Nothing But Anarchy
"Nothing But Anarchy" hosted by Chad Sanders explores and subverts sports, media, Hollywood, and culture. Chad's vulnerable and raw commentary creates a fresh podcast experience you don't want to miss. Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET on Youtube Live.
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Executive Producer: Chad Sanders
Producer: Morgan Williams
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Nothing But Anarchy
Eps #72 Ziwe & George Santos Interview, Clicks for Money, Anthony Edwards' Leaked Texts, and SOHO House Memberships
On this episode, Chad delves into the different dances that Ziwe, George Santos, and Anthony Edwards all do with the media. Then he discusses more storytelling points and his experience being a SOHO house member.
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
This is Nothing but Anarchy the show that explores and subverts sports, entertainment, media, hollywood, a bunch of other stuff. Whatever you think is interesting, we do it here. Welcome to Nothing but Anarchy. Alright, welcome to Nothing but Anarchy. I am Chad Sanders. This is the show. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1:I don't know exactly how this show is going to go. There's a lot of stuff to talk about here. Some of these are all of these things are becoming as the show progresses. They are gradually more difficult for me to talk about, for a couple of reasons. One is that we are pulling more from current events, and I am a notoriously lagged person when it comes to being abreast of current events. For example, there's this George Santos Z-Way interview that we're going to talk about. There's Anthony Edwards, tex Leakes that we're going to talk about. I would have known about that one. There's a story about Soho House in here. There's something on here about Bradley Cooper and his directorial style. Like most of these are things that I would not even know about if not for this show. I actually think that is helpful to the point of view of the show, which is that I am not necessarily part of the conversation. My points of view are not skewed, I would say, by whatever are the growing factions of competing points of view on some of these things. But also the difficulty in that is that I don't know what has already been decided as acceptable to say about some of these things, which is why when I call Morgan beforehand, sometimes I'm like alright, so what's this thing about? I don't know. Anthony Edwards, abortion what's this thing? Instagram models, etc. And I can hear in her voice that there's a little bit of just like just be careful. Whatever you're about to do, just be careful. Now, that's one reason why this is going to be a clunky show is because there's nobody sitting across from me, so I am talking now directly to a camera.
Speaker 1:The evolution of this is now at this place, where I went from talking to people being producers, established writers, actors, who I would then sort of like, take what they had to say and push it into a computer so that they could then hand it over to someone else as their own work. I started doing, I started off doing that. Then I started pushing my own thoughts into a computer so that they could eventually reach you all as book or, you know, tv episode or whatever. Then I was talking directly to people via Zoom calls in offices, like you know, those little work talks that you get where you have a diverse speaker, come and talk about diversity stuff or whatever. That's what I was doing after I wrote my book, after my book came out. Now the evolution has come, I think, to the next place that it goes for people like me, which is I'm now talking to a camera and the camera reaches you all and I have to pretend, or I have to evoke the feeling as though I know, that you're there. Now, usually Morgan is sitting there, she has an iPad or something open or a computer, but in this case, I can't see Morgan. Josh is to my peripheral, to my peripheral, and so this is going to get wonky because I'm like I there's nobody there to respond and look back at me and be like, excuse me, and be like you're doing a good job or that was funny, or, oh my God, don't say that, stay away from that, stop touching the mic. So, anyway, that's context, more context.
Speaker 1:We're doing a live show sometime between January 15 and February 15, would be my guess, and because I always try to like bring this show into the behind the scenes of what's going on and how we're building this thing. Here's what we're weighing as we decide when to do the live show. One is for a live show. This is not a launch party like our launch party. This is a live show, which is to say I am going to be standing and then probably sitting in front of an audience of people and performing the show in some regard as if there were a studio full of people right now. That's what we're going to be doing live in Washington DC. Maybe I will be in conversation with someone, maybe I will have a guest, maybe I will take random guests from the audience to come up and sit across from me for five minutes and have conversations. I don't know. And the way that we're going to figure out how we're going to do it One is it's venue dependent, as it is for live shows, but also we are going to sell tickets for this thing. So, depending on the size of the venue and the demand for this live show, we will come up with some number that seems like the right number to charge for tickets here, but that's also going to have some bearing on how much time and energy I can give to preparation for the live show. Also, I am going to have to feel inspired by whatever it is that I'm going to go, sit up there and talk to these, these people who have paid their money to come watch me in DC.
Speaker 1:And also we are and by we I mean like me and my team we are preparing to launch a project that centers around answering very difficult questions around love. That is the best way that I can describe it right now. That is something that I'm actually going through and exploring in my real life is exploring, is trying to wrap my head around. Can I have two things that I want very badly, that I need, that I care about a lot, that I have always cared about about a lot, at once? Can I have both deeply layered and you know, good feeling and like honest and true connection to another person in a long term romantic partnership way? And can I also have this sense of individualistic existential freedom that I have always been after for my whole life? Can I have those two things at once? I'm going to seek to answer that question by way of finding answers to all the sub questions that might lead into that question. So that's going to launch on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1:The live show is going to happen sometime before Valentine's Day and between now and that live show, I got to decide what exactly am I going to talk about at this. Nothing but anarchy. Launch party, and for that reason Sorry, not launch party live show, live show in DC. And for that reason, I need you all to help me by telling me. However you can, either via emailing Morgan at Morgan at Archer Chadcom, or you could try it in DMs, but I'm going to be honest with y'all. Like that's actually somewhere where we'll go next in this conversation. I can't read no more DMs. Like it's over.
Speaker 2:I tried dog.
Speaker 1:I held on for a long time.
Speaker 2:I can't believe you've been doing it for this long.
Speaker 1:I know it's impressive.
Speaker 2:It's really impressive. I have far less traffic in my DMs than even I can handle it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm waving the white flag as of what's today's date.
Speaker 1:Today's the 19th yeah, december 19th, 2023 is when Chad realized I cannot read DMs anymore. It's too much. It's too much, I'm just going to be real. It's too much projecting. It's too much access. It's too much. I love many of y'all. I love and appreciate how much, specifically, your book has unlocked something in you that you have been waiting to say. However, I am personally not equipped. I am not a therapist, I am not a counselor, I am not a romantic partner to these people. I am not equipped to read and live with and feel the things that you all have lived and felt and gone through and felt traumatized by like. I'm not equipped for it. I say that to say, if you want to reach the show you got to email Morgan at archerchadcom, you might even want to try DMing Morgan. Maybe Morgan can read her DMs. I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's the decision she can make.
