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Nothing But Anarchy
Eps. #69 Lenny Kravitz, Ime Udoka Calling LeBron a B*tch, Ziwe, and Who is George Santos?
On this episode Chad dives into his reactions to Lenny Kravitz's Esquire interview, Rock & Roll, Ime Udoka calling LeBron James a bitch, Ziwe tweeting at George Santos, and then we play our new segment "Questions Chad Won't Answer".
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Produced by: Morgan Williams
This is Nothing but Anarchy, the show that explores and subverts sports, entertainment, media, hollywood, bunch of other stuff. Whatever you think is interesting, we do it here. Welcome to Nothing but Anarchy. All right, welcome to Nothing but Anarchy.
Speaker 1:Today we're going to talk about some things happened over this weekend. That's where I need to start here. I'm not standing, we're trying to sit down, we're trying an in between. I'm on a stool now. We're doing like an energy. We're working on my physical energy setup such that I can project, but also so that I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I was out all weekend and I'm disoriented. Okay, it's Tuesday and I can still feel that I was out all weekend, and that's that's the problem. So that's where we're going to start here, which is to say, I had the kind of weekend that I can enjoy, depending on what's going on in the rest of my life. In this particular one, I miss, I misplanned it because I said yes to everything. So I was out all weekend and in doing so, I didn't pay attention to the fact that there was the start of a new month right after said weekend, which means I am just. I'm still getting used to this rhythm where the top of the month doesn't just mean I have to pay rent, car note, insurance, utility bills, et cetera. It also means I have to pay business expenses, I have to pay people, and so the top of every month is like that, that fucking annoying feeling of writing a bunch of checks at once, in addition to all the checks that you need to live. So, coming out of a weekend that was a blur, where I said yes to everything, where I was out all weekend, where I don't even know how much money I spent, it was quite a thudding landing on Monday morning, yesterday morning, where it was like now I got to do this. So where was I at all weekend? Let's talk about it, because that's important here and, for the record, I had a good time. I had a very good time over the weekend.
Speaker 1:I saw people that I wanted to see. I saw people that I don't always get to see, like in the most celebratory atmospheres. I saw people who I've worked with, which is to say, I saw people where usually, when we're around each other, there's sort of even though we are friendly and we, you know, there's levity like there's the low hum of urgency and of commitment and of stakes underneath everything, because we're trying to get something done. I'm talking about. I saw Amanda Calper, my producer for direct deposit and also for yearbook, and we went out in Williamsburg oh, that's another thing. This weekend I was around white folks, that's. That's something else that actually, now that I have just said it out loud, I'm like, oh, that's another reason why there was an energy expenditure, because I was in, I was in white bars this weekend and in white bars when I'm around black people I'm like very open, I'm very available to connection, I'm very available to a little joke, even like an arm around the shoulder sometimes or a bump or whatever.
Speaker 1:When I'm around white people I am closed and I'm trying to stay. You know, white people don't say excuse me. So I'm standing in the bar in Williamsburg. It's a bunch of white folks and, again, like I'm there to see my friends, so I'm happy to be there with her and there's a couple friendly faces, like she knows one of the bartenders, we both know someone who manages the bar. But there's also, you know, williamsburg, white people bumping into you, not saying shit, trying to get past you to the door and you know, it sometimes feels like white people will go so far out of their way to avoid Excuse me, like they will sort of make. They will like, almost make themselves a part of the wall to slide around you rather than to just look you in the eye and say excuse me, I'm trying to get from point A to point B, but anyway, as I say it out loud, I was also in a.
Speaker 1:I was in a speakeasy in the lower east side. I was, I was outside. In the middle of all of that, I hung out with several of my black friends. We were there to celebrate Delisa, delisa Shannon. She is a writer at Rolling Stone. She had her first cover piece for Rolling Stone, her first cover story, which was in. They have a series that I think is called artists on artists and it's like artists talking or doing interviews, conversations with other artists, sort of ushered or shepherded by journalists at Rolling Stone. Delisa is one of the fast rising, you know up and coming journals slash writers, slash producers, slash on camera talent. Like you know, all these roles are now sort of hybrid because all of these journals, all of these, like you know, historically written mediums are transitioning into a digital era where they need, they have to reach people at all dimensions of connection. The same is what we have to do in this show.
Speaker 1:Anyway, delisa Delisa is my real friend. I see Delisa probably once or twice at least a week, because I'm always at her and Tim's house kicking it, watching football. They feed me a lot. They are good people. I've been through some stuff in the last few months and they have been among everybody, like they have probably been there for me the most of everybody, like the most available, the most intentional, the most checking in the most, but also like not aggressively, annoyingly checking in, just like they just been there. They've been. They have been a demonstration of what community is supposed to be, in my opinion, and community can be rare in New York City. So, all to say, we're at brunch celebrating Delisa with a few of her very other close friends who are also my friends, who are friends why I'm still getting to know but friends who are, I think, are cool people. Point is we drink a lot of alcohol there, just as I had the night before and just as I would go on to later on that night. We eat a lot of food there, a lot of delicious food, but we are there to celebrate Delisa's cover store. I'm going somewhere with this.
Speaker 1:Delisa's cover story is her conversation with Lil Yachty and Tiara Wack. It's a cover story for Rolling Stone. When I go to read the cover story on Friday, when it comes out, I click the links that Instagram is pointing me toward. I find my way to Rolling Stone and boom slam. In my face is a paywall which I did not know was going to be there, which I made a video about, which I may have forgotten was going to be there, because I have been close to other people who worked at Rolling Stone, but I probably was turned away by that paywall before.
Speaker 1:So usually, when faced with a paywall, what I do is ask a friend who has a subscription, like all of you all do can you send me, can you copy paste, send me the text from the story so I can read it? Or, in very, very few, seldom cases, I will pay for a subscription to said thing. However, I cannot do that for Rolling Stone, because the CEO of Rolling Stone is a fuckboy and I was reminded I couldn't even remember exactly why I couldn't pay for a subscription to Rolling Stone when I was faced with that paywall, but my fingers wouldn't do it, and that reminded me that there's a reason why your fingers won't do it, chad. Why is that reason? And then I got lost focus and got distracted. But then when I was on my way to brunch in Tribeca, which is far away from where I live in Queens, I had time to think about oh shit, you're going to go see Delisa. You need to make sure you have read this piece by the time you see Delisa, because if you talked about the piece, you don't want to be fake. You don't want to pretend as though you've read the piece when you haven't.
Speaker 1:So I went back to go look at the piece again and then, bam again paywall. I was like oh yeah, that's why you didn't read it. That is how distracted my brain can be. Also sometimes is I quickly forget things that have happened. Morgan nods and smiles yes, that's true. Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1:You agree, okay, I'll confirm that's because I don't know who knows why. It's because, but I think it's because I have a lot of thoughts swirling all at once and I'm trying to manage where they all each go, but it is. I am exhausted by that right now. By the way Also that's another reason why I'm sitting is because I had this crazy weekend. I did not take a second to like sit in my apartment or sit in my house with my doggy and reset and take a walk and just like cook a meal, sit down, have coffee, think, read, listen to music, like I didn't do it, and so I I forgot. I'm going to come back to the Rolling Stone thing, I promise.
