The Butterfly Pig

In this episode of Raising Disabled, we talked to pediatric oncology nurse Mary Jenner, the founder of The Butterfly Pig.   She has created an innovative company that is making toys that mirror real medical equipment that children interact with in the hospital and at home.  

If you would like to donate towards a child receiving a toy from The Butterfly Pig to reduce that child's anxiety surrounding their medical equipment, check out her Wishful Wings program. 

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Rhandyl: [00:00:00] Hey y'all. Welcome back to Raising Disabled. Today we have a special guest on Mary Jenner. She is the founder of the Butterfly Pig. And I remember when I first saw this brand, I heard about it from one of my daughter's speech therapists, and I'm like. That's a weird name. That's crazy. So I googled it and , found it. This has been a few years ago.

And I remember looking and just thinking, oh my goodness, this is such an awesome platform. And so basically , which Mary's gonna fill us in on everything, but this company creates toys essentially that mirror medical supplies. All the way from. G-tube pumps and bags, ventilators, MRI machines, AFOs, cochlear implants and they're all to Fit Dolls. There's all sorts of stickers, scar stickers, G button stickers, you name it. I feel like every time I get on the website there's something new, which is so [00:01:00] awesome and exciting. Yeah. So Mary, just tell us when and what inspired the butterfly pig.

Mary: Yeah. Thank you for having me on here. I it's a, gosh, a convoluted story. So many different things happened to lead us to where we are now, but I am a nurse by training. I started my nursing career in peds oncology, and that's where I really saw the need for.

Tools to teach kids about what they're going through in a way they learn best, like a hands-on way or through play. And I would put real IVs in my patients' teddy bears, there's only so much you can do with that. And yeah, so that is what kind of got me recognizing that gap and how we needed that.

But it wasn't until several years later. I was on maternity leave, mid pandemic, and I suddenly had all this time and I started to make [00:02:00] miniatures out of clay of like miniature wedding cakes for ornaments and just like fun things. Like I've just always been very into crafting. And at the same time, somebody asked for a cochlear implant in a mom group. They were asking for a cochlear implant to match their daughters for their doll. Yeah. And so I said, oh, I make miniatures out of clay. I can try to make one outta clay if you want. And it was just like this fun random thing. I sent it out and then she shared it and then more people started coming to me asking for similar things.

And that's when I realized, okay, maybe I can be the one to make those toys that I wanted as a nurse. Right? So we started thinking, how can we make these actual toys? Get them safety certified and make them so it's not something that it's gonna take me hours and hours per device. 'cause it just was not feasible.

Yeah. So then we got 3D printers and it really slowly grew from there. So now at this point we're not. [00:03:00] Based in our home anymore, I have a, it's like a 1600 square foot office space, and we have 26 3D printers and I have my family all on board, so I have both my parents here and my sister-in-law works here and her sister.

So it's really grown into what it is now, and it's started as. Representation. We just wanted to make sure that kids could see themselves in their toys. So that's why we actually named it the Butterfly Pig, because separately I wrote a book called The Butterfly Pig, and it's about a pig born with butterfly wings. And it's a whole story of inclusion and self love and learning to embrace differences. So when I open the business, I. Was like, you know what? I think this would be a really good meld is to name the business after the book. So it started as inclusion and representation, and then as [00:04:00] hospitals have been seeing the value in it, it's now even more so getting into like education and making these right like therapeutic tools for kids that are undergoing medical experiences.

Deonna: Yeah. That is so cool. I love how a COVID hobby turned into your, mission in life in a way. Yeah. That's so cool. I had heard about it maybe from Randall. I'm not sure how I initially heard about all your stuff, but we do this thing called stuff the van, and we give toys to our local hospital that me and Randall go to, and we've been doing that for several years.

But this year I had sponsors including I. Our podcast Raising Disabled and it allowed me to buy tons and tons of products from you back at Christmas and I bought just everything I could think of that, somebody might need or that the Child Life Specialist, which we've talked about child life [00:05:00] before. But it's the group at the hospital that helps the kids have a better experience. It's like the music therapy dog therapy. They just come in and play with you and distract you from the things you're having to face, or they prepare you a lot too for like surgical procedures and things like that.

