Nothing But Anarchy
"Nothing But Anarchy" hosted by Chad Sanders explores and subverts sports, media, Hollywood, and culture. Chad's vulnerable and raw commentary creates a fresh podcast experience you don't want to miss. Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET on Youtube Live.
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Executive Producer: Chad Sanders
Producer: Morgan Williams
Music: Marcus Williams
Nothing But Anarchy
Eps. #53 The Production Meeting: Opting to Attend Events Solo, Working Through Our Creative Process, Devin Booker is Not Little Bro, Dissecting Drake and Joe Budden Beef
As we dive into this action-packed episode, we're taking a thought-provoking journey through a maze of personal experiences, cultural insights, entertainment, and sports while navigating the anarchy of life.
This episode takes an unconventional look at the complexities of life through the lens of joy and energy management in social settings, the emotional toll of giving too much in relationships and at work, and the power dynamics of 'big brother, little brother' relationships. We're also dissecting the public personas of high-profile celebrities like Drake and the implications of their actions. With a blend of critiques, reflections, and insights from the roller-coaster ride that is life, this episode will keep you hooked till the very end.
0:08 Exploring Chaos and Weekend Recaps
12:04 Joy and Evolution in Show Format
21:48 The Cost of Giving
27:24 Culture Con and Issa Rae
39:49 Impressions and Disappointment With Drake's Album
46:13 Drake's Insecurities and Joe Budden's Critique
54:03 Paul George and Devon Booker's Dynamic Brother Relationship
1:03:09 Gender, Career, and Personal Branding
Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET to watch the show live on Youtube. Follow @chadsand on Instagram and subscribe to the Nothing But Anarchy Youtube channel for full interviews and more anarchy!
Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
This is Nothing but Anarchy. This is the show that explores chaos around the world around culture, around sports, around media and some other stuff. I think that'll do just nicely for an intro. Alright, nothing but Anarchy is the show that subverts and explores chaos around culture, sports, entertainment, media. Got a lot of shit to talk about. It's Tuesday. I always come in here with more shit to talk about on a Tuesday. I was outside the entire weekend. I didn't think I could do it and I did it and I'm so proud of myself. I was outside the whole weekend and I had a great time. I'm gonna talk about that a little bit. What else am I supposed to say before I do that? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. The YouTube channel is called Nothing but Anarchy, morgan. Yes, subscribe to our YouTube channel.
Speaker 1:My sister, shannon is going to join us for a bonus episode on Saturday. If you are laying around on a lazy Saturday, you just need to click something on your Sonos. We will be there talking about Shannon's book and her journey as an author and just life. She's my sister. I talk to her every day pretty much, so we're gonna do that in front of y'all. Go buy her book company. People have been sending me photos of it out in the wild drinking coffee with their babies, all kinds of stuff. Buy my sister's book, available anywhere you get books. All right, I'm gonna get right into it here.
Speaker 1:First weekend recap. So the week last week was the week following our launch party. Is that correct? Or is that this week Was the launch party a week ago? No, Last week was the week that followed our launch party and, as it goes, the launch party was, I thought, a very strong launch. I thought it had a fantastic. It looked good, people looked beautiful, the lighting was good, the liquor sponsor did a good job with the drinks. I think Morgan nailed it in terms of execution, morgan, tia two-in-two room, et cetera, et cetera, blah, blah, blah. Come off of that. And it's always like the week after a big event is always a little bit like, you know, back to normal shit, back to the mundane, back to just like the grind, the you know one foot in front of the other type of thing. And then I started to see some of the images from the event. I started to hear from some people who were at the event.
Speaker 1:I started to run into people in real life who have been listening to the show and I started to feel picked up a little bit. I started people were saying good things. They were saying I've been listening to every episode. I know I'm a little late. People are like I'm late, but I've been listening, I'm like you're not that late.
Speaker 1:We started the show in April but then Friday night I went out in Lower East Side to a Speak Easy with my friend and I shall not say the name of it because I don't see anybody that I know there when I go there and I would love to keep it that way for as long as possible. As soon as I start seeing people that I know, I'm going to stop going there. But Saturday so I had a big night, long night was up till probably two, three in the morning, did you know? Did some fun things. Then, saturday, as it happens and I knew this was going to happen, and I was dreading for this to happen because I, morgan, had informed me or some some one where another I found out that Tia and Co were having a party on Saturday night and they're two for two in terms of parties that I've been to, where Tia is DJing or even a part of the experience and I wanted to go and I know myself. I tried to give myself like a lead up to a big night where I am resting, eating healthy, getting extra sleep, because I don't know about my stamina to like have a big night or multiple big nights in a row and still be able to do all the shit that I got to do for my life.
Speaker 1:And Saturday comes around. I'm feeling a little bit dragging from the night before I go to Tim's house. Play cards go home, get home around like 730, pennies at the dog sitter. So it's just me turn on the TV lying on the couch. I'm basically like in my pajamas scrolling Uber Eats at 10 o'clock and I think I texted Morgan at that point, who was on the other side of the country, and I was just like I just don't know if I'm going to be able to do it, like I just don't think I can make it. And but I felt like I wanted to make it because this is, these are people Tia and Co I'm going to. They're two on two room but like, as far as I see them, they are Tia and Co and no disrespect, they're people who I want to like, continue to want to work with us. They did a great job at our party. They have a very distinct look. They attract a certain, I think, a certain energy. They're professional, they're they are talented. Like I want more of them in our stuff. So I'm like this is where my work life and my personal life are very blended.
Speaker 1:It's 10, 15 on a Saturday night and I'm like feeling like I need to go to this party because I want to continue to build this relationship with these party people. So Morgan texts me back as a 25 year old would, and she's like no, you have to go. And I'm like I'm like okay, fine, like that's kind of what I needed to turn the key a little bit to. I was looking for somebody to. I was texting other people, old people, being like yo, I don't know if I can make it to this shit. I'm like I don't know how the fuck you're going to go out tonight, like you should just blah, blah, blah. And another thing that was on my mind from this experience is like I don't have I shouldn't even say I don't have people to go to parties with anymore. Like I think I'm out on the group party movement. I think I'm out on the like hitting up your boy and being like yo, do you want to pull up to this thing? I thought about it all week If I wanted to bring somebody with me to this party.
Speaker 1:But the problem is, especially men can be very needy when going out together. Like people need they need you to. Like they need you to. Oh, I got to go to the bathroom. Like can you meet me back at this spot? They're texting like yo, where are you at. They want to leave before you want to leave, or they want to leave after you want to leave. Oh, they ran into this woman who they used to date.
Speaker 1:Now, it's awkward. It's just like there's so many ways that your energy gets fucked with oh, can we stop and get something to eat on the way? I'm hungry, that's my least favorite one. Like can you, niggas, just not eat for a little while? Like you got to eat before the party. Like you're not running off goddamn marathon. Like just, can you just make it? Can you just sustain? Can you just fill your belly up with alcohol, like whatever. There's all these different reasons why I don't want to travel in packs of dudes anymore. Dude start fights, dudes have egos, dudes see somebody they don't like and they start behaving completely differently, like it's just a bad. I just hate it. So that's part of what was stopping.