Speaker 1:But when I'm up and when I'm like moving and I'm feeling good and I'm in flow, as I have been probably the last six or so episodes of this show, I forget that so much of why I'm in that state is because I am taking care of my person. Like me, I'm, I'm working out, I'm not drinking a ton of alcohol, I am sitting down and reading or taking a walk or minding my business. For you know, a whole day of a weekend I am watching sports, laying on my back doing nothing, several nights in a row, like whatever it is. Like I find ways to get the, the meditation and the stillness and the recovery in, and I didn't do it this weekend and so I forgot that. Like that affects my whole ecosystem, it affects everything, cause, like, if I'm not straight, if I'm not cool, if I'm not like good, then a lot of other stuff doesn't happen. Right, it doesn't happen the same way. Decisions don't get made as quickly, creative decisions don't get made with the same confidence. I don't promote and market the way that I'm supposed to, because I don't feel as like excited about being in front of people and that's it's not good. But it's a reminder that, like, even when quote unquote doing nothing, this is like an every single day job, like this is an everyday commitment. This I don't mean just like anarchy, I just mean independence is an every fucking day job, because the thing that wants to take independence away from you is also working every single fucking day at doing so and it has compounding interest.
Speaker 1:All right, so haven't read the Rolling Stones piece, rolling Stone piece. Jesus, I just very blackified the name Rolling Stone. Haven't read the Rolling Stone piece, even though I want to and also am certain that it's great. The reason is because of the paywall. Now, normally I would pay. I'm walking toward a conundrum, walking toward an impasse here. Normally I would just pay, but there's muscle memory in my body that tells me that don't pay for a subscription to Rolling Stone. Why Morgan sends me, I think last night. When did you send me this Lenny Kravitz piece?
Speaker 2:It was yesterday.
Speaker 1:You sent me yesterday this Lenny Kravitz story. In what publication? In?
Speaker 2:Esquire In.
Speaker 1:Esquire. I click it and open it. Thankfully no paywall. It is long. First thing, I do take stock of who wrote this thing, Because the reason that it came up is because Morgan told me black people are mad at Lenny Kravitz.
Speaker 2:Well, he was just trending on Twitter for a quote or something he said in the interview about black media.
Speaker 1:That's what I said.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, okay, what I said black people. That's what you said. I said black media.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, I'm sorry. People with black avatars on Twitter are tweeting about Lenny Kravitz and the summation or the headlining thing that jumps off the page is Lenny Kravitz said something to the effect of black media and black award shows. Do not celebrate me properly, is that fair to say? I read the whole piece, by the way, so I'm paraphrasing, but like, that's pretty much what he was saying and, honestly, in one very small part of this entire interview, that's what was said, but that's, of course, what surfaced and rose to the thing Something else that was said, oh, by the way. So I go and read, I go and look for who wrote this thing. Before I even wanna know anything about how blackness is contextualizing this piece, I have to go and look at who wrote it, and it's a white woman, right, white woman.
Speaker 2:Madison yep.
Speaker 1:What's your first name? Madison, madison, that gave it away. But I checked and indeed I scrolled down to the bottom. There's a picture of Madison right there, white woman. Okay, so I gotta do that, no matter what, if I read some shit, I have to know who wrote. My dad made me always do it when I was a little kid. Whoever writes it, you gotta go figure out who wrote it. And now we especially have to figure out who writes some shit, because sometimes we're gonna go see who wrote it and it's gonna be a robot and that's important for us to know. So I read this whole piece, this whole Linnie Kravitz thing, whole piece. And it's for roll out, for an album. I assume that's the only reason why he's even doing an interview. Right, he has this album. The album is called is it called Electric? What's it called? Blue Electric Light, Blue Electric Light. Thank you, morgan. But here's what I found in this piece that I thought was interesting. This is a quote. This is a pulled quote from the piece In Esquire by Madison who.
Speaker 2:Vane.
Speaker 1:Vane, but asking him if he's aware of recent racist and misogynistic comments from Rolling Stone founder and former editor in chief, jan Wiener. That I pronounced that man's name, jan Wiener, and Kravitz sits up, quote unquote. Very much so, he says for those catching up, while promoting his new book, the Masters. This man's book is the Masters, called the Masters. That's crazy. Touted as a quote unquote visit to the Mount Olympus of Rock, wiener said in an interview with the New York Times that the reason all seven of his subjects are white men is that there aren't any women or artists of color quote unquote articulate enough on the subject to speak about it. When the Times gave him an opportunity to rephrase what he said, wiener doubled down. All right, the piece reminded me why I cannot pay money to Rolling Stone, because this person, who no doubt gets money every single time somebody signs up for a subscription to Rolling Stone, whether directly or some pathway of equity and value and net worth, he profits from that and badly. As I want to go and read my friend's piece, which I know I will now have to get from somebody else, I can't do it because I cannot, my fingers cannot give money to Jan Wiener. Now, I'm not an idiot and I'm not a saint and I'm not pretending to be one. Of course, I know I give my money to bad people all the time. Duh, I said multiple times over the weekend. It came up at this exact brunch that I'm referencing. The question came up if the world was going to blow up in so many words, if the world was going to go away earth and the choices were go, move to Amazon planet and be Jeff Bezos' bitch or die, I said I would choose Amazon planet and be Jeff Bezos' bitch. Come already that I already worked for Jeff Bezos, like I already give him all my money. What's the difference? I get it. I give my money to bad people all the time, but that's not the point. The point is, in this particular case, this person who is responsible for founding member, a chief officer at, at some point, an important quote, unquote journal, as someone who values writing, as someone who is a writer, as someone who cares about words and language and the effects that they have on society and the moments that they can create, I can't give my money to this person. Now, this is not new. This story about Jan Wiener is not a new story. But what was particularly heinous about what I read in this interview by Lenny Kravitz is that, or about Lenny Kravitz, is that Lenny Kravitz is a friend to this person. Lenny Kravitz has been in this person, he has taken vacations with this person. Their families have meshed together as friends.
Speaker 1:And this person says the reason all seven of his subjects are white men is that there aren't any women or artists of color articulate enough on the subject to speak about it. Okay, he's saying a couple things that are annoying to me, that are hurtful to me, that I hate. One of those things has come up in my life twice in the last year, which is specifically two different white guys with whom I had a relationship, with whom I have kind interminglings or whatever, use the word articulate to describe me or other black people who are close to me. That's really annoying. We've been over this one societally, but just to say it out loud for anybody who that's news to some black folks take offense at being named articulate, because I guess my own reaction to it is like well, I live in America, we speak English here. Why the fuck would I not know? Why would I not know how to put my thoughts to language precisely, with precision, like that's what articulation is. Of course I know how to do that. Why would I not know how to do that? Now, what I think this dude is saying here is like not exactly that. Not that there are none who could precisely offer their thoughts on this subject matter with some level of exactation, I made that word up but I think what he's actually saying is, like I just didn't care to get any of their opinions, like I just don't respect or value what they have to say about this.
