Nothing But Anarchy
"Nothing But Anarchy" hosted by Chad Sanders explores and subverts sports, media, Hollywood, and culture. Chad's vulnerable and raw commentary creates a fresh podcast experience you don't want to miss. Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET on Youtube Live.
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Executive Producer: Chad Sanders
Producer: Morgan Williams
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Nothing But Anarchy
Eps. #76 Divergent Paths: Katt Williams vs Kevin Hart, Lakers' Tension, Deciding on a Title, and TikTok Movies
Our latest episode peels back the curtain on the comedy world, offering a front-row seat to the stark differences in artistic paths. Cat Williams' recent "Club Shay Shay" interview sets the stage for a deep dive into the sacrifices and principles that shape a creative's journey, and we contrast that with Kevin Hart's trajectory, sparking revelations about creativity and commercial triumph. Then we discuss the latest news about the tension in the Lakers' lockerroom and Morgan pitches titles for a new project.
Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET to watch the show live on Youtube. Follow @chadsand on Instagram and subscribe to the Nothing But Anarchy Youtube channel for full interviews and more anarchy!
Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
This is Nothing but Anarchy, the show that explores and subverts sports, entertainment, media, hollywood, a bunch of other stuff. Whatever you think is interesting, we do it here. Welcome to Nothing but Anarchy. All right, this is Nothing but Anarchy. I'm Chad Sanders, your host. We are in. You can't even tell, but I'm just going to tell you. We're in a different studio today, so we started the show a little bit late because we had some setup stuff to do here. But that's OK. You know, sometimes you, you wait for a special performance and this is going to be a special performance because this should be a holiday in podcasting. This should be a holiday in content land. The day after a Cat Williams interview should have its own. It should have, like its own moniker, its own name. I'll come up with something clever for it to be later, but let's like, subscribe, add Chad Sanders Instagram, share the show with your friends, rate us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. We got Merchant, the link in my bio, all the stuff that you guys know.
Speaker 1:I want to get into this because I was walking around Queens yesterday with my dog, as I do when I'm trying to well, when I'm trying to tire out my dog, who has a lot of energy. But that is where, when I'm lucky on those walks, when I'm clear, when I have done the work to be available to inspiration, sometimes I get lightning bolts on those walks. That's where the name for this show came from. Was on one of those walks where I was looking for the name for an NBA show where I really wanted to just talk about, like, the under layers of sports and some of the Social dynamics that are that live there in, some of the social poisons and toxins there in, and the name came to me nothing but anarchy. That is where I got the idea for something else that we're going to talk about later on, which is a project that I'm launching next month that I'm going to be looking for a name for. Hopefully I will get a good name for it soon.
Speaker 1:But whatever I'm on that walk, I get a text from Leon, my boy, who was on here last week. He was like I forgot exactly what he said, but he's like there's a cat Williams interview and that is a special bat signal to a person like me who believes, who has to believe, that there are I'm saying to, but truly there are probably infinite number. But I'm just going to say there are two ways to lanes that you can go down in pursuit of entertainment, creative performance, as a career path, and I think that those two lanes are described and portrayed well throughout this entire interview. But if I want to apply faces to them, this is going to be a little spicy. If I want to apply faces to them, for the moment, let's go with Cat Williams and Kevin Hart, because that's what cat Williams has offered to us in this interview.
Speaker 1:Cat Williams is sitting across from Shannon Sharp, which in its in and of itself is spectacle, because Shannon Sharp is six foot four, muscle bound jacked, wearing, you know sort of like a almost skin tight figure, laying looking very expensive cloth, you know where you can see, like all of his muscular physique. He is the host of club, she, she. I have my own critiques of Shannon. I think he is walking down the Kevin Hart path, as it is, and we're talking about exactly what that path is and then across from him, sitting, just you know two feet away from him, in his you know cat Williams s garb, and I'm wearing an outfit today that I think is in the spirit of sort of like the cat Williams vibe, as as I would do it, not as exactly as he does. He's from, he's from Ohio, I'm from Maryland, like we're different people. But cat Williams is sitting there and he is all of probably five foot five, I would guess, 135 pounds. You know graying graying hair and features and looking like he has probably smoked you know five blunts already this morning but razor sharp as he always is. Like his mind is sharp, his mind is clicking and it's the. I looked.
Speaker 1:The interview already has almost five million views in less than 24 hours. It is doing fantastic numbers for Shannon. I think it's going to reverberate into the rest of the year, like I think comedians are going to come on and give their takes on Kevin's takes and it's just going to do. It's going to have that media swell of amplification that you're always looking for if you're in the media business and in a very, very, you know, in our own world which we are building right now. I am starting to watch our own content start to find its own amplification. Like I'm starting to see more and more people watching our reels, more and more people sharing our stuff. I can look at the back end that Instagram gives me as as a blue check which shows me to in great detail, like all the ways that people are sharing and looking at our content, and so the first thought I had when I looked and started this interview and noticed that it was trending number one on Twitter was this is going to be amazing for Shannon show, no matter how it goes, no matter what was said, no matter what light Shannon is painted in in this interview. Like this is great for Shannon show, and that's.
Speaker 1:Let's just set that aside for a second. All right, let's talk about two lanes. I want to start by playing two clips. The first clip is going to be Cat Williams talking about Kevin Hart, and the second clip is going to be Kevin Hart on the Breakfast Club talking about Cat Williams. So let's start with the Cat Williams clip, please.
Speaker 2:Never performed at the comedy store at all. Tiffany was only seen at the lab factory in 15 years in Hollywood. No one in Hollywood has a memory of going to a sold out Kevin Hart show. They're being aligned for him ever getting a standing ovation at any comedy club.
Speaker 2:He already had his deals when he got here. Have we heard of a comedian that came to LA and in his first year in LA he had his own sitcom on network television and had his own movie called Soul Plane that he was leading? No, we've never heard of that before that person or since that person. What do you think a plant is? Maybe people don't understand the definitions of these words? He just did his documentary with Chris Rock where he shows you that his whole upbringing in comedy was on the East Coast. Yeah, it was. So how simultaneously was he here in Los Angeles doing the same thing? Okay, can we stop it right there?
Speaker 1:All right, I'm starting here. I took 10, I wrote down 10 things from this interview that I found to be the most interesting or most important things that Cat Williams says, and this one is at the top. It is underlined. This, to me, is the part like this, in my opinion, as someone who means to be subversive, like that is a part of what I do, as someone who means to be, who wants to play the role of storyteller, truth teller, right, comedians live in that lane and within that particular lane. I think it's so easy. I want to be really clear about this.