Speaker 1:You about to blow up her DMs? I'm not trying to, but I will be honest, I do want to if Morgan's open to it. I want to increase traffic to Morgan's Instagram. I think Morgan is applying some level of resistance to this, maybe subconsciously, maybe consciously, but, like I can now see the ways that Morgan, as a producer, will be advantaged by and find leverage in having some level of social following of her own, even if it's just five, 10,000 people, whatever, like I'm watching how people producers specifically who have a following, are able to move things around because they have such a following. So if you want to reach the show and tell us what you want from the DC live show, okay, let's do the show now.
Speaker 1:So on this docket very top it says Z-Way, george Santos. If you listen to this show, you know that about a week ago I didn't exactly know who George Santos was. I was familiar with the name because it is, it's in the zeitgeist, it's all over the place. I was somewhat familiar with the idea that he was frowned upon by the segment of the population that I live in, which is mostly Democrat voting, liberal, urban dwelling, largely, you know, black, brown, like people who are around my corners of the internet, don't like George Santos, but do seem to enjoy the circus of George Santos. That's something that I'm coming to understand. Call my sister right before the show to say I'm sorry. Let me contextualize.
Speaker 1:There's a 17-minute Z-Way interview between Z-Way and George Santos. They're sitting in a studio that looks like Z-Way probably rented it somewhere in New York City, I'm imagining, because George Santos, as he reveals in the conversation, is from Queens, which is where I live. Z-way, I think, lives somewhere around here, because people see her out in New York sometimes, and the first place that I went once I started watching the interview was I checked the amount of views that the interview has. I think the interview has been out for about a day. It is approaching a million views, so it has been a widely viewed interview. That's not even to speak of how the clips are doing and buzzing and going around the internet and Twitter or whatever you guys call it. It seems to be doing well. So the first thing I sort of checked off on the list as I watched this interview was mission accomplished by both Z-Way and George Santos and I said, okay, these two people and this is sort of what I see in media and as someone who is, I'll just start sort of now that I'm not reading my DMs anymore. Fuck it, I'm just gonna own this like as a public figure.
Speaker 1:I am noticing the exhibition match, as I will call it, the self-promoted boxing match between public figures as a way to make a quick check and stay alive in the zeitgeist. Right, z-way, as we know it to be, I'm gonna say some things and some of you all who feel defensive just by nature of that person, has my same identity. You are going to feel a nature to want to defend Z-Way and that's cool. Fuck it, try. So Z-Way is, as George Santos is, someone who is doing the job of clicks for money. Guess who else does that job? Me, I do that as well.
Speaker 1:Now, in doing the job of clicks for money, which also means like performance for money, which also means like being a character of yourself for money, you decide at some point where the line is on how dirty you are willing to get your hands. But you cannot sit across from and interview someone who you interviewing. Conversation is. It is a contact sport. Like you sit across from somebody, you exchange vibes, you expand, just like having somebody in your living room when you walk out the door, or when they walk out the door, the person leaves, but the spirit is still there. The energy is still there until it's gone. Now, to be a little less woo-woo about it, doesn't matter who the fuck you are Z-Way, oprah Charlemagne. Give me some white people. Who's the white guy with the big hair who's been doing radio for 40 years?
Speaker 2:Howard.
Speaker 1:Stern, howard Stern, joe Rogan Rogan. Yeah, like Chad, you cannot invite people into your living room, which is what you're doing when you set up a conversation like this. You cannot have someone over and then, no matter how recklessly or how incisively or attacking or undermining you think yourself to be in said interview I didn't know, I was going here with this, but this is what I actually feel. No matter how much you try to present yourself as one of the good guys and then one of the bad guys, you both entered into a business relationship to make money off of the rest of us, right? You entered into an advertising relationship as business partners. Z-way here, george Santos here.
Speaker 1:Z-way's team or whoever's producers, made a point to make to put a panel at the front of this interview that says no congressmen were paid for this interview, even though George Santos tried. Right, they're trying to like wipe their hands clean, like, don't worry, don't worry, we didn't help George Santos here. We didn't pay George Santos. We didn't pay George Santos. You know who paid George Santos? You, me, us.
Speaker 1:Yes, the eyeballs are the way that you pay. You've heard it a billion times. Right, the product isn't free. You are the product. Your eyeballs, your click is the thing that gets them paid. Maybe only Z-Way gets to monetize those one million views from the last 24 hours in a direct way. Maybe those advertisers come to her YouTube channel and they say hey, z-way, we're Sprite, we'll pay you X amount of dollars for your next advertisement, but George Santos gets to float onto the next interview and the next interview on the next interview, off the product of knowing that he can generate clicks. That is his product. He says as much in the interview. There is a clip that has been going around. I'm not gonna ah, fuck it Can we play it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can play it.
Speaker 2:Let's play it. All right, here we go. What could we do to get you to go away? Stop inviting me to your gigs. So no dancing with the stars, no, paul's Drag Race. I haven't got that invite yet. I'd love to go read a b***h. The lesson is to stop inviting you places.
Speaker 1:But you can't, because people want the content. Wow, he said it. Wow, he said it. Okay, z-way, listen, listen, I like Z-Way. I told y'all that. I told you, I like her. She's smart as hell. She knows her s***. She comes prepared. Her editing team that was the thing that blows me away sometimes. Her editing team is phenomenal. Like she has been able to communicate to them exactly what she wants as a style of humor and this is, by the way, this is a credit to her and the editors but like she knows exactly how to time her sense of humor and there are people copying her. Now I won't even I'll stop naming who they are because they're already biggest s***, but like there are people copying that sense of humor right now. It's not like she made up like deadpan, you know, slow, tension, whatever, but she's really good at it. Okay, z-way is phenomenal.
Speaker 1:I think Z-Way got bussed down on this one. She thought she could have George Santos on her platform. I watched the same thing happen with Balmani Jones and Jake Paul. She thought she could have him on her platform and because she's witty, she's smarter than him, she's prepared. She thought she could make him look like a clown on her platform. And please don't ever f***ing get this part twisted and profit while doing so. Right, profit by what? Now I'm looking at Josh because, nope, because Morgan ain't there, so Josh's over here, so I'm gonna keep looking at Josh. Now the problem is that the veil has been lifted and anyone who plays the public figure media appearance, podcast, exhibition, public figures dating each other for one night just to get a big rating and move on to the next thing Like you gotta do it right now because Hollywood is so f***ed up it's gonna. Maybe Z-Way will get another show, but right now I gotta imagine, like this is a big part of her income is selling directly to advertisers, her own platforms. But you gotta know that when someone sits in that seat across from you, you two are together, you guys are business partners. It can only get so sticky.
