The Athletes Mindset
The Athletes Mindset
Episode 8: Jax Richardson
In this episode of The Athlete’s Mindset, Ben Hall sits down with NBA skills coach Jax Richardson, one of the game’s sharpest minds in player development. From his early grind to working with elite NBA talent, Jax shares how he helps players sharpen their craft, master their mentality, and separate themselves from the competition.
The two dive into the details of what truly makes a pro, from confidence and consistency to adapting with the evolving pace of the modern game. Jax also opens up about his personal journey, the lessons he’s learned along the way, and what it takes to build trust and discipline at the highest level.
Whether you’re a hooper, a coach, or someone chasing greatness in your own lane, this one’s packed with insight, energy, and real gems on how to elevate your mindset.
Welcome to the Athletes Mindset Podcast. I'm your host, Ben Hall, and today I'm here with Jax Richardson. How are you doing today? How are you doing? I'm doing amazing. I'm so glad you could come on the podcast, share some of your experiences and what you're doing right now. Yeah, for the people that don't know, you're currently an NBA skills coach and you do a lot of player development. Is that right? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah. So start off for the people that might not know your story, how'd you get started in player development and working with NBA guys?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So uh I was playing in uh Spain and Girona, and our gym time wasn't um like priority. Our women's team was Euro League, and we weren't. Um, so it kind of started out me just trying to get extra gym time for myself um and working with them, essentially trying to uh um work them out just so I could ultimately get more gym time for myself. Um I ended up getting hurt. I came back to America, um, went to St. Louis. My sister was moving up there, um, met up uh Drew Hanlon, uh Pure Sweat uh basketball who I currently work with. Um and it was kind of on from there, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Got you. So yeah, that's not a normal route. So most people don't even know you know that lane exists until they see someone, you know, is doing that. That's pretty good. So where was the moment click? This is what I'm supposed to do. Like, because I know, like starting off, like, you know, this is not your dream, like probably still playing professional basketball.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right, right. Yeah, man. Um, no knowing or noticing that uh my attention to detail was a little bit different. Um, even like when I was playing, uh my coach would be trying to like implement a new defensive scheme or uh set up a new offense that nobody really ran before. And like knowing how quick I understood what was happening compared to my teammates, I was like, okay, this is interesting, right? So then working with other players, like trying to explain, because of course I've been around players and like I asked them, like, you know, how how do you get good at this move? Well, what did what did you do to like get your go-to move? And they're like, I don't know. So it's like seeing that difference between being able to convey something and just do it, and kind of being able to do both together. I was like, okay, this is interesting. Um, and then just trying to see, you know, how I can help people as best I can, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, most definitely. I know you talked about Drew Drew Halen as well. Is he like one of the been one of your biggest mentors um in this space?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, for sure. That's uh that's my guy right there. Um, big bro. Uh he went to Belmont, which was you know a couple hours from you know where I grew up in uh Tennessee. Uh so I knew about Belmont. Um, I knew about him for the most part. Um, and then now him being looked at as the world's best. Yeah, uh it's great to be uh you know affiliated with him and uh help out his guys whenever, uh help out him whenever. Um, you know, I'm grateful.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's one it's one thing to be talented, but also having that such a great guidance early on changes everything. I do have to know, like, what is y'all's record 1v1? Like who who wins those matchups?
SPEAKER_00:The only time we were gonna play uh was uh Mac McClung's pre-draft. We we were all gonna play. Me, Mac, because Mac's from maybe 10 minutes where I'm from. Okay. Um and so we were all gonna play because Drew, you know, he liked to talk. Drew liked to talk. He he lets it go. Um Trash Talk Olympics, he would be heavy gold medalist. Um, but he did something to either his hamstring or his knee. Um, it just seems like every time you know somebody's about to check ball, but Drew hurt. So it's like I get he old man style as well. So you know, gotta let it be.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So when you're developing NBA players, what would you say um separates like the good ones and the great ones?
