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Angel Pretot - What Happens When We Dream in a Foreign Language
One of the most valuable activities we can do for ourselves is learning a foreign language. For instance, while traveling, being able to speak and understand that country’s native tongue helps us get a greater understanding and appreciation of that country’s culture. Learning a new language also expands our brain and our way of thinking in general.
But language teacher, Angel Pretot discovered another benefit of teaching French to English speaking students. They started to dream in French! What this did for his students is the subject of this episode, as Angel reveals the following:
· What happened when they realized they could dream in French
· How this affected them
· Does this work for all language learning?
· Why his unique way of teaching promoted these dreams
· His belief in the power of language learning
· Angel’s Four-Step Method for learning languages quickly
· The importance of manifesting dreams
I hope these insights spark your curiosity as much as they did mine. Whether you speak a foreign language or not, you won’t want to miss this educational episode of Dream Power Radio.
Angel Pretot is a French learning coach and online entrepreneur. Through his coaching and courses, he helps English speakers learn French fast, become fluent and live their best, international life. After a master’s degree and 19 years of teaching and coaching French learners, he is still obsessed with improving the methods he uses. He loves seeing his students learn faster and better and create wonderful lives for themselves. He now lives in Vienna, Austria, and he has been through all the expat struggles too. Since 2016, he has focused on bringing his expertise online, and growing his coaching business. He can tell you everything about building an online service business, creating signature services and courses, and marketing them successfully to make a full-time income and have all the free time you want. Besides that, he's an actual Frenchman who loves cheese, coming from a monolingual French family who’s still wondering what’s wrong with him, moving abroad, learning five languages to fluency and running an online business rather than just getting a job!
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Announcer (00:00:04) - This is Dream Power Radio, the place where your dreams turn into reality. Here is your host, Debbie Spector Weisman.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:00:13) - Hello. Hello. Hello and welcome to Dream Power Radio. I'm your host, certified Dream Life coach, Debbie Specter Weisman. This is a place where we talk about dreams, both daytime and nighttime dreams, and how you can use them to make the internal shift to a life you love and rediscover the truth of who you really are. Well, are you aware of all the ways you can work with your dreams? I'm fond repeating the quote from the great dream worker, Jeremy Taylor, who said, all dreams reflect our inborn creativity and our ability to face and solve life's problems. And to that end, we can use our dreams for insights into how we react to situations. There are our emotions handle other kinds of life situations, medical issues or use in the club with creative ideas, just to name a few. Recently, I became aware of a way of working with our dreams I'd never heard of before, and it piqued my curiosity.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:01:14) - Angel Pretot is a language teacher with a unique method in how to learn French easily and effectively. One of the offshoots of his program is that he found his English-speaking students starting to have dreams in French. Well, he's here today to tell us what this means and what we can learn from this. Welcome to Dream Power Radio, Angel.
Angel Pretot (00:01:35) - Thank you for having me, Debbie. I'm so happy to be here.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:01:37) - Oh, I'm so happy to have you, too, because I love talking about dreams and having dreaming in French when we speak in English is kind of a unique thing. But let's start at the beginning. Angel What made you decide to become a language teacher?
Angel Pretot (00:01:52) - It's something I did quite early in my career. At some point I was in university, and I had to choose a profession, and I decided to study how to become a language teacher, and I might have become an English teacher for French speakers. That's something that I also did in the past. But eventually I decided to specialize in the opposite teaching French to English speakers and to foreigners in general.
Angel Pretot (00:02:19) - So that is my master's degree. And eventually I built my own business where now my specialty is really completely to teach French to people who speak English. They don't have to be natives, but most of my clients are natives.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:02:33) - At the end.
Angel Pretot (00:02:34) - Of English speakers.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:02:35) - Why do you think it's a good idea in general for people to learn foreign languages?