Speaker 1:I think it's very easy for people to dismiss Cat Williams. I used to dismiss Cat Williams because I was like I'll say it's super plain he was all the things that people judge about black people. He's all the things that black people judge about other black people, and it was easy to dismiss his voice as like on that other side of the line. That's gross, right, but I'm saying it out loud and you also know that you do it. Now. I have since become more interested in what Cat Williams has to say, particularly when he's not doing stand up but when he's doing interviews, because I think he does something that so many people who consider themselves bold that they could do, which is break the fourth wall tell you what's actually going on in these rooms, in these industries, without I'm talking about saying names and faces. And he's calling out Steve Harvey, cedric, the entertainer, tiffany Haddish, like he's going down the line and call I mean Harvey Weinstein, like you name it, if he thinks that they have done something nefarious or something undermining or something grotesque. He is saying it out loud and you can hear. I love the clip because you can hear his clarity. Like you can hear, the truth is unknowable. Whether or not someone's telling the truth, I can never know that, but I can tell when someone's saying something that they believe to be true. That's how he sounds throughout this entire interview, like it's coming from inside him, through him, into the microphone. Let's talk about what he's actually saying, though.
Speaker 1:Industry plants, industry plants. We have turned into the boogeyman, right? We've turned them into Santa Claus. We've turned them into something that is folklore, and in doing so, I think we have taken away from what is actually real in the conversation around industry plants. We have made industry plants sound like across music, entertainment, even like in the tech world. There used to be this industry plant jargon or conversation around how did so and so become a CEO. He's an industry plant. Amazon is a secret investor in this company, so they just put him at the top of it so they could puppet him. People say it about media figures all the time. People call Stephen A Smith an industry plant. Let's talk about what an industry plant act, but when we say it and we sensationalize it and we make it sound like it's just so ridiculously powerful in a way that is outrageous, we reduce the value of what an industry plant actually is. There is such a real thing as an industry plant. I'm going to describe what it is right now. I'm going to describe it in the vein of what we are building right here.
Speaker 1:Right now, a big part of this media entity that we are building nothing but Anarchy is that we do the show. We rent studio time in a studio space. We do the show. We cut up little clips of it, we put them, we distribute them on YouTube and Twitter, and Instagram is the most valuable property to us right now. Tiktok, we're there too, but Instagram is where most of my following is. Then, as the Dave Chappelle clip is doing, it's got about 16,000 views in the last I want to say 12 to 18 hours. We see which ones are doing well.
Speaker 1:Then I take money out of my own little piggy bank, like $10, $20. I say, okay, for the next four days. Instagram, I want you to show this to whoever you think might like it. This is how the algorithm works. You pay the algorithm. You say, hey, algorithm, show this to other people who might like this thing. It already showed that it had some value with my audience. Let's see if there's a greater audience out there.
Speaker 1:And I tell I specifically tell the algorithm. I don't know if this is news to anybody. Maybe you guys all know this. I didn't know this seven months ago. I get to choose Okay, algorithm, the algorithm to the. The Instagram tells me okay, you can choose to send this traffic, the people that like this. You can send them to a website, you can send them to your profile or you can send them to some third place which I can't remember. And, generally speaking, I either send them to the podcast or I send them to my profile. Over time.
Speaker 1:What I'm watching happen just on like 10, $20 a day on these things. I'm watching new people who never heard of me show up because they want to see more of what I have, because I'm feeding the algorithm little sprinkles of what I can afford, which is like not a lot. Okay, 10, 20, $30 here and there. If I had a daily budget of $3,000 to pay into that, into paying to that algorithm because my content is dope, I would be able to reach tens of thousands of people a day who would want to follow along and see more of what we're building. And from there I can sell them other stuff. I can send them a yearbook, I can sell them merchandise, I can sell them digital properties. They will subscribe to my sub stack, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Right, that's how it works. I'm just like remember the formula is no matter how good or bad your product is like, if you have more money to show it to people, you have a greater opportunity to elevate as an entity.
Speaker 1:An industry plant like let's just keep it really focused in here An industry plant is just somebody who has a large bank role that somebody else gave them to feed into that system which exists everywhere. That's just paid marketing, like that's what it is what Kevin Hart is saying. I'm sorry. What Kat Williams is saying is that Kevin Hart is somebody who, on the front end of his journey, instead of taking the Kat Williams path, which is I'm going to piece all this shit together, I'm going to do the Chitlin circuit, then I'm going to do a hundred tour dates, then I'm going to put my own posters and flyers and shit up, I'm going to hire a team, I'm going to invest my own money back into this thing so that I don't have to sell away my words. I don't have to sell away my voice.
Speaker 1:I was watching Kevin Hart on the Manning Brothers telecast on ESPN2 during a football game and somebody asked him who the fuck was that? That asked him this. We talked about it. Who asked him about Josh Giddy? Patrick Beverly, yes, pat Beverly, also an anarchist on that Manning telecast asks he looks with that Pat Beverly looked that he be having. He looks at Kevin Hart and he's like so I'm paraphrasing what do you think about this Josh Giddy shit? If you remember, the Josh Giddy situation is there is a current NBA player playing every other night for the Oklahoma City Thunder who is currently accused of having sex with an underage girl, and Kevin Hart says he mumble stumbles. Do you have the quote there, morgan, or should I just paraphrase?
Speaker 4:Of the thing no.
Speaker 1:Don't worry about it. Kevin Hart says in so many words hey, man, I ain't talking about that. I got sponsors, like basically that Okay what Cat Williams is saying. I'm sorry that I'm taking so much time to get here, because this is, this is the whole to me. This is the whole thing. This is why I wish I could turn this camera around so you guys could see what's going on in a year. This is why we're doing it like this and not at a Viacom studio. Okay, this is why we're doing it like this. Can I turn this camera around? We'll cut in a shot of it later, morgan, if you can. Can you remember that? Keep taking note of that.
Speaker 1:Like this is why you do it the ski mask way, so that when somebody asks you a real question that has a substantive answer and you have a voice and you have a platform, so that you do not sit up there and say my name is Bennett and I'm not in it because you're not worried. Like nobody can take the check back. That puts you in that position in the first place. Nobody can. Nobody can do that to me. Like I, I ain't got a million dollars, but I'm doing pretty good, like I don't have I mean, I don't have a million dollars as a budget for this show, I don't have a hundred thousand dollars to spend every week on marketing, but like I can invest my own shit back into this, because what I cannot sell away, which is what Cat Williams is saying throughout this interview, he's saying it to Steve Harvey, he's saying to Cedric the entertainer, he's saying it to Harvey Weinstein, he's saying it to Kevin Hart, saying to the next person, the next person, the next person is what I cannot sell away is my impulse to say what I have to say when I have to say it. Those are two divergent roads. There's the Kevin Hart road, where you take the money, you take the sponsor, you take the meet, you take the movie opportunity and you trade in doing so, you trade your creative power to have autonomy over your words in every situation. And there's this other road, and I'm not, I'm not glorifying Cat Williams as, like I don't know Cat Williams personal life, I don't know if he's been, you know it's 2024. And so I'm not going to say I'm not pledging allegiance to anybody, because I know the next thing that comes is y'all be like. Well, in 2014, he did this thing and in 2003,. He did that thing. I'm fine, that's not what. That's not the point I'm making here.
Speaker 1:The point I'm making here is there are two paths. There's the path where you take the money, the easy money, and you sell away your words and you sell away what you have to say. And then there's the path that is. This path is the Cat Williams path, is the Gucci man path. This is the fucking, this is the brown paper bag path. Okay, this is the path where you make $50 and you invest $50 back into your thing because you got to build it brick by brick, inch by inch. And the truth is and this part is to me a revelation of the last few years I don't even think you choose which one is for you. I think that that is a choice that has been made for you already. You are either this type of person or that type of person.