SPEAKER_00:Uh how they actually the mindset going into the workouts, right? Like knowing that everything we do is gonna have an effect and it's gonna be beneficial. Um, and it's not just a drill, right? Like the NBA, uh, you have to be great at your role to eventually move up to a bigger role, right? Like somebody's not gonna trust you with if they can't trust you with five dollars, how they're gonna trust you with a million. Yeah right. So that's essentially the name of the game in the NBA is how do you get your people to trust you at doing your role the best that you can, and then eventually move up, right? Like Jordan Poole's a great example, came in as a defensive guy uh to help just give people breaks whenever they were hurt on the Warriors. To then he grew uh his role because he was playing so well on defense. To then now he is who he is now. He's the offensive weapon, right? He doesn't really play defense anymore. Yeah, but you know that it that's kind of how it has to go sometimes for certain players, um, especially the ones coming in to a team who already have the guy, right? They already have, okay, we got our people. Uh so now your job is to figure out how you can help your team win, and then just do that the best you can.
SPEAKER_01:You know. Is that like a hard thing nowadays? Like most of these guys, you know, being the leading scorer on their college team um or overseas, and you know, now they're coming here is like play a role. Is that like something that's very hard for them to come into?
SPEAKER_00:It can be. It really can be. It is an ego check for sure. Um, it's not something that a lot of people have great success early with. Sometimes it takes the the bumpy road of trying to do it your way. So you have to be like, all right, hey, I need to, if I want to stay in the NBA, I gotta, I gotta do what they need me to do. And then uh it's essentially do what you have to do to do what you're gonna do, right? Once they can grasp that understanding, it's gonna be better for them in the league in general.
SPEAKER_01:Got you. One thing I struggle with when I used to play was confidence. So how do you like what's your philosophy in like building confident confidence, especially like when a player is like maybe going through a rush, rough stretch throughout the season or just didn't come off a good season? What's your philosophy on that?
SPEAKER_00:Right. I mean, it's basketball at the end of the day, right? We've we've been shooting 10 foot, uh, 10-foot goal a whole time we've been playing. The free throw line is 15 feet, it's always been that. Yeah, right. So kind of just bringing it back, not letting it be bigger than what it is. It's a game. We love the game. Of course, we can do things right. Like it, this isn't 2K, bro. You can't you can't green light, and it's just gonna go in. You can green light in real life and miss, right? You can shoot it perfect and still miss. We are human. Um, but it comes down to kind of just you know, being backgrounded, understanding what it is what it is. Like you're gonna miss the greatest shooter, who, in your opinion, is Steph Curry, I'm assuming, right? He misses more than 56% of the threes he shoots, right, at his best season. So it's like, bro, it's gonna happen. Um, but then trying to help get that confidence back, uh, you know, bring up highlights, you know. I mean, go go to your best game, go to the moments that you thought you were the greatest basketball player, run those back in your mind, pull them up on YouTube, whatever it needs to be. Just to remember, like, hey, you can do this. Um, because I mean, ultimately, even in life, like that is kind of the roller coaster of life, right? Like, we get down because things start going left, but we have to be able to maintain neutral as much as possible. Don't get too high, don't get too low. Let the main thing be the main thing, and that that is it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I know you mentioned Steph Curry, and and the way the get the game is how I see it is a lot of people are not necessarily track training the right way. So there's a lot of chucking threes and all that. So is that like one of the main things you've seen going wrong with young players trying to train like the pros now?