Speaker 1:Like this is rock man, this is for white boys. I think that's what he's saying, and so I'm gonna go talk to my white boys about it, cause, like age, authority, status, whatever, like white boys are gonna be white boys all the way up until they are 100 years old or deceased. Right, you start off around six years old. They start being assholes and telling people what to do, and telling their Kenyan babysitter outside, right outside this studio, like in Park Slope, like being kind of rude to them and seeing that they that it works for them, and they continue on that path until they're dead. That's like that has been my observation. That's what I've seen in the world around me. If you think I'm wrong. Explain it to me, help me see it differently. Go look at history and then help me see it differently. So this guy's doing white boy shit.
Speaker 1:Now, why I'm particularly charged up about this particular person is because, like I said, I have been close to a bunch of people who have worked at Rolling Stone black people and if I know anything, as someone who has worked at white boy companies, if I know anything about how the culture of white boy shit trickles down and affects other people who are not white boys, it is that it is always traumatic, like it always fucks us over by us. I mean, literally take that little piece, carve that out. That's white boys. Everybody else gets shadow on somehow or another. We're not. I'm reminding you guys, I was at two white bars this weekend, so I'm a little turned up. Literally nothing happened to me, but I just was. I just felt the feeling that I don't like to feel, which is like people are moving too aggressive around me, they're being handsy, they're talking to me in a way that I don't like, they're bumping into me, so like I have that on me.
Speaker 1:Then I read this shit and then I was really mad. I was like, damn, this thing. I couldn't even call Linnie fucking Kravitz to ask him what he thinks about whatever dumb shit he has in his book. So I can't read. Damn, I didn't even think I was gonna yell in here. I can't even read my friend's story because to get to it I have to give this guy money. I have to empower this person with my $12 a month worth of votes for his bullshit, for him to continue to be a dickhead, and every $12 that he gets every month, or however much it costs for a subscription to Rolling Stone I have absolutely no idea how much it costs Like that just builds the snowball of more and more and more and more of this guy's dumb ass voice and way of seeing the world so that he can impart it on the rest of us. Yes, morgan, were you about to say something? Oh, I thought you had a hand raised.
Speaker 2:When have I ever raised my hand? I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's why I was like what I was like interesting. That's why I said, yes, morgan, like fucking teacher, and I feel like a teacher on this stool. So I wanna get more into the Linnie Kravitz piece because that's not even really the point of the thing. But go, I guess. Go check out my friend Lisa's piece, the cover story from Friday on Rolling Stone, If you already have a subscription, and if you do, send it to me. Thank you, okay. What else is in this Linnie Kravitz story? There's a bunch of shit in this Linnie Kravitz story.
Speaker 1:When I see features about artists like Linnie Kravitz, like my ears do prick up because it's not like he does a bunch of interviews, not like you hear his voice all the time. And the thing about Linnie Kravitz for me is this like I understand him to be culturally important in some way. I could not pinpoint for you what exactly that culture importance is, and part of it is this. Part of it regards like this whole world of rock and roll and how it is gate kept by white guys. I don't feel particularly welcome over there. Like black folks created rock and roll, white folks put a paywall on it. Now I have to pay a paywall to fucking go experience rock and roll. Here's how the paywall works in other ways.
Speaker 1:I went to a Gary Clark Junior concert in Denver, colorado. I said that earlier on. This show, beautiful venue, honestly breathtaking venue, incredible, very talented artist. I'm not a fan because I'm not like a fan of the genre, but I do like some of his music. All white people Like black man doing rock and roll. Black man in the 80th row, that's me and in between us a sea of drunk white people To the point where and I said this before I left that concert early so that I would not have to wade through drunk white people the way that I have had to at an Eagles game or at a Williamsburg bar. Like, I don't enjoy that experience, I avoid it when I can. So I left early because I wanted to get my Uber back from it's kind of like 30 minutes out of the city back to my boys place in Denver, instead of having to literally like fight for my life through all these drunk white folks. So, by the way, welcome everybody who's here from yearbook.
Speaker 1:What I felt and saw at that Gary Clark Jr concert was I'm watching an artist who is fantastic at his craft, who has worked his ass off for it, who pours his heart out into the universe. I can see it coming out of him. I can see that it's real and it's vulnerable, and the people who have chosen him and who are connecting to it, at least in this venue. I don't want to speak to all of his fans. It's a sea of white people and I, as an artist, as somebody who likes to be in front of an audience or likes to reach an audience by way of writing and speaking and other mediums, like I, in some ways related to what he was going through up there or what I was projecting on it, judged what he was going through and doing up there and then, I guess, just observed. The relating part is, I think, if you are an artist and you are, which means you are probably a sensitive person you are aware of these moments where you notice who is responding to and affected by your product, your art. I, of course, in this particular moment, notice how many white people I am hearing from and seeing respond to something that I've put out in the world in your book.
Speaker 1:That guy. In an even more direct way, he is standing on a stage and staring out at faces. So, even much more directly. There is this energy exchange between him and whiteness that he must be aware of and he must choose every single day. Lennie Kravitz talks about in this story the fact that between show nights he has to basically go completely dark, doesn't hang out, doesn't go outside, doesn't drink, doesn't go to dinner, just goes home and shuts the blinds, goes totally dark in a cave, like because he has to get his energy back and right to get right back in front of that same audience, which is Lennie Kravitz y'all. I think that audience probably looks a lot like this guy's audience Gary Clark Juniors and I and I like. As I read this piece that was describing Lennie Kravitz life in his own words, I felt like I was reading about someone. Morgan, tell me if you saw something different there. I don't want to project on him that he's lonely, but he certainly seems alone.
Speaker 2:Well, he talked about also like he really really likes people, like he's a really big people person and from like that he's always seeking love. But that, yeah, it does have like a lonely undertone.
Speaker 1:He loves being around people and I've seen, I've heard and read this and seen this in other sort of superstars, like Manny Pacquiao famously used to have. He was to like get the whole top floor of a hotel, all the suites, and have all the doors open and he would sleep among like 50 to 100 people who he would have all there staying with him, just because he couldn't stand to be alone. It sounds from this piece like Lennie Kravitz used to have as an example. Zoe Kravitz tells a story about, I think, what she was in her early 20s maybe or no a teenager like 15. She's in her dad's place and there's a woman sitting there and she just assumes it's like probably like some woman that her dad has hanging around and I guess he pops up and he doesn't know who the fuck she is either. And so then she realizes like, oh, my dad just has like an open door where people can just like vaguely come in and out of his life, because he just can't say no to people and he just wants people around. But what I saw in this story that reminded me of the Gary Clark Jr thing that reminds me of just like the larger.
Speaker 1:I was in a bar on Friday with a friend and, while I felt connected to her as my friend, I did not feel connected to anybody else. I actually, in some moments, felt unsafe because of how people were moving around me. I wish I was being extreme, but a lot of people know exactly what I'm talking about, which is why the bars look the way that they do, which is why it's not just vibes, it's not just like oh, I just want the vibe, so I'm over here, instead of over here Like the why do all the black kids sit at the cafeteria table together? Thing, like that is a real thing. It's not vibe. You can't have no vibes if you don't feel safe. Like you can't have them. And so, as I read this piece, one thing I learned about Lenny Kravitz. I keep saying, as I learned this piece because I read it and I'm so proud of myself because I can read, I also learned that Lenny Kravitz's father, a white man, left him, rejected him and his mom, and I just I imagine as I like craft the character. I'm reading the story, I'm crafting the character together.