Speaker 1:What was blocking me from going to this party was, like my party associations when I go without, like a significant other or whatever, is going out with another, like another couple people, and then you got to, you have baggage. You walk into the party with baggage. That's the worst way to walk into a party. So I didn't. I didn't hit up anybody except Morgan to say I don't think I can make it, and Morgan says, no, you have to go. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to go.
Speaker 1:So I got dressed right. I put on this exact same outfit that I'm wearing right now and I, like you know, took the shower, played my sonos in the shower. Now I'm like the shower is really what gets you out the door Like it changed. It changed my whole mood, the music, I'm like starting to feel myself. I put on the outfit, spray the cologne you know what I mean and I'm it's like I needed to put myself together to feel the vibes. I needed to feel like, oh, I have a nice house to like be in getting ready for a party. There's like, there's like mirrors everywhere and there's a yard and it has space it has the ceilings are kind of high, like it's just a nice place to like be feeling yourself a little bit. So I go.
Speaker 1:And then then I was like now I have to make a decision about how am I going to get to this party and intuition would say, like jumping an Uber, you might have a couple drinks, whatever, but I'm like I'm an adult, I can fucking drive to a party, drink responsibly and make it back. You know what I mean, have some glasses of water before I leave and make it back home without causing injury to myself. So I I jump in my car. I have a nice, all black car. It's just nothing fancy, it's a Jeep, cherokee and I go, I drive right as far as shit. That was another part of it.
Speaker 1:It's like this place is in the Navy Yard. I live in Queens. This is a 45 to 50 minute drive, right, but still it's like it's an adventure. I'm outside, it's New York city, it's fall, it's my favorite month, it's October, it's crisp outside, like it's a clear night. There's other people driving to their parties, there's energy. I got them. I got my music. Drake just put out an album which was mostly made, but there's a couple of songs. There's one song I listened to over and over and over again. So I'm driving to party.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling so good, get to the Navy Yard. I drive, I spend the block like four times at the Navy Yard looking for this party. If you know what the Navy Yard is like, this is like if there's nobody there. This is like where someone would take you to kill you, and that's what I start to feel like. I'm looking around Like there's not. I do not hear like a single thump of a base or any. I don't see any people Like. I'm just like driving around the fucking Navy Yard.
Speaker 1:So finally, I text Morgan. I'm like Morgan, what's good? I text Tia. I'm like Tia, like I think I'm here, where's the spot? And she's like oh, it's in the cut, you got it. So I'm like, okay, it's in the cut. So I got to look harder, basically Like so then I park, get out the goddamn car.
Speaker 1:It is freezing cold outside and the wind is blowing off of the water which is right next to the Navy Yard. Through. I'm wearing this little half jacket that La Lae got me for the thing. So I'm like I am like cold and I'm like this is thirsty. This was dumb. I should have never left the house. I should just take my eyes home.
Speaker 1:Morgan's not Morgan, I'm just me. Morgan's not being helpful. Tia is like barely being helpful. I mean, no one is taking accountability for what's happening to me right now. So I'm like I forgot, I forgot.
Speaker 1:I think Tia eventually told me like oh shit, we updated the location, but we didn't put it on the thing. Yes, tell me, morgan, I sent you the thing. I was like oh shit, I didn't see that. Okay, so at some point, both of these people in their mid twenties realize that I don't have the right information. I'm 10 years older.
Speaker 1:I'm not knowing how to like I don't know that parties move locations. That's not in my like, that's not in my wheelhouse. I didn't know that's even a. I didn't even think of that as a possibility. I'm like once you see an address for a party, that's where the party, that's where the party happens, so, but I'm supposed to like watch their stories to know that the party has moved to another place, regardless. So I get my ass in the car. It's like the place is like 15 minutes from my house, so I could have been there in 15 minutes.
Speaker 1:Drive the $3 bill, get out of the car, walk past this long ass line like giant line of Negroes outside of this place. They look great, everybody looks fantastic. I go over to the, to the, to the special line, because I am special and I have to wait there for just a couple minutes and even while waiting there to get to the front for them to like be like oh, who's the list of you on? I'm thinking of myself. I'm like if I had someone else with me, a dude especially he would be like oh, we got to wait in this line, we got to do this, we got to blah, blah. I don't really like, just like trying to like do all these weird flexes about how he doesn't wait in lines and all this shit and I just like calmly waited in line for two minutes, got inside.
Speaker 1:Dia came and found me, took me to a stage which overlooked a sea of Negroes. Like I said, just looking, looking and feeling fantastic. Everybody was in a good vibe. She comes and hands me a giant bottle of tequila at some point. The DJs are great. It's a trap night, so they're playing all Southern shit and I told myself I'm going to be there for like an hour. I got there 11 and I ended up walking out at like four o'clock in the morning and nobody in there looked like they were about to leave, like at a certain point I was just like I just have to take myself home because this, these niggas are never going to end the party. And I understood Like it just felt like that was the thing to do. And I think what happened is that I think the tourists are gone.
Speaker 1:Culture con was it was a culture con after party, so that brought out people and I don't know, it feels like maybe it's me, you know what it is. And then my friends said this later they're like you probably brought a different energy than what you usually walk out the house with to a party because you're managing other people's shit when you go places. And I think that's true and that's like something I'm paying attention to right now in my life. That same friend asked me about joy the other day. She was like what's your relationship with joy? And it was like it came she's a journalist and came so out that I was like what? Now I got to think about this.
Speaker 1:My relationship with joy is like and just generally like vibes, like feeling good, having a good life. My relationship with it is like, generally, the moment that I feel like that, I am feeling that I pick up the phone or I look for some form of communication to connect to somebody so we can like share in that feeling, and, frankly, nine times out of 10, that ruins the feeling like that. Just that ends up. I end up walking away with their shit. And this is relevant because now I'm like I feel like I've unlocked a new level on the video game. I'm like I'm not taking niggas to any parties anymore, like unless it's somewhere I feel like I need. I'm going to need other people there with me, which is probably a place I shouldn't be. I am not bringing people to know shit from now on, like I'm going solo, unless I shouldn't say that I'll probably actually ask Morgan to come to some things with me. But the point is just like my relationship with Joy, as I'm learning it is, I am.
