Nothing But Anarchy
"Nothing But Anarchy" hosted by Chad Sanders explores and subverts sports, media, Hollywood, and culture. Chad's vulnerable and raw commentary creates a fresh podcast experience you don't want to miss. Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET on Youtube Live.
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Executive Producer: Chad Sanders
Producer: Morgan Williams
Music: Marcus Williams
Nothing But Anarchy
Eps. #86 Live Show Recap, Valentine's Day Reflections, Cetaphil's Superbowl Commercial & Mixed Race Representation, Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift and Being the Third Wheel to an IT Couple
On this episode, Chad recaps the DC live show, reviews Usher's Superbowl performance, questions the data that may support the representation of mixed race people in advertisements, and reflects on being the third wheel to an IT couple like Jason Kelce is to Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift.
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
I Work it. We started. Are you starting the show he just brought us in? Oh my god, what were you gonna say? Go ahead and say it out, hold on. All right, it's nothing with anarchy, we're just having a conversation. Here's, this is the. This is all I want to say about that, but I do want it to be set on record because I want I want it to be. I Want to be able to look back on this moment.
Speaker 1:I I believe that 10 years from now, or even seven or five, morgan will still be an extremely kind person and a fun hang, and I think Morgan is going to be the boss of everybody. I think she's gonna be extremely sharkish. I think she's gonna be really rich. I think she's going to, I think she's going to bully some of the people in this industry and play and play hungry, hungry hippos and bumper cars, because Because I just think that's part of who she is, that is, that is.
Speaker 1:I started to set it briefly at the live show, but I think that underlies, like a person who has a really big smile and it's so nice to everybody and it's so fun and all these other things. Like you're also competitive and you're not gonna like You're not gonna be cool watching people dumber than you bully other people and take all the money in this game. You're gonna be like, oh, I'm smarter than them, I'm more talented them, I have more energy than them, I'm more magnetic than them. Give me all of this and I, and I'm just I. I feel lucky that I'm gonna be able to watch it happen over these next 10 years like cuz I, I, you know, anyway, I. Do you want to say anything to that Morgan?
Speaker 2:No sharkish though sharkish. That's such a negative connotation.
Speaker 1:I know, but you just said, you just called me a villain.
Speaker 2:Origin story. That doesn't always necessarily mean villain. And you agreed. You said I do?
Speaker 1:I know what you mean. Yes, that my villain origin story is clear. It is, I think, like you, I am a naturally I Like, want to give people what they asked for. Like I want to give people, I want to help people, I want to mentor people, I want to Get people unblocked by whatever is blocking them. And I feel like I didn't realize seven or eight years ago that People will not give you reciprocity for that. People will. They'll just be like, oh great, free shit. And they'll just like it's like the free stuff out of an event. Like people just like, oh, free shit. And they take extra. They take 10 more than they need. They eat 15 pigs in a blanket when they can only really eat five and they're gonna vomit later because it's free.
Speaker 1:So, and I can name names, but I won't because I'm not Monique or Kat Williams yet, but I Just, I don't know every moment of this. So we're in some of the live show. Let's have a live show real quick, because it this is this dovetails with the fun of all of this. Like I Know some people really love money. I know some people really love or Are obsessed with the internet. I know some people really love the sound of their own voice. I have I have tastes for all of those things, but the fun of this really is the human being part of it for me. I Felt I Was really now. I was nervous for like the first six minutes of my spilling on that day, but I never for a moment felt nervous about the execution and I meant to say this in the room. But I feel like, even if I had, you would have just been like moving along Chad. But like that's because of you, because I, because I knew that you had it, I knew you had my back, I knew you had everything, anything that, any balls that were dropped I didn't even get to know about them because you picked them up and fixed it. I still don't know about them if any happened, if any occurred. Like you, I just knew, I knew I would be Safe to do my part and I, and then I knew I could do my part because I had that safety, the people part.
Speaker 1:I felt so happy that Tia, our DJ from our live show, was with us because she brings a different element. She made, I think she makes it feel. In a way she makes it feel like New York, like I think she's like. I mean she first of all like I'm. This is not a show. Tia is, is noticeable, okay, she's like six feet tall, she's a model, she has big afro and Like she's a DJ. So so there's a, there's a level of Noticeability and power she has over a room that I think also adds to the element. The room itself we're talking about the DC live show which was at Shanklin Hall. The room itself and and this is so cool because I haven't gotten to experience this the launch party was a different thing. It was a party.
Speaker 1:I Now understand something that I haven't really felt, probably since college, maybe when we probated or like basketball in high school, but I I don't think I forgot just as much as I got out of touch with how much the audience in a live venue is a part of the show. Yeah, which included people, you know, kind of humming in agreement to things that they. That really meant something to them, people Laughing at certain moments, people not laughing at certain moments. One of my friends was in there kind of heckling me, like basically heckling, and he himself is a stand-up comic and that added an element because it almost I didn't notice him so much as my boys told me about it later, but like that is probably good practice. One day there will be a real heckler somewhere that I'm doing this show, someone who really doesn't feel what we talk about in this show. And I found it so Energizing for me up I was standing on a couch for most of the night. I found it so energizing for me as the, as the storyteller, as the conductor of the room, that I Probably went about 25% Spicier than usual and more revealing than usual. Yeah, and that's because of the intimacy of the setting and also I was looking out to a crowd of Including staff, probably 60-ish people in a relatively small venue who Listen with every single one of my people at some point or another.
