Episode #8_Ayrton Wooley
[00:00:00] Wayne: I'm Wayne Carey, and this is The Truth Hurts.
[00:00:06] Ayrton: Well, Wayne, hello again for another episode of The Truth Hurts, and I can't help but notice as soon as I
[00:00:11] Wayne: see this... You know what, I can't help but notice, and I love the fact that you've, you've gone back to the hat. And I think it's a good choice. Uh, you've, until you, the mosh kicks in, then stick with the, uh, stick with the hat while we're doing this.
[00:00:23] Wayne: Please. I can't believe you. Very off-put with the shine that comes off your five head. I
[00:00:28] Ayrton: can't believe you've hijacked my intro
[00:00:30] Wayne: tell me that in the first. Oh, I like that. I like
[00:00:33] Ayrton: that In first 30 seconds. I like the hat. Well, thank you. Um, but the elephant in the room right now is, is actually. He's actually what's
[00:00:40] Wayne: going on.
[00:00:40] Wayne: I have put on a little bit actually. What is going on with your eye? The eye? Oh, well, well. You've got a big shiner and it's like,
[00:00:46] Ayrton: you're a bit
[00:00:47] Wayne: puffy. I could, uh, there's so many areas that I could go here, but this show is called The Truth Hurts. So, I tell you what, I had a very interesting weekend and Carter was involved in all of it.
[00:00:57] Wayne: My little four year old. So he did Oz Kick [00:01:00] for the first time. Right. So, and fair to say for all those kangaroo supporters out there that are thinking father, son, don't count your chickens just yet. So his first, his first session, albeit it was raining and drizzly and cold, and he didn't want to be there, um, at all for the first 20 minutes, warmed up a little bit and got going by the end.
[00:01:20] Wayne: But, uh, as I said, not, you know, he's not over the line by any stretch of the imagination, but then, um. Um, got back to Jess's place and he was, uh, his bike, he's got the training wheels still on his bike. I thought, well, it's been a big day. You didn't, you know, shine so much at Auskick, but we're ripping the training wheels off and I ripped them off and he just jumped on and just rode straight up the road, turned around and came back.
[00:01:46] Wayne: So proud parenting, very proud parenting moment there. Um, and yeah, I just couldn't believe how easily he did it. It should have been off. uh, long ago. So that's a great deflection. That's a deflection you've just made. And then, so I'm going to give you a multiple [00:02:00] choice about, I'm going to give you a multiple choice about the eyes.
[00:02:02] Wayne: So, uh, then having her, uh, wrestle with catacombs, the knee to the head, um, or that's a B or a phone to the side of the head. C. Was out on Saturday night. Happened to get into a little bit of a scuffle or D. None of the above. Which one would you take out of all
[00:02:24] Ayrton: of those? Oh, geez. That's, that's a really hard question.
[00:02:26] Ayrton: Knowing you, it's probably none of the above. Is it? You sneaky bastard. What
[00:02:33] Wayne: have you done? I was just a good knee phone. Should have been D should have been all of the above. No, it's just a little, uh, little knock to the side of the head and I'm, I'm fine. I'm a big boy. I've from Carter. I, I, yeah, I remember I had, uh, this happened, oh, it must've been about three years ago on channel seven.
[00:02:53] Wayne: And I was on a, I was on a Wednesday night and I was coming home from an event and I fell over and cut [00:03:00] the eye. And when I say cut the eye, I probably needed a stitch or two. And I remember I rang Gary O'Keefe, who is a ripper at Channel 7. And I said, Gaz, I've got, got a problem here. I said, I need, I think I might need some stitches.
[00:03:12] Wayne: And at the actual eye went black, black and blue. And he said, well, nothing untoward, like nothing's going to come out or anything. And I should. Absolutely no way in the world, unless, unless there's a camera in the street that saw me where I remember
[00:03:27] Ayrton: this, because I asked you, I asked you during the week, and you're like, nah, nah, nothing, nah, nah, nah,
[00:03:31] Wayne: nothing mate.
[00:03:31] Wayne: Though it would have been great vision, if they had the vision of me just, you know, face planting onto the road, but, um, no, so they're very similar to that. Nothing will ever be, you know, will come of it, but I, yeah, it's, it's funny how people look at you when you've got a little bit of a, you know, black eye.