Angel Pretot (00:02:39) - Well, I mean, I'm biased. I speak six languages myself, so obviously I have a bias for language, sovereign languages and languages in general. It's really a much bigger opening on the world. You will have access to many more different cultures and also different ways of thinking. I know that for myself, if I am thinking of an issue that I have or trying to find a solution for something, if I think of that problem in English or if I think about it in French, it will give me different sorts of perspectives on it. Because the way that the French would look at a situation is culturally different from the way that English speakers, for example, Americans look at the same issue and they will find different solutions.
Angel Pretot (00:03:26) - So you will have a lot more insights in ways to lead your life, not to mention all of the opportunities for traveling that you unlock. Because sometimes when you are abroad and you only speak English, it can feel a little bit restrictive. You know, you can only go to so many restaurants because you have to have the menu in English, and you have to have waiters speak English. And if you want to tour, it has to be in English and just not everything is in English in the world yet and perhaps never. Right.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:03:53) - Well, I want to get back to what you said about solving problems using different languages. And you say it's a cultural thing. It's not just the language itself, but it's all the other cultural aspects that help in that connection.
Angel Pretot (00:04:07) - Yes. So the culture and the language are really not separable, although one language can have different cultures. For example, you know that the American culture and the culture of the UK is very different despite speaking the same language. But like I know, for example, that if I had never learned English, I would probably never have been able to build a business because it's just not something that is valued or appreciated or even really understood in the French culture, as in the culture of France as a country.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:04:40) - And there are no entrepreneurs in France.
Angel Pretot (00:04:43) - They are, but typically there will be a family that has already entrepreneurs. It's just not something that is valued in my family. My parents tried everything they could to stop me from having a business. Believe it or not, when I was younger. And it's only when I was more grown up and living abroad that was like, hey, I'm going to do whatever I want because you can't stop me. But for my parents, it was like the recipe for total failure was to start a business. I don't know why, but I mean, it's just the way they think, you know?
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:05:14) - Yeah, it's very interesting. When did you realize that your students were dreaming in French?
Angel Pretot (00:05:21) - It's something that I first realized for myself because I English is the first language that I learned. And then I learned Spanish and then German. And I know that when I start dreaming in the language that I am learning, it's a sign that my capacity in the language is getting good.
Angel Pretot (00:05:40) - And sometimes it's way before I have this impression in real life. In real life, when you learn a language, you just constantly have the feeling that you suck. It's a very disempowering thing, and sometimes it's good to have the feedback of, you know, other students or your coach or someone like that to tell you how good you are. French or the language that you're learning actually is because constantly, even when you speak a foreign language, if you're not super fluent, you will feel like you suck. I've had conversations where I was, I was with a friend of mine who was a native English speaker, and we were speaking Spanish just for fun to practice a little bit. And my wife at the time was listening to that conversation. She doesn't speak any Spanish. And she asked after we had had the conversation, okay, like what is that about. And my friend told her, oh, what it about is that Angel speaks great Spanish and I suck. And was like, okay, that's interesting because my feeling is that you speak amazing Spanish and I suck.
Angel Pretot (00:06:41) - And so it's interesting when you start dreaming that you speak the language that you learn because it's a moment when you're like, oh, I could actually speak in my dream. And sometimes you can speak in your dream. Actually, almost always you can speak in your dream better then you can speak in waking life.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:06:59) - Okay, so when your student started to tell you that they were dreaming in French, I guess you weren't surprised then because you already had this knowledge from you? Yes.
Angel Pretot (00:07:08) - I'm never surprised. I'm like, okay, good for you. That is a great start. And they know it's a great start because if they wake up and they're like, oh, I wasn't dreaming in French, it will always surprise them in a nice way.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:07:21) - So what happened the first time when they realized this?
Angel Pretot (00:07:27) - It can be confusing a little bit for them because they don't think that they speak French, but sometimes they have dreams where they are completely fluent. So the reason why it happens is that when you're awake, you're always monitoring what you do and being self-conscious and just trying to do things right.