Speaker 1:The interview was good, it was cute, it was funny, but she didn't really even get. She didn't even get at his ass until he said that thing. Josh hasn't watched it yet, but he says that thing and then the next thing that comes after it because she knows she's been crossed up the next thing that comes out of her mouth is dark, which is she starts pointing at him, basically asking if he's ready to go to prison because she feels away. And she got got on her platform. She invited a crook on her platform, she danced with him, then he undermined her in a way that was embarrassing and then she tried to get one off on him, but it was too late. Like he said it, he didn't say.
Speaker 1:She said how can we make you go away? First of all, that question in and of itself lacks self-awareness. Like you have him in front of a million eyeballs right now asking him how to get him to go away. You are a media executive, you are a media expert. You are fantastic at what you do. You should know that the way to get him to go away is not to invite him into a studio and then publish a YouTube video of a conversation between the two of you. That is not the way to get somebody to go away.
Speaker 1:His response is so telling. He does not say stop inviting me on your platforms. He doesn't say stop inviting me to your shows. He says stop inviting me to your gigs. This is a job that we do for money. Stop inviting me to work with you. He said it. He said it and now that it has been said like I don't know.
Speaker 1:For me personally, I don't know that I can see this was two people who both wanted to be seen as the smarter person. They both wanted to be seen as the joker right? They both wanted to be seen as like I'm the person who subverts society. I'm the person who subverts media. I'm the person who is really real, who really tells the people what it is.
Speaker 1:But he said the thing and she didn't say the thing. She didn't say it, she tried to get in front of it. We didn't pay him to do this and he's not a fucking idiot, and neither am I. You did pay him to do this. You gave him his next gig and his next gig and his next gig, because that's what it is like, that's the game.
Speaker 1:So I felt lied to by both of them, by the conceit of this thing as, oh, this will be like. This is just a wrestling match. There's no underlying, like foundational truth or this is for the betterment of the Republic. This will inform the people there isn't that this is dancing, this is tap dancing together. This is holding hands oh, maureen's not here so I might get dirty and as a dude who's sitting here telling us he's got Botox and fuck, what's it called lip fillers and he's had multiple procedures on his body to look a certain way.
Speaker 1:He talks a certain way. He's so nebulous in the formatting of what his points of views are like you can't tell exactly where does he stand on what. Who does he stand next to? What does he believe in? What? Like? Who are you? What are you? As I was describing it to my sister before I came in here, he's like one of those KFC chickens. That's just all breasts and thighs. It's genetically mutated to just give us exactly what we asked for and nothing else. Like it doesn't even have a head, it's just fucking breasts and thighs walking around like that's what he is for 2023, he's literally just giving us what we clicked on, just giving us what we asked for. And Ziwei was supposed to be the hero. We needed to sit across from him and be too subversive for him to subvert and he got under there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he won, I'm sorry he won.
Speaker 1:He got under there because he told the fucking truth in the most important moment. He probably lied on every other piece, but he said the thing if you don't want me to have to get bigger and bigger and bigger like the giant fish balloon on Powerpuff Girls, like if you don't want that, then stop trying to eat with me, stop trying to make a meal with me, stop trying to get busy with me. If you don't want that, stop inviting me as a feature on your songs, because that's what it is every time we invite someone on one of these things. There is no such thing as this person against this person. It's these two people fucking doing the hungry, hungry hippo shit in our pockets. So that's what Ziwei did.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you a question? Yes, do you think that? Do you feel like she needed to do this? Cause I almost like in hindsight I mean this is a hindsight thing that I'm thinking about but I'm just like, you know, obviously she, we don't know what her next project is. I mean she might have something lined up, we don't know. But like I'm wondering, like, cause she's really smart and I'm really seeing that clip for the first time, it made me feel really sad, cause that was like I think I was like, oh, he won this, he won, yeah, he won. So I'm just making me feel like, was that worth it for her? Like, what is she? I mean, I know what she's getting out of it. She's obviously getting the clicks and stuff, like that.
Speaker 2:It's still what's it go. She still did her thing.
Speaker 1:Right. Was the juice worth the squeeze? Was the juice worth the squeeze? That's a great question, so let's examine it. The first thing I want to be clear on is he won the Tete-Tete. He won the exchange like he won the little sparring session of the voices and the brains in that moment. But I can't at the same time say their teammates and also that one of them won. They both won.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did Like they did, because ultimately, let's say, I invite somebody in this room and we go back and forth on something that I think I'm smarter at or I think I'm more clever at on this platform right, that I own with Morgan. That's it Like. They come in here and they get one off on me and it's like oh, egg on your face, chad. Like you looked like a dumbass, like you. Blah, blah, blah. But then I get to go publish this wherever I want. The clicks go crazy. It's viral. I gain 100,000 followers overnight, like or whatever you know. Just make up a number. These things are nuanced. It's not just like, it's not to me, it's not just a win or a loss, it's like oh, she probably felt embarrassed in the moment and I could feel her embarrassment because she came to shoot right back at him with something hurtful. But, like, ultimately, when she gets a little distance and I think when the emotions settle in from all of it, which they already might have at this point, she might have shot that thing a week ago. Who knows, she is now holding an asset that is extremely valuable and does she need that right now Maybe? Like, the industry is really chaotic. I've said it in a few different ways. You know A lot of people who make $2 million a year spend $2 million a year or more. You know A lot of people who make $10 million in a year have so many liabilities that they're not prepared for a year like this, which is almost a lost year for people. They're not really prepared for that. She probably needed to get something off just to keep. People come and go. They disappear, like. I just saw a John Sally interview on a podcast and I was like, oh yeah, john Sally, he was like Charles Barkley before Charles Barkley, and now where is he? Who knows? So I don't think in a net way for her business. I don't think Ziwei took an L here. I think Ziwei did herself a service.
Speaker 1:It just the nature of this beast is such as an example. Like I said, I can't read my DMs anymore. That is something that I now have to sacrifice, because I wanted my thing to get bigger and it's now gotten bigger, and now I lose one layer of connection to the audience that I used to have, because the nature of this beast is that like bigger does not mean it certainly doesn't mean easier, and it also doesn't necessarily mean better, and it also doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna feel better. It just means bigger. So that's a. That's it. Stop inviting him to your gigs, man. Stop getting money with him if you don't want to see him grow. He probably got to leave with I don't know. Let's say, 5% of those people who watched that interview might have left thinking I kind of like that guy, something about him. He wears Ferragamo shoes, he's from Queens, like me, he looks like me, he talks this way, he's this, he's that, whatever, like.