[00:03:49] Wayne: And it's not really that bad, is it? Is it that bad? It's quite puffy. I tell you what, it's a bit sore. A little
[00:03:54] Ayrton: puffy on the side. Yeah. Yeah. Just on card, because I know you are a very proud dad, and football's been a [00:04:00] big part of your life. Do you think it'll be part of his, and how do you, uh, broach that in terms of encouraging him to, to play or, or go down his own path with whatever he wants to
[00:04:09] Wayne: do?
[00:04:09] Wayne: Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, uh, Massively encouraging him into footy. Like I said, he wanted to go to Auskick. It was a, it was a choice. He knew some other, you know, little kids. He is, he's not officially an Auskick member because he's only four. You've got to be turning five, but he's just down there mingling, you know, with the other kids and having a, having a go at it.
[00:04:27] Wayne: So it's just a good little introduction. I was hands on. Which I, I, I, the last time. What, umpiring? Or what were you? No, I just got involved and helped the kids. Not one of those bad parents. Showing, well, no, I was showing the kids how to hold the ball properly. Okay. So rather than, you know, them just coming in and allowing them to kick the ball, I was just, just showing them a little bit of technique.
[00:04:47] Wayne: You can never start too early. So I did, it was like I said, rainy, drizzly day, but it was good to, it was actually really good to get involved, but it was a good weekend of footy on the flip side. And I'm, I'm changing the subject now because I thought, I [00:05:00] thought the, uh, the big game yesterday was a little bit disappointing and I've been pretty critical about the blues, haven't I?
[00:05:08] Wayne: Um, I will say this other than the difference between the two teams now is. The Collingwoods confidence and the Blues lack of confidence and it just shines through and not only in front of goal And they could have they could have been a lot closer This they could have put Collingwood under a lot of pressure if they'd kick straight in front of goal And there's probably at least six that you should be 60 to you know 65 to 70 percent you should be nailing those shots and they're missing those shots at the moment So it takes the scoreboard pressure off Collingwood and Collingwood well You know, and I know this has been said a lot by other people, but they are just a really exciting team to watch because no matter where they are, they just take the game on.
[00:05:52] Wayne: They surge the ball forward and I love the way they run and carry. Darcy Moore, the skipper, was brilliant. Huge, [00:06:00] sensational tend to
[00:06:00] Ayrton: set marks. It wasn't in the end, 1111, it was just revised back. He lost the record. Oh, equal record.
[00:06:05] Wayne: Equal record now. Yeah. Oh, well there you go. But Champion got him. He was, yeah, he was very, very solid and, and just, I, I, I guess he highlights the way they wanna start their attack.
[00:06:15] Wayne: He marks it and he takes off and, and, and uses it so well. So I was very impressed by them. The blues on the other hand, um, long way. I know they're not that far off in terms of points on the ladder, but in terms of just where they are at with their game and their confidence, you know, it just, you just, as Pago used to say, you just can't flick on a switch and, and the next week you, you come in confident.
[00:06:38] Wayne: So I'm, I'm, I am worried about where they're
[00:06:40] Ayrton: at. There was a word that stuck in my mind after the game in terms of comparing the two teams and the contrast, and that was trust. It was like the Collingwood players, I felt, had absolute trust in their teammates and what they wanted to achieve. And Carlton just seemed to be second guessing every move that they were making along
[00:06:57] Wayne: the way.
[00:06:57] Wayne: Yeah, the trust that you're talking about is the [00:07:00] one where it's kicked into, you know, your defence. And you just, you see Darcy Moore and others there and you just see the positioning that they've got and you just trust them to win that contest. And sometimes it might be a two on one, but you just know that he's going to get there and get the fist on it.
[00:07:15] Wayne: So then you can get on your bike and you're going, you're going to where you think the next possession is going to go. I don't think Carlton have that same trust. I mean, Weedering at the other end isn't. He's struggling a bit, isn't he? Isn't in the form. We know that he can play, not a similar game to Darcy Moore, but he can play that, you know, really strong contestant.
[00:07:33] Wayne: Yes, that's what I mean. But not as, he's not that dashing player off half back, but certainly, um, in terms of, you know, intercept marks, but he's just not that player at the moment. So they're, it's confidence. I have no doubt think that, you know, if they can somehow, and you get that from the training track.