SPEAKER_00:For sure. It's um I I I wouldn't even say it's a wrong thing, right? Like perception is perception, like people see how they want to see it. Um, of course, I think it does hinder their growth, right? Like something too soon too early, yeah, is never a good thing. Like, think about it lifting weights, right? You're not just gonna go into the weight room and try to miss 400 pounds. Or you know what I mean? Like it's just not not gonna happen. So if we can get the mastery of motion down, regardless of what it is, right? Fluidity is key. So if we if we can get mastery of motion, whether it's you know, running, uh shooting, you know what I mean, even football, right? Throwing, something like that, if we master the motion, then we can kind of expand, right? It's not like kind of like you said, it shouldn't be first shot you shoot is a three, right? First shot you shoot is volleyball at. Like it should not be how we do it. Um yeah, man, I mean, it's great for the game because uh everybody loves it now, right? Like the growth of the game is amazing and it's helped a lot. Now it's trying to really make sure everything gets smoothed out, though. I think that's where uh the youth kind of comes in, and people say that Europe is overtaking America, yeah, like because they are so strict. Like I'm playing in Spain, I'm thinking like, okay, second best country in the world. Like these practices are about to be crazy. Bro, I'm doing stationary two ball dribbles five minutes. I'm just like, bro, what are we doing? We we pros. Like, why are we but I had to understand, right? Like it's not it's not the same. Um, but priorities, right? Like, yeah, what do we focus on? What is the main thing? Uh it's not really growth. Like, even Europe, they don't start playing on 10-foot baskets until like eighth grade or something like that. Oh, nice. You know what I mean? So it's like the the way that we go about it is it it's different. Um, and I think that's why Europe is ultimately catching up. Um, and if if something doesn't change, it's it's kind of gonna be like that, right? But hopefully I can I can help as much as I can. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I would say for me, like even I used to hate those type of drills when I was growing up playing. And so now, like, if I go like to my school's reg, that's all I'm shooting just threes. I don't really have like a any moves in my bag. Um, what's like one of your best moves or like your go-to for ah that's tough, bro?
SPEAKER_00:That's tough. Um go to uh probably uh a hezi or um a bump out. So just really trying to get into the defender and then just running away, uh getting stationary, pump, vegan, step throughs, things like that, trying to be as crafty as possible. Um, I'm I'm on the smaller side, right? I'm like 6'2, 6'3, so it's like I've always had to try to get every bucket possible, right? Like I did, I couldn't just um be bigger than everybody, you know what I mean? I couldn't just muscle everybody, I had to be as crafty as possible. Um so yeah, man, probably it probably something like that.
SPEAKER_01:So for someone for like my skill set, like my terrible skill set, what what's a move I should try to do to like not shoot threes all the time, maybe get an easy bucket or two?
SPEAKER_00:Uh I mean, paint touches is always a good idea, right? Like, because then what's gonna happen is defense collapses. So it's like now if you don't have something, somebody else should be open, right? So I'm playing pickup, um, or if you're asking me what you should do in pickup or something like that, yeah. Try to get some paint touches, right? Because now they're gonna be worried about you driving. So then that will open up your three ball. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I'm gonna definitely I'm gonna definitely try that because I mean I just go out there and start shooting air balls, and I get in my head, like I'm not shooting no more out, play some defense, most I can do, get a couple of rebounds and help out where I can. But I just it's definitely a good uh thing. So with the NBA season coming back, what is like a typical offseason um look like for you and those guys that you train?
SPEAKER_00:Man, it's uh it gets tiring, it gets uh a lot of screen time, um, uh a lot of work on synergy to make sure we're progressing in the right way, um, you know, but also correcting the right things, you know, like athletes have like one, like if you think about it, athletes have to be kind of something off mentally in general to you know to think that they can perform at this high level, right? So then, like you said earlier about the confidence, like how do we keep that where it needs to go? Because training is hard, man. Like it's it's not easy. Your body goes through a lot, physically, mentally, emotionally. You gotta check in every day, you gotta lock in. It's not easy to do. Um but being able to watch the game film, see where they actually struggle, see where they excel, try to touch on the places that they excel, and then really kind of you know, um perfect and and you know, um, I don't want to say correct, but uh, you know, polish and and smooth out uh the the places where you know they struggle. Yeah. Because you know, there isn't a single perfect basketball player, right? Like that's why uh that you see all the things where it's like, yeah, if I had Steph shooting LeBron body, like magic passing, like you know what I mean? Like there's no such thing as a perfect basketball player. Um, but the only thing we can do is strive to be the best we can be. Um, and that that is why it's so mentally hard and physically hard. Because uh, for example, one of my best friends, he he plays professionally, right? Um, and his offseason's crazy compared to you know the the other ones that I've seen, you know. Um, but the amount that he goes through on a daily basis, like if you're not ready for that, it's gonna be extremely intimidating. And I think that is the biggest part. Like it comes back mentally. Like basketball is basketball. Like I said earlier, we've been doing this