Speaker 1:I have not felt comfortable sitting in Joy in for probably my whole life. I'm only just now looking at that and examining it. I have not felt comfortable feeling a good feeling and just letting that feeling do it like run its course, before I pick up the phone to give it away to somebody. If you're listening with a few exceptions if you think about your relationship with me, if you think about how we communicate I'm about to be very spicy this entire episode. So I'm just going to say this Consider how often when our conversations begin, where my energy is at, and then, when the conversation ends, how much lower and distracted my energy is at that point in time. I think that is like there's other people like that. I bet Morgan, actually Morgan's energy I don't know if it gets fucked up by other people, but I'm certain that other people try to tap into Morgan to get her positive energy, like to feel the way that she seems to feel about herself. I believe people probably try to reach in with a straw and have some for themselves, and I think I'm going to, I'm thinking I'm out on that. Similarly, I have made myself, I am exposing myself to try to connect to other people who are trying to build things.
Speaker 1:Um, um, okay, in today's episode I am going to be uh, we're going, morgan and I are going to have a dialogue, and by that I mean I'm going to talk at Morgan. I'm just kidding, but almost, but barely. Um, we're going to have a dialogue because there's some things about the show that I think it's time to like. The show is time to evolve into its next format it's not its next format, but like it's next. It's time for the show to grow Like it was a baby. Now it's time for it to be like a toddler, like it's time for it to like walk around and like hand you a book and be like read. So that's what we're going to get to.
Speaker 1:But before I get to that, I want to say why. So I'm at the party. Um, people look great, like I mean like I don't want to say them by name, but like people look phenomenal. I'm, I look really good, like everybody's like looking and feeling good, Like there's moments where I'm standing I'd like seeing, first of all, people's hands are on the floor, like I like. Like this is what I'm native to. I'm not native to New York. The way people party in New York I'm native to. I'm from Maryland. Okay, you get to decide if you're from Maryland, if you're from the South or from the East Coast.
Speaker 1:I'd like to believe that I am from the top of the South. Right, my parents are from this? Well, my answers are from the South, obviously. My mom was from the South. My dad's parents are from the South. Family unions are in the South. I went to college in the South. Um, there is Southern culture where I'm from. There's also East Coast culture where I'm from, but I identify with hands on the floor is the way that you party Sweat.
Speaker 1:Um, people standing on things that are not stable to be stood on, twerking. Um, you, you, you yell out the lyrics to the songs that you're listening to. You dance, like you. You know what I'm saying. You touch each other Like I mean. I don't mean like, not in a like, not in an inappropriate way, but like consensually, in an inappropriate way. Like you, you, you like it's a party, like it's not. You are not here to get your Instagram followers up. You're not here to network. I did not. There was no networking, like I didn't. Like. There was no, like it was. You know. What I will say is that and this is where I was going I met a couple ladies who were like, they knew about the show.
Speaker 1:A couple of them were at the thing at pony boy, and I felt from them that we have represented ourselves well and specifically at that party. We represented ourselves well. People remembered specific things about the party. You know, people in New York are going to parties all day, every day, all week, every. They go to, they go to events. They don't go to parties, they go to fucking events. And they remembered things about the party. They remembered things that were said, they remembered things that were done, they remembered somebody that they met, they remember how it looked.
Speaker 1:A lot of people have commented Everybody looks so cool and sexy and yada, yada, yada. And I'm saying this to tee up that, like Morgan, you have. You have done something that I believe you will continue to do your whole life, which is you have set yourself up by. You have raised the bar on what I now know you can produce visually. And so now, when people see the photos from the party, they see the videos from the show, then they go look at the videos from this show for the reels and shit, like it's not congruent. And so it's not congruent because I'm going to first be accountable, right? I don't always show up looking how. I am probably going to try to start looking now because I need the visual quality.
Speaker 1:I'm measuring everything that we put out, I'm I'm boosting things, I'm paying attention to metrics, I'm looking at what percentage of the people who see some shit come back to my profile who then go and listen to the show. Like we're dialing this in. And if it doesn't make sense to people, if they're like that guy on the stage that I saw at pony boy doesn't match this nigga in the t-shirt, like in the wrinkled t-shirt you know what I'm saying with his hair not done. Like that's a problem to me. And so I came in here today and you know we were as a collective, as a group, we were trying to figure out okay, does this chair move over here? Is this the right backdrop? We're probably going to talk about lighting. Like now we got to make it. We got to make it match.
Speaker 1:Like the show needs to feel like a world that is congruent and like the when people receive a communication needs to be congruent to what they saw at the party now what they see here, because we want to do another live show, they need to. When somebody comes to look at our assets, they need to know like, am I getting this experience or am I getting that experience? Do you know what I'm saying? Like it just needs, everything needs to be clear and congruent. It doesn't mean like it can't have some variance, but it needs to. It needs to say something.
Speaker 1:So, also over the weekend, I got a Twitter direct message from someone who I only know from the internet and I have, I don't think, ever met in person, but like who I would like to. And that person said in so many words, like I finally got around to listening to the show and it's really good for these reasons right, I'm not going to list them out, I did. I did sort of pry to learn more and more about like what that was, that they that what it was that was catching them, and a part of it is like the tone of the show. It feels like it feels real to people, and so where I'm going to stand on some more accountability is like I need to show up like this every time we do the show. Like I can't come in some days and do it at like 60%, which I have done before, because you know something else is going on in my life, or this or that or whatever. Like I got to elevate it so that the whole, I have to elevate myself and then the whole thing has to elevate as well, and we'll talk about more specifically what that means after this. But one thing that it means is this is this is going to start Okay, I'm going to make these things connect taste, creativity and that straw drinking like drinking from somebody with a straw.
Speaker 1:I have represented myself as someone who will give, give people stuff for free, like I will have a conversation with somebody and give them all this shit. That's taken like literally years for me to process. That has cost me a lot. It's cost me fucking money. It has cost me friends. It has cost me relationships. It has cost me time. It has cost me an identity that I needed to shed but that was very painful to shed, which was as as like corporate person you know what I'm saying. Like I can't go get a job anymore. Y'all like that's what I'm saying. It's cost a lot.
Speaker 1:I've been giving those things away for free and I like to act like I have some sort of mastermind plan around why I'm giving shit away for free. It's like oh well, it gets people used to listening to your voice and then they you can convert them into customers. You can do this and you can do that. Part of the reason is like. I just don't know how to say no. I see people trying to do something. I see people trying hard. People are salespeople. You know what I mean. People, uh, they represent themselves as like oh my God, can you help me, cause I'm really trying so hard and I think I have this and can you do this for me and that for me? And there's a sale behind it. There's a fucking do y'all feel me, or no? There's, there's oftentimes like at the end of the tunnel of the of the human experience that they are throwing out at you.