And so we bought out tons and tons of stuff from you back in November because. , The hospital was so excited about it, like they were squealing. We were going through the box of all the different things and they were just, they were like, some of these we're gonna use to train the kid on what's gonna happen, or, just like different things like that. Or they wanted to give a lot of it away to the kid with the doll. We had a lot of donations of the, 16 inch tall or 18 inch tall or whatever. So it would match, but do you partner with a lot of hospitals or child life specialists? Tell us a little more about that. 

Mary: Yeah, we're, gosh, we're [00:06:00] in over a hundred hospitals at this point where they purchased, so most of those are child life departments that are purchasing these tools for education. So that is like our big B2B sector is through Child Life specialists. Mm-hmm. I also have a child life ambassador that I talk with fairly frequently and I'm doing a webinar for nurses with her about the power of play in healthcare. So I do, there's a lot of integration with Child Life. I also work with Hearts Connected, which is the virtual Child Life company, so they offer. Virtual Child Life Services throughout the US and Canada, I believe. Oh, wow. Wow. So that, with that partnership, it is quite neat because anybody who gets referred from our site or our package inserts 10% of the funds from their session will go back into our wishful wings program, which is like our registry program. [00:07:00] So any, okay. Families that would like our tools, but they can't quite afford 'em yet. , They can make registries and then we're granting wishes as we can through that. 

Deonna: Oh, okay. So yeah, we were gonna talk about that. So they just make a registry, like a wedding registry essentially. Mm-hmm. Of what they want and kids can do that, like personal families and hospitals, is that what you're saying?

Mary: Yeah, so really, we just wanna get these tools into the hands of people that need them. So whether it be individual families or a department, like a child life department that just doesn't have the funds for it, then any, yeah, really anybody who needs it can make a registry and strangers can go in and grant wishes. But as we raise funds, we're granting wishes too. 

Deonna: That's so cool. I love that. 

Rhandyl: I really love that. Yeah. Yeah, I was reading that on on your website and I was Yeah, I'm glad we went into that. We were definitely going to talk about that program and how people can [00:08:00] help with that. , So like I said, it's been a few years ago when I first found out about it, and it's crazy how much you guys have grown since I even purchased my first few items for my daughter.

As our listeners know, my daughter's trached and so is Deonna's daughter, my daughter Remi, she's had a trach. And a G button since she was an infant. And she, it was pro, I think it was her birthday two years ago, maybe Christmas. But I got a doll from the website that had her same color, hair and eyes, and purchased a trach in a. G button and she uses an AAC device and hers is purple and I got the purple one and her favorite color is purple and she always has always worn AFOs. So her doll had AFOs to match. And. I remember like when she opened that gift. It was just the cutest thing. Her just the brightest eyes. And my son was like, it looks like [00:09:00] sissy. I'm like, I know. It's so cool.

I mean, we had gotten little plush dolls, I feel like in the hospital when she was young that had similar things. But your products they look just like the. Actual medical products. Mm-hmm. And so we use her doll, in her speech therapy for communication, whether, we're trying to teach her to let us know through her device, Hey, I need to be suctioned. And so we use the doll and we use a suction catheter and try to get her to use her device and have the doll use her device.

And then during pt, she will put her AFOs on and then, her doll has her AFOs on and it's just, it's education, but it's also play, like you said, it's so important. And it's just so awesome that you are doing this.

And we utilize her doll and the products throughout ot, speech, pt, and [00:10:00] just for play at home. And I was scrolling through and I was seeing more and more, even since we purchased products in November for the stuff, the van, like Deonna was saying, I was like, oh, wow. Yeah, there's a lot more and so new stuff.

I'm so excited for the new products and also, for the, stuff, the van and then, hopefully we can. Be able to show our listeners and our followers through this podcast and through our social media, like how awesome these products are, and get the word out there even more 

Mary: yeah, and we are, when you mentioned like how we make them realistic, we do we get licenses from certain companies to get their actual labeling on there. And I really, if you do go to Walmart or Target and you get their doctor's toys, often they don't look realistic. It's no, a glittery syringe in. I always think that's so funny because I [00:11:00] then where's the benefit in it when they go in to get their shot or whatever. It's not pink and glittery like that. Yeah, they're not gonna like that. So that is something that we really are trying to do is make it realistic so it actually represents their true medical experiences so that they do work.

Deonna: Yeah, they exactly the same. 

