You Make Your Path By Walking: A Transformational Field Guide Through Trauma and Loss - Interview with Suzanne Anderson MA- The Heart of You with Annette Dalloo

What happens when everything is taken away from you in a second? Suzanne Anderson experienced exactly that. She lost her husband to suicide and her life was turned upside down.  You Make Your Path By Walking: A Transformational Field Guide Through Trauma and Loss  is magically crafted. We can all benefit from these Metacapacities she outlines in the book, whether or not you are going through a loss.
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When her beloved husband took his life, and with it her life as she knew it, Suzanne Anderson faced a choice: would she be broken down and defeated, or broken open and transformed? Part memoir, part guidebook, You Make Your Path By Walking accompanies readers on their own journeys through the barren landscape of trauma and grief, offering comfort, guidance, and inspiration to make meaning out of loss. Whether you are going through a personal dark night or struggling with these uncertain and disruptive global times, this book offers a proven pathway to allow the breaking down to be the breaking open into a whole new way of living, loving, and leading. 

Drawing from her years of exploration into the development of human potential and the personal, shattering journey of loss , Suzanne guides you to make your own path through the darkest of times—and to become a light in the world that others can look to in their own times of need.

In this beautifully crafted blend of memoir and guidebook, Suzanne Anderson invites you to walk with her through the brutal landscape of trauma and loss in a way that is profoundly transformational. 

Structured into three distinct parts, Part One sets the stage and walks us through the shocking event of her husband’s suicide and the dismantling of her life. Using compelling personal stories throughout, Part Two explores how to embody each of the eight critical capacities of resilience, and Part Three provides some of the inner tools, rituals and broader perspectives needed. 

You Make Your Path By Walking by Suzanne Anderson  published by She Writes Press. The book is currently available on Amazon.
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Transcript

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Annette Dalloo
Hello, my name is Annette Dalloo and you are listening to the Heart of You.

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Annette Dalloo
Welcome back. So today we are interviewing Susanne Andersen. Now Susanna is the founder of the Ministerial Woman. She is a psychologist, author, coach, leadership consultant and transformational teacher. Her pioneering work in guiding others to awaken their full feminine and masculine strengths combines insights and practices from ancient wisdom, depth psychology, and modern neuroscience. She facilitates global online programs, workshops and retreats, and is the coauthor of the triple award winning book The Way of the Mysterious Woman Upgrading How to Live, Love and Lead.

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Annette Dalloo
Her new book that I'm actually reading currently, which is phenomenal, by the way, is called You Make Your Path By Walking a Transformational Field Guide through Trauma and Loss. It describes how her shattering breaking apart was also a profound breaking through a deeper experience of her true nature. We are here to talk about Suzanne's experience and talk about this absolutely wonderful book that she has written.

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Annette Dalloo
And as I said, I am about halfway through this book and I literally cannot put it down. Suzanne, thank you so much for being here. Well, thank you, Ananth, for for inviting me into the conversation. How I like to start these episodes is usually just to get a little bit of a background on you. And as I've been reading the book, your book sort of starts off with the impression that your spiritual nature has already been there for a while.

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Annette Dalloo
When you start into the book. What I'm curious about is sort of how you got there. So I guess we would be talking a little bit about what happened before. So how you first discovered your connection to the universe, how you first tapped into your intuition and what your spiritual journey has been like? Well, it's actually a good place to start because I would say that's the the probably common thread through my life has been my connection to the the aquifer of my being, we might say.

00;02;32;15 - 00;03;05;10
Susanne Andersen
So that underground River and I and I actually woke up to that really quite young. And what I mean by that is I was probably 13, 14 initially, and I had the experience. I had multiple experiences of feeling like I was my my ego would disappear and I would become one with nature in particular. We had a we lived on the ocean, in a town and on the east coast of Canada, and I had a beautiful cedar tree that hung out over the ocean.

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Susanne Andersen
And I would go up in that tree and it would be moving in the wind, and I would see the big, the long beach when the tide had gone out and the seagulls flying. And I had this amazing experience of just feeling so one with everything. But it was unsettling at the same time because I had no context for this.

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Susanne Andersen
I grew up in a in a family where we had no religious approach at all. And so I wasn't rebelling against anything, but I also didn't have any any context. This was sort of my teen years and feeling sort of like these two parts of me, one part of me that was in high school doing very well. And athletes, you know, very much the mainstream.

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Susanne Andersen
And then this other part of me that was very private and kind of feeling maybe, am I crazy? Am I going crazy? Is this normal to other people, you know, experiences and something? I didn't want to talk about it at that time. And then when I was 17. So my last year of high school, our neighbor just outside and it was probably his intuition, was guided to do this, but he gave me this little book called On Having No Head by Douglas Harding.

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Susanne Andersen
I don't know if you know Douglas Harding, I don't know. No, he was really one of the early when I would say non-dual teacher. So Alan Watts was one of those earlier teachers. And Douglas was in England, and this little book was really I read this book, and it was the first time I actually read my experience and where he was talking about the and he has his this little book is a beauty.

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Susanne Andersen
He's no longer alive, but he was an essential part of my own journey because I read that and I thought, there's only one person in the world that thinks like this. I mean, I had no idea there was a I didn't know about Buddhism or Zen or anything. And so I set my sights on I've got to go and meet this person.

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Susanne Andersen
And I ended up doing that. And actually being the the next year or I had to go, I did one year of university and then I went had a profound experience there with him in his community. So I'd say that was the beginning of my journey. And it was a it was an amazing blessing. And I was no question I was guided there.

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Susanne Andersen
And from that, there have been many other stops along the way. But my own sense of my, let's say, spiritual waking up has been the through line in my life without question. Yeah. And being guided to different communities or spiritual teachers or places on the planet that I needed to be to be on that journey. Yeah, that's really incredible that it started so young for you because I gives you sort of a, a large breath of time to be able to cultivate and develop.

00;05;46;24 - 00;06;07;11
Susanne Andersen
And that's exactly what you've done, right? I was many years inside the different spiritual contexts, or let's say mystery schools, and I went for training or learning and awakening. But then there was the very big a wake up call. I call it the wake up call from the light, which was in Bali, which I write about in the book a little bit.

00;06;07;14 - 00;06;39;28
Susanne Andersen
And that was in my I was in my 30 years, I guess it would be a 30s. And my sister lived in Indonesia, and I gone there to visit her, and we went to Bali. We were fasting and doing yoga and, you know, got ourselves into quite wonderful states. And then I just had this profound experience of opening beyond my, my single self into to a state of bliss with, of with what I felt to be a feminine essence.

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Susanne Andersen
And later came to consider that archetype, or the energy I was infused with as a kind of canyon, the goddess of compassion, energy, and my my small self just disappeared completely for for several days. And I was just held inside this absolutely exquisite love field. And some time during that experience, the question came in to this field of awareness.