Speaker 1:I told you guys a few years ago, somebody who I could not. I would be sick right now If I had taken the money. Somebody said I know you're broke. I got $250,000 a year for you for the next two years so that everything that you do creatively belongs to me, and I needed that money so bad. I cannot tell you all how bad I need that money.
Speaker 1:It took me years to get back to that kind of money opportunity, but I just not because of some sort of rational calculation. I had no spreadsheet. It wasn't like I wasn't looking at a forecast. I didn't have all these deals in front of me. I was just like, quite literally, my body cannot say yes to it. It's not in my chemistry, and I think that there are people who can do that, like Kevin Hart, and I think there are people who can't do that, like Kat Williams, and Kat Williams is making that point over and over and over throughout the internet and throughout the interview and he's hilarious while doing it. Can we play the? Can we play the Kevin Hart clip? Because this I don't want to. This is not going to be a one-sided. I want to tell you all something about the other path and how they see people on my path.
Speaker 3:My frustration with Kat Williams comes from. You keep pointing at Hollywood, Hollywood, this, the white man, this, this and this. When do you take responsibility for your actions? You had the shot. Kat was in that position at one point you were the guy.
Speaker 3:You were set up to be the star. You didn't show up to work. You fucked off promo shoots. You fucked off your promo fucking trips that they had set up for you. You became a risk to the studios, which is why the studios stop fucking with you. Why was he a risk? He chose drugs. Oh, okay, take responsibility for what you chose and say you know what I got to fix me and I'm going to come back and I'm going to stand up for comedy. So when you say Tiffany Haddish doesn't deserve or isn't really a comedian and these other women have worked hard, which they have Shout out to Melanie Commute, come on, joe.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Lue Naum. Shout out to Leslie Jones, who are all underneath the umbrella of Kat Williams. Kat Williams, have you ever used your platform to fucking bring the people that were under you up? You haven't so, because you haven't don't shit on those that now are. I've used my platform and I've brought my guys and girls up. The brand of Captain Heart is a brand that's expanded so fucking far. Whether you like me or not, my presence at comedy will forever be felt. I'm a fucking boss.
Speaker 1:All right, we can cut it, all right. There's a lot said there. There's a lot of self-aggrandizing going on in that clip, there's a lot of Charlemagne going, but the most important thing that he says is at the beginning, which is Kat Williams had a chance to be in the Kevin Hart slot and for all intents and purposes, I think that's true, and Kevin Hart is spelling it out clearly. He's like you're the one that showed up for work, you're the one that was a headache to the studios, you're the one who did this, that and the third, and he's saying it in a way that is critical. This is the litmus test right here.
Speaker 1:If you think somebody being at odds with studios makes them a burnout, makes them a flunky, makes them a problem child, that is a way of looking at the world, where the job of the person who has an opportunity is to make themselves aligned with power, and that is quite literally, I think, the fastest way to get somewhere. I'm just going to call a spade a spade, because I like movies and I like dope art. If what you're solving for is speed, you can be Kevin Hart, which means you will make $20, $20 million movies and you will never make a good fucking movie. That applies to every industry. If you want speed, speed is something to solve for. Like speed you can have and you will not make something dope, you will not. You will lay awake at night still wondering when am I going to do my fire shit? When are they going to see me for how great I am? Because they can see you. But they see you as McDonald's, they see you as Cheesecake Factory. They don't see you as Rolos. You guys don't even know what that is. You're not hip. But this is my point. This is my point of everything, which is like intention matters.
Speaker 1:When I hear Kat Williams in that interview talking about touring 100 stops in America, from Shreveport, louisiana, to Chitlin, circuit spots in Alabama, denver, colorado, wyoming, los Angeles, detroit, oakland, and having sold out shows in that room with no body else holding the puppet strings. He gets to talk to black folks, white folks, latin folks, asian folks, indian folks, everybody. He gets to talk to Republicans and Democrats and independents and conservatives and liberal and he gets to just see the people and then he gets to go do that in the rest of the world and he never has to look back and check with somebody and be like yo am I doing okay? Like, here's your kickback. Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity.
Speaker 1:Did I say the wrong thing? Did I call it the wrong person? Somebody asked me about an underage girl and an NBA player. I didn't say nothing. That's what I'm supposed to do, right? Never having to do that and still getting to go live that dream. And instead of being Kevin Hart with 100 million zillion Instagram followers or whatever, you're Kat Williams and you got, you have real world notoriety. This stuff, that is the dream to me. That is my dream. Like that's it. And I never have to go on an interview and tell a lie and I never have to go say somebody's dope who's a fuck boy? That's the fucking dream. All right, we're going to go. I think we got it in there.
Speaker 1:Morgan, do you understand what the point is here? There are divergent paths. You can do it that other way and I'm I'm sorry. Morgan told me we had a phone call. She was like when the segment is over, it's over. You move on to the next segment and I'm going to do that. Morgan sent me a one minute and 15 second voice note to say that, and she could have said it like 10 seconds, but she's so she's. She doesn't want to upset me, which I appreciate, but it's okay, morgan, you're the boss, you were captain Morgan, okay. All I want to say is this part's personal Most of my friends in who work in this industry are taking the Kevin Hart path and in their own ways, in private with each other, in little conversations where I can't.
Speaker 1:He's my friend, so I still love him, but I know what time it is. In little conversations where I haven't been able to hear them, they judged me for being hardheaded and ornery in doing it this other way and, like I said, I still love y'all, but that hurt my feelings and everybody's path is not for everybody. Like, if you, if you I'm going to be saying how I actually mean it, which is, if you don't have the stomach for the cat Williams path, then try the Kevin Hart path. But you will, you will, you will pay the troll toll your whole freaking life. I've met Kevin Hart, I've never met cat Williams, but that's it.
Speaker 1:When we come back? All right, so this is what we're going to do. We're going to do the segment break when we come back. I'm going to do, I'm going to quickly shoot off 10 things from the Kevin Hart. I'm from the cat Williams interview that I liked. I'm literally just going to agree or disagree with what he says. I'm going to make it so snappy and quick because I think we can get two good reels out of this one. Because it's so buzzy, I think we can take that first spiel and set up the diversion pass thing as one real and then I think we can also do a fun like quick, like zing zing. These are the 10 things, kevin Hart. I wish their names started with different levers. These are 10 things, and I wish that one of them were over five foot 10. These are the 10 things that cat Williams said that stuck with me the most from that interview, and I could have done 30, but like there's 10. Okay, all right. So these are the 10 things that cat Williams said in that interview. That they're not all quotes, but they are points that were made that I just want to respond to quickly Because, again, I do think that outside of my particular corners of the internet, I think that many people will write off this conversation between an ex football player and cat Williams as if, like this is some sort of lower form of conversation.
