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1, 2, 3, 4 couples and singles who want to unlock their relationship potential and reconnect on a deeper, more meaningful soul level. We share insights, client breakthroughs and personal stories to help move your relationship from surviving to thriving.
Speaker 2:Welcome to another episode of Thrive Again, your relationship podcast. I'm Michael and this is Amy, hi guys, and we've got a cracking episode for you today. We have had a few special guests recently, so we thought we'd just exclusively have us again. And, um, and yeah, what are we? What are we going to hope, hopefully, dive into today?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think this is a big topic because we actually put it out to our audience. We've got a bit of a facebook group and if you're not part of that, um, there's an invitation for you guys and, if you're on facebook, and your invitation for you to come and join us, but it's called thriving relationships, and in that group we put out a bit of a questionnaire, a bit of a survey, to see what topics were hot and what people wanted to know more about. And it was more about reigniting intimacy and passion and finding that spark again. And I guess that's really relevant topic for our audience because often a lot of you guys out there have children or, you know, in a long-term relationship where maybe the passion has been kind of waning a little bit. And so today we're going to talk about a bit of a controversial topic, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's why date nights don't work, and that shocked a lot of people in the lead up to our webinar, and we were getting messages, and especially messages from people where it does work, seemingly so for them, and we're not necessarily saying that they don't work. I know it is, you know, a very straight down the line comment, but, um, but what we are saying is that they're they're not, they're not all positive, they're not all roses, they're not all roses, and so we're actually going to reveal today why this can actually cause some negative implications in the relationship, and we're also going to reveal some of the ways to really ignite the passion, which is a little bit left field, because we've shared some concepts around these topics before.
Speaker 2:But this is yeah, we're just going to left field, but also very practical for you guys.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, let's dive in. So why? Why does the research show and why do we think, I guess, that date nights don't work? Let's talk about that yeah.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, date nights. Let's talk about what happens when you have regular date nights, because most of the time we've prepared for them, so we've, you know, maybe, especially if we've got children, if we've got a family we plan the date night ahead. And when we plan ahead, then we introduce an element of rigidness in there which then leads to, you know, almost like like an expectation. You know that, um, this is something that we're priming ourself for. It's going to be exciting, it's going to be fun, or it should be exciting, it should be fun, and, as we know, when we start to put shoulds and that equals expectations, which then sets us up for failure, you know and and what if one partner feels pressure from that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think, working with some of our clients, this is actually a real thing. You know, like often people are told go and have a date night. You need to have a date night, go get away from the kids, spend some time together. But what that does is it does put a lot of pressure on each other to have this most perfect night. And what happens if it's not the most perfect night? What happens if one of you guys are tired and exhausted and just actually don't want to go out?
Speaker 2:Or what if and what if, on the flip side of that, your partner is super excited and full of energy and they've got their expectation of what this is and you feel like you're going to let them down?
Speaker 1:that's right. There's so much to it, there's so many different layers to that and and I mean we're not saying that date nights don't work, um, sometimes and and on those occasions when you're both feeling excited about it. But it's the routine, it's the the regular once a week or once a fortnight where, oh yeah, date night's coming up, I better get excited for this. It actually can drain a lot of the spontaneity and the excitement out of a relationship because you know it's coming and it's prepared, and then, let alone, the expectation of the sex afterwards.
Speaker 1:Right, let's be honest, I think a lot of, particularly men that we work with, uh, and in society, they think date nights oh yes, it's date night, I'm getting late yeah it's lucky, I'm getting lucky, you know, and and that puts a lot of pressure on the woman, especially if they're a mother, and they're probably exhausted and and they haven't probably slept well, and the last thing on their mind is, um, you know, coming home after probably a dinner, late night, they're wanting to have sex.
Speaker 2:That's probably the last thing on their mind yeah, so it might not be you, um, but it may be you as well. And sometimes, you know, routine inhibits spontaneity. So that's also also another thing that comes into play. And you know relationships, sometimes routine can help to get some focus on the relationship. We're not denying that. You know there's some couples that are so stuck in the busyness of their lives that they just don't. That's the only thing that they can do to at least keep the relationship surviving. So we totally get that. But we're interested in thriving relationships.