Angel Pretot (00:07:48) - And when you're dreaming, you have none of that. And so it's quite a bit of mental processing, mental power that is taken for monitoring yourself and trying to do the right thing and so on. Which causes you to feel like you struggle. But if you're dreaming, you don't feel like you struggle at all. You're just I mean, sometimes you can dream that you struggle, as I'm sure you know, but most often you're just in the dream. And even if it's completely incoherent, it's fine.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:08:16) - So do any of your students tell you about the contents of the dream, what they're actually dreaming about?
Angel Pretot (00:08:23) - That happens sometimes. Yes. But mostly that conversation is like, wow, I was speaking French in my dream and much better than real life. And I'm like, Yeah, normal. It's a sign that your French is actually pretty good and much better than you think.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:08:39) - So are they just speaking words or is it do they are they having conversations? Is it like the same type of thing that if they were dreaming in their own native language.
Angel Pretot (00:08:51) - Pretty much. It's really just words. I'm sure it can happen to have just some words in French, but that would happen even to beginners. The people that have the experience of actually feeling like they speak French, they have entire conversations. I've had conversations in my dreams, in languages that the people I had the conversation with do not speak in real life. One day I called a friend, and I was like, hey, I dreamt about you, and you were speaking French. And he was like, I don't look. And then you don't.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:09:21) - And they've never spoken those languages?
Angel Pretot (00:09:24) - No, but it's my dream. So my brain makes up whatever.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:09:28) - Right? So you don't really help them really get into the dreams and understand the dreams. They kind of do that on their own.
Angel Pretot (00:09:37) - Yeah, it's not really something that I work with. It's definitely something I would like to explore in the future. It's one of the many aspects that I would like to explore. I have been working with energy healing quite a bit in my coaching practice and so of course working with Dreams is a.
Angel Pretot (00:09:54) - Sort of a similar or related aspect to that. But I find that there are a number of challenges in working with dreams, which first you need people to actually remember them. And then you need to lead them through the symbolism. So I'm still. I'm still studying that.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:10:11) - Okay. Well, let's talk a bit about your dream. So your native language, that is French, correct?
Angel Pretot (00:10:17) - Yes, absolutely.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:10:19) - So when you dream in English, for example, you said that it's a different kind of dream for when you dream in French. What about dreaming German?
Angel Pretot (00:10:31) - Not necessarily. I wouldn't say it's a different kind of dreams. That is more when I think in French or in English or in German, in waking lives that I think differently. But I wouldn't say that this is reflected in the dreams. For me, I speak mostly English in my daily lives. Most of what I do is in English. So also most of my dreams are in English. But any language that I am able to speak even not too well, can just show up in a dream kind of randomly.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:11:03) - Hey, I see that. And let's say, for example, you speak one language. You speak is German. Yes.
Angel Pretot (00:11:12) - So in Spanish. Both yeah.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:11:14) - So when you find that you're dreaming in German, is it because you immersed yourself in German that particular day?
Angel Pretot (00:11:22) - No. I mean, it could probably happen, but I've never noticed a trend like that. But I live in Austria where the people speak German, so even though I don't particularly enjoy speaking German myself, if I go just by something, I if I go to a restaurant or any kind of daily life thing on the outside, I will have a conversation in German. So of course that gets then reprocessed and can show up in the dreams in different ways.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:11:49) - Okay. And how soon after your students start to learn the language do they find themselves dreaming in French?
Angel Pretot (00:11:59) - That can be. I mean, my students, I would say it happens relatively fast because also I have a method of really fast learning. But if you just pick a language learning app and expect to start dreaming in French at some point, I can't tell you that it will ever happen.
Angel Pretot (00:12:17) - It might, it might not. But yeah, I think most of my students wound up having dreams in French, but they don't always tell me.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:12:25) - And do you ever get the sense that they get frightened by having these dreams in a different language?
Angel Pretot (00:12:32) - I've never seen someone be frightened by it. It's always a feeling of, oh, wow, I could do that.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:12:40) - So it's kind of a validation.
Angel Pretot (00:12:42) - Yes, absolutely. It's a very validating experience.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:12:46) - Wonderful. Well, Angel, we're going to get more into your language program and more bad dreams. French. We're going to take a short break now. We are speaking about dreaming in foreign languages. And we'll be right back.