Speaker 1:But there is quite salient information there, man. There's information everywhere. All right, um, start with number one. I already hit on it. But, like industry plants, are they real or not? Like, yes, of course they're real. You give me, if you give me and somebody else who has the exact same talent, creative level, output et cetera as me, uh, a one, if you give one or the other of us, I'm $1 million marketing budget over the next year. Like, you have no idea how big I would make this thing over the course of that year with that budget. But the question is just like, what would it cost me? What would those strings cost me?
Speaker 1:Um, you keep saying over and over that cat Williams says over and over, there's a cabal in Hollywood, there is a group, there are many, he says actually, but there are these little factions of people who are moving, as he speaks openly about, like the Illuminati and I don't know other groups, other groups of power players that move things around. But like, there are also those at some point I'm just going to own it Like me and the 45 to 60 year old crowd. We don't see eye to eye in my industry. Um, because all that stuff that they be preaching about pulling people up and opening doors and all the other stuff like that is those are talking points, like that's marketing. That has not been what I have seen in my experience. I have named the people who actually have opened doors for me, but there are two of those people or three of those people for every 100 people who have known exactly who I am, what I could do, and chosen to see me as competition instead of as somebody who they could, they could mentor or they could open a door for it, they could partner with to get a like. So make one plus one equal three. So he's right, there are cabals in Hollywood and they do act to keep people out of certain places. Um, this is a good one.
Speaker 1:Kat Williams, first name basis comedian world like a world renowned known comedian is saying rapes not funny. He's like that's not funny. He says it. He's just like. They tried to get me to do a rape scene in in I think it was in Friday and he's just like at that point he was early in his career, this was his big shot and he had to ask, kind of with his hat in hand can we please not do this? That people getting raped is not funny. And the studio said, okay, we'll take it out. Um, couldn't agree more. Man Rapes just it's just like. It's just like. It's just literally not funny. That's like I think a comedian's telling you that it's true.
Speaker 1:Friday after next was the movie Friday after next. Thank you, um, this one was spicy. He said it several times, over and over. He said that the Hollywood success starter kit for black people, black men specifically, is you get fame, you get money and they you are distributed. I'm going to I literally want to close my eyes when I say this cause it's so, cause it because it. It is such a gross corner of a conversation that is so scary for me to even stick my toe in. But he says and you get a weird face, light skinned wife. He said it so many times I can't even look at the camera. He said it several times and I, not I. You all know what he's talking about. Like you all know what he's talking about.
Speaker 1:Here's how I can say it in a way that is not gross, which is um pattern matching in the dating pool in Hollywood is so. It is so cookie cutter Like it is. It is like to a height, skin tone, facial feature, body type, hairstyle, smell, scent, like what, what worn scents are chosen. It is so like I remember walking into some of these parties at the beginning of this I talked about this where I walked into these parties and I could tell I was invisible in a way that was in some ways actually protection for me, because I had nothing to offer, um, nothing that was valuable in those rooms. I just remember being like damn, this is so fucked up, but like I can't tell the difference between these people. Like I can't, I can't tell where one person ends and the next person begins, because everybody looks the exact same. It's like someone has issued. There are ways people describe these people and I don't want to get gross with it, but it's like it's I said it. It's like the KFC chicken. It's like somebody just chose exactly the type of chicken that we could eat, which is like all breasts and thighs, a certain amount of cooking done to it and that's it All right, I've done too much here. I'm moving on.
Speaker 1:Um, competition as fuel is a theme in this interview. I spent probably the last four years telling myself do not feel competitive. Competitive competition is a waste of energy. Um, you know, abundance mindset over scarcity mindset. What are we competing for? There are no scarce resources, and I like it every now and then when I see an interview where someone is just being honest to say a part of how I knew I could make it. I feel this way Part of how I could knew I and how I knew I could make it was seeing people who couldn't write get writer jobs. Does that mean Morgan? Does that mean?
Speaker 4:No, I think that's real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like seeing people who I knew weren't clever or smart.
Speaker 5:That's definitely real.
Speaker 1:Is that mean though?
Speaker 5:No, I feel that way.
Speaker 1:That's real, yeah, like seeing people who I knew couldn't do the thing. Like seeing people whose mind, I know, wasn't quick get TV jobs, get podcasts, get book deals. Like people like when I say literally people who I knew couldn't write, get book deals, I mean people who had to hire book writers to help them write their book. When I do that because I will do that eventually, I will do it because I don't feel like writing the book, but, like I just wrote my second book, I'll write my ass off. I saw people who were marketers becoming authors and that shit. I'm not letting go of that. Like, every time I see somebody who I know is not hot, get an opportunity, it does remind me it's starting now to work in a more healthy way, where I'm like, oh, that must be easier than it looks because look at this fool. All right, you guys said it wasn't mean, so I said it. I'm going to use the mean meter, the Morgan mean meter, more. All right, he said this shit, my goal was to get this far in Hollywood with a virgin asshole. He said that without sucking a penis. Now, let's take, let's just take sexuality out of it for a second. Like I think what he means is like my goal was to get this far in Hollywood without having to do something for someone else. That was depraved, something that was taking from my humanity or my ability to have choice and agency over my body, I mean. And he's being literal, like cause he talks about people in the interview who would do sexual favors for opportunity.
Speaker 1:I am also here to tell y'all, like, not that I did that, if that's where he thought I was going, but that that's also a real thing, obviously, like we all know that now, but like it's kind of different when you just know it, know it. Um, so yeah, that's real. He says I prefer the company of women no disrespect to these to these groups of guys who ride around together, but I just prefer to work with women. Um, ditto, that's easy, morgan, is that sure? False Ditto? Like the bar for a guy to for me to work with a guy is probably, you know, 30 or 40% higher than it is for me to work with a lady. Um, because there's so much that guys take off the table by being around sometimes, like there's so much, there's so much more navigation of ego, there's so much more like sloppiness. Am I being politically incorrect? Is this?
Speaker 4:I mean I think women are capable of being sloppy and having big egos.
Speaker 1:but I guess, like statistically, I guess- Guys are just a tougher hang to me. I'm just going to leave it at that. Yes, women, you are quite capable of being sloppy. Thank you, morgan is here to stand up for you. Yes, you are also sloppy. Well said, captain Morgan, I'm just going to do one more, because 10 feels like too long. Last one Morgan wanted me to add this one.
Speaker 4:No, I really, you didn't. I just threw it on there because okay, josh, I mean I did see it up, I did see it up. Did Morgan or did she do it? Did you see it up?
Speaker 1:Did Morgan or did she not want me to add this?
Speaker 5:one Was this, right before we got started.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 5:Y'all know what I was going through right before we got started. Oh, no, no, no, it wasn't, it was during the break just now. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:About Tyler Perry and.
Speaker 5:Ricky Smiley. Oh, okay yeah.