Speaker 1:This is just the kind of person that I am. Maybe this is normal. At one point or another, me and another person, me and almost everybody else in that room have yelled in each other's faces Okay, not you, when that will probably. Maybe that will happen one day. I think it will happen as you take your more sharkish arc and you're just like you and you're. I think your point of view is very, very, very strong. But I think, as you like, just become more monstrously. Morgan, like the Morgan monster. I think you're gonna just start being like no, like that, it's gonna be like that, and then maybe we'll do this or maybe I'll just be like damn, morgan said, do it like that. But these are the people who I have.
Speaker 1:There were so many people in that room. There were obviously strangers in the room. There were fans of the show in the room. There were Morgan fans in the room. There were people that I don't know, but there were a lot of people in that room who I've known since six, seven, eight, 1516, 21, 22. These are the people who's who I have formed myself around. We have found a shorthand and we have different points of view and different perspectives, but we share some values. We share Something that matters. Oh, I sold the audience to shut up so many times in the room. That was really fun. I really enjoyed that part. Um, I think we're gonna keep that in the show. What am I trying to say? Here's what I'm trying to say, and then I'm gonna move on, because this is not the opening segment, so bear with me.
Speaker 1:It felt so different than being in a room full of people in this industry. To me it felt like a room full of people that have real lives, real values, real Families, real Relationships, real problems, who don't live their lives in the ego sphere Entirely, who don't live their lives entirely checking who's googled them in the last 20 minutes, or how much company, how much money their company made in the last 20 minutes, or how many clicks they got on their last post. It was like I See why people tore, because you get away from like, what do, what do people think about me on the internet? And you see and feel, what do they actually? What are they getting out of what you're giving them in real life? And Every face that I saw, including my parents, which was a big thing for me, it was a big hurdle to clear here. They were nodding along, they were mm-hmming Okay, they were laughing About how embarrassingly Gross this industry is, and that's a far departure from what I get from people in my industry for the most part around how I use my voice, which is a whole lot of be careful.
Speaker 1:A whole lot of ooh like, are you sure you want to say that? Like that, a whole lot of fear. Like that's what. That is what entertainment, hollywood, the internet. Like fear is the. That's the trading language. Like, fear is the fear is the commodity, and that's how things move around. People use fear to make you stay in line, do your job as it serves them, pay your commission. They make you afraid of the boogeyman. They make you afraid that there's somebody out there that's going to crush your thing If you don't do it exactly how they want it. And it was so good for me to get to go see real people that I actually care about, who are not scared for me, they're excited for me. They're like go do it, say it.
Speaker 1:I asked some people after the show. I was like, hey, at some point, me and Morgan are going to have to have conversation about what should I cut out of this thing before we put it on Patreon or wherever it's going? And they were like I don't think you need to cut anything. These are my real people, like this is my mom, this is my sister, these are my, these are my, these are my friends. That if I've run into one of these people in real life and God forbid, but I just I know these niggas, it's never going to happen. But, like God forbid, I went into, ran into one of these people with the chicklet teeth and they actually wanted some kind of action. These are the people that would take a flight and they're the ones saying I think you're good, say it, do it.
Speaker 1:So, unfortunately for Morgan, I now feel emboldened to be more specific, more literal, more honest, more forthcoming, because I got to see the people, the real people, like we're doing something. You know there's an adage about like creating the world that you want to live in and I think, sphere by sphere by sphere, we are. That's happening. Tj told me. He called me after we talked for an hour about the show, about the live show, and he tells me, like TJ sees, he sees people and environments in colors, and he said he said that that you know we talked about the color of the room being very golden, everybody in that room feeling I mean for one, the lights were gold, but like also, people in the room felt full, like they felt safe, they were able to be seen. We saw Louise came out from college. She looked amazing, she was, she was in an amazing form of herself, she was, her energy was fantastic. Dorian Hassan, theo Ashile, brandon, david Atkinson, like there were people in the room who felt full. Leon came from Los Angeles.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, I just want more of this. I want to make more of this. I'm out now. I mean the cat's out of the bag. I'm talking about it in public, I'm talking about it on phone calls. I'm looking for somebody to come in as a backer with money to partner here, to help pay for all this, so that we can like, so that we can grow it, so that we can pay it, so we can actually pay a team, so that the marketing budget doesn't come out of my piggy bank. We're doing something here, so we're going to keep doing it. All right, who cares? I am dressed in this color because the only other shirt that I have with this color scheme it has a bunch of broken hearts on it and this is like a Valentine's Day episode and I didn't want to have that kind of vibe for Valentine's Day. It just didn't feel right.
Speaker 1:Also, now's probably a good time to mention I am starting a sub-stack. It is called Bonfire. The first project on that sub-stack will be my exploration of All Things Love. I'll be quick about this because I'm going to dovetail this right into you guessed it? Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. And then we're going to talk about the Super Bowl, but this is a project that is an exploration of All Things Love. It is going to be a very community-based and led project, which means, as people migrate into this sub-stack, into this short form or short, what am I trying to say? Short hand dialogue with me around love. I'm going to be doing explorations in my own life, in Q&As, in interviews, in pop culture, in stories that come up around love, and I'm going to be using this sub-stack as a place to have a circle of people who are talking about having this conversation together with me, as sort of the conduit, and you can go to the link in my bio right now if you want to sign up for the email list for it, but it will literally be live tonight. It technically launches tomorrow, but you'll be able to go subscribe to it tonight if you want to do that. I put up a question yesterday that said something like ask me a question about love, and I have like 30 questions in that question box right now the most that I have probably gotten for anything that I've put on Instagram to say ask me questions.