Speaker 2:He told the truth one time.
Speaker 1:He told the truth one time. So he walks out of there with 5% more whatever you know what I mean 5% of the clicks on that show. He walks out of them with more behind him, more wind behind his sails, more people he can sell shit to, more people he can sell himself to Alright, moving on Anthony Edwards. Alright, so I had a. I've had a few conversations about Anthony Edwards and Paige Giorde, who I looked up last night. She of about 415,000 Instagram followers. I wonder how many of those have come in the last two days. Probably, I would guess, a quarter of them.
Speaker 1:So Anthony Edwards is in the news. Anthony Edwards is kind of finding himself in the news semi-frequently, I would say. At this point he seems to be before I get into like moralities around it or just like the complications around it he just seems to be someone that is compelling to people and I see it you heard me talk about it months ago there's honestly something about him that and it's not just skin tone, stature, playing, style even though those things also connect but like there's something about him that is a little bit Jordan-esque in just the aura. Like he, you can feel people are so cool this way that you can see a feeling, like you can see in clips of him, how other grown men older than him in the same bracket of the elite, competitive pool of athletes, they treat him a little bit differently. They allow something a little bit more from him in the way of like alpha dominance. There's a funny clip of him recently calling Carl Anthony Towns, who is seven feet tall and probably six years older than him or eight, and also calling Rudy Gaubert, who is seven foot two and maybe like eight years older than him as well, calling those two guys his sons. And those are his teammates. And those guys were like those guys had established NBA careers before he was even out of high school. And now he is the guy on that team.
Speaker 1:He's been in a movie recently. He was in that Adam Sandler basketball movie. I can't remember the name of it is, but you guys can probably remember it. He dunks on people, he shoots mid-range jumpers, he hits game winners, he defends, he locks up Like he is an interesting athlete, he's a compelling athlete and he carries himself and speaks with a certain confidence and a humor and, honestly, a self-awareness that is admirable. Also, he got caught on camera camera calling some guys the F word in Minnesota, or he caught himself. He put it on his Instagram Live. And also and I want to divorce that from this right as far as I can tell, anthony Edwards has not committed a crime of society in this thing, but y'all can get me right if I'm wrong Anthony Edwards in a text exchange that was published by Page Jorde on her own Instagram. Anthony Edwards in that exchange is trying to influence Page. What's the word? Push Page to have an abortion Because he has gotten her pregnant, allegedly Like it's still unknown whether or not she was actually pregnant or not, or whatever.
Speaker 1:I told Morgan before this. I was like let's find some stuff with some levity in it, because I don't want to get too close to like. I just I want to have some limits on where I am willing to go in this show, and I don't mean in what I'm willing to say, I just mean in like subject matter. I want to make sure that I don't want to be staring at things that are ultimately inconsequential in life. So but here we go, let's do it, fuck it. He wants her getting an abortion. She's going back and forth with him about it.
Speaker 1:There's a little bit of like gamesmanship happening between the two of them in the exchange and he's like, let's be adults about this. He's like get an abortion. Lol, at some point he wants her to send a video of herself taking the pills for her abortion, like it's almost the rhythm of it is so light and familiar, almost in tone, that one doesn't seem like Anthony Edwards first rodeo, in other words, first rodeo in this regard doesn't seem like Paige Giorghe's first rodeo in this regard, it seems like just sort of like what's the word? This is just a decorum right now. Okay, you get into a romantic or sexual and I'm talking about for, like, big celebrities and there's a lot of gender in this, like big male celebrities and women that they sleep with who have large followings of their own. Okay, you see me being careful. I'm trying, but Jesus Christ is difficult with shit like this.
Speaker 1:So the decorum and I talked about this at length with TJ and a shield when it came to Zion Williamson and the only fans model who he allegedly got pregnant the decorum is like there's a transaction of sex If a baby becomes like, if some, if the, if the woman in the exchange becomes pregnant. Now the transaction furthers into like a negotiation of leverage for something money, clout, just noise. Like both parties I think the male party in most instances is trying to make this goal, trying to make the both the baby and the noise around it go away, and the woman on the other side of the exchange is trying to, it seems like, just get what she can get out of the exchange as best she can. It reminds me of I'm in a negotiation right now with a studio. It reminds me of my negotiation with said studio, like studio and I'm the woman in this case. Studio has a lot more money than me, it has a lot more power than me. It has so many other versions of me that it can turn to to do the same job that I do for the studio and I'm just trying to get whatever the fuck I can get out of this exchange before the studio just crushes me or disappears on me.
Speaker 1:So I, in that way I am, but I'm like you realize that like this conversation, when, when this conversation comes up, I was talking to it, to my sister about it last night and my sister felt strongly about some things in it, I almost feel nothing like and I don't I don't mean that to say like I'm above this conversation. Quite the opposite. The feelings are not there. It's like living in my head because I, because I and what's in my head is strong, I'm seeing a negotiation like I'm seeing an economy that already exists and has its own rules play out like. This is an environment that knows what it does, the environment that is big time celebrities, big time models. You know, I have walked into these rooms. Ok, I have walked into these rooms where those guys are and those women are and I have quite literally felt I, first of all, I have felt the eyeballs on me determining whether or not I am one of them.
Speaker 2:I know this feeling, you know what. I know what these parties are like to it's.