Speaker 1:Morgan wanted me to add Tyler Perry and Ricky Smiley. He said Cat Williams said can't play a man to save their life. I was watching a Goldman Sachs interview between some 50-year-old white guy executive and Tyler Perry and it was like meant to be this very serious conversation with Tyler Perry, the Titan of Media, the billion-dollar man owner of Tyler Perry Studios down in Atlanta, and they're having this very I mean like very serious conversation about oh, this paints the picture so well. They are having this very important conversation about Tyler Perry's career and everything he has built yes, morgan, sorry, your phone is just turning and like who he is and what he means and who he is as a businessman and his mantras and his discipline and his vision. And they get to like the 40-minute mark of this interview and this dude wants Tyler Perry to basically do the media voice. And I'm like yo cautionary tale man, like listen, this is not. I'm not Spike, I'm not. Whoever wants to put a dress on, put it on. That's how I feel. This is not about like. This is not about like I have an issue with guys putting on dresses and I think we have so overcooked that meal as a conversation in our community. It's just a conversation about what it takes for you to get where you're going. Those things don't just go away. Like Tyler Perry is going to be asked to do the media voice he got billion dollars. Like he's going to be asked to do the media voice until his last breath. And I can tell while watching that conversation that Tyler Perry, he, didn't want to do it. It felt like he, I don't, and I, and if and if a billion dollars doesn't give you the right to just be like nope, don't feel like it and don't ask me no more questions about that. Or to tell somebody before the interview like do not ask me about that. Like he did not want to do the thing but he did it in a way that looked like muscle memory pandering and I was like man. I don't want to feel like that in an interview at the peak, at the pinnacle of my career. I don't like, what is the point of all this? All right, that's the last one I'm not doing anymore. Did I say the point of that? Cat Williams said Tyler Perry and Ricky Smiley couldn't play a man to save their life. All right, um, which I disagree with. I think Tyler Perry is quite passable as an actor, uh, playing men. Okay, that's it. That is it for our cat Williams coverage today. I will not know backward steps. I will not step backward into that segment for the rest of this show. Um, morgan, do you have handy the screenshot I took on your phone of the highlighted text? So, not, not yet. So I was driving in today.
Speaker 1:I you know what's so such a weird phenomenon that we I bet we all have is like the muscle memory of app clicking, just like the muscle memory. For me, it's like this rotation of my gchat, my texts, my Instagram, occasionally Reddit. It's just like. It's just a little, it's like a muscle memory of like I'm not even thinking about it, I'm just an overdrive just like looking through these things, just cycling through these apps, and because that's where my communication like there's some people I text with a couple of people, I gchat with my Instagram is where I go to like check on the progress of whatever we are putting out into the world, and sometimes those things reveal stuff that you don't really want in your day, like they bring things that you don't want your day to you. But this was, in a way, kind of one of those, but not exactly one of those. So I was driving I looked at gchat Justin had gchatted me that there was a sham's Chiranya report about the Lakers locker room.
Speaker 1:This is as if this were on a schedule. This is it feels like sham's had this report ready to go and timed for the second that the Lakers went under 500. They went under 500 last night. They're now three and eight. I want to say, since the play in tournament, maybe three and 12. I'm sorry, three and they actually maybe three and 11, whatever. They're really bad.
Speaker 1:Since the play in, since the in season tournament, which they won, not the play in tournament I started to listen. I know this. I'm going to stop doing this to y'all. Honestly, the LeBron James fan experience is bad. I know it is. It sucks, it's not fun anymore. It hasn't been fun for y'all since the bubble. Like I'm sorry and I keep every time I know that the LeBron James fan base is in a very sensitive spot, I cannot help myself but to start like flicking things at them.
Speaker 1:So what I started doing the rounds with yesterday before this sham's report, I saw that they're about to play the Miami Heat without Jimmy Butler. I saw that the Lakers were 500 and I realized, oh shit, the Lakers season might be going in the tank and Lakers fans have built up a I'm sorry LeBron fans have built up like their talking points their mental resistance to the idea that LeBron season might be falling apart. They tell themselves, oh well, you know, we're only at the 40 game mark and he can still do this and he can make this move and he can do this thing or whatever. But sometimes, like sometimes it's just falling apart, like sometimes LeBron goes on vacation and then that's it, like the season's over. So this time I was getting in front of what they were going to do once the Lakers went under 500. So I start texting a couple Lakers fans and I'm like hey, I'm like hey, hey, hey, it's your, it's your wild chatty.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm like hey, hey, hey, hey. Like. That's my tone Basically it's like hey, it's me again. Uh, I said, and I believe, this if the Lakers do not make the playoffs this year, that is a really bad look for the end season tournament. Like if the winner of your end season tournament is not in the, you don't even have to be in the top half of the league to make the playoffs. 20 out of 30 teams make the play in and and 16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs Like that's more than half. You are more likely to make the playoffs than to miss the playoffs. The post, the post season. If the Lakers are not among those teams and they won the end season tournament, what value does that end season tournament have? What does it actually mean? Will anybody care? What do you do with that stupid ass banner that the Lakers put up that says in season tournament champs.
Speaker 1:These guys were literally popping champagne in a locker room three weeks ago. Now there isn't. There is a sham's Chiranya piece coming out saying that there's turmoil in the locker room because they are not. They do not like Darwin Ham's rotations. They don't like the way that he's coaching the team. Um, let me remind you guys of the important elements here. The Bron James agent is Rich Paul. Rich Paul's agency is clutch sports. Clutch sports represents none other than sham's Chiranya, the writer of this piece, the journalist, the journalist Um, the timing of this thing and the message in this thing are they could not be any less opaque, they could not be any more clearly, couldn't be any more transparent.
Speaker 1:I read the piece. This part was like. This part was like hilarious. There is no LeBron James quote in the piece and LeBron James did not speak to the media after yesterday's loss, after last night's loss to the Miami Heat. The quotes in the piece are from Aunt Davis and Austin Reeves and remember, on this show, I told you guys, austin Reeves wasn't like that and that's fine. Lebron James doesn't have to give a quote because he, lebron James, has produced an entire piece. Like shamstirania is the writer that works for clutch sports.
Speaker 1:Clutch sports is owned by Rich Paul, who LeBron James has put in position to be rich Paul, like this is in those ways. This is like this is like a masterclass of owning your Story, owning your marketing as a superstar. Lebron James, he is doing that. He is the one who is able to say Okay, now I want something to be said. He might have already said, like I want Darwin ham out of here, and so maybe what he needs to do is start laying the breadcrumbs here that say I want Darwin ham out of here, and so I need people to know from a respected journalist.
Speaker 1:Shamstirania is one of the two most respected journalists in NBA basketball. The two are him and Adrian Wojnarowski. I need people to hear a voice that they respect, saying that the Lakers do not like what's happening with Darwin ham as the coach, and LeBron doesn't even have to drop a quote in it. He doesn't even have to put his voice to it because he has. He has shamstirania's feed as an entire publication of LeBron James's voice. I'm happy to watch the Lakers crash and burn, but that's not as interesting as what I think I'm about to say, which is LeBron James as a, as a storyteller, I think, has mastered the millennial experience which is as a generation.
Speaker 1:We because I am a millennial are so so much more adept, so much more Effective at telling the story of how great we are then, of actually being great at something. Lebron James is stretching for NBA championships out Through story, through documentary, through shamstirania, through interviews, through the shop through being a celebrity, through space jam. He is stretching for NBA championships out as if they were 17. He is stretching for MVPs out as if they were seven, like. He is great, no doubt one of the greats, absolutely Not in conversation with Michael Jordan, but one of the all-time greats, probably the second or third greatest player of all time.