thing for you know, five most of the time, or possibly younger, you know. So the basketball part is basketball, trying to get better at it and really figuring out you have to be mentally okay with saying, like, yeah, I need to get better at something. Or yeah, you know what, you're right. This does need to adjust, or oh, well, right now, what's wrong feels right and what's right feels wrong. Being able to get that through your mind, it's like, okay. That that's the mental side of it that is extremely hard. Um, but you know, having a good atmosphere in a gym matters a lot. Yeah. Being able to have an environment that um not only produces growth, but invites it, right? Like a lot a lot of people are scared of growth, man. Like the uh like what would Michael Beesley say recently, he said uh the reason why a lot of people don't want to be great is because you gotta do it again. Yeah, you know, it's success is scary because now you get held to that standard of all right, yeah, uh 98 of 103s made in a row, you gotta do it again, bro. You know what I mean? So it's it's not an easy place to be, but if my job ultimately is to get to these players and get them to approach it in a way that they feel they can be successful, um, and now I'm in the middle trying to like piece it together, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:So, you know, for people that don't know like you know what a skills coach does or how it works, like does it does a player reach out to you and you know they say these are things I want to work on, or you already have like film study of their game, and you know, this is where you can improve. Um, you know, I can help you out with this. How does that work?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so um it can kind of be a bunch of different ways. Like I've reached out to players before because I genuinely just like how they play and I see something that, oh yeah, yeah, we can work on this, and like they're gonna be even better. Or, you know, the agent reaches out, um, the player reaches out. Like it can be a bunch of different ways. Um, but then when it comes down to what we need to work on, right? Uh in season is different. Uh in season is more so just like main maintenance, maintaining, like, okay, we're on we're on a cold streak right now. Like, let's let's get back mental. Let's let's go through some stuff that really works in off-season to get you right specifically. Yeah. Um, but then like off season, it's okay. I come up with like three things that I think they need, and then I have them do the same thing. Like, if you could be unstoppable, if if you added one, two, to three things max, and if you tweak something in the same thing, but the limit is three, right? We're never gonna work on more than three things in a summer. Um, but if if you were to give me three things, right, whether it was to fix something or add something that would make you unstoppable. You you could not be guarded. What would it be? And then we kind of come together and we pick and choose. So then they're feeling as if they're working on something they want to work on, but then I'm also seeing what they actually need, and it's like we're trying to integrate both.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, most definitely. Who's been like one of your favorite players that you trained?
SPEAKER_00:Uh man, that's tough. Um honestly, uh, it's on the WNBA side. Um, Caleb McBride has been one of the greatest people I've ever worked with. Um just the genuine person, um, like extremely loving, caring, like hooper for real. Yeah, like anything, any never, it was always like, okay, cool, yeah, let's do it. Like it was never a pushback. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like an extremely amazing person. Um, yeah, I would have to say K-Mac. Uh I love Tyrese. Uh Tyrese Halliburton. That's my dog right there. That's an amazing human being. Um and I have to say uh Hartenstein too, I guess. Okay, nice. That's as bro right there. That's uh he gave me a hard time now, but that's my dog for it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not too much of a big Tyrese Halliburton fan. I'm a Knicks fan, so I'm still hurt about the outcome of you know last season and that type of thing, but I can't really wait for him to um come back this season and you know bring his Patriots team back and hopefully, you know, lose to us um, you know, how far they go. But yeah, but with the pushback, do you get like a lot of that often?
SPEAKER_00:Um, I've honestly only had it happen like uh maybe three times, right? Like, and most of the time it's always been from you know, somebody I'm working with, they they want to bring somebody. They're like, bro, I I know you can help this guy. And it's like uh, and I I got blindsided one time, I had no idea it was happening, right? And um, I'm talking to the coach after because it was college kids, and I'm talking to the coach after I was like, Yeah, bro, I didn't know he was gonna bring a boy. He was like, Yeah, man, he was like, hey, Jack's smart enough, he he's gonna figure it out. Like, we ain't gotta tell him nothing, it's cool. Uh and that kid just I he, you know, he he wasn't um it was more so like I'm telling him to do something new, he's never done it before. Um, and he's kind of being self-conscious about it. Yeah, so there was like a pushback in the sense of no, I I am doing it right. And it's like, all right, but I'm not gonna argue with you. Like cool. You can go, you can go do your stuff on that basket. I'm gonna do what I'm paid to do over here with this guy. Um, but sorry, I couldn't help. You know what I mean? It's not I'm too old for that, bro. I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm I'm you know, cool. You want to work? Perfect. Love it. I work with anybody who wants to work, who wants to actually put work in. But if you just want to sit here and argue with me, I'm not gonna, we're not doing that, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, do you prefer like college or MBA, WMBA? Like, is there a certain level you prefer?