Speaker 1:I have felt the eyeballs on me determining whether or not I am there for the same, for the same transaction, whether I have what they want from the transaction. And I have felt honestly, when I went for the first times, I was like I'm talking about Hollywood, I'm talking about Sherman Oaks? Ok, I'm talking about people's houses whose names you guys know, small groups though five guys, five ladies, right. I have felt the feeling of quite literally like, almost like, embarrassment, because I feel so much not like what they're looking for, because I don't have. I don't have it. Yeah, I don't know how to make the exchange. I don't know how to speak the language. I'm quite literally like, I'm quite literally worried that if we were to do something sexual, I would be the whole time so scared of what's happening that I wouldn't be able to do it later. Ok, I'm being real with you all, so, just so, fuck with me here, here, what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But everybody else is comfortable. Everybody else is doing a dance that they all know and everybody knows like OK, I'll ground it in my own world, in that place. I don't know what the fuck is going on. I don't know how to move, I don't know how to talk to nobody. I can see that the women can see through me, because they can tell I'm nervous, I don't know. I don't know what to do here. You put me in fucking cafe or Zuley and it's. I know the dance. Ok, put me in like you know the after party for somebody's improv show, or like a 30 rock Halloween party. I know the dance there. I am the person who understands exactly what to do. I'm in my body now. I know what to do. I'm not scared. But there's a transaction being there, made, being made there too. This one is just different, like it's. This is the stakes are higher. Anthony Edwards is trying to offer her a hundred thousand dollars to have a five hundred dollar abortion. The stakes are different. Now, what I think is interesting here, actually, first I want to do a quick like segment break to say don't forget that there is a player on the Oklahoma City Thunder currently accused of having sex with an underage girl. While we're all paying attention to Anthony Edwards doing things that are legal for instance, offering somebody money to have an abortion, somebody who, it sounds like, is willing to negotiate with him to do so there is somebody white guy currently accused of having sex with a 16 year old who this man plays with Oklahoma City Thunder, josh Giddy. Alright, back to Anthony Edwards, since that's what y'all really want to talk about.
Speaker 1:This was the defining question that I had in the conversation for me. It was the defining question for me because it comes up often for me. I have friends who will see someone like Anthony Edwards in this kind of spot 22, wealthy, enormously wealthy. I think he's got $160 million guaranteed in contract money. He probably has half of that, maybe another 80 in sponsorships and marketing dollars guaranteed to him. This guy stands to potentially be a billionaire by the end of a 15 year plan career. I don't even think that's a huge stretch by any means. Okay, $100,000 is a small amount of money to this kid. It is an inconsequential amount of money to him. I bet it is a large amount of money to Page Jorday In that regard.
Speaker 1:Listen, man, we have all been in some tough place. Let me not speak for anybody else. I have been in some tough spots financially where I was willing to do things that I did not want to do, did not believe in, did not feel good to make a buck. Frankly, when I was in those spaces and I did those things. I didn't even end up getting paid because the other person was so much more powerful for me. They just flicked me away with their little finger, okay. So I do not blame somebody or I do not look down on someone, I should say who is trying to get some money with their body, because it is hard to get some money in this country.
Speaker 1:You keep telling me that every direction that somebody turns in this country is a dead end. Go to college, you will have debt. Don't go to college, you won't be able to get a job. If you keep telling me it is so hard to make a living and to be able to afford the cost of living in most places in this country, what do you leave people with? If there is a perfect economy here between basketball players and Instagram models, where the Instagram models can get $100,000 here, another $100,000 there, and this is what it takes, and everybody is.
Speaker 1:I don't see Anthony Edwards really tripping about it. I don't think he is angry. He doesn't seem angry in the tone of these messages. I just see two people who know what the dance is and they are doing the dance and somebody is going to pay the bill. Separate from that that is not the existential question here.
Speaker 1:Another thing before I get to the existential question here Morgan said to me on the phone today I love when Morgan will have these like she will give me these like Morgan tidbits and sometimes they are laced with like some Gen Z sort of outline on them, but it shows me the future. Where Morgan said to me she is like I don't know why anybody texts anymore and that part actually, as much as I realize I cannot DM. Now I can't. I can't read the DMs, I can't respond to the DMs, I can't do it. I saw somebody DM me yesterday some wild shit and I cannot respond. I am just like I cannot respond to DMs. I cannot respond to unknown number texts. I cannot respond to people who I don't actually know, even if I knew them 10 years ago. I can't really respond to it. Like I gotta like stay over here. I gotta stay over here. That's me at this place.
Speaker 1:Anthony Edwards has a hundred. I have more expenditures than I have income. Okay, I have more bills than I have income. Anthony Edwards has $160 million on the way to him at least, probably more like a bill million, literally, not as an exaggeration. He really cannot be out here just putting anything down in print unless it is inconsequential, and this actually might be inconsequential. This decorum may be so established that, while it's a funny ha ha, to the rest of us fucking plebes, it doesn't mean anything in that world. This is par for the course. This is normal. Okay, his friends are not laughing at him right now. Ha ha, you got got bubble. His friends are probably like yeah, I had to shoot off 15K a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, I had to shoot off another 150 to so, and so you know what I mean. It is what it is. It's on the balance sheet it's a line item.
Speaker 1:It's the cost of living. It's the cost of living. But I did appreciate what Morgan said to me, which very much did make me see the future. I was like damn, she's right, why is anybody texting? Why am I texting? Maybe I woke up today and I was like you know what I'm going to do. And I failed. I was like I'm not going to check a text until after the show today. I already am like I cannot read my emails already. I'm already like I cannot check my DMs. Now I'm like I'm going to shut down my texts, at least until I get past the creative portion of my day. But I failed. But the point to me is like Morgan's right, like don't text, why If it matters to you, but if it's in consequential to you, if it means nothing, if it's just. Oh, now I got to negotiate with Paige Giorghe until we can just like get through this thing, then fine. And one more thing before I get to the thing.
Speaker 1:I'm having a hard time with people who tell me that they are all for reproductive rights and also they do not like women leveraging their bodies and their reproductive reproductive rights in this way. If you want people to have, if something, if you consider something to be a right of someone, that means that you do not police it. That means like, it means it's theirs, they do what the fuck they want with it. That means if they want to hold, if they want to hold dudes hostage by saying, hey, pay me this abortion, don't pay me this, no abortion. Like if you're telling me it is a right, then it's a right, then you don't get to police it, you don't get to manage it. You can have scorn for it, I guess you can have judgment for it, but like you're eating out of both sides on the trough the trough on my opinion trying to both have you know what. Stop right there, cause Morgan's not here and I don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 2:I don't think you're in dangerous territory. I don't think so either, but I will feel more comfortable with Morgan. Maybe that's two dudes. Yeah, exactly that's it. That's it. That's as far as I'm going there.
Speaker 1:Now here's the main thing. Okay, it is the main thing, is main thing. I'm about to, like I said, I'm about to set off and do a whole project on love. First conversation is going to be with actually I think she's having her pre-screen right now but, like first conversation is going to be with my first girlfriend ever and, like from high school, okay, my person I'm with the prom, with person who I'm still friends with, who I've known for a very long time, who I've worked with in Hollywood. Like it should be a very interesting conversation, something I'm going to talk to her about and that I am. I am going to be talking to more people who know me well about. She is. She is married, seems to have a very lovely life, is pregnant with her second child. Like her life is completely separate from mine, but she does know me. She has known me for a very, very long time. So I'm interested on her insight in this. I'm interested in my sister's insight on this.