[00:07:51] Wayne: Um, you get that with how you go about it, the way you prepare and, um, I, I think for that reason, I, and I, and I said this a couple of weeks ago, I don't think the [00:08:00] Blues can play finals this year, unfortunately.
[00:08:02] Ayrton: One, uh, talking point out of the game was involving Jack Ginnivan. It's something that we've spoken about before.
[00:08:07] Ayrton: Last year, of course, the AFL.
[00:08:08] Wayne: That's graceful, the way he's been
[00:08:10] Ayrton: treated. The AFL, uh, I guess, altered its, uh, adjudication last year in terms of how he was being treated because he was dropping his knees, lifting his arm up to. get the tackle to be high. And so he was getting a lot of free kicks. He was getting no free kicks.
[00:08:23] Ayrton: Now it seems he has altered his play. He can't get a free kick. He can't get one
[00:08:27] Wayne: at all. So that's graceful. It really is. No, it's terrible. And for anyone that says that, you know, they're not being biased towards him. I mean, it's there for everyone to see. Even non Collingwood supporters are sitting there saying, no, this, this is now not right.
[00:08:42] Wayne: And I, and I truly believe that and talk about not being right. The commentary. around Nick Dacos as Little Punch to the Stomach was horrendous. I've never seen a more biased... um, amount of commentary around a punch to the gut. If that was Toby Green, [00:09:00] everyone would have been saying, Oh, he's in trouble. Oh, why would he have to do that?
[00:09:03] Wayne: He's the captain of the club. Oh, but, and I get it. A kid in his second year, he's Brownlow favourite, golden haired boy at the moment. And yes, is it, should it be a fine? Yes. And that's what it will be. But why, why straight away give the commentary the way they did for Nick Dagan, which they would not have given.
[00:09:21] Wayne: Imagine even if Jack Kinnivan had done that. I mean, anyone. There's a number of players.
[00:09:26] Ayrton: He got hit. He got a gut punch himself from Jai Caldwell a few weeks ago and Collingwood fans are calling for his head.
[00:09:31] Wayne: Yeah. And if Jordan, if Jordan Degoe did that. That'll be, ah, you know, just unnecessary. It's just so funny how people get put in a gun and get treated differently.
[00:09:40] Wayne: And, and that's from not only the umpires, but the commentators and I, and the, the bias in that commentary was horrendous. That was Channel seven too. Well, it was, well, it was Piss Paul.
[00:09:54] Ayrton: Okay. Uh, I went to Esson Richmond on Saturday night. The Dream time clash. First game I've been to this year, [00:10:00] uh, Essendon, in my opinion, didn.
[00:10:02] Ayrton: Really deserve to win. They weren't the best
[00:10:03] Wayne: team. Just to go back on that before we move on. I'm not suggesting that Nick Dacos gets a week. Yeah. I'm suggesting don't water things down for some and then pump things up for others. That's what I meant.
[00:10:16] Ayrton: I'll take, I'll take that on board. I can see you're very, very firm on that and
[00:10:20] Wayne: you've been, Is it the black eye that's a little
[00:10:23] Ayrton: bit intimidated at the moment.
[00:10:24] Ayrton: Uh, Bombers won by a point. It was a great finish. It had reminded me of other games that I'd either been to or watched on TV as a supporter. Very early, uh, when I was younger, I went to an Easter Sunday game, Essendon Carlton, the Bombers won by a point. Zaharakis, Anzac Dayson wins in Perth under James Heard during the Supplements saga.
[00:10:43] Ayrton: That's as an Essendon. What games stick out in your memory, in your lifetime that you really thought, geez, that was a bloody good win? Is there one in particular? My
[00:10:52] Wayne: absolute favourites, and you just, you're a bomber's man, so you just gave us those two examples. My two favourite games, [00:11:00] I reckon of all time, was when...
[00:11:01] Wayne: Sydney Beat Esen and by a point in a prelim and We'll, and we were going into, we were playing them. We would've been, we were already in the grand final. Yeah. And then there's another one that really stands out, probably one of my favorites. And that was 99. And that's when the Blues got the Bombers by a point as well to go into a grand final of which we were already, I meant bloody North Melbourne games.