Speaker 2:So it's really can we become attuned to the potential of spontaneity coming into play? And today we're actually going to give you some hints as to how to introduce that, because you know, for a lot of us it was lost. It was lost in our relationship. We were just really so stuck in our individual lives. We just seemed to come together at dinner time and then maybe talk about our day, but then we drift into our own worlds again. So, yeah, I think for a lot of couples it's really helpful to find ways and inroads into really enlivening the space between you again, bringing life back to that and spontaneity is a key area yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I just want to speak quickly into um, into this, because I know if there's an expectation around date nights, it put it's put pressure on one or or both of you in some way and then that can actually lead to feeling like it's your duty, it's the role that you have to do.
Speaker 1:You're on a date night, you must have sex afterwards, and I just want to make sure that it's never okay to think that that's what's expected or what you should be doing because if it doesn't feel right, yeah, it's nice to go out for a beautiful dinner or whatever your date night looks like, whether it's a picnic, the on the beach or in a park, whatever that looks like for you. Just allow that to be all it is.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have to lead to anything else the research is really screaming at us that when we have increased pressure, that equals decreased desire. So just remember that increased pressure on an individual or a couple equals decreased desire. So just remember that increased pressure on an individual or a couple equals decreased desire for each other. Because desire is like a flame. It's like a flame that comes spontaneously. We use that word again. And when we have pressure, that equals stress. And when our body and our mind and our spirit is stressed, then desire is going to be the last thing that's going to be you're able to tap into a hundred percent all right.
Speaker 1:So now that we've realized that sometimes date nights aren't the best idea? For connection and intimacy and spark. What are some different ways, what are some left field sort of ways, maybe, that we can bring back the passion, the intimacy in a relationship?
Speaker 2:Right. So there's this concept from a sexologist named Dr Karen Gurney from the UK, who speaks a lot about this, and I really encourage you to check out some of her work. But she speaks about sexual currency, and when we're talking about sexual currency, we're speaking about sexual currency. We're speaking about not as in an exchange, or a monetary exchange. We're talking about currency is in the current, the electrical current between you.
Speaker 2:So, in order to have a sexual appetite, it's really crucial to monitor how you and your partner are interacting with one another when you're not having sex, when you're not having physical intimacy. It's basically the contact that you have with your partner through the days, weeks and months that don't include the acts of sex themselves. So it could be physical affection, it could be flirting, it could be suggestive looks, it could be speaking about each other's bodies, saying how sexy we think you are, like maybe a little tap on the bum, or maybe you're in an elevator and you just want to push your partner to the wall and and just whisper something into her ear. It's the compliments. You know, do you remember when we used to do this? It's the stuff that actually enlivens the sexual energy and tension between the two of you. It's different from plain and plain and simple physical affection, though, isn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, definitely. Physical affection is something that you do with your kids or your relatives or your friends.
Speaker 1:You know it's warm and it's loving, but it's definitely not like a sexual energy, or, yeah, it's a different type of spark or currency, I suppose. But, um, whereas the the sexual currency is, the intentions are attraction and desire. It's like I can imagine in my mind. What I'm seeing is like a flint, you know, trying to light a fire with a stone and a flint, and and it's the sparks that are igniting that, that flame. Um, just those little ignitions every now and then throughout the day to create and bring on more of the desire and the sexual chemistry in our bodies to wake up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and people ask if we get our clients to schedule sex and, as I said, as maybe a measure that is in desperation and all things are cleared in terms of like, both partners are feeling like there's no, I guess, overbearing kind of what am I trying to say? When, when your partner is in a position where they feel like they have to give sex in order to please their partner, when all of that is quite clear, then maybe scheduling sex could be, you know, helpful in some circumstances. But what we say is, instead of sexually scheduling sex, we should be actually really scheduling sexual currency and intimacy. So this is the stuff that we're talking about. This should be part of your days. You know, really, when it could just be even in a text message even if you're not together, because a lot of people aren't.