Speaker 1:But he is like, as far as telling the story of how great you are as an athlete, he is number one and there is no second place, because this man Hired a journalist to tell the story of how he wants things to go and how he wants things to be run. And again, I just like. We just talked about this. That's the industry path, that's the popular kids table path and if you root for that, you're a fucking schmuck. Okay, um, let's go to music. And then you want me to read my the quote you don't know.
Speaker 1:What was the quote?
Speaker 4:Yeah, please, During davis's availability, james, whose lockers right next to davis, dressed and left the locker room without speaking with reporters.
Speaker 1:That is correct. That is what I am saying. They go one game under 500. Okay, remember, dog, okay more. You did this. Now I'm back.
Speaker 1:Like remember how he remember what his face was like? Ah, do y'all remember how giddy he was about winning the in-season, the in-season tournament guys, something that we don't even know what it is yet? Do you remember him standing next to Adam Silver making jokes about the vegas franchise, talking about I know how much the checks are, but my teammates don't for winning this thing? Like, do you remember like he was basically skipping, he was doing a. He was like doing a victory lap around this arena for winning the in-season tournament. Yo, that was like a month ago. Now he's not talking to reporters on the way out of the locker room, because why the fuck would he talk to reporters? He has shams.
Speaker 1:Morgan's laughing because I did one of these motions. Like that's the other thing about cat williams and, honestly, like that's the thing about when you wear shit like this, it makes you more feminine. It just does like, it just makes you do shit with your hands. Like Um, it honestly feels really good. I feel so free. I also was thinking on the way in here when we do live show. I'm not gonna wear this because now I have worn this, but like, I think I want to wear something like this for the live show, like something kind of like kind of loose and like Magical.
Speaker 1:All right, okay, first of all, before we get moving any further, morgan has a gogurt, and josh pointed it out and he's like that's the most morgan head-ass thing and it is like morgan, you are a such a highly describable person. That's how, that's what I would say about you. Like, if someone needed to, if I needed to, I have described morgan a hundred times at this point and it's so, it's like so easy to describe her because you're, you're, you're, so, you're like, so, tentos down and also, um, okay, this is, this is a serious question, don't you take this as a compliment? But it is kind of a compliment. Um, also, hold on, hold on, hold up. First of all, let me start here. Come back to compliments. Morgan, you're a very confident person. Yes, would you agree with that?
Speaker 4:uh, I would say like fairly fairly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I read you as a very confident person. That's good, do you okay? Well, if you lined up all your friends let's say you have a hundred friends because you do when would you stand? Where would you rank in terms of confidence, like, actually like true confidence?
Speaker 4:uh, I guess in terms of what Style career like as a human being.
Speaker 1:I feel confident in who I am. That's the thing.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay, okay, probably like towards, towards the top.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah like top 10.
Speaker 4:Um, yeah, we like top, top 10, top 15. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1:All right. Um, actually, this is an interesting question because you have a lot like you have, a cabal of model friends. Are they confident?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I feel like they all have like a strong sense of self. I feel like you have to be for that industry got you um, now, here's the thing, here's the other thing.
Speaker 1:I've said this before, I gotta say it again. Does it pain you to give me a compliment?
Speaker 4:No, it doesn't feel when you give me a compliment.
Speaker 1:No, it just gave me a compliment. I forgot what was it. You said it a couple days ago.
Speaker 4:Oh, I think I said uh.
Speaker 1:You said you do, you make good visuals.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said, oh yeah, you paint good pictures.
Speaker 1:But every time you give me a compliment, I can feel. I can feel that you want the moment to pass so fast.
Speaker 4:It's like You're the only told me I can't be complimenting men out here, but not me.
Speaker 1:Like I'm your, I'm your co-worker, I'm your fucking partner. Like it feels like you want to actually write the compliment down and like Slide it under my door and so you can disappear. Like Okay, I'm just gonna leave it at that. Um, but you would agree that you don't enjoy giving me compliments.
Speaker 4:No, I do, but I feel like I want to spread them out. Why not?
Speaker 1:like all right, let's that's. That's actually what I want. What were you actually gonna? What were you gonna talk about?
Speaker 4:We're gonna talk about my title pitches.
Speaker 1:All right. Oh, let's do the title pictures. I think this this will segue to that, okay, um.
Speaker 4:But should we explain why we're doing them?
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course but first I want to close this out, which is to say that I think that that is Like. I don't think you're alone in that. I think people feel like they want to spread out their compliments to me and I want all my compliments bundled. I want them now. I might not like you, might not feel the way that you feel two weeks from now, you might not still like me. So, like, give them to me up front, okay, whatever, don't do it. Don't do it. You're not gonna do it. No one is Um. All right, I'm about to. This is okay. This is like an anarchy. This is an anarchy treat because I'm about to let the cat out of the bag on something that is technically not going to be announced until Monday, this Monday, which is also my mommy's birthday. Happy birthday, mommy, um.
Speaker 1:But I'm about to embark on a, an exploratory project. In the ways that I have explored Money and the relationship black entertainers have to money or black leaders. In the ways that I explained that I explored um Lessons learned through hardship that black people use in business. In the ways that I explored One very crazy year of my high school experience in yearbook. In the ways that I explored the concept. Ah, not exactly. It's not so similar to how we explored things in quitters, but like in the way that I do, which I think is like headfirst, like all glimpse in the boat, like we're doing this. I'm gonna be honest, I'm going to ask questions that I actually have About this subject matter. If you like how I dive into something, I'm going to bring that to and this is I like stepping into things that scare me. I like stepping into things that are actually Really going on in my life. I'm going to dive in in that way for the concept of love, specifically romantic love. I'm an adult. I feel like I can. I feel like there was no point until probably a couple years ago that I could have, like Maturally and with my head on my shoulders, explored this concept in a way that I would feel good about, both artistically and as a just like, in a humanitarian way, if that, if that makes sense, like I'm going to explore, like all of the edges and corners of romantic love and and this, this is just what it is.
Speaker 1:This will be my first time putting one of my projects behind a paywall that I own. It's going to be on a sub-stack and it's going to include audio and written elements. It's going to include conversations that I have with other people. Like this is a super tease. The first conversation is with Nina Gloster. If you guys know who if any of y'all know who that is very talented screenwriter producer in Hollywood, also from my hometown. I also went to college with her. I also went to high school with her, also went to the prom with her.
Speaker 4:It is going what's your?
Speaker 1:type of intro I mean. I mean like I I'm going to be asking people to subscribe to something and so I'm really. Everything I've done to this point has been for free to the consumer Mostly. I mean like rap shit is on max, but like it's been free as far as my exchange with them. Even my project on audible is free, direct deposit. But this is the first one I'm putting behind a paywall because the way that I'm going to explore it, both in terms of, like tactically, what it's going to take to pull it off, like to the production of it, but also, just frankly, my own emotional investment in it I need money, like I need money for it. I need money to finance it Cause I don't want to like half step it and I want to be able to keep it going and growing over time.