Speaker 1:Valentine's Day I want to speak to. I think this is a large group of people. Valentine's Day can be pretty rough, even if you are in a relationship. Holidays are rough, often for people. I think it's because they mark these moments in time throughout a year where you are almost being led or forced to take stock of yourself. I think comparison is the thief. Of joy is the thing I think on these holidays. They encourage us to weigh ourselves against.
Speaker 1:Whatever it is that we're supposed to be, wherever we're supposed to be, on Valentine's Day, you're supposed to be in love, which is not the case for almost everybody who is in or out of a relationship. On Valentine's Day, you're supposed to want to be around the person you're in love with, which is unusual. On Valentine's Day, you are supposed to spend money, which a lot of people don't have. That's what the marketing tells you, that's what the stories tell you, that's what the movies have told us, that's what we tell each other, that's what your fucking annoying ass Instagram photos tell us. My least favorite kind is the kind from the person not in a relationship who feels a need to Instagram a rose or a box of chocolates or something else nice that someone sent them who they don't feel comfortable having on a photo on their grid with them or in their social avatar sphere, because that is completely and entirely just about saying I'm good enough that someone wanted to send me this.
Speaker 1:I wish you would say the thing that it actually says, which is that I feel bad today. Sorry, it's a rough holiday. It can be. It can be If the pressure of the moment is so stacked up, sorry. There's some of y'all out there who are going to have a very lovely Valentine's Day and I just want to hold space for you guys. You guys, you're the bomb. You did it For almost everybody else, and I'm including people in relationships.
Speaker 1:Man, have I been in a relationship on so many Valentine's Days? And it is like one of the least 50 enjoyable days of that year in that relationship, because it's just like what are we supposed to be doing today? Are we supposed to have sex today, I guess? So it's almost like sex as a homework assignment is not awesome. Are we supposed to go to dinner today? Are we supposed to go to the movies today? Are we supposed to hold hands doing the thing? Are we supposed to? It's like it's all of that. It's all of that. What doesn't help is Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. The Super Bowl happened a couple of days ago. We'll get to that, but Travis Kelsey won. Travis Kelsey won. Oh my God, look at me. The cheats won. Travis Kelsey played. Okay, pat Mahomes played B minus for Pat Mahomes, but he was the Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 1:Pat Mahomes, I don't know what else does I mean. Like Pat Mahomes is he's it, he's the guy. Like he's, that's that. Come on y'all. We've talked about this. Okay, that's what.
Speaker 1:Looking like the goat looks like. You cannot compare that to the Braun James experience. Victor Wimbin Yama looks well positioned to be on his way to some go-dishness. Like. There's so many things that have to fall into place for him. He has to have the right team, he has to have the right coach, he has to have the, he has to win a certain amount, he has to stay healthy, et cetera, et cetera. But like man, does he feel primed for go-dishness? Honestly, in the same way that LeBron at the beginning felt primed for go-dishness. But Pat Mahomes is doing it? He is. That person is exceptional. That person is it's it's it looks like the conditions don't matter. It looks like his teammates don't matter. It looks like who's on the other side of the field doesn't matter, like he's Houdini. He is, he is MacGyver One way or another, like he's gonna, he's going to pull that trophy out from where? From the, from the, from the grips of defeat.
Speaker 1:After the game and since the game, there has been a stream, a constant stream, of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey content. One of the videos, one of the reels, or I don't know what it is anymore that has gone viral is Travis and Taylor in a section at a Vegas nightclub. Y'all Vegas looks so not fun to me, like I can't, like I really like a great party and I've never seen a Vegas party that looks like the kind of party that I like to be at. That party that they are at looks so terrible. It is such a reminder that they are at their core, not as if we need any reminder, not as if it's not present and evident, but like they are extremely milk, toast, white, middle Americans, like that is who they are. I guess Taylor's from the south technically, but like Tennessee, like it has, you know, it kind of has middle American influences and they are doing the thing, kind of doing a two step, knowing that people are looking at them, knowing that people are taking videos of them. And it's always much more apparent for Taylor. If I'm being honest, it is much more apparent that Taylor knows she is being watched at all times than it is for Travis.
Speaker 1:And you know it's the football player and the cheerleader, like that's kind of the image that you see there. It's the skinny blonde white girl, it's the big bearded white boy and you know they're kind of like two stepping. He might as well have a Bud Light in his hand I don't know what he's drinking and two stepping I'm using so loosely but like they're doing you know they're moving their bodies in some, in some order. He pulls her in for a big kiss and the people around them. Oh my God, it's such a scene of grotesque Hollywood Like there's like this like 50 year old looking dude who's like kind of looks overly tan, like he's been on too many golf courses, who's like balding and like kind of standing off over the over the shoulder of Taylor and he's like he just looks so much like an agent or a handler in some way. It's really guys, it's really gross.