[00:11:25] Wayne: You. So, they're the two games that stand out for me. Yeah, okay. They, they, well they were massive because we were meant to, you know, one point separated us playing the Bombers twice in Grand Finals, quite incredible. It was one game in 93 where we came from behind, I reckon we were about 20 points behind Essendon at three quarter time.
[00:11:44] Wayne: And we ended up getting up, uh, by 10, 10 or so points in 93. So that, that stands out as a game coming from behind and, you know, that thrill of being out on the ground, but as a spectator, like you were on the weekend and having that thrill, they [00:12:00] were the two, unfortunately the bombers on the receiving end.
[00:12:03] Ayrton: Speaking of comebacks, did you play in the 69 point comeback game? You missed that one, did you? Oh, if
[00:12:08] Wayne: I wasn't, uh, which, not the final you're talking about. No,
[00:12:10] Ayrton: no, no. No, the bomb, the comeback game. Oh, the comeback.
[00:12:13] Wayne: The greatest comeback of all time. If I was playing, it wouldn't happen. I was injured or suspended, one or the other.
[00:12:19] Wayne: And I was sitting in the coach's box.
[00:12:21] Ayrton: Now, you've already brought up, we've already spoken about the umpires this week and I saw a moment in the Giants game against St. Kilda yesterday where the umpire was saying, Brent, back two metres, Brent, back two metres and the GWS player didn't move. They weren't moving anywhere and then the umpire gave a 50 metre penalty.
[00:12:36] Ayrton: I felt really bad for him because he's Xavier O'Halloran so the umpire didn't know his name. He obviously is hearing Brent two metres so he's going, I don't, I don't need to go anywhere. It did remind me of something else that I saw on the weekend. Channel 7 actually, your former employer, filed on something you had to say last week about, um, was it, uh, firepower.
[00:12:56] Ayrton: Firepower. Yeah, firepower. I was about [00:13:00] Buddy Franklin. I was about Buddy. My apologies. Buddy Franklin. Anyway. Wayne Carey is your name, but W A N E was the spelling right throughout the article. I just thought, well you are waning, you're
[00:13:12] Wayne: fractioning.
[00:13:16] Wayne: Well, I've been trying to change, I've been trying to change my name to one year for a long time. Talking about Buddy Franklin, I think that, and we saw him play a little bit differently on the weekend, kick the three, but we're talking about, uh, trying to finding a way how to lose a game, North Melbourne going over the interchange, but he kicked these three, but I liked the way he got up the ground a little bit more.
[00:13:38] Wayne: And I tend to think, and we wrote an article about this years ago, um, in the age.
[00:13:44] Ayrton: You were just on that. We did get a reader question on this. Yeah. I think I know where you're going. Duck, this is from Luke Harvey. Thoughts on Buddy moving to a wing like Richo. So is this, is this where you're going with this?
[00:13:54] Ayrton: You think it's a
[00:13:55] Wayne: viable option? Well, we spoke, like I said, we wrote an article about it, so that's a, it's a very viable [00:14:00] question and I like it. And I think Buddy would do really well up there because what it does is it doesn't allow people to sit on him, sit on, like, because he doesn't have that turn of speed.
[00:14:08] Wayne: We know that his marking has never been great and it's probably, you know, at it's probably at it's. lowest point given his age and all of that. I'm not having a crack, but moving up onto the wing is that he would, he would be able to float down. That would be something for sure that I would try. And it doesn't mean that he doesn't invariably end up forward just means that he picks and chooses.
[00:14:29] Wayne: I mean, Jeremy Cameron just comes up and. Um, comes up onto the wing whenever he wants and drifts down so surely Buddy can do the
[00:14:37] Ayrton: same. Absolutely. Well, while we're on the topic of our listeners, I guess we've been, we've been asking for your feedback on different shows and we did say we'd incorporate some of it.
[00:14:46] Ayrton: This is, this is just a couple that I've, I've got for you, Wayne. So that was Luke Harvey who asked the, the Buddy question. No relation. Who's Luke Harvey?
[00:14:55] Wayne: To who? Well, Boomer Harvey, Robert Harvey. Oh, come on now. [00:15:00]
[00:15:00] Ayrton: He does, I reckon if he was Boomer Harvey's mate, we wouldn't be writing into you after what you've said about Boomer recently.