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Susanne Andersen
Will you help to midwife the Divine Feminine on earth? I, I had no mind to say yes or no to that. I just knew every cell of my body was. That's why I'm here. Of course. Yes. It's so later, when my little single self started consolidating, I came out of this state. I was like, what have I just signed up for?

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Susanne Andersen
Because I was inside a masculine, guru centric spiritual tradition. I was a, a very, high powered, I will say, management consultant and living based in Paris and working in this mostly male domain. And I mean, what did it mean, what I just signed up for. But it was so obvious to me that this was part of my, my journey, that what I incarnated to, to be a part of and that led me then into the work that I did that you were describing in the bio there when you were working in sort of the corporate space.

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Annette Dalloo
Meanwhile, you're exploring these other spiritual sides of yourself. Did you ever feel at odds with where you were with the corporate space and then the spiritual space? Did it feel congruent together, or did they feel sort of separate? Well, it felt very congruent until it didn't, you know. So, I felt like an undercover agent and and I loved it because I actually feel that is my role.

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Annette Dalloo
Yeah, I feel I am a bridge person. I am here, and even when I was younger, it was pretty clear to me it was, you know, just to be in a state of bliss, feel one's oneness with all wasn't enough. Like, how is that changing the world? How does that changing others? How is that a contribution? In fact, early in my spiritual journey, I specifically went to live in a community that was focused around juvenile delinquents.

00;08;59;15 - 00;09;33;24
Annette Dalloo
So it was a spiritual community. But this was in southern Ontario in Canada, called Twin Valleys, actually. And and I thought, I want to make sure that my spiritual this way of being translates into how I show up in the world. And this was a really difficult population. And it was an incredible, experience. So for me, later, when I ended up becoming a consultant and I was in that world, I brought a lot of my understanding, but translated it in some of the early experiential learning things that we we did with executives.

00;09;33;26 - 00;09;59;16
Annette Dalloo
But I was actually having them do experiences, and my presence and my ability to translate. So I had to I had to learn what I would call the masculine skills of the organizations or understand leadership in this case. But I was bringing them to understand their heart, you know, to start to understand their body messages, to kind of wake up in a way that was, you know, relevant for their corporate experience.

00;09;59;16 - 00;10;24;18
Annette Dalloo
So I actually loved it. But then at a certain point after this awakening in Bali where I just knew this is done. Yeah. And I think that that happens for most of us, right. Where you get to a point where it's like, okay, now I need to embody all of these skills that I've learned, all of these things that I've done and put it all into one grand work, which is exactly what you've done with this book.

00;10;24;20 - 00;11;00;04
Annette Dalloo
It is so beautifully written in so many different ways, because not only do you weave like a tapestry the poetry, the storytelling, the tools, your experience, you really take the reader with you on your journey. It's palpable. You can feel what you're going through in terms of the transition, in terms of the tools that you're saying, okay, hey, this is how I went through this particular small portion, even though it was something that was so big that you were going through, you're breaking it down into little bite sized pieces.

00;11;00;04 - 00;11;23;19
Annette Dalloo
And it sounds to me as if your experience in the corporate space, all of this, sort of prepared you exactly for this moment of writing this book. Well, yes, let's say it did. But but there's a big gap there. We've got to we got to account for sure when I transitioned from being a consultant. So the consulting was was great.

00;11;23;21 - 00;11;44;15
Annette Dalloo
And as I say, there was a time when not when I needed to respond to what it meant to midwife the divine feminine on earth. So I started a private practice in Paris, and I was coaching there for for a year. And then my first husband and I moved to the United States, and he he was having a joint venture with an American company.

00;11;44;18 - 00;12;05;15
Annette Dalloo
And I because I didn't have a I'm Canadian, I didn't have a visa to work. But I also knew at that time that I was only like one coaching session ahead of my clients. I there was something I needed to understand about women and development, like what is really happening here. This isn't just about in this became clear pretty early.

00;12;05;15 - 00;12;26;25
Annette Dalloo
It's not just about teaching new behavioral skills, you know? Okay, so here are some new ways of being that will help you that something else was trying to happen with women. So that was ten years of research and that work was profound. And I put those programs and went back to graduate school, first of all, and did the research on women and development and clinical psychology.

00;12;26;25 - 00;12;50;23
Annette Dalloo
But then I started running my programs through a university so that this consideration of women and the awakening of this next level of leadership wouldn't get put over in, in the edit somewhere. It was that work. I would say that deeply prepared me as much as anything could for the trauma that hit right when the first book was getting ready to come out.

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Annette Dalloo
So after ten years of research, we'd figured some things out. We knew what was happening for women. And I would say it like this. I'd say Einstein as that wonderful quote. We all know you can't solve the problems of today with the consciousness that created them yesterday. Yeah. You actually have to we actually have to expand our consciousness and then our leadership capacity comes from that.

00;13;15;28 - 00;13;34;11
Annette Dalloo
So that's an evolutionary moment we're talking about. And what I began to see in the women I was working with was that we as, as women, we're really on one of these evolutionary edges. I call it symptoms of fright, the edge of evolution, which is very difficult, where women were kind of being pushed up against the limits. And men, by the way.

00;13;34;11 - 00;13;59;25
Annette Dalloo
But my research was with women, the limits of of their way of being that was mostly formed in the masculine model of consciousness that had been over the kind of the overriding paradigm for 5000 years in Western culture. We had figured out how to start to unlock this next level of consciousness by doing the deep work around very specific feminine and masculine archetypes.

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Annette Dalloo
Now, at the end of that, we knew we had we figured some things out because we were starting to see these profound ways of being in the world. So we wrote a book, my coauthor and I, Doctor Susan Cannon, and we were getting ready to bring it out in the world at the end of 2012 and in early 2013, which is where this book comes in.

00;14;20;11 - 00;14;46;02
Annette Dalloo
I came home to find my husband dead and dead by suicide. So that was an enormous shift from where I thought I was going and what I was, you know, this what I call this the dark wake up call, the shift force that said, you will you will come down now into the dark just as much as you went into the bliss and light in Bali.

00;14;46;04 - 00;15;16;09
Annette Dalloo
And you will learn to see in the dark that that was the invitation. So this book was the book you're referencing was many years later. So when you were building up to how you pulled all of these tools together, you you seem to have gotten this sort of really symbiotic connection to, as you were saying, like modern neuroscience, psychology, spirituality, all of these things.

00;15;16;09 - 00;15;45;03
Annette Dalloo
And that's kind of what I was referring to earlier, which is like your ability to weave all of those together and all of that that came before to put this book together is is nothing short of, I would say, miraculous because there are a lot of people out there right now in this moment who will really focus on, let's say, the psychology of it, or they'll they'll focus on the science of it, or they'll focus on the spirituality of it.