Speaker 1:I'm interested in many people's insight on this, but not all people's. Some people, people who I think have a strong a sensibility about life in the world that I value. I'll say that way. I am in a particular place in my life in a, in a transitionary period. Transitional period where, when I meet someone, what comes with me is a distinct Google ability. Like you can know what I think about things. You can know what people I'm connected to not in the way of like going and digging through somebody's Instagram history. Like in a real way. You can hear me sit up here and spiel for an hour and a half on everything, basically, so you can think that you know me and what my life is like before we've even sat down for a drink, and that is that is what happens in 2023. Like that is, if you offer people information or no information with regards to very specific things like this one, they always choose the information. It's funny because on a lot of shit, they choose no information, but, like on this one, people want to know. Scale that up to Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1:The point that I'm getting to and the question I want to ask is like, if you're, if your response to this thing is Anthony Edwards should stop dating Instagram models. He should stop dating other celebrities, baby mamas. He should stop dating the women who are in those Hollywood parties that I would walk into. Stop dating the women's, the women's, the women backstage at the Travis Scott show. Stop dating the women who are on the floor seats at the Knicks game. Stop dating the women who stop. He should stop dating the women with the blue checks and the and the and the titties and ass out and 400,000 followers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1:My question is how do you think Anthony Edwards would meet someone else? Where would he meet them at? Where would he meet them? Where do you like Anthony Edwards can't just walk into a coffee shop. Okay, anthony Edwards, you know it's not that simple for Anthony Edwards Like oh, you have a cute friend, can you introduce me? It comes with a public record of $160 million on the way to him. So the people who are who can get nearest to him are the people who have already seen that and found their way to these plates, like he.
Speaker 1:I don't think this is a legend, I think this is true. He and Chief Keefe have the same baby mama. I think his baby's on the way with with that person and some people look at that and say, man, why do these guys always date the same women? And I'm not trying to mock you for having that point of view, but it's like. That's what a community is? You, like you probably are married to or dated somebody who also dated or was married to somebody from your college, from your office, from that group that you hang out with all the time, from a friend of a friend, your hometown like that's what a community is. And celebrities in this little circle, this spear black dudes under 30 millionaires like that's a really, really finite spec of community, and so, of course, they have some overlap with each other on dating and sexual interests Like that's going to happen.
Speaker 1:I don't even know how, anthony, I've asked people specifically. Walk me through how you think and I'm not saying anything ever specifically and the Edwards, kanye Drake, lebron LeBron married his high school sweetheart. Walk me through how, if these people have made it to adulthood in this level of celebrity and notoriety and money without bringing along with them which is extremely difficult somebody who they knew when they were children, before all of this, walk me through how that person is going to meet a teacher as a dating interest and then where does it go from there? How is she able to then connect to the actual person that is underneath the public record of $200 million in his pocket? I just think. I think we're asking for something that we I don't see the actual. As someone who can see how to get from A to B to C, sometimes I don't actually like see how you do it. So, anyway, that's enough about Anthony Edwards and abortions. I think we've kept it relatively light, even with some heavier subject matter.
Speaker 1:I wanted to add something that I didn't say about the George Santos thing. I forgot to say it and I was going to lead off with it and I just I forgot when I signed with WME, which is, depending on who you ask, either the biggest or second biggest Hollywood agency in 2017. And, by the way, like I said, big just means big, doesn't mean great, doesn't mean ass, it just means big. It's big as hell. In 2017, I signed on like I want to say January 2nd somewhere around there Maybe it was February 2nd, can't remember, but maybe a few months later, after they had sort of profiled me, to see like okay, you know, in my signing meeting you go to WME. It's in one of these big, sterile office buildings in like in Hell's Kitchen. I want to say somewhere over there. I can't remember, I haven't been in like years at this point because of COVID, but anyway, looks like what an agency looks like in your head.
Speaker 1:And I go into this big room and you know there's like scripted agents who are the people who represent you when you're trying to sell TV series, movie agents. There's book agents. There's not. There's like non scripted agents which are basically like agents who just represent you as a talent, like talent agents. There's probably like eight or nine people in this room and they sit there for an hour and just I loved, I loved this. They just ask you questions about yourself and they're profiling you to see like, okay, what are all the different ways that we can make money off of this person creatively and what are the different ways, what are the different faculties in this company that can use him to make to make money? That's it. But I enjoyed it because I had ambitions to do a lot of different things across industry, so I really enjoyed doing that. Now what they're also looking for is what is your personality, what is your temperament in front of people they want to see? Are you somebody who we can throw in front of cameras or are you just going to be a? No, I shouldn't say just it's not reductive, but like are you better used as a writer, creative, somebody behind cameras, whatever.
Speaker 1:And I, and again, like, I came in with a TV pilot that I had written specifically because I wanted to make a TV show that I could star in. That was like the conceit of this entire journey for me was I wanted to be like Issa Randolph Glover. Didn't happen. So after that meeting, months later can't remember, weeks later, months later, whatever it is I get a text from one of the bigger agents who was in that room and they, he or she said um, have you ever thought about being a congressman? That's what they said. I'm like I came to this Hollywood agency, wme, a big one like William Morrison Devere. I came to this agency because I wanted to be a career. I left the tech world, corporate America, came over here because I wanted to be a creative and an artist and a star. And I came over here and I left that other stuff and they looked at me, they listened to me, they saw what I had to say and how I had to say it and what came out on the other end.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you that the agents at this level, the person that I'm talking about, like I, went back to look for a text record because I knew there wouldn't be more than five text exchange, because they do not just they not just out here to chit chat. Like when they say something, they mean it and in the moment I heard that, I read it and I can't remember what I replied, but I remember thinking like that's, the last thing I fucking want is to be a congressman, like I don't want to be a politician, I want to be an artist. But I think that that person was seeing the future. This was 2017. Maybe they were just seeing the present, I don't know, but I think what they were seeing is like we need to get in the business of politicians. That's fascinating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really fascinating.
Speaker 1:Because those are the real entertainers. Here, people's are going to be the real media moguls. That's how we can really make the most money out of other people's attention is we need to be representing politicians, and they are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just going to ask you if they were.