Speaker 1:First, it's like, um, it's like a, it's a, it's a. What's the thing? Like it's like jinx from Pokemon, it's like it's a farce, it's a, it's a thing that they're showing you, cause they're trying to get some free shit off of you. And I've been just doing it, I've just been like, I've been seeing it and feeling it and knowing it and just doing it. And the way that they get in is by saying you're so creative, like you seem to have such like. Oh, you see, like you seem to really have a mastery of your voice. Um, you have like that. You know, they give you compliments Like they get. They get there and then, at the end of the whole thing is a fucking sale. Can you do this for me? Can you do that for me? Can you do this for me? And then the sale continues. It never stops. It never stops until you screech the brakes on it. And it's difficult to do that because you feel like an asshole and because people will treat you bad if you do that. Sometimes, um, sorry, I'm going far away and I feel like it's not tethered. So let me, let me tether it so everybody knows what the fuck I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Like, the thing that we have here is like a show that has an identity. It has a spirit, it has a feeling. It's precious. It is not easily replicated. Like I can see what people are doing on the internet. I can see what people's that. This is why I came in here. I'm like, oh fuck, we got to elevate our shit because I can see other people's backdrops. I can see, like you know, I can just see people don't have it and we have it. So now I'm like charged. I'm like I know we have it because I was in the streets and people who are I can see it. They don't even have to say it Like I can. I can feel it on a person when they're like you guys have something, like you, it's there and I, and I can feel it when they're like I want more of it.
Speaker 1:People who have, who actually have good tastes, people who actually are creative, like not, you know, I've been looking at, I've been looking at um. Hillary sent me like somebody's sales funnel for how they get people to come into their coaching and I'm sorry, hillary, we've talked on the phone. Now You're now. You are now part of my life. This is part of the experience. If we have a conversation, I might bring it up into a microphone, um, but I won't be overly revealing, I promise.
Speaker 1:Point is, I've been looking at funnels like people's landing pages and different ways. Like people are, uh, getting other people to give them money, like let me just say what it is Like different ways people are getting each other to sell things to each other and, um, so much of it is lifeless. Like so much of it is terribly bland and tasteless and lifeless and there's no humanity in it at all and it's it's. There's nothing singular about it. Like there's no point of view, there's no art artistry. I saw something that said like something you know this thing is going to help you with your swag and make you flyer. And it says it's like shit, like that. And I'm just like um, I'm like there are actually people out here selling nothing burgers, nonstop, hand over fist. Like selling people snake oil. Selling people like selling people another sale. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:And I am of the opinion that we are actually doing something here, like we are actually like bringing something real to the human experience and some artistry and some community, and like we think about, like Morgan and I, we talk all week, we think about what we're going to do in this show. We try, and so, in my opinion because I am so judgmental of people who tell me this is my intention and then I watch them not actually try to do the thing they're talking about. I'm turning that judgment on myself and I'm like, if we're putting this much effort into making the show good, like we need to represent it as it is, like people need to be able to see our marketing, see our reels, see what we do here, like see an image of us, like they did at the party, and that thing it needs to represent what's actually here, which is something dope, because there are people out there selling nothing burgers. Okay, I am ranting, nobody cares. Maybe someone cares. People are putting hearts in the hearty heart. Actually, there's good engagement happening. I don't know if any of that felt tethered to something that is actually relatable for anybody, but this is really how I feel.
Speaker 1:Okay, morgan tells me that Brian said in the chat. What did he say? Quote unquote nothing burgers.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, and Morgan says we could, or he said we could put that on shirts. Maybe we will, like I told Morgan, write it down. We are going to start making merchandise. The party's behind us. You did great, morgan, so that reminds me.
Speaker 1:Okay, as I had this feeling which is like it's time to like turn up the heat here and let me be clear, I only turn. I only turn the heat up or I turn it off. Like I only turn it up if there are signals that something is percolating, like it's going the right direction. If it's not, I am the quickest nigga to jump ship. Like I'm gone, I'm ghost. Like I turn off my brain and I stop showing up for work and I'm out. Like I tell y'all biggest fucking athlete on the planet, okay, wanted to make something. It was coming out ass and I was like you know what I cannot like, feeling, feeling, okay, I'm going to start being specific here. Okay, morgan, are you ready for the Morgan portion of this? All right? So I had a conversation this is contact. I had a conversation last night where I was like I told an advisor All right, we're going to give you all exactly what you want right now, which is more of our production meeting. So Josh had a point of view on Josh. Go Well, your turn.
Speaker 2:I just wanted to say that, like, as somebody that does like production video and audio outside the studio as well, from time to time it's uh, I'm not like trying to shoot the videographer or or necessarily Morgan any bail here, but it's also, like you know, I I have someone who's also thrown events before and it's just like I know how much work goes into it and I think, like when you hire professionals, you expect them to be able to handle.
Speaker 2:Like I'm not a micromanager, so like in that sense, like I try to find the best people possible that I feel that I can trust to do the job that I'm expecting them to do. Um, and in this case, you know, you know you might have dropped the ball, but also like sometimes I feel like, if anything, that videographer might have dropped the ball, more so in communication than anything else, because, as someone that does event, you know that's recorded stuff in in different environments. Like it's really really hard to do live event stuff to get clean sounding audio, like you're not going to get it sounding like studio quality, like no matter how good it is, or like how good of an environment you really think you're in you, not even just for this show, but it's something that I preach to all podcasters and I think you're doing it. It's just going to still going to take some time, I think.
Speaker 1:I do. I mean, listen, I respect the point of view on the, on the videographer. I respect everybody who does their job and I and like I wake up every day pushing myself and I know, morgan, you're the same way and so we got to do it for this guy too, like if we're giving him, we're giving him money, and that's another thing is like, oh, this shit is out of pocket which I know you relate to, josh, is like it's coming out your pocket. So if it's not right, I got to tell somebody it's not right, absolutely, that's it All right. I, josh, as always, I appreciate and respect your, your point of view. I need to. I need to actually talk about the docket, because we're only only an hour in, but I need to talk about some other shit, okay, so I hope that was entertaining for some people. That's, that's where we're at, and also like it's hard to find time to have an actual meeting. So so you know, we're in here for an hour and a half.
Speaker 2:I'm like doing it on the show.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. Next thing Culture Con. We talked about the Culture Con after party. Let's talk about something that actually happened at Culture Con, because this was phenomenal, and by that I mean it was a dumpster fire. Culture Con is I don't know what their tagline is, but as far as I see it, it's like a place where creative, slash, enterprising black adults come together in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. It's huge convention center and they fill up, they pack out the house with people who are like in creative industries, I would say, both as artists and as like executives and people who work at all Like. I went and did a talk last. This is how I met Gia Peppers. She interviewed me about direct deposit for Audible. Like Audible is one of the big sponsors. There's a ton of sponsors, a billion billion sponsors. And Issa Rae was there this past time, which was last week, being interviewed by do we know her name? Morgan, who interviewed her.
Speaker 3:Glenda McNeil.
Speaker 1:Glenda McNeil, who I had never heard of. You guys, this is a audio medium for many of you, so I'm going to describe what you would be looking at if you saw this clip. You would be looking at Issa Rae sitting, looking spectacular, as she is want to do, on a stage with a packed house because, of course, it's called CultureCon, and she's literally Issa Rae and she's being interviewed by what appeared to be a white woman. So what happened here is the woman, the interviewer, who is passing as white not on purpose, she just looks like a white woman. She calls Issa Issa and the crowd starts to yell up at her Issa, issa, issa like they're correcting her. They're like what the fuck? How many times do you call this woman Issa?
