razi:

Yeah,

Jason Auerbach:

70 and hopefully,

Victor Razi:

for sure.

Jason Auerbach:

probably not really size chairside anymore.

Victor Razi:

With, so with the social piece I did want to know from pick your brain a little bit do you have any recommendations the social game wasn't a thing really 20, 30 years ago when you were practicing and it's definitely evolved a lot. So what are your recommendations to getting into the game now or is it necessary or, what are your thoughts on that?

Jason Auerbach:

It's part of, it's part of building a brand having a, an Instagram account or TikTok account where you're. Where some marketing company is just managing and putting up still images or even videos that are, B roll or stock footage or whatever, or di digital images for Thanksgiving or whatever. None of that shit matters at all. You need it like you need a website. When I started out, I had a, like website day one before day one. The older guys didn't have websites. They didn't think it was necessarily necessary. That is a fact in the like early

Victor Razi:

Yeah. That's wild.

Jason Auerbach:

IT people didn't necessarily have a website that is a standard, now you need And then it was like, is your, it was your website mobile friendly. That was something that happened. And then it was like, you know, the fact is you need a social media presence. You don't. You probably don't need a social media presence to be successful, but it's an expectation. And if you're looking to build a brand, it's definitely part of the, it's part of the equation. Listen, eyeballs or eyeballs, the fact is I don't, my business isn't significantly better because I'm bloody tooth guy, but my. Personal brand is my, reaches my influence is I'm here because of that, not because I've built a business that is, let's be real. If I wasn't bloody tooth guy and I, you wouldn't necessarily know that I built

Victor Razi:

Yeah that's

Jason Auerbach:

So that's that's how you have to look

Victor Razi:

for sure.

Saad Alamgir:

But yeah, for those of you who don't follow Dr. Auerbach on Instagram, I mean. He has got, I think you're probably the most followed person we've had on our podcast. So just shout out. Appreciate that. Shout out to you for making time But I was wondering, you mentioned that you have a new podcast. Could you explain what that's about and just give us a synopsis of what it is so our listeners can check it out.

Jason Auerbach:

Sure. It's called the Full Scope. Dr. Akeyla Brown and I. Basically, I don't go head to head, but we speak and have guests the one that's the first one that's, which is the only one that's yet been released is just Akeyla and me talking about life and our, how we got here. It's more or less the pilot. The ones that are coming down the pipe are a little bit. More specific, it's really all about life. It's really about what it is to be in healthcare, what it is to be a female in

Victor Razi:

For sure.

Jason Auerbach:

or an older dude who's doing it or whatever. It's just us talking about life and it's it's relatable. We come at it from Places, but we, we love each other. We're like, we're great friends. We are colleagues, mutual respect and positivity and all of that. So it's

Victor Razi:

That's awesome too that she's involved because. I feel like, there's a lot of careers that are male dominated, but historically or surgery is like significantly male dominated,

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah. Yeah. So that's a fact. There are, I think it's maybe eight or 9% female now. Now, if you look at most oral maxillofacial surgery entering. Classes. They're only 250 to 300 and something total positions that finish every

Victor Razi:

right?

Jason Auerbach:

Now many of them are 50% female.

Victor Razi:

For sure.

Jason Auerbach:

That's that. So you're gonna, you're gonna see a major

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

which, there's a good thing for our profession for And listen more. When I was coming through, very few women, very few women, were still women who were like, not necessarily thinking it was like, appropriate or like they could, they do it or

Victor Razi:

right.

Jason Auerbach:

it's

Victor Razi:

Makes sense.

Jason Auerbach:

a good, it's a good

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

It's a good thing.

Saad Alamgir:

and I mean, even now dental school acceptance rates, I feel like they're shifting more towards females. So I'm sure oral surgery will follow suit.

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah, it has, it, it al it already has for sure. When I was in dental school, it was like 55% male dental school and now I think it's shifted

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

inversely, it's probably 55% female or something like That's that.

Victor Razi:

Yeah. That's wild, man. Stepping away from a dentistry a little bit, what what do you like to do to just escape all of this madness that you encounter on a daily or weekly basis?

Jason Auerbach:

So what I guess my primary thing that I do, my

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

kinda hobby or interest is live music. I see a lot of live music. I, I live in New York. I'm six miles from New York City right now, so I see music all the time. At least once a week I try to see some sort of a

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

I travel. Travel for me is tremendous. It's important. I'm currently on a four week health and fitness

Victor Razi:

I saw that.

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah. Yeah. So that, that's been good. And actually, transformative, essentially forget the weight piece. It's like mindset and feeling

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

better,

Victor Razi:

this diet and like exercise or is it all.

Jason Auerbach:

Diet and exercise. It's, the concept is for me, or has been for me, is listen, just find the time to get there. I, I really do work like a crazy person. So just to even find a half an hour, 45 minutes an hour to me can sometimes be difficult. I had to prove myself in that first week that I could just get my ass to the gym for a half an hour.

Victor Razi:

Awesome.