Speaker 1:Okay, and it is to me a reminder of the thing which is like this is what you all are supposed to be doing, this is what you, this is what love looks like this is what romance looks like. It looks like two drunken white people on a dance floor pretending like they don't know everybody else is looking at them and I think that's like kind of those sorts of images are where it starts. And imagine if you're like 13 looking at that and you're like, oh, that's the ideal, like that's what I'm out here looking for, that's what I want, that's what I want my relationship to feel like. How in the world, without such great time, energy and intention spent on figuring it out, are you supposed to actually know what you're looking to feel when you love somebody? That's what my projects about. That's a plug, but that's not even what's interesting to me about this whole thing, because that's not interesting. They're not interesting. That's the problem. They're not interesting, they're so basic. It's like this is the whole. Like I saw that in high school Okay, I saw skinny milk toes, white girl, big, annoying white boy. Like I saw that that's so boring, that's so stale. We did that already. How like with all these shows trying to force the idea that there's such diversity in our country and everyone is different, with all these shows doing it so heavy handed and like haphazard and okay, now we need to show about prom on a reservation, like how do we still end up with the pinnacle like the peak, most trending image of love and of connection is still a Viking and a cheerleader Like how Okay, what cares about that? Here's what actually matters. Here's who I see and actually feel a little bit sad for.
Speaker 1:I wonder if you all will be surprised by this. If you watch that video long enough, it pans over to Jason Kelsey, which is Travis's older fat brother. He has on a superhero costume and he is dancing. I got to keep putting these in quotes. He's in the DJ booth. He's standing there amongst all the Vegas bros. Vegas looks so not funny All and he is like kind of like drunkenly just like bopping around.
Speaker 1:There's another video where you see Taylor and Travis and there's all these click, click, click, click, click, click, click and you know Travis. I will give to him that he is. I think he's a fairly good looking dude, like he's. He's like kind of like big and broad shouldered and he's nimble and like. I think I think he has like nice looking eyes and whatever. Whatever Taylor is Taylor like. I don't need to even weigh in because you all have decided she is like peak, white girl, attractive or something like that you all, not nobody in this room and probably not anybody out there.
Speaker 1:But they walk in, surrounded by handlers and cameras, and behind them again comes drunken, sloppy, jason Kelsey, who has made so many headlines and so, and so many clicks and so many views of him just being drunken, crazy over the top, outrageous, brother to Travis during Travis's really truly during Travis's ascension from like Travis now transcends football. It's not, it's never going to be about football again. For Travis Kelsey, football is now the second thing that will be on Travis Kelsey's Wikipedia page. It doesn't, it just doesn't matter. And good for him I mean truly, like literally. This is good for him because football is almost over for him. He's going to be out of the league soon.
Speaker 1:What I see and this is a particularly shitty place to be and I have been in this place and it's so ass Jason Kelsey is now third wheel to a glamour couple. Have you guys ever been in that position before? Have you guys ever been the third wheel, like sort of like the bestie to a couple that you see is starting to like go off into the sunset and you're trying to hold on to your connection to one of the people in that couple because they matter to you. Have you ever been in that position?
Speaker 2:Obviously not to this degree. I'm trying, I feel like, yes, but I'm trying to like think of couples, friends that I've had that have been like the it.
Speaker 1:It's very difficult position to be in and I and I will explain why especially if you are also someone who wants to be, who wants love and like, who wants your own sort of measure of notoriety or like who wants to be known for something yourself, who believes yourself to be someone interesting. I see in Jason Kelsey and I don't think I'm projecting, I think it's really there. I see him, he's chasing it. He's like my brother who was always better looking, who was always cooler, who a couple of those black kids are high school let's say the n-word a few times, I'm speculating who can do the dance moves, who always had the pretty girls. Now he's fucking dating Taylor Swift, who I imagine is probably his princess queen, the most unattainable to him, to him, and he and his brother have a podcast. He and his brother were starting to do this ascension together and Taylor came in and picked Travis. And now I mean, if most of you all who are here now for the Taylor Swift experience with Travis Kelsey, you weren't there when this was part of it if you are a football fan, you were here for this part. Travis Kelsey was like the unrequited want her of Taylor Swift at one point in time. Did you know that? He was like going on microphones and saying I love Taylor Swift, I want Taylor Swift to date me. He, he did it the way people dream you could do it in media, which is like you just say I want so and so to date me, and then she appears and all of a sudden you guys are together. He did it like that his brother's turning into the rock and he's turning into the rock. If the rock was dating like I don't know if the rock had been dating Madonna on the way up or something like that and Jason Kelsey, I have to imagine it is bringing up all the stuff Jason Kelsey has probably been feeling for most of his life, which is man, I'm really good too. I'm look how good I am at football. But I'm the center, I'm the offensive lineman. I never get to score touchdown. I never get to run the ball in. I never get to catch a pass. I never get to do the coolest touchdown celebration. My little brother gets to do all that cool shit. I like as much as yes, I'm a millionaire and I'm, I have a voice and Philadelphia fans love me. But like and I'm telling y'all because you know, I know famous people. They be acting the same as they were acting when they were kids. The same stuff makes them mad, the same stuff makes them hurt. The same, the same stuff comes up in them. That's why they, that's why they chase it so hard.