Speaker 1:I'm single. I live in New York city, probably going to move to another big city full of, you know, single people. There's a lot going on in my life that I'm learning from right now regarding love and romantic love, and I don't just mean like my life is a party, cause it's not. What I really mean is like I am processing, you know, the end of a relationship. I am processing what it looks like what it would look like to be in a new relationship. I'm processing like what it's like to get to know other people and I also want to have conversations with people whose point of views on love I respected and admire. In fact, I've had a funny conversation with, I've had a funny conversation with the person that I'm working with who's kind of like acting as doing the job of Morgan on that thing. I'm going to stop calling people producers. I'm going to start calling them Morgans. Is that okay with you, morgan? Sure?
Speaker 4:I don't know other people will feel that way, don't call me.
Speaker 1:Morgan no, not you, I mean Josh. I'm going to call them Morgans and Josh. Those are the those I'm like. I'm looking to hire a new job. I'm looking to hire a new Morgan and a new Josh for a different project, but I mean Morgan's, great, but I'm still me.
Speaker 5:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:I mean, and you guys do different jobs, like you guys do completely different jobs. So but this, the Morgan job, is like it's like I don't know why I just got the visual of a snake charmer and I'm the snake like coming out of the thing, like that's kind of the job. It's like you're, you're, you're exercising somebody's like, somebody's creative output, basically Like that is the job and that's your own form of creativity, so that, anyway, who cares? No, that person doing the job of Morgan, doing her own version of that job, so she's her own person, good, good. Thank you, morgan.
Speaker 4:Why did I start to talk about that. We're going to talk about titles.
Speaker 1:Okay, here we go, here we go, but there was a specific thing here. All right, fuck it. I'm doing a project on love and we're going to talk about titles because I think I think I am great at titles. I think I'm like, so I think I always have a title that's like boom, that's the title. You kind of know what it is. If you don't, the subtitle tells you exactly what is. It's catchy, it's quippy. I'm so excited about my book title.
Speaker 1:Like Morgan wanted to do this exercise with the book title, I was like there are no other titles for this book. This book title is so hot, it's going to be so spicy, it's going to like people are going to be like, they're going to be like what the fuck is going on with this book? Like, what is this thing about to say in here? Anyway, I need a title that I feel like that about for this love project. And like love the type, like words. They have letters, letters have feelings, they have pronunciations, they have visuals. You can, when you say the word love, can you guys see it? Do you see it? When I see the word love, it's very like, it's doughy, it's like the letters are like inflated balloons almost basically, and they're generally like, almost like pastel colored or toned or whatever. I need a title that has love in. I need a title that has love in the title and I'm going to see if I can get Monica Padman to come on as one of the guests, which I think would really fucking set it off on this thing but I need a title that has love in the title. I think it needs to be fewer than four words, so one, two or three words, and it can't be.
Speaker 1:Love On love is something that is, but it's like it doesn't it. Love is such a like that it needs to also have something that clicks with it. It's like and we've thrown around like silly ones, like like love and chattiness, like love and happiness, chad on love. Cause the name Chad? If you don't even know who I am, it has such a like. Chad and the word love are almost like antithetical, like a Chad is like a fucking bro-ey-ass dickhead who isn't in touch with himself, and the word love is meant to be the opposite of those things. So we threw around some things like that but like we just don't have the one, that's just like zing, just like boom, like it's that's it. So, all right, morgan, morgan has some title ideas. Morgan I'm going to be I'm not usually like this, but I'm going to be my most like Simon from from American Idol version of myself with these names, so please don't take it personally.
Speaker 4:No worries, so, but can I tell you my thought process?
Speaker 1:Yes, go.
Speaker 4:So I, my thought process was okay, love, like what is synonymous, what do I think of when I think of love? And then also like what I think you like, like what your like interests are. So I think my last one is the best, but I'll start with, like you know, okay, so the first one, chemical explosions with Chad Sanders, because it's, like you know, endorphins going off and you love.
Speaker 1:Okay, hold on. So I think that, to be honest with you, I actually like that name, but I don't think it tells somebody what the show is enough. I need the name to be able to tell somebody what the. I don't even want to call it a show. It's a. It's a project. It's going to have multiple dimensions, but I need somebody to know what it is. They're not going to know exactly what it is, but, like, I need them to know enough of what they're walking into.
Speaker 4:So this is good, because I didn't know what your process was with titles, so I didn't know that you like titles that cause some people like titles that are super like ambiguous. Yeah, you're not that. So that kind of takes a couple of these out.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you, but I'm going to tell you what. So it depends. Like I still want to hear the titles because we can still talk about them as words. But Black Magic was a title of a book that had a subtitle which told you exactly what it was. The title itself didn't tell you anything about it, but the combination between title, author, subtitle you knew what you were walking into. Same for direct deposit. Direct deposit was what happens when Black people get rich. It's like it's like the title is a zingy and then the subtitle is this is what it is and then, like, in my opinion, then you're in Yearbook I. So I didn't come up with the yearbook title. I like the yearbook title because it works for the armchair expert audience. It's nostalgic, it's sweet, it's romantic, it's honest. It's like it's things that America wants to believe, that America is so there.
Speaker 4:Okay, the other one is the beat skip.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, morgan, your face when you deliver these. You're like okay, the beat skip. It takes me a second to know what that is and it's like okay, there's a Stephen King called Stephen King book, called on writing, which I like because it is one, because it tells you what it is, but also because the name is so it's like so dry, like it's like dry as a bone, but the author is Stephen King, so you know it's gonna be like, you know it's gonna have some juice, even though the name is so like dry and anything that skews a little bit too cute for me. I am gonna be out on for the name of this thing because it's already about love, right? So the beat skip is a no for me.
Speaker 4:Okay, fine.
Speaker 1:How do you feel? How do you feel hearing no?
Speaker 4:It's okay, blindfolded Cause, like you don't know, I kind of liked that one. Okay.
Speaker 1:So I liked the visual of that one.
Speaker 4:It doesn't have love in it, but right. But love is like wearing a blind.
Speaker 1:Yeah love is blind. It's kind of sexy too, like I see people at like a.
Speaker 4:Party event where you wear blindfolds like a speed dating thing, all right, let's put it.
Speaker 1:Let's put an asterisk next to that one. I don't know I. The other thing about this is this if I'm asking people to Do, oh, blindfolded, that's kind of hot. I like that.
Speaker 4:Good job, morgan. Thanks, okay, I'll just give you one more, because it's already 122. My last one, which I think is the best Can we be termites? What, morgan? What does that mean? Termites mate for life. They're insects that made for I. This one is so specific, I'm not gonna lie, that's perfect.
Speaker 5:You knew that about termites. No, I'm thinking about your love of insects.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I do like so termites are the only like insects that mate for life, and so like can we be termites, like?
Speaker 1:I don't know okay, Um, I Don't think it tells people what it is enough but it's uh educational Because they could look up it causes.
Speaker 4:It puts a little work on the audience member, sure, but it's.