Speaker 1:This writer has presented the version of Lenny Kravitz that she thinks the world should see, and I'm reading between the lines of what she has presented here and seeing what I see, because she cut out other things that Lenny Kravitz said. That's how you do an interview. She cut out other pieces of his life, other pieces of his story. She presented what she wanted to present and what I saw.
Speaker 1:There is a person who seems alone and I think a part of why he might feel alone or I can't say what he feels, I can say what it looks like and he does comment on like he does comment on being in a place where he realizes he has pushed people away. At least that much is specifically clear. I don't know if he ever had a chance to not be alone by being a superstar in this particular genre. Like this genre gate keeps. This genre throws up the paywall that keeps the black folks out. The paywall for me in Denver was like if you want to see Gary Clark Jr, you will have to sit in a sea of drunk white people and that means by yourself. Like you could bring a friend, I guess, if you want. But like that means you don't know what the fuck can happen to you while you're out there trying to enjoy Gary Clark Jr, which means you cannot fully enjoy Gary Clark Jr. I don't even know if Gary Clark Jr can enjoy that experience.
Speaker 1:Okay, I have other things to say about Lenny Kravitz, because there's a lot here, because the other thing about Lenny Kravitz is there is no. There's no way to say this without somebody thinking it's a cheeky way to poke at me, but I'm just going to say what it is. Obviously, people compare all slight in nature, light skin niggers with dreads to Lenny Kravitz. Okay, like that is something that I've gotten from multiple different people over the last six years working in entertainment. They make jokes about you being Lenny Kravitz's kid. They make jokes about you being, you know, willow Smith or the third Smith child. Like all light skin, all slight, all little light skin niggers with dreads. They want to compare to the same people Lenny Kravitz and what's the other little guy's name from Gronish.
Speaker 2:Oh, Marcus Shribner.
Speaker 1:No, luca Sabat. I have always watched Lenny Kravitz and thought to myself, like what does the Rockstar life mean for? Like, not like the Rockstar life, like we have now co-opted the Rockstar life and given it to like rap stars and like you know, even people will call you know, a big time CEO or whoever. Like a Rockstar, I mean like truly an actual Rockstar, like somebody who hangs out with, like you two and you know, who plays a guitar and has a leather jacket with no shirt on underneath it. This guy is an actual Rockstar. That's who he is. What does that life actually look like for black people? For a black person? And I felt led into it by this piece again through this particular woman's. What's the word? Lens? Lens, thank you, duh. And it just didn't look fun, it just looked. It just looked.
Speaker 1:I think we've I mean, lenny Kravitz says it himself like we have sort of glamorized the whole Lenny Kravitz, zoey Kravitz, lisa Bonet Triangle and then like all of their offshoots, like Lisa Bonet and Jason Momoa and Zoey Kravitz and whoever is like she's with at the time, and even him and his love interest and how they're like a family, but they're not together and all this and he's just, and he says himself, he feels like people have hyper glamorized their way of living in a way that he doesn't totally understand. It's just like, of course I'm going to be nice to you know, zoey's mom, like that's the mother of my daughter, like we're family, of course I'm going to be welcoming to her new husband. I mean, like you know what I mean, like what else am I going to do? And I think we have, like I think we have sort of projected something onto Lenny Kravitz. Morgan says move on from this, I will, I'm going to. I actually need to say the thing about the Black Award shows, so I'm going to land there.
Speaker 1:Last thing I'm going to say is about the award shows. We talked about award shows last time we were in here. Lenny Kravitz, in a pretty throwaway line in this piece, says something to the effect of he feels like he has not been celebrated properly by Black Award shows, and then he went back on the internet later and cleaned it up a little bit, I think, because there was some backlash. And the truth of what I feel there is I do not feel a connection to Lenny Kravitz, not like a real one, like I don't. I don't think I don't. I don't know if he chose this, but the music that he makes is largely, at least in the last 20 years, like not really a part of Black Awards show culture, like it's not a part of the stuff that Black Awards shows like be, it's not over there, so I don't know. He speaks also to being pushed out of the boys club in rock and roll and there was an article, there was an interview that came out years ago about is Lenny Kravitz.
Speaker 2:If Lenny Kravitz were white, he would be the next savior of Rock and Wool.
Speaker 1:And the response to that was very negative, right. The response to that was or I guess what the point was being made was like he cannot be the savior of Rock and Wool because he is not white, right? And I think therefore he finds himself squeezed in this little middle area where he doesn't feel completely embraced by Rock and Wool and the whiteness around it, he doesn't feel completely embraced by Black music celebrations, and so he's kind of like in no Man's man, like he's not in the middle of rock and roll, and so he's kind of like in no Man's man land, and that's what the whole thing just felt like. So it wasn't a feel good piece, but go check it out. It's on Esquire, written by Madison who Vane, vane, okay, thank you.
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Speaker 1:Nothing but anarchy pod at gmailcom. All right, do it. Let's talk about Aimee Odoka and LeBron James. So for anybody who doesn't know who I'm able to Odoka is, I was describing him to my sister a couple of days ago, formerly well, I mean, he remains Neil Long's baby's daddy, formerly her partner no longer, it seems. He was the coach of the Boston Celtics two years ago when they made a run to the NBA championship in his first year as their coach Believe it was coach of the year.
Speaker 1:There was some scandal that took place in the Boston Celtics organization where allegedly he had relations with somebody in the organization, a woman. The details have been left quite opaque so we don't know who or how many people it was. There are rumors that it was one of the owner's wives, we just don't know. But regardless, aimee Odoka is a former NBA player.
Speaker 1:I have done some reading about his upbringing and the fact that his father who I believe wasn't immigrant, but don't quote me on that from I think that they're Nigerian he was the type of fellow who would get service jobs, and Morgan nods that they are indeed Nigerian. His dad would get service jobs working as a custodian or a security guard or a fix-it-man or whatever, and he just couldn't hold a job because anytime his boss spoke to him disrespectfully he would, there would be an incident, he would push back or he would quit. So I say that to say I believe Aimee Odoka was raised to not stand disrespect and if you look at him for two seconds you can see that on his visage. Is it visage or visage, who knows? Anybody.
Speaker 2:Visage.
Speaker 1:We don't know. Visage. All right, he looks stern. He reminds me of a couple people who I've known my basketball coach a little bit, juan Dixon a little bit. Just in the face there's a look of seriousness on the face and he is also and it should be mentioned he's a very handsome person and he has a presence that is stern and simmering. In his press conferences he talks kind of like under his, he talks under his. He doesn't project really, he's like kind of like grumbling, but he's great at his job and he has the Rockets playing well.
Speaker 1:The Rockets, by most accounts, I think, were projected to finish like in the bottom three of the NBA and they're floating around 500. And the Rockets have one of my new favorite players, dylan Brooks, because Dylan Brooks is always poking at LeBron James and I think that is what you're supposed to do with LeBron James. So and I promise you I am not about to do a LeBron James slander segment who I'm here for today are LeBron James fans, because I think that's who really is the problem here. So let me just tell you all what happened between Imae and LeBron Rockets are playing two of the you Rockets are playing like there's two of the younger players. I think it's Jayse on Tate Is that his first name? Jayse on last name is Tate, for sure. And Kam Reddish, two of the youngest players on both teams.