[00:15:05] Ayrton: What
[00:15:05] Wayne: did I, what did I say about
[00:15:07] Ayrton: Boomer? Oh, you were talking about him cheating for kicks last week. No, I
[00:15:09] Wayne: didn't say cheating for kicks, I just said he, he's played a very wide game. I'm backtracking.
[00:15:15] Ayrton: I thought this was The Truth Hurts. Anyway, uh, Billy Jacks said, Hope I look half as good as you at the end of my 40s, much less in my 50s.
[00:15:23] Ayrton: This is after your advice, your, uh, advice involving the moisturiser last week. By the way, as a Magellan supporter, I was there when you tore us apart in that night game final. You endear me with a personification of everything a centre half forward should be. Um, mainstream media much poorer without you.
[00:15:38] Ayrton: Thanks for the memories,
[00:15:39] Wayne: Duck. Oh, that's nice. Well, surely they're not all positive.
[00:15:43] Ayrton: No, I've got one here from, um, Luke Lewis, actually, on a similar topic about your, um, your regime that you use. He said, when did Botox and a facelift become using moisturiser?
[00:15:53] Wayne: Well, I did say technology. Who was that that said that?
[00:15:56] Wayne: Luke Lewis. That Luke, good question. No, definitely not a [00:16:00] facelift. I can guarantee you that. You still haven't denied Botox. There may have been a little bit of technology involved. Which I did say last week. I mean years ago that technology wasn't around, now it is. You tiptoed around it though. Yeah, well yeah, well he's right.
[00:16:13] Wayne: So not, not a facelift.
[00:16:15] Ayrton: Now I, I got a few emails as well from various, uh, football people from my past. One from, uh, a guy by the name of Ashley Brown. I think he was from, uh, he'd coached in Millicent originally. He came and coached at La Trobe, which is just out of Devonport where I'm from, then East Devonport where I played footy.
[00:16:30] Ayrton: He was, he was a hard man. He, he was a good footballer too. He said, been loving. Um, the truth. It's just wondering when you're going to reveal and have a chat about, about my footy career. You haven't asked me about my career yet, Wayne. Well,
[00:16:41] Wayne: I didn't think the, uh, list
[00:16:47] Wayne: well, sorry, Ed, you know, you know what, we'll, we will do a special, we'll do a special podcast for your football career, which will run for about a minute. I did say, I
[00:16:55] Ayrton: did write back to Ash that it would be a very short conversation, but just on [00:17:00] using him as an example, he He was the type of bloke when he was in the opposition, you, like, and I was playing against, he would have been like 20s, maybe 30, I was 17, um, just playing senior football and you, and he was the kind of guy you really feared.
[00:17:13] Ayrton: Was there anyone in, I mean, you were a pretty brash player, so maybe, maybe not at AFL level, but anyone you really feared on the footy
[00:17:19] Wayne: field? Um, I remember the first time I was, Yeah, scared to line up on someone and his name was Jed Lawton and he was playing for Central Districts at the time and I was playing for North Adelaide Reserve.
[00:17:32] Wayne: So I was 15, um, he'd had a reputation of being a bit mad. He actually went up and coached, uh, in the Riverina League and was a very successful coach for, I think, for Gahn Mayne, um, won premierships, um, all of that and was intimidating in the country after he left Central Districts. So he didn't quite make SANFL footy, I think he might have played, you know, a little bit.
[00:17:53] Wayne: But him being a man, when I was 15, lining up on him and knowing that he had this crazy, he had this crazy look, [00:18:00] um, shaved head and he, I remember him saying to me, if I go near, if you go near the ball, he said, I'm going to knock your head off. And it didn't stop me going near the ball and I still, I still ran around and got, got a bit of the footy.
[00:18:12] Wayne: But, um, every time I went near it, there was always, there was a little bit of a thought there that, you know, that, that, uh, that threat could come true. Um, thank, thankfully it didn't, but yeah, he was one that I was scared when I've sort of walked first. I didn't, didn't show it, I don't think, but certainly, uh, insider was.