00;15;45;08 - 00;16;08;21
Annette Dalloo
But it is rare at this time for all of those things to come together at once, let alone at once in one book. Did you know that this was all coming together the way that it did while you were going through this, you know, ten year process even longer? I would say probably before that even did you know, all of these pieces were coming together so it would lead you to this?

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Annette Dalloo
I had been figuring a lot out in the ten years of that, of the research was working with hundreds of women, and I would call that very trial and error. We were literally trial and error figuring things out. And this was not just a spiritual journey. This was the embodiment and the embodiment coming down in the end, let's say, being more present here on earth, here in this body, awake.

00;16;34;29 - 00;17;12;04
Annette Dalloo
And the work that we do with women has to do with with developmental trauma. So it's really going back and working with these very young parts that got split off into the shadows for good reason, because we learn how to get love, safety and belonging by by doing that. Like if you know you're in your family, if it was not a good thing to you, didn't get the love you were looking for when you expressed your strong opinion, it's pretty quickly that goes off into the into the shadows and you wisely what we call the adoptive child learn how to be, you know, accommodating all the time, right?

00;17;12;05 - 00;17;28;17
Annette Dalloo
Which works fine for a period of time. But then, of course, as you if you're on a developmental pathway and you want to keep awakening, you want your voice, you want your agency, you want to be able to do things. So that's the work that was already doing was this kind of what I would call the that sort of trauma work.

00;17;28;23 - 00;17;49;02
Annette Dalloo
And that means there's a neuroscience to that. There's a psychology to that. There's an embodiment to that. There are very specific practices involved in building that capacity that the first book, really The Way of the mystery, a woman goes into it. So I could say, I knew this and I certainly knew and I was teaching and I did embodied an awful lot of it, or I couldn't have really been a transformational teacher in that space.

00;17;49;05 - 00;18;20;09
Annette Dalloo
But when this occurred, this and this tragic and very sudden event occurred, and you had I had the operating system, I had basically. Right, right. That I had what I had. And this was going to be my journey now and that what was super important to me. And I'd say to anyone who's listening to this who may be going through a loss and it does not have to be as, you know, as dramatic, let's say, because I really lost I lost everything within six months.

00;18;20;12 - 00;18;38;23
Annette Dalloo
All the ways my outer identity was, was shaped. But it could be the loss of a phase of life. You know, it could be the law where you're your youth, you're not quite as young, or it could be the loss of your child goes off to college, or you have children for the first time or, you know, or a relationship ends or whatever.

00;18;38;23 - 00;19;19;27
Annette Dalloo
These losses are. But one of the critical really pieces for us is, and this is where the title of the book comes from, you make your path by walking is to to come here now, like to be able to really be where you are and be with what has happened or is happening and what I'm trying to say is this was my daily practice to to be not on this path through the incredible devastation of my life, to get somewhere like, you know, I'm going to be all it's all going to be better when I get through this.

00;19;19;29 - 00;19;40;28
Annette Dalloo
But rather being right here, right now, this is the moment and I do not get it back. This is the day I will not get this back. And how much can I really be here with this and what I experienced and I, and I believe is that if we're able to do that, it very much determines the path that unfolds.

00;19;41;00 - 00;20;05;19
Annette Dalloo
Yeah. Now, when you were going through this trauma and I'm not going to sort of go into the whole story because your, your book just says it beautifully about everything that unfolded and what you were going through. Did you immediately pick up those tools that you had, that you had been studying, that you had been using in developing all these years?

00;20;05;19 - 00;20;27;19
Annette Dalloo
Did you immediately pick up those tools? Because sometimes I find that like when I go through trauma personally, the, you know, I have all these tools at my disposal that I've learned over the years. But sometimes when you go through that initial trauma, you're just the first thing is not to grab the tools. It is to literally be in that grief and being that sadness and not know what to do.

00;20;27;24 - 00;20;48;27
Annette Dalloo
How were you able to grab onto those tools? Were there already sort of a habit for you and how did that work? Right. Well, I think you're right. Also about just like the initial trauma, the prefrontal cortex just snaps off trying to get us protect us in a certain sense. Yeah. So we can do fights like we can go, we can run, we can deal with the situation.

00;20;48;27 - 00;21;16;03
Annette Dalloo
So this, that, that's the case. So you don't I certainly wasn't thinking, oh, I'm going to be, you know, needing these things or I'll pull up my manuals or I'll pull out the manuscript book. I just, you know, written books, right? Absolutely not. But I would say, what is true is that I had already a lot of practices in place in my life that are my container.

00;21;16;05 - 00;21;38;15
Annette Dalloo
And I think the container that we have and we create for ourselves is everything. Yeah. Words. What are. And so I have very specific and had morning practices and I always do that are a writing practice and a meditation practice and a movement exercise practice and a and an altar practice. So I already had that. And I miss it when I don't do it.

00;21;38;15 - 00;22;06;23
Annette Dalloo
So I would say that was something that was just baked in. I think I also had a I know I had a, an understanding of the potency of the field that I would be in. So the, the resonant field, we could say my own limbic system, my own system to resonate with others that were holding some of those more conscious pieces when I was in my descent.

00;22;06;25 - 00;22;29;29
Annette Dalloo
And so they I had amazing friends and family that came around me from the very beginning, and it meant I had to receive. I had to, because I was more used to being the one, the teacher, the one extending, you know, that was sort of my identity. So it was it was a shift for me to be the one needing to receive.

00;22;29;29 - 00;22;55;20
Annette Dalloo
But I knew I needed to receive and let in the the wisdom and the love my community around me. So that was super helpful. You know, I have one friend I remember. I mean, I would forget to to eat initially and she would sit with me and every now and again like a little baby bird, you know, she'd she have a little plate of food and we'd be talking about things and she'd just put a little forkful of food in my mouth and, you know.

00;22;55;22 - 00;23;36;04
Annette Dalloo
Yeah, there were a wonderful people around me in the early days when you do need to, with this kind of a trauma, fall apart, but let yourself be broken open. And she's saying, yeah. And then being able to have just one good friend, one good loving surround is so powerful. Absolutely. And because of those friends and the reminders that you have of ritual and the spirituality of it in that you one of the first things that you did was try to help him cross over.

00;23;36;06 - 00;23;58;14
Annette Dalloo
I thought that was so beautiful that that was almost a a first instinct that happens. It's beautiful to be able to know from that standpoint that. Oh okay. Yes, his soul is here and I need to make sure that he is. He's going to be okay, that he's going to cross over right now. I can understand that.

00;23;58;14 - 00;24;31;17
Annette Dalloo
That probably wasn't just the complete logical thought in your brain. It was probably just an instinct. But it's something that is it's so part of the grieving process is to know that your loved one is okay. And what was very, I would say, synchronous and I believe had to do with my guides and preparing me for what was going to happen, was that several months before David died, I was obsessed with reading about the afterlife and the transition actually from this world to the other.