Speaker 1:You know, people go to work, but it's just those little messages that you you receive that might go.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know, that little bit of a that's nice, or yeah, it gives a little tingle yeah, a little bit of tension there, a little bit of healthy interaction that suggests to your partner that you are more than just a mate, because sometimes we get stuck in these friendship type scenarios and this is one way of just breaking out of it and the beauty of this type of thing that those little messages or those touches or those little sparks throughout the day it actually removes the pressure for it to go anywhere.
Speaker 1:It might just be a little, you know, touch on the bum, but it doesn't mean that they're about to jump into bed together, so that that can also feel a bit safer, particularly for the women, I think, because I think you know we've worked with couples where the woman's, like I, don't want to show any, any affection or any attention because it might mean that their next minute, you know, there's an expectation. So those little sexual currency, uh, opportunities, don't necessarily mean that it's going to lead to anything and it removes the pressure from from that.
Speaker 2:Yeah so there you go, there's your tip number one, and I really highly recommend just maybe just not starting it on your partner, but just speak to them about hey, like this is what I was, I was listening to or I read about an article um, isn't that interesting and uh, and then just just introducing that into your relationship if it's faded. So yeah cool. So the next, the next, uh, one that we wanted to bring to our audience today.
Speaker 1:So the next one is lightening your mental load. So obviously we are living in a very stressful situation and with life. People are busy, jobs are pretty intense, there's a lot of demands, a lot of time, a lot of energy, which creates like a capacity in our mind of complete fullness. There's nothing left. You know, at the end of the day we're usually exhausted and overwhelmed. So if we can declutter our mind or kind of remove some of those to-do lists by maybe sharing them with each other a little bit more, opening up, saying hey, I'd really love it if you can give me a hand bathing the kids, you know, lightening that mental load, sharing those things that are on your mind, can allow some more space for intimacy, for the possibility of the energy to create that you create that sexual desire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you were saying the other day that our biggest and most powerful sex organ is not between our legs but between our ears, because it all starts with our brain, and if our brain's bandwidth is at its capacity, then again there's no way that we're going to be able to trigger desire. At its capacity, then again there's no way that we're going to be able to trigger desire. So, yeah, if we can find ways of improving our physical, mental, spiritual well-being, then it's obviously going to help our, our desire and our ability to access that. So, like what's something that you do, babe, that really helps in this area? Because I know that you sometimes can be really mind-focused and I know that you're doing often a thousand things at once. So what is it that you need to do daily or weekly to help lighten your mental load?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think for me having my own practices, like finding some space in the day for myself to either sit in meditation, go for a walk, do some exercise, just to kind of get back into my body, out of my head into the body, allows that to actually kind of tune in a bit more to what's going on in my body. Oh, actually, there is a little bit of a desire there. Or maybe, you know, once you're out of that rat race in your mind you're kind of surprised, I guess. What's, um, what your body's showing you signs of yeah, yeah, for sure yeah, and I think for me I'd agree.
Speaker 2:I like walking, meditating, maybe playing a bit of music, but definitely getting my feet on the earth is a good thing, especially after a stressful day.
Speaker 1:So for sure, and I think that's um important, because when all your energy is given to everything else you know, the kids, the work, the to-do lists there's no energy left for that desire to be sparked, or that intimacy or the passion you need to kind of make space for that and create space for that, because that's important, it's really important in relationships to have a healthy um, you know intimacy and sex space, because that, you know, if you don't have that, then we've got to look at reasons why what's happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, perfect, all right. So next one is interesting because we've been doing this for a while now, and that's taking a very cold swim or doing a cold plunge, or shocking the body in some sort of way using cold therapy. And so you know, it could be taking an ice bath if you've got one, or if you have, if you know a friend who does, but it could also just be just jumping in a body of water lake, the ocean, river, whatever's nearby and yeah, this has been shown to work wonders for our physical and mental well-being, which of course, really helps with your own well-being in the relationship space too because if your cup's full and you're feeling like you're alive, then naturally that's going to transfer to the energy between you yeah, I think that one's kind of related to the.