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean you hear it in the George Santos and Z-Way conversations. Z-way asks him something about, like are you not willing to speak on that? Oh, it was actually kind of rough. It was like she said God, what's the terminology? She was basically asking do you oppose? Like, do you? Do you want? What's the terminology we're using to say, do you want Israel to stop? Like the conflict in, like a ceasefire? Yes, do you, do you support a ceasefire? And he says no. And she says is that because you don't want to lose your Hollywood agents? That was like, and that was like a little flick to the nose, but he got it out of there so fast, like he was ready for that shit. But like, listen, man, I'm certain that AOC got one, I'm certain that George Santos got one, I'm certain that the next one and the next one and the next one.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to tell you all something else, and this is, in my book, the trending civil rights heroes of the moment. I see those same niggas going inside and outside of Netflix. I see those same people going in the meetings at HBO Max. I see those people walking in and out of CAA WME. Like those people go where I go. And that part makes me think sometimes maybe he was on to something and I'm hustling backwards trying not to do that. But, like I've said this before, like there's some shit I don't have the stomach for, like I, if I got to get it that way, like I'm just not going to get it, but there are people getting it that way and so, again, I'm like you, z-way love you, admire you, man, you are so fire, you are so dope, but you cannot sit up here next to George Santos and act like in this moment. You all are not two media executives doing a production together for money, because that's what it is. And I do believe, if we really like unwound and really traced back, like the, some of the origins of some of the sort of nasty, gnarly things going on in politics right now, I bet you, these big agencies, know where all the bodies are buried.
Speaker 1:That's all I'm going to say about that, jesus Christ, all right, follow me at chat sand on Instagram. Don't DM. I won't read it. I'm sorry, it's over. It's over. It's over Josh. It's over, bro, as it should be. I can't hear that.
Speaker 1:Um, dea Morgan, though at morg. At what is she? Morgy Williams, morgan Williams? Is she at Morgan Williams. I don't know, I think she's morgy or something. She's such a morgster, all right. Um, what am I saying? What am I saying? What am I saying? What am I saying? I got to hit three beats quickly and then we're going to do some Q and A and then we're going to get out of here. Um, morgan showed sent me I think it was a Hollywood reporter article that says Soho House, la, new York, london locations only adding new members where we have capacity, whatever that means. Chad's Reflections Okay, members clubs.
Speaker 1:There was a time when I thought it was so cool that I was a member of Dumbo House. I was quote unquote like a founding member of Dumbo House. That's what they called you If you were part of the first cohort that started at Dumbo House that paid dues to be a part of Dumbo House. Dumbo House has one of the most beautiful views of New York City in the city. It has a fantastic balcony. It has good food that is overpriced. The thing that it is missing, that members clubs are missing, is what I was actually looking at.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a lie. What I wanted at first was just to feel prestigious. That was why I initially was a member of Soho House. That was why it gave me something that I had that my friends didn't have Like all my friends who present themselves as fancy people at that time the ones who were, like you know, had a fancy degree or a fancy job title or whatever and I was like very much in sort of like starving artist phase, trying to get this thing going. It gave me something that I could feel like I had over them and something that I felt like I could extend to them as an olive branch for them to just take a step into the world of, like the artistic fancy people, and that I got to decide when they could come and when they couldn't, and if they wanted to be a member they would have to ask me. I thought that was that was something that would make me. You know, it was something to give me a feeling that was like self-esteem but wasn't actual self-esteem.
Speaker 1:I dumbled house specifically. I've been to probably four or five Soho houses to an LA Dumbled house here, the one in the Lower East Side, maybe there's one more, been to the one in Berlin, I want to say, and they all have like on the outside exterior they have some sort of almost invisible exterior, where you can't even tell that like oh, there's a thing here, like there's no markings on the outside, there's no sign. You get inside there's a person at the door. It is usually a good looking woman in her mid to late twenties. She signs you in, you go upstairs or you go in the back or you go into a bar that leads to a room, leads to whatever, and then you're inside, you look around and there's almost like there's a. There's in Dumbled house. Specifically, there's like oh, oh, my God, so much in the one in Hollywood. There's a walkway that you walk down and it's almost like the promenade of a college, but indoors it's basically like a catwalk for each person that comes in so that they can be seen by all the people who are there, pretending to not look at them and notice who they are, and also so that they, out of their peripherals, can notice who is in the room, so they can figure out how to position themselves and posture themselves to be close to whoever it is that they're there to meet. And there will be some people in there, like Justin Bieber will be in there, beyonce and Jay-Z will be in there, khaled will be in there from time to time. And then there's a bunch of other people who are like, you know, barnacle folks, like the people who are the clingers to the people who are the real people, the wannabes. You know what I mean, and that is what the 90% of the population inside those locations are the wannabes, including the famous wannabes. It is a frat house for famous people and wannabe famous people and the people who want to make money off of famous people. That's what. That's what Soho House is.
Speaker 1:I was a member. Covid came, they kept taking money out of my account and at a certain point I was like you know what I think? No, thank you anymore on the Soho House. Please stop taking money out of my account for something that I can't even use right now because nobody can use it because of COVID.
Speaker 1:And then, when COVID was over, I came back to New York City. I was like I'm good, and a part of why I was good was that real things actually started happening for me and I didn't need the fake self-esteem of that place. I was starting to have a different type of fake self-esteem which was like your career is popping off, people can see you now, you don't need to be told, you don't need to pay somebody to tell you that you are good enough to be somewhere. Now you sort of are starting to just feel good enough to be somewhere. Where am I going with this? Let me get to the point. The point is people want to be.
Speaker 1:I think, as Morgan said it this morning to me, there are members clubs of all kinds popping up all over the place, and one reason for that and I think the primary reason is not just because people want to feel important, which they do, and want to feel like they have something their friends don't have, something exclusive, but also, I think, because people are lonely. People are working from home, people are single, people are like. They want to be able to feel live bodies around them and see live people and have those little like momentary interactions with someone on the elevator, someone in the hallway, like someone doing work next to you oh, what are you working on? What about? Like people like that kind of shit to an extent, even though they don't want to do it at their employer, which is also funny, but which I get they don't want to do it while being babysat, however, doesn't work at Soho house, because and I would just say, if you're me or if you're similar to me, which is to say, if you have some molecules left that are of a normal, relatable person, which most many people in these arenas do not have.