00;24;31;20 - 00;24;51;27
Annette Dalloo
So I had read, you know, The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying and the The Journey of Souls and the Destiny of souls, and a number of these books that I write about from different perspectives, what it is to actually transition from this world into other dimensions. And I would at night, I'd be sharing with David, you know, this is incredible.

00;24;51;27 - 00;25;21;07
Annette Dalloo
Like the Tibetan there is they say this and it's so close to what this is said over here in this book. And, you know, just comparing and contrasting and understanding. And he would always say, oh, you know, you should get a fiction. This is like sort of intense to be reading, isn't it? But actually, I believe I was being prepared and I was preparing for, for this transition, although I didn't imagine it.

00;25;21;07 - 00;25;48;14
Annette Dalloo
I mean, I didn't certainly expect it that he would take his life and do it at that moment, right before a family wedding and my book about to launch and everything else. But when he died, because I had done that, and I had this in me, and because I also had been a ritual as a very deep part of the work I do, and that I teach women how to use that language because it speaks to left and right hemispheres of the brain, to the conscious and the unconscious.

00;25;48;16 - 00;26;09;28
Annette Dalloo
It is, of course, unfortunately, a language that we've mostly forgotten how to speak in Western culture, although certainly indigenous cultures have not forgotten that. I knew that ritual was was really important for much, not just for David, but also for me, for those of us left. So I this was before I actually knew that he had taken his own life.

00;26;10;03 - 00;26;30;09
Annette Dalloo
I think that was interesting because my friends had known that they hadn't told me, and I'm actually glad they didn't tell me before I did this, because I don't know. That was such a rude awakening to imagine that he he had had this terrible tinnitus, a ringing in the ears. It had been going on for about three months and was absolutely, literally driving him crazy.

00;26;30;13 - 00;26;49;09
Annette Dalloo
And he wasn't sleeping and he couldn't get in these high states spiritually. And as meditation is to get into the figure life problems out. And so I assumed he'd had, a brain tumor or, you know, I made up the story. That's what I thought. It happened to me. He had died of a an aneurysm or something like that.

00;26;49;13 - 00;27;15;21
Annette Dalloo
So I was able to be really with. And then then another synchronous thing that I write about all of this in the book, but one of the friends that helped me and in fact, helped me work when I found David the night we were looking for him, she had had a friend over. She herself is a shamanic practitioner and her friend was over, who is a shamanic practitioner who happens specifically to work with helping people cross over the end phases of their lives.

00;27;15;28 - 00;27;47;28
Annette Dalloo
And she had her, you could say, spiritual bundle with her in her car. Yeah. And she got it. And so she actually led this ritual. I'd never met her before. It was a very powerful experience to really see him leave. I mean, I could actually see him moving, and I saw him turn when I, when we kind of gathered the energy and look and look back and sort of acknowledge the connection, but then turn and keep walking.

00;27;48;03 - 00;28;22;08
Annette Dalloo
And when I spoke to her afterwards and I was, you know, a blessing him on his journey and all the things that I knew to do to guide his on his soul. But when I spoke with her afterwards, she said, and all the years of the work that she'd done had been rare to see a soul so clearly moving in the direction of the next level, like there's often the hovering and the staying behind and the resistance and the cannot finding the light like in some way, he knew what to do.

00;28;22;08 - 00;28;43;13
Annette Dalloo
And he was going, yeah. And that was, you know, that moment before I knew that he had taken his life. It was sort of it was comforting I think. Yeah. To to see he he knows what he's doing and he's doing it. And later I had to wrestle with, you know, that experience of him choosing to leave and then just getting out of Dodge.

00;28;43;14 - 00;29;00;27
Annette Dalloo
Right. But in that moment, it was very powerful for me and and I and I hope and I hope it helped release him on his journey. And the other women I had several other women with me holding this field. Have you spoken to him since he crossed over? Have you been able to speak with him through a medium or anything?

00;29;01;01 - 00;29;22;12
Annette Dalloo
I have and you'll. And later in the book you'll read more about that. Oh, perfect. Oh, I can't wait. I went to see many different people I knew to wait at least three months. Yeah. From the things that I read about, you know, the time it took for it takes for souls to just be ready to engage. Yeah, absolutely.

00;29;22;15 - 00;29;44;22
Annette Dalloo
And I was very disappointed initially with different people I talked to, and I didn't really feel that either. They told me he wasn't ready, which was very disappointing, or I just didn't resonate with what they said. And I was waiting every night for a dream, you know, praying for dreams, inviting them to come to me. And then that the first opening was actually a dream.

00;29;44;22 - 00;30;10;18
Annette Dalloo
So he did. I do absolutely feel I was in Italy for sure. And in my experience, I felt his his communication and remorse and it was very, very important for me and deeply healing. And I write about that experience in the book. And then not long after, I did speak to someone who I did feel David was able to speak to me through.

00;30;10;18 - 00;30;32;00
Annette Dalloo
And and I spoke with her numerous times, actually. And I think initially it was very important to understand, you know, because one of the things in a, in a suicide that you're, you're left with now, he did leave me a note, which was a little bit helpful for sure, compared to, to some suicides where there's just no understanding of anything.

00;30;32;00 - 00;31;00;02
Annette Dalloo
Right. And I knew that he was just dumb. You know, that he just didn't have the energy to, to be with what was about to come tumbling down in his world, his, the business that he had built. Yeah. But I think the communication with him helped me understand a little bit more about that. And, also helped me in the real world in terms of things I needed to think about or, you know, pay attention to, you know, that that was very, very powerful.

00;31;00;04 - 00;31;22;11
Annette Dalloo
And I've actually felt him very present in this phase of the book launch. It's interesting because when I, I certainly did not imagine I'd be writing a book when all of this happened, I was just trying to live the way of the mysterious woman and get my first book published. Course, you know, that was. And just see if I could really live this.

00;31;22;13 - 00;31;40;15
Annette Dalloo
I mean, I was 100% committed to that as I write about in the book. So I wasn't going to get ahead of myself and write something that I wasn't living. But eventually when I when I needed to come back to myself, I came back to just do my own writing, to write myself back together. Yeah. Four years, five years after he died and then decide there was a book in it.

00;31;40;21 - 00;32;11;14
Annette Dalloo
So here it is now, coming out, and I can see that it was a it is a really important part of my own initiation. And I can feel David sort of here in this space. Yeah. Do you feel that anything sort of changed in your process of the way of the mysterious woman, between the time that you wrote that book and then now writing this book, you make your path by walking.

00;32;11;16 - 00;32;39;12
Annette Dalloo
Has anything shifted based on this experience of trauma that you had? Did you change the way that you would approach any of the eight ways has in the in the Mysterious Woman? You say that there are eight ways, right? So did any of those shift and change after you went through the trauma? The here's what was interesting was that when I finally came around to realizing I needed to write, and I wrote this one way and did this, writing it for a week at a time over a couple of years.