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Announcer (00:13:42) - Welcome back to Dream Power Radio with your host, Debbie Spector. Weisman.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:13:48) - Yes. Welcome back to Dream Power Radio. I'm your host, Debbie Spector Weisman. And we're talking about dreams and languages with Angel Pretot. Well, Angel, your method of teaching languages is a little bit different from a lot of the ways that languages are taught. And you've come up with a four-step method for how to do it. So let's talk about that a bit.
Angel Pretot (00:14:10) - Yes, absolutely. So after a number of years of teaching and also learning languages myself and seeing who was successful with learning languages around me and who was not, I've come up with the method that is really four steps. It's not so much four steps that you do in order, but more like a circle that you repeat. And I've noticed that all of the methods that are not very efficient are missing one or several of those four steps.
Angel Pretot (00:14:35) - If you ask the four steps, you're good. So the four steps it's a is. And I have chosen that in part because it spells the words say like just say that means I know in French. So that's selection, activation, immersion and safe practice. So selection is perhaps the most important step and the step that is missing in, I think, most language learning method that I have observed. Basically, the idea is that if you are a high school student versus if you are a medical doctor versus an international lawyer versus you name it, or third person just wanting to travel, the language that you will actually need to speak is going to be very different. So, for example, for my lawyer students, it's not really relevant to learn the names of all the vegetables at the market. But for someone who is a cook and I've had several students who are cooks, it will actually be interesting to know a lot more than just the names of the vegetables but cooking techniques and everything. So you get the idea that it's really important to choose what you learn before learning it.
Angel Pretot (00:15:42) - And that's a step that I've just not seen methods and teachers doing. It's always, oh, you have a book and that's what it was, what it is. Or you have an app, and the app just feeds you some words that hopefully aren't too random. But at the end of the day, that kind of random because depending on who you are, these are not the things that you need to learn. So that's why selection is super important. And if you get that right, I will say you're 80% of the way there because, you know, it's the 80/20 principle that 80% of your results come from 20% of your efforts here in this selection. That is when you select the 20% that will actually bring you the main results. So that's super important. After you have selected things, you have to set that activation. This is related to how the brain works. So certainly since you are a dream coach, you know about manifesting and all of that and basically you need to first set a goal and somehow visualize it or activate it in your mind to be led there.
Angel Pretot (00:16:45) - So that is what the activation step corresponds to in the language learning method. Concretely, it means that you pick some things that you have selected. And it can be grammar structures or vocabulary words or even ways of having a conversation. And you have to study them consciously just once. Could be enough, might not be, but you have to at least do it consciously because otherwise the first step for selection has just not been very useful. If you don't consciously activate what you have chosen, that is useful because then in the third step, which is immersion, that is when you will use all of the subconscious power of your brain, which is basically you have to have some French in your life or whichever language that you're learning, you have to have that in your life every day. So for every one of my clients that work one on one with, I choose some podcasts and some YouTube channels that are always related to their topic of interests. And I tell them, okay, this is what you want to be watching with.
Angel Pretot (00:17:50) - It's good to use content that is made for natives, and if you don't understand anything, especially at the beginning, it's fine. You don't have to understand anything. You just have to have it in the background. So now your brain knows, okay, that's the thing. You have two languages and sometimes you don't understand much, but it's okay. That's not the goal. The goal is to have it there. The great thing is that when you start relaxing about it, you will start realizing that you actually understand a lot more than you would ever think. But I like that to be more like a nice surprise. And I don't insist too much on that because otherwise that is when people are thinking, oh my God, I have to understand, you don't have to. Even if you understand 0%, it's okay. But I would be very surprised if you told me you understand. 0%. That has to be more than that even at the very beginning. Also, because French and English are just not as different as we think they are, once we realize all of the things they have in common.