Speaker 1:We're talking about men lightening the mental load. That's a way to do that right it. It invigorates our whole body and it brings us back into our body when we're in very cold water. You know we're in the present moment, we can't be anywhere else when we're in that space. So it helps us, it's.
Speaker 2:I guess it's a stepping stone to lightening the mental load in a way, because it's a way to do that yeah, one thing I just want to add in here is that if you're already hyper stressed and everything for you is compounding and it's actually way too much, then cold therapy can actually adversely affect you in the wrong way, because what we're doing is we're actually firing off cortisol and adrenaline by doing this, and if you already got that flowing through your body, then just make sure you check with a health practitioner if it's a sensible idea first. But for the average person, I would say that this normally has positive lasting effects if you do it regularly yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:It's been shown that cold water therapy can increase our testosterone levels, which can lead to improved sexual health, and it has a positive impact on our intimate relationships because of this, because of this some dopamine and serotonin and all of the chemicals that has been shown as a happiness booster you know, to make us feel better.
Speaker 2:So yeah, cool, all right. Next one is ditch the booze.
Speaker 1:It's a controversial one, isn't it? Because I think, um, I think well, controversial in the, in the terms of when you think about passion, intimacy, I think a lot of people think, oh, I'll have a glass of wine or two, or relax, and then I'll be more open to the potential of leading to that, you know their guard will be down.
Speaker 1:You know that kind of well, I know that at the beginning, when I was a little bit more not so secure in myself, I was a little insecure and I was probably nervous about, you know, performing or how my body looked or what you would think.
Speaker 2:Drops the inhibitions, yeah exactly so.
Speaker 1:A few glasses of wine did wonders to that, but overall the research is showing that actually it's probably not the best thing to do yeah, because I mean, you think about it.
Speaker 2:When you have I don't know, two, three glasses of wine, you're out to dinner, you normally get a little bit tipsy. That high that you're experiencing only lasts for a certain amount of time too. So maybe by the time you get home you know your breath is probably not the best because you've got alcohol. Your breath is probably not the best because you've got alcohol on your breath. You're probably only gonna be capable of drunken fumbles in the dark, and you're also maybe likely to be a bit more sleepy and less interested in sex as well. So the other thing to consider is, if you have too many drinks, men can actually find it really hard to get an erection. This is very, very common. So you know, especially for those who have been in relationships for only a short amount of time, this can become a really significant problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, and I think you know igniting intimacy and passion again is not always about the sexual desire but when we're talking about ditching the booze it allows us to also be more present into what we're really experiencing and how we're really feeling with our partners, and that allows more space for those deeper conversations. You know where that intimacy grows, particularly for women. Anyway, you know most women love the deep conversations before the physical intimacy, so it's sometimes a hindrance against that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, all right. So the next one is to put the screens away. So this is an obvious one, because it's an attention taker and really we've got to acknowledge that technology is now geared and AI, everything is geared towards taking our attention. It's the largest commodity right now in the world is our attention, and whatever organizations, apps and functions can actually remove us from our present moment, they actually take away our ability to to be present, and if we're not present, then of course, resentment's going to build, especially if there's wounds around. You're not paying attention to me I'm not listening, you're not listening.
Speaker 2:I'm not important to you. If they're already there, then naturally, if you see your partner just scrolling on facebook, then they're going to see that as being.
Speaker 1:You know that I'm not important enough for you and all these other people are absolutely, and it's interesting, isn't it, that I was looking at the. The stats and the amount that we are having sex in australia has been falling steadily, uh, in the last three decades and obviously this coincides pretty clearly that the huge technological advances during that time has had an impact on this.
Speaker 1:You know, it's clear that there's more people connected to their phone and disconnected to their partners you know, because we're so caught up in this addiction, really, of the dopamine hits and stuff that we're getting from our smartphones these days yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:So we are finding that the research is saying that you know, paying attention is really crucial for good sex. So we need to be paying attention to our partner and that includes all of the little intricate clues that they're giving us, and you can't see them, you can't feel those intricate clues if you're not tuned into them, if you're not attuned to them. So, yeah, these devices take it away from us and really, to stay in the moment or to invoke arousal, we need to be in the moment.