Speaker 1:I think this dude is like fuck, my brother is riding off into the sunset. How do I get to stay relevant? How do I get to stay here on his like, how do I get to hang on to his coattails? And I think he's reaching back into a bag that is very uncomfortable and very dehumanizing to yourself, which is I'm just gonna make a fool of myself so people can see me, so people don't forget that I'm here. If I just go throw on a suit or a tux like Travis, or a black outfit or whatever, and I just walk behind them and I'm and I'm. You know, I've and I've had four beers instead of 27 like who's gonna even notice me? Who's gonna even pay attention to me? So I'm gonna put on this dumbass outfit and I'm gonna be an. I'm gonna be an idiot, you, and that's what's gonna keep me relevant, that's what's gonna make me. Ah, my brother just won the Super Bowl. Let me imagine that, guys. My brother just won the Super Bowl. Let me go put on a superhero costume and dance with the DJ with like as a as a drunken idiot.
Speaker 1:Those to me, are the tells of somebody who is like he's got everything that I wanted. What can I like? What can I have? And I will say again to ground this I have felt that. I have felt the feeling of damn. I Think I'm pretty good.
Speaker 1:How do I get people to notice me? Like, how do I get people to pay attention to what I can do? And I have even done that dumbass thing which is like I'll take the attention. However I can get it like, I will make a fool of myself. I will. I Will act out of character. I will be undignified. I will do whatever song and dance I have to do for people to notice me too, because, like man, I wish I had that other thing. All right, whatever, jason and Travis, I'm available to be a guest on your, on your podcast. Okay, super Bowl stuff. All right, morgan was so gleeful about putting this on the docket that she put it at the top, and I know a lot of you are here for this. So let's, let's just get right to it. You're not gonna like it, though You're not gonna like it, you're gonna double down.
Speaker 1:It's not a double down. I said weeks ago, months ago, probably.
Speaker 1:It was when it was announced, so yeah, I said when it was announced that I did not think usher was a great choice for the Super Bowl, and the reason was because I did not think usher's catalog was like Super Bowl Potent, I didn't think. I mean, there's a recording of this somewhere. So I'm not even trying to paraphrase what I said because I don't want y'all to be like. You actually said this and now you're saying this. Let's just, let's just make it blunt. I just didn't think he was the right choice. I didn't think he was a great choice for the Super Bowl. Now, I Thought the Super Bowl show was and I'm being precise and I'm being real I thought it was Pretty good, that was fun. You know what I mean. Like I sang along. I'm not gonna not sing along to usher, if it's on.
Speaker 1:I Was in a room, I Was in a house with 13 people in it. All 13 came down to the basement for the usher part. I was at Tim and D'alisa's and when You're in a room full of people who are having a good time and wanting to enjoy what's on the screen, you do that like I'm not a I'm not a robot, guys, like I'm not. I'm not an actual villain, even though Morgan called me one, if we're. If it's an usher party, I'm gonna party. Like I guys, I'm past the age where you Planch your foot in the ground and have a bad time. To try to make someone else have a bad time Like that doesn't work.
Speaker 1:You just like, if we're having a good time, fuck it, like let's have a good time. You know what I mean. So, but here's what I know. I Got some I got. Let me just make it. I'll say it plain and then I'll walk back toward it. Okay, you guys think consensus equals truth. You guys think that if the rest of the people you watch on the internet and if the rest of the people in a room with you Say something is so, that that means it's so. That Super Bowl show was pretty good. Okay, it wasn't Prince at the Super Bowl, it wasn't Michael Jackson at the Super Bowl. It was pretty good. I like I didn't say it was gonna be ass.
Speaker 1:You, I, I will find, I'll find, please, please, morgan and if and if I did, then you need to cut me same. But I just said and then you need to reverse the play, the reverse tape and put it right next to it for real. Okay, but this is all I'm saying to y'all is like this is this is what I want for all of us collectively, because this is very related to the LeBron James experience and this is also why I so many of my friends not as much as before, but I Would say for much of my 20s, my friends Some of them would call me a hater because, like I Want an A plus experience, I want to watch an A plus movie. I don't want to watch Black Panther is not an A plus movie. I'm sorry, guys, it's not that that was not an A plus usher performance, it was about a solid B, that was fun. You know, I'm saying like a B is fun, like that's chill. I Hate to keep doing this, but I gotta do it because it's the only thing that captures the phenomenon.
Speaker 1:We all want to feel like we're watching the goat. We all want that. We all want to feel like, oh man, the ush. We are all looking for a good time. We're all looking for to be able to say I saw something spectacular and something that was one of one. So we watch usher, we have a good time and we're so ready, at Immediately, as soon as it's over, to go to the internet and say that was amazing, because saying it was pretty good doesn't get you any. It doesn't get you any retweets. Saying it was pretty good it's not enough, because you guys got to out do your other friend who you know is gonna say that shit was fire. You got to show that it was even more fire. It represents me more than it represents you. It was so fire. It was pretty good.
Speaker 1:The LeBron James experience I've been here for it. How does it come back to LeBron? I've been here for it. It's been really good, but it's not the best. Why can't like? Why can't we do nuance? Why can't we do gray area? Why can't we do? Why can't we do precision, like the usher thing? If I said I didn't think it was a good choice and you said you thought it was a great choice, that's a draw to me, because it was pretty good.