Speaker 1:They get into like a really tiny little, just like bumping each other, talking some shit, whatever, and then like a couple little other squirmishes, like skirmishes not even skirmishes, just like moments of tension, are starting to happen among other teammates on the court. There's a little bit of like guys posturing like they're gonna do something. It's clear, nobody's gonna do anything. Dylan Brooks goes and immediately finds LeBron James and just stands in front of him, which is like I just love it so much, it makes me giddy.
Speaker 1:And somehow or another, lebron and Imae Odukka end up next to each other and they're having at like a very reasonable you know decibel level, like they're not yelling, they're not like gesturing, they're not doing it, they're just talking and you can tell their talk there like they're having some serious conversation. The referee there's a white guy referee standing between them and he's just listening to them, listening, listening, listening. And then finally something said and he's like all right, that's it. Technical for you, lebron. Imae Odukka. Technical for you. That's your second tech, you're out. He throws him out of the arena. Later on, the audio leaks leaks I don't know where it came from of what was actually said and Odukka says something he says. Do you have the quote in front of you? Can you read the quote please?
Speaker 2:Stop crying like bitches man. And then LeBron was like we're all grown men, that bitch eight word ain't cool. And then Odukka says soft ass boy, stop bitching, act like you're gonna do something. There was like other things, but that was like the main quotes.
Speaker 1:That were Odukka is saying in so many words, no, not in so many words. He's saying exactly I said what I said. You're acting like a bitch. Stop acting like you're gonna do something, because I know you're not. That's it like. Just shut up and walk away from me, or listen, these are the rules of basketball. Okay, this is a rule, no matter where you play basketball at. This is a rule.
Speaker 1:You can say so many things. You can call somebody so many different words. You can talk so crazy about somebody to somebody. If you use the B word, you are drawing a line in the sand. You are saying, either either you have to fight me now or you are indeed the thing that I have called you, and those are the only. I'm leaving you with no options, that's it. There's no other way out of this. It's one or the other.
Speaker 1:Now I am not because I'm not. I'm Odukka, right. So I am not here to call LeBron the B word. I don't even feel that way about LeBron. I wanna be very clear about that. I think, as far as I can tell, like few to none of these people who have made it atop this particular prism, which is competitive sports like these guys are not bitches in my opinion. That's not how I see them. I'm Odukka obviously sees LeBron James that way. I'm Odukka stands in a different place to look at such a person in that way than I do, so I'm going by what he's saying. He's saying, lebron, y'all crying like bitches, you're acting like a bitch. Stop it, just stop it Now. And LeBron says in a politician's voice we're all grown men here, like we don't do that thing, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like he honestly is being mature about it. Would you guys agree with that? That? His response was sort of mature. I agree, morgan, we should agree.
Speaker 2:And he also says like, don't say, like, we don't use that loosely.
Speaker 1:We don't throw that around right Now. That part's a little bit annoying to me because it's like who are you? You're not the fucking president of the goddamn players of social like. You don't make the rules for how we talk to each other on the basketball court. I'm, odukka is a coach. He was also an NBA player. I believe he was also a champion on the San Antonio's birds. Like I've been around basketball, like I know what we talk about. That's what I'm a Odukka is thinking, whatever. But none of that, none of that is the point. Here's the real point.
Speaker 1:I sent that clip to all my LeBron fans, each all my LeBron fan friends individually, right, and with maybe one exception, all of their responses were some version of like they didn't think it was funny, they didn't, they didn't like, they didn't like. They didn't even want to spend any time exploring it because of the way that it makes LeBron James look, which is like as kind of a narc, like as kind of a Karen, as kind of a herb, like they didn't, they didn't like it and so they just want to just move on from it, right? And so what I spent some time thinking about over the last few days is just like the LeBron James fan experience. I can't believe that people have opted into it over and over and over again because it just can't be fun. Like I send you this clip.
Speaker 1:This is like the clip that we all wait for is to actually hear two guys on a basketball court call each other a bitch, like we. We are so ready and excited to get that clip. Finally, I send it to these people and like they don't even want to talk about it, like they don't even think, they want to, like cover their eyes about it, and I just I feel like that's been the LeBron James experience so many more times than the opposite. Like where have the super fun moments of the LeBron James experience been for the fans to keep choosing to be LeBron James fans, even when he won the NBA championship? Like he made it cringe. I'm sorry I'm making it above LeBron again.
Speaker 2:I want to keep it about the fans.
Speaker 1:Like I want to keep it about the fans, but I mean, he made it like he yelled, like the thing that he yelled about like this is Cleveland, this is for you, and like it's just where. Where was the fun part for y'all? Like, where was the part where it was like? And what I started realizing was like this is about Stockholm syndrome, this is about sunken cost. This is about, like, once people have invested now they have invested 20 years of the LeBron James career fan experience and I think once they got to like the year four, they felt like they couldn't turn the car around, to the point where, 20 years in now, they are dead inside. Like they see this clip and they don't even think it's funny. Like why can't, you can't have any fun with LeBron James being called a bitch by a coach for the other team. Like you can't, you can't even sit in it for two seconds. Enough of that. Well, that's how I feel. I just think it's sad, man. I think it's, I just think it's dead. I just think it's so. I just think it's so lifeless.
Speaker 1:Okay, moving on, the 49ers and the San Francisco 49ers and the Philadelphia Eagles played football on Sunday at four o'clock 425 pm and something happened on the sidelines. Are you familiar with this?
Speaker 3:Of course I am. Are you familiar with this oh?
Speaker 1:are you an Eagles fan?
Speaker 3:No, no, I'm, even though I'm from the area, it's the most Philly fan thing.
Speaker 1:It was quite Philly. Ever Did you see this? No, okay, so the Eagles got stomped. The Niners came to there. There was so much fanfare and build up for this game. It was like the two best teams at NFC might be the two best teams in NFL. Last year, when the Eagles knocked the Niners out of the playoffs, the Niners didn't have their quarterback, brock Purdy. So the Niners are like coming. They're all excited about we're going to show these guys up in their own arena. Obviously, the Eagles are talking chip before the game. You're not coming through here, you're going to win. I have been to an Eagles game. It's crazy in there. Y'all Like it is. It feels like being in. It feels like being in a gladiator arena. Like that's the level of like blood lust. Am I exaggerating?
Speaker 3:Oh hell, no, can I tell a quick story. When I was a kid I used to be a Dallas Cowboys fan. I got off that narcotic a long time ago. And I'm not a fan of really any team. I just like watching good games. But my dad was worried about me because I wore my Cowboys jersey to the old stadium the veteran stadium, which was some people will say was even crazier than the new stadium and let's just say I had to turn my jersey inside out. As a kid I got shit thrown at me.
Speaker 1:Yes, and yeah, yes, I have told the story here you got shit thrown. And when you said you got shit thrown at you, for the first moment that you said it I thought you meant literal shit.