Angel Pretot (00:18:45) - And the last one is super important too, because if you do the first three perfectly, what will happen is that you will become a great passive knower of the language. So you'll be able to understand and perhaps to read if you practice also reading it in immersion, but you won't be able to speak, which most people went along the language it is their goal is to speak. So then that is where step four comes in. And it's not just practice, it's safe practice and not just if we have these forces, but also because I have noticed that it's very often missing in the situation in which people learn languages. There's always more danger than would be ideal.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:19:28) - I wouldn't think that learning a language would either be safe or unsafe. So. So.
Angel Pretot (00:19:35) - Fundamentally, it's not something that we feel is safe at a psychological level. If you think of how the primal humans existed, they had their tribe and that was like one family and no one would think that it is safe to run away from the first tribe that you have with their language, that culture, that everything and just go to another one and try to get accepted.
Angel Pretot (00:19:59) - It's a bad idea. Okay? Like at the primal level, you don't do that. You stick with your group and hope because that's your best chance of survival. So at the core, it's just something that we are not naturally prone to doing. We are naturally curious. So some of us will want to try and do it, but we better make sure that it's safe first. So that is part of why it's it has to be safe practice. And if you think about most people when they first learn the language, they are in middle school or high school, that is horrible. That is when you have the worst peer pressure that exists to not make a fool of yourselves to try and, you know. Act like other people want you to act and just not take risks and really try to fit in or take the risks that are accepted by your group. Right. A lot of people will try to like to learn a language in a professional setting, for example. I mean, I don't know if you do that in the US, but in Europe we do that a lot.
Angel Pretot (00:20:59) - People will have language classes, English classes, for example, at their job, and you don't want to make a fool of yourself in front of your colleagues. It's bad. And even worse, perhaps some people actually learn the language directly in the country with a lot of people say it's the best method and it can be a very good method. It can be very effective, but you better not be scared because then you have, you know, it's like doing circus without safety net. Whatever happens, happens.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:21:28) - Okay, so what is a safe way, though?
Angel Pretot (00:21:32) - A safe practice is really having a container. So that's what I try really hard to do in my in my business. I have my individual classes and my group classes and all of those are places where whatever you say, it's okay. The worst thing that will happen is that I will tell you, well, if you're in real life situation, you don't want to say that because you just need some sexual advances to this first question unknowingly.
Angel Pretot (00:21:57) - You know, it's things like that. Or you said the opposite of what you wanted to say, which, you know, sometimes happen because it can be just a little, you know, thing in the sentence that makes it different or yeah, it does not mean what you think it means. And clearly you just requested some completely different dish than what you would have requested if you had been able to say what you wanted to say. So it's the place where nothing bad can happen to you like nothing. You can't even make a fool of yourself because everyone else is in the same situation. Well, except me, I guess. But don't worry. I'm also in that situation day in, day out, when I'm outside trying to speak German to people and things like that. So I bring both the experience of being able to teach to people and, you know, having learned it and knowing what it's like. And also the grace maybe I don't know how to call that, but just the ability to hold the space that is safe where nothing bad can happen and you can experiment with any kind of new structure or new sentence.
Angel Pretot (00:22:58) - And also because I'm very experienced in working with English speakers, I generally know what they mean, even though they don't say what they were meaning in the first place. So that's really if that's really what I encourage you to do. If you want to learn a language, you absolutely need some kind of safe practice. So if you have, for example, a friend who is willing to help you learn the language, willing and able to help you learn the language, then you might want to practice with that. Friends, for example, because they will be very kind and understanding to you.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:23:28) - And you also said before that one of the things you do is tailor your classes to the person. Like he says first is a cook. You have more. Yes. Related things and that kind of thing. But you also said that you have group classes. So yeah, what how does that work?
Angel Pretot (00:23:45) - So I originally started with one on one, and I still do one on one. I use basically those four steps; the selection is something that I'm used to do myself.