Speaker 1:Absolutely so. Ditch the phone, banish them, even have a set period of time where you just put them away and don't have them anywhere near you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, the next one.
Speaker 1:The next one. Well, it's pretty simple, because I love this one Make sure you're getting enough sleep. This is really important for intimacy, passion, excitement because, sleep is foundational for so much of our well-being overall, but no one wants to find that extra energy when we're tired, to have that passion or that intimacy spark Because, let's be honest, we're too tired. We could be bothered. It's the last thing we feel like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely so. If you don't have enough sleep, then it deprives our hormone function. Um, that can lower your mood and your energy, and then that can create a domino effect, you know, which spirals into self-destruction.
Speaker 2:Um, that hinders just about every area of our life and of course, this is going to bring into play your connection and that's going to be the last thing on our mind. So I think we know now from research that getting getting a good night's sleep increases our chances of having sex the next day by 14 percent yeah, yeah, you know, you'd actually probably even think that could be higher.
Speaker 1:To be honest, 14, I reckon it's probably even higher. And you think about new mums and you think about, like the, the lack of sleep that they get, you know, and how tired they are, and there's no wonder that there's no desire for, for passion or intimacy, or desire for, for a sex drive. You just libido is gone, right, because it's just like, look, that's the last thing that I've got time for or or energy for. So, yeah, yeah, new parents are, are, uh, definitely one where I've seen a lot of uh issues, I guess, around this area of their relationship, and it's completely normal. But these other little things that we've already shared may help you guys to spark that up again yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2:The next one's more of an energetic one and it's about the root, the root chakra. So, as you know, we have certain energy centers in our body and the root chakra is a very important one, I guess, because it's related to the libido, it's related to sexual desire and, um, and a few other aspects of our, our physical being right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely. I think it's important to look at, particularly for women. I think this is quite common, but for men too. If there's been sexual trauma, birth trauma, stuff from the past that is still stuck and the energy hasn't been moved or healed or shifted, then it's going to cause problems in that sexual desire. You're not going to find that desire because it's actually probably in a protection mode. You're shutting yourself down in that space and that's work, really important work for a healer or practitioner or someone specializing in that area, to help you release that. But activating the root chakra can help to kind of soften and move that area.
Speaker 1:I suggest to some of my clients, you know, moving our hips, doing a bit of dancing, our yoga poses, where we're opening up the hips a little bit more, feeling more sensuality and sexuality through that kind of movement and seeing what comes from that. You might be surprised that women who and men I shouldn't just say it's women, because I know that there is some sexual trauma in men as well not so much obviously the birth trauma, but the sexual trauma from the past are very blocked in this area. It's like they're stuck, they can't move their hips. I'm not dancing. That kind of energy is coming through for them and that might mean that there's something deeper going on. So it's worth worth facing that past and having a look if that's potentially playing out for you, because when we activate and heal the root chakra it helps to restore that sense of safety, and we need safety to have that desire and that libido for us to to express ourselves fully and completely, because if that isn't coming from a safe place, then, um, unfortunately it's.
Speaker 2:It's not a nice, nice area to to be in safety it's such a big word in our world and, yeah, safety being you know I'm safe to express, I'm safe to speak my truth, I'm safe to be me, around you, and if you feel that that is true, then you are likely to have desire. If you don't, then you are protecting yourself because you're feeling unsafe. So there's going to naturally be a protective mechanism around that root chakra.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, and it's worth exploring a little bit and seeing what is this. And you know, sometimes it's unconscious as well. But if you're noticing that your libido is down, your sexual desire is down, you've got no energy, then maybe exploring some of these other avenues is important for you as well.
Speaker 2:but yeah, reaching out and getting the appropriate help is important yeah, and finally, I just wanted to go through what can be a major contribute, a contribution to a lack of desire and spontaneity and affection and, you know just lust for your partner, and that often comes down to mental and emotional blocks that exist in you and we work through this.