SPEAKER_00:Uh nah, man. I I just love helping people, bro. Like, I I I'll genuinely I think the lowest I've worked with is middle school. Um I've only worked with like two middle school kids. Um, but like I said, if people want to get better at basketball, I'm I'm more than willing. It's uh it's what it's all about. It's the you know pushing the game forward any way I can and not just saying, oh yeah, no, I'm too good to work with these people, or nah, they're not good enough to work with me. Like, no, man, I I work with kids who have never touched a basketball and you know the best of the best. Like, gotcha. It genuinely does not matter. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01:So if I gave you three things I would like to work on, how fast, how fast would you say it usually takes for like someone to you know get better at it, or just does it depend on how fast the person learns?
SPEAKER_00:That right. That's uh that's kind of like my my secret sauce is learning how the person takes in information. So once I learn how you learn, my life becomes easy because okay, but I know I'm gonna do this, this, and this. And if I do it this type of way, they're gonna pick it up perfect rather than um only teaching it the way I know how to teach it, it it kind of like hinders the player ultimately. Like, think about it like a teacher, right? Yeah, um, because I struggled in school because teachers didn't care about you know, trying to make sure I understood the information. Yeah, right. They just wanted to teach it how they knew how to teach it, right? Most definitely. That ultimately hinders, you know, the person learning. So once I figure out how the player learns, it's like, all right, now I can actually set a timetable of how much we're working out a week, um, like how long the sessions are, what we're actually getting done. Some players do two a day, right? So it's like knowing that and then knowing I know how you're taking information, then I can actually get an accurate, you know, time frame of things. Gotcha, boy.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, me, I I'm gonna give you my my three things where I would like to start. I would say left hand layup first. Okay, love it, love it. Um, my favorite move to do is the in and out cross. So I but I do want to learn like the little push cross thing. That's that move. And then let me see, probably just some ball handling uh type things. Because once I do my in and out cross, I I do get ripped, so it doesn't really go anywhere. So I'm I most likely do need a screen. So probably like some simple ball handling drills, like you know, like you said, a little stationary. Um yeah, I would like to do the two-ball thing. I've never been able to do that. So probably my two favorite things. Um, what's something most people don't like outside of the basketball training? What's people don't know about you?
SPEAKER_00:Um, that's a great question, bro. Because it's uh most of the time it's just basketball, right? Like uh uh one of my closest friends, uh Jackie Young, she like the reason we got so close was because all we do is basketball. Like uh I coached an arrival and I stayed with her. Um, you know, had the you know, the the crib down there and everything, and all we did was keep basketball on all the time. So we'd be in the gym all day and then come home and just watch basketball. And it's like, you know, so most of the time it is uh that that is like what it is for me. Like it's just basketball. Um but if I had to pick something, uh uh I anime, you know what I mean? Like uh BBZ cool, you know what I mean? Um yeah, I don't it's tough, man. I guess I would have to just say, you know, anime.
SPEAKER_01:What's like a beginner anime I should start watching?
SPEAKER_00:Uh I Dragon Ball Z is great. Um Dragon Ball is good too. If you want more like a uh comedic one, that's kind of like the first one. So Dragon Ball Z is kind of in the middle. You got Dragon Ball Super after, and then Dragon Ball Z and the I mean Dragon Ball in the beginning. Um, any of those are great, but like if you want more of a comedic one, go ahead and go Dragon Ball. If you want more of like the action stuff, you can start with Dragon Ball Z and then go to Super.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, nice. Also, I hear you know, you're a big shoe guy. Do you have like a big shoe collection? Uh that I do, bro.