Mary: Yeah, and we're constantly making new stuff, like you said, so all the business professionals I'm surrounded by tell me I need to reduce the number of items that we have, but that's not what we're about. Because even kids, if you have one infusion pump, if it doesn't look like their infusion pump, they might not get it. Like they won't think it's cool, but if it looks exactly like it, that's where it really makes them light up and get excited about it. 

Deonna: Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of disabled kids need exact replicas because if they have any sort of cognitive disability whatsoever, they need to know okay, [00:12:00] this is the mini of this exact thing. That is what we're trying to say here. They can't sometimes use that imagination or that, type of thought process. Yeah. They need literal, exact replicas. Yeah. So you understand that, which is good. I. Yeah, my favorite things, 'cause I got to see quite a bit of your inventory in real life and it was so shocking to me when it all came in because, in my head it was gonna come in this big box, but everything was so mini and it was so cute.

I showed Allie every single thing and we were just like, oh my gosh. Everything was. Like the size of what would be for like an American girl doll. That's mainly what we got. But there's stuff for Barbie too. But I loved the feed bags. Those were the cutest things ever and how they had the little beads in there and stuff.

But like you said, they do look realistic. It's just, I was wondering what you were gonna put on the inside of the feed bags and it was like little confetti and glitter and I was like, that is so [00:13:00] fun. But the AAC is so cute. I loved that. One thing I wish we would've had back in the day, Allie had a big surgery with her abdomen back in the day, and they said they were gonna put chest tubes in.

I had no idea what that was gonna look like. That was way more traumatic for me as an experience than I thought. I thought that like she was gonna have these teeny little tubes coming out of her chest and you weren't gonna be able to see anything. But you guys have the. Chest tube drainage system, which I thought was really cool because, I wish I could have showed Ally, Hey, you're gonna have this hooked to you for days and it's gonna be hard, but this is what it looks like and it's not a big deal. Because she was so freaked out by that whole. Chest drainage tube situation. And so I'm like, oh, I wish I would've had that several years ago. But 

Mary: I know, and we probably didn't have it yet either. 'cause that was, yeah, I [00:14:00] wanna say it was last year. It's actually. My sister-in-law's sister, but we're close, so I still call her my sister-in-law. Yeah. Her son has HLHS and so he had heart surgeries and that when he was going in to get one of his major ones, she said, is there any way we can make that chest tube drained? Because that Yeah. I heard is really hard for them. Yeah. So that's when we made it so she was able to thankfully use it for his surgery and he did phenomenally with it 

Deonna: And a lot of child life is not, a lot of the child life specialists are mainly dealing with stuff like that, like surgeries and stuff. Like they're not usually probably dealing with these year long admissions like Rhandyl or these half a year admissions like us, like where you know what I'm saying?

, But I think most child life is probably more the surgeries and stuff, so I love that you have a lot of surgical things in there. 'cause I do think that is so scary. Like having surgery as a little kid, it's [00:15:00] terrifying. And so it's nice having something to, make it fun in a way, like with the toys. But yeah, I love the MRI machine. Tell us about that. 'cause. Yeah. Ally's scared of getting in MRI machines. 

Mary: I know. So that has been in our design queue for a while because the sheer size of it intimidated me. I, it's the biggest thing that we've made. And I was at the Child Life Conference and a child life specialist came up and was talking about how. Helpful it would be 'cause she works in the emergency room and they have a lot of kids come in without caregivers and that they really need something like that to show them what to expect.

So after I was talking to her about it, it really helped. Kick it into gear that we need to get this made. So we wanted to make a machine that could be utilized for like CT and MRI play. So it is like the [00:16:00] donut that the sliding bed goes into, but there's a QR code for, if they're using it for MRI play, it actually takes them to YouTube video where it has the real MRI sounds since that is, those are fun typically. The I know, right? And it is, it's like a good 10 minute video. So like you can do a whole pretend play session on it.

But . When we're making the items, we wanna make sure it addresses like what they're going to expect or fears they might have with it. So we have the sounds, we have how it goes into the tube, but we also added straps because a lot of kids do have to be velcroed down so they stay still. So we wanted them to be able to act all of that out through play beforehand. And seeing what to expect at the hospital. Really, 

Deonna: that is something I have multiple sclerosis, so I have to get an MRI every year. And so I've gotten so many at this point and [00:17:00] I don't like going to do that. And it's fine. Like I don't have like a. Panic attack over it, but I'm an adult. I know why I am doing it. . And I hate the sounds. They're so loud and, but it's hard to explain that to a kid, like why you're getting put in this tube And I get the head cage. Around my face. And my daughter has to do that too when she gets 'em. And so having that little thing, it takes the fear away being like, you're fine. It's safe. They just go in and out and there's no, but, oh, those are intimidating machines. Like I love that y'all have it now. 