Speaker 2:So let me just understand you correctly. Right, please? You are trying. You're saying that usher's performance Is on par with LeBron James performance.
Speaker 1:No, lebron James performance is above usher's performance. Okay, I just because I was like that's a little why? No, what I'm trying to say is like, thank you for asking, because now I can clarify. I think we all we're in a rush for these moments. We are in such a rush to feel a moment Valentine's Day, a moment. We want to feel like the thing that I thought was gonna be dope. We also all want to be validated on the thing we thought was gonna be dope. I was down for LeBron from the beginning. No, he's the goal like no, he's. It's cool to be like I thought he was gonna be the best. He's the second best. That's a win. That's awesome. Um, when this usher thing, it's like I thought the usher, I was so excited because I love usher. It's different than I watched the usher show and it was an all-timer. It wasn't like it wasn't. It was. But I'm not.
Speaker 1:You guys think everything is hate. You guys think precision is hate. That's why I'm quite. Honesty is always so flooring to people, because what you're used to getting is hyperbole. What you're used to getting is is Is like People saying what they think they're supposed to say. Who among us is now ready to go and say that that performance was not great. And I don't mean myself, I just mean someone else who can say exactly what it was. Because all like, because everybody is in such a rush to say that's the dope it should ever. That's the dope. No, pat my homes, that's the dope it should ever. That's the dope it should ever. I Was pretty good. Good job, usher shit.
Speaker 2:Was a Brock Purdy performance.
Speaker 1:Brock was. Whatever he was, I mean he was, he was pretty good. That's what I'm saying. I don't want to compare usher, right. I'll say, like usher was like okay, you know the dude on the Niners, I think it was Joann Jennings who threw a touchdown caught a touchdown.
Speaker 1:It was like that was a good good showing. Joann, I didn't know you can do that. That's usher. Okay, that was usher. Okay, that's pretty good. God damn, y'all are so. Y'all are just so rabid. You're just so thirsty. Okay, all right. Also needs to be note. This was just a hilarious tweet that I just like. I don't even know how anything to say about it. It was a tweet. It says you think God ever gone, give Alicia keys her voice back. I know he took it because she stole that lady husband, but damn, that was like 50 years ago. That was someone who tweeted that a year ago, who retweeted herself to just bring it back up to the top. Um, I Think voices can just go shot. I mean, like it's a. I think you can strain your vocal cords and that's actually your reminder that, like Straining, it's not good. It's just not good. Like White people will make you strain, man, that's all I want to say.
Speaker 1:That's all I want to say. Um, okay, after this we're gonna me and Morgan are doing to do oh shit, I can't forget what I had to say here it is. I think this is the real. Okay, all right, whites, good start. This is an honest question. I just, I want, I want who knows, I want why I'm addressing to know I'm addressing them. Um, white folks, real, real question. Man, I, I am not. I Think I.
Speaker 1:I think I am learning how to tread a fine line here, which is To delve into topics that are Worth while where there's actual substantive substance and meaning. I'm gonna get all this out clear because it needs to be a real um, without pandering for dirt. That's not what I'm looking for here. I Keep having that lady who comment I can't. I wish I didn't read her comment. I keep having this lady who was like I followed this guy because he was one of my favorite creators. Now he's just looking for mess and I'm not. I'm not looking for mess, I'm looking for precision. I'm looking for precision because I really want an answer to this more. You know where I'm going with this. No, okay, this is a real question. Whites, this is a real question. Whites, do you prefer mixed race people, specifically biracial black people, over non-biracial black people? I think it's probably the best way to put that. Do you? And I ask because, well, here's where the question came from.
Speaker 1:I go on Twitter from time to time to check what's trending so we can know what's being talked about in the public sphere. Setafil is trending and I'm like setafil. Why is there a lotion brand trending right now? It's because there was a Super Bowl commercial for setafil where a white dad football fan wearing a jersey is bopping around the house watching football, doing football stuff, while his daughter, who is a biracial black girl, is living in her own world with her headphones, their phone, just like as parents and children are right now.
Speaker 1:They're separated because he lives in his world, where his stuff is that he likes, and she lives in her world, where her stuff is that she likes. And what brings them together and I'm moving quickly through the commercial, because it's really not the point what brings them together even though they don't say her name, because they probably didn't want to, they couldn't probably afford her for the commercial is that Taylor Swift is now in the football sphere, so she's brought these two worlds together, so now these two can lay on the couch together. She puts her phone down and they watch football together. I think there's something else to be dissected in that commercial which is like why does that little girl have to come into his world for them to bond? Like why, if Taylor Swift has to bring your daughter into your world, how much do you actually even want your daughter there? That's like something for the father to talk to his therapist about.
Speaker 2:It's also a super bull commercial.
Speaker 1:Super what.
Speaker 2:It's also a super bull commercial.
Speaker 1:I know, I mean understood, but it was trending for a reason which is because I think it resonated with people and I want to understand. There's something that I want to understand. It is commonly accepted right now for guys to make it a big thing that they connect with their daughters, and I just want to know, like, why is it so hard for y'all to connect with your daughters? And I don't have a daughter, so I got no, I got no, I got no suggestions for you, but I'm just saying why? Why do you have to have your daughter watch football to connect with her? But that's not the point. Here's the point. Not the first to make this point, but let me say it out loud.