00;32;39;19 - 00;32;58;12
Annette Dalloo
Then I showed the writing to my the editor of the first book, and she said, this, this, this is this is an offering for others. You've got to do something with this. You've got to write this as a book. And so I started to pull that together. Okay. What would that look like? I could feel that was correct for me to do.

00;32;58;14 - 00;33;25;22
Annette Dalloo
And obviously I'd been living the the commitment I'd made was to walk the way of the mysterious woman, which is was the work I've done. And this is about having these five feminine and masculine archetypal energies running in myself. So that's the mother, the hero, the father, the maiden and the crone. Those are the five primary archetypal energies feminine amalgam that that I was living.

00;33;25;22 - 00;33;47;01
Annette Dalloo
But when I put it, it seemed more complex than that. And I thought, this is it's not just that I had the this I knew in this case I needed the hero energy of agency and penetration or in this moment, I needed the the mother self-compassion or whatever. And I went back to my first book and the second of the last chapter in the book we had identified eight what we called meta capacity.

00;33;47;01 - 00;34;12;01
Annette Dalloo
So basically these were the ways of being that were starting to arise. And women, this goes back to what I started with in our conversation, these new ways of being that are aligned with the complexity of these times, you could say the evolutionary edge, these ways of being. You know, just to give you an example of them, multidimensional knowing, embracing paradox, authentic presence, energy stewardship.

00;34;12;08 - 00;34;35;03
Annette Dalloo
There are eight of these altogether. I won't go into them all. But then I realized that is what I that's what I did. I actually lived these capacities. In the first book, we actually say we are only just starting to see these arise. Please let us know what you are discovering, what you're finding out there. You women on the edge of evolution.

00;34;35;10 - 00;35;04;03
Annette Dalloo
And I realized that's what I'd been doing, that I was actually living the meta capacities so that then I had that whole middle part of this. The second book is using a personal story to describe that meta capacity. What does it actually mean to use multidimensional knowing? For example, applying in a sense, what we just started to see as the map makers in the first book, actually showing how I lived them in the second book.

00;35;04;06 - 00;35;26;11
Annette Dalloo
So it's an expansion essentially. Absolutely, 100%. It is the lived embodiment, and this is something that's really different as well. To respond to that question for me now, which is in the first book, we have a lot of case study. So, so that women can see what does this actually mean to embody the healthy mother? What does that look like?

00;35;26;11 - 00;35;50;21
Annette Dalloo
What does that look like? To have the capacity to embody the healthy hero and have the boundaries and have it clear goals and move toward them? And what's the shadow work you have to do there? What do you need to do? So I think there's a way in which I knew a lot then, but now it was really for me, living very personally, this story as my story.

00;35;50;21 - 00;36;10;14
Annette Dalloo
So I have not, as a teacher in general, told my own stories. And during these ten years, you know, the only in the first book, I only just referenced in the acknowledgments that my husband had died. Because that first book wasn't about that. It was already written. Right. And it wasn't. It was with my coauthor. It wasn't the thing to do.

00;36;10;19 - 00;36;30;01
Annette Dalloo
So there's something very different for me and very vulnerable to bring my own personal story in as a teaching. And, and that feels really different. That's a new ground for me. And I think a lot of people get this book and then go back and get the first book, because in many ways, the first book is the is the recipe.

00;36;30;02 - 00;37;04;20
Annette Dalloo
You know, these are the practices you need to be doing. These are the ways you get to these the next level capacities, right, that you need to motivate. I know you're saying that, you know, typically in this space, sharing your own stories as a teacher is not something that has been done in the past, but I feel that moving forward, that is exactly what needs to be done, because I find that the ways that I connect with people the most is when I'm sharing my deepest, darkest shadow, that I don't want people to see, that I've been hiding for ages.

00;37;04;20 - 00;37;23;05
Annette Dalloo
Right. So it's like those things that you feel are your Achilles heel. Let's say those are the things that people are going to connect to, and it's going to help them tenfold from what it could if you were just saying, well, this is how you do this or that is how you do that, like that. People can't connect to that.

00;37;23;10 - 00;37;41;09
Annette Dalloo
They want to connect to your story, why you're doing the things you're doing, how you came right to where you are now, and where they can connect with you in your story. Yeah, I think that's absolute right. I think there's and I do think it was a different day when I, when I was starting the work that I was doing.

00;37;41;12 - 00;38;17;01
Annette Dalloo
I yeah, I was very mindful about where my story and I still am, where my stories serve the client or the student. You know, it's not just about me telling my stories. So I can have fun telling my story. Sure. Where? Because I do see a lot of that, too, which I find kind of not so interesting, but at the same time, you know, for me, one of the things that's so different about this and this is only been out for a couple of weeks, so I'm on the, you know, the leading edge of this is that people will feel I do feel when you read someone's intimate memoir that they know you, that

00;38;17;01 - 00;38;37;06
Annette Dalloo
they like, you've just opened your kimono, you know, and you've said, come in here to my story, and may it be helpful for you because you can see how I did this. And this is why this is not just a memoir. And I think it's there are many books that are just memoirs. And that's and they're beautiful. This is a memoir guidebook, as I call it.

00;38;37;06 - 00;38;56;24
Annette Dalloo
Yes. Because I'm also pointing you toward these medical passages, like what it would be to really the possibility, I guess we could say that during these disruptive times in our lives and we there are many, many of these happening for all of us because I feel this is the evolution. Arie wake up. I mean this is what this is how we grow.

00;38;56;29 - 00;39;26;16
Annette Dalloo
But if you can live those in a way to harvest or a, let's say a line with the transformational potentiality, it is so different than just the thing you have to survive, to hope, to get back to something you were doing before. But, you know, really allowing the the mystery of your becoming to be where you are able to, to sort of hook your beyond belay or to use a climbing metaphor.

00;39;26;16 - 00;39;52;08
Annette Dalloo
Yeah. To to something that you do not know. You know, in my case, I, as I mentioned, had lost everything in the outer world. Sometimes I use the the example of the Tibetan sand mandala. So have you ever seen those done. Oh yes. Yes. Yeah. Amazing ritual process. And they create first of all on a on a paper when a what this elaborate mandala is.

00;39;52;10 - 00;40;15;05
Annette Dalloo
And then there's chanting and it goes on all day and night and for, for quite a period of time. They have these tiny little they're called choppers but they're little like funnels that grains of sand go through and they tap them. And these little colored sand, you know, over multiple hours, creates this amazing pattern that you see that's just absolutely exquisite.