Angel Pretot (00:23:55) - If we are working one on one, I have this process called the Roadmap to Fluency, which is really I spend the first hour of our coaching relationship asking you questions and gathering as much information as I can about your life and what you will want to learn so that I can make a plan for you. Then I send you the plan and we work that plan together. So if your lawyer or a doctor or a cook or any profession, I mean, I've had so many different professions at this stage, you will have a plan that looks differently. And then we work that together and then after. Worry. Three years and a half of doing that. I figured, okay, maybe I can find a way to package this and make it into an online course so people can use it for themselves, and it doesn't have to cost so much, and it doesn't have to be so limited because I only ever have seven spots at the same time for one-on-one clients just because I'm just me. It's just one of me.
Angel Pretot (00:24:51) - So I've noticed that if I take more than seven, it just becomes a bit more all over the place. And I really, really want to be focused. So what I did is like, I had repeated that process of creating the roadmap for people so many times that I was able to make it into workshops for people to actually follow the process themselves. And that's what became my French accelerator. I have made a lot more workshops so far. I think we have maybe 25 to date because I like to add a lot more content. It's a lot about grammar, a lot of how to become fluent. There's one about energy clearing, that's one about manifesting with the French language or manifesting the French language and just a lot of like workshops. But the first three are the essential parts of the program. And then I've had it two classes per week for the students who are in that program to come and practice with me. So they have to follow the process to make their roadmap. I will give them feedback because I'm always here to answer any questions about anything really for my students.
Angel Pretot (00:25:55) - And then they get to come to the class up to twice a week if they want and participate and speak and follow their own roadmap.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:26:05) - So do you think it's because the way you've structured your program with the emphasis on manifestation, that that actually also helps promote the dreams in French?
Angel Pretot (00:26:17) - It might. The interesting part is that I wasn't trying to structure it with an emphasis on manifestation. The workshop about manifestation was like the 10th that I've had it and at the time, the way that I was choosing the workshops, I was making one per month. And the students who are voting for the next topic that was most important. And one day I just thought, oh, maybe I could make a workshop about manifesting. And I added that to my list of things they could vote for. And believe it or not, they all voted for it. Then I had to make it. And so it became this like over two hours list of different processes that you can use with manifesting or to manifest the French language or to use the French language to manifest.
Angel Pretot (00:26:58) - And then in the course of making that workshop, I figured, okay, one of those techniques is energy clearing. And I said during the workshop, well, maybe I could also make a workshop about energy clearing. So that was added to the list. And guess what happened next month? Boom, they all voted for it. So that became a part of the work. And I also have meditation tracks on my YouTube channel that are available for everyone. So that also there is also an energy clearing track on the YouTube channel. But that wasn't really my intention to structure it in a sort of manifest way. It's just that at the same time as I was creating those processes, yours before creating the program, I was creating my own business, so I was manifesting my business, and I couldn't help but notice that it was basically the same process to manifest a business or to manifest a foreign language. It's the same kind of steps, and that's how it ended up being formalized in those four.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:27:55) - Is there a final thought you have that you like to leave with audience?
Angel Pretot (00:28:01) - Well, I have my motto that I can share with everyone. My motto is: Have fun now. Don't mortgage the future. And it's intentionally set this way with no preposition in the middle. But don't mortgage the future, meaning your friend is not repaid for tomorrow, but it also can be half an hour so you don't mortgage the future because the only way that you will be happy in the future is if you're happy now. So that's why it's my motto.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:28:28) - Oh, that's a wonderful motto, Angel. How can people find out more about you and your work?
Angel Pretot (00:28:33) - You can find out about me on my website, Transparency Net and on every major social media that will be at French currency. And of course, my name is Angel Pretot. So if you type that in Google, you'll also find me.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:28:48) - Okay. Oh, Angel, thank you so much for being on Dream Power Radio today.
Angel Pretot (00:28:52) - Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure.
Debbie Spector Weisman (00:28:54) - Yeah. We've been speaking about dreams and language with Angel Pretot. I hope you've enjoyed today's program. If so, please hit that subscribe button so you don't miss out on any future episodes. Until next time. This is Debbie Spector Weisman saying sweet dreams, everybody.
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