Speaker 1:In the advertising space, it feels like we are giving a lot of play to the mixed race family, the biracial children of a black parent and a white parent, specifically, specifically that sort of biracial family, mixed race family, cause I don't want to act like that's the only way that a family can be mixed racially. This is not new. This is commonly discussed mostly in, like our more in easier and safer rooms among black folks. Not to say that the conversation has always had safely, but it's in safe rooms that it happens, where we talk about, like specifically white folks. Do y'all just like mixed people better, like Barack Obama, like Pat Mahomes?
Speaker 2:Drake.
Speaker 1:Drake, mariah Carey please throw out some other, some other highly favored mixed folks. Now, why I'm asking is specifically because this is taken to advertising and my head is in advertising. I'm watching and paying attention to just what a methodology and a science there is that goes into advertising. These decisions are not made haphazardly. They're not made even necessarily artistically. These decisions about casting for commercials, specifically for spots that are going to be as expensive as Super Bowl spots, these decisions are made scientifically, researched, empirically. These people don't want to get this wrong. And this was the most watched Super Bowl. This was the most watched telecast. This is the most watched telecast of all time 123.4 million people watched the Super Bowl. I looked it up. There's only 12 countries in the world that have that many people in them, 12 out of 195 countries. So when someone decides we're going to give this white guy in this commercial, this actor, a daughter who is a biracial black girl, that is a decision made on purpose and I want to understand what is it trying to say or what is it trying to appeal to in this giant, this, this, this is the size of Japan 120 million people. That's how big Japan is. What is it trying to say to this many people at once about what the American family is, the ideal of the American family, the American family that we think we are reflecting, who we think you all will empathize with, who we think you all will like, who we think you all will share photos I mean share this video of like. These are the decisions that are made going into marketing going that are made going into advertising. It costs like $7 million to have a Super Bowl spot of that length, so we got to get the casting right. So we're going to choose a mixed race family. You have not heard me yet once say anything disparaging of the mixed race family. One day maybe I'll have a mixed race family, I have no idea.
Speaker 1:But I'm asking because so much advertising appeals to a white sensibility, because that's what most of our country is. Do you all like mixed people better? And if you do, why? Because it's like to me, they're still black folks and doesn't feel like you guys are that into. Like to that that much. I look like Jay-Z right now, so like what's really good. Do you guys like Pat Mahomes better than Lamar Jackson? Why you guys like Mariah Carey better than I don't know Nicki Minaj? Why you guys like Drake better than Kendrick. So do I.
Speaker 1:But why? What is it? And can I posit some theories? Is it that you feel that someone who has a white parent but is black is closer culturally to you, or that they are more human, that they are smarter, that they are more responsible, that they are more, that you can empathize with them better? If it is the case and I'm do you guys believe me that I'm dead ass? I actually really want to understand, because if it's so, can you help me understand it? Because from where I stand, I don't. It makes me feel like you don't necessarily. It's like you see them as black, but not totally, or something, and I just don't get it. It's a person. It's not like. It's not like one of those like cookies that's like, you know, half brownie, half chocolate chip cookie, like it's a person. So it's all the way black in there. All right, the real is in there somewhere, but now, like, let's talk about it. Morgan, you have a point of view on that? I asked you before the show do you want to talk?
Speaker 2:about it. So what's your point of view on this? I didn't know that this is where you were going with it.
Speaker 2:But my point of view for somewhat is that I feel like it's one of those. It's a representation issue. Like I feel like there are a lot of mixed race families. Therefore they would have commercials with mixed race families, but I feel like the issue is that there aren't enough like fully black family. So, like you know, like it's a representation thing, so I feel like that's why it could like bump people sometimes and but I think that the whole point of doing it is that like that's just how our world looks now, like I personally would prefer it. I don't know, actually, I don't know. Let's see that. The further wait for the record, I wasn't saying I would prefer it to be mixed race couples. I was going to say something else, but I decided against it.
Speaker 1:Okay, Morgan is scared like Jay-Z. Those commercials would have you believe that that's what our country looks like now. I'll have to look, but I don't think data would support that. I don't think there are more mixed race families now than there are black families, for example.
Speaker 2:I don't. I don't think so either, but I do feel like there are a lot of mixed race families, so, but the problem that I'm saying is that there aren't enough commercials also representing the full like-.
Speaker 1:Spectrum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:I would take it a step further than that, which is that it feels it feels, and this is why I need data to support it. I need McKenzie or somebody else do a study, tell me how many commercials actually represent this, but I know for certain we're talking about it, so more people than just me are noticing this. It feels like an ideal is being presented, and that ideal is a family that has a white parent, a black parent and mixed race children, because that's what marketing does it creates. It's supposed to both be reflective of us, but also be aspirational for us, and I genuinely I'm curious. I'm sure someone out there thinks they know the answer. So fuck with me, tell me something. Why, why is that? Why are we presenting that as an ideal? Who does it serve? Does it truly serve the advertiser? Does it truly serve the product or the company that is using this form of marketing, form of advertising? I know everybody's got their theories not actually looking for theories right at this moment. Does someone have something that is data supported, that can tell me how are these commercials performing? How are these advertisements performing? Is there a reason why I see more and more and more of this? Because I'm an advertiser and if it's the case, I will put mixed race children.