Mary: And that's where, if you think of. Like a child completely new to the medical world. If somebody tells them we have a machine that's gonna look inside your body, you have no, I like, they might be imagining surgery, oh, they're gonna cut you open and look inside. Or so this, having these visuals and being able to act it out is huge for them and understanding what's going to happen.[00:18:00] 

Rhandyl: Yeah. And I feel like it also might save the under anesthesia MRIs, because. That's obviously one addition is having to go under anesthesia, but if kids that have the capability of understanding and seeing and playing and visualizing what they're actually going to go through it might reduce the number of kids that have to be put under anesthesia to get an MRI if they under, 'cause that's always a, that's always a question. And so 

Mary: there's studies on that. Yeah, there's actually published studies showing that medical plate reduces sedation needs. So there's, which is awesome. It's phenomenal.

Rhandyl: Not only do I transfer my own child in and out of her stander very frequently, I transfer my pediatric physical therapy patient in and out of their standers every day. And Zing standers are thoughtfully designed. Transfers in general are not easy, but Zing took care designing a standard to simplify the process as much as possible.

All [00:19:00] Zing standards feature a comfortable transfer height, a supine flat to load position, all support and positioning options like swing away knees, swing away trays, open bases that work well for single person lifts or using a patient lift. Zing also takes into consideration the number of transfers throughout the day between different pieces of equipment.

So they designed a stander that could position a child from supine to prone. It's a seamless transition from full supine to 20 degrees prone and provides a therapeutic opportunity found in no other stander. You can learn more at Zingstanders. com 

yeah, we talked about just a very small amount, but what are your most popular items that you guys usually get requests on or sell?

Mary: The funny thing is, so the ones that are consistently getting sales are the ones that are really interactive. Where it's like the infusion set up where we have the bag, the pump, and it connects to a central line or IV on the pole. Mm-hmm. [00:20:00] Or the feeding pump set up.

But the funny thing is it depends., What groups we're getting shared in at the time. So there was like a influencer that posted our cochlear implants. So then we started getting a lot of different hearing aids and cochlear implant orders and mm-hmm. Chrissy Teigen posted about the diabetes Barbie and we commented on it and she said, oh, I'm going to your website now. And then a ton of uh, glucometer and like insulin. Orders came through. So it's funny because that's cool. Whatever's being posted about. 

Deonna: That makes sense. I love my, I love that. I can't believe Chrissy, Teigen, shared your stuff. That's cool. 

Mary: , She posted about the diabetes Barbie by Mattel, and then we just commented, oh, I have stuff. Yeah. So I said, and I have stuff for stuffed animals, and she commented back looking at your site now. So it was kind of fun. 

Deonna: That, that [00:21:00] is cool. Fun. Yeah. I love it. , I do feel like Barbies sometimes tries, but it's like just a wheelchair or, there's. There's a lot. I know when people look at our daughters, like me and Rhandyl's, all they see is the wheelchair and they're like, oh, that's the only thing she has. No. Like they have 70 things at home, that nobody's ever seen. Yeah. But that are a huge part of our kids' life. Just as much as the chair, you know?

Mary: Right.

Deonna: So when you're trying to decide what you're gonna make next, how do you receive those requests? Is it just on social media or how do you decide what the next thing is? It is just from child Life. 

Mary: There's a few different ways. We do have a text line, so anybody who has an idea or request can text it in and it compiles all those requests into a spreadsheet. And if something is really popular and is getting a lot of demand, we'll try to prioritize those. If there's a [00:22:00] hospital that, like there was a hospital that really wanted a glucometer set in those situations, since we know there's gonna be a demand from that hospital, then we'll prioritize that request.

Yeah. It's all over the board. Sometimes I'll get a request and it's something that I have personal experience with and I get excited about it and I just wanna do that one. But yeah, we try to we, there's a bunch of different ways in how we get the requests and make them.