00;40;15;07 - 00;41;00;22
Annette Dalloo
But at the end of this whole ritual, they they take a broom and they just sweep it all away, and it's like it's just gone. And and that because I have been through the, one of those ritual ceremonies and it's an amazing process and it's really introducing you in a cellular way to impermanence. It's like there's the beauty that you create in that moment and you're very fastidiously, you know, carefully creating, but then you release it because it's was just then and that really, for me, was so important all from the very beginning, like, your past is gone, that life you're not putting back together again, this will not be happening.

00;41;00;24 - 00;41;35;29
Annette Dalloo
This is gone. And so that ability to really be here now for oneself and for the moment unfolding was critical for me, and I think is actually for anyone going through these times. Yeah, it's it's interesting that this is what you're talking about at this moment, only because I do a weekly channeled message on this podcast. And as you're recording this today, I just recorded this week's channeled message, which would be airing in July.

00;41;35;29 - 00;41;59;20
Annette Dalloo
And this episode is airing a little bit later. But the channeled message was about exactly that. It was about, how you identify yourself and how you define yourself based on the things you like, the hobbies you have, the all of these material things, all the things that you have and not that any of it's bad, but just that we hold on to them so tightly.

00;41;59;20 - 00;42;21;05
Annette Dalloo
So if you used to like something before, let's say it was a particular type of movie or let's say it's a particular type of artwork, and you used to really like that maybe 20 years ago, but now it's just living in your space and it's always been there, but you don't actually notice it anymore. You don't actually even like it anymore, but it's just there because it's always been there.

00;42;21;08 - 00;42;44;11
Annette Dalloo
It's like being able to decide in every single moment and every single day, what is it that I truly want, and what is it that I truly love today? You know, and being able to open that space for something new to come in to allow that flow of of events, that flow of things to come through you and being able to let them go as they do.

00;42;44;14 - 00;43;13;05
Annette Dalloo
So that's exactly what you're talking about with the mandalas. It's like, appreciate it for the moment that you have that particular moment, whatever it is. But then let it wash through you. Let it let it move past. Yeah. Being something that's beautiful. And I think sometimes when if you're going through a difficult time in your life, the tendency can be either to fixate on what was before, you know, that sort of trying to hold on to what was.

00;43;13;08 - 00;43;35;08
Annette Dalloo
Or there's also the the sense of, I've got to figure this out, out ahead. Like, right, I've got I okay, I know this isn't working anymore, but I can't let go of that unless I can see what this is out ahead of me. I understand it, it's a kind of a I understand the, the human aspect of that.

00;43;35;08 - 00;43;56;16
Annette Dalloo
But what does that in fact required here? And it does take a leap of faith. Is that like like the trapeze artist, you know, you let go of one trapeze, you can't grab hold of the next one until you're in. Then in between. And this is therefore growing the capacity to be with the mystery, which is where the term mysterium actually comes from.

00;43;56;19 - 00;44;20;15
Annette Dalloo
One part of it is, is that the ability to be with the mystery to to not know. But in our sort of rational, scientific world view, we often think are safety is and knowing. And we, we, we reduce ourselves and our potentiality them because actually what's trying to unfold is often so much larger than the self that the current consciousness can even picture.

00;44;20;15 - 00;44;57;23
Annette Dalloo
Right? Just when we're little, you know, you can't imagine ourselves, you know, further down the road as a, as a child, all the things that we'll have when we're older. And it's unfortunately as adults we often think, oh, we're all grown up and we don't need to keep growing, but in fact, we do. And that is the developmental, I'd say imperative right now is that humans are willing to turn on the developmental tab, because we have to grow more capacity to, in the ways that I've described, to meet the complexity and the difficulties of these times that we're in.

00;44;57;23 - 00;45;22;28
Annette Dalloo
Yeah. And we don't do that by staying in the same comfortable zone that we've always been in. People in my programs have created little t shirts and other paraphernalia to represent my my basic mantra in this work, which is welcome discomfort. Yeah. No really. Because you know, often there's this sense of that means I'm going in the wrong direction.

00;45;22;28 - 00;45;56;15
Annette Dalloo
I shouldn't be uncomfortable. But no, you actually should be uncomfortable that when you are in a growth phase and we're not always there. But that's how you know, the next level is trying to get your attention. This next level of your becoming or phase of your becoming is trying just giving you a little wake up call. Absolutely. And unfortunately, it's something that in-between space that you're talking about, and I say this to to my clients as well, is that when you're in that void, in that that space in between, that is often the space that we as humans try to avoid on a regular basis.

00;45;56;15 - 00;46;19;23
Annette Dalloo
And how do we avoid it? Well, we fill it with fear. Okay, cool. So I don't want to sit with this empty space of not knowing what's going to happen. So I'm going to go in into my fear of, well, what if this would happen? Or, you know, well, that happened last week, so that might happen now. And, you know, like that whole dialog you have in your head and then, you know, you go this you go to the future of, oh, well, I don't know what could happen in that could happen or that could happen, you know, that kind of thing.

00;46;19;29 - 00;46;40;12
Annette Dalloo
This is something that I say all the time, given the fact that so much of my work is in the cosmic records, which is looking at past lives or concurrent lives or whatever it happens to be, but knowing context is so important to get people unstuck sometimes. So to be able to sit in that space of the Annette Dalloo is one of the greatest gifts to be able to do.

00;46;40;12 - 00;47;19;02
Annette Dalloo
Because you're allowing, you're allowing something different to come in from what you have ultimately manifested in the past. Right? So manifesting fears by filling that space with more fears, right. Sometimes I I'd say we we've come up with in a way we we've come to our real work when we don't know which direction to go. It's not really that moment that you could say the potentiality of the future self who is already out there on that probability path of your greatness, of your wholeness, has so much more possibility of being reached.

00;47;19;05 - 00;47;42;03
Annette Dalloo
Yeah. The way that we have to get to that place. And I certainly did when when I lost everything. Yeah, I really didn't know. I could only know. And I, and I had to keep surrendering again and again and again to this one thing I could do now, this one next step. And that is so key. You know, this one next step.

00;47;42;03 - 00;48;27;05
Annette Dalloo
What is that thing you know now you need to do. Yeah. When you got this vision early on or this download this intuition that you would be a midwife seeing the divine feminine energy. Did you understand? Or maybe I should ask it this way. Do you feel that the way in which you've developed these eight ways have been able to not only help those divine feminine people who have Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine within them, but this can also help men on their journeys, especially given the loss of David and the pain that he was in and the wounding that men are in.

00;48;27;05 - 00;48;47;16
Annette Dalloo
In general. So we often spend so much time vilifying men for the patriarchy, for the structures that are in place. And yeah, a lot of them suck and a lot of them need to be broken down. But at the same time, men as a whole need to be healed. In addition to that, so do you feel do you feel that this can help them as well?