[00:18:30] Wayne: I guess
[00:18:31] Ayrton: that's the thing with country football, isn't it? You probably don't have the same protections that you maybe get it at the top level because you can have some mad men out there. Oh, well,
[00:18:38] Wayne: I, I spoke at a, an event recently in the bush where, you know, we're talking about something similar. And one of the, uh.
[00:18:47] Wayne: One of the guys in the crowd came up and he was an, um, ex umpire in Wagga, in the Wagga League, in the Riverina League, in the Farra League. And he said, well, as an umpire there was only one person I was scared of, and that was your brother. And he said, that's an umpire [00:19:00] saying that , I'm not sure the umpire should feel scared of a player, but he said he, he just said, you know, my brother intimidated a lot of people in that, in that competition, probably a little bit of a bully.
[00:19:09] Wayne: But he was, uh, yeah, he was one of those players that everyone.
[00:19:14] Ayrton: Uh, another one I got was from a mate of mine, actually. Sam, his name is. He's sent through a bit of vision, which I think I showed to you a few years ago, was he was a captain of Bonn University up in Queensland. He's gone as skipper to do the toss of the coin.
[00:19:31] Ayrton: Um, and this is a pretty serious competition and he's, but before the coin has hit the ground, he's He pointed to the end he wanted to kick to and try to, you know, con the umpires in a way, but he reckons, he reckons he was taking it from you, he reckons you used to point, you used to put the arm out before,
[00:19:49] Wayne: before the coin hit the ground.
[00:19:51] Wayne: Look, I tried to do it once, I learned it off Tony Shaw. I reckon Shaw, he... Did that a few times and just, you know, in, in, uh, in trying to muck around. Um, I [00:20:00] think I did do it once and I don't think I got away with it from memory. I do remember that I never called heads. I called, I always said tails never fails.
[00:20:08] Wayne: Yeah. Um, I think I won most of them, but that, that, that moment when you leave that situation, tossing the coin, running back to your team to give one last. You know, speech before you go to your positions is probably the most daunting thing for a captain. And I've spoken to Paul Kelly and Stephen Kernaghan and Michael Voss and these guys about it before, and they all agree.
[00:20:30] Wayne: And some, you know, some said that, you know, that was, they just didn't know what to say or they'd palm it off to someone else at different times. So it was one of those things you had to think about a little bit and some, you know, you didn't have, you know, something to say. So you'd always just go back to what.
[00:20:46] Wayne: You know, the coach had said during the week, I'll reinforce, um, some
[00:20:50] Ayrton: of the things you did at training. Was it a, it was a different message every week? Same themes?
[00:20:54] Wayne: Well, well, you can't be inspirational every week. You try, you think you can be, um, and you shouldn't, surely [00:21:00] by that stage of your preparation, you shouldn't have to be motivated.
[00:21:03] Wayne: That's what, that's when your anxiety is at its highest level. You know, you're, you're absolutely ready to go. That nervous energy that you have from that point to your position to that ball bouncing is a feeling like no other running onto the ground, different feeling again, just that adrenaline you get when the crowd rules or booze or whatever it does, and you come on.
[00:21:24] Wayne: And so that adrenaline is different to that nervous energy as you're walking to your position, the great unknown, how am I going to play? Who's going to pick me up? You know, I want to get a kick. It's just all of those thoughts, some negative, then you flip them to positive, but it's just your thoughts in your mind are just going a million miles an hour about what or how you're going to go on that day.
[00:21:44] Wayne: And then once that ball's bounced, everything changes. Then you, then you're in player mode and those nerves and everything just disappear and you, and you're into the game and hopefully you get an early kick. If you get an early kick, you're on your way.
[00:21:55] Ayrton: I find that really fascinating. Um, just on that topic, did you [00:22:00] have any that you thought, geez, I was.
[00:22:02] Ayrton: That was, geez, that was a good speech, or geez, that was shithouse, and did you, did you think, did you
[00:22:06] Wayne: think, You can tell by the reaction. Was there anyone who never listened to you? It's like, Oh, there would have been, actually, uh, Pikey probably, uh, uh, for a period. Yeah, Pikey mightn't have listened at different times.