Rhandyl: . So you had mentioned earlier about getting medical supply companies to give you their logos and things, so I'm curious because I know there's gotta be loopholes and copyright patents and things like that. Are they hard to get through medical supply brands or how does that work?

Mary: , All the stickers that I make, I actually make a hundred percent myself. So even though it's made in likeness to a lot of devices, there are key differences since I am like actually designing it. So [00:23:00] it isn't infringing on any copyrights. But if they want their actual name on there, then traditionally, the ones reaching out to us, asking if they can have their name on there to get like free advertising. So it is they're usually very, they, everybody that I've talked to from medical device companies are super supportive and excited about it, so we've never That's awesome. Had any pushback. Yeah, I know. It's great.

Rhandyl: Yeah, I hope that there was no pushback because obviously, like you said, it is an advertisement, but it's also I. For the users of their equipment. But yeah. Yeah. I love how you even I noticed that since I got the feeding pump, there's like the feeding pump holder that a lot of kids have now. I think they get the 3D printed ones off of Etsy. I don't know. There's all sorts of different kinds, but, but yeah, 

Deonna: And the free arm. Yeah. The. So she, So she was one 

Mary: of the owner she was one of the first [00:24:00] companies to reach out asking if we could replicate her device because she just, it it's so cute. I know. So, Yeah, she's amazing. 

Deonna: We, we use the free arm, but not the way they probably intend it. We use it to hold her microphone when we sing karaoke. Love it. But it works good for that. So we're like, oh, whatever. Are there any That's amazing designs.

Are there any designs you're really excited about right now or products you guys are about to roll out that you wanna tell us about? 

Mary: The one that we're rolling out. Is a new infusion bag and feeding bag, because we received a lot of feedback where there are curious kids that wanna take scissors to the bags that are filled or they like, are trying to rip them open. So we now have a new bag style coming out that is not filled. It's cute little art design on a bag. Oh, that's smart though. Yeah. Yeah. So that'll be an option.

In terms of other products, the biggest one that we're working on right [00:25:00] now is dialysis. So I just met with a nurse practitioner about that and figuring out how we can best represent it for the education needs involved with it.

Deonna: That's good. Yeah. It's funny you say that kids were cutting the bags open because. We have those Z flow pillows. You know what I'm talking about? Like for positioning? Yeah. And my kids to this day, those pillows are so expensive. I haven't let them do this, but they wanna cut one open so bad. They just wanna know what's inside this. And I'm like, no. Those things are like $70 each. Like you're not cutting into one. But someday if one messes up, they are so excited to find out what's in the side of that thing. I'm like, oh my gosh. Kids crack me up. They're still kids 

Mary: doing silly things. Yeah. Another, the one that we released recently was the Buzzy Bee. Are you familiar with that? Device like for shots? Yeah. So that the funny thing with them, 'cause we reached out [00:26:00] to get their permission to use the actual buzzy name and they were excited saying that this feels equivalent to Madame Tussauds wax figures. Yeah. They're like, I feel like we've made it. So I thought it was funny. 

Deonna: Oh, you've officially made it When you start making their stuff. That's so true though. Oh my gosh. That was true. That needs to be your new tagline. We're the Madame Tussauds of medical equipment. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. I love it. 

Rhandyl: Ooh, so you mentioned that you have, that you originally wrote a book, which is called The Butterfly Pick, which inspired the name for your company.

So I was reading through your website and I didn't realize. Until I started doing a little more research on the name. But it's comes from the phrase, which I'm assuming I need to read the book, but when pigs fly, which suggests the impossibility of things. And , I like that you guys use that as the inspiration of the company name. And to transition back to [00:27:00] the disability world. So how do you hope in the future that your toy industry can continue to evolve in terms of disability representation? 

Mary: Yeah, . Mascot of the Butterfly Pig has evolved because it is, the book is all about inclusion and self-love. But the reason why I made it is 'cause I've always loved the phrase when pigs fly as not as a. Impossibility, but like the challenge of impossibility and being so immersed in this community now, and even like my youngest daughter who had HIE or like the brain injury at birth. , I've seen so much how you're given a list of what to expect in terms of restrictions on their abilities or like things they may not be able to do, and I feel like there's so many families that just get hit with [00:28:00] all of this. Oh, that's gonna be impossible. Or, you know. yeah. So I think that mm-hmm. the defying expectations it really is something that hits home with a lot of families. And I think the butterfly pig is a good mascot to represent that of defying expectations and, 

Deonna: yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I love it. It's so cute.