00;48;47;22 - 00;49;20;07
Annette Dalloo
Well, when the first book came out, I actually many men read it and I would say they could relate to the feminine and the masculine archetypes that we had identified. That's a developmental pathway. I think it unfolds a little differently for men in terms of development than for women, sure, but the basic idea of cultivating these yin and yang essences inside ourselves 100% and I had to make the choice early on whether I would try to do this with men and women, or try to do this just with women.

00;49;20;15 - 00;49;42;14
Annette Dalloo
But it was so clear to me that the this the feminine force, this feminine wave, it has been coming in. And if you if you read my first book, we kind of go into some of the the history of that and the way development, you know, unfolded in these streams of consciousness. We're now in the seventh one of those big waves.

00;49;42;21 - 00;50;03;23
Annette Dalloo
There's a way that that feminine is coming in, in men, in women. I mean, it must come in. In other words, the ways of knowing beyond the masculine and what had become hyper masculine consciousness are simply needed. Yeah, but if women weren't getting this, if we weren't waking this up, then we were having a there was going to be a real problem.

00;50;03;23 - 00;50;22;07
Annette Dalloo
And I was seeing women suffering so much because they kind of hard wired some of the masculine ways of being, and they were the most challenging to work with in the corporate environment I was in. They wasn't the men when I, when I was coming to bring these more, you know, learning to share power and get out of the silos and organization and so on.

00;50;22;08 - 00;50;57;09
Annette Dalloo
That was actually a lot of the women that were the most resistant. So but I'm 100% agree that this is this is this evolutionary imperative is certainly not just for women at all. And the second book I wrote in a way that I, I've had already heard from lots of men who read it, that I think it would be you don't have to to be in a female identifying body to be meaningful for you, and even to to go back and get the first book and use the the archetypes to understand more about this, the feminine and masculine in yourself.

00;50;57;11 - 00;51;37;01
Annette Dalloo
I think the divine what we call say divine, feminine, divine masculine. This is just a way of talking about the the beauty of the exquisite beauty of the the seed code of humanity, of the cosmos, which is yin and yang. Absolutely. And and so we all have that in, you know, and the journey, I believe, of our and, you know, the kind of we could call waking down, not just waking up, but we can down and in is actually to bring that soul essence into the world and show up in the world and make a difference because of the way you show up in the world.

00;51;37;01 - 00;52;04;29
Annette Dalloo
And I've been always very interested in. That's why I just like kind of the element of leadership here. It's redefining what leadership is, just not about power over in some old model. Right? It is about really showing up authentically, fully as yourself and as you do this. And I've seen this with hundreds of women I've worked with that when they shift their own codes and actually start vibrate ING in this frequency that I call ministerial, it's profound.

00;52;04;29 - 00;52;28;11
Annette Dalloo
The changes that happen in their family dynamics, with their children, with their partners and where they work. I used to get people referred from Microsoft all the time. I'm in here in Seattle, Washington. They didn't really know what I did in my programs. They just knew that the women that did the work were so different. The way they were leading was so profoundly different and effective.

00;52;28;11 - 00;52;51;07
Annette Dalloo
Yeah, that they would send people to Boeing with the same many of the companies that are local here to do. So. You know, this needs to translate is the point I'm making. It's not enough for I believe this where my own, my own sense of mission has to do with the the showing up in the world. You wake up, you grow yourself up and you show up in the world.

00;52;51;07 - 00;53;23;10
Annette Dalloo
And and in this particular time, these kind of tipping point times, we are 100% needed right now. Yeah, I agree, most of the time when these types of transitions seem to happen on a small scale and on a grand scale, when you are trying to usher in new energy, that new energy has to lead, and that new energy has to lead in a confidence and a security that is knowing that this is the direction that we must go.

00;53;23;12 - 00;53;48;21
Annette Dalloo
Right? So i.e. the feminine energy, the divine feminine energy is leading the way at this moment and will be in from what I've seen for quite some time. And it's not to say that it is. The divine masculine is going away. It's that balance between the two, as you were saying, that that it's seeking and the feminine is leading the way to that balance.

00;53;48;27 - 00;54;13;04
Annette Dalloo
Right. And this is a really important distinction because I think and certainly in the work that I do, it is not just about the feminine. Right, but that has been in the background. And by the way, that is how evolution unfolded. Not a mistake. Let's just say that's what it's been like. Now this there is a need for the conscious feminine to to come in.

00;54;13;06 - 00;54;32;17
Annette Dalloo
And when that happens and it's woven together with the conscious masculine in ourselves, we have something very, very different that starts to happen. And that alchemy, I call it a mysterious way of being because I just literally, as I said, couldn't find a way to describe what starts to happen because you all we also have to get the masculine healthy.

00;54;32;17 - 00;55;00;10
Annette Dalloo
So for sure the patriarchy is not just outside us, it's only outside us because it's inside us. So the work I do with women is actually finding it hard getting in touch with the ways that we have internalized that patriarchy. Yeah. Insider. And we have to do this work now. We're seeing in culture right now a lot of this shadow material coming up, we see it here in the United States with some of the leaders that have been, you know, holding power.

00;55;00;10 - 00;55;25;23
Annette Dalloo
We see it in Ukraine, in Russia, where the we could say the shadow masculine, which has power over and, you know, my way or the highway and, you know, the isolation and all of the individual focus consciousness that is a part of the the patriarchal mindset. But but I see it as the necessary kind of cleansing of the shadow.

00;55;25;29 - 00;56;00;08
Annette Dalloo
This didn't just come about. Now we could say, right, this has been there, only not conscious. We've had this way of thinking, way of being. And it's from my point of view, it's it's actually essential that it comes out of the unconscious. We can see it coming out collectively, but in the long arc it won't. There's no way the patriarchy is going to be the final say, but we have to do the work in ourselves so that we can be part of that force that is actually metabolizing the old pattern.

00;56;00;13 - 00;56;25;11
Annette Dalloo
Well, because the old pattern is rooted in insecurity and hurt. So when anybody is grabbing for power or like you were saying, even the women who were in resistance at the corporate space of, you know, sort of softening that it is because of the insecurity of not feeling that you could hold on to what you have, the fear of loss, the fear of the fear on the center.

00;56;25;14 - 00;56;50;08
Annette Dalloo
Yeah. And so when you are able to dive deep into that fear, into that wounding, into those traumas, into those spaces that you are asking people to look at, this is where that healing takes place, and you've given people the tools to do that. Yeah. Beautiful. So I do have one last question for you before we wrap up.

00;56;50;10 - 00;57;07;02
Annette Dalloo
And that is since writing the book and now since the book is out, what types of things have you learned from that point to this point has been anything that has come up since you release the book where you're just like, oh, you know what? That came up, and I wish I would have put that in the book.

00;57;07;04 - 00;57;29;10
Annette Dalloo
Interestingly, there's always the decision about where to end the book because in my case, I, you know, this was my journey and I, I finally, at a certain point said to say, stop here. You know, this is this is what's going to be the book that but then I'm still making my path by walking. So I'm still on that journey.