Speaker 1:Issa barely flinches at all, like she's almost completely stoic the entire time. She does start grinning as they're yelling Issa up at her, and Issa has a very distinct grin. She has perfect teeth, she has a very straight, beautiful smile and her demeanor is so perfect that she is not flinching at all to correct this lady on her name because she has a crowd of Issa followers to tell this woman you're wrong. Now what the woman does from here. I want you all to actually watch the clip, if you can go pull it up whenever later. What the woman does is she, she, what I mean, I'm just called, okay, say the direct quote and then I'm going to say what she has done here.
Speaker 3:I'm part of the community, honey, it's okay.
Speaker 1:She does what a white person would do, which is she takes this moment where she is being corrected for being a dumbass and she wags the finger at the audience and like not literally but figuratively and tells them basically stop. You know, stop? What's the word Like? Stop, what is she? What Chiding me? I am of your community because she, first of all, she felt like she had to say that because certainly she knows that these people think she's white because she looks white, and she's been doing this her entire life, probably since she was a little kid, having to tell black people I am white, I am black, when she wants to. And then she goes on to say something I'm going to paraphrase, which is, like you know, I'm not going to get it right all the time Like, sometimes it's just about being vulnerable, like that's the story of my life. She just completely make she Issa is basically not on the stage anymore as far as she's concerned and she turns it all on. She turns the light on her and she's like this is about me now and this is about how you guys are chastising me and I deserve better and I'm being vulnerable and my life is that I pick it up and keep going and it reminded me of something. So, first of all, I thought this lady made an absolute buffoon of herself and she should be embarrassed and I'm sure she was embarrassed and I don't like doing you should be embarrassed because, like we do, all fuck shit up. But she compounded the error by making this like a wrongdoing to her instead of just simply saying I'm so sorry. I apologize, issa, and correcting it Right. So I'll tell y'all something.
Speaker 1:The star of the show rap shit. Her name is Aida. Okay, aida, she's also a writer on the show, which is to say she was in the writer's room. As I was in the writer's room for rap shit the first season and probably two and a half weeks into that writer's room, I addressed her as Ada. Ada. I said it just as I used to call the Sean Watson day Sean Watson, until Quincy said stop saying that. You sound like a white person. Okay, these types of corrections are important. These are names like your name matters. Your name is important. People call me Chadwick. I'm like I honestly, most of the time I lit it, it's just like whatever. But like, my name is Chad and I'm not named like a lifeguard. My name is Chad because it's a country in Africa. Okay, so our names matter.
Speaker 1:I called Aida, ada, and wouldn't you know it, the person who spoke up in the room. Everybody kind of was like cringing, like like don't do that. And this was also before it was revealed that Aida was going to be the star of our show. But wouldn't you know it, my friend, nina Gloster, who I've known since high school, was the one to speak up and be like who? Like her name is Aida and it's like it is embarrassing, like it's humiliating to realize you already, because this woman like well, there's a difference here, right?
Speaker 1:I was sheepishly like dribbling out what I thought was the way to pronounce Aida's name. This woman is like she's just like bursting right through, calling her Issa. She didn't ask anybody when she saw it on her page. She's interviewing Issa Ray man and saying that her defense is like she's up the culture, but she doesn't know who Issa Ray is, doesn't know how to pronounce her name. She saw it on her paper. She didn't ask anybody beforehand how do I pronounce this? So she didn't prepare. And then she gets called out on it and her response is to Do something really gross, like turn it into a teaching moment, basically Like take the mic and say this is how you do it when this happens to you. That's all I got on it. I thought it was. I just thought it was great. I was laughing a lot, I shared it with a lot of people. It was phenomenal. It was also like Issa in a nutshell, which is to say, I think, extremely powerful and very understated in her flexing of that power. Although I also wrote on that same show with Issa's sister and I'm certain that there was a group chat conversation. I would guess that there was probably a very incendiary group chat conversation afterward in the iPhone. Okay, that's it, all right, music. And then we're coming back. Oh, there's so many people on today. This is glorious. You guys love production meetings. All right, I'm going to first. I'm going to walk you all through my journey with this particular album.
Speaker 1:Before we even get to what Joe Budden said about Drake. I have been saying, since I worked in that rap shit writers room, I have been sharing the opinion. I've shared it here that I this is how I have refined the opinion where I started was just like man, I think Drake is losing his hold on our demographic of our culture, which is like my age group, I would say black folks. To an extent, the bracket of people who are like, I would say, are like 30 to 40, really the people that latched on to him in the beginning. Right, and that's if he is willing to lose hold of that group. That is his choice. But I think that his choices are resulting in that, which is to say he seems most, he seems most concerned with impressing the kids, being a part of the kids, putting that shit in his hair in that video and dressing like, looking like, talking like Yachty 21 Savage 21 Savage is not really a kid but like he is appealing to people in their mid and early twenties, I think, by reflecting back to them what he believes to be their cultural tones, how they dress, how they talk about, how the boys talk about women, how they talk about violence, etc. I've been feeling that way for a few years. Many people have been feeling that way longer than I have and have jumped ship still, and yet I want to make this part clear and this is why I love that particular song.
Speaker 1:I think Drake is one of the best writers writers like one of the best writers who has ever lived. I think he is able to explain and story tell and experience that delivers exactly what it is. He's trying to get you to know and to feel as well as almost anybody who has ever lived, as far as I can tell, unless there's, you know, there's so many writers I've never read, so there's so many people I don't know how well they can write, but his shit hits. He usually has, at this point, one or two tracks on each album, like the one I just played. I didn't even really get to the part that I love about that, but it feels like he is letting you in on his diary. It feels like he is bringing you deep into his psychology to tell you like we can.
Speaker 1:I think it is obvious to see that this is an unsettled person. This is a person who is not at peace. This is a person who feels conflict between where he is in his life and where he wanted to be at this point in time in his life. I don't mean that from the sense of how much money he has, how much cloud he has, how many headlines he gets. I mean it in the sense of I believe this is someone who envisioned that at this point he would have a family. I just watched a clip of his on the shop talking about how he thought he was going to have the perfect, you know, cut out situation with Rihanna and instead he had what he has, which he's you know, he's co-parenting and beyond that. I think he's deeply unsettled because he has become a mirror back to whoever wants something from him. He gives it back to this point. He would always just give it to them, whatever it was that they want.
Speaker 1:We wanted Drake to sing he would sing. We wanted Drake to do Afro beats he would do Afro beats. We wanted Drake to rap he would rap. We wanted Drake to be a gangster he would pretend to be a gangster. We wanted him to be a nice guy he pretended to be a nice guy. We wanted him to be a ladies man he would do that. He would do whatever we wanted.