, And something I was just remembering, I forgot that I did this, but you can buy these things for your disabled child, but it also makes a great gift idea, like if grandparents are listening or anything like that, these are really fun things to buy for the disabled kid and the siblings as well, because, brother or sister. Doesn't look the same as everybody else, and they have all these extra accessories. And so I think like it can help normalize your siblings disability if you have those things to play with.

But , even my niece who's, four, we bought [00:29:00] this stuff with , the American Girl Doll and then we bought her all this stuff from Butterfly Pig last year for Christmas. That way she can play Allie, like play, you know, Allie's stuff. And that way when she sees Allie, 'cause she doesn't see her very often when she sees Allie, she's like, oh yeah, I've seen that. 'cause I have that with the doll. So I think it's good even to buy their friends or their cousins or just anybody that is gonna interact with your kid. It's a great gift idea. 

Mary: There's teachers too. There's some phenomenal teachers where if they have kids in their class with different medical equipment or needs, they're buying 'em to help with exposure and normalizing it for the other kids. 

Deonna: Oh yeah, that's great. Especially in those like pre-K years, when. They're so accepting of just anything. If you put that in a play place or something in the room, they'll love that. That's a great idea. I love that. 

Rhandyl: [00:30:00] I love that idea to be, have it in the school setting. My son, he's four and he wants to be very involved in sister care, but he is not quite there yet. And he will, I'll be like you can pretend, with her doll. And and so it's definitely, like Deonna said, , there's so many things now and there's, you have just new things every time I log on.

But , I think I saw that there is an app. Can you tell us about that 

Mary: yeah, so we actually, because we have such a long design request queue, we were trying to think of ways to help the families that we don't have toys for yet.

So we developed an app and it's free on the Apple App store worldwide right now. And it. Basically to get medical play ideas like with stuff at home. So you can go in there and say, I have a 6-year-old with this diagnosis, and it'll pop out three different play ideas. Or you can be more [00:31:00] specific and say I have a 4-year-old with fear of needles or.

We recommend putting the age in there because it'll give out like age appropriate, or developmentally appropriate ideas. And then you could even say, we're in the hospital right now and we'd like ideas around of, one of the parents that had a lot of benefits said that her daughter actually had fear of elevators.

And so they asked, they put in the app for fear of elevators at a certain age, what to do. And she said that those activities they do every time, and it's been life changing. Wow. I know. It's been some really good feedback. So even if if somebody's interested in a toy, we do have, they can try out the app if they don't have the funds to buy it or that they're, that's just not, what they wanna do yet, then it, the app will pop out. Other fun play ideas we just wanna make. Medical play more accessible. 

Deonna: Is it called the Butterfly Pig Online?

Mary: It's called Playful Prescriptions.

Deonna: [00:32:00] We'll share it on our social media so that people can see what it looks like. 'cause that does sound really interesting

Mary: it was a fun idea and the feedback we've been getting has been so great, so it's better than I thought it was gonna be.

Deonna: That's always a good thing. Yeah. As we wrap up, just thank you so much for talking to us. These products are so fun. I'm excited to buy out all the things again this year. Hopefully if people support us as well as they did last year and,

tell us a little bit more about how , if you're a listener and you wanna help donate to somebody's registry through the wishful wings, what they can do. 

Mary: Yeah, so it is on our website. If you go to the explore tab, you'll see wishful wings and if you click on that, there will be an option to look through the registries. So if you wanna grant wishes, you can look through the registries and buy exactly [00:33:00] what you want. Or if you just want us to. Grant the wishes for you and you're, you don't really care where the funds go. You can just donate generally as well.

Deonna: Oh, okay. Okay, good. So that's through your website and we'll share the link to your website in our notes.

But thank you so much. This has been so fun . I assumed when. Saw this business back in the day that you were either a parent of a disabled kid or in the medical field. 'cause I'm like, this is so specialized, not just anybody knows what you need to do. So I love that you're using your medical knowledge to do something really cool like this. I love it. 

Mary: Yeah I am having so much fun doing it too. So it's been a good journey. 

Rhandyl: Yes. I love the child friendly healthcare movement. Just empowering the kids. So we thank you for your mission and for all that you do for kiddos like ours. [00:34:00] And yeah, 

Mary: thank you for having me on here.

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