00;57;29;14 - 00;58;02;24
Annette Dalloo
This is an ongoing unfolding. I can feel in the the publication of the book, as I mentioned already, there's a kind of return. So in the in Joseph Campbell, who wrote so beautifully about in The Hero with a Thousand Faces about, he kind of laid out the archetypal hero's or heroines journey pattern, which is there's a descent, you know, you're pulled down, there's the initiation that you go through in the, in the you slay the dragons and you know, all the things you could say in the dark, and then you return again.

00;58;02;24 - 00;58;21;16
Annette Dalloo
There's. And you come back and you, you've changed. And I would say I'm in the return cycle right now. And there've been many versions of this over the course of the ten years, but there's a very specific return for me right now of coming to the upper world with, I could say my book is the Pearl of Great Price.

00;58;21;16 - 00;58;45;21
Annette Dalloo
You know, it's the thing that it was that gold in the wound. And and I'm now stepping into that next phase of my work. I would say just continue to apply what I, what I know I, I'm on a path and I'm making my path by walking and it's still very much a mystery, but that's life, you know?

00;58;45;22 - 00;59;13;12
Annette Dalloo
Yeah. Something is ended though. This I know something isn't that something completed with a book coming out, and it's going to be affecting the kinds of programs I do going forward. The sort of collaboration that's I'm in, things it'll be be happening, but I'm not exactly sure what those will all be yet. Yeah, it's so beautifully written, as I said earlier, and the the way that you've described the eight ways and I'm sorry, you, you, you call them something else before.

00;59;13;12 - 00;59;45;16
Annette Dalloo
Can you remind me? I would call them I call them mysterious meta capacity because that's like higher level. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So with the eight meta capacities in the book, you write it almost as prose. And I find that really beautiful because it almost makes your conscious brain take a step back and you're reading from a beautiful creative space which allows you to receive the information from an energetic place versus a mental place which, well, that was the idea.

00;59;45;16 - 01;00;22;04
Annette Dalloo
So each one of these, I think what you're referring to is at the beginning of each one of these eight meta capacities, I just sort of channeled almost I call it an evolutionary invocation or invitation, because I wanted you to be able, the reader, to be able to picture themselves with multidimensional knowing. What is that? Yeah. So it's sort of written in this evocative way, and I really hope people slow down and and do that reading and return to it and go, yeah, you know, I think I'm really working right now on, on embracing paradox or my life is full of all these complexities.

01;00;22;07 - 01;00;46;17
Annette Dalloo
And then just to read that little prayer and get it in the body, what it would be like to be someone with that consciousness and capacity. Yeah. So anybody out there who is reading the book, who is going to read the book, do not breeze through that because it stopped me in my tracks. It did. It was like, I mean, obviously I was enjoying reading the story and and knowing your experience and everything else.

01;00;46;17 - 01;01;08;22
Annette Dalloo
But the second I saw that it in literally it's almost like it pulled me to drop in. And was there one in particular, one of the eight capacities that you read, that invocation? You thought, that's that's where I want more of that in my life right now. It was, and I don't remember the name of it. I know I apologize, but I believe it was the second one.

01;01;08;29 - 01;01;38;02
Annette Dalloo
The second one would have been unfolding the emergent. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. That is an absolutely beautiful capacity to cultivate. And it's sort of what I was referring to a moment ago. It's very much what I'm, I'm doing right now is unfolding the emergent, which is such a different way of being in the world where you're actually paying attention to all the signs and signals you are doing what we kind of called dynamic steering.

01;01;38;02 - 01;01;57;29
Annette Dalloo
Yeah. Which is again, paying attention to the next step, the thing you need to step onto right now, and you let the thing unfold rather than drive things into manifestation, which usually means where we cut ourselves short from what we might have manifested. Yeah, in my opinion, that's great. Do you mind if I read it? Oh, no. Be great.

01;01;58;05 - 01;02;30;08
Annette Dalloo
It says an evolutionary invitation, an unfolding, the emergent. Meditate on the words below and let them evoke your body, heart, mind and soul. Imagine yourself as a woman on the edge of the evolution unfolding, the emergent. Everything, every single thing unfolds in the grace of time. You remove what blocks the flow and gasp in delight at what is revealed before your innocent eyes, visualizing your clear desire out ahead in the future.

01;02;30;10 - 01;02;52;26
Annette Dalloo
You surrender to how you journey there. Follow the path seen and then not seen. You walk hand-in-hand with the mystery parts of you. Travel far ahead of your fears, willing to not know, to pay attention to signs and signals, to let some things go and others emerge. To be surprised by life. What moves you comes from the heart of wonder.

01;02;53;00 - 01;03;16;03
Annette Dalloo
Not a stranger here on this good earth. You are a co-creator, unfolding a world of beauty and possibility. That is so. It's it's so relevant to our conversation today as well with being in the in the Annette Dalloo, in that mysterious space, being in that space of allowing the unfolding to happen. And it's such an important way of being.

01;03;16;06 - 01;03;36;05
Annette Dalloo
Thank you. What a beautiful way to end. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you. How do people get a hold of you if they want to know new things that are happening, that sort of things? Do you want to give the listeners your website and and how to sign up? Yeah, I'd say my website is a great place to start.

01;03;36;05 - 01;04;08;06
Annette Dalloo
Ministerial. My s trial woman Law.com. You'll find out more about the work that we do and the kinds of programs that we run. There's a page on the for the book, for both of my books, actually. And also I've created a poetry resource course for the second book, because poetry was such a an important part of my own holding during, during the trauma so that you might find that useful, beautiful, and sign up on the website to to join us in our ministerial murmuration.

01;04;08;06 - 01;04;27;20
Annette Dalloo
And then I send out newsletters every couple of weeks with things that I'm thinking, and podcasts like this one that are going on, and I'll be doing a program in the fall that will be based around this on resilience. You make your path by walking. So I'm in a similar tent. Wonderful. Thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure.

01;04;27;27 - 01;04;58;13
Annette Dalloo
Thank you so much for sharing your story and your path. And and everything. It's been it's been wonderful speaking with you. Thank you. And that for the invitation again. Suzanne's book, The Way of the Mysterious Woman Upgrading How You Live, Love and Lead is her previous book and her new book. If you would like to pick it up, you can get it on Amazon is you make your path by walking a transformational field guide through trauma and loss.

01;04;58;20 - 01;05;35;14
Annette Dalloo
Thank you for joining us today, and I wish you a wonderful week. And stay tuned for next week's episode, which will be out on Wednesday. Have an amazing day and never stop exploring your soul because it is the most important relationship you will ever have. If you are interested in learning more about me and the sessions, then I do feel free to go to my website at Infinite Soul love.com on all social media, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube at Infinite Soul Love.

01;05;35;16 - 01;05;51;08
Annette Dalloo
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