Speaker 1:And I think he has now hit a point where he can't do whatever everybody wants, because there's only one of him. He can't be who I want him to be. I want him to be someone like me, like, or someone I wouldn't even say someone like me, but someone who, I think, is into some of the same shit that I'm into, who's thinking about some of the same things I'm thinking about. As it regards to this age range relationships, work, fun, family, friends, like those types of things I don't feel connected to what he's talking about. I don't feel connected to the image anymore. So that's what I'm bringing to this.
Speaker 1:And yet still, I'm the person who's been waiting for this album to drop since the first day that it was supposed to drop, which at this point, was over a month ago, maybe two months, three months ago. Finally, it came out on Thursday night. I woke up super early on Friday, I don't remember why. Actually, it came out like 6 am on Friday and I pressed play. It was a gloomy day Sat in my kitchen I have new speakers Put that thing on the speakers and somehow I made it to 11 tracks and by the 11th track I was ready to jump ship. It was so not it for me. It was so forgettable and on-plane with the music that is being mass produced right now, so that there's a new TikTok 22-year-old star every day and I know that's a choice.
Speaker 1:Nobody needs to tell me why it's okay for him to do what he wants to do. That's not an interesting point, y'all. Nobody needs to tell me. Nobody needs to tell me. Well, it's not his job to evolve the way you want him to. And other rappers don't evolve. And, like guys, sometimes, man, sometimes your point is not interesting, it's not unique, it's not. Most times it's not. It is a I know, it's something else that you saw on Twitter and it's okay to not. You don't have to have your chest behind a point of view. If it's not unique and it's not yours, it's okay, you don't have to do it. Anyway, peace out.
Speaker 1:I somehow I started texting the text group and being like yo, anybody else listening to this In some way, where it's been like this is ass. I heard also back yeah, this is ass. I made it to that track and to the track I just played away from home. It's called away from home or far from home, away from home, away from home. And why, like I said, why I love it is because it is very written. He is telling a story. I feel like I'm watching clips of his life. I feel like I'm watching these moments where he felt slighted or where he was trying so hard, or where him and his friends had to like push, put pennies together and make some shit happen. Like I can relate, like I can relate to the feeling of every day it's hard to get this thing going. I just want it to take on a life of its own so that I can breathe and relax and enjoy it at some point, and he's he's putting us right back in that moment and then the song ends and he goes right back to that old shit or to that other shit.
Speaker 1:Prevailing sentiment that I'm walking away from this album with is not only just like does the, is the music a little sappy and not sappy? It's just like a little sludgy and boring and not that written. And it's just like this is not your best, drake, but beyond that, I'm like, yeah, I think it's real, he is officially. He'll give me one track like the one I'm talking about, but he is really here to talk to the Yachty Disciples, like the people who are the babies man, the kids, like I'm just saying what it is. The next day I listened to Joe Budden, as I do on a Saturday often, and I know Joe Budden's problematic Every time. I tell you all that I listen to that. I'm going to keep telling y'all. I know it's he's problematic, I'm sorry. I like his show and he do.
Speaker 1:He does a review of the album and his prevailing sentiment and the prevailing sentiment of his cast is the same these guys are. These guys are older than I am. They're in their 40s. Like these guys are a decade older than me. Drake is a couple of years older than me. Drake is making music, as far as I can tell, for people a decade younger than me. So imagine these people are in their 40s. They're really like yo, this is not it when. Like this is for.
Speaker 1:He was saying somebody said I think I said like this album is called for all the dogs and he's like it should be called for all the pups, this is for the babies, this is for the Yorkies, this ain't for the dogs. So Joe Budden says, and I quote he rapping for the children. I actually I hate when people like use dialect when they recite a quote, so I'm going to just read it as like as if it were in the King's English he's rapping for the children. Yo, dog, I had to look. Okay, I'm going to try. Yo, dog, I had to look up how old this nigga was when I finished listening to the album.
Speaker 1:Budden said you are 30. And he says you are. And like his Joe Budden. When he says stuff like he really is, like saying it, his voice is all it has. Like all these, like cigarette butts in it and it's gravelly and it's like yo, dog, I can't even do it. You are 36. Your birthday is in 20 days. I Googled that too. You're going to be 37 years old. Get the fuck away from some of these younger niggas and stop fucking, oh my lord, and stop fucking these 25 year olds, jesus Christ. But he's literally on the thing. Listen, I'm not here to. I'm not here to shame anybody for dating or sleeping with people younger than them Not I, I won't be the one. But Drake is. He's bragging about it on the like. He's like wants to make a point about this 21 year old and this 25 year old and it's like. So okay, let me get to some real commentary, because that the Joe Budden clip blew up. People were using it as an opportunity to dunk on both of them. Drake responded on his Instagram. He said here's here's some of the bit.
Speaker 1:Drake wrote this long diatribe about like at Joe Budden, basically trying to drag him in every way that he thought he could, which felt juvenile. Just keep it real. He says at Joe Budden, you have failed at music. You left it behind to do what you're doing in this clip because that, because this is what actually pays your bills For any artists watching this, just remember you are watching a failure.
Speaker 1:Give their opinion on his idea of a recipe for success dot dot dot A quitter. Give their opinion on how to achieve longevity. First of all, clutch pearl clutching. Do not suggest that podcasting is something that you do because you're not good at something else. Drake, I want to. I've seen your Apple shows my boy. Okay, this is not just something that anybody can do. If they're not good enough to rap nigga, like you can't do this. So, first and foremost, do not say that to Joe. I don't like that. Second, some of y'all know how I feel about quitting. Sometimes, your absolute best option on something is to fucking throw that shit over the fence and run the other direction. Cling is a wise action, I would say. 90% of the time. When something is not working for you, everything doesn't have to work for you.
Speaker 1:Joe Budden was not meant to be Drake. It was never going to happen. Like he's not Drake, he's, he's not mixed, he's not, you know, like this dude with the fucking. Like the, the, the, the Canada face and the like, the smooth skin and the whatever, like he's Joe's from Newark or some shit, like it wasn't going to happen for Joe. He found something else. Give it it. This is not a Joe Budden defense, far from it. I don't want to, I don't want to be that guy. Here's the thing you know when you, you know when somebody already felt something by how they respond to you pointing that shit out. Um, that hurt Drake, that fucked with him. That's already on Drake's mind, like I'll tell you, as somebody who drove my ass to a party the other day, who had to peel myself off the couch to do it because I'm 35 and it's very easy to just go to sleep when you're 35 on a Saturday night, like, um, I can only imagine what.