Speaker 3:Because I wouldn't have been surprised. Yeah, people grown folks through stuff at a child.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So there's this point in the NFL season and it really does happen around the last week of November to the first week of December and it's so fun. It gets cold outside, it gets dark early. So these afternoon games it's like 430 in Philly and it's dark, it's like nighttime, it's cold, the fans are drunk, so drunk They've been drinking. They probably start drinking as soon as they woke up. So they're pretty much blacked out is what my guess is. They're yelling terrible obscenities at the other team, the 49ers, and the 49ers are.
Speaker 1:My team is the Vikings, but if the Vikings can't go anywhere this year, I really hate to say this out loud, but a part of me is going to be rooting for the 49ers because they are fucking tough guys. They are like the thing that you want from football is what you get from Trent Williams, devoe Samuels, even Christian Mc little Christian Mc, I mean, he's not little like Christian McAfrey, the running back I'm not ready to go there yet with Brock Purdy, but like Josh not Josh Norman, the middle linebacker's name, I can't remember right now Drey Greenlaw and that's what we're talking about right now.
Speaker 3:You talking about Warner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's Fred?
Speaker 3:Warner.
Speaker 1:Fred Warner. Tough guys, they're tough guys Like. They come to your stadium and they just beat you into submission, and that's what they were doing to the Eagles and then the most Philadelphia Eagles. Shit happened. Which is a play finds its way to the sidelines.
Speaker 1:I think Drey Greenlaw, who is the outside linebacker for the Niners, who is one of the I mean by their own admission he is the hardest hitter on the team is what they say. He's on the sideline he runs into not runs into him literally, but like he is face to face with an Eagles, the head of Eagles security, which is this big ass gentleman, I guess is what I'll call him bald headed, big, like a 400 pound dude, like tall, big. He's face to face with Drey Greenlaw, who is also huge, and he says something to Drey Greenlaw and he touches him and Drey Greenlaw like points, like his finger and like pokes his face with it. Not like poked him, poked him, but like hand to face. And now Drey Greenlaw, a football player, and the Eagles head of security, who should not be next to the field, both get kicked out of the arena, get kicked out of the stadium while the fans are cheering crazily, and it's like it's just this feeling of it's like it's like WWE at this point, like the game has not been played for like 20 minutes. You're just watching people going crazy, cheering, roaring, yelling, screaming, cursing to get Drey Greenlaw kicked out and then mad booing about the security guard getting kicked out, and then something clicks for the Niners, like something snaps, Like they may be up by a score at that point and they just like roll over the Eagles for the rest of the game.
Speaker 1:And I guess the only thing that I'm really here to say is the juxtaposition between the Bron James Going to Imae O'Doca and saying we don't use that B word here. And what I witnessed in the football game is like everything that is different between those two sports and why I was built to Play basketball and not football. Hi morgues, you're so funny, we're gonna. Everything you do is funny.
Speaker 1:I don't know why but you, literally you start laughing as soon as you pick up the phone.
Speaker 2:I told you I left out, like everything.
Speaker 1:Okay, morgan. So, morgan, do you want to read our text exchange from last night to set this up? Did you already have a setup in mind here?
Speaker 2:No, no, that's great, that's a great start.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Um. So I texted you Saying do you know who George Sanchez is? You said mmm, sounds familiar, but not really why. I said Chad, I really need you to watch the news more. And I said he's a horrible person who is formerly a New York rep for the because of representatives, and this whole thing came out with Z way tweeting at him that she wants to interview him and he said let's do it.
Speaker 1:Yes, you did, and when you asked me if I knew who George Santos was, I Thought it was someone that I went to high school with, who had sent you an email with photos of us from high school.
Speaker 2:So that's leaving that, when you said, sounds familiar. Yeah it wasn't even like you'd read the news.
Speaker 1:It wasn't him. I mean, now that you guys said the the thing with the, you guys told me some of his bona fides and now it rings a bell. Okay but you after that you sent me like an article and like all these words and I was like Morgan, you should just set it up tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yes, please. Okay. So for context, for anyone who might not know who George Santos is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're out there. We are out there there they exist.
Speaker 2:Um, he was the United States representative for the third district of New York and he was just expelled from Congress on Friday, um, because he has just lied, stolen, cheated, just done everything like under the Sun. Um, so if his more iconic lies include that he played college volleyball, that he went, took offense to that. I did that. He went to Bay Roach College and then also got his. Mba from NYU, that's what you're which are true. What Baruch Baruch? Sorry.
Speaker 1:I thought you said Bay Ridge College. I was like there's a Bay Ridge College continue.
Speaker 2:That he founded an animal charity, that his grandparents died in the Holocaust, that he did not dress as a drag queen.
Speaker 1:Wait, that one was a lie. He did do that one.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, he said, but he said he didn't and there's video of it.
Speaker 2:And yeah, and then, like a bunch of footage came out and stole money from people that donated to his Campaign, all of the things. So, anyway, somebody posted on or tweeted that a picture, a picture with Z way and George Santos and put them next to each other and was like an interview. This interview would be, would irreversibly change the course of history. And Z way responded my literal dream. Then she tweeted at Santos and was like Would you be interested in a pay-per-view interview? You'd be an iconic guest. And then he tweeted back saying let's do it.
Speaker 2:And I said, yes, that, because everybody was like this would be an iconic interview and it would, and so many people would tune in and it would be way more Interesting than like a 60 minutes interview or literally any any other like normal Political interview. And I said that that just shows like the power of Z ways brand Cuz her show got cancelled, like I as of now I don't know like what else she has in the works in terms of what she's doing next, but her name carries some. Her name and brand carries so much weight that like she can go off and do whatever she wants on her own. And so I said Chad, what do you think about like personal brand, because you always say you don't have one, but I said you do okay, all right.
Speaker 1:There's so many things to examine here and I Don't know if I always say I don't have what. I probably said that once.
Speaker 2:I feel like you've said it twice.
Speaker 1:Okay, thank you, all right. So all right, there's a few things to examine here. I want to make sure we land at that same landing point. You just shared a lot. Let's start at the top.
Speaker 1:I Do not know the news. I Don't know the news, I only really know whatever. Now, it's like what my sister tells me, what Morgan tells me, that's it. I don't know the news, I don't know the news and I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to be anything Like. This is just how I am. This is how I live my life. Um, I am Really focused on what I'm focused on. That is how I am. I feel like the news is a kaleidoscope, sometimes where I my eye is not trained well on, like when everything is an uproar. My eye is not well trained to pick out what are the actual things to have an uproar about. I am, for instance this will be scary, I'm gonna say it, though for instance, there are many people telling me in many different ways that the defining Conflict of our time is a foot right now between Israel and.
Speaker 1:Palestine, and While that may be true, I am not someone who is able to well discern whether or not that is true. What I do know is that that's what people are talking about at the office every day. That's what people's group texts and group chats are going off about. That's what's being, that's what's getting the clicks on the reels and shit on, like on Instagram. That's what my friends want to talk about when we go to the bar, the ones that work in offices. So like I'll take people's word for it to an extent, but like I'm not, I'm just.