[00:22:17] Wayne: Um, he, yeah, he, he did his own thing. Uh, a, there would have been a few, but it's all about reaction. It's a bit like when you're, you know, sitting there with your mates, you know, having a cold one, or, or, uh, you know, out to lunch, or dinner, or whatever it may be, and you crack a... You crack a gag, you know, when you've cracked a good gag and if no one laughs at mine, I just hit them and laugh anyway.
[00:22:38] Wayne: That's my
[00:22:39] Ayrton: go to. You force them. Uh, last week was a big week on the podcast in terms of what you said, uh, about Alistair Clarkson. Uh, you made some. Comments in terms of, uh, his media performance and what you were reading into that about how he was going. Since then he's stepped away from North Melbourne for an indefinite period to focus on his mental health.[00:23:00]
[00:23:00] Ayrton: How do you view what you said now, knowing what you know now about? about Alistair?
[00:23:05] Wayne: Oh, I think that what I was trying to say is I was seeing some cracks. Um, he's always been defensive, which we spoke about last week, but, but those crack the pressure, you could see the pressure building on him. And I, and I don't think that, um, he would have made those comments that he made about Hawthorne, for instance, if he, was if he was in a good state of mind and clearly he hasn't been for some time.
[00:23:30] Wayne: Pretty incredible when, when you think about it, him going through what he's gone through and to, to be able to front up to the media. And I don't know whether you've watched much of what the kangaroos have been doing, but he fronts up for all their, for all their different campaigns, you know, the non gambling campaign and all that.
[00:23:46] Wayne: And he's the face of, you know, those different ads and, um, he fronts up to all the media, um, at the start of the week. You know, he doesn't, doesn't palm it off and he's been doing those questions and having to answer questions about what's going on [00:24:00] and then being beaten by, you know, 20, you know, 15 goals, 10 goals, it's, it's a pretty tough caper.
[00:24:07] Wayne: So we, we all, we all hope that, um, Clarko gets back and he's, he's the best version of himself. Um, and, and this whole situation is, is sorted out for everyone's sake because people are still forgetting. There is. There are other people out there that have, you know, have been disgruntled through all of this, and, and, uh, yes, we care about CLARCO, but there are other people involved that, um, are also hurting.
[00:24:32] Wayne: So, we, we just want a resolution. That's what we want. So then everyone can move forward.
[00:24:37] Ayrton: Well, on CLARCO, it seems like you've just rediscovered, I mean, I'm, I'm obviously very serious about the Alastair situation. You've just rediscovered your Twitter password, because you've, you've had a bit to say recently.
[00:24:49] Ayrton: Um, some of it, you know, quite risque Wayne, but just one, yeah, one of them, uh, was on Alistair Clarkson. Once again, all those in the media that piled on Clarke are now [00:25:00] asking for justice, hashtag weak as piss.
[00:25:03] Wayne: Oh, there's so many hypocrites. I like the hypocrisy in AFL media and media full stop. And you could sit here, maybe we might do a podcast on all those that are in the media that sit there in judgment of players that like a good time on a weekend.
[00:25:20] Wayne: And there's plenty of people in the media that like a good time on a weekend. So, you know, it's, it's so interesting how, you know, they sit there in judgment every week about all the, and they make judgment and people are guilty before proven guilty. And they sit there and do that. And I often find that the people that throw the stones.
[00:25:42] Wayne: Generally have more to hide than the people that sit back and have a more level view. It's almost like it's their cover. They like to throw. Are you going to name names here, or are you, are you, uh, They like to throw people under the bus. Well, I think it's quite obvious for everyone to see those that sit, sit in the, [00:26:00] in the moral higher, higher ground and, and make comments.
[00:26:03] Wayne: I, I just, I think it's, you know, it's, it's poor when, you know, we know that there are plenty of people that, you know, do things in their private lives that I don't want spoken about.
[00:26:17] Ayrton: I think you've probably enjoyed that more than most. A very serious ending to this week's show on The True Thirts. But you stay out of trouble before next week, Wayne.
[00:26:24] Ayrton: I know, um, I
[00:26:27] Wayne: know I'm just looking. I've managed to. What are we now? Five weeks? Six weeks? What, since the headline? And I've got a black eye. I've got a black eye.
[00:26:36] Ayrton: Yeah, yeah, you're definitely taking an interesting look into the week. But, um, I'm sure you'll get through it and I'll see you again soon.