Speaker 1:It's an effective audience member. So here's the thing, though is like okay, a couple things. First of all, morgan never change Um, I'm not saying it's, I'm not saying it's bad, I'm not saying it's bad. When I have, when I have to market it, I'm like I'm trying to think about, like, how many times can I write, can we be termites on my Instagram stories? How many times can I say it? How many times?
Speaker 1:And like, when someone sees it for the first, like the title that I've actually been Playing around with in my head is literally just Chad on love. Like that's it, because the name Chad is evocative, like it means most people when they hear Chad, they're thinking of like a bro, we white guy with like spiked hair and then love and those two things have. They have this thing, so this thing. What do you know what that means? No, okay, you're like Contrast is what I mean they have. Like there's a tension there between Chad and love, which so annoying.
Speaker 1:Also, like when you're on something you're like you're like on a drug, like you're now Chad blindfolded it's kind of interesting love. Like I like blindfolded the termites thing. I also I'm too visual with words, so like I literally see bugs and I'm like that's gross, I don't. And I also got to think about the audience that I expect to be the core audience of this. I'm I am just judging on what my audience already is. I expect it's going to be like women between 28 and like 45, and I'm not, I'm this 2024, but I don't know if they would love to keep having to think about termites over and over and over again.
Speaker 4:That is a fair critique.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 5:Can I remix something you said in this conversation, because you said tension between Chad and love and I was just like that almost sounds like a title right there the tension between Chad and love, tension between Chad and love or even just between Chad and love.
Speaker 4:Oh, josh, that's good. Stole my thunder damn the second one.
Speaker 5:Yeah, also, I've titled like five podcasts for people.
Speaker 4:Well.
Speaker 1:I've never titled anything so Between Chad and love is real good.
Speaker 5:Just taking off of, like you saying you wanted to keep it something simple, like Chad on love, like I feel like that sounds slightly More interesting remix to that.
Speaker 1:Between Chad and love. It's got. It's got between the world and me vibes. But that but pretty world, me is so over there that it doesn't have any like.
Speaker 4:And then the cover could be you in a blindfold. I like the black, the blind.
Speaker 5:I like blindfolded too, though we can bring it all together. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1:the Maybe, maybe it is that, maybe the title is all. It could be the blindfold as well or you have the conversations blindfolded.
Speaker 1:No that's good. I like that I'm. The only problem with it is most the conversation is gonna be via zoom. If they were in person, I think that that would be a cooler. They would have a cooler effect. It would be kind of weird if we're like on the zoom call. Yeah, it's like we could just not. We could just do this on the phone. But Okay, this is an excellent creative session. Can Morgan, would you mind just writing down for me the blindfold, blindfolded and between Chad and love. Those are all. Those. All have Something. I'll send the invoice later. Something to me. Yes, Josh.
Speaker 1:Josh, josh, you are 50% equity in the all revenue between now and February 14th.
Speaker 4:Um, cool, okay, I owe you guys both a name.
Speaker 1:Do you?
Speaker 4:Want to do what? A tick-tock movie is really quick. Yeah, I do, Okay.
Speaker 1:I Forgot if I stole this take from someone else. But who did I hear this? No, I heard some version of this, but I'm about to use Josh's terminology, I'm about to remix it Saltburn we already talked about saltburn. It's a movie that has a setup that I like, which is Middle-lowered, middle-class dude around rich people wanting to be in the end, want to be on the inside of that culture.
Speaker 1:It is beautiful. Like in terms of the spectacle of this movie is beautiful. I like the lighting, I like the color, I like the. You know, the settings are gorgeous. This the landscapes, the all of it. I like the music.
Speaker 1:It's evocative of, I think, early 2000s or mid 2000s in a way that I like. I even like the actors in the movie. Really, I really like some of the actors, like I think the performances are as good as they could do with the script, which is where I think the problems, where I think that the story itself doesn't pull off what it's trying to pull off, because it it's. I think it's skews too far in the absurd, in a way that Doesn't feel honest to the character I'm. That's all without spoiling what happens in the movie, but what this movie does do well, and I think you will see more movies. I'm gonna be real. I think now, when we come into this studio Morgan and I have already done a lot of the work into this studio what do we want to be? The real coming out of this, coming out of this episode like, which is to say, the last two days we've come in here, I have sent Morgan an image that I want to be cut into the real. That's going to be cut from this conversation. Before we've even cut the real, I think we're gonna see more and more movies that have decided and movies have always done this which is like what's on the poster, like that's always been a part of like what movies get green. That is, how are we going to market this thing? But now the marketing of the movie so much of it takes place in short form video, tiktok reels, youtube shorts, that Movies, some movies and, I believe honestly, movies that are made by my generation and Gen Z and whatever comes after them.
Speaker 1:I think a lot more movies are going to feel like mashups of tiktok clips, mashups of moments that are in, that are within themselves I catching, provocative, maybe earwormy, and that's what saltburn felt like to me. It just felt instead of being a Coherent story with a beginning, middle and in that tells you what's going on. It's like all these moments like Jacob Elody was talking about the scene he said it was fun to shoot this movie because it got so weird, and I and my snarky response to Morgan was like oh, how great for those ten actors that it was fun to do the movie. That wasn't awesome for the audience, but like that's hey, that's what you get when you get a, you know, when you get a budget and I know this director to be the child of wealthy people so when you are some kind of Lena Dunham as character, you get to focus on what do you like and what is your, what are your actors like, and not have to give a fuck about us. But what the movie became then was like God, this is probably gonna be a good real too, but I don't know if we have time. What the movie became was a mashup of moments, and that's what Movies are going to look like more and more and more going forward. What are the pieces of this thing, especially coming off of Barbie and how crazy viral Barbie was, as like social media content. So many more movies are that get greenlit, like so many movies that people are willing to put budgets behind, it's gonna be because the director has sold them on. This is these are all the pieces of this movie that we can distribute as trailers for the movie.
Speaker 1:Said differently, here's all these little taste test samples we can give out for the movie to get people to watch the movie. That could go two directions, because we give taste test samples for this show. Right, we give, we give reels and tiktoks and you know YouTube clips and all these things. We give out free samples so people will come back and watch the show, which we can then monetize. However, at this point in time, the number of people who watch our reels is, you know, a hundred, x the number of people that listen to the podcast. Once people, people watch NBA games by watching Twitter clips of NBA games. So you got to give somebody something really compelling in the taste test to get them to go take on the whole thing. Like I said, the other day I got a DM from somebody who was, who wasn't even referenced on the show, but something a project that that person is a big part of was referenced in one of the clips of the show online and and that person was reaching out and the reference point was I've been watching your podcast clips. So like the podcast clips are a show in and of themselves, just like this tiktok movie had all these little pieces of it that were tiktok movies in and of themselves. All right enough, that's it, we're done.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is nothing but anarchy. It's been, it's been fun. Go listen to that cat at Williams interview or go watch it. It's really funny. It's really funny. He's not the word, it's like, just like whoa, yeah, that's it. Like. Subscribe, share. If you want to DM me, dm Morgan. She is Moby Williams. Moby Williams on Instagram. Okay, goodbye, oh, oh.