Speaker 1:Oh, morgan says don't do it. Okay, don't do it. Well, why not, morgan? I got shit to sell. If they want mixed race babies, I will find them. I'm just kidding, no, but dead ass. I really want to answer.
Speaker 2:I want to pull a girl within itself, because you always see the same representation of a mixed race kid which is like this light skin, light colored eyes, perfectly curly hair which is not always true. Which is not always true, and so I am exhibit A.
Speaker 1:So I just think that that there should be a variety of mixed race. Yes, and Morgan, I just want to point out perfectly, curly is not something that exists. Curly is whatever it is. Is that perfect? It's just hair Fill me, hello.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:Yes, I feel you. Okay. Thank you, well done, morgan. Yeah, okay, morgan's scared. I'm not scared. I really like this one. Can you just make sure at the top of that shit we're gonna be out here in five minutes, four minutes. Can you just make sure? At the top of that shit it says whites. I have a question. I just want, I just need the and please, at the top, make the question so blunt. Do you all like mixed black people better than non-mixed black people? Because the advertising is telling me that's what someone is saying. Is the American ideal for a family? I know it's coming. I've been around a lot of mixed folk. I know you guys are gonna get spicy with me. Some of y'all are gonna even say I'm mixed Cause. I know that's coming too. It happened. This is I've been in this conversation for a long. We've been having this conversation for a long time. Also, I love mixed people.
Speaker 2:I do. My closest friends are mixed. I love.
Speaker 1:Morgan's mixed. I love Morgan Like come on man, come on dude, come on.
Speaker 2:Wait, you're not mixed, ah.
Speaker 1:I just want. I literally just want. Is it cool? Can someone just tell me, can you just say the answer definitively? I would love for some white person to comment like yeah, actually we do prefer mixed people, cause I can write if it's definitive, I can wrap my head around that and I can honestly accept it and leave it alone. It's like, oh okay, cool, all right, two more things. I have an MBA to say on Thursday. Can I tease it? I'm gonna tease it All right very quickly. I'm gonna do this in one minute. Um, phil Jackson has a theory. We gotta do the Kanye thing on Thursday too. Really quickly. Mba thing you can take this with you. So, phil Jackson, no, fuck it, it's mine now. Nevermind Phil Jackson. I came up with a theory that Not based on Phil Jackson.
Speaker 1:Not based on Phil Jackson I don't even know who that is that NBA teams that make it to 40 wins before 20 losses in the regular season are the only title contenders. They're the only teams that can win the title. Only two teams in like the last 40 something years have been able to buck that theory. Okay, so most of the time, almost 90% of the time, the team that wins the championship gets to 40 wins before 20 losses. Here are the teams in the NBA who have a chance to meet that bar. There are seven of them the Celtics, the Bucks, denver, the T-Wolves, the Clippers and the Cavs and the Thunder. Did I say Thunder, thunder? Now I'm gonna tell you which of those teams are actual contenders to win the championship and which are not. And this is my combination of them being a part of that theory. They have a chance to meet that bar and also just eyeballing where they stand statistically and also what I see on my TV. So the Celtics have already they've already made it past the bar. They're 41 and 12. First on offense. Third on defense the Clippers 35 and 17. Second on offense, eighth on defense the Nuggets, the defending champs. Statistically they're the worst of all these teams. They're 35 and 18. They're 12th on offense, 15th on defense. But they have Jokic, they have the system, they've been there before. They have a chance. And the fourth this is the fourth. There are only four teams that can win the title this year, guys. I'm telling you who. They are the Celtics, the Clippers, the Nuggets, and the fourth is the Minnesota Timberwolves. They're 37 and 16. They're 16th on offense, but they're number one on defense. I've seen them play in person this year. It is very difficult to score against them because of Rudy Gobert and because of Jada McDaniels and because of Anthony Edwards and, honestly, because of Carl Anthony Towns. He's seven feet and he's very agile. I would add to that for the T-wolves they are not highly experienced in the playoffs, but their best players are not young, except for Anthony Edwards. Their best players are not babies.
Speaker 1:Here are the fake contenders. The Bucks I told you, guys, that when they got Damien Lillard. They're second on offense. They're 17th on defense. They're 35 and 19. So there's a strong chance that they're not gonna clear this bar anyway. The Oklahoma City Thunder they're 36 and 17. They're fifth on offense, fifth on defense. They remind me a lot of last year's Kings an over performer. That, I think, is the lights are gonna get a little bright for them when the playoffs start. And then the Cavs 35 and 16, 14th on offense, second on defense. They almost got swept by Jalen Brunson last year. Y'all, I just can't. I don't see them taking a leap from losing 4-1 to the Knicks all the way up to winning the title this year. So those are your four title contenders the Celtics, the Clippers, the Nuggets, the Minnesota Timberwolves. That's it. There's nothing but anarchy.
Speaker 1:Look out for our taped. What is it? What do you wanna call it on this? Look out for the episodes on the live show. It's coming out next week. It'll be available via. We Don't Know Yet, but we're gonna put a cover on it. We're gonna make it available for sale like a live album, like a live comedy album, kind of thing, and we'll see you all Thursdays. We'll be right back here. Bye.
Speaker 2:Thanks for watching.