Speaker 1:When Drake takes a step back from his life, which is a blur and is the title of his con, of his uh tour it's all a blur. Um. In the rare moments where Drake actually gets to take a breather and examine his life, I'm sure already I don't have to guess that it causes him saying some anxiety, that he looks around in the rooms that he's in and the people he sees are new archetypes of the same people he was around 10 years ago. Those people are gone now, right, like the people he he shouts out his boys, those guys 40,. He lives in the woods somewhere. Like those guys, lives have evolved, they've changed. But Drake looks around the room backstage at a show and the 24 year old Instagram model who's in there with him, like there was somebody else 10 years older than him than her, who was in that same room 10 years ago. That woman has a family now. Um, the dude like the new rapper that he just found on Tik Tok to come open for him at the show, who's 19,. Like that dude is Jack Harlow now you know what I mean. Like that dude is Simba or older than that. That dude is like 30 now. The guy that was doing that for him 10 years ago I this is not. I know that. He's looking around and feeling like my life is not evolving. And this nigga, joe Budden, of all people who I already have a history with, who had, who, despite all of his flaws, like he can see and he has a voice, like he has vision and he has clarity of voice, that guy is poking at me. He's pointing out something that I already feel insecure about. You all know it.
Speaker 1:And I just looked at my black magic uh review page the other day and it's got a gazillion reviews, I don't know. Most of them are positive. It's got five stars on Amazon. It's got four and a half stars on something else, whatever.
Speaker 1:I'd never read comments I've said this before. I scrolled one time through those comments. Don't remember a single one that I read. I just remember one that said this book was really good but a little bit dry, and I'll never, probably ever, forget that one sentence, like that one fragment of the sentence. A little bit dry, because I know in my first book I was making a point so hard. It wasn't just a book, right, it was this right. It wasn't just a book. This was like me introducing myself as a person to everyone. And I was, I was, I was being insecure about wanting to represent myself in the way that was so polished and so airtight in the writing that I did take out some of the flavor, like I did I over, I over sanded the edges, like I over perfected. So I'm trying to do that differently in this book.
Speaker 1:But like the point is, when you already know something is fucked up and somebody pokes at it, it hurts so much more. And Drake already obviously knows he's the old guy at the club. And now Joe Budden of all people, like the unkiest ass Unk, is saying to him like dog, all that other shit notwithstanding, look, drake put in that same message back to Joe. He's like I got a, I got a 757 airplane and you live in the nine, five, seven area code in a modest house, like you can say all that, dog, you can have more money, you can have more whatever, a jet, you know, fancy clothes like the biggest platform, all that shit. You hit a certain age and you just realized none of that stuff matters if you're not solid and he's just he's not solid, he's and fucking he. Let Joe Budden of anybody expose that that is the case.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't know. That's it. I got no closing on that, I don't. I'm working my closings, y'all. Uh, okay, so Morgan reminds me I need to talk about sports. All right, here we go. I have two minutes to give to this because that's all I got. Next, next episode, we'll do more sports.
Speaker 1:Paul George did an interview with Taylor Rooks and I watched the clip today. A clip of the interview, and she asks him about, uh, his relationship slash beef with Devin Booker and Paul George responds he was little bro when he came in the league. Then, all of a sudden, the temperature changed, a line was passed, things got heated, he came from his end. Devin Booker certainly does have the look on his face of someone who is trying to look tough. I will say he definitely it does check out. I mean, it's Drake, ish, he, it, he, it does check out, that. He is the guy who. This is the problem. And once you lit somebody, once you play the little bro game, it is really hard to get out of that position. I'll make it specific.
Speaker 1:I was in a fraternity in college and I get I mean, I'm still in the fraternity and there's a dynamic where, you know, the older guys bring the younger guys into the thing, and then the next guys, then they bring the next guys, and so there's like, like, almost like, upperclassmen status. There's this, there's these layers of like, there's these layers of expected respect, there's these layers of the with the expectation of respect. And what's the word when you difference? That's it At some point in your life. For some guys that's literally when they're seniors or juniors in college. For some guys it's never you just like, and this happens for every civilization, for every community you're a part of. You're just like wait a second like I'm not doing these rules, like I'm not, like I'm not being deferential to somebody who's 32 when I'm 30, you know what I mean Like.
Speaker 1:But everybody doesn't do that and in fact, most people still try to uphold some form of the decorum for like forever. I'll go to homecoming in a couple of weeks and a 32 year old will come up to me and call me big bro. It's going to happen. It's happened in New York City. I got guys still who want like, who want to hold I don't know if they want to, if they feel like they have to hold on to the like, the big brother, little brother dynamic. But that dynamic stands in the way of like, actual closeness, that dynamic of you're the. You know you're the big and I'm the little, like you're the. You know that that stands in the way of actually seeing somebody as they are, and it's that's frustrating to me. There's a lot of that in Hollywood too. There's a lot of people will literally come.
Speaker 1:I had my 30th birthday at the dime in Los Angeles, and a guy who I've known since college. He's an agent. He's standing next to me, my actual agent comes up to him, my agent at the time he's not my agent anymore comes up to me and this is something that people say in entertainment in Hollywood. She throws an arm around him and she's like, she's crazy. She's like you know, I raised him. That's what people say. They literally will say of each other adults, y'all. I've seen 50 year olds do it to 45 year olds. They'll be like I raised him, which is to say I you've you've heard this, no doubt Morgan, you guys heard this. Yes, okay, it's like to say I put this person on or I gave them the info, I gave them the cheat sheet, I made this connection for them. That helped them. Do this, do that, do that. I checked in on them, whatever.
Speaker 1:Like, I raised them and I was so proud of this dude. I'm just going to say his name. I don't know how to take it. I hope he takes the right way. His name is Brandon. Brandon Lawrence B-Law.
Speaker 1:I was so proud to see his reaction to it. It was eye-opening for me. He was like he looked at her and he was just like yo, that has to end right now, like that's over with right here, like you cannot keep doing. You cannot come up to me in front of people and tell me that you raised me and he's that kind of guy. And in fact, like he's somebody who in college, like in college, like I looked up to him when I was young, you know he put me onto like the newspaper and some other stuff or whatever. But like I just love seeing somebody break the script and just be like we're not fucking doing that dumb shit. So, paul George, it may be so that quote unquote like Devin Booker was your little bro.
Speaker 1:And then you get a lot of this out of Drake's music, that same song that I played. He's talking about how, like back in the day, like rappers with little bro him I have my own memories of like these you know entertainers and shit trying to act like you're you know what I mean Like you're their pupil, you're their child or some shit. And it is true that at a certain point, when someone has reached a certain status, like a lot of times, people change that decorum and it changes your relationship. My friendships with a few dudes right now are in complete disarray because, like there came a point where I was just like you know, I can, like, I can see you, you know what I mean. Like you know, like I see who you are and I might say something to deliver that message. I might tell them like yo, you know, you're like a little bit like this. And because the decorum is broken, the big, the little bro does not tell the big bro, like you're a fuck nigga, Like you know what I mean. And once that happens, you can't go back to the original dynamic. It's gone and so it just is what it is.
Speaker 1:Paul George, like he's better than you, like you're not, you're not. Like you're really good, but like he's better than you. Now he's Devin Booker. Like he's, he's in the spot you used to be in, that he's escalating toward the thing that you wanted to be, that you were supposed to be. He's not little bro Like. And for you to even call him little bro in this interview, that's petty, like, that's small, that's trying to, that's trying to trap somebody back in who they used to be and it's just going to get worse for you, dog. That's it.