Speaker 1:Josh said he is the guy who knows politics, who stays, who stays abreast, like who knows exactly what's going on. With the goings on, I have to Rely on people who I trust to be like hey, this is a moment that you should pay attention to. Here's some information that might help you get into it, and then I will deep dive. Um, next thing George Santos, lying about doing drag and All that other stuff you said to lying in this particular world can good, can go a really long way. I'm actually surprised that he's getting dragged now for doing the lying. It doesn't seem like people get got for doing the lying so much anymore. I'm surprised by that.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, some people were saying that Trump opened the door for him.
Speaker 1:To get got so to.
Speaker 2:Just like you know, we had a whole president that life shameless. So yeah, so just be shamelessly out here, I yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I think Like let's take politicians out of it. I think Trump Put an exclamation point. He like made something clear to anybody who is in the attention media consumption, businesses which is like just being loud and mean and Playing on people's fears and insecurities. I'm not I'm by far far from the first person to say this, but like that shit can get you along, can move you ahead fast, it can get you, can get you a very long way. And I'm gonna even be specific to say we have talked about me taking a longer road where I'm going, so as not to trade off for like big chunks of eyeballs by doing dumb shit. I'll give you all an example there. There are certainly ways you can twist the dial up on controversy and attention around yourself that for me, are Costly, like energetically costly. I'm gonna give a very specific example here.
Speaker 1:Last time we were in here, I was talking about selling ass, right, I know that a part of what I'm selling, particularly to Dax and Monica's audience right now, is like Is like a An attractive dude, right, because it's like it's all women. The whole audience is women, like for specific specifically Mostly white women in middle America, right, the same people that be tuning into, like, um, michael Strayhand, okay, and shit like that. So I talked about selling ass, like a part of what you're selling. You're selling the words, you're selling the, you're selling the vibes, you're selling the project, you're selling the whatever. But you're also, like, you're selling your, your image to those people.
Speaker 1:To an extent now I Get every third question I get on Instagram from them. I send Morgan a few, but I feel, like Morgan, it makes Morgan a little nauseous, so I don't send you a lot of them, but many of the more there's so many. It's, it's every third question. Is some version of are you single? Can I take you out on a date? Do you date girls like this? Do you go here? Do you go there? Whatever? Like every, probably like third to fifth, depending on what else I'm I'm marketing at the moment when it says there's more, morgan, get over it, let it happen, okay.
Speaker 1:So I, I waited until it took me, until yet I, I, I, as I watch these questions come in, I've thought to myself and this is an example, but there's other shit. There's like, for instance, I know if I would talk about, like I Know if I would talk about Israel and Palestine, like that would be something that a bunch of people would tune in for, but like one is my point of view is probably dangerously radical and I just this is not a good time for me to do that, which is unfortunate, but it is true. Now I can't talk about this other thing, which is that I've waited until a very specific moment to even answer any of those. I'm not even answering the questions, I'm literally just reposting them, like so that other people can see. This is what y'all be asking, people to the arm cherry audience, and I know I could like lean deeply, deeply, deeply into that pocket of like Subject matter to just get more, more, more, more, more, more, more. But like it would cost me something. I would have to be Thinking about it and careful and thoughtful. And what am I opening myself up to, and who am I? Who am I causing harm to, and etc. Etc, etc, etc.
Speaker 1:But some people are just like man fucking. I think some people just get drunk on it, like George Santos, apparently, and it's just like Whatever I have to say to just get more. It does feel amazing like it feels so good yeah, it feels so intense and high To feel like the center of attention for a moment, for a day, for a week. I can't even imagine what this fuck boy feels like Lying and feeling people like want to know what he's up to. He seems like he probably has narcissistic tendencies, etc. Etc. Etc. So like I see how people get caught in the circle of just in the swirl of, I Will just keep lying and talking bullshit as long as people just keep pumping me up and giving me attention, giving me more power and access and etc. Etc. Etc.
Speaker 1:Now there's the Z-way element of all of this. So this is something to know. I had a conversation with my boy on like Friday or Thursday. One of my best friends in the world, he is a screenwriter as well and we're talking Not I won't like betray anything too specific here, but like basically he's just telling me as dead as shit was in Hollywood during the strike. It is even more dead now because it's even more Spooky now because the doors of the church have reopened and nobody is going inside, like no one, which is to say no one's buying anything, like it's like technically this strikes over, but the studios are Acting all their own projects, kicking people out the door, creatives, and like barely anything else is getting bought. That Reminds me, or that Points to something I was already thinking about, which is people like Z-way right.
Speaker 1:So when you get a show like Bomanio on HBO Max, like I don't know the next person, the next person, trevor Noah, the next person, the next person when you get a show on one of these big ass networks, small to big, like HBO Max, all the way up to I don't know ABC, nbc, whatever, you are, frankly, in the beginning, getting paid a little for a giant platform and you can bring as much of that platform, as much as that audience, over to yourself as you can possibly get with your two hungry, hungry hippo scoops until you are off of that platform and then it's gone. Similarly, right now I have access to the armchair expert platform. I have to do my hungry, hungry hippos until the last week of this show comes out, because then they have no responsibility and, no, they don't owe me shit in terms of being like don't forget about Chad. So I gotta like scoop them up as fast as I can. Now, I don't know how good or bad a job Ziwei did of that while she was on what network.
Speaker 2:Showtime.
Speaker 1:Showtime. That's right. I do know that I watched her show, several episodes of her show. I have said before I think her brand of humor is very funny and, beyond that, just like very smart, like she's clever, she's quick, she is like good at getting somebody to walk down a path and then like turning the thing really fast on them and it never seems like that mean. You know, it gets like a little bit mean, but it never goes over the top to me. I just think her brand of, I think her brand of funny is funny and I don't know how much of that network's audience or just like I don't know how much of that buzz she has been able to capture on her own, but it seems like at least some people are waiting to see what's the next thing Ziwei is gonna do. I don't know Ziwei, and maybe this is projection, but I have to imagine that might be a little bit of a stressful place to be for a lot Like.
Speaker 1:Amber Ruffin is another example of this right. Amber Ruffin had a show that used to work for and that show no longer exists. And it's like you've had access to this giant platform. People know your name, they know your face, et cetera but while you had it, did you build the vehicles to sustain yourself, if that platform is never offered to you again by another network? Because there's fewer seats at the table now, like the fucking music has stopped. The musical chairs thing is everybody's looking for a chair and there's like one chair now at every network basically where there used to be 10. So, yes, 10.
Speaker 3:So it's over here.
Speaker 1:It's over here. So what I'm saying, that to say, is like I think people like Ziwei Amber the next person they have to sort of capture these moments like this Like this is sellable buzz for Ziwei, probably for like a week. You know what I mean. She could take this. She could say, hey, I have like George Santos has agreed to do an interview with me. She can take that to anywhere Netflix, fuck it. Like do a 60 minute special, like a full 60 minute special with George Santos. Sell that as media. But like that's kind of.
Speaker 1:I guess what I see when I read this whole story is like that's the wilderness that we are in right now is that people who have brands, as you put it, have to find guerrilla warfare ways to leverage those brands because the traditional ways have shrunk, even though the industry hasn't even said, they're not saying out loud to the creatives like we don't have any jobs for y'all. But like you gotta like see it. You have to know that it's right there and it's it's grave. Like it is really. I'm not gonna lie. Like it's really grave. I have said it several times on this show before, but I'm like I don't know how my friends are gonna feed themselves Like I don't know how people are going to make a living. Last thing is about personal brand. Okay, morgan, what is my personal brand, since you say that I have one?