Speaker 1:You do not feel connection at Soho house. You feel lonely, you feel watched, you feel or you feel invisible, or you feel like you have to sort of like tiptoe around these, like these invisible but very palpable bubbles of exclusive energy at each table where you walk too close to someone and everyone kind of like sneers over your shoulder at you, or somebody walks in and there's a whisper that goes across the crowd about, oh who just walked in here? And it's just fucking gross, it's disgusting, it's like it is beyond just being gross. It is an uncomfortable experience for a normal, relatable, non psychopath. So I think that what I'm left with as a problem to solve is, as someone who does not want to be no more, no more, like no more. I'm not paying dues for any more shit Like people keep inviting me for like into exclusive things where I got to pay to be a part of it, not do no more. Okay, I'm not paying any other any more grand high poobas to say you are welcome here as long as you pay your dues to this entity, like no more.
Speaker 1:But the problem I'm left with to solve is I still want community and I see now almost that I am left with no choice but to build said community by way of this thing. Like the joy of community that I am starting to feel is amongst my colleagues, my teammates, on this entity, on this project. You know which like, and by this project I mean like the project that is this independent studio that I'm building. Like that's where I'm starting to feel community, because when I used to go pay for it, I would walk into a room and like, feel like I was walking into a, into a high school cafeteria on purpose. Like that's the feeling. I think the feeling that they are selling is you are almost there and if you just keep showing up to this place over and over and over again, somebody's going to pick you, you little, pick me, and then you will get to be there. And I know there's a bunch of 25 year olds who just got admitted to Soho house, dumbo house, wherever, and they think they're hot shit and they think it's real cool. Enjoy it, have a good time, date the people who are also there, because you're going to do it, whether I say do it or not, and then break up with those people in terrible ways because that's what's also going to happen. But then, when you get to your early 30s, like just remember to stop going there because it's not going to help you with the next phase. And if you're your 30s going there, like I don't know what to tell you. Okay, that was pretty good, this been a good show. All right, q&a, here we go.
Speaker 1:What's the hardest part of sharing your story? That's what somebody asked me on Instagram. These are questions that come out of your book. I'll tell you right now. The hardest part of sharing my story is this I am sharing a story that includes my point of view, my perspective, my experience on something that was larger than me Talk about yearbook, okay which includes conversations with other people who were also there. However, yes, it is in reverence of someone who I lost. Yes, it is in reverence of a couple terrible things that happened in my community. Yes, it is with respect and admiration and love for a community that I am part of and a team that I was part of and people who I knew, etc. Etc. Etc.
Speaker 1:However, the question which I think is well posed is what's the hardest part of sharing your story? It is that, I think, because the project got big, it blew up on a big network which, by the way, I don't get to decide which of these things get big and which ones don't. Okay, they all start from a, from a genuine place of me, in my, in my apartment, or walking around Queens with my dog, thinking about what story do I want to tell and where can I find a home for it, where it has a chance. And then you guys decide does it get big or not? Right, black magic got pretty big for me, for where I was at that point in time, yearbook is huge for me from where I am in this point in time. I didn't get to choose that. I tried. I tried to make them all big. I tried to make direct deposit big Didn't get big because you guys don't give a fuck about audible, but I try to make them all big.
Speaker 1:Some of them get big and some of them don't, but regardless of where they end, of how big or small they end up being, they are, in fact, my story, like I appreciate that people see themselves in it and they want to reflect back on that and they want to share their own stuff that they're going through, and they want to tell me what parts they like and what parts they don't like, and what they agree with, what they don't agree with. Well, I don't know if it actually happened like. This and this and this and this is. Hey. Man, I went through the process of writing this thing and building this thing out over years. Okay, what came out on the other end is what I thought I could stand on and that, ultimately, is my story. If you want to tell the the story in a different way, or if you want to tell your own story and feel inspired to do so, that's where art comes from and I think that's phenomenal. But, like, I am not responsible for anybody else's story but my own, so that's the hard part.
Speaker 1:What's a good, realistic goal for a wannabe writer to set? This week, I am. I have the point of view that doing seven push-ups. I've said this before. If you want to do 20 push-ups, if 20 is your goal, doing seven is better than doing zero. Doing 11 is better than doing zero.
Speaker 1:I think a goal for any wannabe writer should be completion of something that they can stand behind. That is theirs. But to get to that goal, I think you got to just do whatever you can do to get yourself to sit your ass somewhere and write, like put whatever on mute. Put whatever friendship on mute. Put whatever conversation on mute, put whatever. Like life task is pulling you in 20 different directions that you can manage on mute and just get something that is real out of your brain, something that you've been sitting with, something that's bothering you, something that's hurting you.
Speaker 1:Like just get that out on to get it into your word processor. Then look at it and like check in with yourself. Do you feel like you got it out or is it still in there? If it's still in there, keep going, write it, write some more, write some more, write some. Like if you feel like the feeling hasn't left you yet, just keep going until the feeling's out and then see what you feel next. That's the goal.
Speaker 1:Like the goal is get it from in here to out there. It's not. It's gonna be sludgy when it comes out, like it's gonna be. It's gonna have warts and be hairy and disfigured and all that, and like that's the good stuff. Don't wash all that shit out. Just give it a haircut, like just give it a little perfume, don't, don't wash out the gnarly shit. Like that's that to me, like that's the goal is. Can I just get the feeling from in here to out there and then do it again, do it again, do it again. Suddenly you're gonna be looking at something that feels like wow, that's my voice, I wrote that. And then at that point you're just polishing it to get it to a place where somebody else will want to digest it and that's like that part's a lot easier than the first part. The first part is the, I should say, that part is a lot less less time consuming than the first part. The first part. You just gotta like, you just gotta get it from inside to outside. All right, that's cool. Would you do high school again? That's another question. Would you do high school over again? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I have loved doing this project yearbook. I have loved putting it out into the world. It has been a thrill. It has been emotionally challenging. As I am learning is going to be the cycle with all of these projects, and so hopefully I will I will gain a thick skin and some level of detachment and inaccessibility to all of the responses to it.
Speaker 1:But what I have felt from it all is a reminder that what I was really looking for in this project is closure on a high school experience, not wanting to relive my high school experience as much as I again like, see, I think, understand, have a point of view on, and some level of reverence for, the high school that I went to and the community that surrounds it. What I am reminded by is there is a reason why you leave high school and you leave that community to go form your real life it's because you don't actually fit there. Like that's actually not where I'm supposed to be. You know, that's actually not where I make sense, that's not where I feel, seen the way that I necessarily want to be seen or heard or felt, and so I don't want that again. College, maybe. College I would probably do like one month of college, like one month of living in Atlanta with no responsibilities, no rules, my friends all there, a bunch of black kids having a good time, not really having to think about race very much. That I would take as a one month vacation, maybe even just a week, because I think a month at a certain point I would just be like wheezing. But yeah, that's it alright.
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