Speaker 1:Podcast P. Well, now I got three minutes to decipher who's daddy, so I put on my thing. Earlier today I said I put on my Instagram joint like ask me a question. And it's funny because I almost put this up as a poll a couple of days ago. So I don't know how much to reveal about this, but I'll just say I was at Tim's house having a conversation with two people who will not be named, about the use of the term daddy in sex and I'm going to own. I'm going to own my own shit first. Okay, what'd you say, morgan?
Speaker 3:Nothing Proceed.
Speaker 1:I'm going to own my own shit, okay. So all right, it was a ridiculous conversation and it was an intellectual conversation. That's the funny part of this whole thing. The question that was submitted to the room is like why is the use of the term daddy a thing in sex? And my own take on it is the relationship of father to children. This is just I'm going to just keep it a thousand Like.
Speaker 1:It is an awkward and in some ways like perverse relationship. It is like the relationship between person who, like, singularly did not Like carry or deliver these children to these children. It is a clumsy, awkward relationship and, like you know, people always say everybody has daddy issues, everybody has mommy issues too. But, like, much of those daddy issues oftentimes has to do with this feeling of like I have to earn this person's respect, love, connection. It's not just like embedded in our relationship in any way. There's a detachment, there's a. I see I grew up around pretty much everybody whose father wasn't around and now I see my friends being detached from their children, many of them Spicy, right. So the father relationship, the father to child relationship, generally speaking, in my opinion is a clumsy and perverse relationship. It is one where that also where the like, the power dynamic that we attached to a male figure is so like we literally call God a man, right, it's so like grossly inflated, such that we think the dad is like this super powerful, special, important being in somebody's life and we give, we give that word all this energy. And if a guy ever says to another guy like you're my son, you know what I mean, I've raised you, you know what I mean, I'm not much like extra juice on that and it's just like it's a weird word that we've given some really strange shit to and then we fucking use it in bed. We I mean that, generally speaking, people do. How do I want to say this? Now, I don't want to fucking tell you all my whole goddamn life, but I have only that is. I just want to say that's what it is. It's a, it's a weird thing. It's. I'm not king shaming, I'm just saying like it has an energy, the word has an energy.
Speaker 1:We don't say mommy in bed Like we don't. I mean somebody probably does, but like that's not a thing. I said to my friend If I told you that I was calling somebody mommy in bed, you would be, you would check on me. You'd be like is everything cool? Like are you, are you, what's going on with you and your actual mom? Like is everything okay, but like somebody called somebody else daddy in bed and most people were just like I mean, we think it's a little kinky, but we're not, like there's no major reaction to it.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, and I have only just begun to relate to the feeling of wanting to be called daddy in bed. That's what I will say, and I'm not exactly sure why I, but it's like it's just I don't know where else to go from here. So who is daddy? I don't know. The question was who is daddy? I guess, like whoever the fuck wants to be daddy, if someone else consensually wants to call them daddy at the same time, a woman is. Who brought this whole conversation on Gender's important. All right, one more, and then we gotta get out of here. How do you get past job name cloud? What does that mean, Morgan?
Speaker 3:Okay, so I expanded which was you've worked for like major namey places and people, but it's like how do you, I guess, like not let that be an influence in your career when you like wanted to go off and like do your own things or maybe like do something smaller or whatever, and maybe this is like not something you struggle with now because you're older, but like I guess, like when you were, like when you left Google yes, well like that's like Google.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:It was very cool to walk around saying you went, you worked at Google.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, morgan, if I may, it's not because I'm older, okay, first of all, because people my age are absolutely sadistically obsessed with the job on their LinkedIn title and where they used to work or what company they work at now, maybe more than they used to be, like 10 years ago. So it's not just because I'm old, it is. I'm going to tell you the real thing and not the fake thing, not the woo, woo shit. At some point in the last two years, like my name has taken on a life, like my name in in in certain communities, like it's been attached to good stuff and so it's cooler than Google. Now you know what I mean. Like it's cooler than rap shit. In fact, I think when people see me work on certain things that don't meet that standard, they're like this is beneath you on on some level. So there is a woo answer to this, which is like none of that stuff means anything, obviously, anyway, like if people are bucketing you based on where you work, maybe sometimes there's a good reason for that, which is that they're trying to like do business with you. They're trying to figure out can I get a job at Google or whatever can I do? But like if that's how a person sees you is like as the place you work at. Like Morgan, this comes as. This is not a disrespect to anything that you've been affiliated with, but like I do not. I never looked at your resume, you know what I mean. Like I never knew where you worked, what you did, but like the person had such an emanating energy and hustle spirit that I knew you were the person like. After you kept following up, it was like oh, like she's dope, you know. And now I'm like whoa, she's super dope. But like it doesn't have anything to do with like what show you worked at, or this one or that one.
Speaker 1:And I think that stuff like confuses people. I think like I think all those bells and whistles like people will use their employer or their former employer to like get my attention when they're trying to like they're people throwing a lot of shit at me right now they're trying to sell me stuff. They're trying to work together. They're trying to oh, I had an experience over the weekend where guy I've known since college I put out that message about like doing sales and you know he hit me up like yo, I know how to do sales, blah, blah. And I was like, oh bet, let's jump on the phone on a Saturday, let's jump on the phone. And you know it turned out what he really wanted to talk about was doing a podcast and that's that's life right now. And how he got my how people will get my attention and I'm trying to train my eyes on this is like they throw a shiny thing up at you.
Speaker 1:You know, it's that thing we were talking about at the beginning of this thing. They do like they do a little. They're like gambit from the X-Men. They like throw a little flaming card at you and then all of a sudden, they get your attention and your actual name is so much more meaningful. Which is why, when we had a conversation in the car I'm not going to divulge anything and you were thinking about whether or not you wanted to work on something. Like once you work on that, like your name is attached to that and like your name Morgan Williams is, so it's so sparkling right now. It's like so not, it's not to say don't make mistakes, don't fuck shit up, don't try things and they're bad, but like even if someone's name, like the Google name, google's so lame now, like I, like it was so sparkly when I went to work there. It was so like the best place in the world to work. We're now it's like. Now everybody knows it's evil. Okay, all right, shut up Me, shut up me, not you Me. Tim says he is the daddy. Okay, I think we solved it, but I'm still going to put up a poll that asks who is daddy. Well, this was an unusual show, so I'm glad Amp is out of our lives, almost because this is better. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1:This has been Nothing but Anarchy and we'll see y'all on Thursday. Please follow us on YouTube, our YouTube channel. We're going to start using it. We have, we are. We are going to be expanding our platforms and how we use them. Can you all please throw some talented people at us who want to work? That's it, all right. Nothing but Anarchy Back Thursday. You're all daddy, goodbye.