Speaker 2:I feel like your brand is like authenticity and like saying what you feel and not not bowing down to the powers that be. I feel like that's your brand. Okay okay, oh, and vulnerability.
Speaker 1:Thank you, morgz, I own those. I think I'm starting to take ownership of the idea of brand really like literally just probably in the last four weeks, like this feels like sort of this does sort of feel like a turning point moment where a brand is being established because there are enough people who can see the brand to like reflect back on it and bounce back off of it. The thing that I'm always wary of is like a step. Probably the reason why I have resisted the idea of a personal brand is just like what if you change? Like what, if you know, I feel like I have been so many different versions of myself in the last decade and I actually really enjoy and value the freedom to evolve, the freedom to like, you know, maybe I'm this now, maybe like two years from now, I'm somebody different, like, not somebody different, but just like something different, something different.
Speaker 1:And I've never and I've always resisted getting trapped in a certain way of being or relating to people or an expectation from people. And, at the same time, I think the conflict is that now I'm trying to be more intentional about my business, because I've been running, running, running, running, running, just trying to like stay afloat. Stay afloat, get jobs, get opportunities. But now I'm like I'm 35. I need to now, if I'm going to turn this into wealth, I need to start turning the dial to do that now, which requires a lot of investment, a lot of risk on the first of every month, paying a gazillion different people for shit and a brand is a part of that. Like people got to know when you sign up for Chad Sanders, like they got to have an expectation. They have to have some understanding and some trust in what they're going to get Like. When you buy a Coke, you know it's going to taste like Coke. It always has tasted like Coke, which is so crazy.
Speaker 1:So, similarly that All right, what else do we have to talk about? We got 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:Did you want to talk about Florida State?
Speaker 1:Um, not really. College sports is so lame, I'm sorry. Let's talk about something else. You want to do IG questions Questions Chad won't answer.
Speaker 2:Sure, we can do questions Chad won't answer.
Speaker 1:College sports is just so lame you sent it to me.
Speaker 2:I know, but I know, I know, I know Literally he does this all the time I was like I don't want to talk about this. You're the one who sent it to me.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me just say why college sports is so lame. Um, I did work, I did send it to Morgan, I did tell her put on the docket, because it felt like I homework, like I have to talk about the fact that Florida State got shafted by the college football playoff system, and they did, um, but it's like it's college sports Any. To me, anything that like plays in between, like just be here or be there, like college sports, is pretending to be amateur. It's really professional, but not exactly because the schools don't pay the players. We pretend that it's like academic, but it's truly just mercenaries for hire. Like just, especially college football and college basketball. Like just just get over yourself, like just be, just be what you are and shut up about it and, as a result, college football has a very high level of talent, especially at the top end.
Speaker 1:Um, but college basketball is just what I mean. No, they're super talented, I know that, but the visual experience of watching them is so drastically different from watching the pros that it makes it. It makes it difficult. Of course, I know they're like if they came in the gym that I go to, they would dominate. They will be the best guys that ever walked in there. But I just mean like watching them, watching them, watching them score 56 points total in a game.
Speaker 3:It's a completely different game.
Speaker 1:It is a totally different game. It's like there's zone defenses and there's like post up big men and like I just get over yourself college sports.
Speaker 2:Okay, so first question for the chat questions travel and answer segment what are your favorite New York bars that you frequent often?
Speaker 3:I love this question Um damn.
Speaker 1:Oh man, that's an interesting question. Will I answer that question? I mean, I used to go to Erzulis, I used to go to fucking Old Tobable. I probably never go there again. Does it even still exist? No, they closed it.
Speaker 2:I think they were supposed to open like a rooftop version, but I don't know if that happened.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, I will not say Yay, point for Morgan. I will not say Um next question.
Speaker 2:Yes, who's funnier Chris Spencer, Eddie Murphy or Kevin Hart?
Speaker 1:Oh today, sure, Uh the thing, that's a good question. I will answer this question. Okay, that's an easy one. I don't even know those other two guys yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, the thing about all comedians is like I think they're all way funny, like I think they all I think funny just rolls out of them nonstop. They can't turn it off. They always got to tell you the joke that they were just working on. Oh, let me tell you this joke I've been working on. Oh, did I take this joke? I was working on Like.
Speaker 1:Um, chris Spencer is very funny in like. So Chris Spencer has this, he has this. He feels to some people, I would say, probably more like a dad and executive when they look at him. Like he walks in the room, um, he's handsome, he's tall, he's well, he's like, got nice clothes on, he is, he's, he looks like a dad and people sort of treat him with like some sort of seniority authority. I'm talking about like the person at the front desk when you walk into Viacom, the person like the third, you know highest ranking executive, who's like in their thirties or whatever. So they're like treating them. They're treating him as like their dad, like as somebody who they like think of as this, like upstanding citizen of society, and then he like out of nowhere, like levees a poop joke on them or like a period joke or something. He just like. It just like knocks you out of nowhere and it knocks you over because you're not ready for it, whereas I think that Kevin Hart and Eddie Murphy can't go anywhere without people expecting them to be funny. So Chris has the element of surprise. Um, I think the jokes that he shoots off just like in the car, are funnier than most of the jokes that you will get from a Kevin Hart stand up. Um, I don't think Eddie Murphy is funny at all anymore, unfortunately, like I don't think he, I don't, I don't even know if he's like trying anymore, like that. I'm sure he's super funny, like just day to day, if you're just hanging out with him, but he's trapped behind like Kenya Barris credits and stuff like that, and you can't, there's no funny, funny can't get through there. So, kevin Hart I think actually Kevin Hart, I, kevin Hart has grown on me over the years.
Speaker 1:At the beginning I used to just be like actually no, at the very beginning, when his stand up was like hood, like hood, shit. I thought that was hilarious. And I don't I'm not, I'm not saying like there's nothing like hood about the stand, I just mean like he was performed like when he was on the Chitland circuit. I thought he was hilarious. And then I feel like it did this arc of like going through you know pop culture and like respectable America, and then it like, and now I think, where he's gotten to a place of super comfort, I think he's like almost back to that place that he started, where he's pretty raw and pretty funny and he's really like they're all. I think comedians are like super genius too, too much genius, yeah.
Speaker 2:I would agree that was the easy one, okay.
Speaker 1:Point for me.
Speaker 2:What is your least favorite black sorority?
Speaker 1:Oh my God, black sorority Least favorite. Yeah, I will not answer that question. That's crazy. Three, what's yours?
Speaker 2:I don't have one. That's the correct answer. I don't have one either. No, you didn't solve it. You said those were kind of my three good ones, okay.
Speaker 1:That's it All right. This has been nothing but anarchy. This show explores entertainment, music, sports, subversion all the things. I'm EOdoka said the B word to LeBron James. If you don't think that's interesting or entertaining, you are dead inside. Stay with us, though, and you will bring you back to life. Nothing but anarchy has merged at the link in my bio at Chad sand on Instagram. Please tune in again on Thursday, same time, and check out your book, available wherever you get podcasts on the armchair expert network. That's it, thank you, bye.
Speaker 3:Bye.