SPEAKER_00:It's it's not uh it is it is not normal the amount of shoes that I have. Um, it's I need to start, you know, giving some away. Like I feel bad with just the amount of shoes that I have. But yeah, man, I I I love shoes, bro. It's uh it's it's like a culture, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, most definitely. What would you say is your top three shoes you have right now?
SPEAKER_00:Ooh, top three that I wear all the time or that I just have? Um hoop shoes or regular shoes?
SPEAKER_01:Regular shoes, but throw one hoop shoe in there.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, okay. Uh I love Jordan 1s, so I'll probably say most worn shoe I just kind of throw on. Um probably the obsidians. Um I do like my most like sought-after shoe is the the Euro um off-white Jordan ones, the the all-white off-white Jordan ones. Um and then it's hard to pick a hoop shoe, bro. Uh I would say my most recent hoop shoe that I really enjoy hooping on is uh the Kobe 11 Achilles heel. Nice, yeah. I like that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Is I really love that shoe. Um, but then you know you can never go wrong with Kobe 4s, 5s, yeah, 8's, you know what I mean? Um yeah, that's probably that's probably the story for me.
SPEAKER_01:But the guys you train, do you ever get like PE's and stuff like that?
SPEAKER_00:Uh I mean I've never asked. Like, I'm I'm somebody who like I probably could if I asked, but it's like, ah, I don't know. I hear all like the horror stories, right? Like um Indiana All-Star Weekend, uh in Indiana, right? I I see Ty uh the game before the break, and I'm talking to him, and I'm like, bro, are you excited? He's like, Yeah, man, it's just it's stressful. I got everybody asking me for everything. I couldn't imagine. So it's like being on that type of uh relationship with people, I I don't like asking for stuff, especially hearing the horror stories of like the oh I'm getting pulled every which way, you know, knowing that it would be different if I asked, but it's like uh, you know, I I let it be.
SPEAKER_01:Most definitely. Now we're gonna move into the fun part of the show. I'm gonna have 10 questions for you. I give you 30 seconds to answer these 10 questions. We're gonna see how you do. Tell me when you're ready. All right. Uh yeah, I did let's let's do it, bro.
SPEAKER_00:All right, let's see.
SPEAKER_01:Game winning shot at home or away. Oh, way fried chicken Wednesday or fried fish Fridays?
SPEAKER_00:Uh chicken all day.
SPEAKER_01:Your top pregame song.
SPEAKER_00:Ooh. Uh oh man, I'm gonna run out of time. Uh it's something about aha gazelle. Okay, favorite food. Ooh, uh soul food.
SPEAKER_01:You said your favorite who to shoot uh favorite shooter hooping. So LeBron or Jordan?
SPEAKER_00:Uh I see both sides, bro. Uh let's go. I can't ask questions to it. Uh Jordan, Chicago all day. Got you.
SPEAKER_01:Are you call or text?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, hit me on the tape, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Singing or dancing?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I can sing, baby. What you mean?
SPEAKER_01:Instagram or tick tock.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, dang, bro, these questions are crazy.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I'm gonna say IG. And then three words to describe your game. Uh bucket smooth, crafty. Gotcha. It was a it was a little bit over time, but you know, we'll get into it. No, no, it's definitely good. Last question What's some advice you'll give to the young trainers out there that you know ultimately want to get into player development and you know, being an NBA skills coach one day?
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Never stop learning. Like, regardless of what I know, I'm constantly trying to figure something out. The game is always changing, game is always changing, game is always evolving. Try to learn as much as you can from anybody. You can literally learn from anybody. Um, I've learned from a kid who's never touched a basketball before, just on you know, anything. Like you have to be open to learning.
SPEAKER_01:That's nice. That's great advice. I want to say thank you so much for sharing your story, you know, what you do now. It's really truly a good, funny conversation and a great insight to what you do now. And thank you for sharing your uh platform story on my uh podcast.
SPEAKER_00:Sure, for sure, bro. I'm grateful, uh grateful for your time as well. Like it's uh it's been fun, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, most definitely.