Jason Auerbach:

now 25. Today will be 26 days. A 28

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

First, so fitness, nutrition, sleeping, mindfulness, and that's

Victor Razi:

That's awesome. Yeah. What big nutrition addition have you added to your routine? What, is there anything crazy you eat or anything?

Jason Auerbach:

It, no, it's been more subtraction than addition.

Victor Razi:

Easy math.

Jason Auerbach:

it's been, yeah, so I, because of what I do. For the business, there's a lot of business development dinners. Those dinners, meaning going out with ref either referring doctors who send us

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

or going out with surgeons who were hopeful will either join our platform or join us as a, as an associate. There's a lot of entertaining. That entertaining often comes with vodka. That vodka comes with feeling like shit the next day and eating unnecessarily and wrong, making wrong decisions in that as it relates to nutrition. So less drinking fewer carbohydrates on a daily basis, though not none. And really just kinda just being mindful about what I'm putting into my

Victor Razi:

Yeah. And.

Jason Auerbach:

it.

Victor Razi:

Just going down a little bit more of that area, what type of mindfulness stuff are you getting into? Because I feel like that's a overlooked area often when you're, trying to get physically right. You forget the mindfulness. So what are you doing there?

Jason Auerbach:

What I'm trying to learn the meditation concept. That is a very foreign concept to me. I am just, my nature is I'm, I am, probably not, I am undiagnosed, but undoubtedly a DD I am somebody who's just constantly on the go. And for me it's very challenging to keep focused on any Because literally as I talk to anybody, I think of oh, how do I create a business around that? Or something creative around that and all of that. I really, I breath work, honestly, breathing,

Victor Razi:

for sure.

Jason Auerbach:

That's a huge thing for me. Box breathing is something that I've, that I'm like, like seeing the benefit of and I think really just being, intentional about my actions, trying to be less reactive, more thoughtful. Those just, all, it's very simple stuff. I'm very simple

Victor Razi:

Yeah. Awesome. As we close here, do you have any final advice for dental students or people who are just getting out and really what I want to get out of this final advice is let's step away from like rural surgery and honestly, let's just step away from maybe even dentistry. Just kind life in general. How would you what would you want your future or your younger self to hear if you were able to. Talk back to, to younger Jason.

Jason Auerbach:

Yeah, I talk about this to my kids. So I have a daughter who's a junior in college and a, and I have another daughter who's a senior in high school. And I talk about really a couple of different things. The first thing being primarily is you wanna put yourself in a position to have options that you are in the position, the driver's seat to make choices, right? So whatever stage in life you are in, you really want to do as well as you can in whatever stage that you're in to keep your options open in the future. You also want to meet as many people as you possibly can who are doing things you perceive you may want to

Victor Razi:

Sure.

Jason Auerbach:

You want to take risk in the sense that you want to. want to ask you, you do not get in this world what you deserve or what you perceive you deserve. You get in this world what you ask for. So you want to self-advocate and you want to just expose yourself to as many different things, as many different ideas and as many different experiences as you possibly can. And I think, save some time to have a good time. I know that like my generation versus your generation we always rip your generation for were like,

Victor Razi:

Yeah,

Jason Auerbach:

we worked for 75 hours a, a day and

Victor Razi:

for sure.

Jason Auerbach:

We never went away. I didn't take a vacation for the first seven years of Riverside and. You guys like go to Lake Como and when you're a student, it's, it doesn't even compute to our

Victor Razi:

Yeah that's the truth.

Jason Auerbach:

but I know, but you should enjoy, but you should also try to

Victor Razi:

Work.

Jason Auerbach:

I hate the word balance, but yeah, play hard, work hard, play hard. You should enjoy yourselves for sure, but you should also realize that by busting your ass now. Ultimately, you're gonna get what you want. Again, you're looking at me, I'm 51 years old. I didn't buy like a fancy car until I was 40. I didn't, I didn't really travel the way I travel until I was in my forties and stuff like that. When I was in my twenties and my th thirties, I was learning, I was hustling, I was paying my dues, I was doing more than was asked of So that in the end, I could have, you know

Victor Razi:

For sure.

Jason Auerbach:

Think I have now, which is still not even close to where I want to go. So a long

Victor Razi:

Yeah.

Jason Auerbach:

It's a long road.

Saad Alamgir:

Yeah, I mean, thank you sir. You've made it this far and we look forward to seeing all the amazing things at Max and the things that you do on social media. We're excited to see what's in store for you, so thank you. And for your Dr. Auerbach. Yeah, we appreciate it, man. That's all that we got, but no problem. Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it and I'm sure our listeners really enjoy this.

Jason Auerbach:

Thank you, sir.

Victor Razi:

Of course.

Jason Auerbach:

No trouble at all. Anything you guys need any questions that your listeners may have? I really do respond to my dms and stuff on, on, on bloody tooth guys, so I'm happy to answer

Victor Razi:

I can attest. Appreciate it, man.

Jason Auerbach:

No worries. No worries. Thank you.