Speaker 2:This is kind of our bread and butter now, for Amy and I, in our healing work that we do with couples is working through issues, events, circumstances that have happened between the two of you or maybe beyond. Issues, events, circumstances that have happened between the two of you or maybe beyond that have contributed to you not feeling really safe. And I want you to imagine that you and your partner, you obviously have a heart each, but let's just see them as being an energetic type center, because they are. They. They're full of electricity. We only need to put an ECG monitor on and we can see. But we can also measure. Now we know through the HeartMath Institute that we can even synchronize our hearts and so when the two of us are together and we're healthy and it feels good, our relationship is good, like our relationship is good. But and we're healthy and it feels good, our relationship is good Like our relationship is good.
Speaker 2:But when we're not clear, there's an actual channel. We need to imagine there's a channel between the two hearts and that channel will then be every time that there's some sort of a trust issue, then we're going to place, there's going to be a block on my side of the channel that's going to inhibit the flow of energy between my heart and yours. And then maybe there's some sort of I don't know a respect. You're not respecting me, or at least I'm perceiving it that way Boom, there's another block in the channel, and you imagine, with a couple that's been together for 20 years, that doesn't know how to repair conflict. Well, these blockages are going to be massive and they're going to inhibit your desire for your partner, because there's so much that's unreconciled here, and so what we're in the business of is decluttering that channel and opening up that channel so that we can have a clear flow, a clear path of energetics between you and your partner yeah, that's, that's so important.
Speaker 1:And another word for all that stuff that builds up is resentment, right, yeah, resentment that builds up over time from all of those things no appreciation, lack of respect, parenting differences, unresolved hurt, you know, all of this stuff can really block that desire and that, that sexual chemistry it's like. It's like a big fat roadblock. It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2:I'd say that if we've been in a relationship for more than two years, we're guaranteed to have blocks, and that's okay. Let's just normalize the emotional blocks, but it's just. Can we have the maturity before it gets to a toxic state? Can we have the maturity to actually communicate consciously about this with our partner so that we can actually clear these up? And a lot of couples can't. They can't do it. It's too far gone and it's actually too difficult to bring up. And if that's you, then maybe seek out some help. And it doesn't have to be with us, but with someone that you can trust, that can help hold the space for you to have those conversations so um yeah, really deeply encourage you to do that if you know, because you would know now as you're listening to this.
Speaker 2:Yes, there's some stuff.
Speaker 1:Yep and sometimes I think the trap is and I've been in this in the past it's kind of like oh, you just push it away, you just push it down and you just think, oh, it. And you just think, oh, it's okay, it doesn't matter, yeah, it's fine, we can still have fun, it's still, you know, let's still have a good time. But what happens over time is actually there's a part of you that you're shutting down as well. There's a part of you that you're not listening to because you don't know how to deal with it. It's not your own, it's just like oh, I don't know, this is just how it is. I suppose it's my.
Speaker 1:You know we're in a marriage, we're in a relationship, just what I have to do. But the more you do that, the more actually it impacts you negatively in so many ways. So I really encourage you to face these sorts of problems and and really look at them head on and and definitely reach out. We can, we can certainly help look at these resentments and these issues. That's stopping that connection and stopping that deep desire, because it's such a beautiful gift that we're given between two human beings to be intimate, to have that space of pure bliss and creation and all of the beautiful things that sexual intimacy brings.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Amazing, that's it.
Speaker 2:I it. We've covered it all. I'm sure there's a lot to take in there, guys, and and there's some practical ways you know in which you can take on board from that and maybe only take one of them away.
Speaker 2:Maybe only one of them called out at you or maybe all of them did, but but if you had any questions, I'd really encourage you to reach out and and we'd love to share some tools and tips into each one of those get into a little bit more depth with you if you struggle with something in your relationship, especially.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, and if we do have a little free resource, we might put the link in the show notes. If you're wanting to download the resource, it's for free. Yeah, check it out and it will help you just to kind of decipher a little bit more about what each of those areas mean to you and your relationship. Thank you so much for listening. We really appreciate you and if this episode helped, feel free to share it with others, because we love getting this message far and wide and hopefully spark some intimacy and ignite that passion for you guys and your relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, freshen it up, folks, and we'll see you on the next episode.